4 years as opposed to your 4 months .. that is why my opinion matters more than yours .. nublet..

4 years + 4 months. I trump you, and therefore my opinion means more than yours. nublet.

..Has any one figured out the distance we should be from the capture point to still be rewarded for our efforts?

A bit Wall-of-Texty, a few more spaces between paragraphs would be good .. but not unreadable

Re: Defensive Plexing. Having it fill up 'damaged' LP would make the LP drain a one time deal (until system flip) so counter productive .. have defensive plexes repair 25-50% of damaged LP however so that you at least get a bit while still requiring a re-investment.

Re: FW Missions. Has that been confirmed, that missions can go to any system that originally had hostile Sov? If so .. Holy Screw Up Batman!

- No NPC balancing. Amarr faction NPCs are terrible.

I like this idea I heard a couple of nights ago concerning capturing plexes: Must kill all npcs inside a plex to capture it in addition to the timer. Or at least have to kill certain 'triggers.'

..Crap.. I agree with everything you just said...

I like this idea I heard a couple of nights ago concerning capturing plexes: Must kill all npcs inside a plex to capture it in addition to the timer. Or at least have to kill certain 'triggers.'

I like this idea I heard a couple of nights ago concerning capturing plexes: Must kill all npcs inside a plex to capture it in addition to the timer. Or at least have to kill certain 'triggers.'

-Pro: Station lockout. I hated the whole thing at first, but it does bring more tension to FW, as evidenced by the vastly larger and more heated fights just prior to patch. Additionally it definitely gives that 'supply lines' feel.

Way to make me sound like a raving maniac .. I may have a stable full of dead'ish horses that I spend quite some time flogging, but outside the stable I am rather ordinary.

That idea is as old as the discussion about FW NPC balance ... one of the many "proofs" that CCP has been glossing over (read: ignoring) everything related to FW the past four years
Would be such a simple fix and solve some of the imbalances in that regard .. remaining would be the question of eWar and the NPCs tendency to involve themselves in the pew.

A bit Wall-of-Texty, a few more spaces between paragraphs would be good .. but not unreadable

Re: Defensive Plexing. Having it fill up 'damaged' LP would make the LP drain a one time deal (until system flip) so counter productive .. have defensive plexes repair 25-50% of damaged LP however so that you at least get a bit while still requiring a re-investment.

Re: FW Missions. Has that been confirmed, that missions can go to any system that originally had hostile Sov? If so .. Holy Screw Up Batman!

Again the intense fighting that occured before the patch was due to several different factors. Including the large economic incentives to owning systems, and the 5x shorter flip times. (yes the station lock out almost certainly contributed to this but that is theory crafting that we can't say is based on data because we don't have the other 2 major variables controled) If the intense fighting was due only to the station lock outs we would still see the intense fighting we saw before the patch.

I like all the changes.
Buff titans

-That crappily written story about militia "deserters". That thing pissed me off. I'm not a RPer, but the whole thing had a tone of "you don't like the changes that we're making without listening to any of your complaints, requests, pleading,begging, or posting for the last 4 years? You don't like that we ignored every single bug with FW that we have been made aware of for years and only created more, refuse to reset the warzone, and plan to lock you out of assets? You plan to leave militia because we blithly ignored you? well screw you! We'll right xan RP piece to call you 'deserters'!" Seriously its just an 'up yours' piece to the people who had for years hoped for some needed attention to FW only to get ham-handed and misguided responses. The attitude of the game creators to their customers represented by this little 'newspiece' is just sad.

For what its worth I read that RP piece as a teaser for DUST514 to suggest that members of the groundside empire militias were slipping away into the shadowy attractions of merc lifestyle.

My impressions so far have been largely positive.

That being said, I want to say I fundamentally believe Cearain is wrong in his objections.

The station lock out is bringing a front line and concentrating where the fighta are occurring so people can find them. It is also giving some consequences. The "casual" pvper who logs in once a week needs to adjust to base out of high sec. That's a given. If you can't log on/monitor the war zone to see if a system you base in is getting close to flipping, base where it can't flip. Otherwise, you can log in casually, get a few fights and/or run a few plexes (worst case defensive plex to save your system!!!) - this hasn't changed.

Yes, the Amarr are in a tight corner at this point in time. But we CAN fight out of it and push the minnies back IF people log in and fight. Yes Raa fell. It was too far away from 7th fleet to actively defend and that was also possibly the case for the people in Kamela. The strategic objectives will now be more defined around supply routes.

I realize that if we all log in more we can win this. But realistically I am not going to be able to log in more. If I wanted to face a situation where I had to either log in more often or be kicked out of my space I would be in null sec.

I don't understand how strategic objectives are defined along "supply routes." Don't neutrals bring most of your supplies in? They aren't effected by sov. I am not sure what you mean.

The question I must ask of those living in Egghelende is why we are not seeing more contesting of Auga and the other system BEHIND the current front lines? Go offensive plex the crap out of those systems and make the minnies split their focus or risk losing Auga etc... Downgrade their system upgrades so their LP bonus is reduced. Its currently at 4x. Drop their system upgrades and it will come down and make their LP worth less. You get LP for hitting these systems. They don't. They have to expend their LP to keep them at level 5...

I'm sure I will get some flames from some people for this. That's fine. Forums are for discussion. The main point is that for the first time in a long time, I am enjoying fighting in FW as there are consequences to my actions. That means there is sand in the sandbox, Eve FW is real and I AM THERE!!!

If we have to return to a station we can dock in to reship - it potentially limits your ability to rapidly ship up/ship down. Hence you will potentially stay closer to your systems when offensively plexing.

As for the PvP corps - if you hit those systems hard enough, you will get fights coming to you when they come to chase you out and/or decontest.

It's nice to see someone else understanding the 'bigger picture', even if they are the enemy.
You're right - Amarr can offensive plex all over the place now (possibly with a bit of travel time). You gain LP, take it away from us, and make us defensive plex for which we get nothing and pull us back from the front line. That is the balance.



I totally agree.

Cearain on the other hand, seems to want to have a pile of ships in a station, undock and pvp. Nothing else.
Which is fine. There are places you can do that (RvB comes to mind). FW now has more than that - those that want to will adapt as required.

I want FW to be improved and to have consequences added. I just didn't want it turned into null sec where it involves more grinding that fighting. I want the consequences to be tied to pvp not to pve.

In other words the vast majority of the fighting still has very little to do with any of the consequences of the occupancy war. There is still a wall between pve plexing and pvp. I want that to change. Others are just so busy cheerleading that they are missing this.