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Challu
Wishful Desires Inc.
Armada Assail
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Posted - 2012.05.23 03:27:00 -
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CCP, please test this kinda stuff with staff members who actually play the more repetitive parts of the game, like POS management, manufacturing, invention etc. They would have told you how irritating all this extra clicking and scrolling is.
Incidentally, it seems that all these concerns were raised when the inventory system was put on Sisi - you really didn't think any of those concerns were serious?! |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.05.23 03:32:00 -
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Challu wrote:CCP, please test this kinda stuff with staff members who actually play the more repetitive parts of the game, like POS management, manufacturing, invention etc. They would have told you how irritating all this extra clicking and scrolling is.
Incidentally, it seems that all these concerns were raised when the inventory system was put on Sisi - you really didn't think any of those concerns were serious?!
My main was one of those posting on Sisi Forum. Yes, I feel rather insulted. Tippia is probably REAL po'd doing all that video work and everything about it.
It was all ignored. Not one change in over a month from Day 1.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Empidonax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 04:08:00 -
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Inventory windows are opened in pairs, to move things from one window to the other. When I press the shortcuts I have for ship's cargo and hangar inventory, I expect to find two windows open so I can drag items from one to the other.
I was happy before when I would dock and the hangar floor and my ship's cargo were both already open every time I docked. |
Logicycle
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
2
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Posted - 2012.05.23 04:47:00 -
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From the Unified Window Devblog:
As we mentioned before, we are on a crusade against the amount of open windows it requires to pull off any given operation in EVE. A little research, as well as our personal experience, made it clear that the inventory UI was, and to this date is, a big offender in that context.
This is the entire reasoning behind making the Unified Window.
I don't recall anyone ever complaining about their being too many windows in the game. |
HaleyBerries
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.23 05:12:00 -
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Ok SERIOUSLY, I let the new patch load and all that crap, expected that the new system was something ppl who didnt like change were complaining about, then i landed at my POS and tried to do...well ANYTHING
Got pissed and logged out
IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING HOLY AND DEAR WHAT THE FRAK IS THIS CRAP??????????
I actually regained respect for CCP over the last several months cause they were doing a great job but obviously CCPs brains went to orbit with the POD launch and never came back.
Just setting all 4 of my accounts (which I stupidly pay for on my credit card every month) not to renew this time around, will come back in a couple months to see if CCP pulled the head outta their ass or not cause this new system just wastes any time and effeciency at doing anything down to the point of if I wanna work a boring tedious job Ill go get a second RL job cause at least I get paid to be bored and pissed off. |
Delivery Boi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 05:19:00 -
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I (think) I like the direction Unified Inventory (UI) is going, once yall fix the "open on every single session change" and "remembering window position".
But I would really love to see the m3 used (or free, toggle option?) next to the container / hold / bay / etc in the UI Index pane. If the number ends up being too long, calculated as a decimal or percent would be fine too... it'd be nice to have some indication of free space without actually "opening" the container.
Being able to collapse the "estimated value" section would be spiffy too (or remove it and summon it on demand from elsewhere).
EDIT: I also just noticed dropping onto tabs doesn't work as it used to:
I shift-clicked two containers to get them in separate windows (Orca cargo hold and ore hold). I drop one of the new windows onto the other so they are now tabbed in a single window. I used to be able to drag items from the active tab and drop directly onto the tab of the other container in the window (moving from cargo/corp hangar to ore hold). |
Cord Binchiette
Kzinti Hegemony
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Posted - 2012.05.23 05:19:00 -
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The simplest solution is just simply to roll back the servers and replace the inventory system with the old one.
Then just take a month or two and come up with a workable solution. Really, there was no real rush to make fixes to a system that worked.
Oh, this time...do a Heuristic analysis of the inventory system. If you don't know what that is, google it. You wouldn't be in this mess if you did that the first time. |
Kor Kilden
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc.
Can't Undock. Won't Undock
6
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Posted - 2012.05.23 05:34:00 -
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It'd have been nice if you engaged in that mutilitation of the assets window instead of my ship's cargo bay. I leave that open, in the lower left corner, in a short wide window with the log and chats. Now it's barely big enough to see more than a few items in the cargo at a time.
And when are blueprint copies getting a different name or group instead of a new picture? I always use text, not graphics, for my inventories. |
Kor Kilden
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc.
Can't Undock. Won't Undock
6
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Posted - 2012.05.23 05:54:00 -
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And please fix chat channels so they don't show offline people... back to the old behavior would be nice... local and corp chats now lie to me. |
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
2
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Posted - 2012.05.23 06:21:00 -
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Had to confirm.... I can say with a heavy heart that trying to loot and salvage after a mission is now officially an ordeal.
What was once quick, easy, and debatably fun extra cash cleaning up after my level 4's in a Noctis is now slow, frustrating, and unfun.
Furthermore, trying to drag several hundred items from a cargo hold to the item hanger, stacking, sorting, and reprocessing things makes me wish I could do without inventory all together. Just... man. I'm sad.
Perhaps that is the true goal of the unified inventory experiment... to make me want to give away my 6 billion m3 of crap I've stockpiled in my hanger over the years and make me fly ships that use no ammo, never salvages or loots, and never has to swap out equipment. |
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Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2012.05.23 06:28:00 -
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I have said it before and im saying it again:
This new window would be great replacement for the assets window, not for inventory windows.
CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental-áand Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order. |
GoldenBoy Odunen
Space Bastards
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 06:43:00 -
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First time to post just for this, +1 here (not quite ready for release)  .
I would request that a windows that has been shift clicked and moved, such as hangar items come back that way.
Having things pop up inside the window where i want to drag items from isn't very handy.
I pray the DT patch pixies will have mercy on us very soon. |
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
192
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Posted - 2012.05.23 07:02:00 -
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I would suggest to roll back to the old (hundreds of own, seperate but adjustable windows) and burn the sh!t new UI, Also fire CCP Arrow.
As I stated on January. WE DO NOT NEED ONE WINDOW WITH ALL INFORMATIONS!!!! What a bullsh!it is this? It was possible to drag ALL windows together onto one useless window till yesterday. But no one did this. Because it is and always was a bad ide. Why do you think, that one for all window is a good idea now?
Horrible ****!
Fire Arrow!
Roll back!
-10 for your work Mr. Arrow and your team! Not necessary nor ever wanted! Bad idea in the beginning!
If there is an planned activity like shooting a statue in Jita; let me know. I will be there. |
Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
85
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Posted - 2012.05.23 07:33:00 -
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From the dev blog
If your client looks like that (with the old, tried, tested and otherwise fully functional UI) when you manage your inventory, you're doing it wrong.... VERY WRONG.
I can understand the wish for reducing the number of windows, but with a tiny bit of organization, the old system could be very tidy, even with many windows open... Having one window to do everything makes things a whole lot more cumbersome. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Invictus Mortalitus
Paradox Initiative
2
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Posted - 2012.05.23 07:34:00 -
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Well.... It's no surprise the Devs think their work is awesome. I mean I would... If I was a dev, but if I was a dev I'd also be an avid player of the game and realize the following:
You would note that many of these changes make life MUCH harder and on occasion impossible to do something while playing, rather then easier.
I'm not going to say that what you did was a waste of time, it looks good, and the concept seems useful, but I would honestly suggest you either A Post an instruction manual for how to transfer things using multiple windows with your new system, and continually keep multiple windows open while transferring items and watching cargo's.
Or B. Role back the system until you actually have one that works instead of a pile of hopes a dreams that's actually just a pile of crap where usefulness is concerned.
Just my 2 sense as a Beta Player, I'm not going anywhere been here to long, but seriously... this makes my life MUCH harder and a chore to play eve rather then fun. |
Terios Corvalis
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 07:39:00 -
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This inventory system supposed to make this game more easier to handle, user friendlier and a lot more cool stuff. Let me sum it up: It FAILED, spectacularly. Please give us people an option to turn it off! |
Josef Djugashvilis
206
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Posted - 2012.05.23 07:51:00 -
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Perhaps CCP should ask those nice folk at Apple Computers how to make stuff user friendly.
No, I am not an Apple fan. They are far too arrogant as a company for my taste.
You want fries with that? |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
115
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Posted - 2012.05.23 07:56:00 -
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Time to move shoting monuments!!! :P
Anger is anger, crap is crap and this inventory a garbage. |
Bo Deepzone
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 08:08:00 -
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I've been annoyed with the new Unified Inventory for a while too, though I do realize that getting used to a new GUI takes time.
Where I struggled to get things accomplished yesterday, today it already comes more naturally and in a weeks time, I'll probably be used to UI.
As such I'll hold off my remarks (positive as well as negative) till CCP has had a chance to fix some of the issues at hand, hopefully as soon as DT today 
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Vedje
Oberon Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.05.23 08:12:00 -
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Hey i have an idea
Maybe CCP can be so kind and implement old inventory, but kinda as dlc in some way
but associated in NEX store. I mean, i am sure everyone would risk a few plex to buy it
and what a wonderful way it would be for ccp to finally sell something!
Alternative would be an attempt to fix the new inventory. This always makes me laugh however,
i wish my job was this fun, fixing stuff i intentionally broke.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
821
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Posted - 2012.05.23 08:29:00 -
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Anybody who created this thing TRIED managing multiple POSes, Orcas etc, possibly on 2-3 clients?
No, else this thing would NEVER have seen the light.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Symlin Raahn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 08:48:00 -
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This Item Hanger should NOT be what is shown when looting a wreck!!!!!!!!!
It makes looting a pain in the ass.
Sometimes trying to play EVE just makes me tired... tired of fighting all the changes CCP makes that cause you to have to redo things. |
Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
86
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Posted - 2012.05.23 08:56:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Anybody who created this thing TRIED managing multiple POSes, Orcas etc, possibly on 2-3 clients?
No, else this thing would NEVER have seen the light.
Wihtout evidence, I still believe CCP's version of testing this regarding POSes is: Set up a tower, one corp hangar, one ship maintenance bay... look at inventory and say "Looks good, let's roll with this"
I haven't even dared visit any of the POSes since monday... Cause I just know it's gonna be bad
Only place so far, I can actualy say I like the new inventory is for courier work... dock at station, drag package from items to cargo within the tree view (short distance) and undock again... It was a positive suprpise, but I bet that is only cause I have very little inventory to manage, wich makes the tree very tidy and short |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
115
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:10:00 -
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Pierced Brosmen wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Anybody who created this thing TRIED managing multiple POSes, Orcas etc, possibly on 2-3 clients?
No, else this thing would NEVER have seen the light. Wihtout evidence, I still believe CCP's version of testing this regarding POSes is: Set up a tower, one corp hangar, one ship maintenance bay... look at inventory and say "Looks good, let's roll with this" I haven't even dared visit any of the POSes since monday... Cause I just know it's gonna be bad Only place so far, I can actualy say I like the new inventory is for courier work... dock at station, drag package from items to cargo within the tree view (short distance) and undock again... It was a positive suprpise, but I bet that is only cause I have very little inventory to manage, wich makes the tree very tidy and short
You forgot tell to us, all guns and crap within grid, you see in your inventory. LOL
You see there the 40km far guns, you see there everything but you cant handling those things, because you need to move to 2500km distance. But i dont understand if something not in 2500km range and i or anything else cant handling those items, why i see in my inventory ? And why wasting my loading times ?
At a death star you see 123576812538534 items guns etc, need half hour for scrolling to find anything and need horrible load time to see those things, what is useless for you and cant handling because far distances.
Who was the smart developer whith this idea ? I hope he will be the first who will fired there. |
Adoniyah
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:31:00 -
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WTF have you done with my items and ships page.. please CCP give a classic option or throw this garbage you call a update away. It really makes me want to not play.. Moving items from hangar to cargo to containers is a *****, not to mention the crap that happens when u try to loot a wreck... PLZ PLZ PLZ CCP give a classic option. |
tasman devil
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
HUN Reloaded
6
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Posted - 2012.05.23 09:58:00 -
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Terios Corvalis wrote:This inventory system supposed to make this game more easier to handle, user friendlier and a lot more cool stuff. Let me sum it up: It FAILED, spectacularly. Please give us people an option to turn it off!
Here, I summed it up too:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1342675#post1342675
Some good ideas, a LOT of bad execs... :P
I don't belive in reincarnation
I've never believed in it in my previous lives either... |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:36:00 -
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Musashibou Benkei wrote:CCP have now fulfilled the interface analogy described in this video. Next, it'll be the "fifty billion different skills" part with race specific skills :P
Had fun watching this, so much truth 
Also: CCP make the "WINDOW" optional plz |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
243
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:38:00 -
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put your new inventory system into trash bin, and give us the old one back.
I dont feel my cargohold should be unified with station item hangar or even SHIPS HANGAR NOT SHOWING MY CURRENT SHIP IM IN.
They are unrelated, they should not be unified, there is no reason and only makes things difficult!! |
Faith Patrouette
Careless Carebears Inc.
29
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Posted - 2012.05.23 10:52:00 -
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This new inventory system is appaling as it is now,
I wont say much different then most that have replied here,
But I do want to say this:
We have seen the lack of communication from CCP before, the not taking feedback from playerbase seriously,
not responding to serious complaints and ideas.
Remember this CCP?
Last time this complete and utter shutdown of communications happened, Hillmar came out with an apology..
Quote:*snip*
We really do have something that no one else has. EVE is still unique in the real and virtual world. This is our vision for her, and we want so badly to take you there. But getting there is not an entitlement. It will take hard work, open communication and, above all else, collaboration with you. The greatest lesson for me is the realization that EVE belongs to you, and we at CCP are just the hosts of your experience. When we channel our passion for EVE constructively, we can make this vision a reality together.
But enough talk from me. We all know that much quoted phrase, GÇ£ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you do,GÇ¥ that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward.
So hillmar and devs responsible for this new UI.. you said back then, there was a serious lack of communication that needed to be fixed,
that there needed to be collaboration with the playerbase.
Yet, 60 pages later, not one of the responsible devs have responded,
worse even, when tested and shot down by playerbase on SISI, devs should have already stopped themselves before going live with this.
We watch what you say (in this case, nothing) And we watch what you do (in this case, hide and ignore playerbase yet again)
Hillmar, never forget valuable lessons learned in the past, apologies will only get you respect when made sincere and not repeated every half a year.
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Symlin Raahn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 11:05:00 -
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Faith Patrouette wrote:This new inventory system is appaling as it is now,
I wont say much different then most that have replied here,
So hillmar and devs responsible for this new UI.. you said back then, there was a serious lack of communication that needed to be fixed,
that there needed to be collaboration with the playerbase.
Yet, 60 pages later, not one of the responsible devs have responded,
worse even, when tested and shot down by playerbase on SISI, devs should have already stopped themselves before going live with this.
Agreed, Faith .
I'm getting tired of this old path again and am seriously thinking of just shutting down my two accounts.
Games are supposed to be fun.
Sometimes trying to play EVE just makes me tired... tired of fighting all the changes CCP makes that cause you to have to redo things. |
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