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Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 06:40:00 -
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Hi all
I recently bought a ATI HD7970 for it's large amount of display ports (4) + 2 DVI and obviously it's (promised) performance.
With EVE though I now get System freezes when I have two or three Clients opened. Usually this is triggered by opening the map a few times (i guess there's some gpu intense operation happening). The system will then freeze completely! Sound loops, Display freezes and I have to hard-reset (reset does not work, only power putton 4secs).
Drivers are the latest, tried with .4 (latest) and .3
Just wondering if I should send the Card back for RMA or if it's really just ATI & EVE ... No Crashes with FurMark stressing the Card or any other Games.
Thanks a lot in advance!
Cheers, - B
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deTocni
Metal Smashers Inver Brass
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Posted - 2012.05.16 12:33:00 -
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I've been having the same sort of problem running 2 clients with ATI 6950. I am running all the current drivers ect.
This problem started about a patch or 2 ago, before that no problems at all. |
COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
85
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Posted - 2012.05.16 13:22:00 -
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Sure the crashing is not related to memory or hardware? Complete freezes tells me its probably RAM issue. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 15:22:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:Sure the crashing is not related to memory or hardware? Complete freezes tells me its probably RAM issue. Yes, 100% certain. Used nvidia cards before and it was 200% stable... IF they would crash due to beta flash plugins they would not freeze the whole system! All it would do was simply flash screens and tell me that my display drivers crashed but recovered successfully... Too bad ATI still does not have such a feature... this is so fail, there are no words tbh.
I guess I should've stood away from ATI as I have in the past....
@deTocni : any workaround?
Did you revert to the old drivers?
Cheers, - B |
COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
85
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:18:00 -
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Baitrix wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:Sure the crashing is not related to memory or hardware? Complete freezes tells me its probably RAM issue. Yes, 100% certain. Used nvidia cards before and it was 200% stable... IF they would crash due to beta flash plugins they would not freeze the whole system! All it would do was simply flash screens and tell me that my display drivers crashed but recovered successfully... Too bad ATI still does not have such a feature... this is so fail, there are no words tbh. I guess I should've stood away from ATI as I have in the past.... @deTocni : any workaround? Did you revert to the old drivers? Cheers, - B
They have, never had a system freeze on Windows caused by drivers, crashes i had when I was using Crossfire then it would reset the driver as you speak, that feature has been in since ages.
Do run a memtest86+ just to be sure, thats atleast my advice. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:33:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:[quote=Baitrix]
They have, never had a system freeze on Windows caused by drivers, crashes i had when I was using Crossfire then it would reset the driver as you speak, that feature has been in since ages.
Do run a memtest86+ just to be sure, thats atleast my advice.
Well, I'm not the only one apparently and given that the response was rather quick I got my money on there being a lot more people having their entire systems freeze...
Ran a full memtest btw today, all fine...
As said, it worked on the same hardware perfectly with nvidia.
Do you happen to know of any tool that does memtest on the Graphics card RAM? since that could be the last non-eve related thing that might be the culprit... The card has 3Gigs of ram so in theory it could explain the freezes when having three EVE Clients opened.
Cheers, - B |
COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2012.05.16 18:06:00 -
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Baitrix wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:[quote=Baitrix]
They have, never had a system freeze on Windows caused by drivers, crashes i had when I was using Crossfire then it would reset the driver as you speak, that feature has been in since ages.
Do run a memtest86+ just to be sure, thats atleast my advice. Well, I'm not the only one apparently and given that the response was rather quick I got my money on there being a lot more people having their entire systems freeze... Ran a full memtest btw today, all fine... As said, it worked on the same hardware perfectly with nvidia. Do you happen to know of any tool that does memtest on the Graphics card RAM? since that could be the last non-eve related thing that might be the culprit... The card has 3Gigs of ram so in theory it could explain the freezes when having three EVE Clients opened. Cheers, - B
Hm i know that there was atleast one application that tested or stressed the vram on a GPU.
Could try http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/vmt_en But not sure how good it is. OCCT had some gpu features but dunno if it tested vram.
Also im running 2 clients without any issues on my 2gb 6970 card. Also check the vram usage when playing with gpuz and see if its not out of memory, seems like EVE may have a memory leak. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |
deTocni
Metal Smashers Inver Brass
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Posted - 2012.05.17 05:38:00 -
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Baitrix wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:Sure the crashing is not related to memory or hardware? Complete freezes tells me its probably RAM issue. Yes, 100% certain. Used nvidia cards before and it was 200% stable... IF they would crash due to beta flash plugins they would not freeze the whole system! All it would do was simply flash screens and tell me that my display drivers crashed but recovered successfully... Too bad ATI still does not have such a feature... this is so fail, there are no words tbh. I guess I should've stood away from ATI as I have in the past.... @deTocni : any workaround? Did you revert to the old drivers? Cheers, - B No work around afaik, the problem i have been having is similar to yours but i do not need to do a system restart, also when my system freezes it tends to be around POS shields and lasts anything from a few seconds to 1 minute before it comes good again. |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.19 08:13:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:Hm i know that there was atleast one application that tested or stressed the vram on a GPU. Could try http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/vmt_en But not sure how good it is. OCCT had some gpu features but dunno if it tested vram. Also im running 2 clients without any issues on my 2gb 6970 card. Also check the vram usage when playing with gpuz and see if its not out of memory, seems like EVE may have a memory leak.
Ran full Test, checking the entire RAM with that tool... monitored status of the card with GPU-Z.. nothing... Only EVE manages to make the entire System freeze...
If the graphics card wasn't the only thing I changed, I would hardly suspect it... The load on it when(or just before) freezing the system is low (monitored with GPU-Z again). Memory usage also is only at around 400MB !!!
I'm a little lost... guessing it's just some weird GPU error, so I sent the Card back for RMA, hoping they will actually give me a different one and not just send the same one back ;-)
Would be great to know if anyone actually can use this card with EVE and 3 clients at all.... Could be that the card is "too new", for ATI at least, given that it's "only" a few months old... -,- |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.29 09:11:00 -
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Bad news, the shop says all of his tests would run through successfully on the card... so they just gonna send it back...
conclusions: 1. Never buy ATI, ever 2. Don't use that shop anymore... not really customer friendly as I kindly asked him to give me a ****** nvidia card instead... to no avail...
CCP: _PLEASE_ fix this (even if it's ATIs fault, they suck @ programming)!!! |
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.05.31 04:21:00 -
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Client runs fine dual boxing, 2 ATi GPU's in crossfire.
I am getting some odd glitches with the actual Game client, were not the only ones and iv never seen so many complaints before. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.05.31 04:26:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:Baitrix wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:[quote=Baitrix]
They have, never had a system freeze on Windows caused by drivers, crashes i had when I was using Crossfire then it would reset the driver as you speak, that feature has been in since ages.
Do run a memtest86+ just to be sure, thats atleast my advice. Well, I'm not the only one apparently and given that the response was rather quick I got my money on there being a lot more people having their entire systems freeze... Ran a full memtest btw today, all fine... As said, it worked on the same hardware perfectly with nvidia. Do you happen to know of any tool that does memtest on the Graphics card RAM? since that could be the last non-eve related thing that might be the culprit... The card has 3Gigs of ram so in theory it could explain the freezes when having three EVE Clients opened. Cheers, - B Hm i know that there was atleast one application that tested or stressed the vram on a GPU. Could try http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/vmt_en But not sure how good it is. OCCT had some gpu features but dunno if it tested vram. Also im running 2 clients without any issues on my 2gb 6970 card. Also check the vram usage when playing with gpuz and see if its not out of memory, seems like EVE may have a memory leak.
You may be onto CCP with the memory leak, it would explain everything every ones experiencing quite perfectly.
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Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.05 19:08:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Hm i know that there was atleast one application that tested or stressed the vram on a GPU. Could try http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/vmt_en But not sure how good it is. OCCT had some gpu features but dunno if it tested vram. Also im running 2 clients without any issues on my 2gb 6970 card. Also check the vram usage when playing with gpuz and see if its not out of memory, seems like EVE may have a memory leak.
You may be onto CCP with the memory leak, it would explain everything every ones experiencing quite perfectly.
[/quote] ATI seems to have shipped crap they won't take back... google for "hd7970 system crash" you'll find tons of threads by now... affects WoW and a lot of other games as well it seems... |
Xashra
Trinity Engineering and Research
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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:11:00 -
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I also have a 7970 and have had several issues. This is not a RAM issue or any other type of system issue other than the video card drivers. There are two types of errors that occur with the card one being a display port failure when using multiple monitors and the other being a complete system freeze. I have spent a ton of time documenting the problem and relaying what I have seen to ATI. I have even been able to replicate the problem on a 5770 using 12.5 beta drivers. Unfortunately you are just going to have to wait until ATI comes out with a better fix. The only advice I can give you is remove all AMD files and drivers and reinstall the latest 12.4 drivers and then install the latest CAP (12.6 Beta CAP 1) download. The latest drivers + CAP tests I have run haven't seen a system freeze yet but I did have one display port failure. Still it is more stable than anything I have seen released yet.
This is no different than when I purchased a 5770 right when it came out. It took several months for some of the bugs to get weeded out. People can say what they want about ATI but I have two other systems with Nvidia cards and they have had their issues as well. If you buy a bleeding edge product you have to expect some issues until drivers are perfected. I will still put my single 7970 against any other single card out there. |
Jumols
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.16 14:18:00 -
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I'm also getting this. Same card: ATI Radeon HD 7970. Eve crashes sporadically. It seems to almost always occur when the star map is launched. The system completely freezes (graphics, keyboard, mouse) and I have to hard reset. I had a ratty laptop before I recently upgraded my computer and I never experienced the freeze ups with the laptop. |
Core 2Duo
Elite Death Force OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.19 01:32:00 -
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Jumols wrote:I'm also getting this. Same card: ATI Radeon HD 7970. Eve crashes sporadically. It seems to almost always occur when the star map is launched. The system completely freezes (graphics, keyboard, mouse) and I have to hard reset. I had a ratty laptop before I recently upgraded my computer and I never experienced the freeze ups with the laptop.
I had the same issue with the HD 7870
Replaced the card with a GTX 670 and it hasn't frozen once... |
Billy Kidd
Two Holes One Tower
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Posted - 2012.06.25 00:50:00 -
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Does this seem to happen if you have a flash application (ie a game or a video) running in a browser in the background? If so, then right click on the flash app and disable hardware acceleration under the graphics tab. This should resolve the problem. |
Jumols
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.26 05:15:00 -
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Billy Kidd wrote:Does this seem to happen if you have a flash application (ie a game or a video) running in a browser in the background? If so, then right click on the flash app and disable hardware acceleration under the graphics tab. This should resolve the problem.
I did disable it but it still occurred, especially when launching the in-game map. I downloaded and started using a 3rd party map and the game ran fine for quite a while (longer than usual), but just last night it froze up again (without me opening the map) while I was running two clients. Has anyone else fixed this yet? I'm emailing AMD about the problem and linking this thread. I might try the beta drivers that have been released too, despite the big scary waiver of warranty language. |
Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.04 07:16:00 -
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Its the ATI cards i just got this new badass pc and it locks up only when im playing eve and it locks up the hole pc. CCP needs to fix this cuz i mainly got this pc to play eve and now it doesnt even work half the time and it has gotten me killed and poded before. So plz fix this i know u guys are all over Nvidia but plz make sure ATI cards work with your wounderful game cuz at this point i cant risk playing half the time cuz the pc lock ups are going to get me and my ships killed for no good reason. |
Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.04 15:12:00 -
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This has been happening for me for at least the last 5 days, I ran absolutely NO programs in the background. and it still crashed my entire system. I'm glad i'm not the only one having this issue, I was worried i would have to buy a new card :(
These crashs have been during combat, Opening the map While scanning.
There is no consistency, and i cannot trigger a crash. Hopefully CCP fixes this soon.
Here are my specs, For whatever reason they may help.
Specs: Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Motherboard: Gigabyte X79-UD3 Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3820 CPU @ 3.60GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.8GHz Card name: AMD Radeon HD 7900 Series Ram: 8gb Kingston HyperX Audio: (Realtek High Definition Audio)
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Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:31:00 -
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Still waiting for CCP to get to this. |
TKR11142
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 09:42:00 -
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Similar problem here..
System completely freezes during combat, intermittently but often enough to annoy me.
I dont even get a BSOD.
No other time does my comp freeze lite this!
Specs: ATI HD 7970(no oc), I7 930 (no oc), 12 GB 1600 @ 1033.. Win 7 - 64 bit
The last 5 years i-¦ve been using AMD/ATI for gpu. But now actually i-¦m gettig tired of this.
As you se above everything is at default, no OC, tried diff. catalyst drivers 12.3 - 12.7 beta
Tried clean install of windows, same prob.
Having played the game alot, long time ago but still, but never with these crashes, and trust me when i say that no other crashes occur exept with eve.
Playig alot online, TF", BF3 and never these problems.. of course "normal" graphic intese games like Skyrim, X3 also without any complete freezes. Unless some of my many mods to skyrim does a CTD but thas different.
And pls dont Memtest me or prime, been there done that..
I just think that AMD cheaper prices affets their drivers, customer realtions and support... Becuase im not alone with this prob.. =/
Eversince theis so called Eyfinity, which i also tride and never worked well, there has been strange issues with new tech from AMD..
I wouldnt say this just becuse i have a small prob. it-¦s just that i-¦ve noticed a change during these years on different forums and it doesnt feel good!
Im trying not to complain but has anyone a workaround or du i need to swtich to a nvidia card?
Pls be constructive in your answere, theres already enough fanboys wanting to protect their "investment".. |
Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.06 12:52:00 -
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TKR11142 wrote:The last 5 years i-¦ve been using AMD/ATI for gpu. But now actually i-¦m gettig tired of this. Im trying not to complain but has anyone a workaround or du i need to swtich to a nvidia card?
Yeah i wont be buying AMI again. I'm even considering just swapping out my card now for nvidia, I have had too many damn issues with ATI.
I doubt you will need to switch card, This is a pretty ******* huge problem, What ever is causing it isn't on your end, CCP has to fix this, as a lot more players than us are unable to play.
PS: Im using a HD7950 |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:59:00 -
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had exactly the same problem with my new radeon 7970, after several discussions with my shop I gave it back and took a nVidia GTX 670 card, no problems anymore. Originally I decided for AMD because of tripple head ability, which wasnt supported by nVidia before. In the mean time while I was busy fixing AMD issues, nVidia chips became available which can handle up to 4 displays, which was all I needed.
If comp is freezing, its a good sign your hardware is broken. In any case Im not gonna buy AMD based hardware for the next 5 years again. |
ra773
True Argons Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:12:00 -
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same prob here.
Mac Pro with Ati 5770 runs flawless in Bootcamp windows 7. Now i changed to XFX 7950 Black Edition and get random complete System freezing. Only Hardreset works. No Prob with other games just EVE. Now i'm running my client on Ati5770 again and no freezings. So what's the problem with this Highend ATI Trash and EVE ? |
Rodney Spears
Black Adder Dynamic Broken Toys
6
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:08:00 -
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ra773 wrote:same prob here.
Mac Pro with Ati 5770 runs flawless in Bootcamp windows 7. Now i changed to XFX 7950 Black Edition and get random complete System freezing. Only Hardreset works. No Prob with other games just EVE. Now i'm running my client on Ati5770 again and no freezings. So what's the problem with this Highend ATI Trash and EVE ?
Exactly my problem, except I have a PC. I just upgraded from a 5770 to a 7770. These new AMD's aren't working. I know i hear people saying its a AMD problem, but I assure you it's a CCP problem. My new card works awesome with all my games, except Eve. |
Andromeda Cesaille
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:45:00 -
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Iv'e got the same issue, random freezing, especially when i open the map etc, single client and monitor though. Asus 7970 DCII. Iv'e filed a petition and bug report, everybody who encounters the freezing should do the same, AMD and CCP needs to do something about this, and fast. As it is now it's unplayable, which isn't much fun considering i'm paying a monthly sub. PLEASE do something. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
343
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:54:00 -
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its your fault buying ATI cards, noone else.
And why the f*ck do you post the same posting in 4 different threads *sshole? This isnt going to help with your problem. |
Andromeda Cesaille
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.12 04:09:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:its your fault buying ATI cards, noone else.
And why the f*ck do you post the same posting in 4 different threads *sshole? This isnt going to help with your problem.
It's my fault for buying a high tier GPU from one of the TWO only real options? Nvidia and AMD, thats it, there are no other choices. Also AMD and Nvidia has always had about the same amount of **** happening, GPU drivers in general are horrible, it has always been like that, it's not the hardware. Secondly, the card is 100% stable and works fine in a multitude of other games, something in AMD:s drivers somehow conflicts with something in eve:s coding (and potentially a few other games, but if it's the same exact issue, it's hard to say, look up that huge shogun 2 thread about 7xxx series freezing or just 7xxx freezing in general).
This is most likely AMD:s "fault", yes, and by making CCP aware of all the people having issues, they will hopefully contact AMD themselves, since that brings ALOT more weight to it, than just a couple of people here and there having issues.
What's the problem with posting my experience of the issues in a few threads? They were all about very similar/same issues, 100% relevant. The fact that there are so many threads about this on the first few pages only, is something people should be made aware of, we need a sticky for this. CCP are aware of the freezing issues, but there's is not a single answer from them in any of these threads, that just doesn't seem right.
Bringing up the sub feels rather dirty, i can say, but after an ridicilous amount of hardresets (sure is healthy for the comp) i just get so frustrated, i can log in and change skills, that's about it. Want to do missions? *Freeze* - Flying around in a pod when you come back. Want to do some lowsec exploration? Oh yeah sorry the map doesn't work. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:07:00 -
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Andromeda Cesaille wrote: It's my fault for buying a high tier GPU from one of the TWO only real options? Nvidia and AMD, thats it, there are no other choices. Also AMD and Nvidia has always had about the same amount of **** happening, GPU drivers in general are horrible, it has always been like that, it's not the hardware. Secondly, the card is 100% stable and works fine in a multitude of other games, something in AMD:s drivers somehow conflicts with something in eve:s coding (and potentially a few other games, but if it's the same exact issue, it's hard to say, look up that huge shogun 2 thread about 7xxx series freezing or just 7xxx freezing in general).
Yes, its your fault buying ATI. As for everyone else who does purchase broken things. You know they tend to freeze over years and multiple series of products, thus if you still decide to use that kind of hardware, dont complain if it goes wrong again.
I did this mistake too, but accepted it was wrong, got rid of ATI and put an nVidia card into my PC.
If hardware freezes/crashes the PC its always hardware/driver fault. That easy. Software does not interact with the hardware directly for decades anymore its always the drivers and OS. No user software should be able to put hardware into a corrupt state like freeze, if the drivers/hardware allow this, its a flaw on their end.
Andromeda Cesaille wrote: What's the problem with posting my experience of the issues in a few threads?
because C&P the same cr*ap in multiple threads is called "crossposting" and is considered as spam. |
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CCP Solomon
C C P C C P Alliance
154
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:19:00 -
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Hello,
We are trying to collect as much information as we can to determine if this is a driver issue. The most effective way of getting this information to us is to file a bug report using the in-game tool, this can be accessed by pressing F12.
The in-game bug reporting tool will collect the following information automatically and send it to us with your bug report:
- DXDiag file
- prefs.ini
- screenshots
- logs.txt containing last 1000 lines of in-memory logs from notice and higher.
- methodcalls.txt containing all calls made to the server since the client started
- processHealth.txt containing cpu, memory and network info in 5 second buckets
- settings.yaml containing all your user, public and character settings
If you are unable to use the in-game tool, you can submit issues through the bugs website, but you will need to manually create a DxDiag file yourself and attach it to the web form. Please use the title field to describe the issue, include your graphics card if you believe it is related. You can also use the fields within the bug report tool to describe the reproduction steps that most reliably make your game crash.
There is an excellent page on bug reporting at the EVE Wiki. The more of these reports we can get, the easier it is to pattern match and the more effective our case for change will be.
As others in the thread have mentioned, you can try rolling back your drivers in the interim to see if the issue is no longer present.
Thanks for your continued patience.
Associate Technical Producer - Foundation Technology |
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Saber Coombs
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:36:00 -
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Thanks for looking into this. Since the system completely freezes and a hard reboot is necessary, I'm assuming the in-game tool isn't gonig to be very useful. |
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CCP Solomon
C C P C C P Alliance
154
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:40:00 -
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Saber Coombs wrote:Thanks for looking into this. Since the system completely freezes and a hard reboot is necessary, I'm assuming the in-game tool isn't gonig to be very useful.
The in-game tool is always preferable due to the automatic collection of lots of good information, but as I mentioned in my original reply, if you are unable to use the in-game tool, you can submit issues through the bugs website and attach your DxDiag separately.
Many Thanks. Associate Technical Producer - Foundation Technology |
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Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.07.12 21:50:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Andromeda Cesaille wrote: It's my fault for buying a high tier GPU from one of the TWO only real options? Nvidia and AMD, thats it, there are no other choices. Also AMD and Nvidia has always had about the same amount of **** happening, GPU drivers in general are horrible, it has always been like that, it's not the hardware. Secondly, the card is 100% stable and works fine in a multitude of other games, something in AMD:s drivers somehow conflicts with something in eve:s coding (and potentially a few other games, but if it's the same exact issue, it's hard to say, look up that huge shogun 2 thread about 7xxx series freezing or just 7xxx freezing in general).
Yes, its your fault buying ATI. As for everyone else who does purchase broken things. You know they tend to freeze over years and multiple series of products, thus if you still decide to use that kind of hardware, dont complain if it goes wrong again. I did this mistake too, but accepted it was wrong, got rid of that piece of a sh*t ATI card and put an nVidia GTX 670 card into my PC, working fine since then. Get a driver crashes occassionally which is annoying but its still better than dead stopped PC which then doesnt even reacto to the reset button anymore and requires power off in order to restart it. If hardware freezes/crashes the PC its always hardware/driver fault. That easy. Software does not interact with the hardware directly for decades anymore its always the drivers and OS. No user software should be able to put hardware into a corrupt state like freeze, if the drivers/hardware allow this, its a flaw on their end. Andromeda Cesaille wrote: What's the problem with posting my experience of the issues in a few threads?
because C&P the same cr*ap in multiple threads is called "crossposting" and is considered as spam.
keep bumping our threads bro
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Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:28:00 -
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CCP Solomon wrote:Hello, We are trying to collect as much information as we can to determine if this is a driver issue. The most effective way of getting this information to us is to file a bug report using the in-game tool, this can be accessed by pressing F12. The in-game bug reporting tool will collect the following information automatically and send it to us with your bug report:
- DXDiag file
- prefs.ini
- screenshots
- logs.txt containing last 1000 lines of in-memory logs from notice and higher.
- methodcalls.txt containing all calls made to the server since the client started
- processHealth.txt containing cpu, memory and network info in 5 second buckets
- settings.yaml containing all your user, public and character settings
If you are unable to use the in-game tool, you can submit issues through the bugs website, but you will need to manually create a DxDiag file yourself and attach it to the web form. Please use the title field to describe the issue, include your graphics card if you believe it is related. You can also use the fields within the bug report tool to describe the reproduction steps that most reliably make your game crash. There is an excellent page on bug reporting at the EVE Wiki. The more of these reports we can get, the easier it is to pattern match and the more effective our case for change will be. As others in the thread have mentioned, you can try rolling back your drivers in the interim to see if the issue is no longer present. Thanks for your continued patience.
hd7870 here
i'm using the latest display driver under revision 12.6, but have the same effect in 12.4 and 12.5, so rollbacks don't seem to helping. the behavior starting happening when i upgraded from an hd48xx to the 7870 so this series of gpu is involved.
tried both a fresh Windows 7 install and a fresh EVE client, same issue. no other game causes this.
doesn't seem to be a pattern for when or how the entire system hard locks, but i've noticed it more and more when i'm switching between multiple clients on dual monitors.
due to the hard lock, there's not much logging being done, and virtually nothing in the event viewer besides a critical kernal-power error (pressing the reset button).
regardless, i encourage everyone having this problem to submit the info CCP Soloman requested as it may help them find out what we all have in common that could be causing the freezes.
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ISquishWorms
146
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Posted - 2012.07.13 00:22:00 -
[36] - Quote
My client freezes from time to time as well.
It will lock up the PC at random intervals for a period of roughly 30 seconds. I have an NVidia graphics card though.
I don't know if this will help in the search for the problem, but I just had the client lock up on me and when it sprang back into life this is what it had done to the station. Notice my ship manged to render fine on this occasion although I would not say that this is always the case.
I have given up sending in bug reports as all I ever get in return is 'We can not reproduce' emails.
ISquishWorms.
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OrDeR
Muppet Factory Northern Coalition.
84
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:37:00 -
[37] - Quote
I have used Nvidia for years and decided to try ATI few months ago with the dual 7970's and it was a big ******* mistake in regards to eve pew. No multi boxing until this is resolved or I rage and buy new cards. Filed 3 bug reports and numerous petitions and it's been over 2 months. One word WIN |
Tau Leece
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 15:48:00 -
[38] - Quote
Just upgraded from a HD 5870 to a HD 7870 due to the 5870 losing the will to live,,,
Gutted... You pay out vast amount of money and you get rewarded with this game freezing on ya....
Mine tends to crash whilst multi boxing only, although that doesnt mean it wont crash with just one loaded, just havent expierenced that yet...
Tried settings to lower standards although that goes against the grain.... Tried repairing, using Eve tool Tried rolling back the drivers
Loading the map seems to be a big no no... Crashed a few times doing that! At least its good to know, its not just me.....
HD 7870 presently using 12.6 drivers Windows 7 - 64 bit I7 930 6Gb Memory On board Sound
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Th3 Ladyship
Red Shift Enterprises
28
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:18:00 -
[39] - Quote
Im on an ATI 5700 and I am having the same issues. REALLY ANNOYING as mine tends to happen when I either JUMP or when I warp. ITS A GOOD JOB THEY ARENT IMPORTANT TIMES. Lol :P Red Shift Enterprises is living in Low-Sec. Come join us?
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Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:04:00 -
[40] - Quote
Th3 Ladyship wrote:Im on an ATI 5700 and I am having the same issues. REALLY ANNOYING as mine tends to happen when I either JUMP or when I warp. ITS A GOOD JOB THEY ARENT IMPORTANT TIMES. Lol :P
Entire system lockup?
When did yours start?
If the 5xxx series cards are stuffed the same as the 7xxx cards, Im going to have to give someone a beating. |
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nardaq
Orion Expeditions
22
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:46:00 -
[41] - Quote
people, people....
step one: sell ATI Step Two: buy Nvidia Problem solved = WIN!!!
I had no issue with my ATI 4890 for years, until 1.5 patch in April this year. BSOD when i boot up a second or more clients. (and the issue is still exisit )
I waited a week or 2 and was NOT gonna wait longer for CCP to get it fixed. bought a Nvidia and problems are gone. |
Jenny Kitty
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:48:00 -
[42] - Quote
1x HD 7970
I am having the same issue. I was having the same problem with Tera Online.
I am also dualboxing.
Please fix this CCP. |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.17 22:42:00 -
[43] - Quote
just FYI, this is still not fixed and I'm considering just selling this PoS and buy something that actually works without one year of fixing... oh yeah... lets create a really high performance card which wont work stable for at least 1 year... thet's the whole point of buying expensive ATI ****... ktxhdie ATI...
Also, this happens with only 1 client as well... especially funny during solo pvp... -,- |
Lili Lu
309
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Posted - 2012.07.18 05:07:00 -
[44] - Quote
nardaq wrote:people, people.... step one: sell ATI Step Two: buy Nvidia Problem solved = WIN!!! I had no issue with my ATI 4890 for years, until 1.5 patch in April this year. BSOD when i boot up a second or more clients. (and the issue is still exisit ) I waited a week or 2 and was NOT gonna wait longer for CCP to get it fixed. bought a Nvidia and problems are gone. unfortunately an nvidia card is not a cure all. there are people having problems with nvidia cards. but good for you that you aren't one of them. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
350
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Posted - 2012.07.18 08:49:00 -
[45] - Quote
nardaq wrote:people, people.... step one: sell ATI Step Two: buy Nvidia Problem solved = WIN!!! I had no issue with my ATI 4890 for years, until 1.5 patch in April this year. BSOD when i boot up a second or more clients. (and the issue is still exisit ) I waited a week or 2 and was NOT gonna wait longer for CCP to get it fixed. bought a Nvidia and problems are gone.
what this guy said. You can wait AMD to fix the crashes, or just sell their sh*t and buy nvidia.
occasional driver crashes > system freeze
PS: yes I'm mad about AMD, bought one of their products for years I avoided them due to instability issues and all I got were SYSTEM FREEZES! They havent learnt for years, they were always bad and they seem not to improve!! |
Mad B0mber
Cosmology Deadly Unknown
1
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Posted - 2012.07.19 06:12:00 -
[46] - Quote
I have a radeon 7970 aswell and my reliablity was pretty good u p untill recently somewhere in the last patch or two or three things went wrong..
now i get complete lock ups..
no prgs added, drivers the same. etc etc.. everyhting else works great except EVE
managed to get it to hard crash 3 times in a row going into starmap.. No recovery possible, reset or power down is only fix.
using 12.6 CCC's also tried the 12.7 beta drivers but it made no difference..
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Jenny Kitty
3
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Posted - 2012.07.19 13:10:00 -
[47] - Quote
Mad B0mber wrote:I have a radeon 7970 aswell and my reliablity was pretty good u p untill recently somewhere in the last patch or two or three things went wrong..
now i get complete lock ups..
no prgs added, drivers the same. etc etc.. everyhting else works great except EVE
managed to get it to hard crash 3 times in a row going into starmap.. No recovery possible, reset or power down is only fix.
using 12.6 CCC's also tried the 12.7 beta drivers but it made no difference..
What is your config (CPU, SSD, RAM) ?
Are you connecting your monitor via the DisplayPort/HDMI/DVI ?
FYI, no drivers out there will make any difference. I tested all of them from 12.2 to 12.7 beta. AMD hasn't yet fixed it.
I have been doing some testing for the last two months and I recently found a change that affects the freezes (not solving them). It is related to the AMD sound drivers but I'll post more on that later if the tests are conclusive. |
Jenny Kitty
3
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Posted - 2012.07.19 23:54:00 -
[48] - Quote
Hi guys,
I have good news to share with you. I have found a fix that works.
I have successfully been able to play with multiple accounts for a long period of time at max settings after the fix.
The problem seems to be related to the HDMI sound drivers that are installed with the AMD drivers. Uninstalling/disabling them has resolved my issue related to freezing while gaming with a single AMD HD 7970.
Before I explain the procedure, here are my current PC specs: - i7 930 OC @4Ghz - 1x MSI HD 7970 connected to 3 monitors via DisplayPort and DVI. - 12G RAM - SSD OCZ Agility 3 - Drivers 12.7 beta installed.
Procedure: 1) Uninstall the HDMI drivers via the "AMD Catalyst Install Manager". Go to Start-> Control Panel -> Uninstall Program -> Right click on "AMD Catalyst Install Manager" and select Change then Uninstall Manager. In the component list, select only the HDMI drivers. Click Next and complete the uninstallation procedure. You will be asked to reboot, click Yes.
2) After rebooting your system, go to Start-> Right click on Computer and then Properties. Select Device Manager on the top left corner. Under the list, expand "Sound, video and game controllers" and check if you have "AMD High Definition Audio Device" (Make sure it is prefixed with "AMD"). If yes, right click and uninstall and reboot. If not, go to next step.
3) Last step is to disable the default Windows HMDI drivers. See screenshot Device Manager. Right click on High Definition Audio Device and then Disable. Reboot. You're done.
Hopefully AMD or CCP fixes the issue in a later patch but for now I can live without it as I am not using my monitor speakers (FYI, DisplayPort/HDMI cables enable video AND sound hence why AMD drivers include sound drivers).
Please let me know if that fixed it for you. |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.21 10:29:00 -
[49] - Quote
Jenny Kitty wrote:Hi guys, I have good news to share with you. I have found a fix that works. I have successfully been able to play with multiple accounts for a long period of time at max settings after the fix. The problem seems to be related to the HDMI sound drivers that are installed with the AMD drivers. Uninstalling/disabling them has resolved my issue related to freezing while gaming with a single AMD HD 7970. Before I explain the procedure, here are my current PC specs: - i7 930 OC @4Ghz - 1x MSI HD 7970 connected to 3 monitors via DisplayPort and DVI. - 12G RAM - SSD OCZ Agility 3 - Drivers 12.7 beta installed. - Windows 7 64 bits Procedure: 1) Uninstall the HDMI drivers via the "AMD Catalyst Install Manager". Go to Start-> Control Panel -> Uninstall Program -> Right click on "AMD Catalyst Install Manager" and select Change then Uninstall Manager. In the component list, select only the HDMI drivers. Click Next and complete the uninstallation procedure. You will be asked to reboot, click Yes. 2) After rebooting your system, go to Start-> Right click on Computer and then Properties. Select Device Manager on the top left corner. Under the list, expand "Sound, video and game controllers" and check if you have "AMD High Definition Audio Device" (Make sure it is prefixed with "AMD"). If yes, right click and uninstall and reboot. If not, go to next step. 3) Last step is to disable the default Windows HMDI drivers. See screenshot Device Manager. Right click on High Definition Audio Device and then Disable. Reboot. You're done. Hopefully AMD or CCP fixes the issue in a later patch but for now I can live without it as I am not using my monitor speakers (FYI, DisplayPort/HDMI cables enable video AND sound hence why AMD drivers include sound drivers). Please let me know if that fixed it for you. Thank you for your procedure. Unfortunately it didn't work for me :-( Crashed after ~15 mins, randomly again... |
Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.07.21 20:56:00 -
[50] - Quote
I love all of the people being useful with their comments about ATI supposedly sucking, clearly that will help us fix our problem.
I have heard problems with both ATI and nVidia from all different areas, but thank you for wasting our time and yours by sharing that info.
I tried the supposed fix from Jenny, but sadly it did not work for my either. Thank you anyways.
Bump for the same issue with 2x XFX Radeon HD 6870s @ stock speed. Cannot move any client off the monitor it boots up with, to either of my other two monitors, without it completely locking my computer up and forcing me to hard reboot. Zero problems with any other games although I have not needed to move the clients from the main monitor over to others. |
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Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
2
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Posted - 2012.07.22 03:27:00 -
[51] - Quote
Jenny Kitty wrote:Hi guys, I have good news to share with you. I have found a fix that works. I have successfully been able to play with multiple accounts for a long period of time at max settings after the fix. The problem seems to be related to the HDMI sound drivers that are installed with the AMD drivers. Uninstalling/disabling them has resolved my issue related to freezing while gaming with a single AMD HD 7970. Before I explain the procedure, here are my current PC specs: - i7 930 OC @4Ghz - 1x MSI HD 7970 connected to 3 monitors via DisplayPort and DVI. - 12G RAM - SSD OCZ Agility 3 - Drivers 12.7 beta installed. - Windows 7 64 bits Procedure: 1) Uninstall the HDMI drivers via the "AMD Catalyst Install Manager". Go to Start-> Control Panel -> Uninstall Program -> Right click on "AMD Catalyst Install Manager" and select Change then Uninstall Manager. In the component list, select only the HDMI drivers. Click Next and complete the uninstallation procedure. You will be asked to reboot, click Yes. 2) After rebooting your system, go to Start-> Right click on Computer and then Properties. Select Device Manager on the top left corner. Under the list, expand "Sound, video and game controllers" and check if you have "AMD High Definition Audio Device" (Make sure it is prefixed with "AMD"). If yes, right click and uninstall and reboot. If not, go to next step. 3) Last step is to disable the default Windows HMDI drivers. See screenshot Device Manager. Right click on High Definition Audio Device and then Disable. Reboot. You're done. Hopefully AMD or CCP fixes the issue in a later patch but for now I can live without it as I am not using my monitor speakers (FYI, DisplayPort/HDMI cables enable video AND sound hence why AMD drivers include sound drivers). Please let me know if that fixed it for you.
this does not work
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Jenny Kitty
8
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Posted - 2012.07.23 17:49:00 -
[52] - Quote
Indeed, my computer froze again today. It used to freeze within 15mins without that fix. Sorry guys. I have been trying every little change possible without success. I am now completely hopeless. I guess I'll have to change graphic card soon. |
ra773
True Argons Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:12:00 -
[53] - Quote
Jenny Kitty wrote:Hi guys, I have good news to share with you. I have found a fix that works. I have successfully been able to play with multiple accounts for a long period of time at max settings after the fix. The problem seems to be related to the HDMI sound drivers that are installed with the AMD drivers. Uninstalling/disabling them has resolved my issue related to freezing while gaming with a single AMD HD 7970. Before I explain the procedure, here are my current PC specs: - i7 930 OC @4Ghz - 1x MSI HD 7970 connected to 3 monitors via DisplayPort and DVI. - 12G RAM - SSD OCZ Agility 3 - Drivers 12.7 beta installed. - Windows 7 64 bits Procedure: 1) Uninstall the HDMI drivers via the "AMD Catalyst Install Manager". Go to Start-> Control Panel -> Uninstall Program -> Right click on "AMD Catalyst Install Manager" and select Change then Uninstall Manager. In the component list, select only the HDMI drivers. Click Next and complete the uninstallation procedure. You will be asked to reboot, click Yes. 2) After rebooting your system, go to Start-> Right click on Computer and then Properties. Select Device Manager on the top left corner. Under the list, expand "Sound, video and game controllers" and check if you have "AMD High Definition Audio Device" (Make sure it is prefixed with "AMD"). If yes, right click and uninstall and reboot. If not, go to next step. 3) Last step is to disable the default Windows HMDI drivers. See screenshot Device Manager. Right click on High Definition Audio Device and then Disable. Reboot. You're done. Hopefully AMD or CCP fixes the issue in a later patch but for now I can live without it as I am not using my monitor speakers (FYI, DisplayPort/HDMI cables enable video AND sound hence why AMD drivers include sound drivers). Please let me know if that fixed it for you.
tried it and it doesnt work. at least for multiclient
single client with diabolo 3 open was running fine, but need to test further.
rolled back to my ati 5770 and multiclients run like a charm just without nice graphic. But here i didn't had a issue anyways.
so i guess highend graphic in eve is just something nice u can watch in movies, as high end cards don't work as they should.
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Jenny Kitty
8
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:56:00 -
[54] - Quote
Thanks for the feedback.
I have read countless number of post about this. As far as I know, 2 other games are experiencing the same issue. Tera Online and Total War Shogun 2. On the later website forums, there are 82 pages of feedback. Do you realize the extent of the issue ? It is quite infuriating to buy such an expensive card and not being able to play one's favourite game.
Links: http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/35440-7xxx-Series-AMD-cards-freezes-and-lock-ups/ https://tera-answers.enmasse.com/posts/0c51f8c038?start=31&stop=45 |
Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.07.23 22:16:00 -
[55] - Quote
Bump. Still having the same problem.
So happy I pay for four accounts(albeit via plexs thankfully), but can't use more than one monitor without my computer crashing. |
Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:22:00 -
[56] - Quote
Yea still having the same problem here cant play the game already died cuz of it. CCP should give me my money back for the past month. |
Sellendis
The Ares project
149
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Posted - 2012.07.24 09:17:00 -
[57] - Quote
Using ATI 5770 i had no issues, upgraded to 6850 (just couse 560ti wasnt available) and never had a problem.
Using 2 DVIs + 1 HDMI, 3 clients and no problems. Tested on all combinations of ports and number of clients, and when i run out of accs, i boot Sisi ones :) Still no crash.... Map or no map, cant get the goddamn thing to go down. As some people have simillar issue with series 5xxx and 6xxx.
Using 11.10 drivers, firm believer of not trying to fix what isnt broken. Heard a lot of crappy issues with newer drivers, so how far back with drivers did ya guys go to test?
P.S. - just if anyone wonders, i am an old fart and i have decades of experience with software and drivers and performance upgrade with new versions that give 3.2% FPS boost isnt nearly good to make me sacrifice working stability.
I had horrible experience with both cards, from crappy quality, insanely loud fans that do nothing, to drivers that should have never left the dev PC and should get him/her/them to the electric chair before even thinking about unemployment.
So lets leave fanboys ATI vs nVidia fights out of this, this issue is purely a ATI driver + EVE Online mix that ends up with angry customers. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
358
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Posted - 2012.07.24 10:14:00 -
[58] - Quote
you can still wait someone to fix it, which may take half an eternity. Or you fix it by yourself and get rid of ATI. |
Jenny Kitty
8
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Posted - 2012.07.24 11:29:00 -
[59] - Quote
Sellendis wrote:Using ATI 5770 i had no issues, upgraded to 6850 (just couse 560ti wasnt available) and never had a problem.
Using 2 DVIs + 1 HDMI, 3 clients and no problems. Tested on all combinations of ports and number of clients, and when i run out of accs, i boot Sisi ones :) Still no crash.... Map or no map, cant get the goddamn thing to go down. As some people have simillar issue with series 5xxx and 6xxx.
Using 11.10 drivers, firm believer of not trying to fix what isnt broken. Heard a lot of crappy issues with newer drivers, so how far back with drivers did ya guys go to test?
P.S. - just if anyone wonders, i am an old fart and i have decades of experience with software and drivers and performance upgrade with new versions that give 3.2% FPS boost isnt nearly good to make me sacrifice working stability.
I had horrible experience with both cards, from crappy quality, insanely loud fans that do nothing, to drivers that should have never left the dev PC and should get him/her/them to the electric chair before even thinking about unemployment.
So lets leave fanboys ATI vs nVidia fights out of this, this issue is purely a ATI driver + EVE Online mix that ends up with angry customers.
I went as far back as 11.12 which is the default driver sold with the graphic card. No luck I am afraid. |
Sellendis
The Ares project
149
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Posted - 2012.07.24 12:43:00 -
[60] - Quote
Jenny Kitty wrote:
I went as far back as 11.12 which is the default driver sold with the graphic card. No luck I am afraid.
Damn, so series 7xxx starts from 11.12 drivers. But people with other series had issues also, so its not new hardware that is faulty.
Maybe a combination of hardware? I mean, i am playing on an old E6500, 4gb ram, 6850 and w7x64, 2 years old win install (that i keep reasonably clean), win updates disabled when i noticed how M$ decided to ***** my hdd space for backups of every crap, so its not updated for 1.5y, no AV or FW installed. Running AV check from other bootable media now and then + malwarebytes weekly. If this old POS manages to hang on....then honestly.
Probably drivers wrecking havoc. Ati does wonders in that department....damn idiots. Guess later series just dont wanna play along with Eve tech, but work without trouble with other games and pass burn-in and stability benches nicely. Frustrating as hell.
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Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:17:00 -
[61] - Quote
Kind of frustrating after 3 years of having my GTX 260 with zero problems, an old corpie of mine suggested the HD 6870s as they out performed the GTX 400 series while being cheaper, so I went with it. I also bought a second HD 6870 back in March so I am stuck with these for awhile as they are great cards outside of the fact that I cannot multi-monitor clients anymore.
*Cries* |
Sellendis
The Ares project
150
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Posted - 2012.07.25 11:13:00 -
[62] - Quote
How come mate? When i was using 5770, active eve screen was going 60 fps, secondary was at 30. With 6850, they both run at 60fps on their LCDs (v-sync), no drops or problems at all.
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Ogogov
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.07.25 14:42:00 -
[63] - Quote
Multiboxing eve clients on a 1900x1200/60 screen and a 2560x1440/60 screen gave me headaches on my 6950, but that turned out to be the crappy miniDP adapter.
Replaced with a higher quality cable and the problem went away, other than that I can say everything has been extremely stable. |
Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.07.25 18:32:00 -
[64] - Quote
Sellendis wrote:How come mate? When i was using 5770, active eve screen was going 60 fps, secondary was at 30. With 6850, they both run at 60fps on their LCDs (v-sync), no drops or problems at all.
It is explained in my own thread about the issue but my computer completely locks up and I have to force restart after trying to move even just one client, from one monitor to another.
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Jenny Kitty
8
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Posted - 2012.07.25 22:23:00 -
[65] - Quote
There seems to be a high correlation with the type of sockets users who are affected by the lockups have. Users with cpu socket 1155 and with ATI 7000 series do not seem to have lockups.
http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/35440-7xxx-Series-AMD-cards-freezes-and-lock-ups?p=367752&viewfull=1#post367752 http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/41019-To-ALL-HD-7xxx-card-users?p=367756#post367756 www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=11772550#post11772550
Just a reminder for those who haven't read the entire thread is that there are few games out there that lock up with ATI 7000 series. Eve and Total War are one of them. Other games don't lock up. |
Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
3
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:52:00 -
[66] - Quote
this needs to go back on the first page |
Alcyone Diotrephes
Requiem Liberators Female Breast Inspectors
0
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Posted - 2012.07.28 11:09:00 -
[67] - Quote
As stated above, Shogun Total War 2 have this same issue with the 7970 card, which i have experienced myself aswell.
For STW2 there is a sollution tho, you can play the game in DX9 instead of in DX11, which works for me without a single crash as of yet.
Not sure what DirectX that EVE even uses but it might be worth checking into. Personally i don't even know where i would start so ill leave that to those who actually know something about this stuff.
EDIT: And yes, i also experience this playing EVE, got 6 during a 4 hour corp op the other day, oh the fun. |
Inspiration
Focused Radical Energy Engineering
37
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Posted - 2012.07.28 16:24:00 -
[68] - Quote
Kara Books wrote:Client runs fine dual boxing, 2 ATi GPU's in crossfire.
I am getting some odd glitches with the actual Game client, were not the only ones and iv never seen so many complaints before.
Does eve even support crossfire?
I have my ATI cards (6970) deliberately not configured as crossfire and instead assign two clients to each card starting up from their own folder. This seems to work fine and gives me a measure of control and less spookyness. Just make sure that the clients you assign to a card have their output to the monitors connected to them, else you get a very bad slowdown. |
Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.29 08:10:00 -
[69] - Quote
It happens to more than just people who Crossfire.
"There seems to be a high correlation with the type of sockets users who are affected by the lockups have. Users with cpu socket 1155 and with ATI 7000 series do not seem to have lockups."
Could be... I use 2011 Socket motherboard.
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Jenny Kitty
8
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Posted - 2012.07.29 21:21:00 -
[70] - Quote
Just to give you an update guys. As most of you are, I was fed up of these freezes and had to make a choice. I had the following options:
a) Buying a new video card Nvidia GTX670/680 (I could not exchange my ATI 7970). b) Buying a new motherboard (with AGP 3.0) + cpu 1155 Ivy Bridge c) Just wait
I went with b) as it is a bit cheaper than a). I took a risk because if the earlier hypothesis was not true it would end up more expensive than expected.
I built the new rig yesterday and spent the whole day today playing. So far I have had no freeze.
I will update this thread if I have any freeze.
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Andromeda Cesaille
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.30 12:15:00 -
[71] - Quote
Interesting info about the CPU sockets, i got a 7970 and a i7 920 (1366 socket), loads of freezes (see my earlier posts in the thread). Installed my old 5870, so now i can play at least... |
Jenny Kitty
8
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Posted - 2012.07.30 13:19:00 -
[72] - Quote
Andromeda Cesaille wrote:Interesting info about the CPU sockets, i got a 7970 and a i7 920 (1366 socket), loads of freezes (see my earlier posts in the thread). Installed my old 5870, so now i can play at least...
I know, I had almost the same setup (7970+i7 930) which was causing freezes and before that crossfire 5870 +i7 930 and no problem whatsoever. |
Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
3
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Posted - 2012.08.01 17:47:00 -
[73] - Quote
Jenny Kitty wrote:Just to give you an update guys. As most of you are, I was fed up of these freezes and had to make a choice. I had the following options:
a) Buying a new video card Nvidia GTX670/680 (I could not exchange my ATI 7970). b) Buying a new motherboard (with AGP 3.0) + cpu 1155 Ivy Bridge c) Just wait
I went with b) as it is a bit cheaper than a). I took a risk because if the earlier hypothesis was not true it would end up more expensive than expected.
I built the new rig yesterday and spent the whole day today playing. So far I have had no freeze.
I will update this thread if I have any freeze.
d) let subscription lapse until its fixed |
Lili Lu
327
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Posted - 2012.08.04 01:43:00 -
[74] - Quote
bumping this. game is still ****** up. still waiting for you CCP to say you know you have a problem and are working to fix memory leakes or whatever the hell it is. |
Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.08.05 23:03:00 -
[75] - Quote
Agree'ed |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
366
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Posted - 2012.08.06 17:43:00 -
[76] - Quote
Lili Lu wrote:bumping this. game is still ****** up. still waiting for you CCP to say you know you have a problem and are working to fix memory leakes or whatever the hell it is.
ensuring hardware stability is the responsibility of the hardware manufactorer, not CCPs |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.08.07 07:12:00 -
[77] - Quote
Warr Pigg wrote:Jenny Kitty wrote:Just to give you an update guys. As most of you are, I was fed up of these freezes and had to make a choice. I had the following options:
a) Buying a new video card Nvidia GTX670/680 (I could not exchange my ATI 7970). b) Buying a new motherboard (with AGP 3.0) + cpu 1155 Ivy Bridge c) Just wait
I went with b) as it is a bit cheaper than a). I took a risk because if the earlier hypothesis was not true it would end up more expensive than expected.
I built the new rig yesterday and spent the whole day today playing. So far I have had no freeze.
I will update this thread if I have any freeze.
d) let subscription lapse until its fixed e) d & play something that doesn't freeze in the meantime... omg... yes... it's world of farmcraft -,- |
Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:20:00 -
[78] - Quote
Bump, same freezing issue. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
369
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:48:00 -
[79] - Quote
when you people stop being ret*rded? |
Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.08.09 16:51:00 -
[80] - Quote
Bump. No new drivers from AMD for awhile and no fix with the big update from August 8th.
=/. |
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Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:23:00 -
[81] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:when you people stop being ret*rded? When you stop being a rude ****. |
Solania Aurae
Solar Wind Test Friends Please Ignore
5
|
Posted - 2012.08.13 06:06:00 -
[82] - Quote
I'm running an Intel 1155 Socket and also am also experiencing these issues with my HD7850, running 12.7 Beta driver.
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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:48:00 -
[83] - Quote
During the freeze- Can you move your mouse? Can you hear sound during? Can you ctrl-alt-delete? |
Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
5
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 03:17:00 -
[84] - Quote
Nyancat Audeles wrote:During the freeze- Can you move your mouse? Can you hear sound during? Can you ctrl-alt-delete?
no, no, and no. its a hard lock. |
Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:47:00 -
[85] - Quote
Warr Pigg wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote:During the freeze- Can you move your mouse? Can you hear sound during? Can you ctrl-alt-delete? no, no, and no. its a hard lock. +1. I try to spam close the EVE client once it happens but it just eventually freezes after black screening.
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Tivaa Flares
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:03:00 -
[86] - Quote
I know that my locking up issues stopped when I changed the register flag on EnableUlps to 0 on my ati card. |
Sacheverell McEvoy
The Nascent Transcendence Collective
0
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Posted - 2012.08.15 03:04:00 -
[87] - Quote
Same issues here - dual-boxing on a 7850, and it seems to crash mostly when I tab between the clients. Haven't tried opening a map yet on this card - other people's reports on that have scared me off of the idea - but the tabbing thing is mostly repeatable. Doesn't seem to have any correlation beyond tabbing.
The lockup freezes my entire system, necessitating a cold boot. Glad to see it's not just me having this issue. |
Solania Aurae
Solar Wind Test Friends Please Ignore
5
|
Posted - 2012.08.16 04:05:00 -
[88] - Quote
Looks like AMD has just released WHQL 12.8. Will see if this helps at all.
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Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.08.16 06:25:00 -
[89] - Quote
Installing 12.8 atm. Here's to praying I can actually multi-client with multiple monitors again :). |
Tarin Adur
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
|
Posted - 2012.08.16 06:45:00 -
[90] - Quote
Another disappointment =/. The newest drivers from AMD(12.8) did not fix the issue. Bluescreened and it actually cleared my EVE cache due to the crash. WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNING.
Pretty dang frustrating that I have four accounts currently active but havent been able to truly play for over two months now. |
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Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.08.16 07:23:00 -
[91] - Quote
Amazing how both games that have problems are nvidia sponsored ones. Similar as with EVE getting a lot more issues with AMD cards after they jumped in to bed with nvidia.
Perhaps we need everyone with AMD to tell CCP to go to hell so they actually start doing their work. |
Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
5
|
Posted - 2012.08.18 23:23:00 -
[92] - Quote
Tivaa Flares wrote:I know that my locking up issues stopped when I changed the registry flag on EnableUlps to 0 on my ati card. under LOCAL_MACHINE, swap the 1 for 0 on dword EnableUlps.
anyone else confirm this? |
Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 02:06:00 -
[93] - Quote
just downloaded the new AMD driver its still locking up when i open the starmap................ |
Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 02:08:00 -
[94] - Quote
Axhind wrote:Amazing how both games that have problems are nvidia sponsored ones. Similar as with EVE getting a lot more issues with AMD cards after they jumped in to bed with nvidia.
Perhaps we need everyone with AMD to tell CCP to go to hell so they actually start doing their work. Agree'ed ^_^ |
Tau Leece
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
0
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:11:00 -
[95] - Quote
First time since owing this game have i paid for only 1 month at at time...Its the lack of any correspondance regarding this issue from the powers that be thats quite frustrating... I have 2 paid for accounts that dont work properly.A little nod in our direction just to say, we are doing more than lookin into this on our lunch break wouldnt go a miss.
Thats my two pennies worth anyway
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Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2012.08.20 00:47:00 -
[96] - Quote
Tau Leece wrote:First time since owing this game have i paid for only 1 month at at time...Its the lack of any correspondance regarding this issue from the powers that be thats quite frustrating... I have 2 paid for accounts that dont work properly.A little nod in our direction just to say, we are doing more than lookin into this on our lunch break wouldnt go a miss.
Thats my two pennies worth anyway
Yea CCP needs to say something like we know about the problem and are on it instead of just saying put in a bug report. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
19
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Posted - 2012.08.21 13:32:00 -
[97] - Quote
So.... EVE and whole CCP is nVidia possitive, testing and optimising their games on nVidia and dont give a sh**t about AMD users ....BUT...... AMD is the one who is making bad and unstable cards? ... GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Lili Lu
353
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:27:00 -
[98] - Quote
Axhind wrote:Amazing how both games that have problems are nvidia sponsored ones. Similar as with EVE getting a lot more issues with AMD cards after they jumped in to bed with nvidia.
Perhaps we need everyone with AMD to tell CCP to go to hell so they actually start doing their work. Except this problem is manifesting with nvidia cards as well. The frustrating thing is it is not just the card. People with similar cards are having differnet results. Some are experiencing this freeze problem some are not.
I personally have a desktop and a laptop with nvidia cards. The lappy is running along fine with eve. The desktop is fubarred with freezes with eve since one of the early follow up patches to inferno.
Plus one to having some dev make a post saying they know they have a widespread freeze problem and are searching for the disagreement between the client and the video cards of those affected. I doubt it is driver specific as both my machines are running the same nvidia latest beta driver. So it may have to do with specific settings on the cards or maybe it is just part the ongoing memory leak problems the game has had. Really would be nice to have some official indication that someone is investigating. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
391
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:51:00 -
[99] - Quote
TharOkha wrote:So.... EVE and whole CCP is nVidia possitive, testing and optimising their games on nVidia and dont give a sh**t about AMD users ....BUT...... AMD is the one who is making bad and unstable cards? ... yes. If hardware is crashing, its always the hardware vendor to blame in the first line. |
Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
5
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:59:00 -
[100] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:TharOkha wrote:So.... EVE and whole CCP is nVidia possitive, testing and optimising their games on nVidia and dont give a sh**t about AMD users ....BUT...... AMD is the one who is making bad and unstable cards? ... yes. If hardware is crashing, its always the hardware vendor to blame in the first line.
that is false |
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
391
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:34:00 -
[101] - Quote
Warr Pigg wrote: that is false
no its not. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
19
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Posted - 2012.08.22 06:30:00 -
[102] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:TharOkha wrote:So.... EVE and whole CCP is nVidia possitive, testing and optimising their games on nVidia and dont give a sh**t about AMD users ....BUT...... AMD is the one who is making bad and unstable cards? ... yes. If hardware is crashing, its always the hardware vendor to blame in the first line.
....always wondered about nVidia users logic If a game is optimised for particular hardware, its logical that rival hardware will be at a disadvantage and will be crashing.
But if piece of hardware is crashing in OS or driver destroys your card then blame HW manufacturer. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
391
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Posted - 2012.08.22 08:32:00 -
[103] - Quote
TharOkha wrote:....always wondered about nVidia users logic If a game is optimised for particular hardware, its logical that rival hardware will be at a disadvantage and will be crashing. crashing hardware is always hardware vendors fault. Drivers must not allow hardware to crash even if the software is not optimized for this type of hardware, thats by far no reason or justification for it to crash or even freeze the entire system. Because of this I got rid of AMD sh*t, they are apparently ignoring problems and keep distributing broken freezing drivers.
yeah you're absolutely right, nvidias fault in this case |
Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
5
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:56:00 -
[104] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:TharOkha wrote:....always wondered about nVidia users logic If a game is optimised for particular hardware, its logical that rival hardware will be at a disadvantage and will be crashing. crashing hardware is always hardware vendors fault. Drivers must not allow hardware to crash even if the software is not optimized for this type of hardware, thats by far no reason or excuse for it to crash or even freeze the entire system. Because of this I got rid of AMD sh*t, they are apparently ignoring problems and keep distributing broken freezing drivers. yeah you're absolutely right, nvidias fault in this case
if you've been paying attention to this thread at all, which you haven't, you would have noticed that its a driver issue in conjunction with a series of sockets from intel chips that were released before pci-e 3.0, which is what the 7xxx series are. if it was strictly a gpu driver problem, windows would blue screen/restart instead of a hard lock, which indicates a problem with the CPU as well.
so by your logic you should have also stopped using your intel chip. unless of course you are using an AMD chip, which would make you a complete hypocrite. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
397
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Posted - 2012.08.24 10:03:00 -
[105] - Quote
I too used to blame my car manufactorer if a bad tyre attached to it goes off during on highway |
BIG DON hardergamer
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
0
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Posted - 2012.08.28 16:57:00 -
[106] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:TharOkha wrote:So.... EVE and whole CCP is nVidia possitive, testing and optimising their games on nVidia and dont give a sh**t about AMD users ....BUT...... AMD is the one who is making bad and unstable cards? ... yes. If hardware is crashing, its always the hardware vendor to blame in the first line.
So by your logic, when a virus crashes a pc, the hardware vendor is to blame.
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Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.01 09:29:00 -
[107] - Quote
CCP FFS! Stop me playing WoW instead of EVE just because EVE makes my PC freeze! No fun losing expensive **** like this! Having four accounts paid for a friggin year and not being able to play => no fun! |
Prothnim
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.03 04:04:00 -
[108] - Quote
I'm also having this issue with my system as is a friend of mine with exactly the same components (see below).
Eve always locks up during combat, no response from the system at all forcing a hard reboot. Sometimes it will run for hours without a problem, other times it will crash within seconds of combat starting...
No problems with any other application or games and the system has been 100% stable otherwise.
Intel Core i7-9390K Gigabyte GA-X79 UD3 (LGA-2011) 16GB Quad channel DDR3 Gigabyte HD 7970 Windforce Edition - Catalyst 12.7 Samsung UA40EH6000M @ 1920x1080 via DVI Windows 7 64bit Home Edition OS installed on OCZ 120GB SSD Eve installed on 1TB Seagate Barracuda
Is it possible to relocate the Eve cache away from the SSD and point it to another drive? - Edit: found an unofficial way to do it here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34262 |
Smurfinator
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.09.03 07:35:00 -
[109] - Quote
I'm also having a similar problem when I run 2 clients. 1 client will randomly freeze for about 45 seconds whenever I query the Eve server in some way< but not every time. It may be the map or show info on another toon or check the market etc. This issue started with the last patch for me. My cursor will freely move but the Eve client that freezes will turn white as the notification warns me the program has stopped responding and do I want to close it or wait for it to respond. I usually hit wait and 45 seconds later its back.
Q6600 OC'ed to 3.0 8GB DDR 3 Ram 2x 140GB Raptors 1X 120GB Vertex 2 SSD Nvidia 790 Ultra Sli GtX 570 SupeClocked Edition |
Erebus Adrastos
ZERO T0LERANCE RAZOR Alliance
0
|
Posted - 2012.09.03 15:06:00 -
[110] - Quote
Add me to the list. System freezes (not BSOD) only while playing Eve. Dual-clients or opening the map tends to make it worse.
ATI7970 Graphics Card P7P55D MoBo
CCP can you update us on any theories or avenues you are taking to help troubleshoot? |
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
638
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Posted - 2012.09.03 23:17:00 -
[111] - Quote
Bug report submitted, lots of screenies, server logs, DxDiags, the whole bit...Will it ever be looked at?
Fix this, FFS
E:
It's not just ATI cards, or the admitted age of my hardware either, and as far as I know, not a driver issue. It's only started since patch 1.2.6.
Code-optimisation, we can has, pls? Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Andromeda Cesaille
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.09.04 11:51:00 -
[112] - Quote
Still impossible to play with 7xxx cards, it has been quite a few months now... |
Erebus Adrastos
ZERO T0LERANCE RAZOR Alliance
0
|
Posted - 2012.09.04 14:34:00 -
[113] - Quote
This is NOT a fix, but I went into CCC and underclocked my card to 880 Mhz and used EVE's optimize settings set to Performance and so far no freezes.
As said, this is NOT a fix, but a possible work-around. I really hope this gets fixed soon... I miss the missile effects. |
Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.09.06 11:09:00 -
[114] - Quote
Erebus Adrastos wrote:This is NOT a fix, but I went into CCC and underclocked my card to 880 Mhz and used EVE's optimize settings set to Performance and so far no freezes.
As said, this is NOT a fix, but a possible work-around. I really hope this gets fixed soon... I miss the missile effects.
It might actually be the minimal settings fixing it, My 9750's default Is 810Mhz. |
Prothnim
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.08 23:21:00 -
[115] - Quote
I received a reply to a petition from GM Retrofire that I lodged a couple of days ago suggesting the I try the following;
Reset the 3D settings in the Catalyst Control Panel to default: No change Change the Preset Interval setting in EVE to default: No change Lower the Anti Aliasing settings in EVE: Success!
Lowering the AA made no difference, but disabling it did and my wingie (with the exact same hardware) and I have run for 2 days straight now with no crashes... Jaggy edges are ugly and doing my head in, but EVE seems to be stable without AA on, so I'll live with it for now. As long as we're not going into combat though, we can both happily run AA on the high settings without issues.
So thanks for the fix, but please help us make EVE as pretty as she can be CCP, good luck to the other ATI/AMD users
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Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.09 15:45:00 -
[116] - Quote
Prothnim wrote:I received a reply to a petition from GM Retrofire that I lodged a couple of days ago suggesting the I try the following;
Reset the 3D settings in the Catalyst Control Panel to default: No change Change the Preset Interval setting in EVE to default: No change Lower the Anti Aliasing settings in EVE: Success!
Lowering the AA made no difference, but disabling it did and my wingie (with the exact same hardware) and I have run for 2 days straight now with no crashes... Jaggy edges are ugly and doing my head in, but EVE seems to be stable without AA on, so I'll live with it for now. As long as we're not going into combat though, we can both happily run AA on the high settings without issues.
So thanks for the fix, but please help us make EVE as pretty as she can be CCP, good luck to the other ATI/AMD users
Doesn't work for me unfortunately (AA was already disabled).
Trying now with Interval default...
do you have a newer cpu socket or an older model? afaik this particular issue only happens with older sockets (i.e. I have an i7 920 @ 2.67GHZ)...
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Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1742
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Posted - 2012.09.10 11:40:00 -
[117] - Quote
*lol* ATI drivers suck bigtime. Always have and it seems they always will. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.10 19:04:00 -
[118] - Quote
Baitrix wrote:Prothnim wrote:I received a reply to a petition from GM Retrofire that I lodged a couple of days ago suggesting the I try the following;
Reset the 3D settings in the Catalyst Control Panel to default: No change Change the Preset Interval setting in EVE to default: No change Lower the Anti Aliasing settings in EVE: Success!
Lowering the AA made no difference, but disabling it did and my wingie (with the exact same hardware) and I have run for 2 days straight now with no crashes... Jaggy edges are ugly and doing my head in, but EVE seems to be stable without AA on, so I'll live with it for now. As long as we're not going into combat though, we can both happily run AA on the high settings without issues.
So thanks for the fix, but please help us make EVE as pretty as she can be CCP, good luck to the other ATI/AMD users
Doesn't work for me unfortunately (AA was already disabled). Trying now with Interval default... do you have a newer cpu socket or an older model? afaik this particular issue only happens with older sockets (i.e. I have an i7 920 @ 2.67GHZ)... no success, crashed again after 5 mins of running 3 clients... lowest settings etc.... ******* pathetic.... wow is working fine.... i wish it were the other way around...
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Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.09.11 05:40:00 -
[119] - Quote
Baitrix wrote:[quote=Prothnim] do you have a newer cpu socket or an older model? afaik this particular issue only happens with older sockets (i.e. I have an i7 920 @ 2.67GHZ)...
i7-3820 @ 3.60GHZ
Its not just old ones. |
Prothnim
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.11 11:20:00 -
[120] - Quote
Baitrix wrote:Doesn't work for me unfortunately (AA was already disabled).
Trying now with Interval default...
do you have a newer cpu socket or an older model? afaik this particular issue only happens with older sockets (i.e. I have an i7 920 @ 2.67GHZ)...
I have an intel i7 9390K in a socket 2011 board
|
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Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.09.14 01:51:00 -
[121] - Quote
Srsly F'ing Fix this already i cant even rat... why am i even paying for this game if i cant play it.... |
Grimsha Chieve
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.09.14 07:54:00 -
[122] - Quote
Kha Belenth wrote:Srsly F'ing Fix this already i cant even rat... why am i even paying for this game if i cant play it.... Im just going to let my sub run out, and not bother resubbing |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.15 19:39:00 -
[123] - Quote
cancelled the sub on my accounts as well, let's see if ccp actually cares at all... |
Rain6638
Team Evil
0
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Posted - 2012.09.17 06:04:00 -
[124] - Quote
Devs-
the game crashes as soon as 3d elements are loaded in the login screen--the planet with the astroids. The computer goes to a black screen and no inputs are responsive. the in-game error reporting tool is not a viable option.
Motherboard: Asus Crossfire V Formula CPU: AMD fx8120 black edition RAM: 32GB Corsair Vengeance OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 8 release preview (both EVE-unstable) Video: Asus HD7970 3GB GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 (HD7970-DC2T-3GD5) Disk Drive: Intel 330 series 120GB SSD x2 in RAID 0 PSU: Corsair AX850 Also a 1300W pure sine wave UPS *just* to deliver stable voltage...
I built ^ that system in the last week to run my newest (fourth) account/character.
can I send you my computer so you have a rig that can reproduce this problem? all I'm doing is waiting anyway, and using my old computer to update skill queue.
can we have a more specific status on the progress of this fix, something that sounds human and not the standard 'it's being looked into'
Thanks |
Fay Sagan
ApplePieFromScratch
0
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Posted - 2012.09.17 16:56:00 -
[125] - Quote
I'm in the same boat
7970 random system freezes.
Someone mentioned an EnableUlps fix but that does not fix this problem. |
Lili Lu
432
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Posted - 2012.09.18 00:24:00 -
[126] - Quote
I posted this in the freezing problems with nvidia thread on this subforum. I hope something in this is transferrable to you folks with ATI cards and drivers -
OMG eve is beautiful again and not a giant frustration. Well, at long last I seem to have fixed my eve problem.
I think there is something with eve that wasn't getting along with the drivers and may have somehow corrupted them. But my laptop never encountered the problem, while my desktop did. I have no idea what it was that I did with eve on my desktop that I haven't done with my laptop (other than eve-voice, or ui scaling, or ts overlay). Whatever it was, though it fubared something with the driver. Even when I would download a new driver the problem would remain and even get worse.
Somehow in trying to update drivers since the problems started, I recently disabled my drivers.
So what I did with the latest driver update, 306.23, was I downloaded it to desktop. Then I shut down the computer and disconnected power cord.
Then I disconnected the power cable to the video card and unseated the card from the motherboard. Then reseated it and reconnected the power cable.
After bootup, I went to programs and features and uninstalled everything nvidea. One program would not unstall until after I restarted (again).
So then after restart, since I had already downloaded the new driver to desktop, I double clicked the nvidia driver version 306.23 to install it, and checked advanced option and then checked "do a clean install." It then installed the new drivers.
Whatever driver settings that may have been sitting in the system and had been fubarred by whatever eve settings or something I had done in or with eve must have either been cleaned out or overwritten with the reinstallation of the card and clean install of the driver. My desktop is happily running eve again as it used to.
I suggest folks that are not using nvidia try a similar method with their ATI drivers. Hopefully they have the ability to disable their drivers, unseat and reinstall their video card, do a clean install on their new driver.
I am quite reticent to mess with any display settings I currently have in eve and won't be using eve voice again or ts overlay or changing the ui scaling for fear that something with changing eve features or an addon voice display from ts can lead to some driver and card problem. If the freezing problem starts to occur again though I won't just ignore it at first if it is minor but take it as a warning that it could get worse and try to report what occurred just prior to the first event, in the hope that it helps CCP pinpoint what might be at the root of these freezing problems.
I hope this help others that have been having problems. o7 |
Rain6638
Team Evil
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 05:00:00 -
[127] - Quote
a few years ago, when I purchased my first Eyefinity card (5770) and triple monitors... there was a trick that involved opening a flash movie in a web browser--it would kick the card into 3D mode and hold it there for a smoother transition to a game client
and then it was fixed via drivers.
the ramp-up with this method from 2D to 3D was just ... gentler than opening a game straight from 2D desktop environment.
CS:Source does something similar with the valve logo video, server search screen, and finally full 3D client. in comparison, EVE has a planet and asteroids render right at the login screen. I think it's a system shock.
however, It should be stressed that video crashes are NOT exclusive to EVE.
7xxx series is getting a little long in the tooth now, but my timer is somewhat later, since... I'm kinda committed to the ASUS version with Eyefinity6 support.
I'm thinking it's a waiting game for 100% uptime reliability. meanwhile... raging on the trusty old rig. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
415
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Posted - 2012.09.18 10:47:00 -
[128] - Quote
yeah, ATIs lock up system at different occassions, not only eve. Rage at ATI, not at CCP. |
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CCP Konflikt
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
174
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:13:00 -
[129] - Quote
Hi, let me say I share your concern with this issue as I am one of the people in CCP who have a AMD HD 7850, this has lost me ships on TQ and also lost some of the code I've been working on. It's very frustrating and I wholly understand, from experience, this is a serious issue. We have done some investigation into the issue and noticed that the problem is not specific to Eve but is an issue with this series of AMD GPUs as a whole. I would recommend that you let AMD know about your user pain at their driver survey site here: http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D20B2F3EBF I'm apologize that that this doesn't immediately solve this issue, but this is something that AMD has to address and be shown the severity of. CCP Konflikt Technical QA Tester Team Trilambda |
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Nexeos
Black Sun Brethren Paradigm Defence
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 18:23:00 -
[130] - Quote
My system has had perfect stability in every game I've played except for EVE; just got back into it a few weeks ago. Had no problems for first week, then I'd get 5+ system hangs (completely unresponsive to anything but hold power for 4s) in a day, then it'd be fine for a few days. Then started using the map and guaranteed hang within a minute. Was only using 1 client
I played with EVE quality settings, checked Windows error logs and uninstalled antivirus and all Catalyst extras except for display driver itself and nothing helped until..
Solved!!! Unchecked 'Resource Cache Enabled' and set 'Fixed Window' instead of 'Fullscreen'. I now run 2 clients at max quality settings and have no issues.
Hope this works for others out there as well
ASUS Sabertooth X79 Intel Core i7-3820 32GB Corsair Vengeance LP ASUS Radeon 7970
PS. I haven't gotten around to reinstalling Catalyst yet but considering problem persisted after it's removal, I doubt reinstallation will hurt EVE. |
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Rain6638
Team Evil
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:10:00 -
[131] - Quote
hey.
AMD Catalyst 9.001 Beta drivers September 4 http://benchmark3d.com/amd-catalyst-9-001-september-4 |
Rain6639
Team Evil
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 05:58:00 -
[132] - Quote
also make sure if you're running Windows 7: that you've applied SP1
that and the beta drivers have run solid for a day now.
this thread on overclock.net has a good list of driver tools. the uninstaller is insane... must use. http://www.overclock.net/t/1196856/official-amd-radeon-hd-7950-7970-owners-thread |
Rain6637
Team Evil
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 09:29:00 -
[133] - Quote
i've rediscovered all the fun things i did without eve. I might take this time to get some solid skill queue time in... clean up the messy lvl3's and 4-trained ones |
Pigeonholed
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 17:04:00 -
[134] - Quote
Tried the beta drivers, tried the resource cache fix. Still get a lovely hard lock upon hitting F10 for that lovely starmap. I already submitted my info to AMD...I really hope they come out with some sort of a fix. I'd hate to think I wasted $500 on a 7970 only to find out that it just doesen't play well with my I7 920.
Anyways, not like I've been doing much except skill training this last year anyways, but it'd sure be nice to be able play if I did want to! |
Rain6637
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 17:37:00 -
[135] - Quote
about that star map... and docking, and jumping through gates, and starting the login screen-- they're all complete graphics changes
it might be causing the card to throttle itself to 2D mode or back to 3D mode and this is too much of a jump for the drivers and their control of the voltage
one thing I still do is stagger my clients between login screen, character selection, and in-game... so that at least one of my clients is holding the card at 3D clocks/speeds...
if login and in-game are 3D, and character selection is 2D... I never let the card drop completely out of 3D..... |
Rain6636
Team Evil
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 07:35:00 -
[136] - Quote
I got it.
take a fat screenshot in-game then set it as the desktop background.
100% uptime EVE client. |
Saber Coombs
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:11:00 -
[137] - Quote
CCP Konflikt wrote: We have done some investigation into the issue and noticed that the problem is not specific to Eve but is an issue with this series of AMD GPUs as a whole.
Then I assume you know roughly where the problem lies. Any advice on what graphical settings to use to avoid or minimize the problem?
Are you having ongoing discussions with AMD about this? Anything particular we can refer to when reporting this to AMD? System crash is a bit vague. |
Kha Belenth
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.09.21 19:55:00 -
[138] - Quote
Yea im not waiting for AMD to fix the problem, i just orderd a nvidia card and im going to sell the AMD junk. It sucks i had to buy a new card but this has been going on for a while now and i dont feel like playing that back and forth game of hoping for each new driver works. |
Rain6636
Team Evil
0
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Posted - 2012.09.22 03:55:00 -
[139] - Quote
i'm sending mine back to tigerdirect for the MSI version of the 7970 with Eyefinity 6.
I have my old 5770 in right now for stability reasons, and 3 screens on low res is making me a sad bear.
#firstworldproblems |
Iron Drake
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.27 13:05:00 -
[140] - Quote
I have the same problem. Tried everything mention in this thread, nothing worked .
My question: Is there any configurations with ATI 7XXX and Intel CPU with max details working ? If yes, I will give a BIOS upgrade a try... If no, we have to wait for CCP and ATI or throw the ATI boards in a waste disposal unit.
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digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
97
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Posted - 2012.09.27 15:46:00 -
[141] - Quote
CCP Solomon wrote:Hello, We are trying to collect as much information as we can to determine if this is a driver issue. The most effective way of getting this information to us is to file a bug report using the in-game tool, this can be accessed by pressing F12. The in-game bug reporting tool will collect the following information automatically and send it to us with your bug report:
- DXDiag file
- prefs.ini
- screenshots
- logs.txt containing last 1000 lines of in-memory logs from notice and higher.
- methodcalls.txt containing all calls made to the server since the client started
- processHealth.txt containing cpu, memory and network info in 5 second buckets
- settings.yaml containing all your user, public and character settings
If you are unable to use the in-game tool, you can submit issues through the bugs website, but you will need to manually create a DxDiag file yourself and attach it to the web form. Please use the title field to describe the issue, include your graphics card if you believe it is related. You can also use the fields within the bug report tool to describe the reproduction steps that most reliably make your game crash. There is an excellent page on bug reporting at the EVE Wiki. The more of these reports we can get, the easier it is to pattern match and the more effective our case for change will be. As others in the thread have mentioned, you can try rolling back your drivers in the interim to see if the issue is no longer present. Thanks for your continued patience.
I'm doubting it's the driver since i've been having this lockup problem for the last several driver sets, and to make it worse, the game used to work in eyefinity and now it doesn't even start that way with the last 3~4 driver sets i've ran in the last few months....The whole system has been reformatted and everything is installed fresh with the lastest patches and updates, and AMD drivers released yesterday and the problem is still there.
System runs great with any other game and application for hours on end, so i doubt it's a hardware fault and i've tried every possible setting in game and in the driver control panel, and i can make the game play a little longer depending on settings, but never more than 90 mins before full system lockup....Can't even bring up task manager
System is a quad HD7970 setup using 3 27" displays( native 2560*1440 resolution each), on an EVGA SR-2 motherboard and using a pair of 6 core Xeon's (X5650's), with everything being water cooled:
http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx298/Superfly101_02/P1030522.jpg http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx298/Superfly101_02/P1030517.jpg http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx298/Superfly101_02/P1030514.jpg http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx298/Superfly101_02/P1030513.jpg
Yes, the last picture shows 2 power supplies....A pair of corsair AX1200 watt PSU's in fact... |
digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
97
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Posted - 2012.09.27 18:17:00 -
[142] - Quote
I think i may have found the issue.....The HDR setting and it has to be turned off.
I also play with the resource cache feature enabled, and all other settings to max levels and for the first time, played a 2 hour session with no lockups though still on a single screen.....I have yet to try 3 screens in eyefinity with the HDR setting off. |
Fay Sagan
ApplePieFromScratch
0
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Posted - 2012.09.27 20:07:00 -
[143] - Quote
Nah, Disabling HDR does not fix the problem. I can still only play one client on one screen. |
digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
97
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Posted - 2012.09.28 00:59:00 -
[144] - Quote
Fay Sagan wrote:Nah, Disabling HDR does not fix the problem. I can still only play one client on one screen.
I only use 1 client so i can't speak for those that run more than 1.
However, i tried eyefinity and it was good for about 10 mins until it locked up yet again, so i'm back to playing eve on a single screen, but at least it's stable for me this way, as long as HDR is disabled and even with quad crossfire enabled, wich is complete and total overkill for a single screen and eve... |
Uwara
The Ares project
6
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Posted - 2012.09.28 10:44:00 -
[145] - Quote
This is pure pornography.... What case is that btw? On another note, I was joking another day with a buddy about SR-2. When the prices drop, i am gonna buy one from e-bay and frame it on the wall like a picture. (Couse i doubt i am gonna be able to afford Xeon x2 anytime soon)
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digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
97
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:15:00 -
[146] - Quote
Uwara wrote:This is pure pornography.... What case is that btw? On another note, I was joking another day with a buddy about SR-2. When the prices drop, i am gonna buy one from e-bay and frame it on the wall like a picture. (Couse i doubt i am gonna be able to afford Xeon x2 anytime soon)
XSPC cube case....Here's the link
http://www.xs-pc.com/products/cases/h1-cube-case-10pci/
It's one of the few cases that can fit the SR-2 along with 5 radiators, 4 pumps running off twin seperate loops( GPU loop and CPU loop), along with 2 power supplies and a grand total of 20 fans, using 3 fan controlers...It is physically impossible for this system to overheat, even in the warmest summer days and the system is heavily overclocked of course....GPU's at 1200Mhz( stock is 925), and Xeon chips humming along nicely at 4 Ghz even( stock at 2.66 Ghz).
GPU's never exceed 55*C, and CPU's stay at the 50*C, both under maximum load wich is considerably less than the usual 80*C+ they can hit, especially when overclocked, and yes i'm proud to say i put it all together myself....
Here's another pic of the inside:
http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx298/Superfly101_02/P1030506.jpg
And the cards with the blocks installed:
http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx298/Superfly101_02/P1030457.jpg |
digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
97
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:44:00 -
[147] - Quote
Going back to the topic, i still do get lockups when opening the map, so disabling the HDR setting does nothing there.
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Avuthless
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:03:00 -
[148] - Quote
Hello everyone.
I will share my knowledge here too.
I run EVE on PC and Mac. And results i get are these:
Mac (i5 MacBook Pro with intel lame graphics) : Game runs quite okay, although i did get two full system freezes in one week of playing (had to hard reset).
PC (Old school Nvidia EN9800GT video card (1gb vram), Athlon 64 X2 6000+, 4GB ram one monitor, one client) : Crashes with BSOD, crashes to desktop, and freezes up for 2-4mins with no crash every 30-60 mins. One of these three always happen. And i tried beta drivers, newest drivers, old drivers i had (2yrs old), repairing EVE, reinstalling EVE, running EVE safe mode, all setting configurations, forced disable/enable video card AA, anything i could think of. Nothing helps and i still get these crashes every 30-60 mins. (If game gets more intense like battle, the crash can appear sooner, but if i fly or try doing nothing - game lasts longer).
Seen some fixes like disabling audio, disabling HDR, disabling AA, installing new flash (one of more crazy ones), installing specific drivers, reinstalling DirectX, updating all drivers and etc. Done everything, but nothing helped. |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:39:00 -
[149] - Quote
Catalyst BETA 1.9 do NOT solve the issue either, actually I think it might be worse than 1.8 (this is without opening the map, ever). |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.02 19:33:00 -
[150] - Quote
fix this now ccp! |
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Avuthless
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.10.02 22:50:00 -
[151] - Quote
I tried analyzing this issue and this is what i found. I did fix crashes for myself so this is a bit of a FIX.
It seems that EVE manages to get CPU to very high temperatures. Its not that CPU usage is high, just the CPU itself gets great amount of heat while running EVE. With "AMD cool 'n' quiet" software i was able to monitor CPU temperature and it always exceeded 85C and i always was getting a warning beeps until 90C when crash appeared. I tried shutting down all details and effects, lower clock and power to CPU and increase fan speed, it all helped but just a bit. Then i tried doing something more drastic and i pulled everything out of my PC and then vacuumed all dust from CPU radiator, video card and overall every corner.
The result: I was able to play the game for 5 hours without any lag, any hang ups, crashes or BSOD's. Although i did play everything on lowest details, i will try increasing settings to max tomorrow.
As for now: CCP - the issue for me was extraordinary CPU temperatures, so it may be because of some heavy usage of some CPU features or just some wasteful algorithms (although that should increase CPU load which doesn't seem to be the case).
Hope i manage to help anyone of you guys there. |
Saber Coombs
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
0
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Posted - 2012.10.03 12:54:00 -
[152] - Quote
The issue dicsussed in this thread is not an overheat issue, it's a bug in either the AMD drivers or the EVE client. CCP seems to claim the problem is on the AMD end, and I have a fair guess what AMD's stance is... |
mramo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:17:00 -
[153] - Quote
I recently got an Asus 7970 and I have the same freeze problem. Usually the problem occurs randomly. However, I can reproduce it by opening / closing the star map simultaneously on 4 or more accounts while also undocking / docking a ship. The computer will freeze in less than a minute if I do that.
My System: Windows 7 64bit Asus 7970 Intel i7-3820 MSI X79A-GD45(8D) Mainboard 4x8GB G.Skill DDR-1600 Samsung 830 256GB SSD Western Digital 500GB HDD Enermax Revolution 87+ 850Watt power supply
I replaced the graphics card with a 2 year old ATI 5870. I tested the star map on 7 accounts simultaneously for 1 hour. The computer didnGÇÖt freeze.
I bought the 7970 graphics card mostly for EVE and IGÇÖm seriously pissed that EVE apparently doesnGÇÖt support it. I hope CCP will fix this soon or at least intensely talk to AMD about it.
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Avuthless
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.10.04 15:34:00 -
[154] - Quote
Saber Coombs wrote:The issue dicsussed in this thread is not an overheat issue, it's a bug in either the AMD drivers or the EVE client. CCP seems to claim the problem is on the AMD end, and I have a fair guess what AMD's stance is...
I agree with you, although my nVidia graphics card was also crashing constantly. So this issue is wider than just for ATI cards. |
RTouris Jovakko
Better Red Than Dead
0
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Posted - 2012.10.06 16:01:00 -
[155] - Quote
FWIW i experience the same kind of system freezes and complete hangs on a 2006 MacBookPro with a discrete Radeon X1600 graphics card...The thing that amuses me most is that we all know by now that EVE runs in virtualisation on the Mac platform under Cider / Wine, still it manages to take the whole system down quite easily especially while accessing the Map. Go figure...
AMD / ATi FTW!! |
Talduncan
Maynard Solutions POD-SQUAD
3
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:34:00 -
[156] - Quote
I have been playing eve for while now and decided to pick up a couple extra accounts. I started with one and eventually had four accounts on two monitors on a 5xxx series AMD card. Then I got an AMD 7850 card so I can play on a third monitor. Within one hour after plugging in the new video card, it crashed as I did a search for people and palces (not very graphic intensive). I knew immediatly that I was going to have future issues since it was my first freeze and it was right after a new card went in. I then reformatted the PC and reinstalled windows 7 just incase it was my PC with a ton of driver issues. I installed Windows, my video card drivers, and eve... nothing else (plus windows automatic updates). My PC still froze playing eve on two monitors. Over the next week, I continued to have system freezes (no sound, no alt tab, no nothing). It occured during pulling up the map or sometimes doing a search for people and places.
I am returning the card today with a 20% hit because I opened the box.
One of the things that I expect from a company that takes money for a serivice is to provide support... support would also include working with ATI to resolve this issue and not play the blame game while thier customers suffer.
Now that my old video card works perfectly on two monitors, can someone tell me what video card does work with eve on three monitors? I plan on ordering it ASAP. Thanks.
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Kilatu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.08 05:18:00 -
[157] - Quote
Just had this start happening today, I jump to a site and start clearing and maybe 2-3 minutes if that my system locks up, goes to a black screen and the inputs stop working. It just started this today out of the blue and it's not effecting any other games(tried GW2, Tribes, Minecraft, Aion). Running a HD4850, It'd be nice to know whats causing this. |
Rain6636
Team Evil
0
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Posted - 2012.10.09 07:26:00 -
[158] - Quote
I have a feeling it just needs to be replaced.
i've since replaced the ASUS HD7970 (DC2T) with one from Newegg, and used their will-call to pick up in person. this helps if there are issues in the future. the new card works great.
I was almost a week out from the 30-day cutoff through tigerdirect, but they have accepted the return and i'm waiting on the refund.
no fault on tigerdirect's part. or CCP. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
444
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:42:00 -
[159] - Quote
Baitrix wrote:fix this now ccp!
are you dumb? Still havent got its a driver issue and not eve's? Computers freezing in other occasions too, not just eve. |
digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
98
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Posted - 2012.10.09 19:14:00 -
[160] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:Baitrix wrote:fix this now ccp! are you dumb? Still havent got its a driver issue and not eve's? Computers freezing in other occasions too, not just eve. Saber Coombs wrote:The issue dicsussed in this thread is not an overheat issue, it's a bug in either the AMD drivers or the EVE client. CCP seems to claim the problem is on the AMD end, and I have a fair guess what AMD's stance is... their stance can be whatever, fact is THEIR hardware is locking up in some occasions not just for eve, so if its not the hardware iteself which is broken then there is last only possible instance to be blamed - hardware driver. Beyond that its never responsibility of application software to ensure hardware stability nowadays, its already for decades this way since microsoft and OpenGL finally established hardware abstraction layers. Get that finally, learn that its basics.
This i don't agree with, simply because if drivers were perfect there wouldn't never be a need for driver updates at all, yet every couple of months here comes a new driver that sorts out stability issues, performance issues and in some cases even visual anomalies, or issues with specific features working properly that are supported in hardware.
Drivers are always busted somehow and the perfect driver that works with every possible hardware configuration and every possible piece of software will never exist, period. |
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
444
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Posted - 2012.10.09 19:58:00 -
[161] - Quote
digitalwanderer wrote:Drivers are always busted somehow and the perfect driver that works with every possible hardware configuration and every possible piece of software will never exist, period.
and its still the responsibility of the vendor to ensure drivers stability, noone else |
digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
98
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Posted - 2012.10.09 23:35:00 -
[162] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:digitalwanderer wrote:Drivers are always busted somehow and the perfect driver that works with every possible hardware configuration and every possible piece of software will never exist, period. and its still the responsibility of the vendor to ensure drivers stability, noone else
Given the amount and variety of software out there, that's easier said than done, and to be quie honest, Nvidia also releases regular driver updates but go on their forums and you'll see plenty of complaints depending on the application being run too.
There's thousands of applications out there, and it would take a enourmous amount of people just working on drivers to make sure all of them work as they should. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
258
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Posted - 2012.10.10 12:43:00 -
[163] - Quote
Just to weigh in on this, I've got a 6870 running the latest drivers on Windows 7 - 64bit edition.
I regularly run 3 clients without any problems, but I've not tried to use the map screen whilst doing thing. I'll test that when I can. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.10 20:43:00 -
[164] - Quote
Same issue here. Complete system hang together with Hd 7970 (had no issues with 4890 crossfire before). Though, I can't only blame ATI on this one as none of my other games neither crash nor lock up the whole system. Anyway, that's ***ing ridiculous that there's obviously still no fix for this problem yet. |
Mad B0mber
Novaku Inc Rebel Alliance of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2012.10.11 06:09:00 -
[165] - Quote
Same issue for me
7970 single card
other games i play work fine
Eve is the only game that locks up completely.. out of the various games i play
ran tests, disabled and re enabled various settings..
all fail. freeze is unrecoverable.
tried to log the error with no luck..
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Saber Coombs
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
0
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Posted - 2012.10.11 07:54:00 -
[166] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:
and its still the responsibility of the vendor to ensure drivers stability, noone else
And it's the game developers responsibility to use the drivers in a correct way.
Regardless of exactly where the problem lies, it was introduced after a patch by CCP. They broke their own game which means they have the ability to fix it or come up with a workaround, they choose not to. What they do is throw their hands in the air and blame AMD, and I find that extremely unprofessional. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
444
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Posted - 2012.10.11 12:48:00 -
[167] - Quote
Teh Minez0r wrote:I can't only blame ATI on this one as none of my other games neither crash nor lock up the whole system.
Mad B0mber wrote:other games i play work fine
then you're lucky you dont play games which DO lock up with ATIs. Fact is its is NOT only eve having issues. Had lockups with Tribes Ascend too, so its at least another one.
Teh Minez0r wrote: Anyway, that's ***ing ridiculous that there's obviously still no fix for this problem yet.
yep, blame ATI
Saber Coombs wrote: And it's the game developers responsibility to use the drivers in a correct way.
got stuck in time in 1992? Software isnt programmed for specific drivers anymore for decades. Games dont "use" drivers directly, its the operating system and HAL which interacts with drivers. You're welcome in 2012. |
Saber Coombs
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
1
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Posted - 2012.10.11 14:36:00 -
[168] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:Bla, bla, bla
The game was working fine, CCP released a patch, game stopped working. You arguing technical details is just silly. |
Mad B0mber
Novaku Inc Rebel Alliance of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2012.10.11 17:09:00 -
[169] - Quote
So i rolled back my Ati video drivers to 12.4 from my manufacturer Gigabyte for my 7970 and so far so good.. though too soon to tell..
will update this if all goes well.. or doesn't go well
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.12 01:47:00 -
[170] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:Teh Minez0r wrote:I can't only blame ATI on this one as none of my other games neither crash nor lock up the whole system. Mad B0mber wrote:other games i play work fine then you're lucky you dont play games which DO lock up with ATIs. Fact is its is NOT only eve having issues. Had lockups with Tribes Ascend too, so its at least another one. [quote=Teh Minez0r] Anyway, that's ***ing ridiculous that there's obviously still no fix for this problem yet. yep, blame ATI
Nope. Since CCP and Blizzard (WoW) use their own engine, I won't blame AMD for this cuz obviously the engines break the systems and not the driver. And I got like 200 games on steam, tested with around 50 and there's no problem with any of it. |
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Mad B0mber
Novaku Inc Rebel Alliance of New Eden
1
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Posted - 2012.10.12 05:59:00 -
[171] - Quote
Mad B0mber wrote:So i rolled back my Ati video drivers to 12.4 from my manufacturer Gigabyte for my 7970 and so far so good.. though too soon to tell..
will update this if all goes well.. or doesn't go well
But the whole problem originally started with an Eve update.. not a video card drivers update
nope rolling back to 12.4 CCC drivers was of no use.. still full lockup..
well time to play every other game that i have that works well without crashing on my 7970..
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:15:00 -
[172] - Quote
Interesting post here on tera-europe forums:
Quote:The problem with the 7970 card total lockup, only happen on an i7 socket 1366 or 2011 system, 1156 and 1155 is fine. When it happen the VDDC voltage on the GPU drop to 0,5V and it freeze, when testing with an Radeon 6970 the VDDC never drop when playing. And when testing the 7970 card on an AM3 Phenom system, there is no issues and the VDDC is stable as well. There is not any log or anything when this happen, as the system total lockup. I have not tested 12.6 beta and 12.7 beta so don't know if they work.
I'am not using the card anymore, but I was able to replicate the problem in other games as well. Shogun Total War 2 was the best at crashing, with high setting it only last 5-10 sec before total lockup. I got my money back for my Radeon 7970 card, so can't do any testing on it anymore, the shop I bought it from was able to replicate the crash, with 3 Radeon 7970 of different brand and on both a Asus and Gigabyte socket 2011 motherboard. source: https://forum.tera-europe.com/showthread.php?t=72574&page=8
There's also a solution posted, though I can't try it atm since I wiped eve of the hdd for a reinstallation:
Quote:Hey guys I have been playing TERA for 2 days and I had the same problem about random pc black out = "crash" not to desktop crash but PC crash that only hard reboot work... so I tried all the methods that was posted about updating drivers and etc..also tried the visual memory method but nothing solved the problem.
Now my solution is simple It may look stupid but It's really gonna work for these symptoms..
1- Start - control panel 2- Hardware and sound 3-Power options 4-Balanced - change plan settings 5- Put "turn off the display" to NEVER and "put the computer to sleep" to NEVER.and don't forget to save changes.
that's it ... enjoy source: https://forum.tera-europe.com/showthread.php?t=115675 |
Pigeonholed
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:56:00 -
[173] - Quote
@Teh Minez0r
I was aware of this attempted fix and it does not work for my machine. I am one of the 7970 users and I have the unfortunately i7 920 CPU/socket combination.
For me...the easiest way to check to see if the issue is resolved is to open the star map. At BEST I've had about 5 seconds before my machine completely locks up and requires a hard reboot. Matter of fact I was theory crafting about not having sufficient power on my own, but the mentioned solution, to set "put computer to sleep: Never" does not work.
I'm still in a 'wait and see' mode to see if the newer set of drivers will address the issue. Honestly I'd just like to see AMD acknowledge that there is a serious issue, CCP already has and they're doing what they can on their side to see it addressed as well.
For the hell of it I've enabled Graphics OVerdrive in the catalyst CC and bumped the power control settings to 10% to see if that makes a difference. I'll edit the post to see if I get to reboot in a bit. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
445
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Posted - 2012.10.12 18:06:00 -
[174] - Quote
Saber Coombs wrote:The game was working fine, CCP released a patch, game stopped working. You arguing technical details is just silly. "I dont care about facts how things work, just want to rant"
Teh Minez0r wrote: Nope. Since CCP and Blizzard (WoW) use their own engine, I won't blame AMD for this cuz obviously the engines break the systems and not the driver. And I got like 200 games on steam, tested with around 50 and there's no problem with any of it.
yeah I tested like all of my 4375 games and at least half of them crashed with ATI. All legit.
Teh Minez0r wrote:Interesting post here on tera-europe forums: here we go. Its probably CCPs fault I guess other games freezing too in the same manner. You guys fail at understanding basics
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.13 08:36:00 -
[175] - Quote
Quote:I was aware of this attempted fix and it does not work for my machine. I am one of the 7970 users and I have the unfortunately i7 920 CPU/socket combination.
For me...the easiest way to check to see if the issue is resolved is to open the star map. At BEST I've had about 5 seconds before my machine completely locks up and requires a hard reboot. Matter of fact I was theory crafting about not having sufficient power on my own, but the mentioned solution, to set "put computer to sleep: Never" does not work.
I'm still in a 'wait and see' mode to see if the newer set of drivers will address the issue. Honestly I'd just like to see AMD acknowledge that there is a serious issue, CCP already has and they're doing what they can on their side to see it addressed as well.
For the hell of it I've enabled Graphics OVerdrive in the catalyst CC and bumped the power control settings to 10% to see if that makes a difference. I'll edit the post to see if I get to reboot in a bit.
Edit, 1105 AM CDT: Logged in, hit F10, map loaded in a second, tried to move the mouse and the hanging midi of doom struck. Complete system freeze requiring a reboot.
I've done the works, submitted issue to CCP and AMD per the links earlier in the thread and the in game bug report...all i can do is wait since I don't feel like dropping another 500 bucks on a top of the line Nvidia card atm.
Happy hunting to all those who can play the game! Same here, running the hd7970 on an asus p6t6 ws revolution working together with an i7 920 aswell. Will post later if anything changed but the 15 mins yesterday have been a success already for me.
Robert Caldera wrote:Saber Coombs wrote:The game was working fine, CCP released a patch, game stopped working. You arguing technical details is just silly. "I dont care about facts how things work, just want to rant" Teh Minez0r wrote: Nope. Since CCP and Blizzard (WoW) use their own engine, I won't blame AMD for this cuz obviously the engines break the systems and not the driver. And I got like 200 games on steam, tested with around 50 and there's no problem with any of it.
yeah I tested like all of my 4375 games and at least half of them crashed with ATI. All legit. Teh Minez0r wrote:Interesting post here on tera-europe forums: here we go. Its probably CCPs fault I guess other games freezing too in the same manner. You guys fail at understanding basics
The only one ranting is you. Dunno if u get paid by ccp or nvidia for crying "ati is ****, it's all ati's fault, don't buy it!", doesn't matter anyway. Prolly just keep of this thread as you aren't helpful but just trolling here. I've never written that I checked like 4k games, I told you what I know about the games I'm playing from time to time beside eve. And if you would at least read a post once completely, you'd have seen that I've pointed at the engines of the games. As ppl also complain about this problem without changing any drivers, this doesn't add up.
So, just try to help or troll another thread plox. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
445
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:35:00 -
[176] - Quote
Teh Minez0r wrote:I've never written that I checked like 4k games, I told you what I know about the games I'm playing from time to time beside eve from time to time. what the f**** does this prove?? My eve didnt crash for 5 hours playing when I didnt use the starmap (which is rarely needed in game anyways), then after 5hours or even longer PC freezed. So 50 games you play from times to times which arent crashing when you occasionally start and play them for 1h does mean fly sh*t in regards to the issuein question.
Simply understand the concept of how software is written today. There is application software, there is operating system including HAL , there are hardware drivers and in the end is the hardware itself. Application software developers dont give a f*ck about hardware its running on, because it doesnt need to know that. So even if CCP added something to their game which certain types of devices/drivers cant cope with, its not their deal.
ATI should fix the driver but they dont give a f*ck because you still buy their cr*p. |
Saber Coombs
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
1
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:56:00 -
[177] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:Saber Coombs wrote:The game was working fine, CCP released a patch, game stopped working. You arguing technical details is just silly. "I dont care about facts how things work, just want to rant"
Pretty funny, since you keep ignoring the most obvious fact. |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.13 15:47:00 -
[178] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:
ATI should fix the driver but they dont give a f*ck because you still buy their cr*p.
First of all - will you, by any chance, finally realize that it's AMD and not ATI? Dunno how often you mixed them yet but it's seriously not that hard...
And I still can't see that you have proven in any way that it's AMD's fault, could also be a **** up in Intel's chipset(s) (driver)... But - go on fanboy... |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
446
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Posted - 2012.10.14 11:02:00 -
[179] - Quote
Saber Coombs wrote:Pretty funny, since you keep ignoring the most obvious fact. what is the most obvious fact?
Teh Minez0r wrote: And I still can't see that you have proven in any way that it's AMD's fault, could also be a **** up in Intel's chipset(s) (driver)... But - go on fanboy...
yeah maybe its intels chipset drivers fault no idea, certainly its not CCPs fault. |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.14 16:17:00 -
[180] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:Teh Minez0r wrote: And I still can't see that you have proven in any way that it's AMD's fault, could also be a **** up in Intel's chipset(s) (driver)... But - go on fanboy...
yeah maybe its intels chipset drivers fault no idea, certainly its not CCPs fault. Though I'm wondering how the drivers work with earlier cards but not with the 7k series... I'd understand it if the 7k driver was only for this series, but it's for all from 5k series on. Doesn't make sense in my eyes. |
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Pigeonholed
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.14 23:56:00 -
[181] - Quote
Teh Minez0r wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:Teh Minez0r wrote: And I still can't see that you have proven in any way that it's AMD's fault, could also be a **** up in Intel's chipset(s) (driver)... But - go on fanboy...
yeah maybe its intels chipset drivers fault no idea, certainly its not CCPs fault. Though I'm wondering how the drivers work with earlier cards but not with the 7k series... I'd understand it if the 7k driver was only for this series, but it's for all from 5k series on. Doesn't make sense in my eyes.
FYI, my current rig, I had a pair of very dated 4xxx in a crossfire setup before I upgraded to the 7970 earlier this year. This same rig played nicely with eve...so I'm thinking it's something in the software/coding for the next (current?) gen cards. Still a damn shame though. And I've no intention of going back to those dated cards. Gotta play ps2 with all the pretties turned on after all. |
Rain6636
Team Evil
4
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:47:00 -
[182] - Quote
all morning all i've had is crashes when trying to go full screen mode. locks up my OS |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.16 20:20:00 -
[183] - Quote
Pigeonholed wrote: FYI, my current rig, I had a pair of very dated 4xxx in a crossfire setup before I upgraded to the 7970 earlier this year. This same rig played nicely with eve...so I'm thinking it's something in the software/coding for the next (current?) gen cards. Still a damn shame though. And I've no intention of going back to those dated cards. Gotta play ps2 with all the pretties turned on after all.
I've jumped from a 4890 crossfire to a single 7970. Also had no problems wit the crossfire setup but I can't see the point. From my understanding a driver doesn't act different because of another setup, besides you enable features that haven't been available on the older setup. Miracle... |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.23 08:39:00 -
[184] - Quote
New drivers are available (12.10 and 12.11beta):
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/radeonaiw_vista64.aspx |
mramo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.10.23 11:44:00 -
[185] - Quote
The 12.10 driver didn't fix the problem for me. The computer still freezes when using the star map. |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:39:00 -
[186] - Quote
mramo wrote:The 12.10 driver didn't fix the problem for me. The computer still freezes when using the star map. Well, I straight used the 12.11 beta, had no lockups for 30mins now (unthinkable with earlier drivers). Though, one of my last crashed ****** up my window settings ingame aswell, prolly it has to do with it aswell (god knows). Anyway, atm it's running with 12.11 beta with everything set to high ingame and "use app settings" in CCC. The AA-mode is set to adaptive AA with multi-sampling. |
mramo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.10.24 11:16:00 -
[187] - Quote
When using the star map on 3 or more accounts simultaneously it takes like 2 minutes for the computer to freeze. Using the star map on one account caused the computer to freeze after 10 minutes. I tested both, 12.10 and 12.11 driver. |
Pigeonholed
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.24 18:04:00 -
[188] - Quote
I just tried the 12.11 beta drivers linked a couple posts up, ran a reboot, launched Eve, hit F10, and right after the map loaded, BAM, another hardlock.
So no love for my own system. I'm starting to wonder if there's maybe something wrong with my rig that is causing issues above and beyond the obvious?
Is there anything in the game folder related to the star map that could be corrupted? Would blowing out the eve install and starting from scratch do anything? I had initally thought my HD was bad so I purchased a new SSD to try that theory out....same problem immediate system freeze.
I've already submitted the issue to AMD as a Dev suggested way up thread, Has AMD confirmed that they are working on the issue at all?
On a side note, I'm reluctant to throw away a 105+ Million skillpoint character...but I'm seriously considering just walking away and saving myself a bill when I can't enjoy the game. Not raging against CCP or anything, just stating a frustrating fact. |
Kraillach
The Circus Corp Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.10.24 21:49:00 -
[189] - Quote
@pigeonholed - i have tried 2 reinstall's and each time ive reinstalled eve iv tried different video card drivers (i run a saphire HD7850 ATI card) first set of drivers was the 12.11 beta and the other was a previous update from about a week ago and both to no avail.
im considering just getting an nvidia card as they seem to not be having this issue.
although i only get the issue while ratting or probing and in the eve log (ctrl + alt + shift + M) keeps showing that eve is failing to load models for ships and wrecks. one thing that is continually repeated is SVC:michelle - BALL NOT IN PARK???? no idea what that means.
im trying a few different drivers this arvo ill post when ive tried them.
it seems coincidental that the problems iv been having started after the eve patch from monday/tuesday night, before that no worries, all went fine, but i had a VC update around that time aswell..... |
digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
100
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Posted - 2012.10.25 02:54:00 -
[190] - Quote
Try running the game in windowed mode, but at the native resolution of your monitor, as it works fine that way for me since i installed these latest betas and haven't crashed since......They will lock up if playing in full screen mode for some reason, or with eyefinity enabled across 3 monitors, so the problem is still there. |
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Kraillach
The Circus Corp Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 03:16:00 -
[191] - Quote
@ digital - always in window mode homie, its the only way to go when running 3 clients on one 19" LCD screen
oh man i think i may know where my super fail is, had the comp hooked upto my 50" and i dont think iv changed the res back. so simple. (dont run eve on this as its a fail plasma).
will try and post results.
Thanks digital :) |
Pigeonholed
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 03:46:00 -
[192] - Quote
@ Digital & Kraillach. I was running in full screen, but that's due to only running one client. Good news! I launched Eve in windowed mode and the client DOESN"T HARD LOCK MY SYSTEM when I launch the star map! Halleulejah!
Also, I actually got a reply back from CCP on my bug report, they said it can't be duplicated?! The fact that I've duplicated the issue every time I've launched the client in Fullscreen kinda negates that.
That being said, this is acually a useful data point.
Hopefully it can help resolve the overarching issue, as for me personally, playing in windowed mode is a bandaid, not an actual fix.
Cheers all, and I'll update when I hear more on drivers or if I have another hard lock! |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 07:41:00 -
[193] - Quote
It's ridiculous random how this crash appears. You ppl got problems with the map, I ran into a single crash while using it (although I was trying to get one with zooming in/out, hovering and what not). Well, I had no crash for two hours now but after what you ppl say, I'm expecting to run into one or more again. Do you ppl use the flattened version of the map? Cause that's what I'm using myself.
My crashes always happend if shooting (getting shot didn't crash my sys for whatever reason) or used drones, so the thing about a models error Krailling posted would make sense.
@Pigeon It's hilarious that CCP can't reproduce this crash. It's quite easy - board/cpu with Intel 1366/2011 socket together with a card of the 7000 series can reproduce this afaik. |
Kraillach
The Circus Corp Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 21:47:00 -
[194] - Quote
ok tried digitals suggestion of changing it back to the natural res of the screen.... didnt help unfortunately.
i wiped all my graphics drivers and reinstalled the base ones that came with the card (turned off auto update) and ran the game.... again didnt help.
as a crazy last resort i wiped my comp and did a top to bottom full reinstall..... nothing again.
i can do anything except rat and pvp...... living in null sec thats all i do.
im just gonna save myself any more heart ache and just get an nvidia card.
ive got screenies of the error log that show what the problem is, ill upload em when i get home from work. |
digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
100
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Posted - 2012.10.26 03:11:00 -
[195] - Quote
I dunno, i haven't had a crash or lock up playing the game at 2560*1440 on a 27" display( samsung SA850's + 4 AMD HD7970's in quad crossfire), ever since i play in window mode with all in game options maxed out.....I crash and burn like the other people here as soon as i select fullscreen in the options. |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.26 21:50:00 -
[196] - Quote
tbh, I never got an error log, not even in the windows events. Just freezing puter and buzzing sound. Well, I got no crash anymore now with the latest beta drivers. Also, I didn't install the CAP profiles, prolly they ****** it up. |
Fay Sagan
ApplePieFromScratch
0
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Posted - 2012.10.28 16:43:00 -
[197] - Quote
I-¦ve been having freezes for months now. I've tried all fixes mentioned in this thread and a few more, with no joy. I have turned to playing my main on a desktop and an alt on my laptop, which went well for the past couple of weeks. However since yesterday I'm getting freezes while only running one client in windowed mode (less than 1920x1080). Once while using the map and another during a null plex.
Fogs getting worse again. |
mramo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.10.28 20:28:00 -
[198] - Quote
I tested the Asus HD 7970 graphic card in a 4 years old computer. It has an Intel quad core CPU and a PCIe 2.0 x16 graphic card slot. I tested 3 accounts with open star map for one hour. The computer didnGÇÖt freeze.
I also tested the graphic card in my new computer with Intel i7 3820 CPU. I used a PCIe 2.0 x16 slot with one active lane. I tested 3 accounts with open star map for one hour. The computer didnGÇÖt freeze. When using the PCIe 3.0 x16 slot the computer freezes after like 2 minutes. The 1-lane slot is heavily throttling the graphic card. Maybe thereby it somehow prevented the computer to freeze. Or maybe the problem is in fact related to the PCIe 3.0 slot.
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.29 10:04:00 -
[199] - Quote
Well, I crashed yday, so my hopes became destroyed. -.-
@mramo It's not the pcie 3 slots, I'm running it on a X58 board which got only pcie 2. The crashes appear on boards with X58 and X79 chipsets afaik. So this is either a Intel problem or an AMD thing since only those two chipsets together with cards of the 7000 series are affected. :) |
Warr Pigg
Origin. Black Legion.
7
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:15:00 -
[200] - Quote
anyone seen this behavior under windows 8 yet? |
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:03:00 -
[201] - Quote
Warr Pigg wrote:anyone seen this behavior under windows 8 yet? Not sure if it was here or on tera/total war forums (same problem there) but I think some1 metioned that there's no problem with win 8. Will give it a go next weekend though I hate dual booting and I didn't get win 8 running in VirtualBox together with 3D support.
Would also be interesting to know if there's any1 out there with the same setup not having this issue. |
Ishka A
Project X-Alpha
0
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Posted - 2012.10.31 12:00:00 -
[202] - Quote
I confirm the issue occurrs after upgrading to Wondows 8 Pro x64 with NVidia card:
Windows 8 x64 Pro Intel Core Quad Q8300 8GB RAM Asus P5QD turbo NVidia GTX 570 Both system and EVE disks are OCZ SSD.
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Bashius
Capital Gents Persona Non Gratis
0
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:22:00 -
[203] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote: then you're lucky you dont play games which DO lock up with ATIs. Fact is its is NOT only eve having issues. Had lockups with Tribes Ascend too, so its at least another one.
No issues with Tribes:ascend here. But I get the hardlockups with eve in windowed mode.. especially with multiple clients or a video playing in VLC (hardware accel off or on). Would love for CCP or AMD to address this. Gonna sell/exchange my 7870 before that happens I bet. |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.11.04 09:57:00 -
[204] - Quote
Wondering if any of you played with the "Effect" settings left side to the graphics settings. I played a bit around with it and as long as I keep "GPU particles" unchecked, I didn't get a crash for an hour now (not even while shooting, which usually means insta-crash for me). When I checked it again and opened the map, I got the sweet buzzing sound again... Could prolly any1 give this a go? |
xxxak
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
163
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Posted - 2012.11.05 07:08:00 -
[205] - Quote
CCP -- can we get an answer here about what is going on?
I just had my map F10 hard lock about 10 times in a row.
Makes it sorta hard to play the game. This was with two clients running. Win 7 64 bit, Intel i7 860, AMD 7970, 12.8 drivers. The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run. |
CoolSnaz
Industrial Nomads Brothers of Apocrypha.
0
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Posted - 2012.11.06 20:48:00 -
[206] - Quote
I got this screen freeze issue to. And too late did I spot this thread...my 7950 has been RMA'ed and is due to return with no fault found! |
Naxirian
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.11.07 09:48:00 -
[207] - Quote
Sorry if I have missed a post in this thread, but I wanted to ask. When you get this freeze, does the screen turn black, and you get a looping noise that sounds like a buzz? And then the only way to get control back is to hard-reset?
If so, I had the problem across multiple games on my MSI Twin Frozr III Radeon HD 7850 2GB OC Edition card. Specifically I had it when running an overclock. Even a tiny one of 50MHz core clock. I found that the drivers on the AMD website would cause any kind of overclock to cause crashes within the game, however when using the driver DVD supplied with the card itself (older drivers), the GPU will run fine and I can overclock it very far without any issues at all.
So.... if you have OC'd cards, try resetting the cards to the default they came shipped with, and try using the drivers supplied on the disc. It worked for me, may work for some of you. |
ra773
True Argons Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.11.07 12:49:00 -
[208] - Quote
Back again with a working solution.
as stated earlier i tried running a mac pro hexa core xeon with a xfx ati 7950. system performance was great but i got random freezings with eve under windows 7 and the mac client sucks forever. so i swaped back to my ati 5770 and everything worked gread under win 7 and still sucked in osx. so went to a nvidia 560gtx and it worked great under win7 but the performace is not great on a big screen like 2550 x1440 resolution.
i still got my ati 7950 idleing arround on my desk. so i gave it a last try. i bought a i3 a gigabyte z77 board 8gb ram and set up a fresh windows with most recent drivers. i tell you. i never had a frozen windows again. can run 4 eve clients with every deatail on with 30-60 feames synced or even one client without sync with 250frames on the big screen. no freezing at all for 2 weeks now and i played alot. only thing is on 4 clients my i3 is running on 80-100% so no match for my hexacore xeon which is pritty bored while i use the mac pro now for webwork and Pictures :)
at least its not only ati/ amd fault :) and i enjoy the great performance with reduced power using. as my 7950 and i3 are nice powersavers :) with great performance for the buck i spend. |
CoolSnaz
Industrial Nomads Brothers of Apocrypha.
0
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:16:00 -
[209] - Quote
Naxirian The fault just freezes the entire PC, as in the screen just gets stuck at whatever it is doing (including the mouse + Keyboard). I don't get black screen...and so far the only way I have found to recover is a Hard reset, even giving the PC 6+ hours to recover seems to be a waste of time.
Ra773 Is there not a solution that doesn't involve simply skipping over the issue, as your resolution suggests that the solution is a change in hardware? I am sure I speak for at least a few of us here in saying we spent good money hoping the 7xxx Series card would be a nice upgrade, to either switch to nVidia (costing yet more money) or swap out Mobo, CPU and maybe RAM.
So far this issue for me is ONLY affecting Eve Online, all my other games work perfectly. I RMAGÇÖed the GFX thinking the fault lied with that (as the fault occurred after upgrading from the 5970) only to have the supplier bench mark test it against some of the GFX intense games out there to be told it passed with flying colours. CCP should be looking into this issue more than AMD as they will lose prescriptions over this, I donGÇÖt want to stop playing but I canGÇÖt risk taking any ship into combat (PVE or PVP) with the risk my PC is a ticking time bomb of failure.
As the freezes (locks up) the entire PC, it has made it next to impossible to get any sort of diagnostics out of it. Even the Windows event logger doesnGÇÖt get any event apart from an unscheduled shut down, which doesnGÇÖt help me localise the fault.
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:35:00 -
[210] - Quote
Well, a little summary.
The hard locks (buzzig sound, screen freeze, only reset or power button helps, NO entry about a problem in windows events) happen on (as far as I know) sytems that run AMD cards of the 7000 series workin together with Intel's workstation chipsets (X58, X79) mostly.
Other games that are infected by this issue are Tera and Total Wat Shogon 2 (same hard locks from what google results show).
Neither CCP nor AMD are a help (afaik CCP weren't able to reproduce this issue which is quite ridiculous). |
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.11.12 11:51:00 -
[211] - Quote
Well, that's the reply I got from the bug hunter team after the bug report:
Quote:Thank you for your bugreport titled: System freeze on combat or map We are already aware of this problem, and have added your bugreport to the existing issue in our defect tracking system.
At least they admit that there's a bug. |
Anakin Katana
Amarr Wardens
0
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Posted - 2012.11.12 18:59:00 -
[212] - Quote
I have the same issue, and filled a bug report :
Mostly dual boxing with dual screen and when i set a course with auto-pilot and open galaxy map.. after a few seconds everything freeze.
Some shogun2 players have the same issue with HD7xxx cards.
And many users using socket 1155 socket are not impacted (personnaly i've the issue with old good socket 1156 and first generation i7 + Asus HD7970 DC2T-3GD5).
I found something in shogun2 forum we may try :
Quote: Symptom:
During gameplay the system will hard lock *and* there's a repeating audio sound in the speakers. The only solution is to power cycle the machine.
Cause:
GPU Halt. Per what I read, this is due to the 7970 being PCIe 3.0 and that AMD was very aggressive with the internal power management of the GPU -- especially with PCIe 2.0 buses.
Fix:
Open RegEdt32 Modify HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Class\{4D36E968-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\0000\PP_GPUPowerDownEnabled Set this to "0" instead of "1"
To be continued :) |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.11.13 09:01:00 -
[213] - Quote
Not sure but if this is the same setting as disabling ULPS, it's unfortunately not working afaik. Though, this wouldn't explain the lock ups on ivy bridge setups which are pcie gen 3 capable. On Asus ROG forums I've seen a post of some1 got a reply of an AMD guy telling him that there's an incompatibility between cross-/tri/quadfire setups and X58/X79 chipsets. Wouldn't be surprised if single card setups are affected aswell since the symptoms (hard lock up, buzzing sound) were the same as we run into. Anyway. gl with the fix and plz tell us, if it works or not. :) |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.11.14 10:11:00 -
[214] - Quote
Out of curiosity, I just flashed a different bios to my 7970 (there's an official GHz bios of AMD for reference design cards floating around and since my card was standing it easily, I thought I'd give it a try). Well, first flash wet wrong for some reason so I had to google a bit. Luckily my card got a dual bios (afaik NOT all 7970 cards got it although it should be in reference design already, so if you think about flashing this yourself, MAKE SURE YOU GOT DUAL BIOS BEFORE BRICKIN YOUR CARD!!!), so I just had to switch to the untouched bios. Two flashes later (first got borked again but just ran it a second time without rebooting), it completed.
What I can say yet is:
I used Furmark for stability testing (passed) open/closed map in eve ~40-50 times (no crash, needs further testing) and last but not least (my all time lock up) - I've warped to 5 cosmic anomalies and killed the pirates (no crash, needs further testing)
I don't call it stable yet, will need some more testing.
What I figured out yet is that the card still clocks down while running eve with two differences: 1. the GPU clock only went down to 501MHz now / before 300MHz (coded into bios) 2. the vram clock NEVER went down / before 150MHz (always running 1500, also coded into bios)
Well, I'll tell ya more (good news hopefully) soon. |
Iron Drake
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.16 20:21:00 -
[215] - Quote
I found this article : http://www.behardware.com/news/lire/27-10-2012/
It describes problems with the ATI 7870 cards from wrong capacitors in some cases. I ask the author about clarify the symptoms. He answered: "Yes with the issue I described there is a sound loop and the reset button is not responding. However these symptoms could also lead to other issues related to the graphics card." |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.11.17 07:03:00 -
[216] - Quote
Iron Drake wrote:I found this article : http://www.behardware.com/news/lire/27-10-2012/It describes problems with the ATI 7870 cards from wrong capacitors in some cases. I ask the author about clarify the symptoms. He answered: "Yes with the issue I described there is a sound loop and the reset button is not responding. However these symptoms could also lead to other issues related to the graphics card." yeah but he also states "the system crashes and they get a black screen (loss of video signal)." But at least in my case it just frozes and I hear the buzzing sound loop. Also, my reset button works but that probably depends on the PSU aswell since mine disconnects the power for ~2 seconds which is no real reset (but that's a Seasonic thing). |
Sycotic Deninard
Polaris Breach Corp
24
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Posted - 2012.11.18 03:13:00 -
[217] - Quote
Im using an nVidia card (GTX 570) and im experiencing the same issue so I dont think its restricted to AMD video cards. Its something on Eves end and I started experiencing this issue after the last patch. |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
|
Posted - 2012.11.19 15:58:00 -
[218] - Quote
Sycotic Deninard wrote:Im using an nVidia card (GTX 570) and im experiencing the same issue so I dont think its restricted to AMD video cards. Its something on Eves end and I started experiencing this issue after the last patch. What chipset you running/which CPU socket? 1366/2011 aswell? |
Virgo I'Platonicus
Tea Time Mining
0
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Posted - 2012.11.19 22:27:00 -
[219] - Quote
Same problem.
Just bought an AMD HD7850 a month ago to use with my old rig - i7 920 on ga-ex58-ud5.
Complete system freeze in map mode, but also at completely random times. The first day I had it twice in 5 minutes, now 3 days nothing even though i'm using the map heavily. I run single client only. Though I did dust the computer just in case there was some heat build up or other nasty surprises.
However the card is cool as ever ~ 50-¦C during play.
Also this is the only game that freezes the comp... and I tried hard to do it with other games.
Bug report sent.
o/ |
Oscar99
Duct Tape Mechanics
4
|
Posted - 2012.11.20 00:33:00 -
[220] - Quote
I have also just upgraded to a 7850 2gb card & i'm having problems opening the map, PC will hard lock - same symptoms as OP.
I also have this problem in Shogun 2, see my thread on it here: http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/51616-Sound-Crashing-in-Campaign-Mode
shame really, my 5770 is alot better than this - had no problems with EVE whatsoever using that. |
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.11.20 08:25:00 -
[221] - Quote
Well, it's defo not a cooling problem, my 7970 is running on water, I had to use Furmark to get the GPU to 50-¦, voltage regulators are around 45-¦.
What I want to know is if there's any1 who used a 7000 series card without having issues first (prolly early in this year when they got available) and got affected later after an eve patch or a driver upgrade. |
Saber Coombs
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
1
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Posted - 2012.11.20 08:38:00 -
[222] - Quote
Teh Minez0r wrote:Well, it's defo not a cooling problem, my 7970 is running on water, I had to use Furmark to get the GPU to 50-¦, voltage regulators are around 45-¦.
What I want to know is if there's any1 who used a 7000 series card without having issues first (prolly early in this year when they got available) and got affected later after an eve patch or a driver upgrade.
The problem fist appeared around march, I think it was, when they released a patch with updated graphics for the star map, before that there were no problems. The problem was first only with the star map, but it spread to combat with the missile graphics patch. Leaving the "gpu particles" graphic option off seems to help with combat crashes, but star map is still unusable regardless of graphical options. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.20 21:19:00 -
[223] - Quote
Did you guys tried to set your GPU fan speed manually? (spikes for whatever reason may be opening card/missile trails or large fleets can cause huge heat in a limited amount of time)
From everything I read about this issue it looks exactly the same stuff I had with my previous 4870x2, the fan and/or his controller couldn't or didn't or drivers were too poor to instantly adapt to the amount of heat, was worst when the temperature could go up from 75 to 130-¦C. The only way to prevent this for me was to DL GURU and use it to spot heat spikes while using my whatever software at the moment and then fix manually the base speed accordingly to how many clients I had open.
With 1 client had to fix it a t 45% and 2 at 60% but had no issues other than polygons etc but due to ATi usual uber drivers.
Test it out, it can't hurt if you do it carefully. |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
|
Posted - 2012.11.20 22:07:00 -
[224] - Quote
That makes it a CCP problem then obviously.
Well, since mine was watercooled, i've set the fan speed to 0 manually. And if you are wondering, why I used the past - my 7970 just died this morning without any warning, it's not even recognized by the system anymore.
That solved my problem hopefully, since I already bought a gtx 670 (don't want to wait for the rma card and the knowledge that it won't work anyway in eve). |
Sycotic Deninard
Polaris Breach Corp
25
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:29:00 -
[225] - Quote
Teh Minez0r wrote:Sycotic Deninard wrote:Im using an nVidia card (GTX 570) and im experiencing the same issue so I dont think its restricted to AMD video cards. Its something on Eves end and I started experiencing this issue after the last patch. What chipset you running/which CPU socket? 1366/2011 aswell?
Im running Intel Core -i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core processor in a Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD4-B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 Motherboard |
Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 14:04:00 -
[226] - Quote
That's interesting as your specs completely differ from what are known to cause trouble.
What programs are you ppl running in the background? Anti-Virus I guess at least (I'm using the MS Security Essentials myself). |
Sycotic Deninard
Polaris Breach Corp
25
|
Posted - 2012.11.22 02:28:00 -
[227] - Quote
Teh Minez0r wrote:That's interesting as your specs completely differ from what are known to cause trouble.
What programs are you ppl running in the background? Anti-Virus I guess at least (I'm using the MS Security Essentials myself).
edit: and one more hardware question - to you ppl use a hdd or a ssd? In my case, eve is installed on a hdd, to be exact running on a raid 5 based on an lsi hw raid controller. But the settings and cache folder is based on my ssd since eve creates the path in the user tree. any1?
MS Security Essentials
Both SSD and HDD
OS- on the SSD Game and Swap file on the HDD
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.11.24 10:12:00 -
[228] - Quote
So same setup as I use, although I got the swap file on the ssd aswell. |
Cpt Bogus
Whimsical Mining Refining and Exploration
2
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Posted - 2012.11.25 00:14:00 -
[229] - Quote
I'm having similar issues, but since I'm Bogus my issues are far more awesome than just my new graphics card crashing. My system periodically crashes after installing a 7770 GHz a couple of days ago with the same symptoms as everyone else. Lowering Eve's graphics settings, if anything, made the problem worse as it went from only happening when probing with the system map open to happening randomly in station when not doing anything. My particular manifestation is alternating horizontal lines that looks something like this.
http://bogus.wswarren.com/img/7770-crash.png
However, the card also has another issue which I also had with a 6670, which is what I call Dr. Timothy Leary mode. When alt-tabbing or frapsing the client displays wild rainbow colors which can be recorded (and indeed, anything I fraps is a video version of this).
http://bogus.wswarren.com/img/7770-leary-mode.png
The 6670 also had some random, non fatal but truly glorious artifacting the first time someone fired a missile in an Eve session--basically the system renders a big striped square in space.
http://bogus.wswarren.com/img/6670-1.jpg http://bogus.wswarren.com/img/6670-2.jpg (this is zoomed out...so basically it renders it ingame like this)
Tried a number of games this afternoon--Crysis, Skyrim, MWO beta--and am unable to replicate the crash or the weird fraps colors in anything but Eve. Lobbed an issue on the AMD support forum but so far the folks there have been rather less than helpful. At this point I'm not sure what the next move is, I like my hardware to be efficient and I don't see why I should be forced to go with an nVidia card that uses 50% more juice because of a single game not behaving but with AMD and CCP pointing the finger at each other and the former backing off driver support for XP I'll likely get a 650Ti in someone's holiday weekend sale. Hopefully if I do it won't overheat while rendering Windows like the last nVidia product I bought did. Between the two of them I have had enough issues to last quite a few more years and I just don't have the patience to play card doctor again. Man, I miss 3dfx.
System profile: CPU: i5 2500k LGA1155 GPUs: Sapphire Radeon 7770 / XFX Radeon 6670 Motherboard: Gigabyte Z77-DS3H bios revision F3 RAM: 4GB Corsair OS: Windows XP SP3 32-bit |
Shock Star
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.26 05:05:00 -
[230] - Quote
Bump.... Still waiting for a solution..... Any Dev's with an input??? |
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Teh Minez0r
Legion of Mars
0
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:29:00 -
[231] - Quote
Cpt Bogus wrote:I'm having similar issues, but since I'm Bogus my issues are far more awesome than just my new graphics card crashing. My system periodically crashes after installing a 7770 GHz a couple of days ago with the same symptoms as everyone else. Lowering Eve's graphics settings, if anything, made the problem worse as it went from only happening when probing with the system map open to happening randomly in station when not doing anything. My particular manifestation is alternating horizontal lines that looks something like this. http://bogus.wswarren.com/img/7770-crash.pngHowever, the card also has another issue which I also had with a 6670, which is what I call Dr. Timothy Leary mode. When alt-tabbing or frapsing the client displays wild rainbow colors which can be recorded (and indeed, anything I fraps is a video version of this). http://bogus.wswarren.com/img/7770-leary-mode.pngThe 6670 also had some random, non fatal but truly glorious artifacting the first time someone fired a missile in an Eve session--basically the system renders a big striped square in space. http://bogus.wswarren.com/img/6670-1.jpghttp://bogus.wswarren.com/img/6670-2.jpg (this is zoomed out...so basically it renders it ingame like this) Tried a number of games this afternoon--Crysis, Skyrim, MWO beta--and am unable to replicate the crash or the weird fraps colors in anything but Eve. Lobbed an issue on the AMD support forum but so far the folks there have been rather less than helpful. At this point I'm not sure what the next move is, I like my hardware to be efficient and I don't see why I should be forced to go with an nVidia card that uses 50% more juice because of a single game not behaving but with AMD and CCP pointing the finger at each other and the former backing off driver support for XP I'll likely get a 650Ti in someone's holiday weekend sale. Hopefully if I do it won't overheat while rendering Windows like the last nVidia product I bought did. Between the two of them I have had enough issues to last quite a few more years and I just don't have the patience to play card doctor again. Man, I miss 3dfx. System profile: CPU: i5 2500k LGA1155 GPUs: Sapphire Radeon 7770 / XFX Radeon 6670 Motherboard: Gigabyte Z77-DS3H bios revision F3 RAM: 4GB Corsair OS: Windows XP SP3 32-bit Dunno but yours look more like a hardware bug, although it's weird that you can't replicate the issue. What happens if you are running Haven benchmark or Furmark with maxed out settings? |
Cpt Bogus
Whimsical Mining Refining and Exploration
2
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Posted - 2012.11.29 00:36:00 -
[232] - Quote
Heaven runs fine, as does every game I have other than Eve. I'm just going to return the card, since two AMD/ATI cards from different generations have both had various issues it's clear the arrangement isn't working out. |
Haydan Olney
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.29 11:14:00 -
[233] - Quote
Bump for a DECENT dev reply.... clearly this issue is unresolved... How about an update?
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Bunny13004
Primal Fury The East India Co.
0
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Posted - 2012.11.29 16:45:00 -
[234] - Quote
MY PC freezes when i open the star map (have to reset from the tower), probe map is fine, everything else is fine....
I can pretty much guarantee a system crash though when opening the star map, so i dont open it. Been playing EVE alot of years and had no issues with my HD 5 series. Im going NVidia next time, thought ATI had the edge, but i cant use the star map>.<
Ive had this issue ever since buying the 7770HD
Ive seen these explanations about flash etc and i'm not OCing anything, system is stable with every other program so i dunno what it is. Any advice is appreciated.
Also ive rolled my ATI drivers back and forward, no joy
Im running:
Windows 7 64 Gigabyte M52LT-D3 AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor (4 CPUs), ~2.8GHz Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz XFX ATI Radeon 7770 HD 1GHz 1GB PCI-Express 3.0 HDMI Core ASUS Xonar DG Audio Device
I hope my post will help resolve this problem and if there's any sort of report i can submit, then let me know and i will.
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Tyrone Cashmoney
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.11.30 09:12:00 -
[235] - Quote
I've had similar issues to most everyone that posted in this thread since upgrading from a Radeon HD 3400. My computer will lock up, with no response from the mouse or keyboard (numlock won't work), and the only thing left to do is a hard reset. I did so many things to try and resolve the issue I can hardly list them all. They include completely uninstalling EVE (including the documents folder, everything), uninstalling/reinstalling drivers, installing beta drivers, turning graphic settings all the way down (especially HDR, antialiasing, and the various effects), and so on.
It kind of annoys me because there's no 100% certain way to recreate the issue, and it just never happens in other games that I play (World of Tanks, The Witcher 2, Vindictus, XCOM, etc...) regardless of how long I play them. The nearest I've come to reliably reproducing the problem is warping to anomalies and killing rat after rat, within 5 to 20 minutes I'll usually get a lock up. I've had my PC lock up while the map was open, but there's also lots of times where I had the map open with no issues. I've been in large fleet battles with literally hundreds of ships onscreen and brackets turned on, and the PC wouldn't lock up.
My current specs:
Windows 7 64-bit Gigabyte M68M-S2P AMD Athlon II X3 425 4 GB DDR2-SDRAM XFX Radeon HD 7750
There's probably something to the various mentions of certain GPU / CPU socket / chipset combinations causing problems. The motherboard is a tad old and the 7750 seems to be one of the very few Radeon HD 7XXX cards it can handle. |
Bashius
Capital Gents Persona Non Gratis
0
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Posted - 2012.11.30 22:10:00 -
[236] - Quote
I really don't believe this to be an issue at CCP's end. X58/X79 users are reporting 7xxx series crashes in shogun and several other games (usually with crossfire running). Eve and Shogun seem to be especially fragile to this x58-7xxx incompatibility.
If you haven't already fill out: AMD Bug reporting Catalyst 12.10
I've been trying every beta driver as they come. The latest 12.11 promised a lot of new code for 7xxx's and 12.11beta8 seemed to increase my stability on the star map. I'll quantify that statement..
My rig (x58 and 7870) only crashes in the star map, or when running a second client, or when using VLC and Eve at the same time. Today I was able to browse around in the star map with no issue while running HD video in VLC on monitor#2. PC only locked up when I opened a 2nd eve client.
Hoping 12.11beta8 is just a sign of things to come.. going to hang onto this card a while longer before I betray my ATI loyalty.
I'm also keeping a close eye on these other threads: Shogun Thread Asus Rog Thread <-- vague promises 2nd hand from AMD that this issue is a 'top priority'
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Unholythrash Davaham
Bio Troll
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 09:52:00 -
[237] - Quote
I also have this problem x58 board 7950 card. I have the 12.11 beta drivers and it does help some, I can browse starmap a little as long as i am stationary. I just bit the bullet and bought a new board/processor so hopefully this fix's it. I feel naked in a wormhole without an alt or 2 active. |
General Roji
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 20:34:00 -
[238] - Quote
Getting this problem aswell only I don't run more than 1 client and it's happens at random times in the game. Nothing specific makes it trigger, just triggers after some time (usually 3-4 hours).
Core i7 950 AMD 7950 Windows 7 64 bit
If this is actually an issue with x58/7xxx compatibility than mine will be fixed here in a few weeks when I upgrade to Ivy Bridge. |
Complex Potential
No Fixed Abode Mildly Sober
28
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Posted - 2012.12.03 13:46:00 -
[239] - Quote
I'm running the HD 6870X2 which is essentially 2 6870s in Crossfire.
Windows 7 64Bit Core i7 6GB DDR3
I don't run two accounts but I have noticed that whenever I alt-tab back to desktop or shut the game down I'll often experience a momentary freeze before Windows recovers. This is always accompanied by a message saying that the graphics driver stopped working but was recovered.
I have not experienced the kind of freezes described in this thread but I only run a single account. |
Complex Potential
No Fixed Abode Mildly Sober
28
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Posted - 2012.12.03 13:54:00 -
[240] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote: about that star map... and docking, and jumping through gates, and starting the login screen-- they're all complete graphics changes
it might be causing the card to throttle itself to 2D mode or back to 3D mode and this is too much of a jump for the drivers and their control of the voltage
This actually reminds me of an issue I had on my old 4870X2 where I could not play the original Borderlands due to the 2D/3D power savings. Borderlands' cell shaded graphics confused the drivers and meant it wouldn't switch into 3D mode when it was supposed to and just ground to a halt. |
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SuperBeastie
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
77
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:03:00 -
[241] - Quote
My 5870 just died so I replaced it with a xfx 7770 It was all fine and dandy till I tried taking my avatar aeon and archon out at the same time needless to say its very very nerve racking having to deal with hard crashes while playing with 200b isk on the field.
I'm also using LGA 1366 i7 930 like many of the people in the thread
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General Roji
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:31:00 -
[242] - Quote
Ok guys, I fixed my crashes by doing the following, maybe it'll help someone in this thread:
1. Turn Eve to Windowed Mode 2. Turn off HDR and Set Interval to Default 3. In CCC Under Catalyst AI, uncheck the box that says Enable Surface Format Optimization
I also noticed something else which was my computer still froze once while in windowed mode but only for a minute (normally my system would have just died) and I noticed in that time (since I was windowed) that Windows 7 (64 bit) switched the theme from Aero to Basic. A couple minutes later it did the same thing (freeze etc.) but it switched it from Basic back to Aero. I haven't seen it again but perhaps Aero has something to do with it (wouldn't surprise me). |
Rumthorp
Immortalis Silens Intrepid Crossing
1
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:46:00 -
[243] - Quote
New beta drivers just released! Gunna test em now! |
Virgo I'Platonicus
Zoners Superior Eve Engineering
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 09:20:00 -
[244] - Quote
Just saw this in the info tab for new AMD beta drivers:
Quote: Resolves a sporadic system hang encountered with a single AMD Radeon HD 7000 Series GPU seen on X58 and X79 chipsets. Resolves an intermittent hang encountered with AMD Radeon HD 7000 Series GPUs in a CrossFire Eyefinity setup.
Anyone trying these out? I'll do it when I get home.
Also update on the issue:
- gets more frequent using more clients simultaneously (2 clients crash in ca 5 minutes after start, compared to single client where it can take anywhere from 5 min to 2 hours... or never in that session).
- gets more frequent if using: map, active PI gameplay crashed in 15 minutes or less (passive play on the other hand - just watching planet and structures didnt crash after 45 minutes), and running high quality .mkv files on the other monitor.
Br, V. |
Bashius
Capital Gents Persona Non Gratis
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 14:27:00 -
[245] - Quote
I will stress test these beta11 drivers very shortly and report here. It's going to be nice to turn my graphics back up from 90's mode. |
SuperBeastie
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
77
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Posted - 2012.12.04 15:04:00 -
[246] - Quote
Virgo I'Platonicus wrote: Resolves a sporadic system hang encountered with a single AMD Radeon HD 7000 Series GPU seen on X58 and X79 chipsets. Resolves an intermittent hang encountered with AMD Radeon HD 7000 Series GPUs in a CrossFire Eyefinity setup.
I was unable to find that quote but I updated to the 12.11 beta drivers because of it. I'll report here how my experience goes.
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Baram d'Orrin
Sacred Templars Unclaimed.
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 15:57:00 -
[247] - Quote
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/beta/AMD_Catalyst_12.11_Beta11_NET4.exe
Fixed |
SuperBeastie
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
77
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Posted - 2012.12.04 16:22:00 -
[248] - Quote
I just auto piloted with the map open on 3 clients from jita to amarr and back to jita and did not crash. man am I glad I only got this card friday. o7 m8's
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Virgo I'Platonicus
Zoners Superior Eve Engineering
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:46:00 -
[249] - Quote
Testing the beta driver for the last hour. So far so good... |
Virgo I'Platonicus
Zoners Superior Eve Engineering
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 21:41:00 -
[250] - Quote
Ok update:
It will take probably far longer to really test the stability of the new beta drivers, however:
after running 2 clients for 2 hours, with maps and active PI, with movies running in the background, no crash.
With previous drivers, I'd usually crash within 5 minutes.
If not fixed, It's definitely better than before.
V.
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Lizaa
Versatech Co. Against ALL Anomalies
1
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:10:00 -
[251] - Quote
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst1211betadriver.aspx
AMD Catalyst 12.11 Beta11 is now available, and includes the following updates: (Please note that AMD Catalyst 12.11 Beta11 includes all of the fixes found in previous versions of AMD Catalyst 12.11 Beta)
Improves performance in Far Cry 3 (up to 25% with 8xMSAA, SSAO enabled @ 1600p, and up to 15% with 8xMSAA, HDAO enabled @1600p) (AMD Catalyst 12.11 CAP2 must also be installed) Resolves a sporadic system hang encountered with a single AMD Radeon HD 7000 Series GPU seen on X58 and X79 chipsets. Resolves an intermittent hang encountered with AMD Radeon HD 7000 Series GPUs in a CrossFire Eyefinity setup. Resolves image corruption found in certain DirectX 9.0c titles Resolve missing fonts issue in XBMC Resolves no video issue found in Media Player Classic Home Cinema when using full or half floating point processing Resolves stability issues found in the previous AMD Catalyst 12.11 Beta8 driver for Linux For users experiencing issues with HDMI Audio under Ubuntu 12.04, users should try installing the GÇ£dkms-hda - 0.201211291615~precise1GÇ¥ package from https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/alsa-daily/+packages and reboot; this will resolve the HDMI Audio issue found in Ubuntu 12.04 AMD Catalyst 12.11 CAP2 has just been released, and should be used in conjunction with AMD Catalyst 12.11 Beta11 Improves Far Cry 3 performance for single GPU configurations with AA enabled
Anyway after replacing basically my entire computer, i also found that the crashes stopped with a bigger psu, went from a gs 700 to a gs800, and the crashes stopped. |
Virgo I'Platonicus
Zoners Superior Eve Engineering
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:15:00 -
[252] - Quote
I have a 1300 PSU (enermax's) :)
Was NOT a problem :)
Anyway. Tried 3 clients yesterday. Stable for 4 hours and i seriously did everything possible i could in the game.
Fixed for me. |
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CCP Konflikt
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
178
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Posted - 2012.12.05 16:33:00 -
[253] - Quote
As Lizaa pointed out, this issue should be fixed when you install the 12.11 Catalyst beta release.
If you're still experiencing this issue with this driver installed please let us know. CCP Konflikt Technical Software Quality Analyst Team Trilambda |
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Lizaa
Versatech Co. Against ALL Anomalies
1
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:34:00 -
[254] - Quote
Well I stress tested the crap outta the new driver last night for a good 6h. No more issues. So this Driver version is stable. I would recommend cleaning out old amd drivers first before the install. I used Driver Fusion... works like a charm.
My set up is (CPU) Intel-« CoreGäó i7 CPU 990X @ 3.60GHz @ 3607MHz (Motherboard) ASUSTeK Computer INC. Sabertooth X58 mainboard (RAM) 24GB, 10.28GB free; Kingston HyperX 24GB (6x4GB) 1600MHz DDR3 Non-ECC CL9 DIMM (HDDs) 16.85TB, 8.35TB free; OCZ IBIS HSDL 3.5" 720GB Solid State Drive, Read: 740MB/s, Write: 720MB/s Main Drive. (Graphics) 2x Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 7970 Crossfire. (OS) Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit. (PSU) Corsair GS800 Gaming Series. |
Pigeonholed
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:10:00 -
[255] - Quote
Not to nitpick, but I installed beta drivers on Oct 24, and I had the same issue. However, yesterday I d/l the Retribution client and today I'm logged in and on the starmap, have been for a few minutes now....perhaps the Retribution client release addressed the issue? Regardless, I'm quite happy the issue seems to be resolved, even if I have canceled my account. :)
Cheers all and happy hunting! |
Baitrix
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.14 09:19:00 -
[256] - Quote
Beta Drivers installed and still getting hard-freeze when opening the map with 2 or more clients open...
Sub ending in 5 d.....
7 months and no fix.... i'd call this .... epic fail... for a hard-freeze.... |
Squeaks
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
4
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Posted - 2012.12.23 19:58:00 -
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I had exactly the same probs with my 7970, but as others have stated, latest beta drivers (beta11) seem to be working... |
Tyrone Cashmoney
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.12.29 23:10:00 -
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Tyrone Cashmoney wrote:I've had similar issues to most everyone that posted in this thread since upgrading from a Radeon HD 3400.
[....]
My current specs:
Windows 7 64-bit Gigabyte M68M-S2P AMD Athlon II X3 425 4 GB DDR2-SDRAM XFX Radeon HD 7750
There's probably something to the various mentions of certain GPU / CPU socket / chipset combinations causing problems. The motherboard is a tad old and the 7750 seems to be one of the very few Radeon HD 7XXX cards it can handle.
Since I've updated the driver of my Radeon HD 7750 to the latest beta version, I haven't had issues with my PC locking up for days. I haven't experimented much with two or more clients, and I only have one monitor, but the brief times I did run two clients, I didn't see any problems either. |
Slayer Girl
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
93
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:48:00 -
[259] - Quote
ATI 7970 here and I have the same problem. Hard-freeze often. Computer completly locks up requiring a full reboot. I have checked everything from testing each of my ram, checking PSU, re-seating video card, rolling back drivers, updating drivers, turning off sound, re-installing windows, eve, sound devices, running in safe mode, desktop graphic settings, everything.. Never have been able to find a fix. My computer plays every other game on full graphics with lots and lots of other stuff running and only problems with Eve. :( |
Flag Bravo
9
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Posted - 2013.01.18 14:56:00 -
[260] - Quote
Just tried the new Cats 13.1 and up to now I am very impressed. Eve has never looked this good, and have come across no problems as yet. |
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Zael Serine
Ginger Ninja inc
0
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Posted - 2013.01.19 18:11:00 -
[261] - Quote
Ugh, Just started happening again. |
Aprudena Gist
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.01.22 00:15:00 -
[262] - Quote
Baitrix wrote:Hi all I recently bought a ATI HD7970 for it's large amount of display ports (4) + 2 DVI and obviously it's (promised) performance. With EVE though I now get System freezes when I have two or three Clients opened. Usually this is triggered by opening the map a few times (i guess there's some gpu intense operation happening). The system will then freeze completely! Sound loops, Display freezes and I have to hard-reset (reset does not work, only power button 4secs). This also happens without any sound enabled, so it's definitely not the soundcard. Drivers are the latest, tried with .4 (latest) and .3 Seperate EVE-Clients don't help either (With each of the three clients set to its "own" ATI Card (1,2,3) (no I don't have CF, but eve shows cards 1-3). Just wondering if I should send the Card back for RMA or if it's really just ATI & EVE ... No Crashes with FurMark stressing the Card or any other Games. Thanks a lot in advance! Cheers, - B Edit: This still happens with latest 12.8 Drivers and also with just one (1) client! Edit+: Also happens with 12.9 Beta Drivers *sigh* Things Tried but still having system freezes/crashes
- Disabled Flash Acceleration
- Full OS Reinstall
- GPU Stress Test (no crash triggered)
- GPU Memory Stress Test (no crash triggered)
- Disabled/uninstalled HDMI/DP Audio Drivers/Device (see this post )
- Disabled AA in EVE
- Set Interval to "Default"
Do you also get the vertical grey lines? If so this is resolved by disabling the HDMI audio device.
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Billybobhank
LVP Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:13:00 -
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Hi Guys & Girls If your still having issues with full system lockups when opening the map try downloading the latest AMD driver 13.1 (release date 17/1/2013) its fixed my issues without work arounds. I would recommend un-installing the pervious version & restarting windows before installing the new. Hope this works for you. |
Nox Zyd
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:15:00 -
[264] - Quote
Yep I can confirm installing the latest version did fix it. |
Daega Flux
Crunchy Crunchy Peregrine Nation
0
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:39:00 -
[265] - Quote
I literally JUST built this computer less than 2 days ago, using ATI Raedon HD 7750's with Cat. 13.1 drivers. I cant get past the launcher. it hangs my computer completely, have to reboot.
I installed EVE on a separate SSD HDD other than my OS.
Can anyone help?!
i can post specs if needs be. but i cant even get it to verify the client the farthest it's made it is 34% before it locked up the whole PC. |
Flag Bravo
9
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Posted - 2013.02.02 19:20:00 -
[266] - Quote
ATI 13.2 beta's are epic. Even better than 13.1. Surely eve hasn't always looked this good. What have I been missing.
+1 for AMD/ATI. they have finally cracked it. |
Lemster
Disconnected. Choke Point
22
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:41:00 -
[267] - Quote
I run two windowed sessions, each at 2560 x 1440 on a Radeon 7850. The new 13.2 drivers seem to make the display corrupt to the point of not even being able to find the shutdown button within a few minutes of starting to use the clients. I have rolled back to 13.1 and everything is fine again.
I've reported this to AMD but thought I'd mention it here in case anyone else has the same problem. |
Appear Emerges
Brave Newbies Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.02.16 07:36:00 -
[268] - Quote
Hello, im on my second week of eve and I have an issue aswell but it's not the same as everyone else explains it.
I run with a Radeon 6950 HD card and Win 7. I'v had no hard lockups, iv had freezes of 0,5sec to 30sec and this have made me loose around 100m isk in value ingame, just because my screen froze at the worst possible time. Anyhow I run other games very well, WoW and BF3 on almost maxed graphics with no sense of lag or freezing. I can't say I havent frozen in Eve before some patch as I am rather new. I have tried most of the stuff allready posted in this thread with no luck, iv tried to format my system, iv tried to run it of 4 diffrent disks and I have also tried to play on my laptop wich outspecs my desktop. In my issue I get freezed mostly when close to stations, in warps/jumps or just completle random at times. It has made me frustrated as in loosing two ships while mining, screen freezes and when I get back my pod just exploded! 10ish mil isk and I don't even get to see it blow up. I'v tried to run almost every driver from AMD and I still getting the freezes. I should also add that im a big total war player and Shogun 2 and the expansions don't make my system freeze at all, no issues in any other game infact.
And to the big troll on the site, if you can't understand that this is CCP fault, then go back to your cavechair across your mama's room! :-) |
Nosenhojh
Excrutiating Dirge Black Legion.
1
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Posted - 2013.02.16 11:31:00 -
[269] - Quote
Just built a new computer.
Graphics Card is an Asus HD 7770. I'm periodically getting a freeze on my eve client and the message "AMD display driver has stopped responding and recovered". I run 2/3 accounts across 2 x 21.5" displays. The crashes are really annoying.. Any tips on how to fix would be lovely.
Rest of sys: Win 7 Asrock z77 Extreme3 mobo 8gb ddr3 ram Intel i5-3330 core i5 processor, 3ghz, quad core 2tb HDD 7200 rpm
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Bashius
Capital Gents Nulli Legio
3
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:05:00 -
[270] - Quote
Nosenhojh wrote:Just built a new computer.
Graphics Card is an Asus HD 7770. I'm periodically getting a freeze on my eve client and the message "AMD display driver has stopped responding and recovered". I run 2/3 accounts across 2 x 21.5" displays. The crashes are really annoying.. Any tips on how to fix would be lovely.
Rest of sys: Win 7 Asrock z77 Extreme3 mobo 8gb ddr3 ram Intel i5-3330 core i5 processor, 3ghz, quad core 2tb HDD 7200 rpm
That'll be 100% a software issue. I'd recommend going to device manager and finding "AMD High Definition Audio Device" under sound, video and game controllers. Disable that.
If that doesn't do it you could try disabling "turn off screens after x mins" in your power settings as on 7xxx series cards this completely powers off your GPU and I've heard of some people having issues with it (Doesn't behave nicely for me when I'm using eyefinity actually).
Reinstalling your drivers is always worth a shot too. |
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Appear Emerges
Brave Newbies Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:48:00 -
[271] - Quote
Now with the new patch its worse for me, alot more freezing but never ever had a lockup yet. |
Lolita Troublemaker
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:34:00 -
[272] - Quote
This latest patch has dropped my FPS by 2/3 when running multiple clients compared to same setup yesterday. |
Barakkus
1859
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:28:00 -
[273] - Quote
I'm having no problems with the latest drivers for the 7950. I did experience the system freeze, but I just progressively lowered the settings on the second client until it stopped happening. This is the only game that will cause a complete system freeze really. I did experience it once with Crysis 1 on max/ultra/blow your computer up settings, but that's about it. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
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