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Viscount Prawn Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:39:00 - [1] Edited by: Viscount Prawn on 23/03/2009 15:39:26 Edited by: Viscount Prawn on 23/03/2009 15:39:06 Originally by: Dianabolic "As an aside, regards the alliance name, BoB was never the original name for our group of corporations... so losing this name isn't the first time we've had to call ourselves something different. Our identity is formed by the people, not by the name." ffffffffffffff http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Band_of_Brothers_Reloaded/corporations New and improved with the addition of periods on either end of the alliance ticker, .BoB. will prove to be The Matrix Reloaded to BoB's The Matrix. edit: url link
Vashan Tar Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:41:00 - [2] We didn't want to be called BoB anywa................oh snap.
Rek Esket Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:42:00 - [3] I'm personally glad to see beaver showing up in 0.0, for too long we've been lacking.
Sir NoPopOllie Minmatar Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:43:00 - [4] You should not trust these imposters!
Imperian Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:45:00 - [5] "As an aside, regards the alliance name, BoB was never the original name for our group of corporations... so losing this name isn't the first time we've had to call ourselves something different. Our idenity is formed by the people, not by the name." RAWR
Tevlent Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:46:00 - [6] We didn't want that name anyway...ohwai
Roland 99 Minmatar Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:46:00 - [7] preferential treatment?!! Well I never!
CDLoon Minmatar Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:46:00 - [8] ITT : CCP shows Alliance bias, Again
Deldrac Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:47:00 - [9] Seriously, I know being known as the sixth most important part of ASSCAKES was embarrassing, but isn't naming your alliance after a goon corp something of an extreme reaction?
CaptainAttitude Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:48:00 - [10]
Yonker Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:48:00 - [11] Originally by: CDLoon ITT : CCP shows Alliance bias, Again qtiyd
Professor Dumbledore Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:50:00 - [12] Originally by: CDLoon ITT : CCP shows Alliance bias, Again
Aiden Tyrik Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Aiden Tyrik on 23/03/2009 15:52:00 Quote: Papa Digger Join Date: Dec 2006 Eve Name(s): Papa Digger Posts: 1,037 ahahaha.. BOBR?!? (in russian BOBR = бобр = beaver) molle had a big brown beaver
Richyp Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:53:00 - [14] Originally by: CDLoon ITT : CCP shows Alliance bias, Again beaver grape
Joker Deville Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:58:00 - [15] Quote: BOBR?!? (in russian BOBR = бобр = beaver) Quote: More, Beaver is an American euphemism for a vagina, so once again we're on the right track lol you **ing people can never catch a break... Band Of Brothers Reloaded? It took you a whole month and something to think of that name? Quote: "As an aside, regards the alliance name, BoB was never the original name for our group of corporations... so losing this name isn't the first time we've had to call ourselves something different. Our identity is formed by the people, not by the name**." Band of Brothers Reloaded > BOBR > Vagina > Hi LadyScarlet
Raging Knight Caldari Judgement.	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:01:00 - [16] periods are the new black
teji Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:03:00 - [17] Originally by: CDLoon ITT : CCP shows Alliance bias, Again amidoingthisright?
Sky Marshal Caldari IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:06:00 - [18] Pfffff mouahahahahaha... Oups sorry. ___________________ EVE "Community" become more like WoW each day, with his fanboy attitude. Simplistic logic, Lazy thinking, No capacity to comprehend same a justified whine...
Lovesync Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:12:00 - [19] Aren't you supposed to drop the alliance and then reform under a different name to get your alliance changed... or what power is at work here???? :tinfoil: ____
Greme Amarr Slacker Industries The Boat Violencing Initiative	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Joker Deville Band of Brothers Reloaded > BOBR > Vagina > Hi LadyScarlet In which case, shouldn't the alliance name be something along the lines of "Zebras in Russia: Band of Brother Reload"?
SpiderWebMayhem Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:18:00 - [21] Hmmm...smells strangely of GM favoritism. Why bother disbanding the alliance to rename (and losing sov in the process) when you can just get your friends at CCP to do it for you. Thanks for being unbiased CCP!
ZombyDog Amarr BigMek Industries GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Lovesync Aren't you supposed to drop the alliance and then reform under a different name to get your alliance changed... or what power is at work here???? :tinfoil: Well CCP's position on renaming has been quite clear in the past, this is certainly a sudden change in policy without any warning. Quote: LadyScarlet > Zombydog why dont you go shadow dbigredboat and be as **** as fcing as you type in local
Rek Esket Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:19:00 - [23] Edited by: Rek Esket on 23/03/2009 16:19:42 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20
Wollari Caldari Phoenix Industries Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:37:00 - [24] lol. Nice one :-) "REPLACE INTO alliances" ftw. I never thought CCP would ever change an alliance name. But somehome my system survived it G. Kinda crazy :-)
Tevlent Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:40:00 - [25] Countdown to Band Of Brothers Unleashed
Hubris Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Rek Esket Edited by: Rek Esket on 23/03/2009 16:19:42 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 T20 Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs Band of Devs -
Momoha Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:42:00 - [27] Isn't this breaking the rules by parodying a pre-existing alliance named "Band of Brothers"?
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:45:00 - [28] break out the t2 tissues. we have hit gooniegold all that emo rage and you cant even defeat bob lite. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Rek Esket Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:46:00 - [29] Originally by: Crimsonjade break out the t2 tissues. we have hit gooniegold all that emo rage and you cant even defeat bob lite. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I wish I could completely ignore reality like you.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:46:00 - [30] Originally by: Crimsonjade break out the t2 tissues. we have hit gooniegold all that emo rage and you cant even defeat bob lite. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You must have missed the part where Goons own Delve~
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:47:00 - [31] hahahahhahahahahahahahahahah cry more goonies
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Crimsonjade break out the t2 tissues. we have hit gooniegold all that emo rage and you cant even defeat bob lite. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You must have missed the part where Goons own Delve~ Yes, but the other day, Beaver doomsdayed us, and saved a tower, and I think they successfully warped battleships out. As you can clearly see, we cannot defeat Beaver.
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:49:00 - [33] Originally by: Sertan Deras Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Crimsonjade break out the t2 tissues. we have hit gooniegold all that emo rage and you cant even defeat bob lite. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You must have missed the part where Goons own Delve~ Yes, but the other day, Beaver doomsdayed us, and saved a tower, and I think they successfully warped battleships out. As you can clearly see, we cannot defeat Beaver. Beaver is more than an alliance, it's an idea~
thelung187 Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:50:00 - [34] Potential future alliance names: Weekend at Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers' Bogus Journey The Neverending Band of Brothers II
Nought Prymary Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:52:00 - [35] Originally by: thelung187 Potential future alliance names: Weekend at Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers' Bogus Journey The Neverending Band of Brothers II You forgot Band of Brothers II Electric Boogaloo
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:52:00 - [36] Originally by: thelung187 Potential future alliance names: Weekend at Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers' Bogus Journey The Neverending Band of Brothers II 2Band 2Brothers
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:53:00 - [37] Now you are in for it goonies with thier name back nothing can stop them now
Richyp Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:53:00 - [38] Originally by: thelung187 Potential future alliance names: Weekend at Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers' Bogus Journey The Neverending Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers: The empire sits back
Talzaris Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:53:00 - [39] Originally by: thelung187 Potential future alliance names: Weekend at Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers' Bogus Journey The Neverending Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers 2: Electric Boogaloo Band of Brotherers
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:54:00 - [40] Originally by: thelung187 Potential future alliance names: Weekend at Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers' Bogus Journey The Neverending Band of Brothers II forgot Band of Brothers II : Around the Universe in 80 days tour pls more emo rage failswarm, it warms my heart almost as much as hate mail
Pedro Sangre Minmatar Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:54:00 - [41] Originally by: thelung187 Potential future alliance names: Weekend at Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers' Bogus Journey The Neverending Band of Brothers II I still know what the band of brothers reloaded last summer
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:55:00 - [42] Edited by: OldPueblo on 23/03/2009 16:55:08 Originally by: destinationZERO hahahahhahahahahahahahahahah cry more goonies What do you expect, this name change has already taken back several station systems in delve and we can do nothing to stop it. This favoritism issue is clearly only a detriment to goons.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:55:00 - [43] Band of Bandwagoning Brothers Band Wagon We don't recruit anyone, go away.
SpiderWebMayhem Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:56:00 - [44] Band of Brothers: The Next Generation
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Snowden Vel Originally by: thelung187 Potential future alliance names: Weekend at Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers' Bogus Journey The Neverending Band of Brothers II 2Band 2Brothers Band of Brothers 2: Band Harder
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:58:00 - [46] moar threads guys, moar threads dont stop the threadnaught It accomplishes things
SpiderWebMayhem Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:58:00 - [47] Originally by: destinationZERO moar threads guys, moar threads dont stop the threadnaught It accomplishes things Much like your posting.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:59:00 - [48] Fast and Furious Banned and Brothers Yeah! We don't recruit anyone, go away.
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:00:00 - [49] Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem Originally by: destinationZERO moar threads guys, moar threads dont stop the threadnaught It accomplishes things Much like your posting. you forgot some good t20 quote, brosef
CDLoon Minmatar Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:00:00 - [50] Originally by: destinationZERO moar threads guys, moar threads dont stop the threadnaught It accomplishes things This post adds value. I endorse smacking this post.
Vladimir Antlerkov Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:01:00 - [51] Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem Band of Brothers: The Next Generation Band of Brothers: The Animated Series
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:01:00 - [52] Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem Originally by: destinationZERO moar threads guys, moar threads dont stop the threadnaught It accomplishes things Much like your posting. you forgot some good t20 quote, brosef don't stop posting never stop posting don't ever stop posting~
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:02:00 - [53] Originally by: destinationZERO moar threads guys, moar threads dont stop the threadnaught It accomplishes things You think this is a threadnought how cute.
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:02:00 - [54] Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem Originally by: destinationZERO moar threads guys, moar threads dont stop the threadnaught It accomplishes things Much like your posting. you forgot some good t20 quote, brosef The Band of the Brothers: Return of the t20
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:03:00 - [55] Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem Originally by: destinationZERO moar threads guys, moar threads dont stop the threadnaught It accomplishes things Much like your posting. you forgot some good t20 quote, brosef So did you apply to Beaver yet or are you doing that later today? I'm sure they'll accept anyone these days. FOFOFOOOO!
Ignition SemperFi Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:04:00 - [56] I still know what Bob Reloaded was named last summer ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Space Vikings
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:05:00 - [57] I, for one, welcome our -RELOADED overlords.
Quake Abuse Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:05:00 - [58] Band of reloaded Brothers: the jarjar chronicles
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:06:00 - [59] Originally by: destinationZERO hahahahhahahahahahahahahahah cry more goonies Useless alt posting make me cry indeed COAD is for morons.......hey...wait a minute 0o !!!
CARY Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:10:00 - [60] They are still kennys to me, just BOB wanna bee's
Virca Tyrik Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:10:00 - [61] 2 Band 2 Brothers
SpiderWebMayhem Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:13:00 - [62] Edited by: SpiderWebMayhem on 23/03/2009 17:13:24 Dr. Molle or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the GMs Lord of the Beavers: The Two Brothers
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:16:00 - [63] Memento. We don't recruit anyone, go away.
Virca Tyrik Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:20:00 - [64] Live Free or Band of Brothers
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:21:00 - [65] According to Dianabolic on Eve Radio, Band of Brothers is a dumb name and one the alliance doesn't even want. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
Scatim Helicon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:21:00 - [66] Originally by: Virca Tyrik 2 Band 2 Brothers 2brothers1band.avi
Virca Tyrik Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:21:00 - [67] The Empire Stroke Back
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:23:00 - [68] Edited by: Proxay on 23/03/2009 17:22:50 Band of Brothers II - Querious of Solace We don't recruit anyone, go away.
Zzelle Caldari Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:23:00 - [69] Originally by: Palmer Eldritch According to Dianabolic on Eve Radio, Band of Brothers is a dumb name and one the alliance doesn't even want. Given this fact, we must wonder if this is actually a case of Dev Griefing. Please, CCP, instruct Internal Affairs to investigate this so that Kenny can have their right name restored to them in the event that this was the work of a rogue bad apple employee,
SpiderWebMayhem Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:23:00 - [70] Originally by: Scatim Helicon Originally by: Virca Tyrik 2 Band 2 Brothers 2brothers1band.avi +rep
Caius Proximus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:25:00 - [71] ~=<{BandofBROtHERS}>~
Exaali Vendraxxil Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:27:00 - [72] Band of Brothers Episode Two: Attack of the Clowns --- 12:35 cflux goonfleet.com is one of the best protected sites in the game, it has "my account is a spy" which I will copy and paste.
Cippalippus Primus Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:27:00 - [73] Rock Band of Brothers Track Pack vol. 2: The Abba Criterion Collection. -clp
Nlewis Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:31:00 - [74] didn't want that name anywa... oh wait
Katsura Kotonoha Caldari Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:32:00 - [75] How does the Beaver rebuild its dam if all the moon wood has been chewed up?
Virca Tyrik Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:32:00 - [76] The Band of the Brothers: volume 2: The Zero Towers
Nlewis Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:34:00 - [77] Edited by: Nlewis on 23/03/2009 17:34:20 band of brothers: re tarded
Forlani Tristania Gallente Feral Tendency	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:36:00 - [78] Saving Band of Brothers The BoB Supremacy Eternal Devhacks of the BoBless Mind
Teclis van'Dreike Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:51:00 - [79] As an aside, regards the alliance name, BoB was never the original name for our group of corporations... so losing this name isn't the first time we've had to call ourselves something different. Our idenity is formed by the people, not by the name. ______________________________________________________ ~Never underestimate the powers of a Dark Clown.
Adamantium Beams Gallente Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:54:00 - [80] I want a molle post
Zenst Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:59:00 - [81] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091859/ Ken, Sue and BOB too Supprised they did a rebranding...again but the reloaded part. C'mon; There are way better sequels in the movie industry you could of snarfed instead of `reloaded`. Reloaded is what somebody does when there OS crash's. As such BSOB would of been more apt Blue Scream Of BOB. Anyhow, sure hides soverenty issues or lack of I suspect.
Vladic Ka Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:04:00 - [82] Originally by: Zenst Linky Ken, Sue and BOB too Supprised they did a rebranding...again but the reloaded part. C'mon; There are way better sequels in the movie industry you could of snarfed instead of `reloaded`. Reloaded is what somebody does when there OS crash's. As such BSOB would of been more apt Blue Scream Of BOB. Anyhow, sure hides soverenty issues or lack of I suspect. fyp
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:10:00 - [83] Does this mean more than 70 ~~BoB~~ ~~Ken~~ .BoB. are going to login now? Didn't think so, try another reload. I assume in the interests of fair play CCP will be allowing any alliance to rename itself whenever it chooses? Captain Thunk
Colonel Xaven Caldari Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:11:00 - [84] Originally by: Virca Tyrik The Band of the Brothers: volume 2: The Zero Towers Priceless. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
SodiumCyanide Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:19:00 - [85] I for one welcome the name change. Nothing motivates our horde like favouritism and whiny babby beaver bob coming out from hiding for a day. Please losers continue, its only making our numbers increase.
Myz Toyou Minmatar Ministry of Destruction SCUM.	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:21:00 - [86] Stuff your Beaver -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature image exceeds the maximum allo
KeratinBoy Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:35:00 - [87] Originally by: Proxay Memento. This post needs more love. Noice.
Zenst Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:44:00 - [88] Actualy thinking about it a few questions have to be asked: 1) The ticker .BoB. -- when did CCP rules allow periods at start of a ticker, what have I missed 2) Renaming chars/alliances - previously I have not been aware of any cases were this has been allowed at all, even when requested with the exception being that the original was offencive. What am I missing here? 3) I do believe the term RELOADED in reference to a sequel is something that is copyrighted by Warner Brothers. Now given that this is a sequel as well then that context is not only the same but with regards to the Matrix movies the original was indeed way better than the sequels in that case as well. So maybe some copyright issues there. But I might be missing something. 4) Given that this `rebranding` has allowed BOB RELOGGING (changed to avoid possible copyright issues) has allowed them to maintain standings and avoid capitals being ejected from friendly pos's, would that in the whole context of game mechanics based upon point (1) be a unfair advantage. I'm sure other aspects would arise like, ew soverenty. Indeed I bet I missed other aspects as well. So given these area's it wouldn;t be hard to grasp why somepeople would wonder if it was some form of favortism; thats without past issues being factored in. Personaly a target is a target and I dont care what name its under its fun. Indeed if I was ofended by any aspect it would be the ticker which in the land of IRC and perverse minds .BoB. Well looks like a over proportioned lady lacking access to a urinal whilst STOP I digress. But anyhow its cool, I can live with it. So with those questions raised I would like to wish BOB RELOGGING the best of luck in there new rebranding and well spotted to the op.
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:48:00 - [89] Originally by: Zenst 4) Given that this `rebranding` has allowed BOB RELOGGING (changed to avoid possible copyright issues) has allowed them to maintain standings and avoid capitals being ejected from friendly pos's, would that in the whole context of game mechanics based upon point (1) be a unfair advantage. I'm sure other aspects would arise like, ew soverenty. Indeed I bet I missed other aspects as well. .BoB. do apparently have a constellation in Querious which has gone Sov3 for them, even though the alliance didn't actually exist until today. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:51:00 - [90] As this is the biggest thing .BoB. has done in the past 6 weeks, shouldn't there be an ISD news item about this by now?
Trepkos Caldari Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:52:00 - [91] Originally by: Zenst I dont care what name its under its fun. Then why the long post? -------- Recruit Me
sakana Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:52:00 - [92] so when are they gonna kick RKK?
Shingen Masaki Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:52:00 - [93] Come gather around me. Space travelers surround me. Hark now to the ballad of Rocket Robin Hood. I may well confound you, astound you, spellbound you, With heroes and villains, the bad and the good. Watch now as our rockets race here from afar. For now, with our Robin, we live on a star. Three. Two. One. Blast off! Band of brothers, marching together. Heads held high in all kinds of weather. With fiery blasts, our roaring rockets rise, Beyond the Earth, beyond the skies! At the sight of Robin, take your stand, With the gallant leader of our band. Send a joyous shout throughout the land! For Rocket Robin Hood!
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:27:00 - [94] The ** is this **?
LadyScarlet Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:39:00 - [95] Thank god someone killed Kenny !!!
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:41:00 - [96] Maybe you can reload to a point before you got so fat
Ayman Zawahiri Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:42:00 - [97] Originally by: LadyScarlet Thank god someone killed Kenny !!! Did you sit on him?
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:42:00 - [98] The funny thing is, CCP could have mitigated some of this criticism if they had just put in some form of mechanism to allow name changes, like a 100 dollar fee or something. Instead they coninute to perpetuate the "CCP favors BOB" meme. They don't think anything through. It's amateur hour all over again.
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:44:00 - [99] Originally by: Amiable Quinn The funny thing is, CCP could have mitigated some of this criticism criticism, from who... you ? I bet they're really concerned.
Ayman Zawahiri Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:46:00 - [100] Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: Amiable Quinn The funny thing is, CCP could have mitigated some of this criticism criticism, from who... you ? I bet they're really concerned. Yah because blatant rule bending favoritism doesn't alienate future paying customers at all..no sirree!
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:47:00 - [101] Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri Yah because blatant rule bending favoritism doesn't alienate future paying customers at all..no sirree! 'Blatant rule bending favoritism' says who.. you ? I bet future paying customers are really concerned.
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:48:00 - [102] Edited by: Amiable Quinn on 23/03/2009 19:49:17 Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: Amiable Quinn The funny thing is, CCP could have mitigated some of this criticism criticism, from who... you ? I bet they're really concerned. They should be, because dollars to donuts this is hitting the gaming press. Need I remind you of the last time CCP was shown to have done in-game favors for BOB. the world outside EvE takes a dim view of developer favoritism. I'm sure the comments on slashdot/tentonhammer/etc... will be illustrative.
Oregon sinful Gallente The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:49:00 - [103] In soviet russia band of brothers reloads you. GG AAA GG, enjoy your new pets.
C4w3 Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:51:00 - [104] Originally by: Oregon sinful In soviet russia band of brothers reloads you. GG AAA GG, enjoy your new pets. Orange counnty Crew Sup? ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:52:00 - [105] but think of the Name Changing Policy! oh, the humanity
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:53:00 - [106] Originally by: Amiable Quinn They should be, because dollars to donuts this is hitting the gaming press. Need I remind you of the last time CCP was shown to have done in-game favors for BOB. the world outside EvE takes a dim view of developer favoritism. THIS IS HITTING THE PRESS ~~~~internet spaceships~~~~~serious biznes~~~~~~
Ayman Zawahiri Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:57:00 - [107] Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri Yah because blatant rule bending favoritism doesn't alienate future paying customers at all..no sirree! 'Blatant rule bending favoritism' says who.. you ? I bet future paying customers are really concerned. A couple articles about CCP breaking their own policies and favoring one alliance would keep people from playing this game. You seem to forget what a sh*t storm Band of Brothers cheating with T20 caused. I wasn't even playing eve at the time but plenty of people heard about that one. Whatever though this will filter through the gaming media sooner or later.
Bobbechk Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:58:00 - [108] Nice beaver ...
C4w3 Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:58:00 - [109] Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri Yah because blatant rule bending favoritism doesn't alienate future paying customers at all..no sirree! 'Blatant rule bending favoritism' says who.. you ? I bet future paying customers are really concerned. A couple articles about CCP breaking their own policies and favoring one alliance would keep people from playing this game. You seem to forget what a sh*t storm Band of Brothers cheating with T20 caused. I wasn't even playing eve at the time but plenty of people heard about that one. Whatever though this will filter through the gaming media sooner or later. NEVER STOP POSTING! ever. ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:59:00 - [110] Originally by: destinationZERO THIS IS HITTING THE PRESS ~~~~internet spaceships~~~~~serious biznes~~~~~~ If you make your living selling internet spaceships to lonely nerds, it is indeed, serius bizness.
C4w3 Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:01:00 - [111] Originally by: Amiable Quinn Originally by: destinationZERO THIS IS HITTING THE PRESS ~~~~internet spaceships~~~~~serious biznes~~~~~~ If you make your living selling internet spaceships to lonely nerds, it is indeed, serius bizness. And when you sell it to intraweb pubbies it¦s even worse! dead serious biznatz ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
WhiteTigersGod Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:01:00 - [112] I am outraged in every way possible about this crap. Band of Brothers Reloaded needs to have all Sov removed and alliance dissolved. Everyone needs to petition this ingame now.
zacuis Gallente Great Big Research	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:01:00 - [113] posting in a mega thread. i left 0.0 warfare a while back during the t20 incident because it was obviouly fixed in bobs favour this is yet more proof. like it was needed.
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:04:00 - [114] The other day, whilst reading version 1.12 of the Name Changing Policy (because we all care about it very much), I noted a typo in section 32.a Needless to say I am cancelling all of my accounts. Disgusting BoB haxsploits.
Ayman Zawahiri Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:05:00 - [115] Originally by: WhiteTigersGod I am outraged in every way possible about this crap. Band of Brothers Reloaded needs to have all Sov removed and alliance dissolved. Everyone needs to petition this ingame now. I agree this would be the only fair solution.
Dalmuti Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:07:00 - [116] Originally by: WhiteTigersGod I am outraged in every way possible about this crap. Band of Brothers Reloaded needs to have all Sov removed and alliance dissolved. Everyone needs to petition this ingame now. another pro post brought to you by battlestars
Gorfob Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:11:00 - [117] sniff Smells of ***got in here. I think it's coming from the direction of Iceland.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:16:00 - [118] An alliance was renamed, clearly EVE is dying and CCP are corrupt. The drama queen reunion fest is that way --->
Requiescat Caldari Celestial Apocalypse death from above..	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:16:00 - [119] Originally by: Raging Knight periods are the new black cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:18:00 - [120] "We have no favoritism towards any alliance or entity in eve" Changes an alliances name for the first time ever in the games history from a name that doesn't violate the EULA by request Isn't practicing favoritism ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:18:00 - [121] I bet it's so that we can't call them ASSCAKE anymore :(
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:27:00 - [122] Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Isn't practicing favoritism End of the world you say?! /o\
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:28:00 - [123] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Isn't practicing favoritism End of the world you say?! /o\ You should work on your reading comprehension a bit. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
Sgmorris Caldari Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:29:00 - [124] CCP bends over to bob once more CCP OPEN WIDE!!! --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- KB LInk http://dynaverse.wardec4tw.com/
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:29:00 - [125] Originally by: EdFromHumanResources You should work on your reading comprehension a bit. I'd rather have another banana.
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:32:00 - [126] Edited by: DaiTengu on 23/03/2009 20:31:51 Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: EdFromHumanResources You should work on your reading comprehension a bit. I'd rather have another banana. How many can you stuff in your beaver?
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:33:00 - [127] Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Isn't practicing favoritism End of the world you say?! /o\ You should work on your reading comprehension a bit. At least his whole life doesn't need an overhaul pays to post on speshul internet forum
Che Kdoud Minmatar Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:33:00 - [128] I can't believe Lady Scarlet beat me to the OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED KENNY! Reference... sigh
Tobruk Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:34:00 - [129] Im still waiting for T 20 to write an ISD article about how important this is. Seriously is CCP even trying to cover this ** up anymore - i mean, if your going to ** us at least have the courtesy to pretend you like us. ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Lord WarATron Amarr Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:35:00 - [130] Cool Raiding -- Billion Isk Mission
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:36:00 - [131] I have to say I'm at a bit of a loss here, I don't know why BoB used the batphone for a rename rather than just reclaiming the name that we've nefariously abused for our own purposes. Come on Dianabolic, get CCP on the horn and get that name back pronto.
Nox'Beldrath Amarr Mayven Omni Gestalt	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:41:00 - [132] There can be only one!!! Band of Brothers: The Quickening ____________ M.O.G. Army
Mik kyo Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:44:00 - [133] Multiple Petitions filed, one for EULA Violation: Impersonation and the other for Dev/GM favouritism. I hope this is swiftly resolved.
Zenst Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:56:00 - [134] Originally by: Lord WarATron Cool Raiding hehe, I found THIS ONE to even funnier.
Shikome Alluin Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:56:00 - [135] Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 23/03/2009 20:56:32 wrong thread - Aloha mr Hand
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Tobruk Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:17:00 - [137] Edited by: Tobruk on 23/03/2009 21:17:40 just found this as i was about to make my own Disband BOBR do your part ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:33:00 - [138] Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 23/03/2009 21:33:27 Let's stop messing around. Names do matter in this game. Your identity and history is an important part of your alliance. Anyone who pretends they're not is trolling. BoB lost their name and identity when one of their own directors used the game mechanics, in-game, in the way the game is designed. CCP gave the name back to them in a display of favouritsm unlike anything they've shown to any other alliance in the past, except for BoB. Because it's not the first time CCP have shown favouritsm to BoB. So let's never hear BoB pretend again that they've achieved anything without special help from the devs. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
Krychton Amarr Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:49:00 - [139] HAHAHA You guys beat BoB/Ken/Whatever da **** out of delve and you still come on here riding their c@ck.
gnshadowninja Caldari Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:56:00 - [140] BOB say that having there alliance disbanded was a poor game mechanic, but how is getting there name changed without Sov loss or any sort of downfall (offices, sov, reforming) a poor game mechanic? Its down right cheating and if it was done by a BOB member, then fair enough, but this has been done by CCP themselves which makes me question what type of corperation they are. This puts a bad name under CCP as they provoke cheating to keep the money flowing in. For instance : Alt macro miners - No problem Multiple Macro ratters ive petitioned - No problem Changing BOBs name and acting against there own rules - No Problem But wait, they do some good... Or not... Reactor POS Cheating - No problem till mass information comes out about it. Expolits - Were fix them later... Farmers - No issues here, they provide us with money. Seriously, any form of cheating etc.. done by anyone other than BOB gets screwed over. If its BOB they turn a blind eye. Don't worry, the petitions sent ill get a reply saying "Were working on it" or the main answer to every petition anyones had. "Hi, Thanks for letting me know I will investigate the problem and take the appropriate action." Thank you, Ninja
Anders Kraneled Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:56:00 - [141] Originally by: Krychton HAHAHA You guys beat BoB/Ken/Whatever da **** out of delve and you still come on here riding their c@ck. I've got no idea what this means, but I'm sure it's moronic.
Julian Shran Amarr Elderan Navy SOLAR WING	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:57:00 - [142] Originally by: Tobruk Edited by: Tobruk on 23/03/2009 21:17:40 just found this as i was about to make my own Disband BOBR do your part Don't want to let this fall too far into the thread. Yarr!! (and yes I DO like my hat :P... )
Krychton Amarr Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:58:00 - [143] Originally by: Anders Kraneled Originally by: Krychton HAHAHA You guys beat BoB/Ken/Whatever da **** out of delve and you still come on here riding their c@ck. I've got no idea what this means, but I'm sure it's moronic. Not surprised. Fear of being too graphic, allow me to explain. Your Vagina, their d1ck.
Lee Bian Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:01:00 - [144] it's kind of fitting how they returned to the bob name by cheating, since you know, that's the one thing bob is famous for
Janitor I Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:05:00 - [145] This is Ridiculous CCP :\
Eleri Bree Gallente Purify United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:07:00 - [146] This thread delivers 10/10.
Anders Kraneled Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:11:00 - [147] Originally by: Krychton Originally by: Anders Kraneled Originally by: Krychton HAHAHA You guys beat BoB/Ken/Whatever da **** out of delve and you still come on here riding their c@ck. I've got no idea what this means, but I'm sure it's moronic. Not surprised. Fear of being too graphic, allow me to explain. Your Vagina, their d1ck. Yeah I'm still not following you here.
Aiden Tyrik Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:11:00 - [148] Originally by: Anders Kraneled Originally by: Krychton HAHAHA You guys beat BoB/Ken/Whatever da **** out of delve and you still come on here riding their c@ck. I've got no idea what this means, but I'm sure it's moronic. what a surprise you were right!
gnshadowninja Caldari Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:20:00 - [149] Also im glad from an old post about the t20 that this matter will be sorted fast. "Last summer, CCP implemented stricter monitoring procedures and audits on all CCP employeesÆ EVE accounts. We are confident that our rigid procedures and protocol will prevent any misconduct or, at least, allow us to quickly discover it, should such an unfortunate scenario arise."
BBQ Organizer Minmatar Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:21:00 - [150] This is petitionable for impersonation right?
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:30:00 - [151] Originally by: gnshadowninja Also im glad from an old post about the t20 that this matter will be sorted fast. "Last summer, CCP implemented stricter monitoring procedures and audits on all CCP employeesÆ EVE accounts. We are confident that our rigid procedures and protocol will prevent any misconduct or, at least, allow us to quickly discover it, should such an unfortunate scenario arise." The misconduct. Show it to me. oh wait, ~~~~SOT~~~~~
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:47:00 - [152] This is the most outrageous, dispicable example of CCP misconduct I have EVER witnessed. We, the loyal players, who pay our subscriptions, are seeing the sacred Name Change Policy handbook torn up in front of our eyes. That policy document was our rock, our saviour, our bible. I feel violated, and I fully support involving the Icelandic police authorities in initiating a full and transparent investigation into this serious, serious matter.
gnshadowninja Caldari Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:49:00 - [153] Edited by: gnshadowninja on 23/03/2009 22:49:03 Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: gnshadowninja Also im glad from an old post about the t20 that this matter will be sorted fast. "Last summer, CCP implemented stricter monitoring procedures and audits on all CCP employeesÆ EVE accounts. We are confident that our rigid procedures and protocol will prevent any misconduct or, at least, allow us to quickly discover it, should such an unfortunate scenario arise." The misconduct. Show it to me. oh wait, ~~~~SOT~~~~~ What you mean by that?
Dumah Tace Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:55:00 - [154] I'm getting my name changed to Dumbah Face.Reloaded, since name changes are ok if they contain RELOADED in them.
Nethras Minmatar Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:00:00 - [155] I'm hoping that this will turn out to be the resolution of the original petitions filed over the disbanding, and that most of the delay was CCP making decisions. Asking to be allowed to change the name of a temporary alliance at a later date if CCP decided not to reinstate the alliance BoB seems a relatively natural thing to at least ask for, since it can be argued that BoB wasn't left with time to meet to pick a name, as CCP's bad interface allowed their former alliance to go poof without warning, and they needed sov. Whether this is indeed what happened, and whether or not CCP should have granted such a request, is another matter of course. As there has been a sov reset involved, if this was a result of petitions from that time it doesn't seem that unreasonable, if a bit slow on someone's part. Why they could do this with an alliance that wasn't specifically made for the purpose is another puzzle, but again, may have been seen as a reasonable request by CCP that would give them time to decide on their course of action. Why either this new alliance name, or the goon corp name, are not an impersonation of the other is a bit strange, but I really can't be arsed to look up the details of CCP's policy, and I don't know what line they've drawn in the past on what is and isn't impersonation. Ironically, if this was part of petitions that old, CCP is probably frantically trying to figure out how to explain what happened without violating their own policies regarding not posting information about petitions and other GM interactions that have occurred. Oh, and has anyone checked to see if the option to disband an alliance without a vote is still present in the new version of EVE? If CCP deemed that to need changing but the disbanding as a legitimate use of game mechanics at the time, that would partially explain any treatment of this as an isolated incident, but I'd expect that particular option to be removed in the near future if it isn't already... While this does pretty clearly call for a clarification of current name change policies in light of, well, a name change, comparing this to illegitimate T2 BPOs is a bit much really /end-wall-of-text Now resuming your regularly scheduled baby threadnaught of trolling...
Tobruk Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:06:00 - [156] C C P THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING get your **** straight and fix this ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:23:00 - [157] Originally by: Imperian "As an aside, regards the alliance name, BoB was never the original name for our group of corporations... so losing this name isn't the first time we've had to call ourselves something different. Our idenity is formed by the people, not by the name." just quoting this for page six
Mar'jun Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:25:00 - [158] Edited by: Mar''jun on 23/03/2009 23:24:59 "Band of Brothers Reloaded" is 25 characters long. As per the EVE Online Naming Policy: 2. CHARACTER NAMES * a. Valid player character names: o Must be at least 4 characters. o Cannot exceed 24 characters. 4. Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies. As annotated by Karina Bellac in this link. Therefore, the name is in violation.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:25:00 - [159] I want a batphone.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:26:00 - [160] Originally by: Mar'jun Edited by: Mar''jun on 23/03/2009 23:24:59 "Band of Brothers Reloaded" is 25 characters long. As per the EVE Online Naming Policy: 2. CHARACTER NAMES * a. Valid player character names: o Must be at least 4 characters. o Cannot exceed 24 characters. 4. Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies. As annotated by Karina Bellac in this link. Therefore, the name is in violation. they redrew the rules because BoBR (which apparently translates to "beaver" in Russian), cried enough and got their way. Again.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:28:00 - [161] rabble rabble rabble
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:39:00 - [162] This is certainly odd. In the 2 years I have done the EVE map, I've never seen anyone (well, at least none of the established alliances) get a name change. Nor is it consistent with the name system as described with the game's (lack of) documentation - I don't even have a routine in the map code to check for changed names, since it's not supposed to happen. I'd like to hear an explanation on why this is, since it's so far out of the ordinary, but I don't suspect we'll get one. I'll go fix the map for tomorrow. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:40:00 - [163] laughs at pathetic people whining and crying over a bloody NAME! god get a life! Trinity Corporate Services
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:41:00 - [164] Originally by: Verite Rendition This is certainly odd. In the 2 years I have done the EVE map, I've never seen anyone (well, at least none of the established alliances) get a name change. Nor is it consistent with the name system as described with the game's (lack of) documentation - I don't even have a routine in the map code to check for changed names, since it's not supposed to happen. I'd like to hear an explanation on why this is, since it's so far out of the ordinary, but I don't suspect we'll get one. I'll go fix the map for tomorrow. Dude, don't bother! Who knows what will be the next fix the day after tomorrow.
Erik Killson Caldari Killson Corp	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:52:00 - [165] Originally by: destinationZERO Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri Yah because blatant rule bending favoritism doesn't alienate future paying customers at all..no sirree! 'Blatant rule bending favoritism' says who.. you ? I bet future paying customers are really concerned. Well i am a future paying customer and i am concerned as are many of my friends. It truly seems like a certain alliance seem to have different rules than everyone else has ! CCP can you explain why this is so. It may only be a change of name but along with that comes questions about sovereignty and should they keep any if indeed they have any left. If this had been a one off then sure why all the fuss but it isn't. Please CCP do explain to us what happened ?
Mestoth Minmatar Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:53:00 - [166] Originally by: Nethras I'm hoping that this will turn out to be the resolution of the original petitions filed over the disbanding, and that most of the delay was CCP making decisions. Asking to be allowed to change the name of a temporary alliance at a later date if CCP decided not to reinstate the alliance BoB seems a relatively natural thing to at least ask for, since it can be argued that BoB wasn't left with time to meet to pick a name, as CCP's bad interface allowed their former alliance to go poof without warning, and they needed sov. The disbanding was done legitimatly, despite the...questionable nature of the mechanics. Secondly, they CHOSE kenzuko as a name so as to save themselves 1B isk in the reforming of the name. They also waited 48 HOURS+ after the disbanding for people to join Kenzuko. Their SOV was already set @ 0. The objection is not so much that they had a name change, but that it was done so they didnt loose the Sov that they have already developed. If they had name changed through ingame mechanchs, that would have happened. Instead, t20* cough CCP* have again showed the influence that is held by some members of the community. They had the time. Oh and the names 25 characthers long. again.
Lysander Kaldenn Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:01:00 - [167] Never go full re tard CCP.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:01:00 - [168] Originally by: O Thief This is the most outrageous, dispicable example of CCP misconduct I have EVER witnessed. We, the loyal players, who pay our subscriptions, are seeing the sacred Name Change Policy handbook torn up in front of our eyes. That policy document was our rock, our saviour, our bible. I feel violated, and I fully support involving the Icelandic police authorities in initiating a full and transparent investigation into this serious, serious matter. For someone who has been vehemently claiming he doesn't care all day, you sure post a bunch in these threads~
Baby Dawl Caldari JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:02:00 - [169] Alliance names can be more then 24 characters. Look up such alliances as: Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate created 2007.06.29 Allied German Research Organization create 2008.10.03 Amarrian Heavy Industries Megacorp created 2008.11.15 And those were just ones I found in the 'A' section. Obviously, Alliances have been using more then 24 characters for years now. =) This is all very interesting, but I'd rather view battle reports, and engagement details, then listen to useless whining.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:03:00 - [170] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Crimsonjade break out the t2 tissues. we have hit gooniegold all that emo rage and you cant even defeat bob lite. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You must have missed the part where Goons own Delve~ boooooooooooooooooooooossssssshhhhhhhhh
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:04:00 - [171] Edited by: Jack Gates on 24/03/2009 00:05:24 Originally by: Baby Dawl Alliance names can be more then 24 characters. Look up such alliances as: Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate created 2007.06.29 Allied German Research Organization create 2008.10.03 Amarrian Heavy Industries Megacorp created 2008.11.15 And those were just ones I found in the 'A' section. Obviously, Alliances have been using more then 24 characters for years now. =) This is all very interesting, but I'd rather view battle reports, and engagement details, then listen to useless whining. you don't seem to "get" what's going on here Originally by: northwesten laughs at pathetic people whining and crying over a bloody NAME! god get a life! look how dumb you are
Souexie Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:09:00 - [172] I can't say I'm even slightly surprised by this or CCPs lack of any kind of response. Shame we still have delve though. And our dignity.
Tellenta Gallente Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:14:00 - [173] Originally by: northwesten laughs at pathetic people whining and crying over a bloody NAME! god get a life! This is goons and NC we are talking about. Taking all those systems was taking a toll on them, now they have something to complain bobh4x about and they are now happy as clams. Now all they need is afew one sided losses (may have happened not sure as I don't pay attention) and they can start making 'not fair' and 'omghax' and maybe 1 or 2 'me and my 213 alts are quitting' posts. Whe that happens equilibrium has returned.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:17:00 - [174] Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: northwesten laughs at pathetic people whining and crying over a bloody NAME! god get a life! This is goons and NC we are talking about. Taking all those systems was taking a toll on them, now they have something to complain bobh4x about and they are now happy as clams. Now all they need is afew one sided losses (may have happened not sure as I don't pay attention) and they can start making 'not fair' and 'omghax' and maybe 1 or 2 'me and my 213 alts are quitting' posts. Whe that happens equilibrium has returned. You haven't been playing this game for very long, have you
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:25:00 - [175] Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: northwesten laughs at pathetic people whining and crying over a bloody NAME! god get a life! This is goons and NC we are talking about. Taking all those systems was taking a toll on them, now they have something to complain bobh4x about and they are now happy as clams. Now all they need is afew one sided losses (may have happened not sure as I don't pay attention) and they can start making 'not fair' and 'omghax' and maybe 1 or 2 'me and my 213 alts are quitting' posts. Whe that happens equilibrium has returned. ~I remember when Invicta. was good~
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:26:00 - [176] Well, Rather than crying about this all over the forums, I have done what was clearly the most obvious solution: I have petitioned to change my alt's name, because I never really liked it anyway. It is apparent that CCP have changed their policy on name changes without telling anyone, so I suggest you take advantage of this opportunity at once! If you have a character whose name starts with A or Z, or if you bought a char with a dumb name, or even made a char with a dumb name that you now wish you could change, I encourage you to file a formal in-game petition to have it changed now, before CCP reverses their decision that name changes can happen. This is not a loss, but a gain for us all! Especially those poor souls who wound up with hclchicken, or dungar's old accounts.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:27:00 - [177] Originally by: Tellenta Now all they need is afew one sided losses (may have happened not sure as I don't pay attention) and they can start making 'not fair' and 'omghax' and maybe 1 or 2 'me and my 213 alts are quitting' posts. Whe that happens equilibrium has returned. They should have spent time thinking about new tactics instead of new names, and yes there was a one sided fight in 49- Just not the kind Kenbobby would like to remember Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:51:00 - [178] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 24/03/2009 00:54:40 hahaha This is lame. edit - now GS need only to put more Band of Brother corp and Alliance in the game to make fun of them. You don't need names guys. You need space, skills and will. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) > soon(tm) \o/
Gramtar Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:52:00 - [179] Originally by: Verite Rendition This is certainly odd. In the 2 years I have done the EVE map, I've never seen anyone (well, at least none of the established alliances) get a name change. Nor is it consistent with the name system as described with the game's (lack of) documentation - I don't even have a routine in the map code to check for changed names, since it's not supposed to happen. I'd like to hear an explanation on why this is, since it's so far out of the ordinary, but I don't suspect we'll get one. I'll go fix the map for tomorrow. Shouldn't be too hard. It's not like they really control any space at the moment.
Smatchimo Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:00:00 - [180] Originally by: Nethras Oh, and has anyone checked to see if the option to disband an alliance without a vote is still present in the new version of EVE? In a normal corp it would have been put to the vote, but SirLolle deleted all shares from Tinfoil specifically to avoid the 24 hour wait on votes. "BOB" did it to themselves, much like their horrible diplomacy and recruitment policies.
Sanka Cofie Amarr Fractured Core Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:11:00 - [181] I have it on good authority that the reason the name was changed was due to a legal notice received from Kenzoku Steak & Seafood in Irving Texas, complaining about the misuse of their copyright. Thus CCP was forced to change the name to comply with their rules prohibiting copyrighted names. And you guys thought it was something nefarious.... you silly geese. -~-~-~- Vote Pompous for CSM!
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:16:00 - [182] Originally by: Smatchimo In a normal corp it would have been put to the vote, but SirLolle deleted all shares from Tinfoil specifically to avoid the 24 hour wait on votes. "BOB" did it to themselves, much like their horrible diplomacy and recruitment policies. This needed to be posted in the thread jade constantwhine was ****ting up, but CCP Mitnal just locked it. tldr; JC _still_ claims that this was an exploit and not the result of poor Executor Corp management.
Shinma Apollo Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:23:00 - [183] ASSCAB-E? still has a ring. Still, I'd love to just go to Shinma, or Shinma Reloaded.
Kalie Erry Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:28:00 - [184] Originally by: Smatchimo Originally by: Nethras Oh, and has anyone checked to see if the option to disband an alliance without a vote is still present in the new version of EVE? In a normal corp it would have been put to the vote, but SirLolle deleted all shares from Tinfoil specifically to avoid the 24 hour wait on votes. "BOB" did it to themselves, much like their horrible diplomacy and recruitment policies. Quoting this. The former Band of Brothers leader wanted to make certain things in the executor corporation easier and faster to do. Unfortunately for him and his allies, this also included the ability to kick out everyone in the alliance. Jade loves to ignore this detail.
Hubris Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:30:00 - [185] Originally by: Kalie Erry The former Band of Brothers leader wanted to make certain things in the executor corporation easier and faster to do. Unfortunately for him and his allies, this also included the ability to kick out everyone in the alliance. Jade loves to ignore this detail. jade refusing to acknowledge the details. Say it isn't so........ -
DHB WildCat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:34:00 - [186] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 24/03/2009 01:34:55 Please remember that this is coming from me! Goons and some posts from goon pets, and allies are getting rediculous. You guys pulled one of the most BS move of all time. Now BoB is BoB again and you are crying like the game is now over, and BoB wins! All that happened was BoB has a more appropriate name again. The devs didnt role back the server, by which most of eve wouldnt have minded, or probably would have preferred! The crying is out of character for the goon allies. Who are looking like the backseat in all this even though they are doing the heaving lifting in the fighting. Slow down the smack and the whining, even I know where the line is and you are all crossing it!.. Calm DOWN! WildCat
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:35:00 - [187] Originally by: Hubris jade refusing to acknowledge the details. Say it isn't so........ I only hope that enough non-BoB, non-Goon players see the tripe that (s)he posts for the self-serving, self-contradictory BS it really is, before this year's round of CSM voting occurs. I'd hate to think that anyone who isn't roleplaying a transgendered space prostitute identifies with him/her/it.
Marco Ragnos Caldari eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 - [188] oh noes bob change their name-----ommmgggg its the end of the eve world as we know it, i cant possibly imagine the impact this horrific act... who cares. I guarantee the same thing would happen to other game making alliances under same circumstances (MM, Rzr...etc) and if you dont agree, okay.
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:38:00 - [189] Edited by: Gail Sohmbadi on 24/03/2009 01:38:52 Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 24/03/2009 01:34:55 Please remember that this is coming from me! Goons and some posts from goon pets, and allies are getting rediculous. You guys pulled one of the most BS move of all time. Now BoB is BoB again and you are crying like the game is now over, and BoB wins! All that happened was BoB has a more appropriate name again. The devs didnt role back the server, by which most of eve wouldnt have minded, or probably would have preferred! The crying is out of character for the goon allies. Who are looking like the backseat in all this even though they are doing the heaving lifting in the fighting. Slow down the smack and the whining, even I know where the line is and you are all crossing it!.. Calm DOWN! WildCat You overlook the facts that a) We disbanded BoB using established game mechanics, and b) have no objection to BoB renaming themselves via the same established game mechanics. The issue at hand is that in this case, BoB did not use established game mechanics to rename thier alliance. They quite obviously had someone with access to the game databases rename their alliance, despite literally YEARS of examples of this not being allowed by CCP.
Heinz Rand Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:40:00 - [190] Originally by: northwesten laughs at pathetic people whining and crying over a bloody NAME! god get a life! Yeah, it's a good thing an alliance name is not tied to station ownership, corp membership, sov in 0.0 systems, pos ownership, standings or anything really.
gnshadowninja Caldari Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:41:00 - [191] Just checked, They been renamed back LOL
teji Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:43:00 - [192] Originally by: gnshadowninja Just checked, They been renamed back LOL clear your cache
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:45:00 - [193] Edited by: Dianeces on 24/03/2009 01:46:10 Disregard, I suck ****s~
Hubris Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:46:00 - [194] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 24/03/2009 01:34:55 Please remember that this is coming from me! Goons and some posts from goon pets, and allies are getting rediculous. You guys pulled one of the most BS move of all time. Now BoB is BoB again and you are crying like the game is now over, and BoB wins! All that happened was BoB has a more appropriate name again. The devs didnt role back the server, by which most of eve wouldnt have minded, or probably would have preferred! The crying is out of character for the goon allies. Who are looking like the backseat in all this even though they are doing the heaving lifting in the fighting. Slow down the smack and the whining, even I know where the line is and you are all crossing it!.. Calm DOWN! WildCat DHB, read above how sirmolle caused the situation to begin with. Hint no shares so votes happen faster. it was his own fault, the safeguards were removed. SO your original statement is completely false no matter how much you want to deny it. Furthermore, , if bob would have changed to this instead of kenny i would have only asked why they were able to have 25 characters instead of 24. Not very often a rule since eve started gets changed. DO you understand its not mainly about the hate, but about rules just not applying to a specific group, yet again. and that bit about "please remeber its coming from me" pompous much? -
CobraStylez Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:47:00 - [195] Shouldn't it be "Band of Brothers: Relocated"? ballz
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:56:00 - [196] Originally by: teji Originally by: gnshadowninja Just checked, They been renamed back LOL clear your cache I just cleared my cache, and the new alliance name is indeed KenZoku, but they managed to "overlook" changing the ticker. Also, EVE appears to sometimes not know who the executor corp is.
Berious Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:56:00 - [197] Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi The issue at hand is that in this case, BoB did not use established game mechanics to rename thier alliance. They quite obviously had someone with access to the game databases rename their alliance, despite literally YEARS of examples of this not being allowed by CCP. You also have to wonder if they're getting other less visible database tweaks from a pet GM.
Stretchmeat Crotchquake Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:57:00 - [198] Originally by: DHB WildCat You guys pulled one of the most BS move of all time. With outpost spamming being a close second.
Interconnector Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:59:00 - [199] As ridiculous as this is I am perfectly happy with them having such a stupid name that just put the embarrassing losses of the past month or so permanently into the name of their alliance. Years from now when everyone playing now is gone the scab will be re-picked on a daily basis every time someone wonders why that low sec alliance has such a ******ed name.
Vasili Z Minmatar Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:09:00 - [200] Originally by: CobraStylez Shouldn't it be "Band of Brothers: Relocated"? hahaha donked ------- Eve requires no skill anymore
Connen Gallente 4 wing Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:18:00 - [201] The hate in this thread is palpable, just a reminder to Goons+friends+Eve community that regardless of alleged BOBHAX you are still wtfpwning them in space - so I think you can hold off the emorage sauce for a couple more days till we figure out what is going on. Then if we get a BS answer, I'll personally FEDEX RedBull EmoRage Sauce to everyone of you, then we can go BBQ and make some Emo Rage Burgers!
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:20:00 - [202] Edited by: Gail Sohmbadi on 24/03/2009 02:20:24 Originally by: Berious You also have to wonder if they're getting other less visible database tweaks from a pet GM. quoting this because I am down. quoting this for truth.
KeratinBoy Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:33:00 - [203] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 24/03/2009 01:34:55 Please remember that this is coming from me! WildCat Why, who do you account share with?
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:38:00 - [204] So they changed a ****ed alliance name to another more ****ed alliance name :awesome: Only Metallica is allowed to make "Reloaded" things .
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:41:00 - [205] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel So they changed a ****ed alliance name to another more ****ed alliance name :awesome: Only Metallica is allowed to make "Reloaded" things . If I had a GM in _MY_ back pocket, I would totally change BoB's new name to "Band of Brothers: Retar ded" (less the space, of course)
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:46:00 - [206] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 24/03/2009 01:34:55 Please remember that this is coming from me! Goons and some posts from goon pets, and allies are getting rediculous. You guys pulled one of the most BS move of all time. Now BoB is BoB again and you are crying like the game is now over, and BoB wins! All that happened was BoB has a more appropriate name again. The devs didnt role back the server, by which most of eve wouldnt have minded, or probably would have preferred! The crying is out of character for the goon allies. Who are looking like the backseat in all this even though they are doing the heaving lifting in the fighting. Slow down the smack and the whining, even I know where the line is and you are all crossing it!.. Calm DOWN! WildCat Do you make your text orange so that people will actually look at this idiotic gibberish? Do you understand what preferential treatment is and means in a game like this? It's not about goons, it's about everyone who plays this game.
Garbie Caldari Woopatang Primary.	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:53:00 - [207] if ccp did give any form of special treatment to bob on the alliance name front.. big deal.. if they gave special treatment on the sov front... what the heck is that? we cant get ships reimbursed from obvious game server issues and gm's that are scripted to deny any reimbursement without giving a valid reason other then they see nothing in their logs. yet the rumor ive heard is bob gets a name change and keeps their sov held. dont get me wrong i like bob more than goons but if theres any truth to the rumor i heard .... meh... ccp give us little guys a chance dammit
Ironnight Caldari x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 03:02:00 - [208] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel So they changed a ****ed alliance name to another more **ed alliance name :awesome: Only Metallica is allowed to make "Reloaded" things . Metallica couldnt pull it off, lets see if CCP will cave to whineswarm and stop bob as well. They're like 'oh ** son, its a trap Doomsday
Pnuka Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 03:05:00 - [209] Originally by: Ironnight Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel So they changed a ****ed alliance name to another more ****ed alliance name :awesome: Only Metallica is allowed to make "Reloaded" things . Metallica couldnt pull it off, lets see if CCP will cave to whineswarm and stop bob as well. The fact you aren't even sure what CCP is going to do only reinforces our point hth.
Challic Minmatar Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 03:06:00 - [210] Originally by: Ironnight Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel So they changed a ****ed alliance name to another more ****ed alliance name :awesome: Only Metallica is allowed to make "Reloaded" things . Metallica couldnt pull it off, lets see if CCP will cave to whineswarm and stop bob as well. Wow....you really believe what you are saying. I'm sorry for you. Here is a quote that should cheer you up...I hear he may or may not be a friend of BoB's [15:21:44] GM Dionysus > Boom Boom in the Champagne room?
AlpiNeStaRs Amarr Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 03:30:00 - [211] I, too, would like a name change.
Momoha Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 04:00:00 - [212] Can I get my alliance's name changed to Goondongs?
KaiH Gallente Club Bear Turbo.	Posted - 2009.03.24 04:41:00 - [213] Originally by: CobraStylez Shouldn't it be "Band of Brothers: Relocated"? oh damn, gg nextmap
Aurvundill Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 04:47:00 - [214] Uh oh! Let this image be a reminder to the follies of KenZoku/Fat Bob.
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 04:57:00 - [215] Yo CCP, :MAD PROPS: for going down this road again.
Don Alejando Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:09:00 - [216] /emote waves his new alliance name and tag in the face of emo-kids.
Treylis Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:14:00 - [217] Originally by: Don Alejando /emote waves his new alliance name and tag in the face of emo-kids. So how's holding no outposts anymore working out for you guys?
Raivin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:14:00 - [218] Originally by: Don Alejando /emote waves his new alliance name and tag in the face of emo-kids. It's nice to have something you can treat like a win after weeks of failure, isn't it?
Zemi Dahut Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:18:00 - [219] Originally by: Don Alejando /emote waves his new alliance name and tag in the face of emo-kids. How is it knowing that anything you've ever accomplished in this game has been because of Dev intervention, and you still don't own any stations?
Don Alejando Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:21:00 - [220] keep it comming! I'm laugning my ass of here
Venetian Tar Caldari Violation of Freedom Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:25:00 - [221] Lol. So what's this thread about?
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:26:00 - [222] Originally by: Don Alejando keep it comming! I'm laugning my ass of here What you have thus far failed to notice, is that we are laughing too. (at you.)
Aurvundill Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:27:00 - [223] Originally by: Don Alejando keep it comming! I'm laugning my ass of here This is just sad. Acting big and bad in your homeless spacebox out there under a gateway.
Morning Mist Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:28:00 - [224] Originally by: Don Alejando keep it comming! I'm laugning my ass of here Me too, as I rat in our space
Zzelle Caldari Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:35:00 - [225] Originally by: Don Alejando keep it comming! I'm laugning my ass of here Your spelling is as perplexing as your sense of humor. I do agree that it's pretty funny that the big IN YOUR FACE accomplishment of Kenny (Bob? Beaver? who can keep track anymore) is to get their name changed again. Truly you control our game!
Cordova85 Gallente Tactical Combat Systems	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:41:00 - [226] Edited by: Cordova85 on 24/03/2009 05:41:46 So does BoBR have GM's in their Corp or something, why was this allowed? Sorry noob to this game.
Straightoutacompton Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:42:00 - [227] O SHI- Full stops at the beginning and end of their ticker LOOK THE FRACK OUT!
Warrio Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.24 05:52:00 - [228] Edited by: Warrio on 24/03/2009 05:55:33 Originally by: Cordova85 Edited by: Cordova85 on 24/03/2009 05:41:46 So does BoBR have GM's in their Corp or something, why was this allowed? Sorry noob to this game. CCP considers BoB an 'institution' but knows that they can't function without serious and constant intervention. I'm just surprised they did it publicly rather than continue feeding them resources as they are proved to have done on many occasions. "YOU DON'T CONTROL OUR GAME STUPID GOONS!!" "We were totally going to change our name to Beaver anyway." sXe
Spiffy Sunkist Gallente Malevolent Evolution The Church.	Posted - 2009.03.24 06:18:00 - [229] HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH They got their name back kinda. You still have their region. Your still whining. You Attention*****s your like i dunno worse than Bush^^
Cannibal Corpze Amarr Urkrathos Corp	Posted - 2009.03.24 06:25:00 - [230] Originally by: thelung187 Potential future alliance names: Weekend at Band of Brothers II Band of Brothers' Bogus Journey The Neverending Band of Brothers II Land Before BoB? Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 06:29:00 - [231] Originally by: Spiffy Sunkist HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH They got their name back kinda. You still have their region. Your still whining. You Attention*****s your like i dunno worse than Bush^^ i guess posters with .periods. in their alliance names/tickers gotta stick together~
GenrlBaconbits Caldari Southern Cross Empire	Posted - 2009.03.24 06:58:00 - [232] Originally by: Deldrac Seriously, I know being known as the sixth most important part of ASSCAKES was embarrassing, but isn't naming your alliance after a goon corp something of an extreme reaction? isnt being a goon somthing of an extreme reaction? OOH I GOT YA!! and honestly...goons can stop playing eve tomorow and i would be happy...i have an honest hatred of goons, and their allys. just if ya dont know...any remarks by soons are now ignored... War is not about fighting, when someone wins a war they acomplish their first goal weither it be gaining money, making the enemy go into a depression, or just killing a national leader. wars are not a
Nigel Sheldon Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:07:00 - [233] Close Encounters of the BOB kind
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:10:00 - [234] Originally by: GenrlBaconbits War is not about fighting, when someone wins a war they acomplish their first goal weither it be gaining money, making the enemy go into a depression, or just killing a national leader. wars are not a quoting because your sig is hilariously broken
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:10:00 - [235] Originally by: Jack Gates Edited by: Jack Gates on 24/03/2009 02:46:43 Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 24/03/2009 01:34:55 Please remember that this is coming from me! Goons and some posts from goon pets, and allies are getting rediculous. You guys pulled one of the most BS move of all time. Now BoB is BoB again and you are crying like the game is now over, and BoB wins! All that happened was BoB has a more appropriate name again. The devs didnt role back the server, by which most of eve wouldnt have minded, or probably would have preferred! The crying is out of character for the goon allies. Who are looking like the backseat in all this even though they are doing the heaving lifting in the fighting. Slow down the smack and the whining, even I know where the line is and you are all crossing it!.. Calm DOWN! WildCat Do you make your text orange so that people will actually look at this idiotic gibberish? No, it's really a secret link that activates if you click on it a certain amount of times. It's all part of the conspiracy to make goons cry on the forums some more.
GenrlBaconbits Caldari Southern Cross Empire	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:12:00 - [236] Originally by: Sertan Deras Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Crimsonjade break out the t2 tissues. we have hit gooniegold all that emo rage and you cant even defeat bob lite. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You must have missed the part where Goons own Delve~ Yes, but the other day, Beaver doomsdayed us, and saved a tower, and I think they successfully warped battleships out. As you can clearly see, we cannot defeat Beaver. Forgive me if i am mistaken, but isnt the ONLY way you actually beat BoB was from that rouge director? Isnt it true that if said director hadn't gone rouge you guys would be loosing ships on another (poorly guided attempt to gain delve)coughinvasioncough, and you would be stuck with your soon to be destroyed sov on the OTHER side of eve? am i right or are you goonies lost on what i've said here? and nice job .BoB. on getting your more well known name back, i hope you get delve back...AGAIN, and ill gladly help on any ops you guys are going on into there, or anywhere else... i dislike goonies with a passion...keep up the trolling. woo go new .BoB.
Chairman Lmao Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:21:00 - [237] Originally by: Aurvundill Quotin for hilarity The thing I like about CCP is that they try to help BoB, they really really do, but they're just never quite on top of things.
Sgmorris Caldari Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:24:00 - [238] EvE/CCP IS for BoB eve is for bob --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- KB LInk http://dynaverse.wardec4tw.com/
Treylis Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:29:00 - [239] Originally by: GenrlBaconbits Forgive me if i am mistaken, but isnt the ONLY way you actually beat BoB was from that rouge director? Isnt it true that if said director hadn't gone rouge you guys would be loosing ships on another (poorly guided attempt to gain delve)coughinvasioncough, and you would be stuck with your soon to be destroyed sov on the OTHER side of eve? am i right or are you goonies lost on what i've said here? and nice job .BoB. on getting your more well known name back, i hope you get delve back...AGAIN, and ill gladly help on any ops you guys are going on into there, or anywhere else... Perhaps you don't know that they had a director spy in Goonfleet, Iromei, that they burned to drop sov in DG-, but as we're not quite ******ed enough to give full executor director in a no-shares corp to just everyone, DG- was it, and it was successfully defended. Not like that matters too much now, heh. The literally trillions of ISK of POS infrastructure (not to mention ships, supplies, etc.) they had in place ensured that it could have been a bit more uphill for us had they decided to actually fight before we took everything. Moving from Detorid and Tenerifis to Delve is not a trivial affair and despite the disbanding they still had a significant defensive advantage. So basically we both put each other in fairly similar situations. One team fumbled hard, and the other owns Delve. Also, rouge is what runs in streaks down your mother's face when I'm done with her. You mean "rogue".
Lexa Hellfury Caldari Oedipus Complex	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:36:00 - [240] Leave it to Beaver
ArmyOfMe Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.03.24 07:44:00 - [241] do i have to pretend like i care anymore? who the hell cares if they can call themselfs bob again
Deira Lenia Gallente Carebear Evolution Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:16:00 - [242] /me lines all CCP employees to a wall /me gets knife /me cuts T20's throat for good measure /me executes 10 CCP employees with a old musket SO WHAT THE ** ARE YOU DIPS DOING THIS TIME? WOULNT IT BE EASYER TO JUST MAKE A ING SIGN STATING: WE ARE CCP. WE ARE CORRUPTED BASTARDS? /me executes 10 more CCP employees God, i could go on like this for hours. Too bad their not really here, otherwise i'da do it >.> Sheesh, how ing horrible does a company have to be to do this . Not to mention. HOW **ING FAST will that employee that did this change get LYNCHED by the players? Because in all seriousness. CCP/BOB/KENNY/Superdudes/Goonieluvers just lost all their credibility. Seriously, Kieron or whoever your current "coustomer relations" dude is now, on stage, half a our ago. WITH SOME REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION. /emorage. -- Carebear Evolution. Learning People to explode since: Err, since we felt like it.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:42:00 - [243] Originally by: Deira Lenia /me lines all CCP employees to a wall /me gets knife /me cuts T20's throat for good measure /me executes 10 CCP employees with a old musket SO WHAT THE ** ARE YOU DIPS DOING THIS TIME? WOULNT IT BE EASYER TO JUST MAKE A ING SIGN STATING: WE ARE CCP. WE ARE CORRUPTED BASTARDS? /me executes 10 more CCP employees God, i could go on like this for hours. Too bad their not really here, otherwise i'da do it >.> Sheesh, how ing horrible does a company have to be to do this . Not to mention. HOW **ING FAST will that employee that did this change get LYNCHED by the players? Because in all seriousness. CCP/BOB/KENNY/Superdudes/Goonieluvers just lost all their credibility. Seriously, Kieron or whoever your current "coustomer relations" dude is now, on stage, half a our ago. WITH SOME REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION. /emorage. quit gettin mad at video games
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:43:00 - [244] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Jack Gates Edited by: Jack Gates on 24/03/2009 02:46:43 Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 24/03/2009 01:34:55 Please remember that this is coming from me! Goons and some posts from goon pets, and allies are getting rediculous. You guys pulled one of the most BS move of all time. Now BoB is BoB again and you are crying like the game is now over, and BoB wins! All that happened was BoB has a more appropriate name again. The devs didnt role back the server, by which most of eve wouldnt have minded, or probably would have preferred! The crying is out of character for the goon allies. Who are looking like the backseat in all this even though they are doing the heaving lifting in the fighting. Slow down the smack and the whining, even I know where the line is and you are all crossing it!.. Calm DOWN! WildCat Do you make your text orange so that people will actually look at this idiotic gibberish? No, it's really a secret link that activates if you click on it a certain amount of times. It's all part of the conspiracy to make goons cry on the forums some more. why do you care about goons so much, we don't even know who BrIcK sQuAd is
Pudgy McFudge Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:43:00 - [245] Edited by: Pudgy McFudge on 24/03/2009 08:44:31 Originally by: Deira Lenia /me lines all CCP employees to a wall /me gets knife /me cuts T20's throat for good measure /me executes 10 CCP employees with a old musket SO WHAT THE ** ARE YOU DIPS DOING THIS TIME? WOULNT IT BE EASYER TO JUST MAKE A ING SIGN STATING: WE ARE CCP. WE ARE CORRUPTED BASTARDS? /me executes 10 more CCP employees God, i could go on like this for hours. Too bad their not really here, otherwise i'da do it >.> Sheesh, how ing horrible does a company have to be to do this . Not to mention. HOW **ING FAST will that employee that did this change get LYNCHED by the players? Because in all seriousness. CCP/BOB/KENNY/Superdudes/Goonieluvers just lost all their credibility. Seriously, Kieron or whoever your current "coustomer relations" dude is now, on stage, half a our ago. WITH SOME REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION. /emorage. Holy crap ur banned.
Deira Lenia Gallente Carebear Evolution Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:43:00 - [246] Originally by: Tirk Umpat u mad?~~~ Yea, i made a typo in my alliance name a wile ago. Petitioned for it and got a reply back saying "we dont change names, you will have to create a new alliance with the correct spelling" so this, in all seriousness. ****es me off. -- Carebear Evolution. Learning People to explode since: Err, since we felt like it.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:52:00 - [247] Originally by: Jack Gates why do you care about goons so much All the crying for attention, it worked.
Kal'Kalagan Minmatar Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:57:00 - [248] /me laughs at Goon emorage. Welcome back BoB!
Deira Lenia Gallente Carebear Evolution Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.03.24 08:58:00 - [249] Originally by: Pudgy McFudge Edited by: Pudgy McFudge on 24/03/2009 08:44:31 Originally by: Deira Lenia /me lines all CCP employees to a wall /me gets knife /me cuts T20's throat for good measure /me executes 10 CCP employees with a old musket SO WHAT THE ** ARE YOU DIPS DOING THIS TIME? WOULNT IT BE EASYER TO JUST MAKE A ING SIGN STATING: WE ARE CCP. WE ARE CORRUPTED BASTARDS? /me executes 10 more CCP employees God, i could go on like this for hours. Too bad their not really here, otherwise i'da do it >.> Sheesh, how ing horrible does a company have to be to do this . Not to mention. HOW **ING FAST will that employee that did this change get LYNCHED by the players? Because in all seriousness. CCP/BOB/KENNY/Superdudes/Goonieluvers just lost all their credibility. Seriously, Kieron or whoever your current "coustomer relations" dude is now, on stage, half a our ago. WITH SOME REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION. /emorage. Holy crap ur banned. With corruption like this would i care? -- Carebear Evolution. Learning People to explode since: Err, since we felt like it.
Kayl Breinhar Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 09:00:00 - [250] I'm personally fine/indifferent with the name change, but "Reloaded" is a bit confusing considering if anything, "Emptied" is a much more appropriate descriptive. Oh well, I guess whatever turns their crank. Tell you what, .BoB. changes their alliance description to "We lost everything we had in three weeks and all we got were two periods and a name change from CCP" and we'll call it square, 'kay?
Chairman Lmao Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 09:00:00 - [251] Originally by: Deira Lenia /me lines all CCP employees to a wall /me gets knife /me cuts T20's throat for good measure /me executes 10 CCP employees with a old musket SO WHAT THE ** ARE YOU DIPS DOING THIS TIME? WOULNT IT BE EASYER TO JUST MAKE A ING SIGN STATING: WE ARE CCP. WE ARE CORRUPTED BASTARDS? /me executes 10 more CCP employees God, i could go on like this for hours. Too bad their not really here, otherwise i'da do it >.> Sheesh, how ing horrible does a company have to be to do this . Not to mention. HOW **ING FAST will that employee that did this change get LYNCHED by the players? Because in all seriousness. CCP/BOB/KENNY/Superdudes/Goonieluvers just lost all their credibility. Seriously, Kieron or whoever your current "coustomer relations" dude is now, on stage, half a our ago. WITH SOME REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION. /emorage. jesus christ man stop posting and calm down (or just stop posting)
Treylis Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 09:02:00 - [252] Originally by: Deira Lenia /me lines all CCP employees to a wall /me gets knife /me cuts T20's throat for good measure /me executes 10 CCP employees with a old musket SO WHAT THE ** ARE YOU DIPS DOING THIS TIME? WOULNT IT BE EASYER TO JUST MAKE A ING SIGN STATING: WE ARE CCP. WE ARE CORRUPTED BASTARDS? /me executes 10 more CCP employees God, i could go on like this for hours. Too bad their not really here, otherwise i'da do it >.> Sheesh, how ing horrible does a company have to be to do this . Not to mention. HOW **ING FAST will that employee that did this change get LYNCHED by the players? Because in all seriousness. CCP/BOB/KENNY/Superdudes/Goonieluvers just lost all their credibility. Seriously, Kieron or whoever your current "coustomer relations" dude is now, on stage, half a our ago. WITH SOME REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION. /emorage. wow I thought my posting back when the t20 scandal broke was pretty nasty but you have one-upped me sir
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.24 09:08:00 - [253] Originally by: Deira Lenia /me lines all CCP employees to a wall /me gets knife /me cuts T20's throat for good measure /me executes 10 CCP employees with a old musket SO WHAT THE ** ARE YOU DIPS DOING THIS TIME? WOULNT IT BE EASYER TO JUST MAKE A ING SIGN STATING: WE ARE CCP. WE ARE CORRUPTED BASTARDS? /me executes 10 more CCP employees God, i could go on like this for hours. Too bad their not really here, otherwise i'da do it >.> Sheesh, how ing horrible does a company have to be to do this . Not to mention. HOW **ING FAST will that employee that did this change get LYNCHED by the players? Because in all seriousness. CCP/BOB/KENNY/Superdudes/Goonieluvers just lost all their credibility. Seriously, Kieron or whoever your current "coustomer relations" dude is now, on stage, half a our ago. WITH SOME REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION. /emorage. wow... someone needs some professional attention. Escort or psychiatrist, choose at will.
gordon cain Minmatar x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 09:15:00 - [254] Originally by: Deira Lenia /me lines all CCP employees to a wall /me gets knife /me cuts T20's throat for good measure /me executes 10 CCP employees with a old musket SO WHAT THE ** ARE YOU DIPS DOING THIS TIME? WOULNT IT BE EASYER TO JUST MAKE A ING SIGN STATING: WE ARE CCP. WE ARE CORRUPTED BASTARDS? /me executes 10 more CCP employees God, i could go on like this for hours. Too bad their not really here, otherwise i'da do it >.> Sheesh, how ing horrible does a company have to be to do this . Not to mention. HOW **ING FAST will that employee that did this change get LYNCHED by the players? Because in all seriousness. CCP/BOB/KENNY/Superdudes/Goonieluvers just lost all their credibility. Seriously, Kieron or whoever your current "coustomer relations" dude is now, on stage, half a our ago. WITH SOME REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION. /emorage. Living in a basement at home or something? Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 09:33:00 - [255] Quote: Band of Brothers' Bogus Journey Aw dude that name would be totally awesome. ------
Shardrael Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team	Posted - 2009.03.24 09:41:00 - [256] Originally by: Deira Lenia Posting violent content will result in a forum ban. Applebabe your meds... take em -------------------- Ur Sig sucks, GTFO. Navigator
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.24 09:49:00 - [257] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: O Thief This is the most outrageous, dispicable example of CCP misconduct I have EVER witnessed. We, the loyal players, who pay our subscriptions, are seeing the sacred Name Change Policy handbook torn up in front of our eyes. That policy document was our rock, our saviour, our bible. I feel violated, and I fully support involving the Icelandic police authorities in initiating a full and transparent investigation into this serious, serious matter. For someone who has been vehemently claiming he doesn't care all day, you sure post a bunch in these threads~ Indeed, I find them very very amusing. Much like how your alliance went from 'cool' to 'Morsus Mihi wannabe' a few months ago. But hey, keep flying with those blobs and farming those moons - we're all very impressed.
Jay Dilla Caldari Tainted Industries Barrel of Monkeys	Posted - 2009.03.24 09:55:00 - [258] This is funny, people are so concerned about what goons say/do that they totally ignore the fact that this whole fiasco is about CCP doing "favours" to BOB over and over again throughout the years. Now you might say oh GS has devs too, sorry but at least their devs dont do bs or dont get caught doing it. Way to go CCP, breaking your own rules!
Don ZOLA Caldari Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 09:56:00 - [259] rofl @ ccp. Thou dunno is it just funny or it is sad situation... Anyway. Why dont you give them sov back aswell. And towers they lost. Im sure you want it. They want it too. I mean, who cares that half of universe will whine cuz of it, they are just ordinary customers, not friends, if you know what i mean. Friendship > *. Who cares about being professional anyway... shame on you ccp...
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:04:00 - [260] Originally by: Jay Dilla This is funny, people are so concerned about what goons say/do that they totally ignore the fact that this whole fiasco is about CCP doing "favours" to BOB over and over again throughout the years. Now you might say oh GS has devs too, sorry but at least their devs dont do bs or dont get caught doing it. Way to go CCP, breaking your own rules! flycatchers; dangerous ------
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:07:00 - [261] Originally by: Jay Dilla This is funny, people are so concerned about what goons say/do that they totally ignore the fact that this whole fiasco is about CCP doing "favours" to BOB over and over again throughout the years. Now you might say oh GS has devs too, sorry but at least their devs dont do bs or dont get caught doing it. Way to go CCP, breaking your own rules! If CCP were exercising favouritism, they would have reversed the alliance disbanding (which may of us wanted and felt appropriate). Given what happened, and the consequences of what happened, anyone with a brain and a sense of reasoning can see that this is a small compromise to have made. In other words: get a grip.
Lee Bian Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:20:00 - [262] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Jay Dilla This is funny, people are so concerned about what goons say/do that they totally ignore the fact that this whole fiasco is about CCP doing "favours" to BOB over and over again throughout the years. Now you might say oh GS has devs too, sorry but at least their devs dont do bs or dont get caught doing it. Way to go CCP, breaking your own rules! If CCP were exercising favouritism, they would have reversed the alliance disbanding (which may of us wanted and felt appropriate). Given what happened, and the consequences of what happened, anyone with a brain and a sense of reasoning can see that this is a small compromise to have made. In other words: get a grip. so basically what you're saying is that as long as it helps bob you're for it
Treylis Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:21:00 - [263] Originally by: O Thief If CCP were exercising favouritism, they would have reversed the alliance disbanding (which may of us wanted and felt appropriate). Given what happened, and the consequences of what happened, anyone with a brain and a sense of reasoning can see that this is a small compromise to have made. In other words: get a grip. my false dilemma backbone
Kortat Amarr Setenta Corp	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:22:00 - [264] so mad about a name change puzlles me... are u really that bitter ? hmmm ever consideres playing less eve, or eat some magic pills `?
Adeptus mecanicus Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:22:00 - [265] think many of those yelling foul play are tossing handgrenades in glass houses considering their metagaming history, also why "reloaded"....just "loaded" sounds way cooler Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
Cpt Cosmic Caldari Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:32:00 - [266] An alliance was renamed, changing a few letters worth of pixels has a massive impact, clearly EVE is dying now and CCP is corrupt. the sky!!! run!!! poasting in a brainfart thread, smells delicious!
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:33:00 - [267] Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus think many of those yelling foul play are tossing handgrenades in glass houses considering their metagaming history, also why "reloaded"....just "loaded" sounds way cooler haha, exactly, publicly stating their intentions to ruin a game and then go on about the devs is abit absurd. ------
Jay Dilla Caldari Tainted Industries Barrel of Monkeys	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:35:00 - [268] Originally by: O Thief If CCP were exercising favouritism, they would have reversed the alliance disbanding (which may of us wanted and felt appropriate). Given what happened, and the consequences of what happened, anyone with a brain and a sense of reasoning can see that this is a small compromise to have made. In other words: get a grip. By consequences You mean BoB loosing their own spying game? There is nothing to compromise, BoB got beaten in their own game and if CCP sees it as a flaw they are most welcome to change that in the future. But this was human flaw not the game mechanics itself.
Jay Dilla Caldari Tainted Industries Barrel of Monkeys	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:36:00 - [269] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus think many of those yelling foul play are tossing handgrenades in glass houses considering their metagaming history, also why "reloaded"....just "loaded" sounds way cooler haha, exactly, publicly stating their intentions to ruin a game and then go on about the devs is abit absurd. They ruined your game not THE game.
Ilsea Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:37:00 - [270] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Jay Dilla This is funny, people are so concerned about what goons say/do that they totally ignore the fact that this whole fiasco is about CCP doing "favours" to BOB over and over again throughout the years. Now you might say oh GS has devs too, sorry but at least their devs dont do bs or dont get caught doing it. Way to go CCP, breaking your own rules! If CCP were exercising favouritism, they would have reversed the alliance disbanding (which may of us wanted and felt appropriate). Given what happened, and the consequences of what happened, anyone with a brain and a sense of reasoning can see that this is a small compromise to have made. In other words: get a grip. This Is what makes me laugh at posting on this forum. When goons took away the BOB name and disbanded an alliance, it was well within the standing game machanics set forth by ccp. The account wasn't hacked, the password wasn't stolen, nothing can be said about this in any negetive way. Go to now, CCP has outright destroyed its own set of rules, which for the last 5 years has been a way of seeing things done, and changed the name of an alliance. You can ask any member of this forum or game, and they will all say how much bull**** this is. Normally when an alliance swaps names, they lose sov., they would lose stations, and they would have to give up what was earned by the previous alliance. If this does not happen tonight at downtime its a problem. I can see how an upheavle can be caused by helping someone do something that is against the rules, it would be almost as close as giving away free T2 bpos. oh wait.
Lee Bian Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:38:00 - [271] Originally by: Nicholas Barker haha, exactly, being publicly and repeatedly exposed as cheaters in a game and then go on about how others are worse is a bit absurd.
Chairman Lmao Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:40:00 - [272] Originally by: Nicholas Barker haha, exactly, publicly stating their intentions to ruin a game and then go on about the devs is abit absurd. hey man are we allowed to build up in 0.0 yet?
Ironnight Caldari x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:44:00 - [273] Originally by: Challic Originally by: Ironnight Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel So they changed a ****ed alliance name to another more **ed alliance name :awesome: Only Metallica is allowed to make "Reloaded" things . Metallica couldnt pull it off, lets see if CCP will cave to whineswarm and stop bob as well. Wow....you really believe what you are saying. I'm sorry for you. Here is a quote that should cheer you up...I hear he may or may not be a friend of BoB's [15:21:44] GM Dionysus > Boom Boom in the Champagne room? Do you really think that anyone at CCP, other then those that are part of whineswarm are going to want to talk to them, when all they do is whine every time they dont get their way? All they should get is a *slap. They're like 'oh ** son, its a trap Doomsday
azmodeun Amarr Thurisaz Robotics Corporation The Fifth Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:51:00 - [274] Originally by: Treylis Originally by: GenrlBaconbits Stuff Also, rouge is what runs in streaks down your mother's face when I'm done with her. You mean "rogue". Not very nice to involve family members just to teach proper grammar...
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:53:00 - [275] Originally by: Jack Gates they redrew the rules because BoBR (which apparently translates to "beaver" in Russian), cried enough and got their way. Again. Not just Russian, Polish too - I imagine bobr means beaver in a lot of slavic languages. /the more you know
clone 1 Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:58:00 - [276] It is really quite unfair, and I dont know why CCP dont see that. I couldnt even change my 'c' for a capital 'C' for my name . Guess its who you know. Interesting. Over and Over again. Bob friends in CCP really know how to **** people off. Eve General thread that was not locked but REMOVED. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 10:59:00 - [277] Originally by: Jay Dilla This is funny, people are so concerned about what goons say/do that they totally ignore the fact that this whole fiasco is about CCP doing "favours" to BOB over and over again throughout the years. Now you might say oh GS has devs too, sorry but at least their devs dont do bs or dont get caught doing it. Way to go CCP, breaking your own rules! They know. BoB has been caught using links with CCP to cheat again. Slagging off Goons is an attempt to distract attention and gain a little sympathy, because some people don't like us But they cheated. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
Cadet Seaton Caldari Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:10:00 - [278] Gogo Band of Cheaters & Developers!!
WisdomLikeSilence Gallente The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:14:00 - [279] Threads on this topic are being deleted from the Main discussion area to pretend there is nothing going on. Why the cover up? Why no explanation? Why is some peoples money worth more to CCP than everyone elses? Why am I forced to pose these questions in the COAD forum when it has nothing to do with the politics of Corporations and Alliances and everything to do with CCP policies? Can I ask, what other special favours do bobr get from CCP? The players, no the CUSTOMERS demand that all of us be treated fairly, which is to say EQUALLY. This is demonstrated exhaustively, every time CCP demonstrates favouritism. Either CCP is incapable of learning from its mistakes in this matter, or they are doing it deliberately.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:14:00 - [280] Originally by: Cadet Seaton Gogo Band of Cheaters & Developers!! EVE is dying!
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:15:00 - [281] What a wall of waaaaaaaa. You have pegged the waaaa meter off scale. Who carez? I juzt find it hilariouz the amount of angzt dedicated to a name. MSC eht ot etadidnac P&C suopmoP niatpaC rof etoV
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Freedom From Fear Industries The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:18:00 - [282] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Originally by: Adeptus mecanicus think many of those yelling foul play are tossing handgrenades in glass houses considering their metagaming history, also why "reloaded"....just "loaded" sounds way cooler haha, exactly, publicly stating their intentions to ruin a game and then go on about the devs is abit absurd. good thing no one else playing the internet spaceships game noticed, otherwise your statement would just be a bad pr attempt. oh wait, is that why ccp navigator is locking threads and directing people to post ONLY in the two "complain about ccp cheating" threads? and i'm sure a number of companies would love for people to attempt to destroy their game by paying for thousands of subs for several years.... yup, nothing like... 15/month x 24-48 months x 5000 subs to totally destroy a company by giving them 1.8million - 3.6million+ dollars.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:35:00 - [283] Originally by: O Thief Indeed, I find them very very amusing. Much like how your alliance went from 'cool' to 'Morsus Mihi wannabe' a few months ago. But hey, keep flying with those blobs and farming those moons - we're all very impressed. What exactly does your alliance do again~~
Tristen Orde Caldari Maximum Yarrage Band of Bastards.	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:38:00 - [284] Originally by: Viscount Prawn New and improved with the addition of periods on either end of the alliance ticker, .BoB. Mmmmm... tasty BOB ticker.
Venetian Tar Caldari Violation of Freedom Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:47:00 - [285] Originally by: Tristen Orde Originally by: Viscount Prawn New and improved with the addition of periods on either end of the alliance ticker, .BoB. Mmmmm... tasty BOB ticker. Heh, nice alliance name.
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:02:00 - [286] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: O Thief Indeed, I find them very very amusing. Much like how your alliance went from 'cool' to 'Morsus Mihi wannabe' a few months ago. But hey, keep flying with those blobs and farming those moons - we're all very impressed. What exactly does your alliance do again~~ farm moons and fly in blobs we wanna be cool like you
Ulic Vos Caldari Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:26:00 - [287] posting in an epic dramabomb /dramaqueens thread. i need moar popcorn !
Jesum Amarr Black Rainbow Knights Unity Thru Aggression.	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:33:00 - [288] Edited by: Jesum on 24/03/2009 12:33:21 CCP creates drama Drama gets people to play more and connect more feelings to the game (envy, annoyance, arrogance, hatred) More feelings towards a commercial object = the more widespread the object CCP is creating revenue ____________ [-..-] Jesum ♥
cpu939 Gallente OffBeat Creations	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:46:00 - [289] Originally by: Jesum Edited by: Jesum on 24/03/2009 12:33:21 CCP creates drama Drama gets people to play more and connect more feelings to the game (envy, annoyance, arrogance, hatred) More feelings towards a commercial object = the more widespread the object CCP is creating revenue you know that is very well put and more player can only be good for everyone. also from an outsider view it hostile group closes group and takes name, ccp/eve police gives name back to an outsider not an eve player this would look fair. is it fair is it not fair not my call but hey it's only a game. Its not like ccp gave them all of delve back and removed all of gs sov. 01101111 01100110 01100110 01100010 01100101 01100001 01110100 00100000 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110
Failboat Captain Minmatar Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:50:00 - [290] Yet. Band of Brothers: Redeveloped?
Glengrant Minmatar TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:53:00 - [291] Woah - the stuff people can get upset about. So Bob can now be recognized as BoB again - what has the world come to? After they lost their original name to an unintended hole in alliance mechanics. Shocking. What a non-issue. Yet another storm in a teacup. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE
Deldrac Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:54:00 - [292] Hmm, more I think about it, less it seems appropriate for ccp to allow Ken to impersonate a goon corp.
Xikulis Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 12:56:00 - [293] Originally by: Glengrant Woah - the stuff people can get upset about. So Bob can now be recognized as BoB again - what has the world come to? After they lost their original name to an unintended hole in alliance mechanics. Shocking. What a non-issue. Yet another storm in a teacup. I completely agree Glengrant. CCP changing the rules for one alliance yet again is certainly nothing to get upset about. You people should all remember that internet spaceships is not serious business.
Nabar Phargal Gallente Free Collective Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:09:00 - [294] Will goons petition to have their alliance name changed to more appropriately reflect the current conflict? I humbly submit the following suggestions: Cheney Nixon Richard Pen15 You know you want to see **** vs Beaver
Dr Cidolfus Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:15:00 - [295] Originally by: Glengrant Woah - the stuff people can get upset about. So Bob can now be recognized as BoB again - what has the world come to? After they lost their original name to horrible alliance management. Shocking. Fixed it for you. Since what you all refuse to understand is that SirMolle brought it upon them by setting up the corp with no shares so no votes had to be done. Therefore not a bad game mechanic, but horrible planning by horrible players.
Xikulis Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:16:00 - [296] Originally by: Nabar Phargal Will goons petition to have their alliance name changed to more appropriately reflect the current conflict? I humbly submit the following suggestions: Cheney Nixon Richard Pen15 You know you want to see **** vs Beaver Good idea, except we should bring back "We Are Nice Guys". WANG vs BEAVER.
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:18:00 - [297] I'm still waiting for GM Grimmi to say how this name change DOESNT violate the rules. If they've done it before to help others, that doesnt change the fact that different people have heard "We never change names unless the name is found to be offensive". 2 wrongs doesn't make a right, Grimmi And furthermore, why does Bob Reloaded get an alliance name/ticker that isn't even POSSIBLE with the current formatting rules? The whole thing stinks and you know it. If you felt Bob's loss was unfair then you shouldn't have programmed the game for that to be possible. It isn't our fault that it's possible to remove shares, delete the 24 hour timer, and then open your alliance up to instant disbanding. I absolutely refuse to believe that the same courtesy would have been extended to anyone else under the same circumstances. ___________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:19:00 - [298] Originally by: Dr Cidolfus Originally by: Glengrant Woah - the stuff people can get upset about. So Bob can now be recognized as BoB again - what has the world come to? After they lost their original name to horrible alliance management. Shocking. Fixed it for you. Since what you all refuse to understand is that SirMolle brought it upon them by setting up the corp with no shares so no votes had to be done. Therefore not a bad game mechanic, but horrible planning by horrible players. empire pubbies are stupid and will believe whatever idiot garbage they hear in crime and punishment v0v
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:19:00 - [299] Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 13:19:36 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032494 apparently it would have been done to others in the same circumstances. shrug.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:21:00 - [300] Originally by: Cadet Seaton Gogo Band of Cheaters & Developers!! Right. ôWe did a survey in our database at the point of the controversy, and it turned out there were actually more CCP employees in GoonSwarm than in BOB,ö Mr. Petursson said yesterday. Eve Radio - Playing Music To The Masses!
Elo Behram Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:25:00 - [301] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda ôWe did a survey in our database at the point of the controversy, and it turned out there were actually more CCP employees in GoonSwarm than in BOB,ö Mr. Petursson said yesterday. well if they said it then it must be true! ~
get money Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:26:00 - [302] while bobr sit in lowsec gloating about their name change, i'm using jump bridges in delve. fair trade i'd say.
get money Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:27:00 - [303] Edited by: get money on 24/03/2009 13:27:21 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Cadet Seaton Gogo Band of Cheaters & Developers!! Right. ôWe did a survey in our database at the point of the controversy, and it turned out there were actually more CCP employees in GoonSwarm than in BOB,ö Mr. Petursson said yesterday. well if we have them, they sure as hell aren't spawning blueprints for us, much less letting themselves be known.
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:28:00 - [304] Originally by: get money while bobr sit in lowsec gloating about their name change, i'm using jump bridges in delve. fair trade i'd say. this. seriously.. GS gets delve, BoB gets a [idiotic] name. why all the crying?
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:28:00 - [305] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 13:19:36 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032494 apparently it would have been done to others in the same circumstances. shrug. Except it never has before and CCP's own rules explicitely said "No name changes". Sounds like someone told GM Grimmi to go post that as a smokescreen.
MASSIVEMURDERMACHINE Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:29:00 - [306] Calm down then read this quote. Quote: At this point, I would like to emphasize that there are working procedures you can follow if you feel that there is an issue with employees of CCP or members of ISD that needs serious attention. You can either submit a petition, or email the Internal Affairs Department at [email protected]
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:29:00 - [307] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 24/03/2009 13:30:03 Originally by: Elo Behram well if they said it then it must be true! So CCP is a circus of liars rather than a business with a reputation it cares about because it directly affects their profits. I see where you're coming from. Fully. Originally by: get money well if we have them, they sure as hell aren't spawning blueprints for us, much less letting themselves be known. Their identities are not supposed to be known. That's what gets the forums in these kinds of messes. Eve Radio - Playing Music To The Masses!
TigCobra Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:30:00 - [308] Originally by: Cadet Seaton Gogo Band of Cheaters & Developers!!
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:31:00 - [309] I'll miss the lil' goku on our killboard :( Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Elo Behram Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:31:00 - [310] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda So CCP is a circus of liars rather than a business with a reputation it cares about because it directly affects their profits. I see where you're coming from. Fully. CCP denied the T20 thing forever before they finally came clean you're an idiot ~
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:33:00 - [311] Originally by: Itzena Originally by: Vincent Gaines Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 13:19:36 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032494 apparently it would have been done to others in the same circumstances. shrug. Except it never has before and CCP's own rules explicitely said "No name changes". Sounds like someone told GM Grimmi to go post that as a smokescreen. There have been name changes before, hell my old OT corp (those from SA know OT) was Allied Industrial Defense Syndicate [AIDS] and it got changed.. ironically by a BoB member petitioning it... but those rules are broken countless times. But I still don't see what all the fuss is about, GS has steamrolled ken/bobr and all they have is lowsec and a name
teji Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:33:00 - [312] Edited by: teji on 24/03/2009 13:33:15 I guess I have 5 more character names to petition now that they made it official that they are changing names for whomever wants it.
Yonker Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:33:00 - [313] If they re-named using the established ways of re-naming their alliance they would lose Sov3 in 9 (admittidly crappy) systems and be out of 1bil isk. Since the GMs let them circumvent the rules, it is the equivalent of them being handed Sov3 in 9 systems and free money. It isn't a huge deal, the systems will be taken anyway. But this type of rule bending is one of the reasons why people have no faith in CCP.
Xikulis Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:34:00 - [314] Originally by: Swamp Ziro I'll miss the lil' goku on our killboard :( Yes but considering their new name our killboards will be the only place Goons actually see any beaver on a regular basis.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:35:00 - [315] Originally by: Elo Behram Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda So CCP is a circus of liars rather than a business with a reputation it cares about because it directly affects their profits. I see where you're coming from. Fully. CCP denied the T20 thing forever before they finally came clean you're an idiot If you actually read the entire story, and the dev blogs that came up after the incident, you would know that most of the CCP team was on vacation when it broke. Please keep throwing petty insults that mean nothing at me. They amuse me. Eve Radio - Playing Music To The Masses!
Yonker Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:35:00 - [316] Originally by: Vincent Gaines There have been name changes before, hell my old OT corp (those from SA know OT) was Allied Industrial Defense Syndicate [AIDS] and it got changed.. ironically by a BoB member petitioning it... but those rules are broken countless times. But I still don't see what all the fuss is about, GS has steamrolled ken/bobr and all they have is lowsec and a name 'Offensive' name is a documented reason why a corp/alliance's name will be changed. 'I don't like my ****ty name' is not a reason why names are changed.
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:36:00 - [317] Originally by: get money well if we have them, they sure as hell aren't spawning blueprints for us, much less letting themselves be known. I'm 100% sure if it were happening that it'd be announced right off the bat, right?
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:37:00 - [318] Originally by: Yonker Originally by: Vincent Gaines There have been name changes before, hell my old OT corp (those from SA know OT) was Allied Industrial Defense Syndicate [AIDS] and it got changed.. ironically by a BoB member petitioning it... but those rules are broken countless times. But I still don't see what all the fuss is about, GS has steamrolled ken/bobr and all they have is lowsec and a name 'Offensive' name is a documented reason why a corp/alliance's name will be changed. 'I don't like my ****ty name' is not a reason why names are changed. do you find it offensive?
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:38:00 - [319] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Elo Behram Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda So CCP is a circus of liars rather than a business with a reputation it cares about because it directly affects their profits. I see where you're coming from. Fully. CCP denied the T20 thing forever before they finally came clean you're an idiot If you actually read the entire story, and the dev blogs that came up after the incident, you would know that most of the CCP team was on vacation when it broke. Please keep throwing petty insults that mean nothing at me. They amuse me. Kyoko Sakoda My last name is the sound a katana makes when drawn. My first is the sound it makes when it kills you space bushido~~ Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Aiden Tyrik Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:50:00 - [320] It's pretty funny how bobr isn't even trying to dispute that they get preferential treatment. Their only response is that we should "quit cryin" lol.
TheOnyx Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:53:00 - [321] Originally by: Xikulis More pointless posts with no content from you, bravo. ROFL ! Coming from a Goonwurm....priceless !
clone 1 Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:53:00 - [322] Originally by: Vincent Gaines http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032494apparently it would have been done to others in the same circumstances. http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Naming_Policies There is no guarantee that the name will be changed. Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason. Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies From KB "Please keep in mind that the names cannot be changed after you have created the account, character or corporation so please take care what you name them." Look out for wiki changes to incorporate latest action into ruleset. Load of crap, i cannot even get a capital 'c'. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Yonker Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:54:00 - [323] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: Yonker Originally by: Vincent Gaines There have been name changes before, hell my old OT corp (those from SA know OT) was Allied Industrial Defense Syndicate [AIDS] and it got changed.. ironically by a BoB member petitioning it... but those rules are broken countless times. But I still don't see what all the fuss is about, GS has steamrolled ken/bobr and all they have is lowsec and a name 'Offensive' name is a documented reason why a corp/alliance's name will be changed. 'I don't like my ****ty name' is not a reason why names are changed. do you find it offensive? No, that is why I put it in quotes. But it is clear that the BoB member that petitioned the name was able to convince the GM (gasp) that it was offensive.
Berious Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:55:00 - [324] Originally by: Aiden Tyrik It's pretty funny how bobr isn't even trying to dispute that they get preferential treatment. Their only response is that we should "quit cryin" lol. Beavers being arrogant and entitled you say?
irion felpamy Minmatar HellJumpers Corp United For 0rder	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:57:00 - [325] Originally by: MASSIVEMURDERMACHINE Calm down then read this quote. Quote: At this point, I would like to emphasize that there are working procedures you can follow if you feel that there is an issue with employees of CCP or members of ISD that needs serious attention. You can either submit a petition, or email the Internal Affairs Department at [email protected] I tried that last night, it got passed from IA to the GM's, you know the people who made the change in the first place. Waste of space department after all, and yes I am aware many people called it ages ago.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 13:59:00 - [326] Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Haargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Yonker Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:00:00 - [327] Originally by: Berious Originally by: Aiden Tyrik It's pretty funny how bobr isn't even trying to dispute that they get preferential treatment. Their only response is that we should "quit cryin" lol. Beavers being arrogant and entitled you say? Beavers do not hibernate, but store sticks and logs underwater to feed on during the winter.
Oran Sound Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:01:00 - [328] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032494 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_the_buck
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:03:00 - [329] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Haargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. that's completely untrue and I wish you'd double check your sources and assumptions before posting Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Yonker Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:04:00 - [330] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Haargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. ^ Are you just gonna copy/paste that everywhere? Lets play a game. Its called choose what was done with in-game mechanics, without intervention by the GM staff and which was not. The major reason this game is so entertaining is because the rules are open but firm. Get scammed? Sorry, they didn't break any rules. Have your corp disbanded by a disgruntled director? Sorry, it was all done with in-game mechanics and didn't break any rules. Re-name your Alliance without paying 1b isk and losing sov in all your system? Nope, sorry the in-game mechanic that allows for this requires that you pay 1b isk and lose sov in all of your systems... what, you're BoB? Oh well, we've cheated for you before, what the hell rename.
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:07:00 - [331] Originally by: "GM Grimmi" We have previously changed names .. the situation warranted such action Thus, apparently business as usual without favours. Assuming someone remembers other name changes, and what was the situation back then? And of course it is a precedent; and thus any party that for some reason loses their alliance name, should be able to their 'backup' alliance renamed. Assuming CCP followed some interpretation of rules, instead of feelings along "they didn't deserve that". -Lasse
Petar Quaresma Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:08:00 - [332] European bias in my opinion. If they were a largely American alliance this wouldn't have happened.
George Clinton Minmatar Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:08:00 - [333] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Haargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. jesus, shut up jade
Gummi Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:08:00 - [334] Originally by: GM Grimmi "Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment." When we wanted to rename The SUdden Death Squad to The Sudden Death Squad, we were denied according to rules and policies in Knowledgebase. But this was BOB so I suppose that rule didn't apply. At lease we know know where we stand.
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:11:00 - [335] Originally by: Yonker No, that is why I put it in quotes. But it is clear that the BoB member that petitioned the name was able to convince the GM (gasp) that it was offensive. I might actually begin liking you goons.
Olipnius Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:12:00 - [336] Edited by: Olipnius on 24/03/2009 14:14:13 Originally by: Jade Constantine Well playing Eve is voluntary at the end of the day. If the goons don't like that Band of Brothers (kinda) got their name back then they aren't being forced to continue their subscription payments. Lets get it into perspective. Within the letter of the game documentation the alliance disband wasn't apparently possible in the first place. If ccp are going to honour "Haargoth" disbanding the orginal alliance and take no action against Goons reinstituting a Band of Brothers alt corp purely to post spam on CAOD with while impersonating an in-game entity against past eula guidance then it seems absolutely reasonable that a compromise is reached and they let BOB rename their current alliance to a form that respects the gameplay investment of its member base in previous years. This current threadnaughting on the other hand is immature foot-stamping at best and I think the actual Eve community (as opposed to the SA community) will be getting a bit tired of goons throwing their toys out of prams every time the slightest thing goes against them by now. Whineswarm strikes again. Just grow up and play the game. Who are you? Also theres like AAA and kengoku pets and pretty much everyone realizes this is an obvious breech of the rules, a non offensive name was changed to avoid negative repercussions. Quote: When we wanted to rename The SUdden Death Squad to The Sudden Death Squad, we were denied according to rules and policies in Knowledgebase. But this was BOB so I suppose that rule didn't apply. At lease we know know where we stand. That and any number of other examples, and the rules explicitly stating the same thing are what makes this so stupid. Any corp but bob that makes a typo or doesn't like their name has to reform their alliance. But a GM comes out saying that BoB has suffered enough telling us to drop it? no way. They could have formed the name on their own. It wasn't taken, but they used a GM to avoid having to pay any fees or reform their alliance.
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:12:00 - [337] Originally by: Gummi Originally by: GM Grimmi "Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment." When we wanted to rename The SUdden Death Squad to The Sudden Death Squad, we were denied according to rules and policies in Knowledgebase. But this was BOB so I suppose that rule didn't apply. At lease we know know where we stand. I always thought the capital U was intentional
Skoot Gallente Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:12:00 - [338] Originally by: Gummi Originally by: GM Grimmi "Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment." When we wanted to rename The SUdden Death Squad to The Sudden Death Squad, we were denied according to rules and policies in Knowledgebase. But this was BOB so I suppose that rule didn't apply. At lease we know know where we stand. THe EULA clearly states that CCP has the final say and they can do whatever they see fit. So if they choose to support BOB it is there right to. It doesnt have to be fair. It is CCP's game and they can do whatever they want. We just have to face it that this game is run by some people that pick favorites in the game and make the game unfair for others.
Delc Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:13:00 - [339] Well since CCP is doing favors, I would like an avatar titan bpo contracted to my Character. I know you can do it outta good faith since i have been a member since 2003 :) [center]
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:15:00 - [340] Except that Stofferninjapirate, formerly an expert on EVETV for the alliance tournaments suddenly showed up as CCP Soundwave during the last alliance tournaments. Bumtish. Originally by: get money Edited by: get money on 24/03/2009 13:27:21 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Cadet Seaton Gogo Band of Cheaters & Developers!! Right. ôWe did a survey in our database at the point of the controversy, and it turned out there were actually more CCP employees in GoonSwarm than in BOB,ö Mr. Petursson said yesterday. well if we have them, they sure as hell aren't spawning blueprints for us, much less letting themselves be known.
Olipnius Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:17:00 - [341] I too want a whiteknighting GM to ride in on is majestic steed, tell everyone I've had it hard enough in the game and that hes breaking the rules just for me. I'll let myself fall into his big strong arms and ride away into the sunset being renamed "Satisfied"
Xiobe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:18:00 - [342] Originally by: Jade Constantine A WHOLE BUNCH OF WORDS That's a lot of words just to prove you don't understand the issue and have nothing better to do than cry like a lil' baby while the grown-ups are talking. :] -- lose. their. they're. there. couldn't care less. lego. colour. flavour.
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:18:00 - [343] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Except that Stofferninjapirate, formerly an expert on EVETV for the alliance tournaments suddenly showed up as CCP Soundwave during the last alliance tournaments. Bumtish. Originally by: get money Edited by: get money on 24/03/2009 13:27:21 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Cadet Seaton Gogo Band of Cheaters & Developers!! Right. ôWe did a survey in our database at the point of the controversy, and it turned out there were actually more CCP employees in GoonSwarm than in BOB,ö Mr. Petursson said yesterday. well if we have them, they sure as hell aren't spawning blueprints for us, much less letting themselves be known. Taking this defense approach was possibly a miss on the same level as warping a mothership to a stargate Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Gummi Caldari Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:18:00 - [344] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Originally by: Gummi Originally by: GM Grimmi "Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment." When we wanted to rename The SUdden Death Squad to The Sudden Death Squad, we were denied according to rules and policies in Knowledgebase. But this was BOB so I suppose that rule didn't apply. At lease we know know where we stand. I always thought the capital U was intentional Thats what we said after petition was denied as the typo made us look rightly stupid, SUDS lol . Oh well.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:19:00 - [345] hey at least it's a terrible name this time and not a blueprint of the best interdictor in the game this is progress guys rite~
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:20:00 - [346] it's gonna be 4:20 in like a minute here woooooooo Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:21:00 - [347] Originally by: Vincent Gaines seriously.. GS gets delve, BoB gets a [idiotic] name. why all the crying? Good question. Gaining sovereignty in Delve meant shooting enemy space stations and putting up our own space stations. Anyone can do the same to us, and they're trying right now (in a system called 49-). Transferring sovereignty from an alliance with one name to an alliance with a different name is something nobody can do without special help from CCP. In my opinion, the same rules should be applied equally to all players. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
enjoi Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:22:00 - [348] can't we just get along? you, us, ~~our~~ the devs? Real men structure tank.
Xiobe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:24:00 - [349] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Except that Stofferninjapirate, formerly an expert on EVETV for the alliance tournaments suddenly showed up as CCP Soundwave during the last alliance tournaments. there was nothing sudden about it you idiot. i miss stoffer. -- lose. their. they're. there. couldn't care less. lego. colour. flavour.
enjoi Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:24:00 - [350] Edited by: enjoi on 24/03/2009 14:24:19 Originally by: Palmer Eldritch In my opinion, the same rules should be applied equally to all players. Real men structure tank.
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:25:00 - [351] Originally by: enjoi can't we just get along? you, us, ~~our~~ the devs? rofl, you better be on TS in 30 minutes lover, finish work soon gunna drive back as fast as possible to hear your voice. ------
Yonker Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:25:00 - [352] Originally by: enjoi Edited by: enjoi on 24/03/2009 14:24:19 Originally by: Palmer Eldritch In my opinion, the same rules should be applied equally to all players. Like the rule about alt corps, amirite? That Band of Brothers corp is sweeeeet. Please, show me this rule you're alluding to. fake edit: nice try on the edit there.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:25:00 - [353] Originally by: Xiobe Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Except that Stofferninjapirate, formerly an expert on EVETV for the alliance tournaments suddenly showed up as CCP Soundwave during the last alliance tournaments. there was nothing sudden about it you idiot. i miss stoffer. Geez, nerve? CEO in jail, go.
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:26:00 - [354] did you guys finally get your posting clearance sorted, sweet come post up a bunch with us Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:27:00 - [355] We were talking about how you guys always seem to cause trouble for ccp i wish you loved them more Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:27:00 - [356] Band of Brothers is not an "alt" corp, it's an official gateway corp shame on you Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:33:00 - [357] Originally by: Palmer Eldritch Originally by: Vincent Gaines seriously.. GS gets delve, BoB gets a [idiotic] name. why all the crying? Good question. Gaining sovereignty in Delve meant shooting enemy space stations and putting up our own space stations. Anyone can do the same to us, and they're trying right now (in a system called 49-). Transferring sovereignty from an alliance with one name to an alliance with a different name is something nobody can do without special help from CCP. In my opinion, the same rules should be applied equally to all players. It's the same alliance, just renamed. and I agree, alliance/corp/char name changes should be allowed.
enjoi Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:34:00 - [358] Originally by: Yonker Originally by: enjoi Edited by: enjoi on 24/03/2009 14:24:19 Originally by: Palmer Eldritch In my opinion, the same rules should be applied equally to all players. Like the rule about alt corps, amirite? That Band of Brothers corp is sweeeeet. Please, show me this rule you're alluding to. fake edit: nice try on the edit there. generally the rule on posting. and gee whizz, your f5 key is too much for me. need I call upon the power of grayskull? Real men structure tank.
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:34:00 - [359] 12 pages, and still no-one cares apart from some goons who were told to threadnaught about it no one cares and you can spam all you like, but the name is staying, the alliance isnt disbanding, and everyone is laughing at you keep it up
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:35:00 - [360] Originally by: enjoi Originally by: Yonker Originally by: enjoi Edited by: enjoi on 24/03/2009 14:24:19 Originally by: Palmer Eldritch In my opinion, the same rules should be applied equally to all players. Like the rule about alt corps, amirite? That Band of Brothers corp is sweeeeet. Please, show me this rule you're alluding to. fake edit: nice try on the edit there. generally the rule on posting. and gee whizz, your f5 key is too much for me. need I call upon the power of grayskull? the only rule on posting is: "never stop" Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Olipnius Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:36:00 - [361] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Xiobe Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Except that Stofferninjapirate, formerly an expert on EVETV for the alliance tournaments suddenly showed up as CCP Soundwave during the last alliance tournaments. there was nothing sudden about it you idiot. i miss stoffer. Geez, nerve? CEO in jail, go. That makes him the greatest CEO ever. I don't think you "get" goons and should really step back and let some of the tried and true vets of smack who know goons come out. What's that? They are all gone? Lost 500 towers you say? Their fortress region in a matter of weeks you say? No real fighting back except from Mercenary Coalition 2 you say? Why I never.
enjoi Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:36:00 - [362] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Originally by: enjoi can't we just get along? you, us, ~~our~~ the devs? rofl, you better be on TS in 30 minutes lover, finish work soon gunna drive back as fast as possible to hear your voice. I have to leave for work myself in an hour :( keep the bed warm baby. Real men structure tank.
Lord Abbadon Gallente Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:36:00 - [363] Originally by: Vincent Gaines It's the same alliance, just renamed. and I agree, alliance/corp/char name changes should be allowed. yeah thing also it should be able to rename it, but think how many alliances would abuse it, yet corp and people. The problem isnt that they have another way, its that ccp shows favoritism yet again ignoring their own rules. If this would be a "legit" move kenz would have to create a new alliance then move into it, but they didnt they got a free rule breaking name change. kudos on the gm that did it.
Petar Quaresma Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:37:00 - [364] I think this will be the new strategy for the enemies we face. Every time they fail at some strategic objective they will change their name to something more stupid than they previously had.
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:38:00 - [365] Well it's not really that important, I mean, renaming something from "kenzoku" is as humanitarian an action as can be. I just wish they'd post some solid guidelines for renamings because I wanted to become swamp zero as my first newbie attempt was named back then. Shame it started with 30k sp Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Yonker Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:40:00 - [366] Edited by: Yonker on 24/03/2009 14:40:31 Originally by: Karezan Which is probably the exact reason why the rename was allowed. They had to emergency reform in a (now proven to be pointless) attempt to start regaining sov right away. They did not have adequate time to pick a new name for their alliance, and ended up being allowed a rename because of this (or at least I believe this to be the thought process behind it). I'm guessing the key thing here is that they did lose all sov and pay 1b when BoB was disbanded. They requested this change at the time, and it took 2 months for GM's to decide. They just didn't form under the new name they wanted, because they didn't have time to. Yes it's still an exception to the rules, but they did suffer the downsides (paying another 1b and losing all sov), even if they never planned for it. I'm guessing that's where the 2 month comment comes from, the loss of sov was 2 months ago (at the time of the petition), and the decision was only made now. So you're saying if they waited to re-form their Alliance... the consequence would have been that they would have lost Sov correct? In order to re-form quickly they had to use this already created Alliance with a different name, right? So, they had a choice... either lose Sov, or lose their name. They made a choice to keep sov. So what rule is it that says if you don't like the consequence of your decision... CCP will adjust the game to fit your needs? I'm sure A LOT of scammed people would like to petition CCP under this new rule of "Not having to take responsibility for your actions".
enjoi Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:41:00 - [367] Originally by: Olipnius That makes him the greatest CEO ever. I don't think you "get" goons and should really step back and let some of the tried and true vets of smack who know goons come out. What's that? They are all gone? Lost 500 towers you say? Their fortress region in a matter of weeks you say? No real fighting back except from Mercenary Coalition 2 you say? Why I never. Anytime you feel sad. Alone, isolated, depressed, misunderstood. Tell people that they don't get you. GoonSwarm, a place for the lonely and misunderstood. They understand. Real men structure tank.
Rand Paul Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:42:00 - [368] What's in a name? That which we call a turd by any other name would smell as bad~~ So Kenzoku would, were they not Kenzoku called, Retain that incompetence which they owe without that title Gokus, doff your name And for that name which is no part of thee Lose all of Delve~~
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:43:00 - [369] Originally by: enjoi Originally by: Olipnius That makes him the greatest CEO ever. I don't think you "get" goons and should really step back and let some of the tried and true vets of smack who know goons come out. What's that? They are all gone? Lost 500 towers you say? Their fortress region in a matter of weeks you say? No real fighting back except from Mercenary Coalition 2 you say? Why I never. Anytime you feel sad. Alone, isolated, depressed, misunderstood. Tell people that they don't get you. GoonSwarm, a place for the lonely and misunderstood. They understand. Well yeah and all you guys are buttes Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
George Clinton Minmatar Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:44:00 - [370] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Xiobe Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Except that Stofferninjapirate, formerly an expert on EVETV for the alliance tournaments suddenly showed up as CCP Soundwave during the last alliance tournaments. there was nothing sudden about it you idiot. i miss stoffer. Geez, nerve? CEO in jail, go. Sesfan being is jail is p. much the sweetest thing ever it is very similar to you losing supercaps
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:45:00 - [371] hey i should rpobably get a new sig Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
LifeLines Caldari Lithuanians Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:45:00 - [372] Originally by: George Clinton Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Xiobe Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Except that Stofferninjapirate, formerly an expert on EVETV for the alliance tournaments suddenly showed up as CCP Soundwave during the last alliance tournaments. there was nothing sudden about it you idiot. i miss stoffer. Geez, nerve? CEO in jail, go. Sesfan being is jail is p. much the sweetest thing ever it is very similar to you losing supercaps LOL WAT DID HE DO?
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:47:00 - [373] ugh i can't its locked not just edited i have to email mitnal or something :'( Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
enjoi Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:47:00 - [374] Originally by: Swamp Ziro hey i should rpobably get a new sig I remember when your posts used to be epic :( Real men structure tank.
George Clinton Minmatar Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:47:00 - [375] He fought the law and the law won
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:48:00 - [376] Originally by: LifeLines LOL WAT DID HE DO? I think he went to a live concert with a knife in his pocket or something equally hilarious Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:48:00 - [377] We just took down and put up a ****load of towers just to change our name from Epitoth Fleetyards to Epitoth Guard. Thanks for making me feel all warm and fuzzy about spending the better of two weeks on that namechange because renaming policy used to be 'no way'. ----- Amarrian Diaries - from the Faithful for the Faithful
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:49:00 - [378] Originally by: enjoi Originally by: Swamp Ziro hey i should rpobably get a new sig I remember when your posts used to be epic :( I was always a pretty bad poster but hey buddy thanks a lot for this :unsmith: It really means something Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
George Clinton Minmatar Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:53:00 - [379] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: LifeLines LOL WAT DID HE DO? I think he went to a live concert with a knife in his pocket or something equally hilarious wasnt it a gun and wasnt he hella wasted
Nick Curso Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:54:00 - [380] Originally by: George Clinton Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: LifeLines LOL WAT DID HE DO? I think he went to a live concert with a knife in his pocket or something equally hilarious wasnt it a gun and wasnt he hella wasted Heard he had a license for the gun but not for the batton or something.
Xiobe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:54:00 - [381] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Geez, nerve? CEO in jail, go. oh i see! soz m8m8m8 i mistook you for someone that knew wtf, never mind, you have fun posting now! ( ^~^)b -- lose. their. they're. there. couldn't care less. lego. colour. flavour.
LifeLines Caldari Lithuanians Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:56:00 - [382] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: LifeLines LOL WAT DID HE DO? I think he went to a live concert with a knife in his pocket or something equally hilarious man thats pro.. i was hoping for an "assault with deadly laser" tho xD
Poopsock Alarmclock Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:56:00 - [383] Originally by: enjoi Originally by: Swamp Ziro hey i should rpobably get a new sig I remember when your posts used to be epic :( I remember when you had space
enjoi Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:58:00 - [384] I see what you did there! It's okay man, we empire hustlin' now fo' sho, rayeeeeet? Real men structure tank.
MotorBreath Minmatar Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:59:00 - [385] Edited by: MotorBreath on 24/03/2009 14:59:16 Dearly beloved, Celtic Anarchy and Force of Evil extend their best wishes and heartfelt condolences with .BoB.'s new name. We have never been really fond of Band of Brothers (reloaded or not) but the recent re-tarded, childish nerd rage exhibited by Goonswarm and their socially inept parallels, has nudged us towards unexpected fondness for these former overlords. Speaking on behalf of Force of Evil (if not, they can just fire me), we congratulate Band of Brothers Reloaded with their new name and offer our moral support in this epic forum war. I thought the name was kind of lame to begin with, but because of the morally bankrupt outrage exhibited by Goonswarm and Pandemic POS huggers, I am beginning to like it. Long live BoB, reloaded. I am as always, at your service, - MotorBreath
Vincent Athen Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:59:00 - [386] Originally by: LifeLines Originally by: George Clinton Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Geez, nerve? CEO in jail, go. Sesfan being is jail is p. much the sweetest thing ever it is very similar to you losing supercaps LOL WAT DID HE DO? He was gambling in Havana~ He took a little risk~ Send lawyers, guns, and money~ Rem, get him outta this. Ha!
Poopsock Alarmclock Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:59:00 - [387] Originally by: Yonker In order to re-form quickly they had to use this already created Alliance with a different name, right? So, they had a choice... either lose Sov, or lose their name. They made a choice to keep sov. So what rule is it that says if you don't like the consequence of your decision... CCP will adjust the game to fit your needs? I'm sure A LOT of scammed people would like to petition CCP under this new rule of "Not having to take responsibility for your actions". this is pretty much the whole thing right here pubbies don't understand it because well :sov: beaver/GMs refuse to address it band of developers keeps on truckin
Xiobe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:00:00 - [388] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: LifeLines LOL WAT DID HE DO? I think he went to a live concert with a knife in his pocket or something equally hilarious Resisting Arrest. I shft you not. -- lose. their. they're. there. couldn't care less. lego. colour. flavour.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:00:00 - [389] Originally by: MotorBreath I thought the name was kind of lame to begin with, but because of the morally bankrupt outrage exhibited by Goonswarm and Pandemic POS huggers, I am beginning to like it. Long live BoB, reloaded. I am as always, at your service, - MotorBreath Oh my Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
Malusae Caldari House CHOAM Terrebellum	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:00:00 - [390] Originally by: O Thief 12 pages, and still no-one cares apart from some goons who were told to threadnaught about it no one cares and you can spam all you like, but the name is staying, the alliance isnt disbanding, and everyone is laughing at you keep it up As long as they just keep spamming this thread and stop making useless other threads. Goonies always ruin coad for the rest of us. Although to be fair, that is their mantra.
George Clinton Minmatar Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:05:00 - [391] Originally by: Nick Curso Originally by: George Clinton Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: LifeLines LOL WAT DID HE DO? I think he went to a live concert with a knife in his pocket or something equally hilarious wasnt it a gun and wasnt he hella wasted Heard he had a license for the gun but not for the batton or something. at least he didnt physically assault his arresting officer thats my turf
LifeLines Caldari Lithuanians Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:07:00 - [392] Originally by: Malusae Originally by: O Thief 12 pages, and still no-one cares apart from some goons who were told to threadnaught about it no one cares and you can spam all you like, but the name is staying, the alliance isnt disbanding, and everyone is laughing at you keep it up As long as they just keep spamming this thread and stop making useless other threads. Goonies always ruin coad for the rest of us. Although to be fair, that is their mantra. yea but what about beaver ruining EVE for the rest of us?(probably excluding you, cause you are genuinely sucking up to them. theres always a chance that you will get promoted to "Pet" rank, keep it up! slurpsluurp)
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:12:00 - [393] Originally by: Xiobe Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: LifeLines LOL WAT DID HE DO? I think he went to a live concert with a knife in his pocket or something equally hilarious Resisting Arrest. I shft you not. Seriously? Where I'm from they kill you for this Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:16:00 - [394] So the rumors are wrong, Sesfan is in jail for something as common as insurance fraud? How ungoony. :( Originally by: George Clinton Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Xiobe Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Except that Stofferninjapirate, formerly an expert on EVETV for the alliance tournaments suddenly showed up as CCP Soundwave during the last alliance tournaments. there was nothing sudden about it you idiot. i miss stoffer. Geez, nerve? CEO in jail, go. Sesfan being is jail is p. much the sweetest thing ever it is very similar to you losing supercaps
Baquack Obamailure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:19:00 - [395] sesfan isn't in jail. he logged in at the start of the delve invasion and then logged off forever. good times.
Xiobe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:19:00 - [396] Alien and Ungoony? :q: -- lose. their. they're. there. couldn't care less. lego. colour. flavour.
Queen Ba'Ku Minmatar Comply Or Die Retribution.	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:22:00 - [397] this thread deserved 14 pages?
LifeLines Caldari Lithuanians Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:23:00 - [398] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku this thread deserved 14 pages? thanks for contributing
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:24:00 - [399] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku this thread deserved 14 pages? every thread deserves 14 pages never stop posting Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:26:00 - [400] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr So the rumors are wrong, Sesfan is in jail for something as common as insurance fraud? How ungoony. :( Ah yes, now we're reframing ineptitude as "insurance fraud". gf
RahSun Minmatar Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:28:00 - [401] The problem I have with CCP's rationale: 1) The Kenzoku alliance already was in existence before BOB disbanded. I know. I fought them as Kenzoku (and watched them die) before the whole Haargoth fiasco. Just because new corps join, does that allow them to rename the entire alliance? Can Goonswarm do the same every time a new corp joins? 2) Other alliances whose names have had mispelings or cAPtilizaTion errors were apparently told to re do it from scratch (Stian Alliance / SUdden Death Squad), but former BOB/Kenzoku gets to find a GM willing to bend the rules just for them. When Ars Caelestis, my former corp, was forcibly disbanded by our CEO, he camped the corp name so we couldn't reform under it. Ars Ex Discordia didn't just emigrate en masse to an alt corp though. We reformed under our own new name, Ars Ex Discordia, after putting a day's worth of thought and effort into it. CCP would not let the 200 + players keep the corp name over the single CEO that had taken it from us, but we made do and grew from it. The fact that BOBR or .BOB. or RKZ or whatever name they want to be called this month can't do it and need to have GM's interfere on their behalf is not only disingenuous, but also shows faults with the way in which their leadership & the GM's involved handle things.
Aiden Tyrik Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:29:00 - [402] Originally by: Rand Paul What's in a name? That which we call a turd by any other name would smell as bad~~ So Kenzoku would, were they not Kenzoku called, Retain that incompetence which they owe without that title Gokus, doff your name And for that name which is no part of thee Lose all of Delve~~ :)
Dura Kelkin Amarr freelancers inc Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:30:00 - [403] Muaahahahahhahahahahahhahaaaaaaaaahahahaha
Talzaris Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:31:00 - [404] Originally by: ThorTheGreat Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr So the rumors are wrong, Sesfan is in jail for something as common as insurance fraud? How ungoony. :( Ah yes, now we're reframing ineptitude as "insurance fraud". gf I always officer/deadspace-fit my ships before I insurance fraud them, don't you?
WhiteSnake Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:35:00 - [405] Are you talking about some kind of space bushido? As you have clearly stated there is no such a thing the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:35:00 - [406] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku this thread deserved 14 pages? every thread about BOB deserves 14 pages never stop posting Fixed. _________________________________
LifeLines Caldari Lithuanians Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:37:00 - [407] Edited by: LifeLines on 24/03/2009 15:37:32 Originally by: WhiteSnake Are you talking about some kind of space bushido? As you have clearly stated there is no such a thing we have pocket GMs on our side, live with it. you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs no u
Marcus Druallis Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:38:00 - [408] Originally by: WhiteSnake Are you talking about some kind of space bushido? As you have clearly stated there is no such a thing the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs You didn't have to. --
Betadurin Minmatar Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:45:00 - [409] Originally by: WhiteSnake ..., you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs You didn't have to, so why should we?
Oran Sound Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:46:00 - [410] Edited by: Oran Sound on 24/03/2009 15:45:54 Originally by: WhiteSnake Are you talking about some kind of space bushido? As you have clearly stated there is no such a thing the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs hehe
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:46:00 - [411] Originally by: WhiteSnake the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs If everyone took care of their business ingame there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. ___________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:52:00 - [412] HAHAHA. -----------------------------------
Lina Jakiri Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:52:00 - [413] Originally by: WhiteSnake you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs Haargoth did and you all whined about it incessently.
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:53:00 - [414] Originally by: Khandara Seraphim Originally by: WhiteSnake the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs If everyone took care of their business ingame there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. exactly, BOB wouldn't even exist without the t20 bpos Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Euriti Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:53:00 - [415] Originally by: WhiteSnake the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs way to own yourself
Lizhia Birath Minmatar Rogue Industrial Group The Fifth Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:56:00 - [416] Originally by: WhiteSnake Are you talking about some kind of space bushido? As you have clearly stated there is no such a thing the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs Oh **** son
Chairman Lmao Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:02:00 - [417] Originally by: WhiteSnake Are you talking about some kind of space bushido? As you have clearly stated there is no such a thing the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs Never stop posting bro. Just... never stop posting.
thelung187 Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:04:00 - [418] Originally by: Vina HAHAHA. [15:13] <Kayosoni> this is just going tobe the fight that puts goons in their place [15:13] <Kayosoni> they will fail to take delve when have sov lvl 0
Marius Duvall Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:08:00 - [419] Originally by: WhiteSnake Are you talking about some kind of space bushido? As you have clearly stated there is no such a thing the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs Thanks for this.
Derek Shmawesome Minmatar We Know Derek	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:14:00 - [420] Originally by: WhiteSnake Are you talking about some kind of space bushido? As you have clearly stated there is no such a thing the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs Oh the irony! :rofl:
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:24:00 - [421] Originally by: WhiteSnake Are you talking about some kind of space bushido? As you have clearly stated there is no such a thing the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs Now, THAT is a post.
Furry Crusader Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:35:00 - [422] Why all the whining. The new name is awesome. BEAVER BEAVER BEAVER BEAVER BEAVER BEAVER BEAVER BEAVER BEAVER BEAVER BEAVER BEAVER!
VCBee2777 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:43:00 - [423] Originally by: WhiteSnake Are you talking about some kind of space bushido? As you have clearly stated there is no such a thing the alliance name have changed, live with that and stop crying in CAOD forums, you wanna do something? do it ingame ffs We took Delve in-game
Proud American Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:43:00 - [424] I'm dining in NOL IN-GAME right now
Of Montreal Gallente CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:44:00 - [425] Wasn't there a corp while in goonswarm that got a free name change while still in the alliance? It was Porch Monkeys on Parade and got changed to Corp 8273762 or something like that? Devsploits maybe?
VCBee2777 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:46:00 - [426] Originally by: Of Montreal Wasn't there a corp while in goonswarm that got a free name change while still in the alliance? It was Porch Monkeys on Parade and got changed to Corp 8273762 or something like that? Devsploits maybe? changing names because they are offensive or violate the EULA is not the same thing as changing names because you don't like them
Keflin Geard Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:53:00 - [427] Look on the bright side - you can find something new to whine about.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:55:00 - [428] Originally by: Keflin Geard Look on the bright side - you can find something new to whine about. I'm whining about your slow invasion of delve, hurry up!! Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
Qlanth Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:55:00 - [429] Originally by: Of Montreal Wasn't there a corp while in goonswarm that got a free name change while still in the alliance? It was Porch Monkeys on Parade and got changed to Corp 8273762 or something like that? Devsploits maybe? The corp name was porch monkeys on parade and it was changed because it was offense and you should know you **ing because you probably petitioned it. ** you, the guy who made it loved that racist name.
Of Montreal Gallente CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:56:00 - [430] Originally by: VCBee2777 Edited by: VCBee2777 on 24/03/2009 16:50:52 Originally by: Of Montreal Wasn't there a corp while in goonswarm that got a free name change while still in the alliance? It was Porch Monkeys on Parade and got changed to Corp 8273762 or something like that? Devsploits maybe? changing a name because it's offensive and violates the EULA is not the same thing as changing a name because a player doesn't like that name If you've every eaten at Kenzoku's Hibachi & Sushi in Irving, TX you'd find the name very offensive.
George Clinton Minmatar Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:00:00 - [431] Originally by: Of Montreal If you've every eaten at Kenzoku's Hibachi & Sushi in Irving, TX you'd find the name very offensive. http://www.kenzoku-restaurant.com/ "KENZOKU IS CLOSED FOR BUSINESS" lmbo life imitates art
Of Montreal Gallente CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:01:00 - [432] Originally by: Qlanth Originally by: Of Montreal Wasn't there a corp while in goonswarm that got a free name change while still in the alliance? It was Porch Monkeys on Parade and got changed to Corp 8273762 or something like that? Devsploits maybe? The corp name was porch monkeys on parade and it was changed because it was offense and you should know you **ing because you probably petitioned it. ** you, the guy who made it loved that racist name. Yeah that name was pretty clever, tell Cleadis I'm sorry.
Keflin Geard Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:01:00 - [433] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Keflin Geard Look on the bright side - you can find something new to whine about. I'm whining about your slow invasion of delve, hurry up!! 2 min. Not Bad. Not bad at all.
CL0VERFIELD Minmatar Carley Group	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:15:00 - [434] doens matter folks 2010 comes Band of Brothers Revolution so ...
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:20:00 - [435] I voted Windowmaker Allaince, but they wouldn't have it :(
Tivookz Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:21:00 - [436] Edited by: Tivookz on 24/03/2009 17:20:58 Band of brothers reloaded huh.. did u know that bobr translates into hairy pu$$y in Polish? Tiv __________________________________________________ Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:22:00 - [437] Originally by: Tivookz Edited by: Tivookz on 24/03/2009 17:20:58 Band of brothers reloaded huh.. did u know that bobr translates into hairy pu$$y in Polish? Tiv 14 pages late, maestro.
Chairman Lmao Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:34:00 - [438] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Tivookz Edited by: Tivookz on 24/03/2009 17:20:58 Band of brothers reloaded huh.. did u know that bobr translates into hairy pu$$y in Polish? Tiv 14 pages late, maestro. So Waagaa, do you think BOBR is licked for good, or do you guys have something more in you?
Ria Sotori Caldari Poor Old Ornery nOObs	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:39:00 - [439] Originally by: VCBee2777 Edited by: VCBee2777 on 24/03/2009 16:50:52 Originally by: Of Montreal Wasn't there a corp while in goonswarm that got a free name change while still in the alliance? It was Porch Monkeys on Parade and got changed to Corp 8273762 or something like that? Devsploits maybe? changing a name because it's offensive and violates the EULA is not the same thing as changing a name because a player doesn't like that name Hate to say this but on that point the bee is right. Therefore I suggest everyone in Eve petition any corp or alliance with the word GOON in it since the number one definition for the term is a description of a mentally challenged individual and is therefore derogatory or "hate speech" as defined by the same EULA. I think we all should thank Vcbee2777 of Eve Corp 84723 of Eve Alliance 87662 for bringing this to our attention.
Marius Duvall Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:49:00 - [440] Oh man, you're just too smart for us simple minded goons.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:49:00 - [441] Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 24/03/2009 17:50:03 Originally by: Ria Sotori the number one definition for the term is a description of a mentally challenged individual and is therefore derogatory or "hate speech" as defined by the same EULA. You sir, have forgotten about the word '****' and now I am afraid I must bid you good day. Ed: Welp, it's pretty clear that **** is considered hate speech but goon isn't. I'm not sure how successful your petition will be.
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:56:00 - [442] Originally by: Chairman Lmao Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Tivookz Edited by: Tivookz on 24/03/2009 17:20:58 Band of brothers reloaded huh.. did u know that bobr translates into hairy pu$$y in Polish? Tiv 14 pages late, maestro. So Waagaa, do you think BOBR is licked for good, or do you guys have something more in you? Bravo goon sir.
Maxim Powers Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:02:00 - [443] Originally by: OldPueblo Bravo goon sir. yesss all my 5s
Myz Toyou Minmatar Ministry of Destruction SCUM.	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:05:00 - [444] Will you BOBR guys wear this at BBQ 09 ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature image exceeds the maximum allo
Cemic Cemezon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:20:00 - [445] Originally by: Chairman Lmao Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Tivookz Edited by: Tivookz on 24/03/2009 17:20:58 Band of brothers reloaded huh.. did u know that bobr translates into hairy pu$$y in Polish? Tiv 14 pages late, maestro. So Waagaa, do you think BOBR is licked for good, or do you guys have something more in you? Wow, you put that one right up!
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Freedom From Fear Industries The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:24:00 - [446] Originally by: Keflin Geard Look on the bright side - you can find something new to whine about. to recap... after previous ccp cheating for bob... an IA department was created to PREVENT further ccp cheating for bob. CSMs were created to not only suggest changes for the game, but to help PREVENT further ccp cheating for bob. Eve has a boxed edition out now, to attract new customers. New customers come to Eve, in hopes of getting a head start on ambulation/walking in stations. Bob loses their name, due to dirty tricks, the likes of which BOB has never had issues pulling themselves (this is in addition to CCP cheating for BOB). and so, with all these safeguards inplace, ccp and bob show all the NEW players... exactly why people have complained repeatedly, over the YEARS.... about CCP cheating for BOB. brilliant! or is it not cheating? does everyone get to rename their alliances with 25+ characters AND keep their sovereignty??? is the absolute rule of "disband and reform under the new name" not an absolute rule anymore? or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Freedom From Fear Industries The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:26:00 - [447] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku this thread deserved 14 pages? according to the locks CCP Navigator (and possibly others) have been placing on other threads... this is one of the two official "complain about ccp cheating for bob AGAIN" threads.
King Dave Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:32:00 - [448] Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB. Yeh, that name change certainly gave bob an advantage! Damn you CCP for being so biased!
Rick Thwaites Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:34:00 - [449] Quote: Hi Rick Thwaites, GM Nicky Arikado here. Thank you for contacting customer support. Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience. However we can't change your name as we have a strict policy about it. You can find more infos about it here https://support.eve-online.com/Pages...cle.aspx?id=37 Best regards, GM Nicky Arikado EVE Online Customer Support = (. --
The Slayer Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:39:00 - [450] Originally by: King Dave Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB. Yeh, that name change certainly gave bob an advantage! Damn you CCP for being so biased! Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again) and having to fork out a billion isk for the new name (pocket change I know but they dont have r64's any more so...).
King Dave Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:48:00 - [451] Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 18:49:16 Originally by: The Slayer Originally by: King Dave Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB. Yeh, that name change certainly gave bob an advantage! Damn you CCP for being so biased! Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again) and having to fork out a billion isk for the new name (pocket change I know but they dont have r64's any more so...). I don't see how that matters as you are the uber powerful goonswarm? They shouldn't of had any space anyway to have sov?!
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:49:00 - [452] Originally by: The Slayer Originally by: King Dave Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB. Yeh, that name change certainly gave bob an advantage! Damn you CCP for being so biased! Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again) and having to fork out a billion isk for the new name (pocket change I know but they dont have r64's any more so...). IMHO: You will NEVER have certainty that the game isn't rigged. Human beings are (in large enough numbers) going to have a few who break the rules. THAT is a certainty. Asking for a large corporation (CCP) to be 100% honest, 100% of the time, is naive (again, imho). You want to REALLY get CCP's attention, you will cancel your account - en mass. Complaining on the boards will probably (imho) accomplish nothing. Getting 2500 people to cancel accounts, even temporarily, will make them sit up and take notice. If you can get an entire (unnamed) 0.0 alliance to cancel for one day - that would get the accountants and administrators on the case of the GM's/Developers to fix this NOW! Otherwise, welcome to GM/Devs Eve-Online... And don't be surprised when it goes to p****! No, I have no affiliation with any 0.0 entity, yes, this is my main, no I don't work for CCP... ________________________________________ Honor is that which you do when no one else is looking.
Graubart Gallente Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:00:00 - [453] Band of Developers
KeratinBoy Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:01:00 - [454] Originally by: King Dave I don't see how that matters as you are the uber powerful goonswarm? They shouldn't of had any space anyway to have sov?! If you cheat when you are winning, you are a cheater and your accomplishments mean nothing. If you cheat when you are losing, you are a cheater and your accomplishments mean nothing. TAFKABoBTKNBoBRASJF:LFKJEI can't get ahead either way, which is ludicrous compared to their proclamations of 1337ness. Even with the deck stacked in their favour time and again, no lessons learned, no ability to do anything other than hide behind favouritism and broken mechanics. Hell, their biggest supporter is Jade Constantine. What does that tell you?
Marius Duvall Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:04:00 - [455] Originally by: King Dave Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 18:49:16 Originally by: The Slayer Originally by: King Dave Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB. Yeh, that name change certainly gave bob an advantage! Damn you CCP for being so biased! Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again) and having to fork out a billion isk for the new name (pocket change I know but they dont have r64's any more so...). I don't see how that matters as you are the uber powerful goonswarm? They shouldn't of had any space anyway to have sov?! You're pretty dumb.
Lord WarATron Amarr Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:08:00 - [456] Originally by: The Slayer Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again) So you want CCP to nerf their sov again, rather than claim space by shooting stuff? I think you spent too much time working in Gala Bingo mate -- Billion Isk Mission
King Dave Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:14:00 - [457] Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 19:20:31 Originally by: Marius Duvall You're pretty dumb. You take this game pretty seriously for a goonie. Originally by: KeratinBoy If you cheat when you are winning, you are a cheater and your accomplishments mean nothing. If you cheat when you are losing, you are a cheater and your accomplishments mean nothing. TAFKABoBTKNBoBRASJF:LFKJEI can't get ahead either way, which is ludicrous compared to their proclamations of 1337ness. Even with the deck stacked in their favour time and again, no lessons learned, no ability to do anything other than hide behind favouritism and broken mechanics. Hell, their biggest supporter is Jade Constantine. What does that tell you? It doesn't actually tell me anything, i hardly read these forums, i thought Jade got caod banned years ago? Anyway, I don't see how bob having their name changed is actually an advantage? I mean, you can surely steam-roll the insignificant space they own anyway?
Varaxian Amarr Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:19:00 - [458] And so are you for taking pixle games to serious.
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:20:00 - [459] Originally by: Lord WarATron So you want CCP to nerf their sov again, rather than claim space by shooting stuff? I think you spent too much time working in Gala Bingo mate No, all anyone wants is CCP to either a) rename BoBR to Kenzoku, and let them use IN GAME MECHANISMS to change their name, just like anyone else would have to. or b) Allow anyone to change their Alliance/Corporation/Character name via the petition system. Anything other than one of these two options suggests that while we are all equal, some are more equal than others.
King Dave Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:22:00 - [460] Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 19:26:36 Originally by: Varaxian And so are you for taking pixle games to serious. I have been playing since 03, i'm not gonna lie and pretend i don't take eve seriously :P Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi a) rename BoBR to Kenzoku, and let them use IN GAME MECHANISMS to change their name, just like anyone else would have to. Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. It would be wrong if CCP didn't have any support for them (Customer loyalty?). Considering your sole mission in this game was to disrupt everyone else's gameplay, i don't see why CCP should favour your alliance atall? I think you guys are just jealous and annoyed your called Goonswarm.
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:34:00 - [461] Originally by: King Dave Bob was the oldest alliance ingame Not true actually. The Phoenix Alliance still exists ya know. Plus there's this alliance run by thins guy called Chribba... "Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
Marcus Druallis Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:34:00 - [462] Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 24/03/2009 19:35:18 Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 24/03/2009 19:34:32 Originally by: King Dave Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 19:26:36 Originally by: Varaxian And so are you for taking pixle games to serious. I have been playing since 03, i'm not gonna lie and pretend i don't take eve seriously :P Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi a) rename BoBR to Kenzoku, and let them use IN GAME MECHANISMS to change their name, just like anyone else would have to. Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. It would be wrong if CCP didn't have any support for them (Customer loyalty?). Considering your sole mission in this game was to disrupt everyone else's gameplay, i don't see why CCP should favour your alliance atall? I think you guys are just jealous and annoyed your called Goonswarm. They have already shown their support to customer loyalty when they cheated for them in the past. Now it's favoritism --
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:37:00 - [463] Originally by: King Dave You take this game pretty seriously for a goonie. It is kind of odd how the goons will scam and swindle and do all kinds of mischief and then cry bitter tears if they think something is unfair. *Let My People Go*
King Dave Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:37:00 - [464] Originally by: Marcus Druallis They have already shown their support to customer loyalty when they cheated for them in the past. Now it's favoritism Well i don't see why your whining, they have hardly any space left anyway? Originally by: Himo Amasacia Originally by: King Dave Bob was the oldest alliance ingame Not true actually. The Phoenix Alliance still exists ya know. Plus there's this alliance run by thins guy called Chribba... Those alliances are relevant too i suppose. Considering they own less space than the alliance which was bob.
Yonker Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:39:00 - [465] Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Originally by: The Slayer Originally by: King Dave Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB. Yeh, that name change certainly gave bob an advantage! Damn you CCP for being so biased! Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again) and having to fork out a billion isk for the new name (pocket change I know but they dont have r64's any more so...). IMHO: You will NEVER have certainty that the game isn't rigged. Human beings are (in large enough numbers) going to have a few who break the rules. THAT is a certainty. Asking for a large corporation (CCP) to be 100% honest, 100% of the time, is naive (again, imho). You want to REALLY get CCP's attention, you will cancel your account - en mass. Complaining on the boards will probably (imho) accomplish nothing. Getting 2500 people to cancel accounts, even temporarily, will make them sit up and take notice. If you can get an entire (unnamed) 0.0 alliance to cancel for one day - that would get the accountants and administrators on the case of the GM's/Developers to fix this NOW! Otherwise, welcome to GM/Devs Eve-Online... And don't be surprised when it goes to p****! No, I have no affiliation with any 0.0 entity, yes, this is my main, no I don't work for CCP... ________________________________________ Pretty sure the T20 scandal showed that a large body of players has the ability to affect the company in other ways than simply canceling their account.
Marius Duvall Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:45:00 - [466] Originally by: Poreuomai It is kind of odd how the goons will scam and swindle and do all kinds of mischief and then cry bitter tears if they think something is unfair. Game mechanics vs. GM intervention.
Lieutenant EXTREME Amarr Maximum Pulsing Golden Laser Geddongs with Lasers	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:48:00 - [467] Originally by: King Dave Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 19:26:36 Originally by: Varaxian And so are you for taking pixle games to serious. I have been playing since 03, i'm not gonna lie and pretend i don't take eve seriously :P Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi a) rename BoBR to Kenzoku, and let them use IN GAME MECHANISMS to change their name, just like anyone else would have to. Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. It would be wrong if CCP didn't have any support for them (Customer loyalty?). Considering your sole mission in this game was to disrupt everyone else's gameplay, i don't see why CCP should favour your alliance atall? I think you guys are just jealous and annoyed your called Goonswarm. How are you this dumb for an '03 player? "Hey let's favor the older alliances with special favors to make it even more sucky for newer players."
Piggyblink Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:51:00 - [468] Originally by: Poreuomai Originally by: King Dave You take this game pretty seriously for a goonie. It is kind of odd how the goons will scam and swindle and do all kinds of mischief and then cry bitter tears if they think something is unfair. Scamming and swindling is 100% allowed for everyone in Eve, name changes are not, you are pretty dumb.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:01:00 - [469] Making petitions is also allowed. *Let My People Go*
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:04:00 - [470] Originally by: Poreuomai Making petitions is also allowed. Yesterday, I petitioned to change the name of one of my alts. If it is accepted, I will complain no more. If it is denied, then this whole enterprise remains worthwhile.
Soldis Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:09:00 - [471] With what the cheating DEV/GM did, Kenzoku member corporations don't even have Kenzoku in their Alliance History tab. There is NO precendant for this.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:09:00 - [472] Originally by: Poreuomai Making petitions is also allowed. Stian Empire really should have petitioned the spelling mistake in their name instead of having to disband and reform a new alliance costing an extra bil, and resetting all sov. oh, hang on. Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
john roe Caldari Children of Gjallarhorn	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:11:00 - [473] Originally by: Soldis With what the cheating DEV/GM did, Kenzoku member corporations don't even have Kenzoku in their Alliance History tab. There is NO precendant for this. precedEnt* fixed it for'ya
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:12:00 - [474] Originally by: King Dave Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. Since it obviously needs to be repeated: SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Unfortunately, Haargoth had the same roles in Tinfoil as SirMolle, and was only able to close the alliance in minutes because SirMolle had already removed the in-game safeguards. Claiming that the disbanding of Bob was unfair is the same as saying that a person who didn't wear a helmet while motorcycling, then died of a head injury, died unfairly. In both cases, the safeguards were available, but they were willfully ignored.
King Dave Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:15:00 - [475] Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 20:15:49 Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi Originally by: King Dave Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. Since it obviously needs to be repeated: SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Unfortunately, Haargoth had the same roles in Tinfoil as SirMolle, and was only able to close the alliance in minutes because SirMolle had already removed the in-game safeguards. Claiming that the disbanding of Bob was unfair is the same as saying that a person who didn't wear a helmet while motorcycling, then died of a head injury, died unfairly. In both cases, the safeguards were available, but they were willfully ignored. Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about.
Soldis Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:21:00 - [476] Originally by: King Dave Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 20:15:49 Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi Originally by: King Dave Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. Since it obviously needs to be repeated: SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Unfortunately, Haargoth had the same roles in Tinfoil as SirMolle, and was only able to close the alliance in minutes because SirMolle had already removed the in-game safeguards. Claiming that the disbanding of Bob was unfair is the same as saying that a person who didn't wear a helmet while motorcycling, then died of a head injury, died unfairly. In both cases, the safeguards were available, but they were willfully ignored. Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about. If you don't have anything valid to post, shut up. Being screwed over for your own mistake is not the same as asking for DEV help because your alliance sucks.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:25:00 - [477] Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Silly Goon. It doesn't work like that. Regardless of the share status in the executor corp you can still instantly kick alliances and disband the alliance. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:26:00 - [478] Edited by: Gail Sohmbadi on 24/03/2009 20:26:58 Originally by: Soldis If you don't have anything valid to post, shut up. Being screwed over for your own mistake is not the same as asking for DEV help because your alliance sucks. QFT. Originally by: King Dave Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about. Yours was just the most recent post to ignore the facts. There were a lot of others missing this very salient point for the last several pages. (Hint: Transgendered roleplaying space prostitutes) Edit: Speak of the devil!!! ^^^^
Retepp Nedsmul Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:26:00 - [479] This is terrible. I started playing Eve because of all the the latest Goonswarm/BoB antics. This game is so great because all the content is player driven. No other MMO is like this. Anything within the mechanics of the game is considered fair. The concept that a GM can affect the actions between corporations behaving within the game mechanics is inexcusable in Eve. I joined up for the opportunity to possibly be involved in something truly unique in this genre, but if the devs will just roll back stuff like this, why the hell am I playing this game over some other random MMO.
KeratinBoy Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:27:00 - [480] Originally by: King Dave Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about. Stop being so obtuse. There is no correlation between holding space and the age of an Alliance. Until now. It is an anomaly in favour of an entity that has colluded with CCP before. Continually showing favour to an entity, even after safeguards were put in place, does nothing but wreck any faith in those safeguards. Clarification was sought and, yet again, CCP's official post on the matter did not contain any relevant information. Either petitions to change names outside of game mechanics are now granted for all or IA have had their authority destroyed. CCP need to pick one.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:30:00 - [481] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Silly Goon. It doesn't work like that. Regardless of the share status in the executor corp you can still instantly kick alliances and disband the alliance. Why Molle didn't got sure that only him could push the red button at the first time ? This is the true problem. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) > soon(tm) \o/
Renax Minmatar Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:37:00 - [482] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Silly Goon. It doesn't work like that. Regardless of the share status in the executor corp you can still instantly kick alliances and disband the alliance. Why Molle didn't got sure that only him could push the red button at the first time ? This is the true problem. actually the true problem would be listening and actually debating anything with jade constantine about anything having to do with 0.0
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:39:00 - [483] Originally by: Renax Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Silly Goon. It doesn't work like that. Regardless of the share status in the executor corp you can still instantly kick alliances and disband the alliance. Why Molle didn't got sure that only him could push the red button at the first time ? This is the true problem. actually the true problem would be listening and actually debating anything with jade constantine about anything having to do with 0.0 Cool, it's a alliance problem. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) > soon(tm) \o/
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:40:00 - [484] Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul This is terrible. I started playing Eve because of all the the latest Goonswarm/BoB antics. This game is so great because all the content is player driven. No other MMO is like this. Anything within the mechanics of the game is considered fair. The concept that a GM can affect the actions between corporations behaving within the game mechanics is inexcusable in Eve. I joined up for the opportunity to possibly be involved in something truly unique in this genre, but if the devs will just roll back stuff like this, why the hell am I playing this game over some other random MMO. You really shouldn't listen to all the hype. Back when I started in 2003 I was part of a fleet battle in Venal where we had assembled a 100 ship fleet to camp a gate to block an incoming 100 ship pirate group from coming to raid and pillage our space empire. (Back then that was a ALOT). Anyways we deployed many many spacemines round the jump-in point and waited - thinking that the incoming fleet would be damaged and more susceptable to our guns as a result. Only the pirate fleet petitioned against us for intentionally creating lag (by deploying space mines) and the GM teleported their entire group past our gatecamp to somewhere else in our system and let them continue on their rampage. As a result we ended up engaging in less than optimal circumstances and lost our fleet and in the coming days that defeat was magnified into the eventual loss of the alliance in Venal. That was a GM action that changed the result of the entire campaign in essence. But here's the thing, we didn't threadnaught to the forums about it because we respected CCP GM's to be trying to do the right thing under difficult circumstances and sometimes you just need to accept the referees decision (even if you don't like it.) As a result of that action spacemines were eventually removed from the game because they could be abused to make "lag-traps" and were considered bring nothing much to space warfare. Anybody who has played eve-online for a little while at certain levels of seniority in organizational conflict will have a dozen little stories like this. These things happen. That day the teleportation of a fleet lost me a space empire Life goes on. No point crying foul about it. GMs are called to make decisions every day in Eve online, some are good, some are bad - some fair, some not, but ultimately its a hard unrewarding job that needs to be done. I mean who else would you trust as an arbitrator in these cases? Certainly not a howling forum mob of goons with chronic entitlement syndrome and epic blueballs from pointlessly camping a station for a month ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Malusae Caldari House CHOAM Terrebellum	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:41:00 - [485] Originally by: LifeLines Originally by: Malusae As long as they just keep spamming this thread and stop making useless other threads. Goonies always ruin coad for the rest of us. Although to be fair, that is their mantra. yea but what about beaver ruining EVE for the rest of us?(probably excluding you, cause you are genuinely sucking up to them. theres always a chance that you will get promoted to "Pet" rank, keep it up! slurpsluurp) I didn't say anything either way about "BOBR" and their name change. Honestly I'm not surprised, if the rumors of previous dev / gm favors are true, then it's not surprising that something like this occured. Anyways, there is a proposal that the CSM bring this issue to the next meeting, that's probably more constructive then whining about it in multiple threads. Just my opinion.
Vile rat Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:44:00 - [486] Originally by: King Dave Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 20:15:49 Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi Originally by: King Dave Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. Since it obviously needs to be repeated: SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Unfortunately, Haargoth had the same roles in Tinfoil as SirMolle, and was only able to close the alliance in minutes because SirMolle had already removed the in-game safeguards. Claiming that the disbanding of Bob was unfair is the same as saying that a person who didn't wear a helmet while motorcycling, then died of a head injury, died unfairly. In both cases, the safeguards were available, but they were willfully ignored. Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about. They were screwed over by valid legal in game actions and mechanics. Also they didn't have to change their name from KenZoku, that was just a little gift from the GM's because they felt sorry for them after denying their petition that clearly should have been denied.
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:46:00 - [487] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Why Molle didn't got sure that only him could push the red button at the first time ? This is the true problem. Not the clearest, but certainly the most accurate. It is a necessary function to kick member corporations from an alliance. It is not a privilege that should be given to all alliance members. It should be guarded carefully, to prevent misuse. In BoB's case, it was not guarded carefully, thus it was misused. This was no different than forgetting to lock a BPO, then having it stolen. Just on a much larger scale. I am sure that there are literally hundreds of corporations that have lost their assets to Goon infiltrators due to improper access controls. There will certainly be hundreds more. Having said that, have any of these maligned players ever received even one red ISK from CCP for their blunders? No. So why does The Band Of Developers suddenly get rewarded for exhibiting the same stupidity that has cost others the hard-earned fruits of their years of labour? Sure, you can dismiss my posting as "lol, goonie," but if you do, you do yourself a disservice by failing to see the favoritism that is clearly at work, where there should be none. Ask yourself how you would respond to this post if it had been written by a member of Eve University, or CVA, or literally, ANYONE ELSE. if your reaction would be different, then you have no business discussing this matter.
Poopsock Alarmclock Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:47:00 - [488] Originally by: Jade Constantine Only the pirate fleet petitioned against us for intentionally creating lag (by deploying space mines) and the GM teleported their entire group past our gatecamp to somewhere else in our system and let them continue on their rampage. As a result we ended up engaging in less than optimal circumstances and lost our fleet and in the coming days that defeat was magnified into the eventual loss of the alliance in Venal. ahahahaha can anyone who doesn't roleplay a tranny space prostitute c/d this pile of :cripesduck:
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:49:00 - [489] Originally by: Jade Constantine WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT Is this humbling defeat the reason you retired to space prostitution in empire space?
Doctor Poopies Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:52:00 - [490] Originally by: Jade Constantine You really shouldn't listen to all the hype. Back when I started in 2003 I was part of a fleet battle in Venal where we had assembled a 100 ship fleet to camp a gate to block an incoming 100 ship pirate group from coming to raid and pillage our space empire. (Back then that was a ALOT). Anyways we deployed many many spacemines round the jump-in point and waited - thinking that the incoming fleet would be damaged and more susceptable to our guns as a result. Only the pirate fleet petitioned against us for intentionally creating lag (by deploying space mines) and the GM teleported their entire group past our gatecamp to somewhere else in our system and let them continue on their rampage. As a result we ended up engaging in less than optimal circumstances and lost our fleet and in the coming days that defeat was magnified into the eventual loss of the alliance in Venal. That was a GM action that changed the result of the entire campaign in essence. But here's the thing, we didn't threadnaught to the forums about it because we respected CCP GM's to be trying to do the right thing under difficult circumstances and sometimes you just need to accept the referees decision (even if you don't like it.) As a result of that action spacemines were eventually removed from the game because they could be abused to make "lag-traps" and were considered bring nothing much to space warfare. Anybody who has played eve-online for a little while at certain levels of seniority in organizational conflict will have a dozen little stories like this. These things happen. That day the teleportation of a fleet lost me a space empire Life goes on. No point crying foul about it. GMs are called to make decisions every day in Eve online, some are good, some are bad - some fair, some not, but ultimately its a hard unrewarding job that needs to be done. I mean who else would you trust as an arbitrator in these cases? Certainly not a howling forum mob of goons with chronic entitlement syndrome and epic blueballs from pointlessly camping a station for a month market your posts as a sleeping aid jesus christ who cares
Mugari Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:55:00 - [491] So what you're basically saying, Jade, is that you're so used to bowing under the weighted fist of CCP that you've grown used to it. Not unlike a battered spouse who wonders what the big fuss is, "Oh, Jimmy always comes home after he gets drunk and slaps me around. It's all my fault, really, I forgot to have dinner warmed for him." Heaven forbid someone try to call Jimmy on his BS. So sad.
BBQ Organizer Minmatar Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:56:00 - [492] Way to steal our name and dub it after some ****ty movie asshats
Retepp Nedsmul Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:00:00 - [493] Edited by: Retepp Nedsmul on 24/03/2009 21:05:35 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul This is terrible. I started playing Eve because of all the the latest Goonswarm/BoB antics. This game is so great because all the content is player driven. No other MMO is like this. Anything within the mechanics of the game is considered fair. The concept that a GM can affect the actions between corporations behaving within the game mechanics is inexcusable in Eve. I joined up for the opportunity to possibly be involved in something truly unique in this genre, but if the devs will just roll back stuff like this, why the hell am I playing this game over some other random MMO. Space mine story That does suck that you lost your empire and everything, but I have the same reaction to that as this. Neither should happen. They want to stop space mine lagging, they should have banned mines like they eventually did. No gate camp hopping, nothing else. They want to fix the whole one guy essentially deleting an alliance? Then fix it so it doesn't happen again, but leave what happened untouched. While the action of fixing a name is fairly minor, it's the intent behind it and the slippery slope it's on. It's the principle in the end. It just seems like the devs are taking a dump on their games best feature, and what makes it unique. Uh, and forgive my newbness, I just looked you up after noting the replys you seem to get. Are you part of that CSM, player - developer connection thingy?
Lizhia Birath Minmatar Rogue Industrial Group The Fifth Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:01:00 - [494] Has ccp made any comments on what was so special with this petition that they granted the namechange? It's not like KenGoku was spelt wrong or anything. Surely there must be some better reason then "We don't like this alliance name we want our old back :(". I don't think CCP would grant such a silly wish since they were all out of alliance at the time and could just as easily have created a brand new alliance with any name they wanted. Do they still show up as Kengoku ingame if you search for them or has that been dealt with? And no Im not gonna empty my cache coz a) I dont know how to and b) I shouldnt have to since this is clearly something that is done regulary and shouldnt creat these kinds of silly problems. Also, is there a 24 letter restriction on alliance names as I read somewhere or was that just for characters and corporations?
King Dave Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:10:00 - [495] Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 21:15:53 Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 21:14:42 Originally by: Vile rat They were screwed over by valid legal in game actions and mechanics. Also they didn't have to change their name from KenZoku, that was just a little gift from the GM's because they felt sorry for them after denying their petition that clearly should have been denied. I think we have established all of that ex-corpie. Originally by: KeratinBoy Originally by: King Dave Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about. Stop being so obtuse. There is no correlation between holding space and the age of an Alliance. Until now. It is an anomaly in favour of an entity that has colluded with CCP before. Continually showing favour to an entity, even after safeguards were put in place, does nothing but wreck any faith in those safeguards. Clarification was sought and, yet again, CCP's official post on the matter did not contain any relevant information. Either petitions to change names outside of game mechanics are now granted for all or IA have had their authority destroyed. CCP need to pick one. Your awnser has nothing to do with my quote. I realise CCP has helped BOB alot, what you don't understand is that it you guys blowing things out of proportions and whining for the sake of whining and hating for the sake of hating. There wasn't a thread like this when CCP blew up m0o's ships! Imagine if CCP did that to goons, the servers which these forums are on would likely explode. Originally by: Mugari So what you're basically saying, Jade, is that you're so used to bowing under the weighted fist of CCP that you've grown used to it. Not unlike a battered spouse who wonders what the big fuss is, "Oh, Jimmy always comes home after he gets drunk and slaps me around. It's all my fault, really, I forgot to have dinner warmed for him." . Apart from, CCP own this game, so they can do what they see fit. If you don't like it the door is there.
Thodoros Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:18:00 - [496] Another blatand disregard about us the players(customers),by CCP. Ignoring their own rules and regulations and apply them on everyone else except the Koukouroukou alliance. Double standards indeed CCP. For me CCP is destroying our game and we should be the ones to put a break to them, pronto.
Renax Minmatar Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:25:00 - [497] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul This is terrible. I started playing Eve because of all the the latest Goonswarm/BoB antics. This game is so great because all the content is player driven. No other MMO is like this. Anything within the mechanics of the game is considered fair. The concept that a GM can affect the actions between corporations behaving within the game mechanics is inexcusable in Eve. I joined up for the opportunity to possibly be involved in something truly unique in this genre, but if the devs will just roll back stuff like this, why the hell am I playing this game over some other random MMO. You really shouldn't listen to all the hype. Back when I started in 2003 I was part of a fleet battle in Venal where we had assembled a 100 ship fleet to camp a gate to block an incoming 100 ship pirate group from coming to raid and pillage our space empire. (Back then that was a ALOT). Anyways we deployed many many spacemines round the jump-in point and waited - thinking that the incoming fleet would be damaged and more susceptable to our guns as a result. Only the pirate fleet petitioned against us for intentionally creating lag (by deploying space mines) and the GM teleported their entire group past our gatecamp to somewhere else in our system and let them continue on their rampage. As a result we ended up engaging in less than optimal circumstances and lost our fleet and in the coming days that defeat was magnified into the eventual loss of the alliance in Venal. That was a GM action that changed the result of the entire campaign in essence. But here's the thing, we didn't threadnaught to the forums about it because we respected CCP GM's to be trying to do the right thing under difficult circumstances and sometimes you just need to accept the referees decision (even if you don't like it.) As a result of that action spacemines were eventually removed from the game because they could be abused to make "lag-traps" and were considered bring nothing much to space warfare. Anybody who has played eve-online for a little while at certain levels of seniority in organizational conflict will have a dozen little stories like this. These things happen. That day the teleportation of a fleet lost me a space empire Life goes on. No point crying foul about it. GMs are called to make decisions every day in Eve online, some are good, some are bad - some fair, some not, but ultimately its a hard unrewarding job that needs to be done. I mean who else would you trust as an arbitrator in these cases? Certainly not a howling forum mob of goons with chronic entitlement syndrome and epic blueballs from pointlessly camping a station for a month I find it more likely to be that you wound up in venal doing missions and that the 100 man pirate gang were npc ratz... ps I also find it hard to believe that anyone who knows anything about this game would agree that you have seniority in anything pertaining to politics in eve especially in 0.0
Aurvundill Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:29:00 - [498] Can't let you do that, KenZoku!
Of Montreal Gallente CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:37:00 - [499] Originally by: Thodoros Another blatand disregard about us the players(customers),by CCP. Ignoring their own rules and regulations and apply them on everyone else except the Koukouroukou alliance. Double standards indeed CCP. For me CCP is destroying our game and we should be the ones to put a break to them, pronto. I agree 100%! You should protest by canceling your account(s).
Cemic Cemezon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:50:00 - [500] I'm usually not for whining, and despite my tag looks kinda objective on things on the forums without bee glasses. But god damnit, I have to admit that CCP have disappointed me in this matter.
Pudgy McFudge Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:13:00 - [501] Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul Edited by: Retepp Nedsmul on 24/03/2009 21:05:35 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul This is terrible. I started playing Eve because of all the the latest Goonswarm/BoB antics. This game is so great because all the content is player driven. No other MMO is like this. Anything within the mechanics of the game is considered fair. The concept that a GM can affect the actions between corporations behaving within the game mechanics is inexcusable in Eve. I joined up for the opportunity to possibly be involved in something truly unique in this genre, but if the devs will just roll back stuff like this, why the hell am I playing this game over some other random MMO. Space mine story That does suck that you lost your empire and everything, but I have the same reaction to that as this. Neither should happen. They want to stop space mine lagging, they should have banned mines like they eventually did. No gate camp hopping, nothing else. They want to fix the whole one guy essentially deleting an alliance? Then fix it so it doesn't happen again, but leave what happened untouched. While the action of fixing a name is fairly minor, it's the intent behind it and the slippery slope it's on. It's the principle in the end. It just seems like the devs are taking a dump on their games best feature, and what makes it unique. Uh, and forgive my newbness, I just looked you up after noting the replys you seem to get. Are you part of that CSM, player - developer connection thingy? ITT Jade Constantine gets out logiced by a complete noobie.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:13:00 - [502] Originally by: Aurvundill furrypic Get out furry!!!
Sandwich PvP Caldari The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:18:00 - [503] How many more Goon tears must be shed before this Goon travesty can be reversed? According to intel supplied by Goons they stole the name fair and square, and now the BOB has been reloaded! Outraged Goon supporters demand Goon justice! After all, aren't they now the Goon overlords? Aren't they worthy of being GM Goons as well? Since they won the war aren't they entitled to all the spoils? Surely all of the fine things that the Goons have done for the game should be rewarded.... Avi says "Kneel before the golden amarrian shaft of love, and all your questions will be answered" The only fight worth fighting is the one you should lose.
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:37:00 - [504] Originally by: Jade Constantine Life goes on. No point crying foul about it. GMs are called to make decisions every day in Eve online, some are good, some are bad - some fair, some not, but ultimately its a hard unrewarding job that needs to be done. I mean who else would you trust as an arbitrator in these cases? Certainly not a howling forum mob of goons with chronic entitlement syndrome and epic blueballs from pointlessly camping a station for a month the end is Near. Im agreeing with Jade , but personally the thought of goonies with blueballs makes me giggle
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:40:00 - [505] Originally by: Crimsonjade the end is Near. Im agreeing with Jade , but personally the thought of goonies with blueballs makes me giggle If you're in a position to see what color their balls are, you're probably not gonna enjoy what's going to happen next. -- Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:53:00 - [506] Lets be frank, if it was another alliance that this happened to there would be controversy, but not of this scale. This is a pretty big screw up in the eyes of many players, and a good barometer of this fact is the thread in CSM forum about this very topic. For instance that thread is bigger than the thread about the moon mining scandal. And to preempt those who would say that it is only goons/allies making noise, many of the people who have posted their concerns are from neutral and hostile alliances who just don't like to see a game they love being corrupted at any level. Now I know us goons are hated, I get that, but this isn't about us, hell it's not even really about bob, it's about CCP and costumer confidence.
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:55:00 - [507] Originally by: Montasque Lets be frank, if it was another alliance that this happened to there would be controversy, but not of this scale. This is a pretty big screw up in the eyes of many players, and a good barometer of this fact is the thread in CSM forum about this very topic. For instance that thread is bigger than the thread about the moon mining scandal. And to preempt those who would say that it is only goons/allies making noise, many of the people who have posted their concerns are from neutral and hostile alliances who just don't like to see a game they love being corrupted at any level. Now I know us goons are hated, I get that, but this isn't about us, hell it's not even really about bob, it's about CCP and costumer confidence. i'm not Frank, but pls cancel your account goonies and show the big meenies(CCP) how much you care
King Dave Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:12:00 - [508] Originally by: Montasque Now I know us goons are hated, I get that, but this isn't about us, hell it's not even really about bob, it's about CCP and costumer confidence. If it was about that, this would be one of the smallest concerns.
Jay Dilla Caldari Tainted Industries Barrel of Monkeys	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:31:00 - [509] Originally by: King Dave Apart from, CCP own this game, so they can do what they see fit. If you don't like it the door is there. Stop trying to ruin the game we play, ccp changing an alliance name isn't actualy ruining anyone's gameplay. Grow up. You as half of other ppl posting here missing the whole point. The point is that while everyone else was denied changing their alliance name BoB however gets it changed. BoB was disbanded fair and square. It was human flaws nothing to do with game mechanics! CCP owns this game, but customers pay their wages. So pls pack that little brain you brought down here and exit is that way ---->
Morning Mist Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:32:00 - [510] Originally by: Jade Constantine pointlessly camping a station for a month Pointless like any seniority you've ever had.
MirrorGod Amarr Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:37:00 - [511] Originally by: Aurvundill goonfggotry.jpg Can't let you do that, KenZoku!* GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT [center]
Susung Caldari Alt Anti-defamation League	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:46:00 - [512] i'm not Frank, but pls cancel your account goonies and show the big meenies(CCP) how much you care Holy crap would you dang goonies just shut up. Are you ever gonna stop ****ing and moaning about every little thing. You have clogged CAOD with your moronic tripe for months now you keep beating this dead horse. I don't think this was necessarily right but for christ sake it was a simple name change. You now have one of the best playgrounds in the game are you happy? NO! What happened to the bees? I remember when the goons first came into the game I thought, 'Man those guys are having fun wish i had thought of a velator blob.' I played that video over and over. Are you still having fun? Sure don't sound like it. Do us both a favor find another game guys.
Joakim Saxon Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:58:00 - [513] Goons wouldn't exist if they weren't having fun. The only dead and defeated goon is a bored goon.
Pseudothei Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:03:00 - [514] The preliminary findings indicate that what happened was simply an unpoliced substandard GM doing his job ingame. He changed the alliance name in order to access their POS, which was bugged. Chill guys, it's not like it's the first time Kenny is privy to this sort of preferential treatment.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:19:00 - [515] Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul That does suck that you lost your empire and everything, but I have the same reaction to that as this. Neither should happen. They want to stop space mine lagging, they should have banned mines like they eventually did. No gate camp hopping, nothing else. It doesn't really suck, that wasn't my point. I was illustrating that GM's make hard calls in difficult situations that will inevitably upset one side or another. In this case the GM in question probably felt he was doing us all a favour and triggering a spaceship fight away from the jump-in and saving players from the lag of mines. Whatever really. Some of our fleet were upset at the time of course, but with a bit of perspective you just see this is the business of refereeing and its never clean and simple. Hell, you ever been to a football match? The abuse the poor old referees get over free kicks, corners and penalties. Sometimes they do get things wrong but their purpose is to keep the game flowing and make decisions on the best of their ability to do so. Quote: They want to fix the whole one guy essentially deleting an alliance? Then fix it so it doesn't happen again, but leave what happened untouched. They pretty much did. The moment there wasn't a rollback and BOB lost absolutely all sovereignty overnight was ccp indicating that the action would stand. The problem here is that the GM's were staring into the headlights of a goon whine fest of epic proportions with what came next. Identity theft has never previously been allowed to stand. I don't think any of the old and wiser players expected it too this time. But rather than simply renaming the Darius JOHNSON formed alt corp Band of Brothers and letting BOB re-establish its alliance name (with no sovereignty) the GMs delayed the decision. We can guess the reasons for this. With Apocrypha due in the next couple of weeks I guess CCP didn't need the huge whinefest that would have ensued if the GMs had taken the entirely reasonable step of removing the stolen corp name and letting BOB have their name back. So they compromised, they let the goons keep the stolen name through fear of goon whinage if what had happened with the identity theft was rightfully reversed. Quote: While the action of fixing a name is fairly minor, it's the intent behind it and the slippery slope it's on. It's the principle in the end. I actually agree with you but not for the reasons you might think. The principle here at stake is that the GMs appeared to be afraid of goon whining to the degree that they didn't reverse the identity theft in a timely manner. This is whats led to the current messy compromise and from the massive threadnaughting that has afflicted the forums in the last 24 hours its shown that its never a good idea to expect chronic entitlement cases to respect a rational settlement. Quote: It just seems like the devs are taking a dump on their games best feature, and what makes it unique. That really isn't the case. Identity theft has previosly had absolutely no place in the universe of eve online. That stuff has always been rectified quickly in the history of the game and this is probably the first ever incident of a stolen corp name being allowed to stand. Quote: Uh, and forgive my newbness, I just looked you up after noting the replys you seem to get. Are you part of that CSM, player - developer connection thingy? Oh ignore the goon replies in the main. They are still sore I managed to beat their leader in the first CSM elections. I served my first term last year and am taking a break before the next. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
GenrlBaconbits Caldari Southern Cross Empire	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:33:00 - [516] Originally by: Yonker If they re-named using the established ways of re-naming their alliance they would lose Sov3 in 9 (admittidly crappy) systems and be out of 1bil isk. Since the GMs let them circumvent the rules, it is the equivalent of them being handed Sov3 in 9 systems and free money. It isn't a huge deal, the systems will be taken anyway. But this type of rule bending is one of the reasons why people have no faith in CCP. or mabe it is because most of you goonies troll around on the forum and .BoB. does not troll too much...mabe you goonies should be nicer on here...you might get some nice things from CCP?? think about it... i dislike goonies with a passion...keep up the trolling. woo go new .BoB.
Caius Proximus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:42:00 - [517] bob are the **ing O.G. CAOD **poster squad you goof
Soldis Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:46:00 - [518] Crossposting a nice post. Quote: The name Kenzoku was hated by most of their members, and it was a mistake Mollee made, and you have to live with the consequences of that terrible alliance name in your corporation's alliance history profile. Mollee made a lot of mistakes. He allowed Haag to disband the alliance by removing the voting safety measure, he lost a Titan and destroyed your morale, he decided to do nothing and stay docked in a NPC station, and finally he renames the alliance a fail name "reloaded", like Darwin Reloaded (mollee's titan that died), this new alliance will die pathetically as well. Having the name Kenzoku demorazlies your members, and was a vicotry for your ennemies, and you can change it using valid game mechanics, but you decided that you didn't want to pay 1,000,000,000 isk, and didn't want to have that stain in your emloyment profile. NO ONE FORCED YOU TO CHOOSE THE NAME KENZOKU, EXCEPT YOUR LEADER MOLLEE. NOW LIVE WITH THE SHAME! Your alliance is a joke, and will die as such, none of your ennemies will pay you any respect. You poor attempts at propaganda and righteousness are so pathetic and fall on deaf ears.
Webb Mordock Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:47:00 - [519] Edited by: Webb Mordock on 25/03/2009 00:47:19 Jade, most of the time Goons are just trying to waste your time and troll you, so I appreciate the fact that you continue to at least attempt to bring some semblance of discussion to these forums. But, could you please proofread your posts before you make them and perhaps correct all of the grammatical errors? They make your posts very difficult to read. As someone with an English degree it's kind of my pet peeve.
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:47:00 - [520] Originally by: Jade Constantine They pretty much did. The moment there wasn't a rollback and BOB lost absolutely all sovereignty overnight was ccp indicating that the action would stand. The action stood because it was acheived through acceptable (unpredicted) game mechanisms. Goons play rough, but we play by the rules. Originally by: Jade Constantine The principle here at stake is that the GMs appeared to be afraid of goon whining If this were true, CCP would have publicly announced these changes BEFORE making them, not after a day of public outcry. Originally by: Jade Constantine I served my first term last year and am taking a break before the next. More like, enough people saw through your flimsy charade of self-important filibustering to jeapordize your chances of re-election, so you withdrew from the competition rather than suffer a humiliating public defeat. I suppose you can hope that eventually people will forget how useless you were as a CSM, and you will be able to attempt another entry, with a new voting public.
Yarik Mendel Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:50:00 - [521] Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi More like, enough people saw through your flimsy charade of self-important filibustering to jeapordize your chances of re-election, so you withdrew from the competition rather than suffer a humiliating public defeat. I suppose you can hope that eventually people will forget how useless you were as a CSM, and you will be able to attempt another entry, with a new voting public. Don't worry, we'll be there to quote his terrible ideas and postings on his candidacy thread to fend of any supporters that aren't his corpmates' alts.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:51:00 - [522] Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi I suppose you can hope that eventually people will forget how useless you were as a CSM, and you will be able to attempt another entry, with a new voting public. Heh, you do realize there is a pretty healthy "anti-goon" vote out there to be harnessed right Anyways, conspiracy theories aside on my reasons for waiting for black ops changes to get into game before running on my record - lets get back to the subject of the thread. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Ria Sotori Caldari Poor Old Ornery nOObs	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:52:00 - [523] You know, I like watching the somethingawful crowd get all emo and cry as much as the next person but really this one is stupider than there normal threadnaughts. - CCP Does not now nor will it ever I assume discuss petitions on the forums. All the whining and crying in the world doesn't change that fact. But for the sake of argument let me paint you a probable scenario. - Haarg disbands the bob alliance - Molle upon discovery of the alliance loss petitions for it to be restored or some other bob higher up petitions. - CCP Respond with "will look into it" like they do to everything. - In the interim Bob has to have an alliance to claim sov so they use the old RKK one. - Someone from Bob asks CCP that if they start claiming sov with another alliance name and CCP rules in there favor will that mess things up ? - CCP Rule not to give Bob there name back since its a game mechanics issue however flawed. - Bob petition to have the temp alliance name altered since the ruling has finally been decided and the kenzoku alliance was meant as a stopgap till CPP ruled. - CCP Agree Nothing in the above is cheating or favoritism. This was a first time case and so CCP had no guidelines to go by in this instance imho. Is that what happened ? Who Knows. Point is its as probable or even more so that all the CCP cheats! nonsense your spouting and knowing how well Bob think out a lot of things they do is really more likely if your being honest with yourselves. So do yourselves a favor and get over it, move on and play the game.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:52:00 - [524] Originally by: Yarik Mendel Don't worry, we'll be there to quote his terrible ideas and postings on his candidacy thread to fend of any supporters that aren't his corpmates' alts. Funny thing is last time I asked you to defend your point of view on the assembly hall you ran away! Heh, will take more than the virtual equivilent of "knock-down-ginger" to win you any debate points old chap ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
GenrlBaconbits Caldari Southern Cross Empire	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:54:00 - [525] Edited by: GenrlBaconbits on 25/03/2009 00:54:12 Originally by: enjoi Anytime you feel sad. Alone, isolated, depressed, misunderstood. Tell people that they don't get you. GoonSwarm, a place for the lonely and misunderstood. They understand. QFT!!!...and GO .BoB. and if you want a little more help ill gladly help ya guys out...(to .BoB.) i dislike goonies with a passion...keep up the trolling. woo go new .BoB.
Palmer Eldritch Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 00:54:00 - [526] Just to clarify for those who don't know, KenZoku wasn't called KenZoku because of any identity theft. It was created, and named, in August 2008, while the original Band of Brothers was still in existence. When Band of Brothers was disbanded by one of its directors, corporations which had been members of BoB chose to join KenZoku of their own free will, instead of making a new alliance (for example, an alliance named Band of Brothers Reloaded). They did this because getting straight into a pre-existing alliance gave them an advantage - a legal, within the rules advantage - in the ongoing war in 0.0 space. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:00:00 - [527] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 25/03/2009 01:00:30 Originally by: Palmer Eldritch Just to clarify for those who don't know, KenZoku wasn't called KenZoku because of any identity theft. It was created, and named, in August 2008, while the original Band of Brothers was still in existence. When Band of Brothers was disbanded by one of its directors, corporations which had been members of BoB chose to join KenZoku of their own free will, instead of making a new alliance (for example, an alliance named Band of Brothers Reloaded). They did this because getting straight into a pre-existing alliance gave them an advantage - a legal, within the rules advantage - in the ongoing war in 0.0 space. I imagine they did it because the initial petition didn't yield the expected result of having the goon alt corp "band of brothers" renamed to "evecorp 239013909" thereby allowing the BOB leaders to establish another band of brothers alliance immediately. The fact that this was the established protocol in cases of identity theft following alliance disbands previously appears not to have entered into the calculations this time. Now admittedly BOB themselves muddied the waters by moving to the kenzoku identity but since CCP weren't exactly going to freeze the server and hold the ongoing war while the gms were investigating the petition you can understand why they did it. The current compromise solution is something that won't likely please anyone 100%. Band of Brothers corporation in Goonswarm should be renamed. BOB should be offered their original alliance name back. GM's should offer them the straight choice between continuing with the current partial sovereignty holding Band of Brothers reloaded or a clean start with the original Band of Brothers name once its removed from goon blocking. Whether this can possibly happen admist all the shouting tears and threadnaughting is unlikely. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Yarik Mendel Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:07:00 - [528] Edited by: Yarik Mendel on 25/03/2009 01:07:59 Originally by: Jade Constantine I imagine they did it because And this is where you went wrong, shut up, don't talk about things you don't know.
Caius Proximus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:10:00 - [529] why are you saying that the band of brothers corporation still should be renamed and the name offered back to kenzoku when ccp has already ruled in contradiction to that if you were right, then why did ccp two days ago rename kenzoku instead of band of brothers? why the necessity for a compromise in the first place? you're full of ** as usual jade you should just get back to roleplaying a space ** sucker
Petar Quaresma Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:11:00 - [530] Why would the legally acquired corporation "Band of Brothers" be renamed? If you're going to troll, at least try and be creative and less obvious.
Caius Proximus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:13:00 - [531] Edited by: Caius Proximus on 25/03/2009 01:14:23 also yea good luck with your running again for csm jade "who cares about the rules just play the game " constantine
Momoha Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:14:00 - [532] No identify theft was employed in the BoB disbanding scam, you idiots.
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:21:00 - [533] It's pretty amazing how partisan these threads always end up. Pro-Bob: I don't see what the problem is, was just a few T2 BPOs, rigged events or other benefit that no other organisation in the game gets. It's CCPs game, if you don't like it you should quit. leans back Not sucking upto Bob: Even after all the scandals Bob still get personal favours? Good God someone teach me Icelandic, CCP just don't seem to understand basic English. It always makes me laugh to watch people justifying something they know is fundamentally wrong simply because it happens to currently suit their personal agenda. Captain Thunk
KeratinBoy Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:25:00 - [534] Originally by: Jade Constantine before running on my record That would be inventing powers you don't have? That would be stating on the record that the CSM accomplishes nothing and back room deals should be the norm? That would be gagging fellow CSM members and trying to shirk the consequences?
Rafus Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:55:00 - [535] I have gotten into the habit of just skipping of "I am a man who roleplays as a female sex slave on the internet"'s posts entirely due to their wall of text nature. It is amusing to me that people spend 30 or 40 minutes writing an essay as a post. Anyway to whoever it is that was like THEY NEEDED A ALLIANCE TO CLAIM SOV WITH!!!!!! Nothing was stopping them from creating a new alliance and naming it to something they liked, but instead they chose to use a already created alliance. That is the problem. There is no excuse for its name being changed.
Gallente Ardientemente Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 01:56:00 - [536] Originally by: Jade Constantine I imagine they did it because the initial petition didn't yield the expected result of having the goon alt corp "band of brothers" renamed to "evecorp 239013909" thereby allowing the BOB leaders to establish another band of brothers alliance immediately. The fact that this was the established protocol in cases of identity theft following alliance disbands previously appears not to have entered into the calculations this time. Now admittedly BOB themselves muddied the waters by moving to the kenzoku identity but since CCP weren't exactly going to freeze the server and hold the ongoing war while the gms were investigating the petition you can understand why they did it. The current compromise solution is something that won't likely please anyone 100%. Band of Brothers corporation in Goonswarm should be renamed. BOB should be offered their original alliance name back. GM's should offer them the straight choice between continuing with the current partial sovereignty holding Band of Brothers reloaded or a clean start with the original Band of Brothers name once its removed from goon blocking. Whether this can possibly happen admist all the shouting tears and threadnaughting is unlikely. Hahahaha you're not relevant.
Dog Solitude Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.03.25 02:05:00 - [537] Edited by: Dog Solitude on 25/03/2009 02:06:31 Originally by: Captain Thunk It's pretty amazing how partisan these threads always end up. Pro-Bob: I don't see what the problem is, was just a few T2 BPOs, rigged events or other benefit that no other organisation in the game gets. It's CCPs game, if you don't like it you should quit. leans back Not sucking upto Bob: Even after all the scandals Bob still get personal favours? Good God someone teach me Icelandic, CCP just don't seem to understand basic English. It always makes me laugh to watch people justifying something they know is fundamentally wrong simply because it happens to currently suit their personal agenda. Captain Thunk I think its funny to see groups of players, who obviously have no care for other peoples game experience, tout the "good guy" line and pretend they care about things like rules and regulations, when in reality, they only care about pursuing their own personal agendas. But hey Thunk, both you and I are heavily biased. So we are likely no different. /edit. Please bring back guys like Cippa in here so goons can stop getting trolled by Jade.
Retepp Nedsmul Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.03.25 02:19:00 - [538] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul N.B. For space reasons, my original post is edited out It doesn't really suck, that wasn't my point. I was illustrating that GM's make hard calls in difficult situations that will inevitably upset one side or another. In this case the GM in question probably felt he was doing us all a favour and triggering a spaceship fight away from the jump-in and saving players from the lag of mines. Whatever really. Some of our fleet were upset at the time of course, but with a bit of perspective you just see this is the business of refereeing and its never clean and simple. Well okay maybe the GM had some bizarre good intentions, but he was wrong. GM may be a thankless tough job, but thatÆs no reason to not expect them to do their job well and make correct decisions. IÆm sorry if they donÆt like the work, but donÆt do it if youÆre going to do a bad job. Originally by: Jade Constantine [Hell, you ever been to a football match? The abuse the poor old referees get over free kicks, corners and penalties. Sometimes they do get things wrong but their purpose is to keep the game flowing and make decisions on the best of their ability to do so. But in a football match itÆs much easier to ignore the rules. In EVE you canÆt just decide to cheat. Crazy hacking aside, you play the rules the Eve client forces on you. Refereeing should be done a little as possible in a game like Eve, the freeform nature is the most unique part of it. Originally by: Jade Constantine They pretty much did. The moment there wasn't a rollback and BOB lost absolutely all sovereignty overnight was ccp indicating that the action would stand. Yes I didnÆt mean to imply that they did not somehow leave things untouched. Simply as an example of how your space mine story should have went, without any interference. Originally by: Jade Constantine The problem here is that the GM's were staring into the headlights of a goon whine fest of epic proportions with what came next. Identity theft has never previously been allowed to stand. I don't think any of the old and wiser players expected it too this time. But rather than simply renaming the Darius JOHNSON formed alt corp Band of Brothers and letting BOB re-establish its alliance name (with no sovereignty) the GMs delayed the decision. We can guess the reasons for this. With Apocrypha due in the next couple of weeks I guess CCP didn't need the huge whinefest that would have ensued if the GMs had taken the entirely reasonable step of removing the stolen corp name and letting BOB have their name back So they compromised, they let the goons keep the stolen name through fear of goon whinage if what had happened with the identity theft was rightfully reversed. . Uh.... I would hardly call what happened ôidentity theftö or ôstolenö in the way I think you mean. The BoB name was acquired completely within the scope of game mechanics. The idea that Goonswarm should have the BoB name ôrightfully reversedö is ridiculous and runs counter to everything that makes Eve great. The rest of your answers sort of hinge on this idea of something has been æstolenÆ so IÆll leave one quick comment. Hargooth or whoever it was, did not get forced into anything. He chose to disband BoB. While one may disagree with the ease in which he did this, itÆs not stealing. Adding safeguards in the future to the game so that this is harder to accomplish is fine. But whatÆs done is done, and done completely within the game. Not stealing, not theft, not cheating. Originally by: Jade Constantine Oh ignore the goon replies in the main. They are still sore I managed to beat their leader in the first CSM elections. I served my first term last year and am taking a break before the next. Sure thing, the reason I asked was I was curious as to your stance on this issue as a CSM representative. I guess that would seem pretty obvious now, so IÆm going assume youÆre in favour of the choice made by CCP in this matter?
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 02:39:00 - [539] Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul Uh.... I would hardly call what happened ôidentity theftö or ôstolenö in the way I think you mean. The BoB name was acquired completely within the scope of game mechanics. The idea that Goonswarm should have the BoB name ôrightfully reversedö is ridiculous and runs counter to everything that makes Eve great. Previously Eve online GM's have renamed impersonating corporations and individuals and have returned "stolen names" to the original owners. The whole theft of identity theme that came to the fore in this blocking of alliance recreation by sitting on an alt corp is new ground and its never been allowed to stand before. I'd contend that Eve is not "made great" by allowing cheap director emocides to risk the identity of groups of thousands of players with no mechanism to rectify the situation. Eve is about space opera, politics and clash of arms. Cheesy creation of alt-corps to exploit a weakness in the naming mechanic system is hardly adding much to Eve's mystique. Goons claiming to have defeated BOB because they cheated and stole their name is not exactly good copy. Quote: The rest of your answers sort of hinge on this idea of something has been æstolenÆ so IÆll leave one quick comment. Hargooth or whoever it was, did not get forced into anything. He chose to disband BoB. While one may disagree with the ease in which he did this, itÆs not stealing. You and I and 99.9% of the rest of the server will never know precisely what happened there. We can guess. We can make assumptions, but we'll never know. But the "stealing of identity" is the creation of an alt corp to block the recreation of an established alliance name. It was obvious what was being done and it should have been rectified by the GMs. Quote: Adding safeguards in the future to the game so that this is harder to accomplish is fine. But whatÆs done is done, and done completely within the game. Not stealing, not theft, not cheating. I'm afraid I disagree on the naming issue. I consider it an exploit of the naming mechanism in game. Certainly there used to be an explicit eula term that made it against the rules to impersonate other players and organizations. I am also informed that there has been a prior case of identity theft in a similar manner (alliance disbanded due to non payment of fees and recreated by an enemy) that was resolved by renaming the offending parties alliance. Quote: Sure thing, the reason I asked was I was curious as to your stance on this issue as a CSM representative. I guess that would seem pretty obvious now, so IÆm going assume youÆre in favour of the choice made by CCP Well as I've said elsewhere I think CCP have not done the correct thing here (which would have been to rename the band of brothers alt corp and allow BOB to recreate their alliance with the correct name.) This would have put the matter to bed months ago and would have avoided all the complication over a sov holding entity being renamed which we now have. On balance though I think its still a fair compromise (although not one to really satisfy anyone). But what was really needed was an early decisive resolution that saw Band of Brothers name returned and the past precedent against identity theft upheld and restated. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.25 02:43:00 - [540] and to think we just were talking on ts about how Jades post have gotten smaller
Captain ULTIMATE Amarr Maximum Pulsing Golden Laser Geddongs with Lasers	Posted - 2009.03.25 02:53:00 - [541] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul Uh.... I would hardly call what happened ôidentity theftö or ôstolenö in the way I think you mean. The BoB name was acquired completely within the scope of game mechanics. The idea that Goonswarm should have the BoB name ôrightfully reversedö is ridiculous and runs counter to everything that makes Eve great. Previously Eve online GM's have renamed impersonating corporations and individuals and have returned "stolen names" to the original owners. The whole theft of identity theme that came to the fore in this blocking of alliance recreation by sitting on an alt corp is new ground and its never been allowed to stand before. I'd contend that Eve is not "made great" by allowing cheap director emocides to risk the identity of groups of thousands of players with no mechanism to rectify the situation. Eve is about space opera, politics and clash of arms. Cheesy creation of alt-corps to exploit a weakness in the naming mechanic system is hardly adding much to Eve's mystique. Goons claiming to have defeated BOB because they cheated and stole their name is not exactly good copy. Quote: The rest of your answers sort of hinge on this idea of something has been æstolenÆ so IÆll leave one quick comment. Hargooth or whoever it was, did not get forced into anything. He chose to disband BoB. While one may disagree with the ease in which he did this, itÆs not stealing. You and I and 99.9% of the rest of the server will never know precisely what happened there. We can guess. We can make assumptions, but we'll never know. But the "stealing of identity" is the creation of an alt corp to block the recreation of an established alliance name. It was obvious what was being done and it should have been rectified by the GMs. Quote: Adding safeguards in the future to the game so that this is harder to accomplish is fine. But whatÆs done is done, and done completely within the game. Not stealing, not theft, not cheating. I'm afraid I disagree on the naming issue. I consider it an exploit of the naming mechanism in game. Certainly there used to be an explicit eula term that made it against the rules to impersonate other players and organizations. I am also informed that there has been a prior case of identity theft in a similar manner (alliance disbanded due to non payment of fees and recreated by an enemy) that was resolved by renaming the offending parties alliance. Quote: Sure thing, the reason I asked was I was curious as to your stance on this issue as a CSM representative. I guess that would seem pretty obvious now, so IÆm going assume youÆre in favour of the choice made by CCP Well as I've said elsewhere I think CCP have not done the correct thing here (which would have been to rename the band of brothers alt corp and allow BOB to recreate their alliance with the correct name.) This would have put the matter to bed months ago and would have avoided all the complication over a sov holding entity being renamed which we now have. On balance though I think its still a fair compromise (although not one to really satisfy anyone). But what was really needed was an early decisive resolution that saw Band of Brothers name returned and the past precedent against identity theft upheld and restated. Look at the reason alliance names have been reclaimed in the past. Now look at the reason Kenzoku was renamed, with the proper timeline of events and facts. Now look dumb.
Da Maddness Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 02:58:00 - [542] Edited by: Da Maddness on 25/03/2009 02:59:44 As I have asked in another thread which I assume will be flooded with trolls or deleted, I'm curious as to why KenZoku petitioned to have their name changed back in the first place and also why are they defending their new name so much? After all, the alliance was built on the foundation of the people, not the name....or so I am told.
teji Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 02:59:00 - [543] Originally by: Jade Constantine Goons claiming to have defeated BOB because they cheated and stole their name is not exactly good copy. You can't steal what is rightfully yours. An executor of the alliance graciously gave the alliance to goons for their outstanding courteousness. I am not sure where this stealing and cheating rumor started as CCP themselves said that it was fair play. But don't let that stop from typing walls of text.
Retepp Nedsmul Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:00:00 - [544] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul N.B. Once again removed for space sake Previously Eve online GM's have renamed impersonating corporations and individuals and have returned "stolen names" to the original owners. The whole theft of identity theme that came to the fore in this blocking of alliance recreation by sitting on an alt corp is new ground and its never been allowed to stand before. I'd contend that Eve is not "made great" by allowing cheap director emocides to risk the identity of groups of thousands of players with no mechanism to rectify the situation. Well obviously I was referring to the freedom players have when dealing with each other in eve, not one Director emocide. But I hardly think the Band of Brothers identity is tied to a name. The Ex-BoB players define their identity by their many actions in Eve, the name doesnÆt mean much to them by their own admission. The Goons took it fair and square, emocide or not. It now belongs to them to do with as they see fit. If Ex-Bob wants it back, theyÆre gonna have to get REALLY creative. Originally by: Jade Constantine Eve is about space opera, politics and clash of arms. Cheesy creation of alt-corps to exploit a weakness in the naming mechanic system is hardly adding much to Eve's mystique. I hardly call the inability to create to corps with the same name a weakness in the naming mechanic. And give the new BoB a chance, maybe the new BoB will eventually add to the mystique of Eve. Originally by: Jade Constantine You and I and 99.9% of the rest of the server will never know precisely what happened there. We can guess. We can make assumptions, but we'll never know. But the "stealing of identity" is the creation of an alt corp to block the recreation of an established alliance name. It was obvious what was being done and it should have been rectified by the GMs. Well if youÆre suggesting that Hargooth (or whoever) was forced in some manner, thatÆs pretty ridiculous statement to make without evidence. I could make a claim that YOUÆRE A CCP EMPLOYEE or something suitably ridiculous without evidence. But both are meaningless and are just cluttering up the argument. And BoB was not an established alliance name when the Goons took it. Emocide man pressed the big red button. Solve the ease of which he did that. Not the result of it. Originally by: Jade Constantine Well as I've said elsewhere I think CCP have not done the correct thing here (which would have been to rename the band of brothers alt corp and allow BOB to recreate their alliance with the correct name.) This would have put the matter to bed months ago and would have avoided all the complication over a sov holding entity being renamed which we now have. On balance though I think its still a fair compromise (although not one to really satisfy anyone). But what was really needed was an early decisive resolution that saw Band of Brothers name returned and the past precedent against identity theft upheld and restated. Good to know, thanks.
Yarik Mendel Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:10:00 - [545] Originally by: Jade Constantine You and I and 99.9% of the rest of the server will never know precisely what happened there. We can guess. Or you can shut up, and we can ask CCP to clear the confusion. Real easy.
Joakim Saxon Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:15:00 - [546] Originally by: Jade Constantine Previously Eve online GM's have renamed impersonating corporations and individuals and have returned "stolen names" to the original owners. [citation needed]
George Clinton Minmatar Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:17:00 - [547] identity theft lmbo
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:26:00 - [548] Originally by: Yarik Mendel Originally by: Jade Constantine You and I and 99.9% of the rest of the server will never know precisely what happened there. We can guess. Or you can shut up, and we can ask CCP to clear the confusion. Real easy. They never will because they aren't going to discuss a players circumstances with the general Eve public (and nor should they.) Hence any comment on the Haargoth affair is simply speculation at best. We will never know precisely what happened there. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:32:00 - [549] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 25/03/2009 01:00:30 Originally by: Palmer Eldritch Just to clarify for those who don't know, KenZoku wasn't called KenZoku because of any identity theft. It was created, and named, in August 2008, while the original Band of Brothers was still in existence. When Band of Brothers was disbanded by one of its directors, corporations which had been members of BoB chose to join KenZoku of their own free will, instead of making a new alliance (for example, an alliance named Band of Brothers Reloaded). They did this because getting straight into a pre-existing alliance gave them an advantage - a legal, within the rules advantage - in the ongoing war in 0.0 space. I imagine they did it because the initial petition didn't yield the expected result of having the goon alt corp "band of brothers" renamed to "evecorp 239013909" thereby allowing the BOB leaders to establish another band of brothers alliance immediately. The fact that this was the established protocol in cases of identity theft following alliance disbands previously appears not to have entered into the calculations this time. Now admittedly BOB themselves muddied the waters by moving to the kenzoku identity but since CCP weren't exactly going to freeze the server and hold the ongoing war while the gms were investigating the petition you can understand why they did it. The current compromise solution is something that won't likely please anyone 100%. Band of Brothers corporation in Goonswarm should be renamed. BOB should be offered their original alliance name back. GM's should offer them the straight choice between continuing with the current partial sovereignty holding Band of Brothers reloaded or a clean start with the original Band of Brothers name once its removed from goon blocking. Whether this can possibly happen admist all the shouting tears and threadnaughting is unlikely. You roleplay a space hooker.
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:35:00 - [550] Jade Constantine: all man, all space hooker
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:36:00 - [551] Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul Well if youÆre suggesting that Hargooth (or whoever) was forced in some manner, thatÆs pretty ridiculous statement to make without evidence. Who knows really? Maybe he sold the account? Maybe a "friend" accessed his computer? Maybe he got bought off with aluminium-stocks or something? Nobody knows and its all irrelevant anyways. What happened with the disband happened and CCP decided to let it stand. But what should not have stood was the alt corp "band of brothers" created with the express intention of blocking the recreation of the band of brothers alliance in a clear exploit of the naming system. Its clear we'll disagree on this point and I hope you can appreciate that strong feelings exist on either side of the discussion. I (and many others who play this game) feel that the identity of our corporations and alliances is something that is sacrosanct to our continued subscription and participation. From the moment we attend real world meets and build friendships, print tee-shirts, commission artwork and build web-infrastructure around our corp and alliance identities we have placed a claim of ownership over the names we've chosen to build. I contend that identity should not be a spoil of war in Eve Online. When Band of Brothers dies it should be because they have been defeated in war and decide to surrender and disband of their own choice. I certainly would fight/petition/argue and debate most strongly to have "The Star Fraction" name returned to my alliance if it was ever stolen in a similar identity theft. CCP do need to consider this matter very carefully in the future because as things stand they have left a nasty metagaming exploit open that endangers much of the alliance identity building game they have previously traded on. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Retepp Nedsmul Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.03.25 03:50:00 - [552] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul Well if youÆre suggesting that Hargooth (or whoever) was forced in some manner, thatÆs pretty ridiculous statement to make without evidence. Who knows really? Maybe he sold the account? Maybe a "friend" accessed his computer? Maybe he got bought off with aluminium-stocks or something? Nobody knows and its all irrelevant anyways. Yes, we don't "know" but those maybes are very irresponsible. as you've got nothing to base them on. While we do have something to base the current theory on. You really shouldn't throw trash out there like that. Otherwise yeah it's clear we disagree, and I can appreciate strong feelings, but just as you view your name as sacrosanct, know that I and many others view our freedom in Eve as sacrosanct. In the end, you were elected to represent what you feel is best I guess. Just remember to protect your own corporation from Emo Directors. Whatever that share stuff that was mentioned, I don't really know much about that.
spinarax Caldari Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:00:00 - [553] Edited by: spinarax on 25/03/2009 04:02:01 Originally by: Jade Constantine But what should not have stood was the alt corp "band of brothers" created with the express intention of blocking the recreation of the band of brothers alliance in a clear exploit of the naming system. I named my ships xxxx`s ship to mislead ppl, is that an exploit? And what about all those corp/alliance names with a dot"." at the end? there`s no copyright law on player created names. Originally by: Jade Constantine Its clear we'll disagree on this point and I hope you can appreciate that strong feelings exist on either side of the discussion. Apparently, you don't appreciate it enough Originally by: Jade Constantine I (and many others who play this game) feel that the identity of our corporations and alliances is something that is sacrosanct to our continued subscription and participation. From the moment we attend real world meets and build friendships, print tee-shirts, commission artwork and build web-infrastructure around our corp and alliance identities we have placed a claim of ownership over the names we've chosen to build. And all that were destroyed by a single director and goonies... booowhoooo Originally by: Jade Constantine I contend that identity should not be a spoil of war in Eve Online. When Band of Brothers dies it should be because they have been defeated in war and decide to surrender and disband of their own choice. I think everybody can agree that the BOB alliance itself is pretty much defeated now, GBC is still there though Originally by: Jade Constantine I certainly would fight/petition/argue and debate most strongly to have "The Star Fraction" name returned to my alliance if it was ever stolen in a similar identity theft. And I doubt you would get it Originally by: Jade Constantine CCP do need to consider this matter very carefully in the future because as things stand they have left a nasty metagaming exploit open that endangers much of the alliance identity building game they have previously traded on. Metagaming exploits? lolwut. If CCP does deem corporate espionage as an exploit, they have rollback all the way to back GHSC...
ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:02:00 - [554] A quick newsflash for the stupid in this thread... CCP owns everything in Eve including the corporation and alliance names. You agree to it every time you sign on. The only people who can have "identities stolen" in this case is CCP. Sorry to burst your usual long winded and ignorant bubbles.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:04:00 - [555] Originally by: spinarax I named my ships xxxx`s ship to mislead ppl, is that an exploit? And what about all those corp/alliance names with a dot"." at the end? there`s no copyright law on player created names. Funnily enough there used to be. And of course you'll get a warning if you rename your ship certain things. Quote: metagaming exploits? lolwut. If CCP does deem corporate espionage as an exploit, they have rollback all the way to back GHSC... GHSC took their money not their name. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:29:00 - [556] Oh hey here's a crazy idea, let's just ask Har since he's in our alliance now and all. Then we shall know the answer to the mystery that is no mystery at all.
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:36:00 - [557] Originally by: Jade Constantine Who knows really? Maybe he sold the account? Maybe a "friend" accessed his computer? Maybe he got bought off with aluminium-stocks or something? Nobody knows and its all irrelevant anyways. This is why you should never again hold a position that represents the views of others. Haargoth knows. CCP knows. BoB knows. Goons know. Pubbies know. Anyone who has followed the events of early February knows that Haargoth willfully disbanded the alliance within legitimate game mechanics. Your aversion of the facts in order to sound cough knowledgeable about the subject merely cloud the facts, and cast doubt on your abilities to speak truthfully. They also add undue confusion to a simple matter. Had anything like you suggest happened, CCP would have reversed the disbanding immediately, and banned those involved. It is also extremely relevant to the discussion at hand, despite your feeble attempts to direct the focus of discussion elsewhere. You can't claim it's irrelevant in this post, but then cry "exploit" in the next sentence, attempting to justify the current Alliance renaming fiasco. But please, keep posting, and contradicting your own arguments in this thread. Anyone capable of rational thought will quickly see that your "arguments" fall apart at the first test of logic or constancy.
Morning Mist Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:38:00 - [558] Just for everyone in here not associated with any of the large powerblocks and is voting during the CSM elections: Jade thinks it's ok that BoB got the rules bent for them and their name changed free of charge with none of the negative consequences. Remember that during the voting period.
Da Maddness Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:39:00 - [559] Question to the people who has said things along the lines of "It's only a name change, it's not that big of an issue" I ask a simple question. Why not have the name changed back to appease the masses? After all, it's only a name change and not that big of an issue. Sure you guys may have websites with the BoB logo and T-Shirts saying "We once owned Delve now all I have is this shirt" what CCP didn't force you to do that. You guys would have done that on your own back. Get with the times and jazz things up a little, try the new name that you choose. See what funky logos you can make and maybe you can style some wicked new t-shirt that'll make you look that little bit for stylish. I don't see why CCP should have changed your alliance name because you guys have a heap of spare shirts (which could now be sold as collectors items!) and are to lazy to design a new alliance logo. If there is a reason behind how the name change effected your corp then I'm all ears.
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:41:00 - [560] Edited by: Gail Sohmbadi on 25/03/2009 04:41:19 Originally by: Jade Constantine Heh, you do realize there is a pretty healthy "anti-goon" vote out there to be harnessed right This is the sort of statement that can (and should) come back to foil your chances for CSM candidacy. If you thought there were an "anti-space-prostitute" vote out there to be harnessed, you would most likely turn in your pals at LA MAISON DE TOUS LES PLAISIRS in your very next post.
Sugar Ray Caldari Quam Singulari PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:41:00 - [561] Ahhhhh poor Goonies
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:46:00 - [562] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: spinarax there`s no copyright law on player created names. Funnily enough there used to be. Please show us a single recorded case of copyright successfully being extended to cover the name of a player in a game, oh wise & truthful space prostitute? Just link one judicial verdict, since you claim there is such a thing. I mean, you would never claim something to win an argument that you didn't actually know to be true, would you?
Petar Quaresma Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:48:00 - [563] One thing the less intelligent members of the forums (i.e. Jade) seem to miss (despite feverishly supporting the "sandbox" concept of Eve like god damned zealots) is that most wars are total wars. The point of these wars is to totally and completely destroy your enemy. If given the chance, BoB would have sent us to empire, camped us in, stolen our assets and continued to call some of our homes to harass us. That's Eve Online. BoB lost their sovereignty and name not because of a hack or exploit but because they were massively incompetent in how they handled roles in game. They were massively incompetent in how they handled assets in game. Yea, they were rich. Yea, they had players that were **** socking, all or nothing suppporters of their pubbie cause. They were also overly trusting of their members; largely inept metagamers; incompetent tacticians (lol medium armor reppers) and all around bad posters. So, we caught a break because of their massive stupidity (this is a very critical point because the Band of Brothers alliance was poorly run) they lost their name and assets. We took the name, legitimately, and we took their assets, again, legitimately. We then took their space, legitimately. So now, despite everyone agreeing that Eve is about total wars where the only meaningful conclusion is the complete destruction of your enemy, we want to crap all over that idea and allow KenGoku the privilege of reclaiming some of their namesake and identity with no penalties at all (something no one else is allowed to do) all because we gee golly feel bad for them GOSH DARNIT! Do you pay back every pilot you kill in game because you destroyed everything they own? No, you laugh about it. You revel in it. Do you feel that someone should get back items they willingly gave to you in a scam? No, you don't. They were stupid and they got burned. In the future, they will wise up or they will lose their items again. There is no justification for receiving special benefits here and since this is a total war, their opponents shouldn't tolerate third parties at CCP giving them pity handouts unjustified by the rules of the game.
DeBleu14 Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:58:00 - [564] Originally by: Jack Gates Jade Constantine: all man, all space hooker oh god why did I click that link
ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:12:00 - [565] Originally by: DeBleu14 Originally by: Jack Gates Jade Constantine: all man, all space hooker oh god why did I click that link What's wrong? It's where politics and pleasure meet!!! The hours are as whim dictates, the service as one's heart does bid, the rewards as rich as risk may find when staked in peril in the game of love and fine desire.
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:14:00 - [566] Originally by: Petar Quaresma One thing the less intelligent members of the forums (i.e. Jade) seem to miss (despite feverishly supporting the "sandbox" concept of Eve like god damned zealots) is that most wars are total wars. The point of these wars is to totally and completely destroy your enemy. If given the chance, BoB would have sent us to empire, camped us in, stolen our assets and continued to call some of our homes to harass us. That's Eve Online. BoB lost their sovereignty and name not because of a hack or exploit but because they were massively incompetent in how they handled roles in game. They were massively incompetent in how they handled assets in game. Yea, they were rich. Yea, they had players that were **** socking, all or nothing suppporters of their pubbie cause. They were also overly trusting of their members; largely inept metagamers; incompetent tacticians (lol medium armor reppers) and all around bad posters. So, we caught a break because of their massive stupidity (this is a very critical point because the Band of Brothers alliance was poorly run) they lost their name and assets. We took the name, legitimately, and we took their assets, again, legitimately. We then took their space, legitimately. So now, despite everyone agreeing that Eve is about total wars where the only meaningful conclusion is the complete destruction of your enemy, we want to crap all over that idea and allow KenGoku the privilege of reclaiming some of their namesake and identity with no penalties at all (something no one else is allowed to do) all because we gee golly feel bad for them GOSH DARNIT! Do you pay back every pilot you kill in game because you destroyed everything they own? No, you laugh about it. You revel in it. Do you feel that someone should get back items they willingly gave to you in a scam? No, you don't. They were stupid and they got burned. In the future, they will wise up or they will lose their items again. There is no justification for receiving special benefits here and since this is a total war, their opponents shouldn't tolerate third parties at CCP giving them pity handouts unjustified by the rules of the game. qtiyd
DeBleu14 Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:24:00 - [567] welcomes new patron to Maison pleasures pubbie puts words between asterisks to make a pretend action in a video game
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:26:00 - [568] Originally by: DeBleu14 welcomes new patron to Maison pleasures pubbie puts words between asterisks to make a pretend action in a video game gets on eve voice and reveals that JC is a MAN!
Das Brute Minmatar Celestial Pillagers	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:34:00 - [569] I had some veldspar stolen from me, can I get some veldspar reloaded in return? Whats the going refine rate for that? Thanks in advance.
Chadley Bradley Gallente Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:34:00 - [570] Originally by: Petar Quaresma We took the name, legitimately As a matter of consequence, what is GoonSwarm planning to do with the corporation, Band of Brothers? I mean, I dunno why they didn't like the name--I think it's pretty cool. Reminds me of the HBO series... Ooo! Why don't you all petition to rename GoonSwarm to Band of Brothers! I mean, since you guys own the name and all, they should let you, right? -Chadley
Petar Quaresma Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 05:37:00 - [571] Band of Brothers is the official scamming corporation in Goonfleet. I personally made over 3 billion ISK convincing newbies that they could join the elite PVP alliance (corporation) known as Band of Brothers.
Elohe Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:11:00 - [572] Originally by: Petar Quaresma One thing the less intelligent members of the forums (i.e. Jade) seem to miss (despite feverishly supporting the "sandbox" concept of Eve like god damned zealots) is that most wars are total wars. The point of these wars is to totally and completely destroy your enemy. If given the chance, BoB would have sent us to empire, camped us in, stolen our assets and continued to call some of our homes to harass us. That's Eve Online. BoB lost their sovereignty and name not because of a hack or exploit but because they were massively incompetent in how they handled roles in game. They were massively incompetent in how they handled assets in game. Yea, they were rich. Yea, they had players that were **** socking, all or nothing suppporters of their pubbie cause. They were also overly trusting of their members; largely inept metagamers; incompetent tacticians (lol medium armor reppers) and all around bad posters. So, we caught a break because of their massive stupidity (this is a very critical point because the Band of Brothers alliance was poorly run) they lost their name and assets. We took the name, legitimately, and we took their assets, again, legitimately. We then took their space, legitimately. So now, despite everyone agreeing that Eve is about total wars where the only meaningful conclusion is the complete destruction of your enemy, we want to crap all over that idea and allow KenGoku the privilege of reclaiming some of their namesake and identity with no penalties at all (something no one else is allowed to do) all because we gee golly feel bad for them GOSH DARNIT! Do you pay back every pilot you kill in game because you destroyed everything they own? No, you laugh about it. You revel in it. Do you feel that someone should get back items they willingly gave to you in a scam? No, you don't. They were stupid and they got burned. In the future, they will wise up or they will lose their items again. There is no justification for receiving special benefits here and since this is a total war, their opponents shouldn't tolerate third parties at CCP giving them pity handouts unjustified by the rules of the game. qoute forever this game is not about space hokers morales
Marcus Druallis Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:29:00 - [573] Originally by: GenrlBaconbits Originally by: Yonker If they re-named using the established ways of re-naming their alliance they would lose Sov3 in 9 (admittidly crappy) systems and be out of 1bil isk. Since the GMs let them circumvent the rules, it is the equivalent of them being handed Sov3 in 9 systems and free money. It isn't a huge deal, the systems will be taken anyway. But this type of rule bending is one of the reasons why people have no faith in CCP. or mabe it is because most of you goonies troll around on the forum and .BoB. does not troll too much...mabe you goonies should be nicer on here...you might get some nice things from CCP?? think about it... That shows that you are newish to EVE. You should have seen the forums when BOB's forum warriors were allowed to post. Before they tried to clean up their image a bit... --
Marcus Druallis Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:37:00 - [574] Originally by: ThorTheGreat A quick newsflash for the stupid in this thread... CCP owns everything in Eve including the corporation and alliance names. You agree to it every time you sign on. The only people who can have "identities stolen" in this case is CCP. Sorry to burst your usual long winded and ignorant bubbles. Yeah but when CCP is BOB I guess they do own it... --
Spiffy Sunkist Gallente Malevolent Evolution The Church.	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:43:00 - [575] Edited by: Spiffy Sunkist on 25/03/2009 06:44:05 Originally by: Petar Quaresma It's a game and you my friend takes it too seriously. Oh and if they where so incompentent what does that make you? Nice man really nice. I bet your a 30 year old living with your momy
Jack Gates Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 06:47:00 - [576] Originally by: Jack Gates Jade Constantine: all man, all space hooker this is not getting enough attention
Feran Giall Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 07:07:00 - [577] Edited by: Feran Giall on 25/03/2009 07:08:31 Originally by: Marcus Druallis Yeah but when CCP is BOB I guess they do own it... BoB doesn't own anything. Especially space.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.25 07:19:00 - [578] Originally by: Dog Solitude I think its funny to see groups of players, who obviously have no care for other peoples game experience, tout the "good guy" line and pretend they care about things like rules and regulations, when in reality, they only care about pursuing their own personal agendas. I think it's sad to see groups of players not actually caring about rules and regulations and pursuing their personal agendas at all costs and then acting like it was all normal.
NereSky Gallente Domination. PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.25 07:22:00 - [579] CCP's decision imo was fair and reasonable and to be perfectly honest well thought out Just because one entity and their followers/alts all scream/cry and throw a hissy fit because they dont get their own way doesnt mean that decisions get reversed. Stamp your feet and cry as much as you want goons all its going to do for me at least is continue providing a cheap sort of amusement watchng your attempts at a kind of virtual terroism. Get over it and get on with the game
Tsiros Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 07:47:00 - [580] ok... since CCP is giving free gifts, changing name policies, adding . in names, braking their own rules etc can i ask for a couple of billions? I am not that greedy. Am I? Just a couple so i will not have to worry about poping my ships in 0.0 and then having to go for ratting p.s we can name the project .ISK.Reloded
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.25 08:14:00 - [581] never stop poasting~~~~~~~~~
Dangerously Cheesey Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 08:20:00 - [582] Jade Constantine Mistress of the Golden Chamber: JF Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Feran Giall Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 08:27:00 - [583] Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey Jade Constantine Mistress of the Golden Chamber: JF Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the charismatic goonetic mastermind Darius JOHNSON.
Mr Leeson Amarr Red Dwarf Mining Corporation The Elders Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 08:56:00 - [584] please, more tears!
SavageBastard Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 09:11:00 - [585] Originally by: Jade Constantine I (and many others who play this game) feel that the identity of our corporations and alliances is something that is sacrosanct to our continued subscription and participation. It's ok Jade. Nobody is going to take your sacrosanct transgender space prostitute identity away from you. I don't think you need CCP's help with that.
Marlona Sky Caldari Astroglide X The Foray Project	Posted - 2009.03.25 09:47:00 - [586] Posting in another thread started by a goon, to promote goon chest beating with virtually all goon replies.
Arch Ville Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.25 09:56:00 - [587] Lets keep this shame on top until it gets fixed. Bump
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:06:00 - [588] Originally by: Arch Ville Lets keep this shame on top until it gets fixed. Bump Confirming this is a shameful act, which is all very worthy of our emorage and attention. No-one complaining about this needs to 'get a grip', and it most certainly is not a triviality no-one with a brain and sense of reasoning cares about.
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:18:00 - [589] Originally by: Arch Ville Lets keep this shame on top until it gets fixed. Bump want some capitals reimbursed while you're in the waiting hall ?
Cautet Caldari Better Dead Then Smeg PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.25 10:18:00 - [590] Originally by: Da Maddness Question to the people who has said things along the lines of "It's only a name change, it's not that big of an issue" I ask a simple question. Why not have the name changed back to appease the masses? After all, it's only a name change and not that big of an issue. Because the masses either don't care or agree with the change. Just because whineswarm and their allies disagree with something and flood the forums with ****posts doesn't mean they have popular support. The issue wasn't a normal one. It involved an Alliance name being blocked at the same time as an Alliances sov was removed in a coordinated metagaming attack. Its not the ideal time to choose an Alliance name or to wait around for petitions to remove the block. CCP seems to have acted fairly by treating this unusual case differently.
Dyllyn Amarr Tactical Combat Systems	Posted - 2009.03.25 11:36:00 - [591] Originally by: Cautet Originally by: Da Maddness Question to the people who has said things along the lines of "It's only a name change, it's not that big of an issue" I ask a simple question. Why not have the name changed back to appease the masses? After all, it's only a name change and not that big of an issue. Because the masses either don't care or agree with the change. Just because whineswarm and their allies disagree with something and flood the forums with ****posts doesn't mean they have popular support. The issue wasn't a normal one. It involved an Alliance name being blocked at the same time as an Alliances sov was removed in a coordinated metagaming attack. Its not the ideal time to choose an Alliance name or to wait around for petitions to remove the block. CCP seems to have acted fairly by treating this unusual case differently. So.... breaking rules "cause it's a special case" is okay?
Chairman Lmao Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 11:45:00 - [592] Edited by: Chairman Lmao on 25/03/2009 11:47:39 I think Avon put it best, really. Originally by: Avon What CCP need to do is clearly define the policy here, and the process involved. They need to reassure the playerbase that name changes will only be made if the name is seen as reasonably likely to cause real offence to the general public. and also Originally by: Avon I don't want either everything banned or allowed, that isn't the issue is with selective enforcement. What I want are rules that are enforced fairly and equally. If something is not allowed, then it should be the same for everyone. If something is allowed, then it should be the same for everyone. How hard is that to understand? Bravo, Avon. My feelings exactly.
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.25 12:09:00 - [593] Originally by: Jade Constantine I (and many others who play this game) feel that the identity of our corporations and alliances is something that is sacrosanct to our continued subscription and participation. please stop using words like this.
Lem2J Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 12:19:00 - [594] Edited by: Lem2J on 25/03/2009 12:26:11 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul Well if youÆre suggesting that Hargooth (or whoever) was forced in some manner, thatÆs pretty ridiculous statement to make without evidence. Who knows really? Maybe he sold the account? Maybe a "friend" accessed his computer? Maybe he got bought off with aluminium-stocks or something? Nobody knows and its all irrelevant anyways. What happened with the disband happened and CCP decided to let it stand. But what should not have stood was the alt corp "band of brothers" created with the express intention of blocking the recreation of the band of brothers alliance in a clear exploit of the naming system. Its clear we'll disagree on this point and I hope you can appreciate that strong feelings exist on either side of the discussion. I (and many others who play this game) feel that the identity of our corporations and alliances is something that is sacrosanct to our continued subscription and participation. From the moment we attend real world meets and build friendships, print tee-shirts, commission artwork and build web-infrastructure around our corp and alliance identities we have placed a claim of ownership over the names we've chosen to build. I contend that identity should not be a spoil of war in Eve Online. When Band of Brothers dies it should be because they have been defeated in war and decide to surrender and disband of their own choice. I certainly would fight/petition/argue and debate most strongly to have "The Star Fraction" name returned to my alliance if it was ever stolen in a similar identity theft. CCP do need to consider this matter very carefully in the future because as things stand they have left a nasty metagaming exploit open that endangers much of the alliance identity building game they have previously traded on. When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... The same rules should apply to BOB imo, Sov should have been lost (as they did) but they should be able to retain the name.
RedSplat Caldari Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.25 12:23:00 - [595] One of my friends just left .BoB. and i quote: "I'm tired of their bull****" and "CCP jumped the shark again, shame IA is utterly inconsequential" Now EVE related mod proof Disco Kitteh Please resize image to a file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
Ivoryman Gallente GreenSwarm Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 12:34:00 - [596] Originally by: Lem2J Edited by: Lem2J on 25/03/2009 12:26:11 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul Well if youÆre suggesting that Hargooth (or whoever) was forced in some manner, thatÆs pretty ridiculous statement to make without evidence. Who knows really? Maybe he sold the account? Maybe a "friend" accessed his computer? Maybe he got bought off with aluminium-stocks or something? Nobody knows and its all irrelevant anyways. What happened with the disband happened and CCP decided to let it stand. But what should not have stood was the alt corp "band of brothers" created with the express intention of blocking the recreation of the band of brothers alliance in a clear exploit of the naming system. Its clear we'll disagree on this point and I hope you can appreciate that strong feelings exist on either side of the discussion. I (and many others who play this game) feel that the identity of our corporations and alliances is something that is sacrosanct to our continued subscription and participation. From the moment we attend real world meets and build friendships, print tee-shirts, commission artwork and build web-infrastructure around our corp and alliance identities we have placed a claim of ownership over the names we've chosen to build. I contend that identity should not be a spoil of war in Eve Online. When Band of Brothers dies it should be because they have been defeated in war and decide to surrender and disband of their own choice. I certainly would fight/petition/argue and debate most strongly to have "The Star Fraction" name returned to my alliance if it was ever stolen in a similar identity theft. CCP do need to consider this matter very carefully in the future because as things stand they have left a nasty metagaming exploit open that endangers much of the alliance identity building game they have previously traded on. When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... The same rules should apply to BOB imo, Sov should have been lost (as they did) but they should be able to retain the name. Hey Lem!! Umm... can I buy my alliance back? Miss all you guys. Good times Ivory x-AWAR, mostly retired
nikhan Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 12:36:00 - [597] Just when people may have felt slightly sorry for BOB after being disbanded and evicted from their space this happens The devphone does damage to their reputation again. Originally by: Akino Sakura Goonswarm is nothing more then a bunch of backward ******s that need to be lined up and shot to make the world a better place.
Poopsock Alarmclock Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 13:25:00 - [598] Originally by: Cautet The issue wasn't a normal one. It involved an Alliance name being blocked at the same time as an Alliances sov was removed in a coordinated metagaming attack. first, the disbanding of BoB was done using working-as-intended in-game mechanics, unlike the renaming of Kenzoku secondly, BoB could have chosen the BOBR name when they were disbanded, but instead they chose to piggyback on the existing Kenzoku alliance so they could start claiming sov immediately with their towers CCP have said repeatedly that what happened to BoB was 100% valid as far as CCP is concerned, therefore there is no reason for allowing the Kenzoku alliance to be renamed to BOBR
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 13:40:00 - [599] Originally by: Yaay Again, you're quoting rules of a game... not even a real sport, but a cyber online fun game. And even worse, nobody is affected by this one b/c nobody who want's a name change has a history to back up the logic for their change like BoB does. Well, this answers all the questions, if you want a name change, you have to be BoB, since they are the only ones that have a history. Sorry everyone else who pays a subscription fee, you just don't have the "history" to be able to do the things that the beavers do.
Seth Quantix Amarr Domination. PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.25 13:59:00 - [600] Originally by: Brobuck Originally by: Yaay Again, you're quoting rules of a game... not even a real sport, but a cyber online fun game. And even worse, nobody is affected by this one b/c nobody who want's a name change has a history to back up the logic for their change like BoB does. Well, this answers all the questions, if you want a name change, you have to be BoB, since they are the only ones that have a history. Sorry everyone else who pays a subscription fee, you just don't have the "history" to be able to do the things that the beavers do. The question is, what does it truly matter? If a lesser alliance did this would there be all this crap on the forums? How do you knwo it has not happened before? ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:07:00 - [601] Originally by: Seth Quantix The question is, what does it truly matter? If a lesser alliance did this would there be all this crap on the forums? How do you knwo it has not happened before? That is two questions. Why does it matter? Because one particular group of players is being given special dispensation. I think all anybody wants is for the rules to apply equally to everyone. How do I know it has not happened before? Well, nobody in this forum seems to remember it happening. Nobody I talk to seems to remember it happening. CCP says it has happened but won't give the particulars, which reminds me of the last big scandal, which involved (searches memory) oh, yeah, CCP and BoB.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:13:00 - [602] Edited by: Pezzle on 25/03/2009 14:14:39 The methods and mechanics used to shut down BoB should not be legal, yet they are. BoB was shut down through existing mechanics. A corp was formed to take the name. Goons war decced corps so a new alliance could not be formed. BoB members joined an existing alliance. All legal. Goons took the name as a blocker. That is a grey area I suppose? It is not an attempt at defrauding the public is it? At this point that is actually irrelevant. BoB joined an existing alliance. IF being war decced prevents alliance creation then Goons were backing their foes into a corner. Those corps, of free will, joined Ken. Two months later this petition for a name change is resolved? I will cry foul on that. If there was a rule violation it could have been handled within a few days. What other alliances have gotten free name changes? Name a few? This is not about BoB, it is about the rules being fairly applied for everyone. What rules was broken that allows the alliance name change? Is it illegal to grab a name like that? If it is, why was this not clearly stated by GM Grimmi or another staff member? Many corps and alliances have made innocent typos and been denied. Others have asked for consolidation and been denied. Those who found the name worth it put in the effort of switching. I disagree with the methods used. There should be rules against this type of thing but there are not. CCP seems to be in no hurry creating or enforcing such rules either way. That is the price you pay for lax metagame policy and look the other way administration. I do not like spying, theft, tower password monkey business, stront timer nonsense and a host of other shady activities, yet they are legal. Where we are is a product of situations that BoB played no small part in creating. It is also important we remember that while ccp does not condone all the theft/spying etc they do encourage it. This has been made apparent in many interviews spanning the life of EVE. Years of unfettered jeering and cheering have sharpened the appetites of those involved. You do not like the rules? Work on getting them changed or clarified. Stop applauding the dirty deeds. Until that happens you live in the house you built.
Soldur Caldari Helljumpers Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:13:00 - [603] Originally by: Crimsonjade break out the t2 tissues. we have hit gooniegold all that emo rage and you cant even defeat bob lite. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this
Nicholas DW Gallente Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:15:00 - [604] Edited by: Nicholas DW on 25/03/2009 14:15:20 I've certainly deemed it a serious enough offense to emorage quit over. Too bad too, I was really excited about the Falcon nerf. Edit: Hi Enjoi.
Harry Besebes Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:19:00 - [605] Originally by: Pezzle Edited by: Pezzle on 25/03/2009 14:14:39 IF being war decced prevents alliance creation then Goons were backing their foes into a corner. Those corps, of free will, joined Ken. Two months later this petition for a name change is resolved? I will cry foul on that. If there was a rule violation it could have been handled within a few days. Goons used every in-game mechanic and understanding of the game to back them into that corner. BoB, rather than try to fight back, ran to CCP. This is the real difference between Goons and BoB,
CARY Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:26:00 - [606] It's somewhat strange that CCP will not provide nor release names of other alliances they claim to have allowed name changes in the pass.......Did they pay for the name change.......did they lose sov or even had sov? Having or not having sov will raise a major question as well. Don't look for this info from CCP anytime soon.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:31:00 - [607] Originally by: Lem2J Edited by: Lem2J on 25/03/2009 12:26:11 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul Well if youÆre suggesting that Hargooth (or whoever) was forced in some manner, thatÆs pretty ridiculous statement to make without evidence. Who knows really? Maybe he sold the account? Maybe a "friend" accessed his computer? Maybe he got bought off with aluminium-stocks or something? Nobody knows and its all irrelevant anyways. What happened with the disband happened and CCP decided to let it stand. But what should not have stood was the alt corp "band of brothers" created with the express intention of blocking the recreation of the band of brothers alliance in a clear exploit of the naming system. Its clear we'll disagree on this point and I hope you can appreciate that strong feelings exist on either side of the discussion. I (and many others who play this game) feel that the identity of our corporations and alliances is something that is sacrosanct to our continued subscription and participation. From the moment we attend real world meets and build friendships, print tee-shirts, commission artwork and build web-infrastructure around our corp and alliance identities we have placed a claim of ownership over the names we've chosen to build. I contend that identity should not be a spoil of war in Eve Online. When Band of Brothers dies it should be because they have been defeated in war and decide to surrender and disband of their own choice. I certainly would fight/petition/argue and debate most strongly to have "The Star Fraction" name returned to my alliance if it was ever stolen in a similar identity theft. CCP do need to consider this matter very carefully in the future because as things stand they have left a nasty metagaming exploit open that endangers much of the alliance identity building game they have previously traded on. When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... The same rules should apply to BOB imo, Sov should have been lost (as they did) but they should be able to retain the name. Thank you for your post and your honesty. Originally by: Lem2J When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:34:00 - [608] Originally by: Jade Constantine This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. I must have missed the part where Band of Brothers corp got renamed and KenZoku disbanded and paid 1 billion to reform. Please, oh wise and great Jade Constantine, write us a book explaining this.
Zeph1rus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:34:00 - [609] Originally by: Jade Constantine This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Yeah because failure of logic has always stopped you posting you horrible, miserable waste of flesh.
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:35:00 - [610] he change he own name, a shamefoul ***** Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Covenn Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:36:00 - [611] LOL - This thread is pretty funny. You all act like if some defector from (Goonswarm, MM, Razor etc) were to disband your alliance... then have your alliance name taken, all your space taken, that you would all just roll over and take it, and say "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Give me a break.
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:37:00 - [612] Originally by: Covenn LOL - This thread is pretty funny. You all act like if some defector from (Goonswarm, MM, Razor etc) were to disband your alliance... then have your alliance name taken, all your space taken, that you would all just roll over and take it, and say "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Give me a break. nope, we would ***** and complain and petition and then get told "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game"
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:38:00 - [613] Originally by: Zeph1rus Originally by: Jade Constantine This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Yeah because failure of logic has always stopped you posting you horrible, miserable waste of flesh. I think when we get to the point that a 5000 man alliance has absolutely no way to refute a valid point and just gets to posting primal screams of wordless rage we're pretty much done. Slur insults as you will goons. You are wrong. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Chairman Lmao Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:39:00 - [614] Originally by: Covenn LOL - This thread is pretty funny. You all act like if some defector from (Goonswarm, MM, Razor etc) were to disband your alliance... then have your alliance name taken, all your space taken, that you would all just roll over and take it, and say "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Give me a break. No, if this happened to us we would probably fight to get our space back. With spaceships.
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:43:00 - [615] Originally by: Jade Constantine valid point that's quite an assumption you're making
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:57:00 - [616] -Band of Brothers corp was not renamed. -Ex-BoB members did not create a new alliance, they joined an existing one. How is this precisely what happened with CoW? How long did it take for the CoW situation to be resolved? You can claim it all comes out in the wash, but it does not. EVE is a competitive game and these situations are different. I have yet to see a statement clarifying policy. Is there actually a policy? My interest here is equal treatment. Let them have the name if that is the rules. Let them play by the same rules (new alliance, not rename) as well. If CCP wishes to 'take the blame' for 2 months then hey, that is great. How about some clarity in words? The list of people denied renaming under less dubious circumstances is fairly long.
Shikome Alluin Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:03:00 - [617] Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 25/03/2009 15:06:35 Is the forums broken, thats the third duble post of today - Aloha mr Hand
Shikome Alluin Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:05:00 - [618] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Lem2J Originally by: Lem2J When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Seriously Jade, answer me this: Why did .BoB. not loose sov + have to pay the 1 billion isk like COW had to? Yes Cow was disbanded because of unpaid bills, but they had to pay the Alliance registration fee and reform their alliance. .BoB. was KenZuko at the time of the name change to "Reloaded", thus its only logical they would have to disband KenZuko to reform "Reloaded" is it not? They got special treatment, CCP bending above examples rules and bypassing the sov loss and registration fee. You can not ignore this! I know you will try though... - Aloha mr Hand
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:08:00 - [619] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Zeph1rus Originally by: Jade Constantine This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Yeah because failure of logic has always stopped you posting you horrible, miserable waste of flesh. I think when we get to the point that a 5000 man alliance has absolutely no way to refute a valid point and just gets to posting primal screams of wordless rage we're pretty much done. Slur insults as you will goons. You are wrong. Your intelligence is showing (it's not).
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:09:00 - [620] if BoBr pais/paid the 1bn fee that should at least be a decent compromise.
Tobruk Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:30:00 - [621] Originally by: Lem2J When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... The same rules should apply to BOB imo, Sov should have been lost (as they did) but they should be able to retain the name. here Jade I bolded the part you didnt read. give it up Jade, your wrong and so is CCP. ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:36:00 - [622] Originally by: Vincent Gaines if BoBr pais/paid the 1bn fee that should at least be a decent compromise. No it wouldn't, the only two options available for this scenario to turn out properly are to give KENZOKU the two options that were available to them back when they made THEIR CHOICE. They can either go back to being Kenzoku as chosen by their leadership or they can drop sov, rename, pay the bill, and get back to work. Those are the only two options that don't display favoritism, stay within game mechanics, etc.
Cautet Caldari Better Dead Then Smeg PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:40:00 - [623] Edited by: Cautet on 25/03/2009 15:45:32 Originally by: Hanabi Kazan Originally by: Covenn LOL - This thread is pretty funny. You all act like if some defector from (Goonswarm, MM, Razor etc) were to disband your alliance... then have your alliance name taken, all your space taken, that you would all just roll over and take it, and say "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Give me a break. nope, we would * and complain and petition and then get told "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Underlined and bolded the parts that are true. Edit: Whineswarm blocked name of Alliance. They did this knowing it's not allowed. Petition could have taken a few days or more. This would have meant that for cheating they would have gained a few days advantage in the war against sov. As it was they didn't need it. CCP made a fair and reasonable decision that anyone would want if it happened to them. Purely because it happened to someone else they moan about it. Its ****ing stupid and pathetic. Bad winners are even worse than bad losers.
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:50:00 - [624] Edited by: OldPueblo on 25/03/2009 15:50:37 The name was won fair and square using in-game mechanics. No bill was forgotten to be paid, no bug disbanded the alliance, it was an inside job acknowledged as fair by CCP because it was fair. The name was also not just camped, it's been put to good use and has been an active corp. Nothing stopped them back then from renaming themselves to exactly what they named themselves now. The scenarios are not the same but keep trying oh bird of hope spread your wings and ffflllllyyyyyyyyyyy.
Vimiko Engren Minmatar Mass Production	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:53:00 - [625] Originally by: OldPueblo The name was won fair and square using in-game mechanics. Much like the fair way someone has gone in and taken the Kenzoku name as a corporation now, amirite.
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:53:00 - [626] Actually, I hope we find out it's all a huge unfair devsploit. Purely to see the wonderfully bitter nerdrage tears of the goons fill these pages. My fingers are crossed. (as an aside, they have of course completely lost the arguement as Jade rightly points out)
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:57:00 - [627] Originally by: Vimiko Engren Originally by: OldPueblo The name was won fair and square using in-game mechanics. Much like the fair way someone has gone in and taken the Kenzoku name as a corporation now, amirite. I think you'd be surprised at how little that being reversed would matter. Especially since in this case it would be filed under "never should have happened" which IS grounds for CCP intervention.
Marcus Druallis Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:58:00 - [628] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Zeph1rus Originally by: Jade Constantine This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Yeah because failure of logic has always stopped you posting you horrible, miserable waste of flesh. I think when we get to the point that a 5000 man alliance has absolutely no way to refute a valid point and just gets to posting primal screams of wordless rage we're pretty much done. Slur insults as you will goons. You are wrong. See, this is why no one likes you. You took a post of honesty, skewed it and left some of the facts out to attempt to prove your point. However, BOB never had to leave/disband Kenzoku to recreate Band of Brothers. They got a dev to interfere (or GM who gives a **) and change their existing name of an existing Alliance (WHICH WAS HOLDING SOV!). I don't think anyone would give a ** if the corp Band of Brothers was forcefully disbanded, and BOB was forced to recreate BOB shelling out another billion, and losing their sov. Now come back with your logic Jade. --
Captain ULTIMATE Amarr Maximum Pulsing Golden Laser Geddongs with Lasers	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:02:00 - [629] Originally by: O Thief Actually, I hope we find out it's all a huge unfair devsploit. Purely to see the wonderfully bitter nerdrage tears of the goons fill these pages. My fingers are crossed. (as an aside, they have of course completely lost the arguement as Jade rightly points out) The only thing you've pointed out over and over is your terrible gimmick consisting of two parts fail: 1. Only goons care and not every single person that's ever wanted a name change. 2. I don't possess the mental faculties to understand this issue. Bonus # 3. I am one of Jade's VIP customers.
DeBleu14 Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:07:00 - [630] Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE Bonus # 3. I am one of Jade's VIP customers. I pity the asterisk key on your keyboard
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:09:00 - [631] Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE Originally by: O Thief Actually, I hope we find out it's all a huge unfair devsploit. Purely to see the wonderfully bitter nerdrage tears of the goons fill these pages. My fingers are crossed. (as an aside, they have of course completely lost the arguement as Jade rightly points out) The only thing you've pointed out over and over is your terrible gimmick consisting of two parts fail: 1. Only goons care and not every single person that's ever wanted a name change. 2. I don't possess the mental faculties to understand this issue. Bonus # 3. I am one of Jade's VIP customers. You're right, I don't have the intellectual capability to understand an issue as serious and complicated as an alliance petioning for a name change, and the owners of the game deciding to do that. It is completely beyond my power of reasoning. OR... Maybe I'm the one that actually 'gets it', and you need to get a grip and focus less on trivilaities in an internet spaceship game. There is a whole world out there. Its an MMO run by a privately owned company, who have made a decision. They don't have to justify it to you, me, or anyone else. If you don't like it, you know how to cancel your subscription.
Zeph1rus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:11:00 - [632] Originally by: O Thief Maybe I'm the one that actually 'gets it', and you need to get a grip and focus less on trivilaities in an internet spaceship game. There is a whole world out there. Its an MMO run by a privately owned company, who have made a decision. They don't have to justify it to you, me, or anyone else. If you don't like it, you know how to cancel your subscription. You are still posting in this thread, right? Yeah? Just checking.
Marcus Druallis Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:12:00 - [633] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE Originally by: O Thief Actually, I hope we find out it's all a huge unfair devsploit. Purely to see the wonderfully bitter nerdrage tears of the goons fill these pages. My fingers are crossed. (as an aside, they have of course completely lost the arguement as Jade rightly points out) The only thing you've pointed out over and over is your terrible gimmick consisting of two parts fail: 1. Only goons care and not every single person that's ever wanted a name change. 2. I don't possess the mental faculties to understand this issue. Bonus # 3. I am one of Jade's VIP customers. You're right, I don't have the intellectual capability to understand an issue as serious and complicated as an alliance petioning for a name change, and the owners of the game deciding to do that. It is completely beyond my power of reasoning. OR... Maybe I'm the one that actually 'gets it', and you need to get a grip and focus less on trivilaities in an internet spaceship game. There is a whole world out there. Its an MMO run by a privately owned company, who have made a decision. They don't have to justify it to you, me, or anyone else. If you don't like it, you know how to cancel your subscription. I love how people like you are claiming that people in this topic "care too much and need to get a life". However, you are posting in the very same topic, and are watching it unfold as well. Bit of self loathing there perhaps? --
Captain ULTIMATE Amarr Maximum Pulsing Golden Laser Geddongs with Lasers	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:12:00 - [634] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE Originally by: O Thief Actually, I hope we find out it's all a huge unfair devsploit. Purely to see the wonderfully bitter nerdrage tears of the goons fill these pages. My fingers are crossed. (as an aside, they have of course completely lost the arguement as Jade rightly points out) The only thing you've pointed out over and over is your terrible gimmick consisting of two parts fail: 1. Only goons care and not every single person that's ever wanted a name change. 2. I don't possess the mental faculties to understand this issue. Bonus # 3. I am one of Jade's VIP customers. You're right, I don't have the intellectual capability to understand an issue as serious and complicated as an alliance petioning for a name change, and the owners of the game deciding to do that. It is completely beyond my power of reasoning. OR... Maybe I'm the one that actually 'gets it', and you need to get a grip and focus less on trivilaities in an internet spaceship game. There is a whole world out there. Its an MMO run by a privately owned company, who have made a decision. They don't have to justify it to you, me, or anyone else. If you don't like it, you know how to cancel your subscription. Hahahahah you still don't get it maybe you should start over and read from the beginning I really hope you can join the rest of us up here man. I'm rooting for you. o/\o
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:16:00 - [635] Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE Hahahahah you still don't get it maybe you should start over and read from the beginning I really hope you can join the rest of us up here man. I'm rooting for you. o/\o You're either trolling or incredibly stupid, which is it?
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:21:00 - [636] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Marcus Druallis I love how people like you are claiming that people in this topic "care too much and need to get a life". However, you are posting in the very same topic, and are watching it unfold as well. Bit of self loathing there perhaps? confirming I hate myself, but watching all the angry nerdragers get worked up into a fury over an internet spaceship name change gives my life amusement post with your main
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:21:00 - [637] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Marcus Druallis I love how people like you are claiming that people in this topic "care too much and need to get a life". However, you are posting in the very same topic, and are watching it unfold as well. Bit of self loathing there perhaps? confirming I hate myself, but watching all the angry nerdragers get worked up into a fury over an internet spaceship name change gives my life amusement obvious troll
Marcus Druallis Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:22:00 - [638] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Marcus Druallis I love how people like you are claiming that people in this topic "care too much and need to get a life". However, you are posting in the very same topic, and are watching it unfold as well. Bit of self loathing there perhaps? confirming I hate myself, but watching all the angry nerdragers get worked up into a fury over an internet spaceship name change gives my life amusement The first step is admitting you have a problem, well done --
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:22:00 - [639] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Marcus Druallis I love how people like you are claiming that people in this topic "care too much and need to get a life". However, you are posting in the very same topic, and are watching it unfold as well. Bit of self loathing there perhaps? confirming I hate myself, but watching all the angry nerdragers get worked up into a fury over an internet spaceship name change gives my life amusement calm down its only a game
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:23:00 - [640] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Marcus Druallis I love how people like you are claiming that people in this topic "care too much and need to get a life". However, you are posting in the very same topic, and are watching it unfold as well. Bit of self loathing there perhaps? confirming I hate myself, but watching all the angry nerdragers get worked up into a fury over an internet spaceship name change gives my life amusement delicious emorage nerd tears
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:26:00 - [641] did i miss any, o thief, master of the recycled meme?
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:30:00 - [642] Originally by: Hanabi Kazan did i miss any, o thief, master of the recycled meme? we wouldnt be able to use those memes, if goons weren't quite so predictable and cliched when it came to all things internet spaceship so really, you bring it on yourself
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:33:00 - [643] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Hanabi Kazan did i miss any, o thief, master of the recycled meme? we wouldnt be able to use those memes, if goons weren't quite so predictable and cliched when it came to all things internet spaceship so really, you bring it on yourself what does this even mean (thought of another one)
Captain ULTIMATE Amarr Maximum Pulsing Golden Laser Geddongs with Lasers	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:47:00 - [644] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE Hahahahah you still don't get it maybe you should start over and read from the beginning I really hope you can join the rest of us up here man. I'm rooting for you. o/\o You're either trolling or incredibly stupid, which is it? Bro I just want you to take part in this thread to the fullest of your ability. To do this you have to first be able to grasp the issue, which you have demonstrated over and over to be too difficult for you which makes me sad. :( Maybe a good start would be to petition CCP right now to change your alliance name to something really cool like Kirk'n'Khan. Tell them you deserve the admiration and respect that Kenzoku did and that you too should be able to change your name because you want to without repercussion. Make sure to post back!
Vimiko Engren Minmatar Mass Production	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:51:00 - [645] Originally by: OldPueblo Originally by: Vimiko Engren Much like the fair way someone has gone in and taken the Kenzoku name as a corporation now, amirite. I think you'd be surprised at how little that being reversed would matter. Especially since in this case it would be filed under "never should have happened" which IS grounds for CCP intervention. Nope. The name became available (doesn't matter how), and was taken within normal game mechanics, right? Much like the Band of Brothers name. No going back now
Chadley Bradley Gallente Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:24:00 - [646] Originally by: Vimiko Engren Originally by: OldPueblo Originally by: Vimiko Engren Much like the fair way someone has gone in and taken the Kenzoku name as a corporation now, amirite. I think you'd be surprised at how little that being reversed would matter. Especially since in this case it would be filed under "never should have happened" which IS grounds for CCP intervention. Nope. The name became available (doesn't matter how), and was taken within normal game mechanics, right? Much like the Band of Brothers name. No going back now I think the point that most people opposed are making is that they were NOT normal game mechanics. So you might get some flak for that. -Chadley
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:37:00 - [647] Originally by: Vimiko Engren Originally by: OldPueblo Originally by: Vimiko Engren Much like the fair way someone has gone in and taken the Kenzoku name as a corporation now, amirite. I think you'd be surprised at how little that being reversed would matter. Especially since in this case it would be filed under "never should have happened" which IS grounds for CCP intervention. Nope. The name became available (doesn't matter how), and was taken within normal game mechanics, right? Much like the Band of Brothers name. No going back now The pivotal quesion is HOW it became available. In terms of BoB originally, it was "BoB itself" that made the name available when Haargoth kicked everyone out so it was legitimately free. An alliance disbanding/name change for an invalid reason though is subject to CCP intervention (bugs, offensive, etc). Even then, the name is not the heart of the issue. Their choice to join Kenzoku long ago and not create a new alliance, and then now going back on that choice after having benefited from it is the issue. As well as nobody ELSE being able to change their name still.
Covenn Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:01:00 - [648] Originally by: Hanabi Kazan Originally by: Covenn LOL - This thread is pretty funny. You all act like if some defector from (Goonswarm, MM, Razor etc) were to disband your alliance... then have your alliance name taken, all your space taken, that you would all just roll over and take it, and say "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Give me a break. nope, we would * and complain and petition Fixed
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:06:00 - [649] So, basically, what everyone is saying, and forgive me because i'm finally reading COAD, is that CCP jumped in again and hooked BoB up with a name change that shouldnt have happened? If this is 100% true, for those of you all raising a stink about it. What do you plan on doing when CCP doesnt do anything about it? You all going to emo rage quit?
Kinet Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:24:00 - [650] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Lem2J When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Jade, I think your missing the actual cause that has most of us angry. As noted above CCP set precedence for renaming an alliance. When the BOB name was taken, most of us agree it should have been given back BUT that soverenty should have been lost. That didnt happen and CCP handled it incorrectly and inconsistantly. THEN after two months they allowed Kenzoku to rename without losing sov or recreating the alliance. I think I speak for many of us here when I say it is not about BOB getting their name back, it is about CCP continuing to make mistakes and not follow precedence when dealing with matters between GS and BOB. It's like a dev war between little kids, those with BOB doing what they can to help them and those with GS doing what they can to help them. CCP needs to act like an adult and apply the same policy to everyone regardless of having devs in the group. Thats not happening, even you admit that based on the CoW actions that BOB should have gotten its name back two months ago. Why did this not happen? Even you have to admit that CCP is handling these events badly. What happened to all that talk the last time to putting auditing in place for the devs? What happened to the big internal investigation department and other nonsense that CCP told the media was going into effect to protect the paying customers from dev misconduct? How is the CSM going to help prevent the devs and GMs from making these kinds of mistakes?
Zeph1rus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:27:00 - [651] Originally by: Invelious So, basically, what everyone is saying, and forgive me because i'm finally reading COAD, is that CCP jumped in again and hooked BoB up with a name change that shouldnt have happened? If this is 100% true, for those of you all raising a stink about it. What do you plan on doing when CCP doesnt do anything about it? You all going to emo rage quit? No, I believe, as per their previous alliance name, that we are going to take it and **** all over it. Just like we shat all over their capfleet, space, allies and this thread.
Yarik Mendel Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:38:00 - [652] Originally by: Cautet Because the masses either don't care or agree with the change. Just because whineswarm and their allies disagree with something and flood the forums with ****posts doesn't mean they have popular support. but I thought whineswarm naptrain was 99% of Eve? Make up your mind, else you come up looking silly.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:40:00 - [653] Originally by: Shikome Alluin Seriously Jade, answer me this: Why did .BoB. not loose sov + have to pay the 1 billion isk like COW had to? Because in my opinion the GM decision was wrong in this case. Using the precedent of the COW disband and blocking corp rename the GM's should have immediately renamed the Band of Brothers corporation in Goonswarm control and invited Bob leadership to reform their alliance then and there. GMs made a hash of this - they took way too long to reach a decision and were (in my opinion) swayed by fear of negative PR from the inevitable goon backlash whatever they did. As a result we've got the current compromise solution that pleases nobody much and hasn't resolved the issue of Goons being favoured by GM team upholding their identity theft. Quote: Yes Cow was disbanded because of unpaid bills, but they had to pay the Alliance registration fee and reform their alliance. I agree - Band of Brothers should have paid 1billion isk to reform Band of Brothers once the goon blocking corp was removed. Quote: .BoB. was KenZuko at the time of the name change to "Reloaded", thus its only logical they would have to disband KenZuko to reform "Reloaded" is it not? Yes it is logical and the only reason this hasn't happened is a poor compromise that has been reached because the GM's haven't acted to remove the goon blocking corp. Quote: They got special treatment, CCP bending above examples rules and bypassing the sov loss and registration fee. Goons received special treatment in having the band of brothers alt blocking corp remain in game when such tactics have led to similar corps being renamed in the past. BOB received special treatment in an attempt to reach a compromise decision that didn't risk igniting a goon threadnaught of rage (oh the naivety). Quote: You can not ignore this! I know you will try though... Why on earth would I ignore this. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:48:00 - [654] Originally by: Kinet Jade, I think your missing the actual cause that has most of us angry. As noted above CCP set precedence for renaming an alliance. When the BOB name was taken, most of us agree it should have been given back BUT that soverenty should have been lost. I agree. Quote: That didnt happen and CCP handled it incorrectly and inconsistantly. I agree again. Quote: THEN after two months they allowed Kenzoku to rename without losing sov or recreating the alliance. I think I speak for many of us here when I say it is not about BOB getting their name back, it is about CCP continuing to make mistakes and not follow precedence when dealing with matters between GS and BOB. And again. I completely agree. This matter has not been handled well. CCP have behaved with partiality favouring first GOONs then BOB and pleasing nobody. Quote: It's like a dev war between little kids, those with BOB doing what they can to help them and those with GS doing what they can to help them. CCP needs to act like an adult and apply the same policy to everyone regardless of having devs in the group. Absolutely. Quote: Thats not happening, even you admit that based on the CoW actions that BOB should have gotten its name back two months ago. Why did this not happen? If I was on the CSM at the moment I'd be asking that question as a very serious matter of course. It was a terrible mistake that CCP let this go on as long as it has. Quote: Even you have to admit that CCP is handling these events badly. What happened to all that talk the last time to putting auditing in place for the devs? Yes I completely agree. None of this scandal and froth would have happened if CCP simply renamed the goon alt corp in the first place and allowed BOB to re-establish their alliance with the proper name for the bargain fee of 1b isk. Quote: What happened to the big internal investigation department and other nonsense that CCP told the media was going into effect to protect the paying customers from dev misconduct? How is the CSM going to help prevent the devs and GMs from making these kinds of mistakes? Well I'm not currently on the CSM of course, but if I had been chair when this matter broke back I'd have tabled the matter as a priority to take to CCP. I can see absolutely no justification for GMs not renaming the goon alt corp that blocked the reformation of band of brothers for the 1b isk fee. Hope this is informative. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Captain ULTIMATE Amarr Maximum Pulsing Golden Laser Geddongs with Lasers	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:48:00 - [655] Edited by: Captain ULTIMATE on 25/03/2009 18:48:10 I don't know, here's a reason: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1033628
Poopsock Alarmclock Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:50:00 - [656] Edited by: **sock Alarmclock on 25/03/2009 18:50:25 Originally by: Jade Constantine :words: Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? efb and I don't care crew checkin' in
Vladic Ka Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:50:00 - [657] Up yours Jade. Get back in your hole. OMG THEY RESSURECTED KENNY. THOSE BASTARDS.
Zeph1rus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:51:00 - [658] Edited by: Zeph1rus on 25/03/2009 18:53:47 Quote: Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples Hey Jade, how does it feel to always be horribly miserably wrong? Hope this was informative!
Shikome Alluin Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:53:00 - [659] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Shikome Alluin You can not ignore this! I know you will try though... Why on earth would I ignore this. Ok, you did not, actually there¦s some very good responses by you, I'm kind of surprised at the moment... Its a trap isn't it? :P - Aloha mr Hand
DeBleu14 Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:01:00 - [660] Originally by: Jade Constantine Using the precedent by precedent you mean t20 and aurora, right just helping you out there Jade buddy high fives all around is there anything asterisks can't do
Vladic Ka Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:02:00 - [661] Like my new sig?
Talzaris Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:03:00 - [662] Edited by: Talzaris on 25/03/2009 19:03:56 Welcome the soon-to-be newest member corp to GoonSwarm: Clicky
Aiden Tyrik Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:04:00 - [663] This thread is a rollercoaster of emotions im applying my alts to the Band of Brothers Reloaded corp [.BOB.] now

CCP Navigator Minmatar C C P	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:05:00 - [664] Thread locked. No longer relevant. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Games, Create a petition on a forum issue.

Dramaticus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:05:00 - [665] im running out of alts Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan

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