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Kasriel
154
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:24:00 -
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how about a good reason why this was pushed live when it was obviously unfinished?
how about a good reason why you won't either make it optional or at the least push it back to the test server for the y'know TESTING |
bongpacks
Mudbug Acquisition Of Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:28:00 -
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I'm no more happy about these changes than anyone else. I live in w-space so I spend a decent amount of time working with a POS. These new changes have really interfered with my play style as I have to factor in at least an extra 20-40 seconds before I can access anything. Then I have to deal with seeing the 60+ batteries in the tree in which my ship maintenance arrays are mixed in, so I have to scroll around through all the batteries to find my ship maints and of course they bear the same icons as everything else. Not only that I have to go ahead and just open one ship maint from the tree and hope it's the one I want because of course we can't name the ship maintenance arrays so you can't tell one from the other without opening it and waiting the 20 seconds or so for the contents to load. Having to click the open cargohold button then having to shift+click the cargohold of my ship in the tree just to have an independent cargohold as I'm accustomed to is a pain in the butt considering I have to do it EVERY SINGLE TIME I switch ships. Why can I not shift+click the corporate hangar array from the tree and have it open in a separate window but I can shift+click a division within said corporate hangar array? Why are pos batteries even a part of the unified inventory and if they must be why are they not in a group by themselves? I haven't even tried salvaging or using cargo containers yet as frankly I've been scared to even see how bad that must be with the new system. As it stands any situation that would require a fast ship change such as swapping ships to go help a corp mate who has tackle on someone or swapping into a cloaked ship because a corp mate has spotted an intruder jumping into the wormhole so I can remain unseen to up the chances of getting a kill are out of the question with these appalling load times. I vote for a roll back to the previous system so the new one can be fully tested and refined on the TEST SERVER, which is the appropriate place for such a thing. On a completely unrelated note, when I log off at my POS or in space on my main toon and log on to my alt toon on the same account, my main stays in space for an undetermined amount of time but I can tell you it's greater than half an hour. If I wanted I could easily scan myself down, swap ships, warp to and point and kill myself as could anyone else. It's been a bug (god I hope it's a bug) for a couple years now and I've mentioned it a few times before on the forums but never got a reply as per the norm. I think the only direct reply I've ever gotten on the forums from a dev or GM was to clear my cache which of course is a standard canned answer and didn't help. Seems like the devs and GMs only reply to off-topic compliments and non-core issues while they ignore anyone with genuine complaints about severe game-breaking issues. It might be mean to say but maybe another in-game protest and the threat of another round of lay-offs might force them to roll back and consider using the test server for it's intended purpose while leaving TQ as functional as it can be for the general player base. |
SillyWaif
14
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:29:00 -
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The whole Unified inventory is kinda messed up *) we have an "Assets window" which is my inventory in space but is not in the inventory (luckily) *) we have the corp hangars in the inventory which is a Corp thing and it should be there imho
*) wrecks in space should open in their own window Now the window replaces your cargo hold window if you just click 'Open box icon" which is the natural thing to click on. If you do want it in its own window you should SHIFT-click the icon... The forced usage SHIFT key is really annoying.
The intent of the Unified inventory was to reduce the number of (open) windows while in effect I WANT the same number of windows open. Only now i have to go through an inconsistent (SHIFT) click-fest to get there It totally defies its purpose ... |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1371
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:29:00 -
[124] - Quote
Please let us choose which system we want to use, give us an option to roll back if we want to.
While you guys claim you are listening to feedback, when did you START listening? Because it is quite obvious that you didnt listen to feedback about it when people reported problems while this crap interface was still on Sisi. Hmmm |
Lord Loco
LOCO TRUST
39
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:29:00 -
[125] - Quote
Kasriel wrote:how about a good reason why this was pushed live when it was obviously unfinished?
how about a good reason why you won't either make it optional or at the least push it back to the test server for the y'know TESTING
The reason why they do it not optional ist that the people will not use the new UI crap after this |
SoHo White
Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium
6
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:29:00 -
[126] - Quote
I've never complained about any change or patch CCP has made in the last 7 years and lets be honest some have been worthy of complaint.
But I am complaining about this !
The Inventory UI is rubbish, please can I have the old one back ?
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Djavue
Ghetto Booty Development
6
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:31:00 -
[127] - Quote
like why you even do this stuff ccp lol |
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
155
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:38:00 -
[128] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Please let us choose which system we want to use, give us an option to roll back if we want to.
While you guys claim you are listening to feedback, when did you START listening? Because it is quite obvious that you didnt listen to feedback about it when people reported problems while this crap interface was still on Sisi.
First CSM member who trying to save the players' interests. Bud you a littlebit late. :P
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Pflepsen
Elko Bail Bonds Quixotic Hegemony
5
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:48:00 -
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alittlebirdy wrote:Are you people this ******* stupid ROLL IT BACK THATS THE FIX.
and I WANT SOUNDWAVE FIRED
TONS of people looking for jobs LETS GET ONES WHO CAN DO THE JOB WELL. HELL YES!! FIRE HIM! BURN HIM ALIVE! Remove EVERYTHING about the new inventory! |
Cuchulin
DEFCON. The Initiative.
8
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:49:00 -
[130] - Quote
Since one cant be sure that you monitore the old thread about this clusterfuck:
Quote:Biggest issues for me:
- when in space I have my cargo window open to see how much cap boosters/ ammo is left, this window (even with tree minimized and such) takes now up more space which I dislike because I would like to see my ship and the ship it makes explode -> please make the little volume bar and the isk ammount optional and consider making the frame of the whole thing thinner
- after successfull exploding an enemy ship I am using a loot tab in my overview to quickly open the wreck and cherrypick whatever was not fail of my opponents fitting, this is now broken as it opens the wreck view in my already open cargo window with tree minimzed and such, so that it is impossible to actualy loot anything if I dont want to use the "loot all" feature -> if you do nothing else but this then please please please (did I mention please) have wrecks always open in a new separate window (in minimal mode without tree and whatnot) when accessed by any other means but the tree view
- shift clicking is a bad UI choice especially when in space and I have one hand at my mouse and one hand near the function keys to explode stuff and such... particularly in these situations I am apparently laging a third hand to do the shift thingy....to be fair though, I might use the third hand for something else even if I had it...
- I was nearly killed yesterday because I wanted to look into a wreck and my client locked up for about 5 secs, at the point when my client became responsive again I noticed a hostile ceptor burning towards me which I only escaped by luck (or fail of the ceptor pilot) -> in space every second counts, any lag associated with opening a jetcan or wreck is totaly and utterly unacceptable, I suspect the lag is introduced because in addition to the content of the wreck the new inventory wants to show me all the other shiny wrecks possibly nearby ? Also it wants to calculate isk amount and show me the route to the nearest McDonalds ? If so..... stop that **** and make cargo/jetcan/wreck views totaly separate from the new system
- I dont see a way to distinguish between an actualy empty corp hanagar and one that I just dont have access to, since in both case "Nothing found" is stated....this is suboptimal at the least.... (and yes it is necessary to have non accessible corp hangars in your tree, because some people need to be able to drop stuff in such hangars even though they cant see what is in it and cant take stuff out again...)
in addition:
- double click on a non active ship in my hangar should open the cargohold of said ship (in a new separate window) and not make said ship active as this is highly counterintuitive from usual windows behavior where double click opens folder
- since the new inventory is pretty much the windows explorer.... a back button is desperatly needed !
- the old coprhangar view with multiple tabs on the top was much more userfriendly then having to shiftlick and open all userhangars separatly
Cuchulin |
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Tez Saurus
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
65
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:52:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote:Darius III wrote:Please let us choose which system we want to use, give us an option to roll back if we want to.
While you guys claim you are listening to feedback, when did you START listening? Because it is quite obvious that you didnt listen to feedback about it when people reported problems while this crap interface was still on Sisi. First CSM member who trying to save the players' interests. Bud you a littlebit late. :P
It's posturing to make himself look good; he sits in a chatroom with devs, if a CSM needs to tell CCP something they don't do it on a forum thread, they actually talk to the devs. |
Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2012.05.27 16:54:00 -
[132] - Quote
alittlebirdy wrote:Are you people this ******* stupid ROLL IT BACK THATS THE FIX.
and I WANT SOUNDWAVE FIRED
TONS of people looking for jobs LETS GET ONES WHO CAN DO THE JOB WELL.
CCP Soundwave:
IIRC you were called in once more senior folk in your company realized that this 'improvement' was a true stinker. -- Thank you for watching over the various Threadnaughts during the long holiday weekend -- Thank you for your oversight in trying to fix this stinker. -- Hang tough
Please make repairs to this thing on Sisi. Goodwill to be gained rolling it back. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3597
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:09:00 -
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1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
84
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:13:00 -
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alittlebirdy wrote:Are you people this ******* stupid ROLL IT BACK THATS THE FIX.
and I WANT SOUNDWAVE FIRED
TONS of people looking for jobs LETS GET ONES WHO CAN DO THE JOB WELL.
This.
I want soundwave head aswell.. this is absurdly stupid.
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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:14:00 -
[135] - Quote
The smart playerbase would be understand, when a CCP member, tell to us why so import this inventory for EVE client. What there is in the background ??? Why they want to put trought this our throat at all costs ?
The players maybe would forgive if they would be known the real reasons
But the CCP still saying nothing. |
1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
88
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:14:00 -
[136] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Please let us choose which system we want to use, give us an option to roll back if we want to.
While you guys claim you are listening to feedback, when did you START listening? Because it is quite obvious that you didnt listen to feedback about it when people reported problems while this crap interface was still on Sisi.
Sounds like i need to vote for you on next CSM ...... |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1378
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:16:00 -
[137] - Quote
Ribikoka wrote: First CSM member who trying to save the players' interests. Bud you a littlebit late. :P
I have made other posts, and posted in the CSM/CCP forums that this inventory system is trash, and have requested a rollback and also requested that they make the system OPTIONAL.
Tez Saurus wrote:
It's posturing to make himself look good; he sits in a chatroom with devs, if a CSM needs to tell CCP something they don't do it on a forum thread, they actually talk to the devs.
It is not posturing mate, and I dont give a rats ass about "looking good" for the community or anyone else.
As someone who plays eve over 3,000 hours a year, the inventory system is a slap in the face. CCP is showing that they are willing to put forth an unfinished update, that is near universally hated and has done this despite volumes of feedback from the community. I will not be renewing my subscriptions on non-essential alt accounts.
Like the last failed addition to Eve-Incarna, this patch adds lag, takes away functionality, and is despised by the people who actually use it. It is a real shame that they wont do the right thing: Roll it back and make it optional when reintroduced.
It is almost as if they put their image to outsiders before customer wants/needs. They seem to feel that the inventory changes are an "improvement" and more click and scrolling = more fun. If the changes are an improvement, then make them optional and let the players choose.
While CCP says they are listening to us, if they were listening before, this never would have went live. If they are listening to us, then they would roll it back. They say they are making fixes ASAP to some of it, they also say that they dont have fixes for some of the other bits, and I guess we will just have to suffer through it.
CCP: do us a favor-instead of claiming to listen to us and make fixes, ACTUALLY LISTEN TO US and roll back this turd till it is fixed then let us choose if we would like to use the new Inventory system. Hmmm |
Galena Pleiades
Czerka. The Methodical Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:16:00 -
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I would like to add my twopence halfpennies worth - This Inventory change is crap. Please return to separate windows for Cargo and Items, and return right-clicking for drone bay as well. I like to see at a glance what I have . With two separate windows it's easy enough to drag and drop. I've also found it awkward trying to put in a partial amount of cargo. e.g. Taking 500 units instead of 1000. - At very least, as in Captain's Quarter's give us the choice to opt out. Just because some guy thinks that he/she has come up with a good idea, does not mean that it is a good idea. |
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:16:00 -
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I want your Revelation in Amarr, because i want to shot monument there . |
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:18:00 -
[140] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Ribikoka wrote: First CSM member who trying to save the players' interests. Bud you a littlebit late. :P
I have made other posts, and posted in the CSM/CCP forums that this inventory system is trash, and have requested a rollback and also requested that they make the system OPTIONAL. Tez Saurus wrote:
It's posturing to make himself look good; he sits in a chatroom with devs, if a CSM needs to tell CCP something they don't do it on a forum thread, they actually talk to the devs.
It is not posturing mate, and I dont give a rats ass about "looking good" for the community or anyone else. As someone who plays eve over 3,000 hours a year, the inventory system is a slap in the face. CCP is showing that they are willing to put forth an unfinished update, that is near universally hated and has done this despite volumes of feedback from the community. I will not be renewing my subscriptions on non-essential alt accounts. Like the last failed addition to Eve-Incarna, this patch adds lag, takes away functionality, and is despised by the people who actually use it. It is a real shame that they wont do the right thing: Roll it back and make it optional when reintroduced. It is almost as if they put their image to outsiders before customer wants/needs. They seem to feel that the inventory changes are an "improvement" and more click and scrolling = more fun. If the changes are an improvement, then make them optional and let the players choose. While CCP says they are listening to us, if they were listening before, this never would have went live. If they are listening to us, then they would roll it back. They say they are making fixes ASAP to some of it, they also say that they dont have fixes for some of the other bits, and I guess we will just have to suffer through it. CCP: do us a favor-instead of claiming to listen to us and make fixes, ACTUALLY LISTEN TO US and roll back this turd till it is fixed then let us choose if we would like to use the new Inventory system.
+1 |
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Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:22:00 -
[141] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:alittlebirdy wrote:Are you people this ******* stupid ROLL IT BACK THATS THE FIX.
and I WANT SOUNDWAVE FIRED
TONS of people looking for jobs LETS GET ONES WHO CAN DO THE JOB WELL. This. I want soundwave head aswell.. this is absurdly stupid.
Hello 1of9:
It is CCP Optimal and CCP Arrow who gave us this mess. Soundwave's been called in to limit the damage and do what's possible to fix the mess.
Fingers crossed for a rollback. |
Lord Loco
LOCO TRUST
41
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:23:00 -
[142] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Ribikoka wrote: First CSM member who trying to save the players' interests. Bud you a littlebit late. :P
I have made other posts, and posted in the CSM/CCP forums that this inventory system is trash, and have requested a rollback and also requested that they make the system OPTIONAL. Tez Saurus wrote:
It's posturing to make himself look good; he sits in a chatroom with devs, if a CSM needs to tell CCP something they don't do it on a forum thread, they actually talk to the devs.
It is not posturing mate, and I dont give a rats ass about "looking good" for the community or anyone else. As someone who plays eve over 3,000 hours a year, the inventory system is a slap in the face. CCP is showing that they are willing to put forth an unfinished update, that is near universally hated and has done this despite volumes of feedback from the community. I will not be renewing my subscriptions on non-essential alt accounts. Like the last failed addition to Eve-Incarna, this patch adds lag, takes away functionality, and is despised by the people who actually use it. It is a real shame that they wont do the right thing: Roll it back and make it optional when reintroduced. It is almost as if they put their image to outsiders before customer wants/needs. They seem to feel that the inventory changes are an "improvement" and more click and scrolling = more fun. If the changes are an improvement, then make them optional and let the players choose. While CCP says they are listening to us, if they were listening before, this never would have went live. If they are listening to us, then they would roll it back. They say they are making fixes ASAP to some of it, they also say that they dont have fixes for some of the other bits, and I guess we will just have to suffer through it. CCP: do us a favor-instead of claiming to listen to us and make fixes, ACTUALLY LISTEN TO US and roll back this turd till it is fixed then let us choose if we would like to use the new Inventory system.
+1 vote |
Ketov Aktar
Grey Wolff
5
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:27:00 -
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While you guys are working on this, would it be a possibility to make the font in the Index window a bit bolder or colored so that is is a bit easier to read? It is hard to read when docked in station environment at this time. Also the sound for energy weapons do not work correctly. Thanks for working this weekend btw |
Erth Paradine
TriFlexure
15
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:33:00 -
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Oh, so NOW you're finally wiling to fix what's been broken since day one. Remind me, what's the point of SiSi again? |
DazedOne
The Crabbit S O L A R I S
30
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:36:00 -
[145] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Please let us choose which system we want to use, give us an option to roll back if we want to.
While you guys claim you are listening to feedback, when did you START listening? Because it is quite obvious that you didnt listen to feedback about it when people reported problems while this crap interface was still on Sisi.
Good to see one of our CSM actually taking a stance on how this abomination is an atrocity on everyone who has massive amounts of inventory. Roll this steaming pile of crap back to the old system which functioned just fine.
Those of you who still plan on playing this game vote out the rest of our worthless CSM and get people in there that wont slob the knob of CCP. We need people that will genuinely represent the players not most of these yes men waiting on their next trip to Iceland.
Roll it Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
1100
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:36:00 -
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Krystyn wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:The reception of the Unified Inventory seems to be somewhat less than perfect as some of the functionality is not in the state as it should be. We are listening carefully to your good and welcome feedback and treat it serious. Without further ado, let me present a Sunday devblog by CCP Soundwave about the first round of Unified Inventory improvements, read all about these changes here. Please use this thread for feedback, thank you. That's a diplomatic way of putting it. Nice to see you treating it seriously and taking fast action to rectify the imperfections. Yep, absolutely. Getting this into a state where you guys like it is the first priority right now. One wonders why this was implemented as such in the first place. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind who would push this half done...(can't say it politely)... Is there some internal CCP memorandum that you have to push out patches at a certain rate? If so you need to toss that memo out with the TPS reports because you are destroying your customer base with these ill conceived up(down)grades. I would rather wait awhile for the programming to be thoroughly tested and worked over on the test server and then advertised heavily on how the new UI changes will work and how to replicate the previous functionality and that needs to be the starting point for any and all UI changes.
While I do already like the new system for saving me the clutter of the windows and the new filters and stuff and am immensely happy about all the other changes mentioned in the blog I do have to agree with this to an extent.
Clarified to:
-Give it time on SiSi to have the living **** beat out of it -Create VERY thorough guides on the new system
The Drake is a Lie |
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
159
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:36:00 -
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Lord Loco wrote:Darius III wrote:Ribikoka wrote: First CSM member who trying to save the players' interests. Bud you a littlebit late. :P
I have made other posts, and posted in the CSM/CCP forums that this inventory system is trash, and have requested a rollback and also requested that they make the system OPTIONAL. Tez Saurus wrote:
It's posturing to make himself look good; he sits in a chatroom with devs, if a CSM needs to tell CCP something they don't do it on a forum thread, they actually talk to the devs.
It is not posturing mate, and I dont give a rats ass about "looking good" for the community or anyone else. As someone who plays eve over 3,000 hours a year, the inventory system is a slap in the face. CCP is showing that they are willing to put forth an unfinished update, that is near universally hated and has done this despite volumes of feedback from the community. I will not be renewing my subscriptions on non-essential alt accounts. Like the last failed addition to Eve-Incarna, this patch adds lag, takes away functionality, and is despised by the people who actually use it. It is a real shame that they wont do the right thing: Roll it back and make it optional when reintroduced. It is almost as if they put their image to outsiders before customer wants/needs. They seem to feel that the inventory changes are an "improvement" and more click and scrolling = more fun. If the changes are an improvement, then make them optional and let the players choose. While CCP says they are listening to us, if they were listening before, this never would have went live. If they are listening to us, then they would roll it back. They say they are making fixes ASAP to some of it, they also say that they dont have fixes for some of the other bits, and I guess we will just have to suffer through it. CCP: do us a favor-instead of claiming to listen to us and make fixes, ACTUALLY LISTEN TO US and roll back this turd till it is fixed then let us choose if we would like to use the new Inventory system. +1 vote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1374469#post1374469 And what say from this CSM member answer ? :P |
Aroye
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:38:00 -
[148] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Please let us choose which system we want to use, give us an option to roll back if we want to.
While you guys claim you are listening to feedback, when did you START listening? Because it is quite obvious that you didnt listen to feedback about it when people reported problems while this crap interface was still on Sisi.
Did CCP ever rollback any change to the game? They don't have a reverse gear! So it seems we are stuck with this "enhanced UI". If only it worked more than half the time I could tolarate it. |
Zora stein
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:47:00 -
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Just make a box we can click to use our classic UI instead of this new garbage UI.If microsoft windows can do it im sure you can.You guys sure are a stubborn bunch at ccp.With decisions like keeping this UI its a wonder your still around. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
117
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Posted - 2012.05.27 17:54:00 -
[150] - Quote
I think CCP should actually roll back the inventory system because by the time they are done making changes to make it as functional as the old system, it will actually be the old system. Move your resources away from the inventory and put it on things that actually need it, that were and are broken. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
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