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cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.11.05 04:40:00 - [241] Yeah its officially a SCAM. I didn't get my ISK back. I wanted to invest because I thought it would be quite fun, most likely losing my cash (which I did). I actually shouldn't have because I acted as a third party neutral. After Yih failed to raise a huge amount of ISK, he stated he had an investor to potentially cover the rest. This was sent as a private eve-mail to investors. I got confirmation that didn't happen. As a last grab to get the extra cash Yih launched the lottery. At that point it was obvious a slam dunk SCAM, which is the reason I made a fuss. I was hoping no one else would have invested after I asked for a refund, but it seems that someone might have (300M). I think Yih could have played it out longer as time was on his side the lottery was a mistake. After my statements on here I actually ended up playing poker with Yih (his ALT) on EOH, and he confirmed the SCAM. I couldn't post for the 48 hrs I gave because I didn't have chat logs for proof. Props to Yih it was a good SCAM, well thought out and a lot of detail. The players involved (may or may not be Yih's ALTS): Yih and for those wondering about the Goon director, it was the main man himself: KARTTOON
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.05 04:58:00 - [242] There's always Ebank.
flakeys DRAMA Inc	Posted - 2009.11.05 07:41:00 - [243] If so then i'd say: Entertainment value : 9/10 Investment value: because of above still 2/10 Would invest again .... But all this work just for about 4 or 5 bille isk?Then karttoon can learn a lot from jita and MD scammers
Blarghatred	Posted - 2009.11.05 07:54:00 - [244] was expecting more . o0h well maybe there will be a better scam next time...
Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.05 08:16:00 - [245] Damn, I didn't even get to go to the jazz festival. :P Kudo's for the three tier investment, cardinal biggles. I know it wasn't much, but 3.6 billion ISK is hard to come by for a 6 week old player. :) Thanks a bunch to all who enjoyed, I'm glad there was popcorn and enjoyment to be had. Yih will be around, as I've decided to try this whole thing as a career of sorts. At least for now. For the criticism on the lottery, it wasn't required, but I thought it would be a fun idea - and it caused more drama along the way (thanks cosmoray) I will keep this thread up and active, and unlike past scammers, I have no intentions of dissapearing. For those who have read this far, but have not seen all the threads, they are as follows, and shall be kept here for posterity: MY first announcement: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1189844 Followed by In-character and general discussion announcements. Here and Here Second offering, revamped here I know you will mostly call lies and slander, but this is not the work of Karttoon. As VV stated, about half way through I found that I needed to proove to MD I was in a position. Who better to be in that position, than the CEO himself. He was given 50% of 'most' of the funds, I cut him off about 4 days ago. The real player, is no more than 6 weeks old as of today's posting. It can really be seen in my early posts where I knew obviously very little of Goons or how they worked. If I'd known they were scammers I would have chose a better target. So thankyou, those who invested (most of which were 'for the lols') you helped a new player purchase 2 characters for her account, several plexes, and a 1.5billion ISK harbinger which was promptly lost within 2 hours of fitting ^-^ Till next time, MD. ~Yih.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.05 08:34:00 - [246] I feel so relieved I always said "can control a powerful character" instead of IS a powerful character. To those who said I was lieing (I'll never learn how to type it) about said character disruptive potential, now you see he had it. The negative about all of this that affected me: I thought Goons were more funny and light-hearted. Yih as newbie acted like a Goon better than the "real ones". - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
karttoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.05 08:36:00 - [247] You're an idiot. Thanks for half the isk Yih.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.05 08:50:00 - [248] Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 05/11/2009 08:41:59 You're an idiot. Thanks for half the isk Yih. Lol someone is modding the eve-search pages. Who are you referring to? - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2009.11.05 09:06:00 - [249] Originally by: Yih Damn, I didn't even get to go to the jazz festival. :P Kudo's for the three tier investment, cardinal biggles. I know it wasn't much, but 3.6 billion ISK is hard to come by for a 6 week old player. :) Thanks a bunch to all who enjoyed, I'm glad there was popcorn and enjoyment to be had. Yih will be around, as I've decided to try this whole thing as a career of sorts. At least for now. For the criticism on the lottery, it wasn't required, but I thought it would be a fun idea - and it caused more drama along the way (thanks cosmoray) I will keep this thread up and active, and unlike past scammers, I have no intentions of dissapearing. For those who have read this far, but have not seen all the threads, they are as follows, and shall be kept here for posterity: MY first announcement: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1189844 Followed by In-character and general discussion announcements. Here and Here Second offering, revamped here I know you will mostly call lies and slander, but this is not the work of Karttoon. As VV stated, about half way through I found that I needed to proove to MD I was in a position. Who better to be in that position, than the CEO himself. He was given 50% of 'most' of the funds, I cut him off about 4 days ago. The real player, is no more than 6 weeks old as of today's posting. It can really be seen in my early posts where I knew obviously very little of Goons or how they worked. If I'd known they were scammers I would have chose a better target. So thankyou, those who invested (most of which were 'for the lols') you helped a new player purchase 2 characters for her account, several plexes, and a 1.5billion ISK harbinger which was promptly lost within 2 hours of fitting ^-^ Till next time, MD. ~Yih. I had you figured out Yih I would have put the evidence on here but I got shouted down by the people you conned, you have to admire the irony
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.05 09:14:00 - [250] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Originally by: Yih Damn, I didn't even get to go to the jazz festival. :P Kudo's for the three tier investment, cardinal biggles. I know it wasn't much, but 3.6 billion ISK is hard to come by for a 6 week old player. :) Thanks a bunch to all who enjoyed, I'm glad there was popcorn and enjoyment to be had. Yih will be around, as I've decided to try this whole thing as a career of sorts. At least for now. For the criticism on the lottery, it wasn't required, but I thought it would be a fun idea - and it caused more drama along the way (thanks cosmoray) I will keep this thread up and active, and unlike past scammers, I have no intentions of dissapearing. For those who have read this far, but have not seen all the threads, they are as follows, and shall be kept here for posterity: MY first announcement: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1189844 Followed by In-character and general discussion announcements. Here and Here Second offering, revamped here I know you will mostly call lies and slander, but this is not the work of Karttoon. As VV stated, about half way through I found that I needed to proove to MD I was in a position. Who better to be in that position, than the CEO himself. He was given 50% of 'most' of the funds, I cut him off about 4 days ago. The real player, is no more than 6 weeks old as of today's posting. It can really be seen in my early posts where I knew obviously very little of Goons or how they worked. If I'd known they were scammers I would have chose a better target. So thankyou, those who invested (most of which were 'for the lols') you helped a new player purchase 2 characters for her account, several plexes, and a 1.5billion ISK harbinger which was promptly lost within 2 hours of fitting ^-^ Till next time, MD. ~Yih. I had you figured out Yih I would have put the evidence on here but I got shouted down by the people you conned, you have to admire the irony Grats, want a cookie?

Roguehalo Caldari Kimoto Innovations	Posted - 2009.11.05 09:28:00 - [251] "Maybe we should get Elvis in on this as an adviser" The above quote was my only contribution to this thread. I really Think VV and Cosmoray, with the benefit of hindsight ofc, should re-evaluate their part in this. It would probably have been better to decline, as Chribba did, to get involved . Their involvement gave this risible scheme a measure of credence it never deserved.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2009.11.05 09:31:00 - [252] Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 05/11/2009 09:31:41 Originally by: corestwo Grats, want a cookie? No, how about a job instead - MD head of counter-intelligence? Always wanted to be James Bond
Charles Swann	Posted - 2009.11.05 09:43:00 - [253] Originally by: Yih So thankyou, those who invested (most of which were 'for the lols') you helped a new player purchase 2 characters for her account, several plexes, and a 1.5billion ISK harbinger which was promptly lost within 2 hours of fitting ^-^ if you're karttoon, that sentence is one of the best attempts at social engineering I can recall seeing in EVE. If your story is true: 3.6 - 1.5 (Harbinger) = 2.1 = 2 characters + n * 0.3 (plexes), n >= 2 you make money multiply , welcome to MD
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.05 10:06:00 - [254] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 05/11/2009 10:09:30 Quote: I really Think VV and Cosmoray, with the benefit of hindsight ofc, should re-evaluate their part in this. It would probably have been better to decline, as Chribba did, to get involved . Their involvement gave this risible scheme a measure of credence it never deserved You have to distinguish the jobs. When auditing, I check for skills and stuff and create a report to inform investors. Never, never straight supported an investee to have investors flock on the investment and always state to not invest what you cannot afford to lose. Sooner or later some of the audited guys will scam. Because an audit is just what it is meant to be: information. As such when (not if, it's a when as it's just going to happen sooner or later) I'll audit someone who will scam. Like always I'll have said that the guy was able to do what he claimed. But that's not endorsement, it's a feasibility statement. When acting as 3rd party it's different. You hold something. That's it. There's no audit. No request for clarity (even if it'd be welcome) or detective work. To be more frank, if someone needs a 3rd party it's because trust IS an issue in the deal. Once again, I did not invest (as usual) to show no committment or support was pressured. As I said in another post, for me this was not a proper audit (edit: as I said other times, when I state things it's not for nothing. Investors should ALWAYS read well. Saying something is "not an audit for me" has a meaning and weight). This was a 3rd party operation. The role of 3rd party is to be trusted about privacy, about holding super-expensive items or information without stealing / revealing them and so on. Not to give judgements or criticism on the clients. These are reserved for when I wear the auditor hat. On an unrelated matter, Chribba can afford to skip these uncomfortable deals and focus on stuff like super capitals exchange etc. After all, the effort required at holding a ship for some minutes is not so heroic. The path to arrive there was. Unlike him I have to make my bones and learn instead. And "get there" in who knows how many years. Part of the process is meant to be hard / difficult / painful... so be it. Others avoid infamy by evading the chances, I dive into the chances and fight and eventually end up battered and "3% of hull left". But I savored the fight against myself and the obvious temptations that come when you are offered sums and positions and you politely decline. And see the others just not get it, why this time it did not work to buy someone out. This is my PvP in EvE, to savor the corruptors tears. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Sworn Absent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.05 10:27:00 - [255] Edited by: Sworn Absent on 05/11/2009 10:27:14 Ya'll got owned Originally Posted by karttoon View Post Quote: Yeah they are dumb. Yih e-mailed me begging for me to send an eve mail the auditors saying I was him. I got 500mil for sending the mail, and 50% of the donations (I had his API). Easiest ISK I've ever made. Edit: Seeing this alone made it worth it.
flakeys DRAMA Inc	Posted - 2009.11.05 10:32:00 - [256] Originally by: Sworn Absent Edited by: Sworn Absent on 05/11/2009 10:27:14 Ya'll got owned Originally Posted by karttoon View Post Quote: Yeah they are dumb. Yih e-mailed me begging for me to send an eve mail the auditors saying I was him. I got 500mil for sending the mail, and 50% of the donations (I had his API). Easiest ISK I've ever made. Edit: Seeing this alone made it worth it. A mothership kill mentioned on the boards wll get flamed by goons for being an irrelivant kill yet a small scam is being owned? For those with some knowledge of MD : Yih+ karttoon is still < general newbold.
Sworn Absent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.05 10:58:00 - [257] Originally by: flakeys newbold. english only on these forums please
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.05 10:58:00 - [258] Quote: A mothership kill mentioned on the boards wll get flamed by goons for being an irrelivant kill yet a small scam is being owned? They have odd ways at judging things. /CAOD mode ON In this case they paid as much as Kartoon earned (prior donations) to their sworn enemy and call it "owning". Glad to be owned, can we do it again? I have some more freighter BPOs to buy. /CAOD mode OFF - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:06:00 - [259] Originally by: Charles Swann Originally by: Yih So thankyou, those who invested (most of which were 'for the lols') you helped a new player purchase 2 characters for her account, several plexes, and a 1.5billion ISK harbinger which was promptly lost within 2 hours of fitting ^-^ if you're karttoon, that sentence is one of the best attempts at social engineering I can recall seeing in EVE. If your story is true: 3.6 - 1.5 (Harbinger) = 2.1 = 2 characters + n * 0.3 (plexes), n >= 2 you make money multiply , welcome to MD Sorry, since I love people who can't read. Cardinal Biggles was only one of several investors. The total raised for myself, well...it was a lot (by my standards anyway, probably not by anyone elses) Karttoon, you're welcome t'was fun.
Josh Silver Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:07:00 - [260] Ah karttoon, never too busy to help out a newbie who's got the spirit

Koerner	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:13:00 - [261] God, I hate being right all the time. The reason this worked, where it otherwise would not have, is the same reason so many scams work. People will invest into anything that they WANT to be true. It's widely known how many people dislike Goonswarm, therefore Kartoon knew that the prospect of MD somehow being involved in its downfall was simply too enticiing. No matter how preposterous the concept. I said it at the beginning, then again somewhere in the middle, and now here again at the end because this whole thing defied common sense from the beginning: ANY GAINS TO BE HAD FROM HAVING EXTRA MONEY TO FUND A CORP THEFT, ARE GREATLY OUTWEIGHED BY MAKING THE SCHEME PUBLIC!! Use your heads! No legitimate thief/saboteur announces his intended target before making the attack!
Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:24:00 - [262] Originally by: Koerner God, I hate being right all the time. Must be hard, dealing with that modesty all the time.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:26:00 - [263] Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 05/11/2009 11:28:04 I guess people should have thought harder about this
Koerner	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:29:00 - [264] Ha! A Goon director is going to lecture me about modesty. Let me know when you remove the plank from your own eye, then we'll talk about the spec in mine.
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.11.05 12:08:00 - [265] Edited by: rubico1337 on 05/11/2009 12:10:41 i knew this was definitely a very large possibility. i just threw 300 mill in for the drama. either way it went people need to stop trying to waive their e-peens and stop posturing as if somehow one group of people got 'owned' by another. they did not. yih was a 3rd party and quite inventive in his ways. its just a damn game, get over it
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.05 12:14:00 - [266] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 05/11/2009 09:31:41 Originally by: corestwo Grats, want a cookie? No, how about a job instead - MD head of counter-intelligence? Always wanted to be James Bond Sure you can have that job but you're app to my corp is still rejected. Originally by: Koerner Ha! A Goon director is going to lecture me about modesty. Let me know when you remove the plank from your own eye, then we'll talk about the spec in mine. Why are people still saying this? The scam was by some rather brilliant goonswarm newbie, karttoon just posed as his "main" for what amounts to the most obvious ploy ever.
Ntrails	Posted - 2009.11.05 12:29:00 - [267] Originally by: Josh Silver Ah karttoon, never too busy to help out a newbie who's got the spirit Exactly. The ever illustrious leader.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2009.11.05 12:48:00 - [268] Originally by: corestwo Sure you can have that job but you're app to my corp is still rejected. lol pretty please...
Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.05 13:40:00 - [269] Originally by: corestwo Why are people still saying this? The scam was by some rather brilliant goonswarm newbie, karttoon just posed as his "main" for what amounts to the most obvious ploy ever. Except that my application to join GoonSwarm was rejected, apparently I'm a security risk lol.
Sir Fourhead Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.05 13:51:00 - [270] RMS, represent



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