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master bates
Amarr
Smoking Hillbillys
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.07 15:29:00 -
[331]
dunno if this has been said but minimise the game , then do ctrl alt delete and go to processes, now look for explorer and end the process , this will remove all desktop icons, task bar etc, gives a hugh boost to fps in most games that struggle, when you are done with eve you ctrl alt delete again, go to proceses again, then file - new task, in the text box type in explorer, and your desktop will reappear
missions
pvp skills
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Philippe Shadow
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.23 21:25:00 -
[332]
having 2 gigs of ram really helps with the frame rate its a must and ram is getting cheaper everyday...
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Battou
Caldari
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.09.25 21:00:00 -
[333]
 Originally by: Philippe Shadow
having 2 gigs of ram really helps with the frame rate its a must and ram is getting cheaper everyday...
Thats funny Ive been wanting a second gig of corsairs valueselect ram for my pc, but it has nearly doubled in price the last few months.
http://www.kaptainklak.com/gfx/gallery/Battou_sig.jpg
Devs wont leave my sig alone :(
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Shirley Koch
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Posted - 2006.09.25 21:59:00 -
[334]
well i run a athlon 3800+ dual core 64 with 1gb ram and a 7900gt 256mb and it runs **** ... 15 fps in combat sometimes lesser!! the pc bevore was a p4 3,2ghz 1gb ram radeon 9600xt same **** slow running but lower fps ...the pc bevore wasan athlon 2000xp+ 756mb ram gefroce mx 440 64mb and it runned smooth!! 70fps in combat no probs no freezers.must be a joke i tried all hints and nothing works i run also wow far cry and a few other games all with no probs perfekt running and fast as they should on this pc but eve is a miracle the better the hardware the slower it runs..
ccp should look for that and patch it.
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Kamion Trimorae
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Posted - 2006.09.27 21:24:00 -
[335]
It seems as if people with newer systems, (I myself am running a slightly dated PCI X 6800 GT, 2 GB RAM, and an AMD 3800 Dual Core), seem to be having the most latency issues. I wish that CCP would comment on the compatability of newer systems with Eve.
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Quin Tal
Expeto Libertas
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Posted - 2006.10.01 03:14:00 -
[336]
I have a 512MB PCI-E card, I still get 15fps. Go go gadet $700. F sakes.
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Kamion Trimorae
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Posted - 2006.10.03 22:18:00 -
[337]
Well, I'm glad it isn't just me. I hate the fact that there are missions filled with ships to kill, but because of fps/lag issues, these missions are not even enjoyable, and more of a burden
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.11 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sylthi on 11/10/2006 04:06:07
I have tried EVERYTHING on the suggested list, and in intense battle situations my fps still dipped into the single digits. So, I figured it was time to upgrade from my aging 6800 Ultra 256MB. So, I buy a 7900 GTX 512MB. So my fps in the same situations goes up from 7-9 to 12-14. WHOOHOO!! NOT COOL CCP!! I score better (in the low 30s-40s) in brand new, graphics intense, with EVERY option turned on, games released in the last couple months! What gives? and WHEN are you going to fix it? Drivers are completely up to date. OS is completely up to date. I have even tried back dating drivers as far as 3 revs ago: No help, so I stuck with the most recent ones. Even though I think it is the STUPIDEST solution I have EVER heard, I have even tried disabling sound: no help. I ALSO have run 3dMark06 graphics benchmark software and posted my score out on the net. Guess what? I placed THIRD out of over 300 posts in overall graphics score for my card and setup, so IT'S NOT MY SYSTEM! This all started after some of the more recent patches. So, again, WHAT GIVES? Please throw us Nvidia users a bone here CCP! Please FIX what you have broken! Thank you.
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.11 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 11/10/2006 13:43:18
I get 40-60 fps in fleet battles, must be something wrong on your end  , and when I say fleet battles, I mean 100-200+ per side, and you do know the 7900 isn't meant to be the highest end-card? It was meant to deliver on the same level as a 7800GT, but do it cheaper. My 7800GTX runs perfectly in fleet battles (slightly below my ATI systems' score, but not by far), so it can't be 'Nvidia users' either.
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.11 20:11:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Grez
Edited by: Grez on 11/10/2006 13:43:18
I get 40-60 fps in fleet battles, must be something wrong on your end , and when I say fleet battles, I mean 100-200+ per side, and you do know the 7900 isn't meant to be the highest end-card? It was meant to deliver on the same level as a 7800GT, but do it cheaper. My 7800GTX runs perfectly in fleet battles (slightly below my ATI systems' score, but not by far), so it can't be 'Nvidia users' either.
Well Grez, I guess you're just uber and nothing goes wrong for you! Cheers! Good on ya. I'm glad you live in the glass house that NEVER gets smeared by CCP's sloppy coding. But, for the rest of us that live out here in the real world we've got issues. So please, for the love of god, stop making excuses for CCP and let them realise from all of us that are having issues that THERE ARE ISSUES. I know you trying to help, but all of your putting the blame off onto other people except where it belongs ISN'T helping. Oh and by the way, my neighbor has the SAME card you listed, and has the SAME issues I do. My cousin has the 7950 GX2 with 1 GB of ram, and has the SAME issues I do. So forgive me if I can't take YOUR word for it when I can see three top of the line systems with top of the line graphics cards that all have the same issue I do. Thanks for your input Grez, but the issue is NOT my system.
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Serna
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2006.10.13 03:10:00 -
[341]
I'm yet another Nvidia user having issues with updating to newer equipment. My old system consisted of a P4 3Ghz, 2Gb Ram and Geforce 6200 256mb AGP. The newer system is a P4 3Ghz Dual Core, 2Gb Ram and Dual Geforce 7900GTs 256mb PCI-E in SLI. I'm getting roughly the same FPS with both setups docked, but in space the new setup drops to around 15 FPS. However, the older setup has no lag whatsoever even running two accounts at once, but the newer setup is totally lagged using only one account and two is just unbearable. This is on a fresh install of both Win XP and Eve.
I've tried adjusting every setting there is with no results. Just to be sure the problem wasn't on my end i've toyed with a few different games using SLI and they all work flawlessly even on max settings. With SLI load balancing enabled I could see that both cards were working just fine on every game, so apparently it's just Eve related. To me it seems as if the graphics are bypassing the video cards.. software rendered instead of hardware or something. 
Could the Eve code just outdated and not being read by newer video cards.. specifically PCI-E cards? Yes I see that some newer cards are working, but it seems a majority of them aren't. Any helpful information would be appreciated.
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Scall McLean
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Posted - 2006.10.17 13:07:00 -
[342]
Perhaps that's one of the things that Kali will be fixing?
RMR came out when PCI-E wasn't extremely popular (At least, not over where I am), so they may not have coded for it... Kali may improve on those Hardware updates that we've seen in leaps and bounds since RMR (And before RMR)... So you may find that EVE runs better with the new Patch (Like the DEVs promise)... All I can really say is stick with EVE untill Kali is released to the Test server and try it out there... If it still blows, well... Bugger.
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Billy Kid
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Posted - 2006.10.18 17:09:00 -
[343]
Running EVE on a AMD 64 - 4800+ dual core with a Nvidia 7800GS 256Mb AGP, 2Gb pc3200 ram "dual channel" and a Soundblaster X-Fi.. All the latest drivers etc and have my fps at 220 docked, 140 flying around and about 80-100 "In Action"..
Everything works great, except for one thing only.. I got CTD's now and then, mostly when i have been at stations and then undocks or have been flying over several jumps and come into a new system and that is quite annoying..
My other computer (AMD 64 - 3500+ with a Nvidia 6800 128Mb Ultra AGP, 1Gb pc3200 ram "dual Channel" and on-board sound) runs my other account and does not have this problem..
If anyone have an idea why it crashes to desktop I'll be glad to now..
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.22 05:12:00 -
[344]
Edited by: Feng Schui on 22/10/2006 05:14:12
didn't read the entire thread, however:
depending on how much RAM you have (1 gig or less), you may want to modify the virtual ram settings in Windows.
Right click My Computer
Click on Properties
Click Advanced Tab
Click on Settings under the Performance listing
Under Virtual Ram; Click Change
Click on the Custom radio button
Enter 1024 for both Min and Max settings.
On a side note, it is also wise to make 2 accounts. One for EVE, one for... everything else.
Make sure that the EVE account only loads up the necessary services.
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Billy Kidd: Change to the Quadro graphics drivers, instead of the 7850 drivers.
If you are running dual processors, then add a duplicate line in your boot.ini file, but with:
/pae /numproc=1
Both of these combined, I didn't get anymore CTD's.
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Lord Lorkaz
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:07:00 -
[345]
Ok here it goes,
i have an Intel Pentium 4 3'4 Ghz 1024 Ram and a Radeon X300
My FPS outside station IS EXTREMELY low, i mean 6-7 fps (using some of the pis boosted it from 2-4 fps), and my comp could run, F.E.A.R. Perfectly, i just dont know why does this low fps happen -.- can ya tell me how to solve this issue?
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Serlanty
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Posted - 2006.10.22 16:21:00 -
[346]
to the guy who posted above me the X300 from ati is at the bottom end of the scale tbh i wouldnt be suprised with <10fps with a game with such spectacular visuals i get around 40fps on my 9800pro with a Pentium D 805 1gig of ram and a 9800pro 128mb
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brinelan
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Posted - 2006.10.23 16:46:00 -
[347]
Edited by: brinelan on 23/10/2006 16:47:17
I am running an Athlon 64 3400+, Nvidia 7600GS AGP and 1gb ram, and EVE runs nice no matter what I am doing. I am wondering if the problem is AGP/PCI-E related since the people who are having problems are saying they are running PCI-E cards...
My ATI radeon 9600 mobility however, crashes within 1 minute with a spectacular display of colors. That old laptop has to be replaced anyway =/
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FeralShadow
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 01:31:00 -
[348]
Ok so umm... the highest FPS i have gotten while doing all of the suggestions originally posted is 30... i allot it half a gig of ram, did everything... is that good? Also that ATI link doesnt work any longer.. so i can't try that. thanks for the suggestions! it has upped the FPS by a total of 5, better than nothing!
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Serna
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2006.10.27 22:11:00 -
[349]
Yes I do believe it is a PCI-E related issue. I can run any other game fine, on maxed settings even, except Eve. What i'm seeing is the cpu is using 40-50% to run Eve compared to my older cpu which used around 20-30%. I definitely think it's a coding issue and I hope they get it sorted in the coming patch. 
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mechtech
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Posted - 2006.10.28 21:36:00 -
[350]
Its not a PCIE issue. I have an AGP 6800, and ever since the bloodlines patch came out, Ive been getting horrible FPS. I cant do lvl 3 missions, because my fps drops to 4, even with effects off.
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nutbar
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:37:00 -
[351]
Originally by: Lord Caper
Actually turning off your page file will speed up things ALOT more, provided you have min of 1 gig or more of ram in your computer. Turning off your page file forces the operating system and programs to run in your physical RAM instead of your page file (hard drive memory). The more your system has to access your page file the more it slows you down.
<nerd>
Programs can't run from a swap file (read page file). It's a "memory dump" location for when the system has programs that are in total requesting more memory than the system has physical ram. Say you are running Adobe Photoshop and it's set to take up 75% of all system ram when running. Then you launche Eve - well, chances are Eve will want more memory than the measly 25% (at most) remaining. So, when Eve becomes the foreground process, Windows will swap out some (or most) of the memory that Photoshop allocated (but at this point isn't using - core program stuff may remain in memory) out to the page file. By doing that, it frees up system ram for Eve to run. If you swap back to Photoshop, the system will swap out some of Eve in return for some of Photoshop.
The "slowness" experienced is from page file hits - meaning that a request for a location of memory by a program resulted in the system not having it in physical ram, and had to go to the page file, restore it to physical ram, and then use it. When this happens you incurr disk i/o which is obviously many times slower than system ram, thus you experience program lag.
Disabling your system swap file is about one sure way to ensure Windows crashes - and crashes nice and hard. Without swap space, if *anything* requests more memory than your system has, you get a lovely blue screen of death (I'm assuming) and windows dies with an out of memory error. The fix is not to disable swap space, but to have more system memory - enough to run all the applications you need and then some. Also, ensure you have at LEAST the same amount of system ram for your swap file (so, if you've got 1gb ram, make sure your swap is 1gb as well) - doubling the swap file is probably best. By doing this, Windows doesn't automatically grow/shrink the swap file which takes up even MORE disk i/o resources (if you can, set the size as a minimum but allow Windows to allocate more if required - if not, you may still get out of memory errors... however at that point your system is probably close to death anyhow and a BSOD might be better than waiting for your system to respond to commands).
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MMXMMX
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.06 16:59:00 -
[352]
In the prefs.ini there is a setting
music=play
I dont like music in my games .
hoe do i turn that off ? what do i need to change that in to ?
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Oziel Annas
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:59:00 -
[353]
After reading through a few pages of this thread I have to wonder if alot of folks aren't suffering from using those stock piece of crap power supplies that most computers, even custom built ones often use. Nowadays a 400 watt power supply just often doesn't have the power to run all the stuff we have crammed into our boxes, especially higher end video cards.
I'm not trying to suggest that is the answer to all the problems but for people who have been having trouble with other solutions it is something to check. Also a 500 or 600 watt power supply is only great if it is made by a big name reputable company like Antec among others. There are alot of power supplies out there that claim to be 550w but are made to such sloppy specs they are likely causing more trouble than they are worth.
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MMXMMX
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.07 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Oziel Annas
After reading through a few pages of this thread I have to wonder if alot of folks aren't suffering from using those stock piece of crap power supplies that most computers, even custom built ones often use. Nowadays a 400 watt power supply just often doesn't have the power to run all the stuff we have crammed into our boxes, especially higher end video cards.
I'm not trying to suggest that is the answer to all the problems but for people who have been having trouble with other solutions it is something to check. Also a 500 or 600 watt power supply is only great if it is made by a big name reputable company like Antec among others. There are alot of power supplies out there that claim to be 550w but are made to such sloppy specs they are likely causing more trouble than they are worth.
Let me help u out off that dream !!!
I am using a Enermax 431 W
A P 4 3.2
2 gyg DDR2
X700 ATI graphics card
Tested all the enhancements in this topic .
I have all graphics on Performence .
A wherry stable cable internet conection ad 91 euro a month .
AND I STIL HAVE LAG :)
But its playable :)
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Jaisen Isaac
Minmatar
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.07 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jaisen Isaac on 07/11/2006 22:31:37
One thing I have not seen mentioned here that may be worth mentioning is disable your Anti Virus's On Access Scanner. The On Access Scanner scans files as they are opened on you PC. This in turn not only takes CPU Cycles & Memory, but also lowers the amount of reading and writing your hard drive has to do. If you don't want to disable your On Access Scanner, then add the CCP folder to your exclusions list. This will tell your Anti-Virus Program to not scan the CCP folder using the On Access Scanner. Just be sure to also tell your Anti Virus program not to scan subdirectories of files in the CCP folder :). This way, you are still covered for Anti-Virus protection as your nightly scan will look in this location while it is doing its job.
Another thing you may consider trying is disable any Anti-Spy ware programs prior to starting Eve. You will basically want to disable anything that will take away from CPU cycles, consume memory or write to the hard drive while you are playing Eve. This includes listening to MP3's or WMA's.
You should not have to elevate a Process's priory ranking in the process list. Doing so can make WindowsXP unstable and could increase crashes. There is also a program that comes with XP called MSConfig.exe that can show you what applications start up when WindowsXP starts. You can then disable applications one at a time to learn which one is consuming most of your resources while playing Eve. I recommend only doing one at a time, as you may disable something needed by your OS or an application hooked into your OS. If this happens, you can just restore the single check mark you removed.
Just my .02, hope it helps.
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Anax Walsinghami
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:15:00 -
[356]
Take it for what it is worth but here is what I get with a 2700 AMD Barton core, ATI 9700 and 1 gig of mem:
In Pator with 50 peeps in system
1) In staion I get 90+ fps
2) Outside station I get 60 fps
3) Warping I get 80 fps
4) While I can only do lvl 1's, I went into a world's collide and while engaging 10 frigs at a gate I was getting 30 fps
Don't ask me why I seem to be getting better FPS than some of you with higher powered systems though I have a cable connect with 3 meg down but only 256 up. Also doesn't how many "hops" it takes between CCP's servers and where you are at have a affect? I'm in America so don't know if that makes a difference.
Might be interesting to compare with people in same system, same size ship and same mission
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Sugar Lump
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:43:00 -
[357]
Originally by: agrizla
Just modify the "Target" entry for your Eve shortcut to read :
C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe "D:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\" /c start /belownormal eve.exe
modifying the path to Windows and to your Eve install as appropriate. The example above shows a Below Normal priority which is what Oveur recommended some time ago for concurrently running more than one account. Other options would be low, normal, abovenormal, high and realtime. You could try low or realtime I guess but I doubt either of them will work very well 
Personally I have found on my laptop that modifying the priority of the ExeFile.exe process via the task manager and setting the priority to High has worked pretty good. (Even though I realize this doesn't say eve in the process name, it is the process that the task manager directs you to when you select "Go to process" in the applications tab in the task manager.) This is also frustrating since I have to manually do this each time I start up the game. I have tried to modify target of my shortcut as described in the above quote.
C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe "c:\Program Files\EVE\" /c start /High eve.
I have also tried to create a batch file that does the same thing.
@echo off
cd/d c:\program files\eve
start /high eve.exe
My problem is that when I check the process priority in the task manager after the game launches, it remains at Normal. I have also tried launching a cmd window as a high priority process and then running eve from there as some web forums have suggested, but I just can't seem to get this to work. If anyone could share their results with me on this or offer any suggestions, I'd greatly appriciate it.
Thanks for everyone's time.
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MMXMMX
Caldari
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:28:00 -
[358]
Originally by: Sugar Lump
Originally by: agrizla
Just modify the "Target" entry for your Eve shortcut to read :
C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe "D:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\" /c start /belownormal eve.exe
modifying the path to Windows and to your Eve install as appropriate. The example above shows a Below Normal priority which is what Oveur recommended some time ago for concurrently running more than one account. Other options would be low, normal, abovenormal, high and realtime. You could try low or realtime I guess but I doubt either of them will work very well
Personally I have found on my laptop that modifying the priority of the ExeFile.exe process via the task manager and setting the priority to High has worked pretty good. (Even though I realize this doesn't say eve in the process name, it is the process that the task manager directs you to when you select "Go to process" in the applications tab in the task manager.) This is also frustrating since I have to manually do this each time I start up the game. I have tried to modify target of my shortcut as described in the above quote.
C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe "c:\Program Files\EVE\" /c start /High eve.
I have also tried to create a batch file that does the same thing.
@echo off
cd/d c:\program files\eve
start /high eve.exe
My problem is that when I check the process priority in the task manager after the game launches, it remains at Normal. I have also tried launching a cmd window as a high priority process and then running eve from there as some web forums have suggested, but I just can't seem to get this to work. If anyone could share their results with me on this or offer any suggestions, I'd greatly appriciate it.
Thanks for everyone's time.
I used a batch file and i put it on abovenormal .
I use an Logitech G15 Keybord and on that i can monitor what amount of memory and processor is used .
And actulie the most resources are used when i just start up the normal exe file with the normal standings .
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Sugar Lump
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Posted - 2006.11.15 01:20:00 -
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Well specifically it's not a question as to whether or not the priority setting is actually giving me more performance, but it's simply that the "start" command in the batch file is not starting the application's thread at a high priority.
If I create a batch file with the following:
start /high cmd.exe
This opens a command window, and when checked in the processes tab of the Task Manager, you'll see that indeed the command window thread is set to a High priority level.
Another example is this. If I create another batch file inside my teamspeak directory with the following:
start /high TeamSpeak.exe
When the batch file is run, one will find that upon inspection of the Task Manager again, the Teamspeak.exe thread is indeed running at high priority.
Just as I'm writing this and testing it for the last time I have come across what I believe is the issue afterall. When I was launching eve.exe at High priority it was actually doing just that. I had my Task Manager open and had enough time to click on it and check the priority setting of a thread called eve.exe (which I hadn't noticed before.) Sure enough it was set to High. Now the thing that happened next is what I was missing.
After eve.exe launches, it calls and runs another executable called ExeFile.exe which appears to be the actual game application. This file is located in ./EVE/bin directory. In the Task Manager I noticed that ExeFile.exe actually replaces the eve.exe thread. I tried launching the game from this file instead of using eve.exe and sure enough, the game runs. It opens a cmd window that displays the starting of a bunch of services called the Dragonclient. Apparently this alone is enough to play the game; however, as the game progresses this cmd window continually fills up with information based on your actions (e.g undocking, docking, etc.) and I have no idea of this will eventually cause any problems.
Now that I've answered my own question as to why the game wasn't starting at High priority (I modified the batch file I was using and now it works as I was hoping,) I'm posed with a new question.
What is the eve.exe file running before it launches the ExeFile.exe. Could it possibly have something to do with checking for game updates or something like that or does it simply hide the Dragonclient cmd window that pops up showing you the services that are being launched.
Sorry for running on for so long, but if anyone out is there is curious like me, check it out and let me know what you think.
Thanks again for listening.
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Frug
Caldari
Tim Hortons Donuts
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Posted - 2006.11.19 22:16:00 -
[360]
Well I have no idea what eve.exe file is for but changing priority never helped my fps much anyway.
I'm using an nvidia 6600gt and while I usually get playable framerates (about 30 fps when alone in space and nothing is happening) the rates plummet to chunk city when big combat starts, and drop plenty whenever I look at the sun.
I've tried everything in this forum and anywhere else I can find. Fudging with settings and drivers for two days with no avail. What I really want is a way to deal with the hit I take from looking at a star. Still about 15 fps when looking at the star. Anyone got any advice for that aside from keeping the camera pointed away from the star in combat?
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