Bottom line is Raa was lost without a fight due to station lock outs. If we could still dock in lost systems we could have planted a bunch of plexing ships there. That way even if we lost the system that effort wouldn't be wasted because we could still use those ships to start offensive plexing and starting to take it back. However with the current mechanic if we moved ships there it would have had a large potential to be a wasted effort and lead to us having to move all that stuff back out again.

(Docking in mehator is not an option for the low sec status pilots and even if that weren't a problem that gate could be easilly camped.)

Re: FW Missions. Has that been confirmed, that missions can go to any system that originally had hostile Sov? If so .. Holy Screw Up Batman!

CCP need to add rewards for defensive plexing as well, to ensure people actually have a proper incentive to hold on to their systems once they've captured them.

I joined FW to have "PvP available" but not really be commited full time. I have PvP'd for years and am just burnt out on it atm. I wanted to ISK up and just chill for a month or two. I did a ton of missions and did just that.

Along the way, I notice that many dedicated militia members kind of hate the mission runners.

Now: The mission LP have dropped in value, but ppl like me can plex for ISK, and the plexing helps the cause/whole militia. I put major dents in a lot of systems occupancy/contested levels. And I keep the enemy distracted along the way.

Raa has no stations for you to have been locked out of. Build a POS..

You're going to see tons of systems with no stations flipping because they aren't worth defending. Time is better spent farming offensive plexes elsewhere, or defending important systems like Kamela and Sahtogas.

Mehatoor is high sec next door to Raa - and has a station. The reason Raa was lost was because more Minmatar farmed it than Amarr who thought it was worth defending.

You're going to see tons of systems with no stations flipping because they aren't worth defending. Time is better spent farming offensive plexes elsewhere, or defending important systems like Kamela and Sahtogas.

Really Cearain, sometimes it seems like you don't understand the fundamental concepts involved with playing the FW occupancy game.

No. Amarr are short the number of systems we'd need to get out of Tier 1 warzone control even if we upgraded all of them. We were already short before we lost Raa. Without Raa, we're even farther from using our LP as other than toilet paper. We haven't a single system that isn't worth defending. The reality of the Amarr/Minmatar front is that the Minmatar won. There's a lot to be said about the ridiculous and artificial nature of their victory, but anyway the Amarr militia is defeated, have the bearing of the defeated, speak as the defeated, behave like the defeated, and although this may not be obvious, although there are efforts to disguise it, it's discernible enough.

I guess I'll take your word for it, but in the end last week I saw one person (Cynthia + her alt) occasionally in Raa whereas I saw 10 to 20 in Kamela and Sahtogas at all times.

[quote=X Gallentius]Yeah allot of us are more interested in pvp rather than pve.

Let's see who has more kills, Cynthia or Cearain.....

Cearain

Cynthia

Yup. Seems like Cynthia - a player more interested in plexing (allegedly) - has more kills than a player more interested in fights (allegedly). In the past two weeks, anybody in my corp has been able to get 20 kills in one night.

I joined FW to have "PvP available" but not really be commited full time. I have PvP'd for years and am just burnt out on it atm. I wanted to ISK up and just chill for a month or two. I did a ton of missions and did just that.

Along the way, I notice that many dedicated militia members kind of hate the mission runners.

Now: The mission LP have dropped in value, but ppl like me can plex for ISK, and the plexing helps the cause/whole militia. I put major dents in a lot of systems occupancy/contested levels. And I keep the enemy distracted along the way.

Do you want me to explain all the reasons why someone might have more kills over a 2 week period than someone else? Or can you think this through yourself and realize this is not in any way proof that closing plexes is not the best way to find pvp in faction war?

By all means let's hear them. Your kill totals / month are pretty subpar at best. It doesn't seem to me like you try very hard to get fights at all - whether in plexes or roaming pipes. In all seriousness, any one of the 100+ guys I've flown with over the past three weeks (in both Gallente and Minmatar FW space) easily get into more fights than you seem to find.

So wait, do you just have a REALLY limited time to play Cearain? Cause I have less than 2 hours a night, and have only been back on since the 18th from a couple of months of RL stuff. Yet I have more kills than you this month as well? OK, so the carrier wasn't in a plex, but most of the war target kills were in systems with plexes active or on plex gates, or inside the plex themselves. Just sayin.

Garr Earthbender

The reason Raa was lost was it was isolated from the people defending the saht area and trying to push back down that part of the pipe and for whatever reason (since I wasn't in contact with them), the people closer such as kam didn't defend it. I don't know if there are legitimate reasons or not.
Regardless of the fact, saying you don't want to pve for a week around Auga is a strawman argument. Either get yourself to the front line or hit their backyard. Just don't assume they will rush to defend it when occupancy is still well in their favour. When you get it closer to flipping, which shouldn't be that long if you are not contested in the plexes you will find the following
1) Lots of LP ready to go in the FW store when things are in your favour
2) The fights coming to you left right and centre as the blob moves to decontest those systems
3) The militia pilots fighting to save/push back around kam/saht will probably come for the mother of all battles vs the minnies.

Auga is perhaps the key to the fight at the moment - take it and some of those systems and the blob has to be in two places at once...

Btw, 3-6 hours per week playing EVE is *very* casual.

I do hope that is not the 'official' website of the Amarr player faction? The forums look completely dead

Btw, 3-6 hours per week playing EVE is *very* casual. Most people spend 2+ hours every day mindlessly watching TV, family or no. If you're smart, you have entirely dropped the bad habit of watching TV and spend all the gained time on EVE instead

For what it's worth, it's about the same for me.

It's certainly possible to play that amount and still have fun and be involved with things.

It can also be really frustrating when the hour or so you've got to play ends up with nothing happening. Or joining just after the fleet disbands. But there's not much that can be done about that.

Stuff about game time.

I would note that I assume that Wolfsbrigade does not seem to use it.

The Website is the most official killboard I know of. I didn't even really know it had a forum. I just use it as a killboard. I would note that I assume that Wolfsbrigade does not seem to use it. They would likely be at the top of the list. They are really the only major amarr corp I have heard of not using it. But like you say I am very casual so I might be wrong.

Son, that amarr killboard is about as 'not up to date' and 'broken' as can be and we really can't be bothered to use it because of that simple fact. Iirc it also doesn't recognize alliances in Amarr FW.

You should look up things on eve-kill for a more accurate picture.

This month we went/are going past 2000 kills as a corp/alliance. There has never been this much action.

Oh and i'll rally myself on Lock Out's opinion. CCP dealt a hand - you either play it or you fold.

Some of us, rumor has it, are really good at poker