- The general campaign feeling. With a global campaign bonus, the "frontline" and the "behind enemy lines" feeling, it feels more like a big thing, and not just like a sum of random encounters.

You are ignoring basic guerrilla tactics, expecting to have lazy PVP just because you are in FW. I was against the changes prior because the station lock outs are a pretty big inconvenience....

Not with that attitude...

Why would it be so terrible for station lock outs to be removed again?

Do you think that everyones fighting right now JUST because it will lock the other guys out? If they are that in itself is not the goal to fight for... sooo kinda proves even more that its a dumb 0.0 mechanic thats got no place in low sec FW.

Not with that attitude...

Why would it be so terrible for station lock outs to be removed again?

Do you think that everyones fighting right now JUST because it will lock the other guys out? If they are that in itself is not the goal to fight for... sooo kinda proves even more that its a dumb 0.0 mechanic thats got no place in low sec FW.

If you hate a mechanic just because it's in 0.0, you're the one whose dumb.

I like the change, and I don't understand why it gets so much hate. If someone's offensively plexing a system, it is absolutely ridiculous that they just dock up whenever someone so much as comes near them. Station games are awful, boring, and pretty much a waste of everyone's time.

The change encourages pvp. If you're in a roaming gang or plexing in an opposing faction's system, you either engage (pvp) or get to a gate to get out (decent chance of pvp). Or you can warp to a safe and get scanned down.

My basic feedback is that FW and perhaps EVE isnt for me any more.

While we fight with superior numbers, or inferior numbers we consistently beat the caldari in pvp due to better fleet compositions and discipline (squids do not know the meaning of focus fire).

However our success in pvp does not reflect across the campaign. We could never lose a ship and would still lose the war simply because the caldari have more people willing to orbit buttons and PvE. Before i could chose when to pve and that would be tied to my income. Now i literally have to go orbit buttons. to stop my stations from being locked out.

This does sometimes lead to fights but most often will result in hours of nothing. Ive had no end of chasing plexers for a fight but they make it obvious they are not there for that.

There has been some new blood into the fw scene and that is good. I just wish i was not being encouraged to;

A) chase single frigates out plexes and around pipes for hours on end with little prospect of a fight, they will just return when im gone anyway
B) go 'behind enemy lines' and pve their back end systems
C) wherever i am, orbit a button with nothing to do for up to 50 minutes in a single plex. Even a recurring 10 minutes of nothing is turbo boring and i would rather mission for isk anyday.

So thats it basically, it feels like the consequences that have been introduced to FW are purely based on PvE rather than PvP. As if anyone needed another incentive to bear for isk, we were supposed to be incentivising PvP lol.

Can I have your Stuff?

C) wherever i am, orbit a button with nothing to do for up to 50 minutes in a single plex. Even a recurring 10 minutes of nothing is turbo boring and i would rather mission for isk anyday.

Do this in Okkamon or Eha, or soon in Ladistier (where Caldari live). You'll get fights, or eventually you will be able to grief them because they will have lost their system.

You seem to assume he will remain online 23/7.

He IS online 23/7.

Seriously, we need a new form of station lockout rant to keep this thread going.

Yeah you're right. ...

He IS online 23/7.

Seriously, we need a new form of station lockout rant to keep this thread going.

All due respect xg but all your ideas on these changes have always been 'tarded. On top of that you are make lemonade out of lemons kind of guy. Well i dont pay cash for lemons, i pay for a fun game that doesnt involve compulsory hours of doing absolutely nothing just to keep being able to dock in a station.

Yeah probably. What I see is that there are 4x more kills now than there were before the last patch - and it's been great. There was more action in FW low sec than almost any other part of Eve before the patch and now it's even greater.

...Caldari are plexing more that gallente by literally 150+ plexes a day. There is no PvP in 99% of those. All their successful bunker busts bar one are done when there is no opposition during 6am-10am tz.. When we are on there is usually a gf.

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As it is, we repel half a dozen busting attempts and run a few plexes but we still have 150 more plexes to run just to uncontest the system thats basically 4 days of round the clock deplexing lol.

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I dont know what the perfect solution is, i just fall back to where i was before the update, that station lockout is a terrible idea and that the lp value sea-saw is far too harsh and penalises newer players on the losing side far too much and is far too expensive to maintain and far to vulnerable to attack. We arnt a cohesive null sec alliance. It should be possible for one hard working corp or individual to do well in a faction even if the rest of the faction chooses to sit on their asses. As it stands that is not possible,

I acknowledged there was a lot more pvp and new blood. I had a record month for kills. That is not the point. The point is weve smashed the caldari time and again this month and were still losing a system per day. Weve smashed bunker busting fleet after bunker busting fleet but the systems still fall.

I have dozens of billions of isk, the financial side of this doesnt effect me but im not a role player like you who only flies gallente faction ships, something i share with most other people. You dont seem to give a **** that others want to experience more in this game than just a vni / ****** eni or comet. For those people the isk will be getting very dry indeed.

Its already hard to get people to fill roles in more expensive doctrines, everyone can fly a logi, but very few have them. This will get worse until fw is nothing more than T1 dessies and cruisers that scuffle in plexes and run in fear from the local pirate entities.

You have hit the nail on the head. Like I tried to get XG to admit - the plexing war is best done without a point in a pve ship.

Agreed. It does suck when you can crush your enemy on the battlefield time and again and they can still make headway through not engaging either because playing field is larger than the population (afk plexing alts), they have more wherewithall to orbit buttons than we do, or they dominate one TimeZone to bust bunkers. (The Caldari would say we're not adapting to the realities of war, but whatever.) This, I think is the downside of current mechanics -with both missions and plexes. Push a mission runner out of a mission and he just comes back after you leave. Push a plexer out of a plex and you get to orbit a button for a long period of time as your reward. Your "win" isn't. Hopefully CCP can solve these issues.


That aside, there are easy ways around financial and station lockout issues even if you don't want to plex for control, don't want to fly Gallente faction ships, or are only interested in casual pvp:

Financial: First note there are several low sec pirate entities who fly shiny stuff all the time who aren't in FW. How do they pull it off?

1) As of right now Gallente FW could pool its resources together and get to the baseline LP level by boosting all the systems it owns to the 1X level. However, it takes more teamwork now. Hundred of players are sitting on a sh** ton of LP due to plexing after this patch. Apply it all at once and we're back in business.
2) Run L4 FW missions and then do 1) above.
3) Run low sec anomolies.
4) Run L5 missions somewhere like Pellile, Murethand, Aeschee (all in or near FW area), or in southern Placid (few jumps from FW space).
5) Use the isk you have built up in FW to start another "Eve business" - like many FW players have already done.
6) Move to Minmatar FW and ***** in on their success. :)

Avoid Station Lock Out:

1) Move to a high sec station (non pirate), or
2) Move to a low sec non-FW station (pirate).
3) Drop militia for a day when your low sec system has been captured and move your sh** to another system.

Excuse me while i go run 17 plexes in murethand to undo the work done by some afk frigates last night. Yeah right.

Solution under current mechanics is to base out of a system with more FW players in it like Heyd or Nis, or Nenna where you would only have to do one plex at your leisure (while others do the other 16). Or base out of high sec Mesybier next door if you have a sec status above -5.0.

I love the current 4x pvp on steroids, and I wish there was an easier way to get it.

How does that address the fact that PvE activities are making systems vunerable? Tomorrow Pynekastoh will be lost. Then somewhere else the next day then somewhere else etc. Not due to excellent pvp though that might be happening here and there, not because of the new mechanics AT ALL, but because the spotlight that CCP has put on FW attracting new players.

Plexing war is best done in a pure pve ship IN BACKWATER systems or when other side is not online. PVP content increases as you get closer to home systems and the home system's timezone.

I challenge you to take Kourm with PvE ships.

Solution under current mechanics is to base out of a system with more FW players in it like Heyd or Nis, or Nenna where you would only have to do one plex at your leisure (while others do the other 16). Or base out of high sec Mesybier next door if you have a sec status above -5.0.

I love the current 4x pvp on steroids, and I wish there was an easier way to get it.

But in the system they set up why would I choose kourm? Kourm doesn't give any special advantages than say todifraun. If I really wanted to play to win this whole plexing game I would be hitting those systems and ninja plexing like a sasawong. IMO that is a problem. The only reason people are getting so much pvp is because they are making decisions to not really trying to win the war but instead to pvp instead.

You're the guy who wants pvp "on demand", and is only interested in plexing to get fights, remember? You know how to get it. Go to Kourm. You don't want pvp? Go to todifraun.

sasawong is interested in occupancy warfare and knows how to win it. He also has a sh**ton of kills.

There are easier ways. Notify us when plexes are being taken. Its that simple.

Also stop the station lockouts. All that time Crosi is spending orbittting buttons he could be spending doing pvp.