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Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 06:40:00 -
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Hi all
I recently bought a ATI HD7970 for it's large amount of display ports (4) + 2 DVI and obviously it's (promised) performance.
With EVE though I now get System freezes when I have two or three Clients opened. Usually this is triggered by opening the map a few times (i guess there's some gpu intense operation happening). The system will then freeze completely! Sound loops, Display freezes and I have to hard-reset (reset does not work, only power putton 4secs).
Drivers are the latest, tried with .4 (latest) and .3
Just wondering if I should send the Card back for RMA or if it's really just ATI & EVE ... No Crashes with FurMark stressing the Card or any other Games.
Thanks a lot in advance!
Cheers, - B
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deTocni
Metal Smashers Inver Brass
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Posted - 2012.05.16 12:33:00 -
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I've been having the same sort of problem running 2 clients with ATI 6950. I am running all the current drivers ect.
This problem started about a patch or 2 ago, before that no problems at all. |
COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2012.05.16 13:22:00 -
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Sure the crashing is not related to memory or hardware? Complete freezes tells me its probably RAM issue. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 15:22:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:Sure the crashing is not related to memory or hardware? Complete freezes tells me its probably RAM issue. Yes, 100% certain. Used nvidia cards before and it was 200% stable... IF they would crash due to beta flash plugins they would not freeze the whole system! All it would do was simply flash screens and tell me that my display drivers crashed but recovered successfully... Too bad ATI still does not have such a feature... this is so fail, there are no words tbh.
I guess I should've stood away from ATI as I have in the past....
@deTocni : any workaround?
Did you revert to the old drivers?
Cheers, - B |
COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:18:00 -
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Baitrix wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:Sure the crashing is not related to memory or hardware? Complete freezes tells me its probably RAM issue. Yes, 100% certain. Used nvidia cards before and it was 200% stable... IF they would crash due to beta flash plugins they would not freeze the whole system! All it would do was simply flash screens and tell me that my display drivers crashed but recovered successfully... Too bad ATI still does not have such a feature... this is so fail, there are no words tbh. I guess I should've stood away from ATI as I have in the past.... @deTocni : any workaround? Did you revert to the old drivers? Cheers, - B
They have, never had a system freeze on Windows caused by drivers, crashes i had when I was using Crossfire then it would reset the driver as you speak, that feature has been in since ages.
Do run a memtest86+ just to be sure, thats atleast my advice. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:33:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:[quote=Baitrix]
They have, never had a system freeze on Windows caused by drivers, crashes i had when I was using Crossfire then it would reset the driver as you speak, that feature has been in since ages.
Do run a memtest86+ just to be sure, thats atleast my advice.
Well, I'm not the only one apparently and given that the response was rather quick I got my money on there being a lot more people having their entire systems freeze...
Ran a full memtest btw today, all fine...
As said, it worked on the same hardware perfectly with nvidia.
Do you happen to know of any tool that does memtest on the Graphics card RAM? since that could be the last non-eve related thing that might be the culprit... The card has 3Gigs of ram so in theory it could explain the freezes when having three EVE Clients opened.
Cheers, - B |
COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2012.05.16 18:06:00 -
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Baitrix wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:[quote=Baitrix]
They have, never had a system freeze on Windows caused by drivers, crashes i had when I was using Crossfire then it would reset the driver as you speak, that feature has been in since ages.
Do run a memtest86+ just to be sure, thats atleast my advice. Well, I'm not the only one apparently and given that the response was rather quick I got my money on there being a lot more people having their entire systems freeze... Ran a full memtest btw today, all fine... As said, it worked on the same hardware perfectly with nvidia. Do you happen to know of any tool that does memtest on the Graphics card RAM? since that could be the last non-eve related thing that might be the culprit... The card has 3Gigs of ram so in theory it could explain the freezes when having three EVE Clients opened. Cheers, - B
Hm i know that there was atleast one application that tested or stressed the vram on a GPU.
Could try http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/vmt_en But not sure how good it is. OCCT had some gpu features but dunno if it tested vram.
Also im running 2 clients without any issues on my 2gb 6970 card. Also check the vram usage when playing with gpuz and see if its not out of memory, seems like EVE may have a memory leak. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
deTocni
Metal Smashers Inver Brass
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Posted - 2012.05.17 05:38:00 -
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Baitrix wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:Sure the crashing is not related to memory or hardware? Complete freezes tells me its probably RAM issue. Yes, 100% certain. Used nvidia cards before and it was 200% stable... IF they would crash due to beta flash plugins they would not freeze the whole system! All it would do was simply flash screens and tell me that my display drivers crashed but recovered successfully... Too bad ATI still does not have such a feature... this is so fail, there are no words tbh. I guess I should've stood away from ATI as I have in the past.... @deTocni : any workaround? Did you revert to the old drivers? Cheers, - B No work around afaik, the problem i have been having is similar to yours but i do not need to do a system restart, also when my system freezes it tends to be around POS shields and lasts anything from a few seconds to 1 minute before it comes good again. |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.19 08:13:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:Hm i know that there was atleast one application that tested or stressed the vram on a GPU. Could try http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/vmt_en But not sure how good it is. OCCT had some gpu features but dunno if it tested vram. Also im running 2 clients without any issues on my 2gb 6970 card. Also check the vram usage when playing with gpuz and see if its not out of memory, seems like EVE may have a memory leak.
Ran full Test, checking the entire RAM with that tool... monitored status of the card with GPU-Z.. nothing... Only EVE manages to make the entire System freeze...
If the graphics card wasn't the only thing I changed, I would hardly suspect it... The load on it when(or just before) freezing the system is low (monitored with GPU-Z again). Memory usage also is only at around 400MB !!!
I'm a little lost... guessing it's just some weird GPU error, so I sent the Card back for RMA, hoping they will actually give me a different one and not just send the same one back ;-)
Would be great to know if anyone actually can use this card with EVE and 3 clients at all.... Could be that the card is "too new", for ATI at least, given that it's "only" a few months old... -,- |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.29 09:11:00 -
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Bad news, the shop says all of his tests would run through successfully on the card... so they just gonna send it back...
conclusions: 1. Never buy ATI, ever 2. Don't use that shop anymore... not really customer friendly as I kindly asked him to give me a ****** nvidia card instead... to no avail...
CCP: _PLEASE_ fix this (even if it's ATIs fault, they suck @ programming)!!! |
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.05.31 04:21:00 -
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Client runs fine dual boxing, 2 ATi GPU's in crossfire.
I am getting some odd glitches with the actual Game client, were not the only ones and iv never seen so many complaints before. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.05.31 04:26:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:Baitrix wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:[quote=Baitrix]
They have, never had a system freeze on Windows caused by drivers, crashes i had when I was using Crossfire then it would reset the driver as you speak, that feature has been in since ages.
Do run a memtest86+ just to be sure, thats atleast my advice. Well, I'm not the only one apparently and given that the response was rather quick I got my money on there being a lot more people having their entire systems freeze... Ran a full memtest btw today, all fine... As said, it worked on the same hardware perfectly with nvidia. Do you happen to know of any tool that does memtest on the Graphics card RAM? since that could be the last non-eve related thing that might be the culprit... The card has 3Gigs of ram so in theory it could explain the freezes when having three EVE Clients opened. Cheers, - B Hm i know that there was atleast one application that tested or stressed the vram on a GPU. Could try http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/vmt_en But not sure how good it is. OCCT had some gpu features but dunno if it tested vram. Also im running 2 clients without any issues on my 2gb 6970 card. Also check the vram usage when playing with gpuz and see if its not out of memory, seems like EVE may have a memory leak.
You may be onto CCP with the memory leak, it would explain everything every ones experiencing quite perfectly.
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Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.05 19:08:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Hm i know that there was atleast one application that tested or stressed the vram on a GPU. Could try http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/vmt_en But not sure how good it is. OCCT had some gpu features but dunno if it tested vram. Also im running 2 clients without any issues on my 2gb 6970 card. Also check the vram usage when playing with gpuz and see if its not out of memory, seems like EVE may have a memory leak.
You may be onto CCP with the memory leak, it would explain everything every ones experiencing quite perfectly.
[/quote] ATI seems to have shipped crap they won't take back... google for "hd7970 system crash" you'll find tons of threads by now... affects WoW and a lot of other games as well it seems... |
Xashra
Trinity Engineering and Research
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:11:00 -
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I also have a 7970 and have had several issues. This is not a RAM issue or any other type of system issue other than the video card drivers. There are two types of errors that occur with the card one being a display port failure when using multiple monitors and the other being a complete system freeze. I have spent a ton of time documenting the problem and relaying what I have seen to ATI. I have even been able to replicate the problem on a 5770 using 12.5 beta drivers. Unfortunately you are just going to have to wait until ATI comes out with a better fix. The only advice I can give you is remove all AMD files and drivers and reinstall the latest 12.4 drivers and then install the latest CAP (12.6 Beta CAP 1) download. The latest drivers + CAP tests I have run haven't seen a system freeze yet but I did have one display port failure. Still it is more stable than anything I have seen released yet.
This is no different than when I purchased a 5770 right when it came out. It took several months for some of the bugs to get weeded out. People can say what they want about ATI but I have two other systems with Nvidia cards and they have had their issues as well. If you buy a bleeding edge product you have to expect some issues until drivers are perfected. I will still put my single 7970 against any other single card out there. |
Jumols
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.16 14:18:00 -
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I'm also getting this. Same card: ATI Radeon HD 7970. Eve crashes sporadically. It seems to almost always occur when the star map is launched. The system completely freezes (graphics, keyboard, mouse) and I have to hard reset. I had a ratty laptop before I recently upgraded my computer and I never experienced the freeze ups with the laptop. |
Core 2Duo
Elite Death Force OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.19 01:32:00 -
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Jumols wrote:I'm also getting this. Same card: ATI Radeon HD 7970. Eve crashes sporadically. It seems to almost always occur when the star map is launched. The system completely freezes (graphics, keyboard, mouse) and I have to hard reset. I had a ratty laptop before I recently upgraded my computer and I never experienced the freeze ups with the laptop.
I had the same issue with the HD 7870
Replaced the card with a GTX 670 and it hasn't frozen once... |
Billy Kidd
Two Holes One Tower
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Posted - 2012.06.25 00:50:00 -
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Does this seem to happen if you have a flash application (ie a game or a video) running in a browser in the background? If so, then right click on the flash app and disable hardware acceleration under the graphics tab. This should resolve the problem. |
Jumols
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:15:00 -
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Billy Kidd wrote:Does this seem to happen if you have a flash application (ie a game or a video) running in a browser in the background? If so, then right click on the flash app and disable hardware acceleration under the graphics tab. This should resolve the problem.
I did disable it but it still occurred, especially when launching the in-game map. I downloaded and started using a 3rd party map and the game ran fine for quite a while (longer than usual), but just last night it froze up again (without me opening the map) while I was running two clients. Has anyone else fixed this yet? I'm emailing AMD about the problem and linking this thread. I might try the beta drivers that have been released too, despite the big scary waiver of warranty language. |
Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.04 07:16:00 -
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Its the ATI cards i just got this new badass pc and it locks up only when im playing eve and it locks up the hole pc. CCP needs to fix this cuz i mainly got this pc to play eve and now it doesnt even work half the time and it has gotten me killed and poded before. So plz fix this i know u guys are all over Nvidia but plz make sure ATI cards work with your wounderful game cuz at this point i cant risk playing half the time cuz the pc lock ups are going to get me and my ships killed for no good reason. |
Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.04 15:12:00 -
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This has been happening for me for at least the last 5 days, I ran absolutely NO programs in the background. and it still crashed my entire system. I'm glad i'm not the only one having this issue, I was worried i would have to buy a new card :(
These crashs have been during combat, Opening the map While scanning.
There is no consistency, and i cannot trigger a crash. Hopefully CCP fixes this soon.
Here are my specs, For whatever reason they may help.
Specs: Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Motherboard: Gigabyte X79-UD3 Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3820 CPU @ 3.60GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.8GHz Card name: AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series Ram: 8gb Kingston HyperX Audio: (Realtek High Definition Audio)
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Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:31:00 -
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Still waiting for CCP to get to this. |
TKR11142
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:42:00 -
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Similar problem here..
System completely freezes during combat, intermittently but often enough to annoy me.
I dont even get a BSOD.
No other time does my comp freeze lite this!
Specs: ATI HD 7970(no oc), I7 930 (no oc), 12 GB 1600 @ 1033.. Win 7 - 64 bit
The last 5 years i-¦ve been using AMD/ATI for gpu. But now actually i-¦m gettig tired of this.
As you se above everything is at default, no OC, tried diff. catalyst drivers 12.3 - 12.7 beta
Tried clean install of windows, same prob.
Having played the game alot, long time ago but still, but never with these crashes, and trust me when i say that no other crashes occur exept with eve.
Playig alot online, TF", BF3 and never these problems.. of course "normal" graphic intese games like Skyrim, X3 also without any complete freezes. Unless some of my many mods to skyrim does a CTD but thas different.
And pls dont Memtest me or prime, been there done that..
I just think that AMD cheaper prices affets their drivers, customer realtions and support... Becuase im not alone with this prob.. =/
Eversince theis so called Eyfinity, which i also tride and never worked well, there has been strange issues with new tech from AMD..
I wouldnt say this just becuse i have a small prob. it-¦s just that i-¦ve noticed a change during these years on different forums and it doesnt feel good!
Im trying not to complain but has anyone a workaround or du i need to swtich to a nvidia card?
Pls be constructive in your answere, theres already enough fanboys wanting to protect their "investment".. |
Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.06 12:52:00 -
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TKR11142 wrote:The last 5 years i-¦ve been using AMD/ATI for gpu. But now actually i-¦m gettig tired of this. Im trying not to complain but has anyone a workaround or du i need to swtich to a nvidia card?
Yeah i wont be buying AMI again. I'm even considering just swapping out my card now for nvidia, I have had too many damn issues with ATI.
I doubt you will need to switch card, This is a pretty ******* huge problem, What ever is causing it isn't on your end, CCP has to fix this, as a lot more players than us are unable to play.
PS: Im using a HD7950 |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:59:00 -
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had exactly the same problem with my new radeon 7970, after several discussions with my shop I gave it back and took a nVidia GTX 670 card, no problems anymore. Originally I decided for AMD because of tripple head ability, which wasnt supported by nVidia before. In the mean time while I was busy fixing AMD issues, nVidia chips became available which can handle up to 4 displays, which was all I needed.
If comp is freezing, its a good sign your hardware is broken. In any case Im not gonna buy AMD based hardware for the next 5 years again. |
ra773
True Argons Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:12:00 -
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same prob here.
Mac Pro with Ati 5770 runs flawless in Bootcamp windows 7. Now i changed to XFX 7950 Black Edition and get random complete System freezing. Only Hardreset works. No Prob with other games just EVE. Now i'm running my client on Ati5770 again and no freezings. So what's the problem with this Highend ATI Trash and EVE ? |
Rodney Spears
Black Adder Dynamic Broken Toys
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:08:00 -
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ra773 wrote:same prob here.
Mac Pro with Ati 5770 runs flawless in Bootcamp windows 7. Now i changed to XFX 7950 Black Edition and get random complete System freezing. Only Hardreset works. No Prob with other games just EVE. Now i'm running my client on Ati5770 again and no freezings. So what's the problem with this Highend ATI Trash and EVE ?
Exactly my problem, except I have a PC. I just upgraded from a 5770 to a 7770. These new AMD's aren't working. I know i hear people saying its a AMD problem, but I assure you it's a CCP problem. My new card works awesome with all my games, except Eve. |
Andromeda Cesaille
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:45:00 -
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Iv'e got the same issue, random freezing, especially when i open the map etc, single client and monitor though. Asus 7970 DCII. Iv'e filed a petition and bug report, everybody who encounters the freezing should do the same, AMD and CCP needs to do something about this, and fast. As it is now it's unplayable, which isn't much fun considering i'm paying a monthly sub. PLEASE do something. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:54:00 -
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its your fault buying ATI cards, noone else.
And why the f*ck do you post the same posting in 4 different threads *sshole? This isnt going to help with your problem. |
Andromeda Cesaille
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.12 04:09:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:its your fault buying ATI cards, noone else.
And why the f*ck do you post the same posting in 4 different threads *sshole? This isnt going to help with your problem.
It's my fault for buying a high tier GPU from one of the TWO only real options? Nvidia and AMD, thats it, there are no other choices. Also AMD and Nvidia has always had about the same amount of **** happening, GPU drivers in general are horrible, it has always been like that, it's not the hardware. Secondly, the card is 100% stable and works fine in a multitude of other games, something in AMD:s drivers somehow conflicts with something in eve:s coding (and potentially a few other games, but if it's the same exact issue, it's hard to say, look up that huge shogun 2 thread about 7xxx series freezing or just 7xxx freezing in general).
This is most likely AMD:s "fault", yes, and by making CCP aware of all the people having issues, they will hopefully contact AMD themselves, since that brings ALOT more weight to it, than just a couple of people here and there having issues.
What's the problem with posting my experience of the issues in a few threads? They were all about very similar/same issues, 100% relevant. The fact that there are so many threads about this on the first few pages only, is something people should be made aware of, we need a sticky for this. CCP are aware of the freezing issues, but there's is not a single answer from them in any of these threads, that just doesn't seem right.
Bringing up the sub feels rather dirty, i can say, but after an ridicilous amount of hardresets (sure is healthy for the comp) i just get so frustrated, i can log in and change skills, that's about it. Want to do missions? *Freeze* - Flying around in a pod when you come back. Want to do some lowsec exploration? Oh yeah sorry the map doesn't work. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:07:00 -
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Andromeda Cesaille wrote: It's my fault for buying a high tier GPU from one of the TWO only real options? Nvidia and AMD, thats it, there are no other choices. Also AMD and Nvidia has always had about the same amount of **** happening, GPU drivers in general are horrible, it has always been like that, it's not the hardware. Secondly, the card is 100% stable and works fine in a multitude of other games, something in AMD:s drivers somehow conflicts with something in eve:s coding (and potentially a few other games, but if it's the same exact issue, it's hard to say, look up that huge shogun 2 thread about 7xxx series freezing or just 7xxx freezing in general).
Yes, its your fault buying ATI. As for everyone else who does purchase broken things. You know they tend to freeze over years and multiple series of products, thus if you still decide to use that kind of hardware, dont complain if it goes wrong again.
I did this mistake too, but accepted it was wrong, got rid of ATI and put an nVidia card into my PC.
If hardware freezes/crashes the PC its always hardware/driver fault. That easy. Software does not interact with the hardware directly for decades anymore its always the drivers and OS. No user software should be able to put hardware into a corrupt state like freeze, if the drivers/hardware allow this, its a flaw on their end.
Andromeda Cesaille wrote: What's the problem with posting my experience of the issues in a few threads?
because C&P the same cr*ap in multiple threads is called "crossposting" and is considered as spam. |
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