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Mathieollo Ind Inc 1	Posted - 2012.05.04 00:37:00 - [331] - Quote looks very nice and like a huge improvement to the inventory system as it currently as is as well as the UI overall, i just hope that windows that are pinned behave properly after session changes as well, a small annoyance but a pretty big hurdle to intuitive usability overall.
Captain Megadeath Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2012.05.04 00:56:00 - [332] - Quote Dennie Fleetfoot wrote: The reason I have that window open all the times is two fold. Firstly, as has been mentioned many times in this thread It's a quick and easy way to check on ammo levels and cargo space remaining. Secondly, when I dock the old UI remembers which windows were open and where I put them and the fact that I've docked in a station so it should open them for me. That way I can drag and drop loot into the open containers as to how I sort them. I don't need the tree or filters. I know where I keep my stuff. I shouldn't have to reopen boxes every time I dock. It's a lose of previous functionality while gaining nothing new in return. And here is something the devs will have overlooked. Mining ops... Hulks need 2 windows open, cargo hold and the Orca corp hanger Orca needs 3 windows open, cargo hold, corp hanger and ore hold hauler orca needs 4 windows open, cargo hold, corp hanger, ore hold and the static orcas corp hanger. Simple drag and drop for all tasks. Seriously CCP, MAKE IT OPTIONAL!!!
Badden Powell Future Dynamics Needless Friends 0	Posted - 2012.05.04 00:56:00 - [333] - Quote i made it halfway through the devblog before i couldn't help but weep tears of joy. Call me a sissy nancy if you must but i like what i'm seeing here
Rynnik Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 12	Posted - 2012.05.04 01:24:00 - [334] - Quote Palovana wrote: Rynnik wrote: Please please come up with some sort of cargo hold option that is slim and minimalistic so that it could (as a random example) show just how many cap boosters you have left or something. The large minimum size, fat menus at top and bottom all take up way too much screen space for the situations where you want to PVP with the cargo hold open, and that information really isn't important a lot of the time even though it is shiny and fun. Possibly right-click an item and select "Show only this type" or "Show only this exact item"? The problem isn't the items in the window. The problem is the window itself. I don't really care how much my cargo bay contents are worth in the middle of a fight. I very much care that I can check on vital resources at a glance without the visual distraction and amount of space the current UI provides.
MotherMoon Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 600	Posted - 2012.05.04 01:25:00 - [335] - Quote win Rynnik wrote: Palovana wrote: Rynnik wrote: Please please come up with some sort of cargo hold option that is slim and minimalistic so that it could (as a random example) show just how many cap boosters you have left or something. The large minimum size, fat menus at top and bottom all take up way too much screen space for the situations where you want to PVP with the cargo hold open, and that information really isn't important a lot of the time even though it is shiny and fun. Possibly right-click an item and select "Show only this type" or "Show only this exact item"? The problem isn't the items in the window. The problem is the window itself. I don't really care how much my cargo bay contents are worth in the middle of a fight. I very much care that I can check on vital resources at a glance without the visual distraction and amount of space the current UI provides. sooo... your mad over about 12 pixels being taken up by a bar that tells you how full your cargo is? nerd Badden Powell wrote: i made it halfway through the devblog before i couldn't help but weep tears of joy. Call me a sissy nancy if you must but i like what i'm seeing here speak it brother! seriously this, the neo neocom, and FW changes might be enough to finally get me back into eve with giving up a week in to the poor interface which is what happen last year. any word on the drone UI? I saw the screenshots of it, is it coming out soon? that would be the final push, I hate playing a game where there is so much stuff that is so obviously broken and badly designed. But we are getting closer to eve being well designed and powerful.
Cerulean Ice EVE University Ivy League 18	Posted - 2012.05.04 01:30:00 - [336] - Quote Was going through Sisi to see the new manticore and launchers (GÖÑGÖÑGÖÑ) but then I went and opened my cargohold to load up bombs and torps... and SURPRISE inventory window! Very well done. There's one big thing that bugs me though. I merge ships and items with the station services window so I can always see my ships and active ship before undocking. But now, my active ship doesn't even show up in the Ships portion of the window! Add it back please. When I'm in captains' quarters, that highlighted ship is the fastest way for me to see what ship is active.
Oberine Noriepa 711	Posted - 2012.05.04 01:33:00 - [337] - Quote D3F4ULT wrote: I love the new UI, but please redo the Drone interface first!!!!! I imagine this will roll out with all of the other HUD improvements that were shown at Fanfest.
Alx Warlord SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave 104	Posted - 2012.05.04 01:51:00 - [338] - Quote CCP, it is an awesome work, i just cant belive it!!!!! too good to be truth.... Does we also get a way to store thing in POS, i mean personal, not corporative?
Oberine Noriepa 711	Posted - 2012.05.04 01:59:00 - [339] - Quote Gizan wrote: OH for the love of god dont force me into using MORE stuff i dont want to use. please allow this "tree stuff" to be optional..... last thing i need is more windows where you right click and they fold over on them selves from right to left........................................................... (inserts 12312412 more lines of dots) You've seriously got to be kidding. This new inventory is an improvement in just about every way. Tippia wrote: Like I said during the fanfest roundtable: Filters are nice, but give us GÇ£virtual containersGÇ¥ to create folders that don't have volume limits. Other than that, yay! Please add this!
Grimmash 0rder of the Golden Dawn Etherium Cartel 2	Posted - 2012.05.04 02:14:00 - [340] - Quote This may have already been asked, but: Please add ME and PE as column views for BPOs and BPCs! That is all.

Marwolaeth Arglwydd Dark-Force 2	Posted - 2012.05.04 02:36:00 - [341] - Quote Looks and works well except when im trying to figure out which ship is which. Mine are all named and I sometimes forget what ship I named what. If we could have the ship type in brackets next to the ship name would be awesome. Just in the tree that is.
Hakaru Ishiwara Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 116	Posted - 2012.05.04 02:44:00 - [342] - Quote God help w-space dwellers should their corp hangar arrays go **** up when this is rolled out on Tranq. Otherwise, some neat ideas here with the window consolidation and the hierarchical menu system. Edit: Is this unified inventory window aware of the state in which it was left after I exit a particular ship and then return to it at a later point in time? In other words, when I get back into my trusty CovOps will its inventory immediately pop up with an appropriately sized window and the same "view" that I had open when I last used the ship? If so, then great. If not, is there an alternate way to make this scenario take place? Otherwise, this new bit of design bling is a loss of functionality / utility for my day-to-day play. Oh crap, I just realized that this window, should I choose to look at inventory in-station, will have to be fiddled with and re-sized from the nearly minimized sizing that I use with my ship inventory when flying around in-space. And, yes, I have my cargo inventory window open to keep tabs on ammo and other consumables. Ugh this is going to cause more clicks and UI interactions simply to create the same functionality. Is it possible to have in-play multiple inventory windows with this new design? 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters ~~284~~286
Christopher Crusman Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.05.04 03:21:00 - [343] - Quote I'd like to see an "Expected Price Per m^3" filter, as well as the Expected Price Per Unit, but understand if the extra calculation step would make that iffy compared to straight-up database queries. Also strongly looking forward to a "multi-sell" feature, ideally with customizable options for how far outside of normal market price to accept before it flashes a warning for that item. Seems like using this in space for mass-looting could be awkward, but I'm sure that's been considered :) Looks great, and thanks for all the hard work Team Game of Drones!
Malice Redeemer Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate 3	Posted - 2012.05.04 03:45:00 - [344] - Quote " I want the active ship to have a separate window for its cargo hold. I want that window in the same place both in space AND in station. I want it to stay there till I want to close it. " And on top of this I want the windows for my ships and hanger to be tabed the way they used to be. And stay where I put them. I find the nested list counterintuitive. The way it keeps opening to new windows in itself and not opening new ones, the way it keep changing to whatever my mouse is over, its just bad!
Rockius Templar Corps Army of Dark Shadows 3	Posted - 2012.05.04 04:07:00 - [345] - Quote Its... Its so.... its so beautiful....... T.T
Grey Stormshadow draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1118	Posted - 2012.05.04 04:08:00 - [346] - Quote Malice Redeemer wrote: " I want the active ship to have a separate window for its cargo hold. I want that window in the same place both in space AND in station. I want it to stay there till I want to close it. " And on top of this I want the windows for my ships and hanger to be tabed the way they used to be. And stay where I put them. I find the nested list counterintuitive. The way it keeps opening to new windows in itself and not opening new ones, the way it keep changing to whatever my mouse is over, its just bad! It is not bad... it is just unfinished and unpolished. Separate window positions for space/station they promised to fix already so that "done deal". One of other major key issues is to get shift clicking various icons/items/labels/containers as universal way to inform the client that you should be opening new separate window. That is far from done deal at the moment. Details here. Get
Swidgen Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.05.04 04:47:00 - [347] - Quote It looks nice and has potential. Nobody should be holding out for an option to have it work "the old way", however, because it seems as though getting rid of the old code was part of the reason they did this. It comes down to CCP devs having one tool for item collections, a hammer, and when you only have a hammer every problem looks like a nail. EVE has always had problems with the idea of "containers". They almost never go more than 2 levels deep. That's why they are in love with their lists and filters for those lists. Everything is in one pile, and depending on the filter criteria an item is shown or not shown. They did it with the contact list a couple of years ago. You used to be able to make sub-folders of contacts. They took that away and gave us "labels". Labels are useful but not as useful as sub-folders. Same thing with bookmarks. Same thing with the new eve-mail system. Same thing with the in-game notepad. No subfolders for you because nested containers don't fit in with our "one list to rule them all" development methodology. Going more than one layer deep on containers has never been their strong suit. I guess lists are faster to process than recursively looking inside nested containers, but hot dam if it doesn't make everything look like a nail. Going forward this looks like it has a lot of potential, like I said above, but it's a paradigm shift in how people manage their inventories, and this time it's more than just "getting used to it". If's a fundamental shift and if it improves the efficiency of the software greatly then it's an acceptable tradeoff, imo, for the limited functionality that results. It can do a few nice new shiny tricks, but there are drawbacks using this one-size-fits-all approach.
Ampoliros Aperture Harmonics K162 47	Posted - 2012.05.04 04:59:00 - [348] - Quote CCP Optimal wrote: Just wanted to note that due to popular demand we've made changes so that the inventory window will have two sets of width, height, position and tree collapsed/expanded settings; one for stations and one for space, so you'll be able to configure it as you please for both scenarios. Groovy. If possible, i'd prefer you could add the potential for more settings based on where you are or how you open the inventory screen. I'd love to have it use one setting where i'm in space at my POS (where i'm going to want the tree and a big window) and a different setting when i want to loot someone's wreck (where i want a small window and small tree), and not have to resize it down or up each time.
MotherMoon Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 602	Posted - 2012.05.04 05:19:00 - [349] - Quote Quote: As we mentioned before, we are on a crusade against the amount of open windows it requires to pull off any given operation in EVE O.O but but, I like that, ti's part of what makes eve, eve, you know? You have at any time only have about 20% of your screen be the pretty ship graphics, and the other 80% of the screen is windows and graphs, markets, fitting, mail, browser to check corp forum. Maybe your cargo or drone bay is open. then you have the overview on the side, and the you have to make sure the area the targets comes up is clear so you can see the guys you target. plus you have your drone window. Plus you need the main UI with your ship hp and such. That's eve man. /sarcasm But seriously I don't think I've ever heard a more forward thinking intelligent goal for eve, since back in 2007. Bravo
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6386	Posted - 2012.05.04 05:36:00 - [350] - Quote CCP Optimal wrote: Just wanted to note that due to popular demand we've made changes so that the inventory window will have two sets of width, height, position and tree collapsed/expanded settings; one for stations and one for space, so you'll be able to configure it as you please for both scenarios. I might have missed it, but how (if at all) will it save its state if you have multiple inventory windows open? Like many others have mentioned in this thread, there are situations and use cases where you want to have all that information available at a glance, and possibly have it set up so that you always have that information availableGÇª GÇªbut with most shift-click-for-a-new-window items in EVE, those additional windows aren't saved when you close the client or even just go for a session change. Basically, will I still be able to set it up so that, every time I enter space, I get three windows (cargo/dronebay, remote asset list, cargo cans/wrecks/other space containers) that are open at all times? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.

Chal0ner Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 32	Posted - 2012.05.04 05:59:00 - [351] - Quote No chance someone sees this down here but hope's eternal GÇª Please SMAs, Corp hangars, include them ....
Akiriy Azuriko Bite Me inc Exhale. 4	Posted - 2012.05.04 06:20:00 - [352] - Quote I LOVE THIS <3
TheSmokingHertog Black Hole INC 31	Posted - 2012.05.04 06:37:00 - [353] - Quote Just wondering, What happenes if you make a filter and use the CRTL A setting within the inventory field...? Does it just copy the visable items (Like the Advanced Copy buttin in MSexcel), or all items in said inventory field (like MSexcel?
Daedra Blue Atomic Biohazard 13	Posted - 2012.05.04 07:08:00 - [354] - Quote I would like to congratulate you on this effort and i keep and open mind to test the new features in order to find out how efficient they are. Great Job Guys! I guess now would be a right time to change the corp hanger divisions to unlimited and self creating as in the following: Guy Creates corp -> Guy Opens corp Hanger -> Hanger Divisions = 1 => "Default Division" Guy renames "Default Division" to "Ammo" Ammo shows in your tree view. From now on guy can choose to ADD New Division to add as many as he needs wants and ca also select permissions for view/interact with each one either on a per dude or a configured roles. TYVM! From the people who need more then 7 miracles.
MotherMoon Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 606	Posted - 2012.05.04 07:43:00 - [355] - Quote OMG, I didn't understand how important of a change to eve this was untill I tried it out today. This literally changes the way you play the game. "Oh, yeah, it also shows containers, effectively making them quite usable, as opposed to the biggest usability violators in the history of videogames" ok this nuts I remember when people asked if we could get folders in our items window, or if containers could be used as folders more official since that's what we had to use. Now you've officially made them the most useful tool ever, it literally is a folder now in a lot of ways. Awesome work guys. "We plan to break out a lot of the per-item options that are now hidden in a right click menu to proper icon buttons. Among those options are functions like GÇÿSellGÇÖ (multi-sell anyone?), Assemble, Trash and so forth. Right-clicking is fun and all but GÇª yeah." This is amazing, I remember when eve said in right in the tutorial, when in douth, right click it. And while I still believe this should always be true, since it means it's always easy to figure out what something does by right clicking it, making real buttons and UI for eve is enough to make me want to return to my year long subs that I haven' gotten for 3 years. I've just been popping in for a month a ta time every expansion to see whats going on with eve. But if you guys keep going in this direction of, less right clicking, more buttons, I feel like it would be so much easier to teach my friends how to play eve! you guys are so awesome! now my favorite team, where can I buy your Drones of war official fan T-shirt?
Veng3ance Illicit Technologies 0	Posted - 2012.05.04 07:43:00 - [356] - Quote I appreciate you allowing us to shift click and open new windows. However, please allow this to be a permanent option in the options menu. I personally like to see multiple windows at the same time and would appreciate not having to shift click every single time. Thank you.
Ciar Meara Virtus Vindice 644	Posted - 2012.05.04 07:45:00 - [357] - Quote casual corpse collector (wait, what?) I love my corpses, but now I can love em even more ... - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Ytamii Arval Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.05.04 08:20:00 - [358] - Quote What I spend more time doing than any other single activity is: fitting ships, with both the Fitting window and a container window open next to each other. Just tested this, and it cannot be done with the new giant-ass inventory window. Having to manually drag out windows to simulate the way I've always worked is a poor workaround for the following reasons: Takes much longer to accomplish the same thing. Have to setup the UI from scratch every single time=fail. There's far more UI lag than ever before (and it was already terrible). [In the past I've found that everything works much faster on test than live, so this bodes ill.] Breaks what little immersion remains; there's no justification or explanation for such an interface. Containers are reduced to being merely folders, and probably will see little use going forward. Likewise, ships are reduced to mere folders--nothing feels 'real' anymore; it is indeed like using an OS for file management, instead of like playing an MMORPG. I don't pay $15 a month to role play 'outer space file clerk.' The unified is too big to be practical for anyone other than station squatters. Just another nail in the 'spreadsheet game' coffin. Who needs ships and guns when you can play with filters? The conceptualization is good; the application is unusable. It needs to be one quarter the current size, probably impossible with the new non-scalable 'improved' fonts. Really, think about it: your solution for the screen being covered with inventory windows is to cover the screen with an inventory window??? Your own screenies condemn your efforts: the inventory window coverage in the 'after' shots are just as screen-filling as those in the 'before' shots. Plus it takes much longer to get anything accomplished. Where's the improvement? You've replaced real physical organization with increased user-effort. Another CCP 'solution in search of a problem.' Why do I want to be annoyed with ship cargo hold contents when I'm moving items from station to container? Must do better. Less is more. [BTW, I hide the tree navigation pane in windows file explorer because it serves no purpose.] And 'estimated isk value' is worthless nonsense; not ever am I going to sell everything I own all at once--knowing it's theoretical value tells me nothing. As it always has been--Devs fiddle while Jita burns. Drones please.
Harrigan VonStudly The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion. 23	Posted - 2012.05.04 08:30:00 - [359] - Quote Excellent! I'd like to offer a small suggestion. Rather than type it all out again I'll just link it. Hopefully that's ok. Small suggestion offered inside
Pierced Brosmen Priory Of The Lemon 63	Posted - 2012.05.04 08:47:00 - [360] - Quote I got some time to have a look at this on SISI yesterday and for in-station inventory operations it looks promising to reduce having lots of windows cluttering up the screen when you have a lot of stuff to manage. However.... one window that I ALWAYS have open, regardless if being in space or in station, is the ship cargo hold. It is a small window at the edge of the screen and it is used in space to keep track of several things, like (1) the ammount of charges I have left, (2) to make sure I actualy picked up and is carrying an ipmortant item (mission item, courier package etc.) or (3) how much cargo space I have left, etc. In station it's also for quick reference on for example what ammo loadout I have so I know if I must change it for different damage types before undocking. This window is set to be as minimalistic as possible, so it would need to be separate from the regular inventory window cause all other windows I use for inventory management are a lot larger. I know I can shift click to get the carghold to display in a separate window, but I'm not very keen on having to do this every time I log in (especialy since I use 4-5 accounts at the same time, each with a similar but adapted set-up of where cargohold and station hangar window is displayed (it was annoying enough when the cargohold stopped loading on logging in while docked, back when carbonUI was put on TQ). I also hope that this can be set up so that the main inventory window opens when docking and closes or minimizes when undocking... And please... have a toggle that lets you open wrecks or jet-cans in space in old-style small windows and not have the entire inventory window open when you just want to loot something (like when you have emptied a wreck, the window closes by itself, is essential) I know this comes off more as a rant, but for the most part I only need 2 windows... the cargohold that I want to see always, and the station hangar that I want to see when I'm docked without having to do something to display it. The way I have organized my windows they are in their optimal positions and sizes and I'd really like to keep it that way... For other and more in-depth inventory management tasks however, I think the inventory window can be a very good thing



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