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Yih
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.10.17 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Arcika Toalen I like the cut of your jib, would you be interested in a face to face presentation with a number of my business partners and I at the country club? Say Thursday? 2pm? Round of Golf after? Marvelous.
I can run 2:30 - Which country club? Riviera or Namchon CC?
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rubico1337
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.10.17 13:24:00 -
[122]
isk sent
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.17 15:04:00 -
[123]
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Was there a clause in the audit acceptance stating you could release Yih's main characters names in the event he scams market discussions investors?
He was not audited at all.
He asked for his ability to control a powerful GS director to be stated by two people, which is exactly happened. No less and no more than that.
For the rest, yes, he'll get his name disclosed in case of scam.
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.17 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
Was there a clause in the audit acceptance stating you could release Yih's main characters names in the event he scams market discussions investors?
He was not audited at all.
He asked for his ability to control a powerful GS director to be stated by two people, which is exactly happened. No less and no more than that.
For the rest, yes, he'll get his name disclosed in case of scam.
Pretty amusing to see you attempting to distance yourself from this. You aren't suddenly unsure of the results of your audit, are you? 
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.10.17 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
Was there a clause in the audit acceptance stating you could release Yih's main characters names in the event he scams market discussions investors?
He was not audited at all.
He asked for his ability to control a powerful GS director to be stated by two people, which is exactly happened. No less and no more than that.
For the rest, yes, he'll get his name disclosed in case of scam.
Supposedly you made an audit to confirm that he is or can control in full a Goon's director. Even if short, I call that an Audit (MD Audit = to confirm or deny some or all of the claims made using the tools at hand in EVE). Then you gave free advise that encouraged investment (or at least that refused arguments against investing). No less and no more than that.
I want to ask something to Yih that has not been answered yet afaik. If you fail to raise the funds, What are you going to do? Are you going to go ahead without them? Are you going to refund them? How much time are you going to wait if not filling until you declare that the objectives has not been met and what will happen then?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.17 21:01:00 -
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Pretty amusing to see you attempting to distance yourself from this. You aren't suddenly unsure of the results of your audit, are you?
I am suddenly sure that people just CBA to read previous posts and are just out to warm air up:
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1190565/page/3
I know it's hard to bother and read what people posts, so let me rehash it for you:
He asked auditors for one, simple, single thing: that we confirm that he's a GS director.
Edit: unless he also sends an API key he could also be just someone who somehow controls a GS director to send mails.
Nothing more, nothing less, no support nor anything.
Where's the support in saying:
"I have been contacted by Yih in order to be sent his main's name and thus to confirm he's at least a director in the organization called "GoonFleet"."
or
"Once people know he's "real" (assuming he'll succesfully do that) then they can make an *informed* decision, knowing well about the kind of risks involved"
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Supposedly you made an audit to confirm that he is or can control in full a Goon's director. Even if short, I call that an Audit
The MD audits are financial audits. From the Wikipedia definition:
"In financial accounting, an audit is an independent assessment of the fairness by which a company's financial statements are presented by its management. It is performed by competent, independent and objective person(s) known as auditors or accountants, who then issue an auditor's report based on the results of the audit."
what you call audit for me is a statemtent about something happened.
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Then you gave free advise that encouraged investment (or at least that refused arguments against investing).
If you can bother go back and re-read the threads, it was not encouragement (I even state that) but just debunking a bunch of gratuitous flames. I don't consider "arguments against investing" statements like "this guy looks legit lol".
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.10.17 23:44:00 -
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Firstly, please remove the big letters, it makes the thread unreadable. Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The MD audits are financial audits.
Who said MD Audits are finantial audits only? I think searching for scammers is one of the most relevant parts on an MD Audit, I see no finantial check there. Audit was the word used, without prefixes. From the Wikipedia definition: Originally by: Wikipedia The general definition of an audit is an evaluation of a person, organization, system, process, enterprise, project or product. Audits are performed to ascertain the validity and reliability of information; also to provide an assessment of a system's internal control.
[...]In the case of financial audits, a set of financial statements are said to be true and fair when they are free of material misstatements - a concept influenced by both quantitative and qualitative factors.
Audits here are more than 'a set of financial statements'. Just in case any doubt remained. Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha If you can bother go back and re-read the threads, it was not encouragement (I even state that) but just debunking a bunch of gratuitous flames. I don't consider "arguments against investing" statements like "this guy looks legit lol".
I was refering to this post and followings. It is possible that you did not 'encourage' investing on purpose, but you go farther than exposing obvious flames and your statements were pro-investment even if you didn't made it with that purpose. Tell me where's the flame in here: Quote: murkiness I referred to was more of a reference to the political distinction between this proposition and other offerings. In most MD offerings the only end goal is profit which is, relatively, easy to predict
Althought you state a thousand times that you are not endorsing, nor encouraging investment, that means nothing if you actually do it. You even recognise that you were talking favourably when you said "ATM I have no interest at embellishing his face". That implied you were doing so and justifying yourself at doing it without vested interests. I am not saying that you gave those favourable comments with a second intention and it is possible that you were just impressed by the plan or the talk with him, but the thing I'm trying to say is that you gave those favourable comments. You said that the only thing that matters is the "financial offer", comparable to any other business when other concerns are raised and saying that "he's not just after money" when financial concerns are raised.
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.10.17 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Krathos Morpheus "ATM I have no interest at embellishing his face".
Read the part just before that, literally the same sentence:
Quote: And no, he did not ask me to audit him
I've no say in the rest, but this seems to be the ORIGINAL argument. -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.10.18 00:20:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 18/10/2009 00:23:47
Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus "ATM I have no interest at embellishing his face".
Read the part just before that, literally the same sentence:
Quote: And no, he did not ask me to audit him
I've no say in the rest, but this seems to be the ORIGINAL argument.
What do you mean? I have never said that VV had any interest in getting people to invest, if you mean that. Only that the things she said were favouring investment, and said that because VV was saying she didn't. I thought that when I readed it the first time, but everyone has an opinion and I respect that (even if it differs from mine and I argue against).
What I don't get is why is she denying it. Could it be because she did it without knowing it or because she thinks it is bad to do so and hold people's money. Or maybe she believes that she didn't do it. I think her purpose was to not do it but she did it without noticing, some of the sentences in which she defends the investment have a few emotions mixed with arguments.
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.10.18 00:57:00 -
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I'm an idiot, sorry. I misread it. Thanks for clarifying. -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.10.18 01:02:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Signore Kaeota I'm an idiot, sorry. I misread it. Thanks for clarifying.
No problem.
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Yih
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.10.18 04:53:00 -
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*gets out the popcorn*
In all seriousness,
I feel that they both performed a bit of an Audit. Sure, not in the MD financial details sense, but they both spoke to me for an extended period of time, and tried to make the most sense out of what I had written.
Originally my thread was seriously convoluted, proof positive of my repeated postings in the more 'uncouth' avenues of the EVE Online forums. Both Cosmo and VV helped me iron this out, so it was more presentable and made more sense. They asked intelligent questions. They confirmed that I was in a position to pull this off, and that I was actually that person, not some alt of someone non-important.
I feel, that yes, they did do a form of audit. I gave them details far outweighing the scope of what was originally intended. I revealed things (minor details) that I wouldn't here, because they knew who I was. I still stand on the fact that they both know why increasing GS security makes my life easier now, not harder.
VV, can you change the formatting? You're ruining my thread :D
So, guys, keep up the questions. It seems we've run-dry (touch wood) the lovely GS tidal wave (though I'm sure a few still watch) *waves at Kelrand*
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.18 04:57:00 -
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Not all audits require financials.
I consider what I did as an audit. I stand by what I stated earlier in the thread.
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.10.18 08:33:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Katiana Swan on 18/10/2009 08:33:49 Whilst I said Audit I just meant Cosmo and VV. My core question was, in the event of a scam (against MD) would cosmo and vv release the name of his Goon director main. I think vv answered this with a yes, correct?
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C'ompass
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Posted - 2009.10.18 08:54:00 -
[135]
600M sent - let's have fun
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Yih
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.10.18 09:36:00 -
[136]
Katiana,
I'm pretty sure that's a given, but if it's not. I gladly accept that be the case.
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Jukhta Mein
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
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Posted - 2009.10.18 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that Yih has contacted me but that I kindly have declined to confirm and/or secure any parts or information of his plan.
Why is that so, may we know?
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Alice Celadon
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Posted - 2009.10.18 10:46:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Jukhta Mein
Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that Yih has contacted me but that I kindly have declined to confirm and/or secure any parts or information of his plan.
Why is that so, may we know?
Chribba runs the premiere neutral 3rd party service in Eve Online (secures transactions). Nuff said
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Yih
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.10.18 10:50:00 -
[139]
Because Chribba has assets that could potentially be affected if Goons wished to boycott them, or cause damage to them. (in retaliation of him refusing to give the identity of myself)
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.18 11:16:00 -
[140]
Quote:
Chribba runs the premiere neutral 3rd party service in Eve Online (secures transactions). Nuff said
My only bond I ever financed is off a Goonswarm capitals production officer.
How do you classify this? - Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.10.18 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray I am going to have a punt for 600M.
For some clarification.
I have spoken at length to Yih's main, and I do think he is in a position THAT COULD pull this off. I am not endorsing Yih or his friends or vouching for them, but it is a workable plan.
No way to guarantee this, but I am going to have fun with my investment.
Tbh it sounds to me that a GF director is scamming MD with fake desires of destroying GS.
Ever heard of GS member to ask ISK for destorying BOB? No. It was done in complete silence.
And to do what the OP plans, a complete silence should be kept also. Spamming EVE-O forums with posts like this makes the whole operation unfeasible.
My 2 cents
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Koerner
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Posted - 2009.10.18 11:55:00 -
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Blazing Fire,
I've thrown in the same two cents multiple times now, and people keep side-stepping it. As far as I can tell, it's the elephant in the room everyone wants to overlook.
If you are going to commit the largest act of sabotage and theft in EVE history, you DONT BROADCAST IT PUBLICALLY BEFOREHAND.
Once again I will say it --> Any benefits gained from having more isk to pull this off are completley outweighed by the damage done from publicaly revealing the plan.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.18 12:08:00 -
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Not all audits require financials.
I consider what I did as an audit. I stand by what I stated earlier in the thread.
Let's call this audit. But for me, to consider this a proper audit, I'd have to get Yih's limited API *at minimum* and with few seconds of preadvice.
Having that thing and with no preadvice would lessen the doubts that he got the director credentials and is not just consorting with him.
Moreover it'd be possible to check the actual correlation between Yih and said director (requires full API). And much more I won't spend lots of time to explain because it's obvious. Including an effective "I know all your characters" pre-emptive lever against scamming.
Without these elements, we can call this "audit" but not with the embarassingly in depth examination I require off those who pick me as auditor.
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.10.18 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Yih So, guys, keep up the questions. It seems we've run-dry (touch wood) the lovely GS tidal wave (though I'm sure a few still watch) *waves at Kelrand*
Third time I ask this: If you fail to raise the funds, What are you going to do? Are you going to go ahead without them? Are you going to refund them? How much time are you going to wait if not filling until you declare that the objectives has not been met and what will happen then?
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Jukhta Mein
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
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Posted - 2009.10.18 13:11:00 -
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Audit only proves that characters are real and plan is plausible. It could still be the case that the character takes the investments and returns nothing. So why are people still letting others earn free isk?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.18 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jukhta Mein
Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that Yih has contacted me but that I kindly have declined to confirm and/or secure any parts or information of his plan.
Why is that so, may we know?
Pretty much what another pilot stated, my business relies on me being netural towards everyone, and I feel that accepting OP's contract/request would make my neutrality towards the Goons shift slightly, hence I rather decline a contract to remain neutral towards everyone.
Win a Cap Recharger II BPO for 10M ISK |
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Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.18 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Yih *waves at Kelrand*
*waves back*
Some people up above were asking about Chribba. I was told when I first joined that he was one of the few non-goon, non-allies that we weren't allowed to scam or attack.
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Weaselior
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.18 19:19:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Yih *waves at Kelrand*
*waves back*
Some people up above were asking about Chribba. I was told when I first joined that he was one of the few non-goon, non-allies that we weren't allowed to scam or attack.
that was because he had a goonfleet.com account and could read the details of attempts to scam him
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kyrieee
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2009.10.18 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Jukhta Mein
Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that Yih has contacted me but that I kindly have declined to confirm and/or secure any parts or information of his plan.
Why is that so, may we know?
Pretty much what another pilot stated, my business relies on me being netural towards everyone, and I feel that accepting OP's contract/request would make my neutrality towards the Goons shift slightly, hence I rather decline a contract to remain neutral towards everyone.
Du Sr en sann svensk
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.10.18 21:16:00 -
[150]
Originally by: kyrieee
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Jukhta Mein
Originally by: Chribba Posting to confirm that Yih has contacted me but that I kindly have declined to confirm and/or secure any parts or information of his plan.
Why is that so, may we know?
Pretty much what another pilot stated, my business relies on me being netural towards everyone, and I feel that accepting OP's contract/request would make my neutrality towards the Goons shift slightly, hence I rather decline a contract to remain neutral towards everyone.
Du Sr en sann svensk
Wild guess: "You are so Swedish". If so, ROFL. If not, well, I made myself laugh .
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