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Bjron
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Posted - 2009.09.24 20:45:00 -
[871]
Originally by: Caldor Mansi
Originally by: Bjron
if I wanted to play space ships offline, i would play free lancer, or Privateer 2, or any of the many space games that are single player.
Why play a mmo by your self? I thought the point of a MMo was to play with others?
Motives and interests of people varies from person to person. Why not accomodate more different people instead of focusing on one type of gameplay? Do you think that people in NPC corps have no role in EVE or are something less then PVPers? Where do you think all that salvage, minerals, faction ammo and named items come from?
Originally by: Julian Lynq
I am pretty sure they will at a later point include changes to hamper 1 man corps.
Even then tho the lone wolf players will still just life with the tax. Even if they raise it to absurd levels.
I am affraid so.
if a person wishes to play with as few as he can, fine, but there needs to be a place for the people who do, and not hopping from corp to corp hiding from war decs and tax.
So, if we are going to go that route of focusing on one type of gameplay, what if CCP is trying to give a nod to the corp people and the people who like to play that way? The people who think its not right or fair ( note that I dont care ) that some people can sit around in a starter corp and not pay taxes and not get war decd.
What about the people who like to be in corps large and small, and think its un fair to them, that they cant get away with paying 0% tax and have to put up with war decs?
Sure these people can go back to the starter corp, but what if they like having a hand in a player run one?
The story has two sides.
Right now, one side gets away with 0% tax and no war decs against them, the other play style gets no such break, even taking the taxs out of this, they are still not immune to war.
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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2009.09.24 20:55:00 -
[872]
Not every corp charges 11% tax. Some charge more, some charge less, some donŠt charge any at all.
There are alot unique advantages of being in a player corporation (which is the reason that many people are).
Additionally we are allready proposing ideas to make player corporations even more attractive in an attempt to show ccp means of gamedesign practices that use carrots instead of sticks. |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:02:00 -
[873]
Edited by: baltec1 on 24/09/2009 21:03:46
Originally by: Bjron
I think they should use subway on sticks, would work better.
I would bite and with that in mind welcome to page 30
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Caldor Mansi
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:04:00 -
[874]
Edited by: Caldor Mansi on 24/09/2009 21:06:01
Originally by: Bjron
if a person wishes to play with as few as he can, fine, but there needs to be a place for the people who do, and not hopping from corp to corp hiding from war decs and tax.
So, if we are going to go that route of focusing on one type of gameplay, what if CCP is trying to give a nod to the corp people and the people who like to play that way? The people who think its not right or fair ( note that I dont care ) that some people can sit around in a starter corp and not pay taxes and not get war decd.
What about the people who like to be in corps large and small, and think its un fair to them, that they cant get away with paying 0% tax and have to put up with war decs?
Sure these people can go back to the starter corp, but what if they like having a hand in a player run one?
The story has two sides.
Right now, one side gets away with 0% tax and no war decs against them, the other play style gets no such break, even taking the taxs out of this, they are still not immune to war.
No, story has not 2 sides. Those stories you have just invented in your head. Focusing on one type of gameplay is not only uneccessary but also unhappy move for the game.
If someone joins player corp, there is nothing unfair. It is his choice of free will, agreement between two subjects. You like it, do it. You don't like it, don't.
And that is what this change is about. It does not make anyone like PC corps. It makes people annoyed only.
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Tuscanspeed
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:07:00 -
[875]
Originally by: Bjron
Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: Bjron got to page 14
Great. Your making progress.
Sorry but please understand that i am unwilling to rephrase everything from the previous pages only because you do not manage to read past page 14.
Since you have acknoledged that you are not interested in a serious discussion of this thread and are only trying to troll, may i then report your subsequentive posts for trolling this thread ?
If you feel the need to report me, go ahead.
I am trying to figure it out, but every time I try, come to the place, this whole thread is about some thing that affects nothing important.
People are upset over 11% tax that really only affects 2-5% of the income of a misson runner in a NPC corp who get to go on every day free from war-decs.
Or, people are upset that this will do nothing and that it is a stupid move?
thats pretty much it.
That's the whole point. This change does nothing except waste dev time and resources.
Things we can all agree is bad given how many other things they could be using their time on. Never have been. Never will be. An Alt. |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:09:00 -
[876]
Originally by: Caldor Mansi
And that is what this change is about. It does not make anyone like PC corps. It makes people annoyed only.
Im not annoyed by this change that patches up the tax loophole my alt has been abusing.
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goazer
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:09:00 -
[877]
Does the new change include faction warfare militias too?
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:11:00 -
[878]
I think the CCP team should dress as tax collectors at Fan Fest, just to see what happens ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:11:00 -
[879]
Originally by: goazer Does the new change include faction warfare militias too?
No it does not |
Caldor Mansi
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:13:00 -
[880]
Originally by: baltec1
Im not annoyed by this change that patches up the tax loophole my alt has been abusing.
What loophole? NPC or 1 man corp makes no difference.
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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:13:00 -
[881]
Originally by: Serge Bastana I think the CCP team should dress as tax collectors at Fan Fest, just to see what happens
What does a tax collector look like ?
I have never had anyone actually come to my apparment and collect taxes in person |
Caldor Mansi
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:19:00 -
[882]
Edited by: Caldor Mansi on 24/09/2009 21:22:42 Edited by: Caldor Mansi on 24/09/2009 21:20:20
Originally by: Tuscanspeed
That's the whole point. This change does nothing except waste dev time and resources.
Things we can all agree is bad given how many other things they could be using their time on.
It is not this single change but it indicates something rotten in development team if this can go through.
This is not first change we have seen lately that lacks coherence, creativity and some solid reasoning with understanding and addressing the real issue. The suggested titan changes are made in similarmanner and I dare to say that whole sov revamp bears the same marks...
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IVeige
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:28:00 -
[883]
Originally by: Bjron 27 pages over play internet money?
WTF?
Wanna bet how many pages for 30 % tax ??????
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:29:00 -
[884]
Edited by: baltec1 on 24/09/2009 21:31:48
Originally by: Caldor Mansi
Originally by: baltec1
Im not annoyed by this change that patches up the tax loophole my alt has been abusing.
What loophole? NPC or 1 man corp makes no difference.
No cost for having concord punch a prite in the face with gods fist? I have yet to see an alliance that can deploy that kind of firepower in seconds let alone a corp. The new tax is warrented.
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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:31:00 -
[885]
Originally by: IVeige
Originally by: Bjron 27 pages over play internet money?
WTF?
Wanna bet how many pages for 30 % tax ??????
its not about the amount of tax. 5% 11% 30% 50% 80% doesnŠt matter at all. itŠs about unintelligent game design. |
IVeige
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:38:00 -
[886]
Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: IVeige
Originally by: Bjron 27 pages over play internet money?
WTF?
Wanna bet how many pages for 30 % tax ??????
its not about the amount of tax. 5% 11% 30% 50% 80% doesnŠt matter at all. itŠs about unintelligent game design.
Explain why is it unintelligent ?
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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:39:00 -
[887]
Originally by: IVeige
Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: IVeige
Originally by: Bjron 27 pages over play internet money?
WTF?
Wanna bet how many pages for 30 % tax ??????
its not about the amount of tax. 5% 11% 30% 50% 80% doesnŠt matter at all. itŠs about unintelligent game design.
Explain why is it unintelligent ?
read the thread. |
goazer
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:49:00 -
[888]
Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: goazer Does the new change include faction warfare militias too?
No it does not
Perfect.
There is no risk to be ganked by enemy militias in your high sec areas. All mission alts just will join FW militias.
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Tuscanspeed
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:53:00 -
[889]
Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: goazer Does the new change include faction warfare militias too?
No it does not
So it's not "ALL" NPC corps, just "SOME"?
oooooo k. That makes sense. Never have been. Never will be. An Alt. |
Bjron
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:53:00 -
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No, story has not 2 sides. Those stories you have just invented in your head. Focusing on one type of gameplay is not only uneccessary but also unhappy move for the game.
If someone joins player corp, there is nothing unfair. It is his choice of free will, agreement between two subjects. You like it, do it. You don't like it, don't.
And that is what this change is about. It does not make anyone like PC corps. It makes people annoyed only.
On one had you have people immune to war, and under concord insta help, free from taxes. These people stay in the NPC corp for this very reason, no taxes and no wars.
Nothing about the tax is unfair, dont like it, free will your way into a different corp with less or no taxes.
It does not annoy me, its fine, It might not change a lot, but I dont care if the tax is there or not.
11% is a fair price to pay for war immuinty and concord help.
But, what about the people in the PC? Hmm, if we take taxes out of this, or say taxes are equal, then what about war immune? They are not war immune.
This will not hurt a new player as the tax is not applyed to small mission rewards or bountys. This tax will hardly scratch the mission runner who loots and salvages.
So whay complain about it, if CCP wants to do it, they will, going on and on in this thread will not stop it.
Did you ever stop to think that CCP has a larger plan that you cant see?
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Yokohead
BulletProof Monks Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:54:00 -
[891]
Hahaha I can't believe this has hit 30 bloody pages.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:54:00 -
[892]
Originally by: goazer
Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: goazer Does the new change include faction warfare militias too?
No it does not
Perfect.
There is no risk to be ganked by enemy militias in your high sec areas. All mission alts just will join FW militias.
I attacked in gal high sec when in the squid navy. Seems a geddon can get into a belt, pop a hauler and mining barge and get out before the navy can deal with me. Then there was the mass caracal fleets
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Harisdrop
Gallente Copia-WarRages Armaments
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:15:00 -
[893]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: goazer
Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: goazer Does the new change include faction warfare militias too?
No it does not
Perfect.
There is no risk to be ganked by enemy militias in your high sec areas. All mission alts just will join FW militias.
I attacked in gal high sec when in the squid navy. Seems a geddon can get into a belt, pop a hauler and mining barge and get out before the navy can deal with me. Then there was the mass caracal fleets
Hey lets save these posts until after the expansion. We cant ruin the FW npc corps fun can we. I love CCP and the person that brought this out about tax is great.
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Ashina Sito
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:23:00 -
[894]
Originally by: Bjron
11% is a fair price to pay for war immuinty and concord help.
CONCORD helps pilots in PC as well as NPC corps so that half of the argument fails.
Ashina did not have war immunity when she is fighting in low/0.0 sec space. considering I spend about half, or more, of my time in 0.0 the whole war dec immunity does not apply. If you want to shoot me come and get me in 0.0.
I just finished running a 10/10 site in 0.0. Did it was a number of other people... all members of CAS. We had intended to jump the local Alliance pilots that were scanning it out but they left and we were stuck running the site ourselves. Had 2 fleets move thought the system, 79 pilots in one, 47 in the other. We completed the site without getting shot at by the PC's that came though. Were we Immune? I think not. After this patch would we all be assessed a 11% tax on the bounties, yes we would. All with No CONCORD and freely available to be shot at by anyone who wishes. Why am I still paying tax?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:29:00 -
[895]
Originally by: Ashina Sito
Originally by: Bjron
11% is a fair price to pay for war immuinty and concord help.
CONCORD helps pilots in PC as well as NPC corps so that half of the argument fails.
Ashina did not have war immunity when she is fighting in low/0.0 sec space. considering I spend about half, or more, of my time in 0.0 the whole war dec immunity does not apply. If you want to shoot me come and get me in 0.0.
I just finished running a 10/10 site in 0.0. Did it was a number of other people... all members of CAS. We had intended to jump the local Alliance pilots that were scanning it out but they left and we were stuck running the site ourselves. Had 2 fleets move thought the system, 79 pilots in one, 47 in the other. We completed the site without getting shot at by the PC's that came though. Were we Immune? I think not. After this patch would we all be assessed a 11% tax on the bounties, yes we would. All with No CONCORD and freely available to be shot at by anyone who wishes. Why am I still paying tax?
So you dont ever get a war dec in high sec which would prove problematic for those people who only ever stay in high sec and dont take the risks you do. Quite honestly your the kind of carebear I like, you can adapt, and I have no doubt you will adapt to this.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:50:00 -
[896]
Originally by: Ashina Sito
Originally by: Bjron
11% is a fair price to pay for war immuinty and concord help.
CONCORD helps pilots in PC as well as NPC corps so that half of the argument fails.
Ashina did not have war immunity when she is fighting in low/0.0 sec space. considering I spend about half, or more, of my time in 0.0 the whole war dec immunity does not apply. If you want to shoot me come and get me in 0.0.
I just finished running a 10/10 site in 0.0. Did it was a number of other people... all members of CAS. We had intended to jump the local Alliance pilots that were scanning it out but they left and we were stuck running the site ourselves. Had 2 fleets move thought the system, 79 pilots in one, 47 in the other. We completed the site without getting shot at by the PC's that came though. Were we Immune? I think not. After this patch would we all be assessed a 11% tax on the bounties, yes we would. All with No CONCORD and freely available to be shot at by anyone who wishes. Why am I still paying tax?
Because you work for The Man and play by his rules?
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Ms Iustitia
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:05:00 -
[897]
Originally by: Julian Lynq Not every corp charges 11% tax. Some charge more, some charge less, some donŠt charge any at all.
There are alot unique advantages of being in a player corporation (which is the reason that many people are).
Additionally we are allready proposing ideas to make player corporations even more attractive in an attempt to show ccp means of gamedesign practices that use carrots instead of sticks.
i think there's a bunch of reasons why some players don't want to get involve with player corporations, and amongst those reasons, let's take away moneymaking alts of pvp players...
1) some peeps just don't trust anyone, yet they enjoy playing EVE, so NPC Corps is a haven. 2) some peeps don't have the time (RL sense) to commit to a player corp, they don't want to be a "stagnant luggage" to any corp, so they sit in NPC Corps, despite sacrificing to things they want to do in EVE. 3) some folks just want to shoot at spaceships and have simple fun, the not hardcore gamer types, they want fun without the stress that accompanies being in a player corp. 4) some folks are edging towards EVE's PVP content, but they think they should first establish themselves with the resources to sustain doing PVP, these folks are typically the ones with only 1 account on EVE.
all 4 types have one thing in common, they do missions for the most part, or dubbed as mission runners. the 11% taxation towards NPC corps is acceptable (i think) to this types of gamers, but the reasons behind it seems not so.
with respect to CCP, IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SAMPLE EVERY CONTENT EVE OFFERS TO ENJOY THE GAME because not all players of EVE are hardcore gamers, some is satisfied and loves the game even if they have sampled a miniscule portion of EVE's content.
this issue is not about the tax, nor it be PVP against "carebears", the issue is about CCP choosing a path for everyone to a game they say as multi-faceted.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:42:00 -
[898]
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/09/2009 23:44:12
Originally by: Bjron 11% is a fair price to pay for war immuinty and concord help.
But, what about the people in the PC? Hmm, if we take taxes out of this, or say taxes are equal, then what about war immune? They are not war immune.
. . .
30 pages on this topic to return to the beginning... When will you read the thread ?
Also, you seem deliberately omit that NPC Corp has also some disadvantages that PC Corp don't have, and pay a tax in PC Corp means sometimes some player added advantages : Linkage
There is already some balance. Wardec immunity, OK, but to pay that, you will NOT have POS, etc. as the link states. _______ Local is fine, period.
CCP devs, you nerfed shield resists by 8.3% but armor by 7.1% (The old Explo/EM "10 points" Nerf). When will you correct this inconsistency ? |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/09/2009 23:44:12
Originally by: Bjron 11% is a fair price to pay for war immuinty and concord help.
But, what about the people in the PC? Hmm, if we take taxes out of this, or say taxes are equal, then what about war immune? They are not war immune.
. . .
30 pages on this topic to return to the beginning... When will you read the thread ?
Also, you seem deliberately omit that NPC Corp has also some disadvantages that PC Corp don't have, and pay a tax in PC Corp means sometimes some player added advantages : Linkage
There is already some balance. Wardec immunity, OK, but to pay that, you will NOT have POS, etc. as the link states.
It takes a great deal of effort to get a pos onto a high sec moon and even then, a war dec can mean the end of it. 11% tax on mission payouts and bounties seems a good deal for not having to deal with wars.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.24 23:56:00 -
[900]
Originally by: Julian Lynq
Originally by: Serge Bastana I think the CCP team should dress as tax collectors at Fan Fest, just to see what happens
What does a tax collector look like ?
I have never had anyone actually come to my apparment and collect taxes in person
Use your imagination, and just cos you haven't seen one doesn't mean they don't exist, just like Bigfoot ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
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