The no docking rule is a real detriment to being able to get pvp frequently. It forces people to take more time with every reship and take more time with logistic crap. It's just a bad idea that was tacked on to what was otherwise well thought out changes. Perhaps it was the shock ccp needed to get people to do plexing again. But itGÇÖs no longer anything but a detriment to pvp.

Explain

Incursus gets a 50% bonus to repping power and you can fit two of them into your low slots. This leads to massive repping power. You need to blob or neut these things to kill them.

QCATS, the all time leading private corporation in FW kills, has quadrupled its daily number of kills since the patch. We've had no problems fighting 4 jumps into enemy territory. It seems the increase in pew vastly outweighs the costs in reshipping (so far).

Arguments I am seeing:

Permise 1: CCP made 15 different changes to faction war.

Premise 2: PVP and plexing has increased.

Conclusion: Therefore each and every one of the 15 changes was good and none of them could be bad.



While I agree that premise 1 and 2 are true the logic is horrible.


This is why the idea of lets "wait and see" what happens is illogical. The data won't answer what changes are causeing which results because there are simply too many changes at once. They are essentially confounding variables.

I think we will see the demand for those products drop; especially when prices for pirates ships (which tend to be superior) are holding steady.

How do you get 4 for 10k lp. I know the ship.....

No point. A certain Amarr roleplayer who shall remain nameless but has a last name of "Yoshida" will be bitter about everything associated with FW.

To be fair we'll need to see how long this lasts, but for now the pew is great and I expect lots of players to sign up as FW is reaching some sort of pew pew harmonic convergence.

To all the newer players out there. Gallente FW needs you! Join the FDU! 10k LP/ minor plex means you can buy 4 dual rep Incursus (these things are beasts) every 10 minutes!

Seems to me that datacore market manipulation by the reduced LP faction would be the way to go. Added bonus if you have ties with invention. But that is just a theory. vOv

How are you getting 10k comets? I thought you were at the same warzone control as us (tier 1) . What am I missing?

And I am not done yet. I still have allot more stuff to move around and *allot* more logistics to do to get ships into the new base. This sort of shuffling work makes me dread signing on the game. Being a casual player I know I will never base out of the faction war zone again. Not unless ccp removes this no docking rule and gives some assurance they wonGÇÖt implement it again.

The no docking rule is a real detriment to being able to get pvp frequently. It forces people to take more time with every reship and take more time with logistic crap. It's just a bad idea that was tacked on to what was otherwise well thought out changes.

Moreover fighting in plexes is a real pain when you can't repair rat damage except by going a few jumps out and coming back. (or using alts. yes there are options but none of them are good)

As far as the 16x multiplier yes it makes the losing sides lp pretty much worthless. But so long as there is no lp for defensive plexing I think the tides may turn.

Emphasizing that cost associated with not being able to reship is acknowledged. Also emphasizing the cost is less than the benefit of the 14 other things CCP has implemented.

Geez, have some fun and quit nitpicking game design. You have the fights you've always claimed you've wanted for the past 3 years. Enjoy them while you can.

Of course your side of the war is not 59 systems to 11 so you don't understand, but keep pretending amarr are just "nitpicking."

This will work if all the people with research agents are dumb and don't have their research alts getting the amarr datacores. How long do you think that will last?

I'm trying to in between trying move all my crap out of the war zone. With 2 pvp characters that I purposely spread fit ships and modules out throughout the zone it is not so easy. I don't have a carrier alt.

I'm a casual player and even though I'm on the opposing side, I have a similar problem.

This change has focused the war and created front lines where most of the action is.
These front lines can, and will, move. That will create lots of logistic issues, as you point out.
And that's what was needed - an incentive to fight!

Yes, I find myself away from the current front line and will have to deal with that to get fights. And that's just what I'll do.

Both sides will be trying to ship their stuff to (or possibly away from) the front lines, whereever they may be.
And that provides more targets (and a different play style) for everyone.

We have lots of incentives to fight under this new system. There is no need to create logistical issues to get pvp, or create mechanics where all the fighting only takes place in a few systems.



Good for you. If you are happy to be a space hauler I won't knock it. Its just not why I sign on.

I just want to emphasize that I am sayin YOU are nitpicking, not the Amarr. There are several Amarr corporations still based in low sec (Kamela, Sahtogas), as well as the hordes of Amarr in Eggelhende. It doesn't look like they will e kicked out any time soon.

Im not sure how Amaar works, but up here in Caldari space I can go into almost any system and get a 3 man fight. If I go into the main system areas yes blobs occur, but I usally go 6-15 jump in fw and always get a fight.

Logistics, shouldve thought about moving your stuff prior patch and if you really dont want to haul. Black Frog 40m

FYI Eggelhende is out of the war zone. So those hordes have already been kicked out. As for the others I guess it will depend on what you mean by "anytime soon."

Erm, why can't you (or a fleet mate) fit reps? You don't have to dock up somewhere to repair.

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That will be one of the balances, I think.
We have lots more plexes to defend, gaining no lp for doing it. Plus putting the lp we do get into upgrades.
You gain lp from the abundance of plexes you have to choose from.

And of course, we all now gain lp from shooting each other. \o/

So your bad planning doesn't make the patch bad it makes your situation bad. Your fault you didnt think about the logistics prior to patch. There is a 2 week long forum post about your view on station lockout. Theres no excuse you can make no saying "I cant get my stuff out" You knew about it and were a big proponent against it.

Yes both get the same lp for the same types of ships but your lp is several times more valuable than mine.

Oh I thought about it. And I took measures so I can get my stuff out. It just meant that I couldn't pvp as much.

I don't really like spending my time on eve hauling **** around. Its a tedious pain in the ass. If you like doing that, then certainly you will like the no docking rule.

Do any players based in Kamela and Sahtogas care to respond to this post? How long until you guys think you'll get kicked?

And it seems to me that Eggelhende is a great place to base out of. My corp did so last year and had no trouble reshipping since it's right next to the front lines of the fighting.