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Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.05.07 03:58:00 - [151] banhammer banhammer banhammer banhammer banhammer Blueprint Store
Elora Narst	Posted - 2009.05.07 05:45:00 - [152] Originally by: Mista Sexamalicious BTW. I can careless if CCP do not tighten the reigns, If they don't I prob scam the hell out of the community in Char Trades. I would too. As will many other professional scammers. But this will never happen, because it will mean real financial harm to CCP. Which is why the OP will get a banhammer. Or something equally nasty.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.05.07 06:38:00 - [153] Originally by: Elora Narst Originally by: Mista Sexamalicious BTW. I can careless if CCP do not tighten the reigns, If they don't I prob scam the hell out of the community in Char Trades. I would too. As will many other professional scammers. But this will never happen, because it will mean real financial harm to CCP. Which is why the OP will get a banhammer. Or something equally nasty. This is one of those rare cases where I agree with CCP.. Transfers cost real cash, so they cant be messed with. Timecards (as in real ones not PLEXs) cos real case and therefor cant be messed with either.. PLEXs cost a timecard, which is 1 step away from real cash, so its fare game.. Which reminds me...
Arkerius	Posted - 2009.05.07 12:31:00 - [154] Originally by: Lana Torrin This is one of those rare cases where I agree with CCP.. Transfers cost real cash, so they cant be messed with. Timecards (as in real ones not PLEXs) cos real case and therefor cant be messed with either.. PLEXs cost a timecard, which is 1 step away from real cash, so its fare game.. Which reminds me... Lana has spoken... /thread
Karl Kahn Browncoat Coalition	Posted - 2009.05.07 12:42:00 - [155] Originally by: Arkerius Originally by: Lana Torrin This is one of those rare cases where I agree with CCP.. Transfers cost real cash, so they cant be messed with. Timecards (as in real ones not PLEXs) cos real case and therefor cant be messed with either.. PLEXs cost a timecard, which is 1 step away from real cash, so its fare game.. Which reminds me... Lana has spoken... /thread uh oh, req is gonna f u up now.....
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.05.07 12:47:00 - [156] Originally by: Arkerius Originally by: Lana Torrin This is one of those rare cases where I agree with CCP.. Transfers cost real cash, so they cant be messed with. Timecards (as in real ones not PLEXs) cos real case and therefor cant be messed with either.. PLEXs cost a timecard, which is 1 step away from real cash, so its fare game.. Which reminds me... Lana has spoken... /thread I was drunk.... and high...
Arkerius	Posted - 2009.05.07 12:54:00 - [157] Originally by: Karl Kahn Originally by: Arkerius Originally by: Lana Torrin This is one of those rare cases where I agree with CCP.. Transfers cost real cash, so they cant be messed with. Timecards (as in real ones not PLEXs) cos real case and therefor cant be messed with either.. PLEXs cost a timecard, which is 1 step away from real cash, so its fare game.. Which reminds me... Lana has spoken... /thread uh oh, req is gonna f u up now..... shhh! what no one tells req, req doesn't have to know
Fox Ogmo Net 7 The Last Brigade	Posted - 2009.05.07 15:41:00 - [158] Provisional congrats to Everybruce, hope you keep the iskies.
Kaptain Klo	Posted - 2009.05.07 17:31:00 - [159] Just to give you all a quick update, the matter is still in petition, nothing heard either way. Though I have to say, might be hard for him to 'defend' himself being banned already lol. BTW, to give those who were questioning whether or not the buyer read the contract amount an answer - I was reading. I accepted because the seller was clearly distracted/confused. My trust was placed in the system (have yet to see a successful character scam). And while I still fully trust the system to eventually give me my money back, in the future I'll definitely be more careful because a 4day wait on a petition sucks :). And finally, the piece of information that everybruce is leaving out, is that I sent an evemail asking if a 17b buyout for his char would be acceptable to him. Hence 'your offer interests me'. Moreover, his issuance of a counter offer (17.5b + sleipnir) implies acceptance of the offer offered (offferoffer?).
DrWh0 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.05.07 17:37:00 - [160] Originally by: Kaptain Klo And finally, the piece of information that everybruce is leaving out, is that I sent an evemail asking if a 17b buyout for his char would be acceptable to him. Hence 'your offer interests me'. Moreover, his issuance of a counter offer (17.5b + sleipnir) implies acceptance of the offer offered (offferoffer?). Once the GM's see that in the logs then it should be a ban then.
Delphi Grendalus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.07 19:04:00 - [161] Case closed. Character scammers get what they deserve, a big fat BAN. Tear-stained ISK is the best kind of ISK.
Izo Alabaster Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company	Posted - 2009.05.07 19:16:00 - [162] OP should be banned. The buyer was clearly under the legitimate impression that he was going to get a good character for his 17 billion iskies + some assets for 500 mill. OP acquired 17 billion isk from the buyer, but did not provide the character. OP needs to either provide the character to the buyer, or else return the 17.5 billion and take back his ship. OP knew he was character scamming. OP needs a ban, especially because there was in fact a character sell post made in the character transfer forums about his char. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1050855 Good luck to Klo on getting your stuff back. I'm pretty sure CCP will see fit to return your assets, as this was certainly a violation of the trust required to organize character transfers. Originally by: CCP Nozh Are BS useless in solo combat? The larger ship still has many benefits: * Can fit smaller weapons to fend off smaller targets * More slots allow EW counter measures
Lady Cynosural	Posted - 2009.05.07 19:22:00 - [163] its like a yo-yo page 5 was all nicey nicey, public opinion has gone sour again on page 6.. :(
Sator deHarak Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.05.07 19:31:00 - [164] You know, I've held off on replying on this for a while, but I think it breaks down to the scammer faulted, but not by much. Firstly: as long as the character trade could continue AS IS, the ship element is in no way covered by the provisions against character trades. All he would need to do is be able to honor his end of the character trade, provided the person could come up with the isk, and he'd be in the clear in my eyes. Otherwise, one could simply make all contracts with the words GTC or Character trade in them, and be covered by the provisions therein.
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.05.07 20:21:00 - [165] Originally by: Kaptain Klo And finally, the piece of information that everybruce is leaving out, is that I sent an evemail asking if a 17b buyout for his char would be acceptable to him. Hence 'your offer interests me'. Moreover, his issuance of a counter offer (17.5b + sleipnir) implies acceptance of the offer offered (offferoffer?). Just as I thought. Everybruce has not been totally truthful, (as if you could expect that from a known scammer). Could you post the mail, just so we have more to pound lady cyno on?
Michael Corinthos	Posted - 2009.05.07 21:03:00 - [166] Originally by: Megan Aven Originally by: Michael Corinthos OMG HAVE YOU NO VIDEO GAME MORALS?? YOU ALL NEED TO FIND VIDEO GAME JESUS AND GO TO VIDEO GAME CHURCH!!! Are you using video game time to play video games? No, you are using real life time. So if you scam someone for 17.5B in a character scam - think about how much time did he/she had to spend acquiring that. If you kill a team mate on Counterstrike you have no video game morals. But if you "steal" hundreds of hours from someone's life, that's a bit different. I don't care about you OR your hundreds of hours spent grinding in a video game to get your video game hands on some premium video game pixels. I hope you lose everything (ingame).
Imertu Solientai Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.07 21:15:00 - [167] Originally by: Michael Corinthos Originally by: Megan Aven Originally by: Michael Corinthos OMG HAVE YOU NO VIDEO GAME MORALS?? YOU ALL NEED TO FIND VIDEO GAME JESUS AND GO TO VIDEO GAME CHURCH!!! Are you using video game time to play video games? No, you are using real life time. So if you scam someone for 17.5B in a character scam - think about how much time did he/she had to spend acquiring that. If you kill a team mate on Counterstrike you have no video game morals. But if you "steal" hundreds of hours from someone's life, that's a bit different. I don't care about you OR your hundreds of hours spent grinding in a video game to get your video game hands on some premium video game pixels. I hope you lose everything (ingame). This tbh. The time you spend on the game is already wasted. CCP could turn off the servers at any moment, and all that ISK you have spend months earning is gone. As far as I can tell the OP simply scammed someone using a standard contract scam, then decided to withdraw his offer of a character sale. The rules state that all character sales must be done through CCP, so any ISK given in-game should have been entirely for the items rather than for the character. If you are claiming you accepted that contract as payment for the character then you broke the rules so you should at least be warned by CCP.
Jumbalaiya	Posted - 2009.05.07 22:09:00 - [168] grabs popcorn and a soda
Kaptain Klo	Posted - 2009.05.07 22:57:00 - [169] Originally by: Imertu Solientai Originally by: Michael Corinthos Originally by: Megan Aven Originally by: Michael Corinthos OMG HAVE YOU NO VIDEO GAME MORALS?? YOU ALL NEED TO FIND VIDEO GAME JESUS AND GO TO VIDEO GAME CHURCH!!! Are you using video game time to play video games? No, you are using real life time. So if you scam someone for 17.5B in a character scam - think about how much time did he/she had to spend acquiring that. If you kill a team mate on Counterstrike you have no video game morals. But if you "steal" hundreds of hours from someone's life, that's a bit different. I don't care about you OR your hundreds of hours spent grinding in a video game to get your video game hands on some premium video game pixels. I hope you lose everything (ingame). This tbh. The time you spend on the game is already wasted. CCP could turn off the servers at any moment, and all that ISK you have spend months earning is gone. As far as I can tell the OP simply scammed someone using a standard contract scam, then decided to withdraw his offer of a character sale. The rules state that all character sales must be done through CCP, so any ISK given in-game should have been entirely for the items rather than for the character. If you are claiming you accepted that contract as payment for the character then you broke the rules so you should at least be warned by CCP. Lol, Imertu, have you ever done a character transfer? Clearly not. It's ok though, just gives amusement value watching people try to make educated comments when all they display is ignorance. To goggle - Don't have a copy of the sent evemail (Is there even a way to find a record of 'sent' messages?). That said, it was something to the tune of: "Would you accept a 17b b/o for your character? Get in touch to discuss."
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.05.07 23:43:00 - [170] Originally by: Imertu Solientai CCP could turn off the servers at any moment, and all that ISK you have spend months earning is gone. They better not dammit. I just learned how to warp cloaked. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
Capella Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.05.08 18:02:00 - [171] Any updates on this situation?
ArmyOfMe The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.05.08 22:50:00 - [172] considering Everybruce hasnt posted in quite a while i guess that tells us how it went.
Lady Cynosural	Posted - 2009.05.08 22:57:00 - [173] Originally by: ArmyOfMe considering Everybruce hasnt posted in quite a while i guess that tells us how it went. incorrect - i'm everybruce, and i'm banned until next thursday on an entirely unrelated matter. User **** is banned Last login: 2009.05.06 21:00 Number of visits: 1023 Reason: EULA Violation - Offensive language. Until: 2009.05.13
Weight What	Posted - 2009.05.08 23:49:00 - [174] Originally by: Lady Cynosural Originally by: ArmyOfMe considering Everybruce hasnt posted in quite a while i guess that tells us how it went. incorrect - i'm everybruce, and i'm banned until next thursday on an entirely unrelated matter. User ** is banned Last login: 2009.05.06 21:00 Number of visits: 1023 Reason: EULA Violation - Offensive language. Until: 2009.05.13 Originally by:** Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball Children rejoice. Festival day approaches. Stern commandments issue forth from mandarins. ----------------------------------------------- Annonymous, trading as "Weight What".
Tyllie Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.09 04:08:00 - [175] Edited by: Tyllie on 09/05/2009 04:11:39 Like it was suggested umpteen years ago. Eve needs a prison. A system in the Jove region. No gates, just a star some planets and some moons (it'll give the dumbasses something to do.) And instead of banning dumbass (like the OP) players they should through every char in that players account into the system. If for no other reason than to let the dumbasses talk to to each other. and also name the system EVE Darwin Award Winners. That should fetch a bit of conversation. Umm, and add these winners to the Billboards that would be sweet.
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.05.09 16:10:00 - [176] Originally by: Tyllie Edited by: Tyllie on 09/05/2009 06:00:03 Edited by: Tyllie on 09/05/2009 04:11:39 Like it was suggested umpteen years ago. Eve needs a prison. A system in the Jove region. No gates, just a star some planets and some moons (it'll give the dumbasses something to do.) And instead of banning dumbass (like the OP) players they should throw every char in that players account into the system. This is an awesome idea. Like the Australia of EVE. A single 0.0 system with not gates. Just one station with all their clones moved there.
Future Mutant	Posted - 2009.05.09 22:17:00 - [177] Originally by: Lady Cynosural Originally by: ArmyOfMe considering Everybruce hasnt posted in quite a while i guess that tells us how it went. incorrect - i'm everybruce, and i'm banned until next thursday on an entirely unrelated matter. User **** is banned Last login: 2009.05.06 21:00 Number of visits: 1023 Reason: EULA Violation - Offensive language. Until: 2009.05.13 Just wanted to point out that neither everybruce or the lady have a contract matching one they claim was accepted
Lady Cynosural	Posted - 2009.05.09 22:49:00 - [178] Originally by: Future Mutant Originally by: Lady Cynosural Originally by: ArmyOfMe considering Everybruce hasnt posted in quite a while i guess that tells us how it went. incorrect - i'm everybruce, and i'm banned until next thursday on an entirely unrelated matter. User **** is banned Last login: 2009.05.06 21:00 Number of visits: 1023 Reason: EULA Violation - Offensive language. Until: 2009.05.13 Just wanted to point out that neither everybruce or the lady have a contract matching one they claim was accepted Just wanted to point out that you never took into account that private contracts can't be publically viewed, finished or not. Also wanted to point out neither was the character that I sold the sleipnir to him with.
Amond Starsmoke	Posted - 2009.05.10 00:04:00 - [179] IMO, CCP must be concerned about the impact to the greater eve community than to the parties affected. Most of the people who condone these actions are in fact greaseball scammers that would LOVE a new way to get their hands on 17Bil based on 'trust' that someone places in the character transfer system. Normal scams are OBVIOUS when you pay any amount of attention to whats going on. If you read a contract as 900k when its actually 900m, thats you being a mentally slow person, or in a mentally slow state of mind. OOPS. Everybruce crafted the scam knowing that it would only happen because his victim would place faith in the character transfer system. CCP indirectly protects this faith, because without it character transfers cannot occur unlike pretty much any other transaction in the game. If CCP does not reverse this action, scammers will pay extra-special attention to abusing the character transfer system, and reduce the overall volume of character transfers in general. This hurts CCP's bottom line, and cheapens one of the unique aspects of EVE. It doesn't matter that it may be a gray area and that Everybruce has something of an argument, this isn't a court of law. Its an internet spaceship game for profit by the game's owner. The fact that people are deluded into thinking there is a civil court of law with a balance of probabilities is testament to how well CCP has designed this game. Nonetheless, actions like this do more harm than good to one of the few systems in EVE that does both of 1) requiring trust in-game and 2) contributes to CCP revenue. If it only did 1) without 2), it would be an acceptible activity. Directors, in-game third parties and banks violate people's trust pretty regularly. That's the cold part of New Eden. But thats trust you put in the scammer, not trust placed in a system publicly stated to be protected by CCP. The more I think about it, the more I think that that is truly the key here. It wasnt an abuse of trust in the scammer himself, but an abuse of trust in CCP. CCP needs to defend our faith in them, if they want to continue to have a faith-based character transfer system. tl;dr: Zero tolerance on scams where character transfers are involved is essential given current game mechanics. Period/Full Stop.
Inoshuu Caldari Flux Production Studio	Posted - 2009.05.10 03:53:00 - [180] So...is he banned yet or what?

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