Yes I want more pvp I admit it. Like cosi said its ridiculous the amount of time you have to spend waiting for some pvp action in this game.

You seem to understand that if I wanted to fight for occupanycy I would go to todifraun if I want pvp I will go to the same old hang outs as the old faction war and wait at gates. This expansion didn't really do anything to bridge that gap by making plexing more of a pvp activity.

Sasawong has a sh**ton of time.
How many kills per hour do you think he gets?

And then they run once we make 11 jumps to get there to stop them from plexing. Same problem, solves nothing. Look, we have alts all over the map, and we report these afk plexers all the time. The issue is that they run away instead of fight most of the time. 11 jumps for nothing. After a while, nobody bothers to go out there.

Crosi never has to orbit a single button to keep his stuff safe (by not stationing in low sec FW system). He has to orbit a huge number of buttons if he is the only guy basing out of a targeted system. Or, he has to run an occasional button if he is based out of a system with many other FW players.

Crosi's biggest complaint is that we kick the Caldari's ass every day in fights, but they are capturing more systems than us because they are more willing to orbit buttons than we are - which is a valid point.

If you're complaining about not getting enough pvp action in this game through FW, then quit playing. FW, right now, is the most pvp-intensive part of Eve Online.

Sasawong has a sh**ton of time.
How many kills per hour do you think he gets?

Talk about a seriously devolving thread. You realize that you're not going to convince the other that you're right don't you?

On topic: I want to do everything I want all the time. However I can't. You don't hear me complaining about this game not being instant action and fun every second of my game time. Every plex I go into I expect to get shot at in. Sometimes I know it's a bit safer in a backwater, but who cares? It makes me iskies with a 'little' bit of PvE and the option for PvP all the time. So what if it doesn't happen within 15 minutes?

Talk about a seriously devolving thread. You realize that you're not going to convince the other that you're right don't you?

And then they run once we make 11 jumps to get there to stop them from plexing. Same problem, solves nothing. Look, we have alts all over the map, and we report these afk plexers all the time. The issue is that they run away instead of fight most of the time. 11 jumps for nothing. After a while, nobody bothers to go out there.

Crosi never has to orbit a single button to keep his stuff safe (by not stationing in low sec FW system). He has to orbit a huge number of buttons if he is the only guy basing out of a targeted system. Or, he has to run an occasional button if he is based out of a system with many other FW players.

Crosi's biggest complaint is that we kick the Caldari's ass every day in fights, but they are capturing more systems than us because they are more willing to orbit buttons than we are - which is a valid point.

EDIT - anyway xgal is so much a supporter of the current state of affairs that his corp has left gallente and plans to cash in on the matar's work by plexing caldari systems for matar LP and further flooding the market with SFI's. And yet he still claims this is all working well. What a disingenuous dullard.

Heh! Come on, that's pretty clever.

I wont be running a single button if there is no chance of PvP, regardless of where i base from.

Why would you go 11 jumps? Why wouldn't you just coodinate to have people who are out there chase him out? You know split up the blob so you can actually coodinate attacks and defenses?

Its the key point. At base plexing is what brings on all these consequences. But plexing is still mainly pve.

Faction war should not be WON or LOST, it should be a platform where newer and older players alike can undock and PvP without a massively and artificially tilted scale in terms of income or places to dock based on actions that they could not have prevented and are obliged to waste their time undoing the damage the PvE'ers did while he may well have been in bed.

If you want to WIN or LOSE get your ******* ass to null sec and stop advocating for ruining lowsec like nullsec already is.

EDIT - anyway xgal is so much a supporter of the current state of affairs that his corp has left gallente and plans to cash in on the matar's work by plexing caldari systems for matar LP and further flooding the market with SFI's. And yet he still claims this is all working well. What a disingenuous dullard.

I don't disagree, but IMO FW ought to be filled with lots of pvp. The casual way with no consequences at all lead to fewer fights. The bottom line, IMO, is
1. There are 4x more fights after this patch than there were before the patch.
2. Every issue that could possibly affect a player's ability to perform casual pvp within FW is easily handled. For example, you could simply ask QCATS or any number of other Gallente FW players to help you move your stuff, or you could use a courier service like Black Frog.

Really that's it. More pew = better pew. If consequences in FW drives away pvp, then it's a bad idea. If it brings more, then it's a good idea. So far it looks to be working really well. That could change after a few months.

See there's another easy adjustment you could do to make more isk. Tons of ways around that issue as well. Note that I wasn't in favor of this move, but most of my corp was. As you have already pointed out, I fly Gallente faction hulls most of the time. I would rather overpay for Gallente faction ships and use them as always. They are still a bargain even at inflated prices since LP is so easy to come by.

Funny then when only times I see you coming to plex is with your t3 links and massively outnumbering enemy. I quess 1% chance is enough to get you sit still for 20 odd minutes...

There is not 4x more fights now than there was this time last year when caldari was more active. The fights have come from new people joining which is mostly as a result of fw being under ccp's spotlight more than the prospect of locking people out of stations.

And when the wave of new people coming to FW will inevitably end when they understand old bittervets just use them to farm lolmails and that those no bothering to join "big corps" are forever sneered and mocked in militia chats, what then? Same bittervets we had insulting each other at the start of year will keep insulting each other and FW becomes the usual wasteland it was for several years now.

That's my prediction anyway.

Nobody wants to live in Athounon because there are no fights out there on a regular basis. Nor in Covryn. Nor in Villasen. Nor in Hasama, nor Hysera. Never have been. The fights are all near the "front lines" from Eha to Tama to Heyd. Living outside this area leads to no fights. There were some fights to be had in Agoze area when Damar would base down there on occasion, but otherwise people like to be where the action is, and the action is currently wherever Caldari base out of in low sec......

Catching people at a gate trying to evacuate your blob is the pvp your looking for? Scanning them down to gank them?

Your views of pvp are very much like null sec, which isn't surprising, because that is where you come from. Roam around in a blob and try to gank people as they run from you. Making it so they can't dock from your blob just helps the pvp.


Why would the offensive plexers just dock up? Perhaps to reship into ships that can enter a plex where your not outnumbering them so significantly? Not anymore.

We usually would plex to look for fights. Of course, now, when you only have a few systems in play the blob will come and chase you out.

In pre-inferno faction war all the pvp didn't revolve around hunting and catching someone who was trying to get away.

Station games were never a problem for faction war because if you don't want to play station games you are never forced to. Only people who don't know the basic mechanics of insta undocks would have problems.

As for changing faction for purely financial reasons, thats not an adjustment, thats a tacit admission that the level of financial consequences of the current occupancy war are totally unjustified.

Yeah, maybe I've got a skewed perspective.

I remember when the rewards for FW really sucked. No bonused FW LP items. FDU standings would go down if you failed a mission. No rewards for plexing other than tags if you shot all the NPCs (and standings gain for one time epic arc mission). Isk was made by running non-FW missions on the side or running anomalies when things were slow. .

Residual PvE while PvP'ing. We've still got it easy.

It's so much worse nowadays...

If people dock to reship, it's to a complete counter to whatever their up against.

i just love how these pvp corps that were so busy talking about "carebear tears" are busy getting beaten BY carebears and now supplying the tears... its really kinda ironic.

Who says FW needs to generate oodles of money for either side. There is a lot that can be accomplished with a little organization and ships under 5 mil, fit and all.

I'll just leave these here:

[url]http://rifterlings.com/kb/index.php/kill_related/1154/[/url]

[url]http://rifterlings.com/kb/index.php/kill_related/1149/[/url]


True for the tengu we had to batphone in larger ships to break the tank, but it was a t1 cheap-fit frig gang that locked him down. Despite the obvious mechanics bugs, we're still mixing it up and more active across the board.

Well if hte occupancy war is entirely driven by PvE, why would it be so surprising that bears are winning?

Also, the gangs that have been around all week seem to be drying up after getting smashed a few times and were left with lower levels of pvp than last week and a ****** occupancy system that at the moment means both gallente and caldari factions are earning **** squat for the lp but pvp still costs the same.

This is a joke.