Station games never ******* mattered. You can just fly away. If there's a guy mocking you from within docking range, and you don't want to deal with that, then you don't. There was never anything forcing anyone to engage people like that. If the arguments you can raise to defend station lockout are that they have this completely insignificant benefit and that they also 'make sense' (if you're a moron, and don't immediately wonder why it makes sense for your locked-out goods to be recoverable by an alt rather than destroyed or turned over to the enemy, or why you don't get an instant biomass and a 'game over' screen if you die while your medical clone is based in an enemy station, or...), then you actually have no real defense for it.

So please pick up your "hey guys!! I haven't been following the discussion but I just thought of this really killer argument that proves you're all wrong whiners and should shut up!" and take it elsewhere.

Raa IS worthless to us at the moment compared to OTHER systems.

BTW - us holding the pipe and pushing from there has won back Lamaa...
Oyo is now a valid target, or a push can be made for Tzvi as well perhaps???
The point is, there are BATTLE LINES like I have been saying. You work around them... Think WWI trench warfare if you don't get it...

Back on this old chestnut?
Raa has a high sec system next door people COULD have used. They didn't as Raa wasn't worth it at the time...

Back on this old chestnut?
Raa has a high sec system next door people COULD have used. They didn't as Raa wasn't worth it at the time...

Back on that old chestnut?

Did you not read the reasons I already gave why we wouldn't want to base out of high sec? I couldn't make that recomendation to my corp with a straight face.

People in low sec have problem with sec status unlike THE REST OF EVE: yet another amazingly accurate and relevant reason ccp was totally high to change everything AND include lockouts before testing the water first...

The only reason I got was a sec status issue which is NOT an issue for everyone and COULD be fixed with some belt ratting IF you really wanted to make that difference...

The only reason I got was a sec status issue which is NOT an issue for everyone and COULD be fixed with some belt ratting IF you really wanted to make that difference...

Look for anyone who is even the least bit unbiaed I think its clear we would have fought for Raa if the station lockouts were not an issue. Before we moved to egg we were fighting for and winning systems around our base in arzad. This was even before we knew the economic consequences would be so drastic.

You guys really need to get over the station lockouts, they are not going away.

Dude i have to not pvp for like 2 days to reverse my sec enough to rectify a hand full of aggressions (like on minmatar neutral alt boosters and logi)

Yes i could go to 0.0 and do it in half the time, but thats hardly a fix for being able to participate in fw.

The same way fighting fw in low sec from a non fw system is retardified and makes no sense.

poor planning produces poor performance, which promotes profuse pity posts. lul.

i have all social skills to 5, i know it doesnt show on the forums though LOLOLOL

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Allot of the leaders in my corp, and those we fly with are negative 10. They are not going to go do a bunch of pve for ages so that they can dock in a high sec system so we might be able to hold a system. You are just out of touch.

Look for anyone who is even the least bit unbiaed I think its clear we would have fought for Raa if the station lockouts were not an issue. Before we moved to egg we were fighting for and winning systems around our base in arzad. This was even before we knew the economic consequences would be so drastic.

I'm not saying we would have been able to hold raa. But it wouldn't have been taken without a shot fired. If you can't recognize how the station lock out was a detrement to pvp in that case you are just being stubborn.

Do you think that everyones fighting right now JUST because it will lock the other guys out? If they are that in itself is not the goal to fight for... sooo kinda proves even more that its a dumb 0.0 mechanic thats got no place in low sec FW.

I know people are running defensive plexes for this reason. You think Wolfsbrigade ignores their system being taken? You think 7th fleet ignores Sahtogas?

I think they would be running plexes other places if they didn't have the lockout rule. Its just that now all the fighting is concentrated in a few systems.

Right now the station lockout rule is the only thing encouraging players to pause the movie they are watching, and engage an enemy in their home system. Sense of urgency leads to more fights.

There is not much "urgency" like there was before the flip times were extended. Now the systems won't flip unless there is 40 hours of uncontested plexing by the enemy. Now people will go out and cap a plex or two when they have the extra time to burn but its not like everyone is waiting for each new plex to spawn with bated breath.


I do agree that the plexes they are capping tend to be in and areound kamela and sahtogas as opposed to else where. I don't think this is good to have all the fighting so concentrated - unless you happen to have the larger blob at the time.

There is not much "urgency" like there was before the flip times were extended. Now the systems won't flip unless there is 40 hours of uncontested plexing by the enemy. Now people will go out and cap a plex or two when they have the extra time to burn but its not like everyone is waiting for each new plex to spawn with bated breath.

You have no clue whats going on. There was a build up in action leading to larger and larger fights before Lamaa was finally recaptured by the Amarr. Your comment just proves that you are no longer an active member of FW.

Just quit FW already. Yourself, Maud'dib, and the handfull of others do nothing but complain about change. You realize how weak and impotent you sound? I don't even have to argue with you guys on this thread because there are more Amarians on here that disagree with you.

CCP are not going to roll back the station lockout. It is the number 1 reason why there has been such an improvement in small gang pvp. Fact.

It was said beforeGǪ Adapt or die.

You guys have already been replaced by newer Pilots (tenfold) in the Amarr faction. Soon you will quit and no one will care. Just disgruntled has-beens.

As we speak kamela is not even contested and at level 5 in upgrades. there is no sense of urgency that people will lose their ships there.

People aren't currently based out of lamaa. So the sense of urgency was not created due to people losing ships there.

Yes it was fought over because it was right next to our base in kamela. That is sort of my point. All the fighting is pretty confined so whoever has the bigger blob can just plant it there.

Also now that the battlelines are even more limitted we get even more booster alts in system.

Truth be told, there comes a time when theorycrafting stops and those who are playing a more than 'casually' see what happening on a nightly basis and post about it.

^^^^ this

Why would it be so terrible for station lock outs to be removed again?

[quote=Muad 'dib]Why would it be so terrible for station lock outs to be removed again?

There is a place for the risk averse, and it is in High Sec.

There is not much "urgency" like there was before the flip times were extended. Now the systems won't flip unless there is 40 hours of uncontested plexing by the enemy. Now people will go out and cap a plex or two when they have the extra time to burn but its not like everyone is waiting for each new plex to spawn with bated breath.


I do agree that the plexes they are capping tend to be in and areound kamela and sahtogas as opposed to else where. I don't think this is good to have all the fighting so concentrated - unless you happen to have the larger blob at the time.

Valid Points