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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:44:03
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib I would like to thank you jade for your part in keeping this issue current and at the top of the forums...
Its an important issue really. Every so often in Eve online some alliance or another thinks to attack ISD news on the allegation of perceived "bias" its generally always revealed as sour grapes and inability to use the "submit news lead" button correctly.
On this thread we've already seen a senior goon confirming that this current anti ISD campaign is just a organized campaign of wrecking to follow on the from the organized anti-CAOD campaign of the month before.
No mystery here.
it must be pretty awesome to read whatever you want to see from anything that is written down. How did you learn to do such a nifty trick?
edit: but oh wait that is right there are actually quite a few in this thread not from goons and some not even related to goons (which is an accomplishment because apparently they napped all of eve rite?) that are upset over the horrible job that is being done and the lame excuses being given for why it was handled so poorly.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib edit: but oh wait that is right there are actually quite a few in this thread not from goons and some not even related to goons (which is an accomplishment because apparently they napped all of eve rite?) that are upset over the horrible job that is being done and the lame excuses being given for why it was handled so poorly.
You do release that its possible for people to click on your portrait and see your posting history right?
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 01:50:02 you do realize it is possible to talk about more people then ourselves? I mean I know its a stretch for you that there exists a world outside of your ego, but trust me its there.
strangely enough some of them even replied to you in this thread although you promptly ignored them, most likely because they dont fit into your fantasy world....
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib ... although you promptly ignored them.
I've replied where I see fit to do so and make the argument I wanted to make. I tend to ignore irrelevant points and outright incivility. Heh, surely you don't expect a person to reply to every single member of goonswarm - that would be a full time job!
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ChalSto
Gallente LOCKDOWN. Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:57:00 -
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EvE is no petting zoo.
If you are not strong enough, it will eat you alive and kick your butt. Originally by: Agmar ----------------------------------------------- "The North is so ghey that even the NPCs fly ravens." |
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CCP Mitnal
Minmatar C C P
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Posted - 2009.03.19 01:57:00 -
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Cleaned.
Off-topic posts removed.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email |
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:03:00 -
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I was taing more about the completely unrelated to goonswarm posters that have posted upset about the ISD problem and even responded to your threads tearing apart your points.
I could go on but your most recent post hits my point square on the head, you have tunnel vision for goons and getting righteous about ISD's unbiased reporting (which a blind man can see is about as biased as it gets) is your way of keeping up your goon hatred.
I dont know what they did to make you hate them so much, and I dont really care, because that is your problem.
What I do care about is a ccp backed news entity being utilized as a propaganda machine for select groups in game.
the major difference between a news reporting organization and a propaganda machine is that a propaganda machine chooses what to report and what ot supress.
This thread is filled with allegations and some evidence that ISD is in fact a propaganda machine, and the official ISD response to that is that they are understaffed. This response however is about as flacid as it gets, it can maybe explain the lack of news articles over certain time periods, it cannot however explain the content of the stories that are chosen to be reported on when ISD decides to put a piece out there.
Try and write this argument off as a goon offensive on ccp or whatever you think it is, but this is just a statement of facts as I have observed them and apparently others share my analysis of the situation.
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cycosis
Gallente Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:03:00 -
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Edited by: cycosis on 19/03/2009 02:03:31 Does anyone even know how many reporters ISD has? I've only seen a handful of names making reports. I'd imagine keeping tabs on hundreds of alliances would be difficult without news tips being called in.
Tbh, I really just read the news because it's entertaining. I guess I don't see a bias since I'm not on either side of the conflict. Why are people so wound up about this stuff? In the end, it's all "fake" news anyway since it's just internet spaceships.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib Try and write this argument off as a goon offensive on ccp or whatever you think it is ...
Originally by: The Mittani i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~ it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn
Enough said really.
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BobFromBoB
Gallente Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mo adib Try and write this argument off as a goon offensive on ccp or whatever you think it is ...
Originally by: The Mittani i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~ it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn
Enough said really.
I think you post in a vain attempt to convince yourself you matter
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Jacob Majestic
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
ISD don't like canned narratives or closed conclusions. Maybe thats where you are going wrong?
Why look if it isn't Jade ****poster, who can always be counted on to **** up any goon thread.
To determine if you should actually be posting in this thread, please fill out the following questionnaire:
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Are you not so starved for attention that you hitch yourself to any goon bandwagon in some desperate cry for attention? oYES oNO
Is your posting relevant to the topic in question? oYES oNO
Has your alliance been relevant any time within the last 24 months? oYES oNO
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If you can answer YES to at least two out of these three questions, congratulations, you should be posting! However, in your case Jade, sorry, I don't think you qualify. ___
Originally by: steamy thank you Hippoking for doing a Jacob on the goons
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 19/03/2009 02:56:30
ISD has always been a complete joke as an impartial news reporting service. Making excuses about the lack of staff etc to explain their poor coverage of events is absolute rubbish. If you're going to do a job then do it right or don't bother to do it at all.
It's obvious to outsiders such as myself that the news they provide is both selective and biased. You only have to compare the reports with those from other EVE fan sites to see just how skewed their stories are.
The EvE Tribune is just one example of an excellent EvE site that does a far better job of reporting EvE news on a weekly basis. If you really want to know what is happening in EvE then I would encourage you to give it a try. ISD have already proven that they're more interested in attention grabbing headlines than accurate, impartial journalism.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib ... goons, who are putting up a legitimate grievance against ISD.
Originally by: The Mittani i think you may be mistaking the intentional delegitimation of an outlet for whining but w/e nbd~ it happened to caod and now it seems to be isd's turn
Do you understand what is meant by "intentional delegitimation" in this context?
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.19 03:19:00 -
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That one was a little obvious even for you Jade but it did make me smile and you troll with balls I'll give you that As long as I'm stuck reading this thread now the entertainment is appreciated. _
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 03:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mo adib on 19/03/2009 03:40:30 and my response was that just because goons are trying to delegitimize an organization that I have a legitimate grievance with does not mean my grievance is not legitimate, and that goes for all the other non goons and goons that view this as a real grievance.....
infact I might even go so far as to say that it is very acceptable for someone to attempt to show how illegitimate an organization is if they perceive it that way.
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 03:58:00 -
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man this is a great thread
i just want you all to know that mittens as a species have nothing but the highest respect for isd and for clarity brown in particular~~~
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/03/2009 04:06:18
Originally by: Mo adib ... and my response was that just because goons are trying to delegitimize an organization ...
And you think its acceptable for players of an online game to attack the legitimacy of the organizer's official news source and make unfounded accusations of "bias" because that special group of players feel they haven't received enough spontaneous praise?
Really?
Whatever happened to respecting the referee and having a bit of faith in people doing a decent job.
Thus far the CSM has had 18 players who have visited CCP headquarters in Iceland and met these guys face to face and come away with the strong impression that they were doing a good job and were running this game in a fair and balanced fashion.
I've met these people and I'm telling you that things are open and above board and I've told you on this very thread exactly how you can get news pieces published.
And yet you'd still rather believe its all some terrible conspiracy against the goons and yet again you are the slighted party because absolutely everything hasn't gone precisely your own way.
The reality is simply that you haven't submitted your news leads properly. Everyone else in the game has to use this mechanism - just expecting ISD to do the work for you and making goonswarm a special case is your problem not CCP's.
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:10:00 -
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welp
yep thats right put words in my mouth, its ok eventually you will have an argument in this thread that doesnt get shot down.
I am saying if there is a perceived bias or iligitimacy I see nothing wrong with them bringing that to light, I dont think that this company has a history of being innocent of such things and in this case there is evidence to support the accusations which has been responded to with irrelevant facts about them being understaffed, in effect deflecting the accusations.
However seeing as this thread has now reached 8 pages and you are beginning to bore me I think ill call it a day and let others take the torch
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mo adib its ok eventually you will have an argument in this thread that doesnt get shot down.
Well you guys haven't managed it yet
Quote: ... in this case there is evidence to support the accusations ...
Except there isn't.
Quote: However seeing as this thread has now reached 8 pages and you are beginning to bore me I think ill call it a day and let others take the torch
Well, its livened up some long-range hauling for me so you've not entirely wasted your time. ta ta!
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Mo adib
Amarr Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:51:00 -
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the evidence is in this very thread, look hard you may find it.
you are still saying you guys like I am a goon when that is not the case nor has it ever been. but keep trying an ad hominem to get out of this one, maybe it will work sometime.
and just as it has been helping to liven up your hauling trip, it has been helping to ensure that every person on caod reads the first page of this post and about the problems with ISD, most dont make it 5 pages in to read the drible you are spewing.
so o/ \o job well done.
you can shorten your posts alot by just typing TTT though
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 05:07:00 -
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As a totally complete random aside, the EVE Tribune is looking for more reporters--such as, oh, Delve war correspondents--for interviews with alliance directors involved in the conflict, and, as always, for donations.
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Petar Quaresma
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:14:00 -
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I'll report for your dumprag of a news organization so long as you promise not to restrict me artistically. I should be allowed to use any images or language I wish. Speak to me in game if you submit to my demands.
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:27:00 -
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EVE Tribune does deserve a lot of props, it must be said. I'm amazed you guys are still going after all these years considering you come in a little under the radar (or maybe this is actually why you've suceeded). Not every individual article is unbiased but when it comes to breadth of reporting or ability to collect basic facts (without requiring leads) you just plain show ISD Correspondents how it's done.
Honestly I have a lot of sympathy for ISD news because it's never really worked at alliance reporting yet every year or so they try a big reform, recruit some people and tweak the style, but a few months down the line visibly end up lacking manpower again. As I said above I don't think it's riddled with actual BoB members, it just seems to attract people who go all starry eyed when the infamous BoB contacts them and end up getting used. The dilemna for people like me volunteering to be a correspondent is that while we're experienced in 0.0 conflicts and would know how to get to the bottom of a story and cut through the propoganda, we're also very firmly attached to one side of most major conflicts. I couldn't bring myself to write about Ken's achievements but equally I don't want to write biased pro-RAWR/NC material either because it just makes our side look stupid and does nothing to solve ISD news bias. So it's not as simple as "Hey if you don't like it why don't you volunteer".
The people who are untainted by bias, by and large, are that way because they haven't yet immersed themselves in 0.0 politics and hence don't make good reporters either. There are exceptions, EVE Tribune manages to recruit some. I'm sure ISD news manages to recruit the odd decent unbiased reporter once in a while too but somehow fails ever to retain them.
I don't know EVE Tribune's stance on independence and so on but ISD could to a lot worse than just outsourcing their 0.0 reporting to you, or pooling resources and putting your news on the front page. In a similar way to how EVE Radio gets a bit of official endorsement. It'd be a big step in a questionable direction but not completely unprecedented. At least maybe you could try to help them out somehow, if possible without worsening your own manpower issues *shrug* _
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Cal Hydar
Caldari DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:36:00 -
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CAPS SO MAYBE SOMEONE WILL READ THE LINK
Quote: The War so Far
The war began when the CONCORD-registered Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded by a director, Arkannen, who defected to the alliance's enemy, GoonSwarm.
The member corporations of Band of Brothers reformed in KenZoku, previously an industrial alliance for Reikoku-affilliated corporations. Their previous Province and Capital sovereignties in the region were lost, but KenZoku was able to make a territorial sovereignty claim to systems formerly claimed under the Band of Brothers identity.
KenZoku's old enemies - GoonSwarm, Pandemic Legion and the Northern Coalition's RAZOR Alliance and Morsus Mihi - launched a full-scale invasion of the region, intending to conquer it before full sovereignty over the area could be restored.
The forces allied against KenZoku have attempted to confine most of the defender's forces into a Blood Raider Covenant station in PR-8CA and maintain a continual heavy guard in the system, while the rest of the attacking forces focus on removing the defending alliance's control towers.
Meanwhile, KenZoku's allies Against ALL Authorities are attacking the former home territories of GoonSwarm alongside C0ven and Stain Empire. GoonSwarm state that they have abandoned these systems for the time being and, it is claimed, will reconquer them once Delve has fallen.
To date, KenZoku has lost its sovereignty claims in 44 systems, though it then reclaimed two, while sufficient towers have survived to claim Protectorate sovereignty in some 70 systems in Catch, Delve, Querious, Detorid and Period Basis.
Quote: Dining in NOL
In particular, the outpost in NOL-M9 has assumed a symbolic importance in the conflict. It is widely rumoured that Goonswarm once vowed to dine in NOL-M9, the site of Band of Brother's outpost, The Alamo. (Ownership of the outpost passed to KenZoku and is currently with Pandemic Legion, who renamed it "The Lmao.")
XxAngelxX is CEO of The Illuminati, a Pandemic Legion corporation spoke about the conquest:
"We took it the first day that [sovereignty] dropped, then [KenZoku] retook it but we expect to have it back in about a week. We've had more important things to do than NOL-M9 recently.
"Pandemic Legion itself has / is in the process of taking FinFleet's sovereignty 4 constellation. We took the first station today in 5-6QW7. As for other sovereignty 4 constellations, I believe [GoonSwarm] and [the Northern Coalition] are well on their way with those too."
Since this interview, Pandemic Legion has completed both these objectives, holding both NOL-M9 and the 1-A81R constellation. XxAngelxX continued:
"There really has been little resistance. One of the major parts of this has been the 23/7 perma camp in PR-8CA which was well known to be [KenZoku's]... staging [area] and where they told GBC to regroup to, too.
"With their assets and ships locked in station, titans [caged] in their POS and massive issues with security, we haven't really seen much fight from them in the last couple of days. We've destroyed [approximately] 50 large POS in station systems in the last 2 days without resistance.
"At the moment, it's hardly a war. We'll see if [KenZoku] actually have a strategic plan after [Against ALL Authorities] finish with [the] old [GoonSwarm] space, but right now we are taking this space like no-one ever lived in it....the only battles we have had are ganking Shrike, ganking Waagaa's aeon and ganking an [Axiom Empire] aeon last night."
ISD has earned a rep in the past for being bias, but honestly, they have covered this all fairly well. You can't honestly expect ISD to document EVERY POS you take down. They hit the important stuff, so get off their back. -------- sig here |
Cal Hydar
Caldari DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Cal Hydar on 19/03/2009 06:38:06 OSHI-
double post >< -------- sig here |
Jamin Berry
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda...
why yes goonies are terrible at propaganda
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:05:00 -
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Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 19/03/2009 07:06:59 ISD's job is tough because they have to be "official". The Trib has it a lot easier, since if you don't like something we publish or you think it's biased, you can go ahead and write up a response and talk to Mr. M about it and there's a good chance it'll get published and you'll get ISKies for it. So I would give the ISD guys a little slack.
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Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine The fact that the goons are not very good at public relations and propaganda...
How are we bad a public relations when we have 99% of EVE napped?
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cpu939
Gallente OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.03.19 08:45:00 -
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ok i have read all 8 pages and yes its late and i have been up all night (my time is gmt)
option 1 i think the easy way to sort this is to close isd down allow caod to be the place for news. where we the member of this game get to tell the news thus it will not be bias at all.
option 2 i think this would be the hard way, -but for every large event in eve isd to send two reports out one to each side thus it could never be bias as we would have the story from both sides.
btw i like option 2 it could make for some great reading.
lets take number 3 from the ops list (storys are just made up as a guildline and very short)
Goonswarm side Goonswarm and allis have been able to keep the camp of the station in delve for over a month ever since the former alliance know as bob was closed, now from my point of view i don't think bob could undock ships with out lossing them, this is one of the best camps i have scene in the game so far the fleet member know it is a long and dul job but at the same time they know that this will help to win the war
Kenzoku side Kenzoku after being camped in to a station in delve for some time now has take the option to fight back there Fleet commander had them undock in the the warp bubble knowing they could not warp but might be able to do some damage to the hostile fleet. from what i can see they would have great delight in the order to undock as the game is not one of station spinning but of great fights this could be one of the storys to go down in history only time will tell if it was worth the fight.
ok not the best storys ever but you can see how it could work i hope. 01101111 01100110 01100110 01100010 01100101 01100001 01110100 00100000 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 |
Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:40:00 -
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I juzt wanted to post here az I waz flying through space and the waaaaa meter pegged, so I came to check out the source of the problemz. I see many tearz of rage and fruztration. Back to shooting for me, muzt take more ISKz.
MSC eht ot etadidnac P&C suopmoP niatpaC rof etoV |
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