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Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.08 14:47:00 - [391] Edited by: Yih on 08/11/2009 14:51:09 Originally by: Ji Sama but you arent a NEW player Yih... dont talk to all of us like we are completely ****ed. cough it up; Isk/hour with all the lobbying and social engineering you did, i would be surprised if you made anything above 10+M/hour! (I mine more than that.) Ah Ji Sama, you love to show me up. Wether or not you believe or wish to admit it, I am a next to new player. I have no more than at most 7 weeks of EVE experience behind me. The total intake of ISK at the very end personally (after Karttoons 50% cut for about 80% of all funds, and the 500m given to VV) equated to a paltry (by MD standards) 10.2 billion ISK. The initial formulation of the plan took 1 hour. The 3 initial posts, took another 2. Responding/reading peoples posts on the First MD thread. 2 hours SCC lounge time. 1 hour Speaking with VV regarding how to get this across to MD. 1 hour Rehashing idea (second post) 1.5 hours. Karttoon. 1 hour. Replying to second post + reading ideas 3 hours Internal mail 1 hour More conversation with VV. 1 hour SCC lounge time. 3 hours Rehashing idea (third and final post). 1 hour Replying to thread, keeping up to date. 3 hours Internal mail 1.5 hours Negotiations with Merc's. 1 hour SCC lounge time. 3 hours. Even more conversation with VV. 0 minutes :P Lottery 30 minutes. Responding to the Cosmo incident 1 hour Internal mail 30 minutes. Poker match with Cosmoray. 1 hour reveal and subsequent posts 1 hour. Total time spent: 31 hours. Time spent multitasking/gaining profit through other means. 11 hours. Pre multitasking - 330m ISK/hour Incl multitasking - 510m ISK/hour Initial cost was 1 billion ISK (which is taken into consideration in above figures) 500m ISK of that was a 'deposit' Additional bonus: Being written about in the next issue of EON. All of these figures are correct to my belief. No I will not be audited on them. :D You can either take it or leave it, you aren't getting them from anywhere else. Future endeavours might be audited, but since my next scam is already underway, an audit would potentially reveal that. Originally by:** RAW23 Yih - any chance you could post the mail in which you informed investors about the lottery here? I'd love to read that to see what cosmo's decisions were based on (any other communiques relevant to the scam would be great as well) . Also, could you check your wallet log and see if you received anything from me? A very quick check of mine suggests you didn't (sorry!) but I can't do a proper search due to my i-net problems. Thanks in advance. I'm afraid that it will need to be posted in here from someone else. Unfortunately I do not know of a way to view my 'sent items', and when people responded, they often removed my reply to make more space. I'm sure C'ompass, Cosmoray, flakeys, or perhaps even biggles would post if asked. EDIT (added above, rather than waiting 5 minutes for a reply and illegal bump) Also, Please note, this post is not bragging rights, the information was requested, and I simply relayed it. Interesting side note - This scam probably had a better ISK/hour than most, unless you don't count them as scams initially. GN might have had a good ISK/hour though, I see he did a similar amount of work to myself (but formatted it better initially due to more experience in the forums/game than I)
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.08 14:53:00 - [392] Edited by: Ji Sama on 08/11/2009 14:54:27 You spend more time in the lounge than 1 hour mate :D edit: read your table wrong, 10 hours is more like it, at the minimum, you where in there alot imo, over the last month! But 300+ M ISK per hour is ok. If that is true.
Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.08 14:56:00 - [393] Edited by: Yih on 08/11/2009 14:59:20 Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 08/11/2009 14:54:27 You spend more time in the lounge than 1 hour mate :D edit: read your table wrong, 10 hours is more like it, at the minimum, you where in there alot imo, over the last month! But 300+ M ISK per hour is ok. If that is true. total SCC lounge time was 7 hours. 8.5 if you include that 50% of VV's talking was public in that channel. 6 out of 7 hours (not the initial 1) were all multitasking hours though. I was gaining profits through other ventures primarilly during those hours. EDIT: some comedy gold for the forum. logged in today to see 10m on Yih. along with this wonderful e-mail. 2009.11.07 06:40 i am giving you 10 mil might seam like pocket change to you but its a lot to me. this will be the fist time i am trusting a goon, even though its likely a scam of epic proportions, i dont give a rats ass about retun on investment or any other crap like that. just bring goon to its mother ****ing knees so i can have a hand in choping off atleast one head of this hydra --- Thankyou, you made my day.
RAW23	Posted - 2009.11.08 15:22:00 - [394] Just a hypothetical question - what would happen if karttoon did get banned over this? Do banned toons get biomassed? If so, is there a mechanism to allow him to be replaced as ceo? I guess it would be more problematic if the account were just suspended indefinitely, since, as I understand it, GS's structure does not allow the ceo to be fired and replaced. Yih - thanks for the response. Any chance of a check on my payment? And I don't know why you should be shy re: bragging rights. I think you earned a good brag. On the other hand, might be best not to count your chickens yet as the minimum ccp should do is restore isk scammed through breaching the eula (whether you stated anything directly, I think it is fair to say that you used or attempted to use - as in made use of - somone elses name). Not sure how they would do this when the isk has been spent already, though ... I'm sure a negative wallet would just lead to doing no more financial transactions on that toon. But regardless of ccp's ultimate actions, it was still pretty impressive to pull this off.
Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.08 15:35:00 - [395] RAW - no 300m hit my account from you. I removed it from the end calculations. I could have done with another 300m though :D
C'ompass	Posted - 2009.11.08 19:50:00 - [396] Yih's emails (for those who are interested): 2009.10.18 09:19 Consider yourself slapped in advance. I've put you down for two shares :) Have a good day. -------------------- 2009.10.18 08:53 600mil sent / donated - I hope it's a scam or I'll have to slap myself for not buying more. ******************** 2009.10.22 12:22 Great news for those investing! We have recently been talking to a potential Investor, Leowen, who has offered to fund 100 billion ISK into the venture. This is great news for us, as well as for you. For those with good math's skills, this puts us at only 10.7 billion ISK or 35 shares remaining! We are in final talks with Leowen now, and he has suggested using himself as a third party to hold and liquidate assets. If you would like this to be your method and get some extra return, please let me know!!! In addition, Leowen only wants two specific assets from GoonSwarm, assets we were planning on getting - So with this I'm able to double the amount of gain for each of you to .4% a share. This deal will be finalised within the next few hours, to a day at most, then I will be updating the forums. If you would like to get any further investment in before it closes - now is the time. Fly safe all! ~Yih ********** 2009.11.01 22:37 Dear Investors, As some of you might have noticed, a lottery has surfaced in the sell orders forum for my identity. I ask you not to be alarmed by this. The lottery will be being drawn in the hour of my first true actions against GS. Now that we have gone fully Invested, I thank you all for your patience, and time. Please fasten your seatbelts, and make sure your arms and legs remain inside the vehicle at all times. Have a nice day ~Yih ******************** 2009.11.03 02:47 Thankfully, over the course of the last few hours, Cosmoray and I hammered out an agreement that would suit investors. Part of this agreement was the refund of 600mil to him, for 2 shares, which are now once more up for grabs. The other part, and it is something I admit was foolish of me, is that I would see the response from Investors regarding the lottery, and act accordingly. As such, I implore you all to reply with what you feel about the lottery, and wether or not it should be cancelled/refunded. I am also seeking 600m worth of investment now, to make up for the shares that I now have (I had to liquidate assets I wasn't comfortable liquidating in order to refund Cosmo's ISK)
Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.09 01:37:00 - [397] Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 08/11/2009 14:56:33 Also, if you where a totally new player, where did you get the initial 1B from? I wont buy it, you are a master in social engineering, you present what is an obvious scam, and still get idiots to pay you, under the disguise of doing it for the lulz. But you wont for a second get me to believe, that you dont have indebt knowledge of eve, you have to, you couldnt have pullet it off otherwise :D Easy, it came from my first scam (mostly). Which was incredibly unrefined also. Actually, if you were REALLY sharp, you could see me make a pretty big error when I first started, if you follow back in the past. Smaller scams are easier to pull off. The first scam only took me about 1.5 hours, and paid off 450m - but I had barely any knowledge of the game back then. If I never convince you that I am a new player, that's fine. Since there is no way to 'proove' it, I'll just let you run with that. The real life friend who set me here loose upon you all knows it though, and is incredibly amused. Never underestimate an intelligent persons resource gathering skills. As for social engineering. I have a sticker stuck to my laptop "Social Engineering Specialist: Because there is no patch for human stupidity" this isn't the first game I've scammed in/social engineered in. But it is the first to let me do it legally.
Tyranus vonCarstein Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.09 02:14:00 - [398] Originally by: Yih Additional bonus: Being written about in the next issue of EON. God, please don't fill my magazine with this... crap... Put something interesting in it.
Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.09 02:24:00 - [399] Don't worry, I'm not going to 'fill' your precious magazine :D
Tyranus vonCarstein Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.09 02:29:00 - [400] Glad to hear it.

Felisinn	Posted - 2009.11.09 02:54:00 - [401] There's nothing fun or interesting about scams anymore. I'm finding it harder and harder to motivate myself to read MD to get any decent information or relevant discourse. The claim to be some kind of clever social engineer based on this event is a sad ego trip. Anybody else in this game that has built business relationships and social networks to succeed might qualify, but not you.
Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.09 04:40:00 - [402] Originally by: Felisinn There's nothing fun or interesting about scams anymore. I'm finding it harder and harder to motivate myself to read MD to get any decent information or relevant discourse. The claim to be some kind of clever social engineer based on this event is a sad ego trip. Anybody else in this game that has built business relationships and social networks to succeed might qualify, but not you. You're funny. Obviously you haven't read this thread, as I wasn't the one to state that there was clever social engineering at work, other people did. Social network engineering and social engineering are two completely different things, both google and wiki will tell you that (and they are honest 100% of the time, rly!!!)
Hippopotamus Rex	Posted - 2009.11.09 05:34:00 - [403] Originally by: Yih I wasn't the one to state that there was clever social engineering at work Originally by: Yih this isn't the first game I've scammed in/social engineered in Seems your posts would disagree. And no one said "clever." Thats ALL you.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.09 08:12:00 - [404] Quote: Because there is no patch for human stupidity" this isn't the first game I've scammed in/social engineered in. But it is the first to let me do it legally I noticed EvE attracts the best gems of humanity. I mean, before EvE I thought humanity consisted of living sh!t, but EvE proved me being a clueless optimist. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Tesal	Posted - 2009.11.09 08:45:00 - [405] Originally by: Yih Originally by: Felisinn There's nothing fun or interesting about scams anymore. I'm finding it harder and harder to motivate myself to read MD to get any decent information or relevant discourse. The claim to be some kind of clever social engineer based on this event is a sad ego trip. Anybody else in this game that has built business relationships and social networks to succeed might qualify, but not you. You're funny. Obviously you haven't read this thread, as I wasn't the one to state that there was clever social engineering at work, other people did. Social network engineering and social engineering are two completely different things, both google and wiki will tell you that (and they are honest 100% of the time, rly!!!) Is this supposed to be a burn? If so its pretty weak. If you are looking for sympathy, or understanding, try Crime and Punishment or CAOD. No one cares that you have spent the past 10 years being a little ** in every MMO you have ever played. If this is a cry for help, or you need therapy, please talk to someone. never stop posting...with alts.** Please do not use inappropriate language in your sig. Zymurgist
Felisinn	Posted - 2009.11.09 12:25:00 - [406] Originally by: Yih You're funny. Obviously you haven't read this thread, as I wasn't the one to state that there was clever social engineering at work, other people did. I have, from your very first post that got shot down for being a joke. The fact that you required the constructive criticism from MD to make your "plans" look legit only makes my case. The only impressive thing you did to convince people here that you were legitimate was come back after making a complete a of yourself in your first attempt. Originally by:** Yih Social network engineering and social engineering are two completely different things, both google and wiki will tell you that (and they are honest 100% of the time, rly!!!) I was more implying the use of social networking to socially engineer something to qualify as such. Clearly I've struck a chord.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.09 13:31:00 - [407] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 09/11/2009 08:22:01 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 09/11/2009 08:20:07 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 09/11/2009 08:19:10 Quote: Because there is no patch for human stupidity" this isn't the first game I've scammed in/social engineered in. But it is the first to let me do it legally I noticed EvE attracts the best gems of humanity. I mean, before EvE I thought humanity consisted of living sh!t, but EvE proved me being a clueless optimist. Edit: before someone comes out with the "LOL it's a game", being a total douche in a game is about freely spewing the repressed nullity they are in RL. In practice those who behave with a minimum of decency in EvE is because they can manage well enough in RL not to need to vent out their "forbidden" repressions in a game. Edit 2: no, it's not roleplayed douche-ness, as it's quite visible to an experienced roleplayer who is roleplaying being a douche and who IS a douche. QFT (yes all of it)
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2009.11.09 14:28:00 - [408] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 09/11/2009 08:22:01 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 09/11/2009 08:20:07 Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 09/11/2009 08:19:10 Quote: Because there is no patch for human stupidity" this isn't the first game I've scammed in/social engineered in. But it is the first to let me do it legally I noticed EvE attracts the best gems of humanity. I mean, before EvE I thought humanity consisted of living sh!t, but EvE proved me being a clueless optimist. Edit: before someone comes out with the "LOL it's a game", being a total douche in a game is about freely spewing the repressed nullity they are in RL. In practice those who behave with a minimum of decency in EvE is because they can manage well enough in RL not to need to vent out their "forbidden" repressions in a game. Edit 2: no, it's not roleplayed douche-ness, as it's quite visible to an experienced roleplayer who is roleplaying being a douche and who IS a douche. Exactly what most people reading this thread thought from the first. A few people however decided to play Yih like a pawn because they wanted to at least try and get Karttoon banned. Apart from that, the guy had no hope and has been used and thrown to one side. Lying continuously without the friction of conscience is not social engineering, more a sad commentary on the person doing it.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.09 17:32:00 - [409] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 09/11/2009 17:32:31 Quote: A few people however decided to play Yih like a pawn Yih has been used like a pawn by several people, an Karttoon is probably the top of all. I am still amazed that she is still trying to join that alliance. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Estella Vance	Posted - 2009.11.09 18:58:00 - [410] Holy Cow; Nathan Sanderson has returned from grave

Tesal	Posted - 2009.11.09 19:04:00 - [411] Don't worry VV, Karttoon won't post here any more because I freakin owned him with my previous post and he is crying in his basement over his can of redbull and is all butthurt. never stop posting...with alts. Please do not use inappropriate language in your sig. Zymurgist
Venal Inamorata	Posted - 2009.11.10 02:52:00 - [412] Originally by: Yih Never underestimate an intelligent persons resource gathering skills. As for social engineering. I have a sticker stuck to my laptop "Social Engineering Specialist: Because there is no patch for human stupidity" this isn't the first game I've scammed in/social engineered in. But it is the first to let me do it legally. Surely an "intelligent person" could... Play the game to fruition? I understand one-off scammers, trying to make a quick fortune to start a legitimate career with, but where does this near-autistic fascination with scamming come about? I am genuinely interested.
Dzil Caldari United Kings Holdings	Posted - 2009.11.10 04:21:00 - [413] Originally by: Venal Inamorata Originally by: Yih Never underestimate an intelligent persons resource gathering skills. As for social engineering. I have a sticker stuck to my laptop "Social Engineering Specialist: Because there is no patch for human stupidity" this isn't the first game I've scammed in/social engineered in. But it is the first to let me do it legally. Surely an "intelligent person" could... Play the game to fruition? I understand one-off scammers, trying to make a quick fortune to start a legitimate career with, but where does this near-autistic fascination with scamming come about? I am genuinely interested. Well, I think it follows a linear, rational progression: -First, you start out getting mad when others behave stupidly. -Next, you come to learn/understand why they make irrational, stupid decisions. -Later, you pass through a phase where you try to help them, repeatedly banging your head on the wall. -Finally, you stop caring. This is where you either withdraw, or realise it's just a game and go rogue. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Yih Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.11.11 03:30:00 - [414] Originally by: Dzil Well, I think it follows a linear, rational progression: -First, you start out getting mad when others behave stupidly. -Next, you come to learn/understand why they make irrational, stupid decisions. -Later, you pass through a phase where you try to help them, repeatedly banging your head on the wall. -Finally, you stop caring. This is where you either withdraw, or realise it's just a game and go rogue. QFT
Tesal	Posted - 2009.11.11 03:46:00 - [415] Originally by: Yih Originally by: Dzil Well, I think it follows a linear, rational progression: -First, you start out getting mad when others behave stupidly. -Next, you come to learn/understand why they make irrational, stupid decisions. -Later, you pass through a phase where you try to help them, repeatedly banging your head on the wall. -Finally, you stop caring. This is where you either withdraw, or realise it's just a game and go rogue. QFT So now you are trolling the people who were trolling you for trolling yourself. Ok there...don't let me stop you. Keep going. Also, you totally missed the Sarah Palin joke built in there. Geez. Totally pathetic. Quote: A sense of humor will save us all. never stop posting...with alts. Please do not use inappropriate language in your sig. Zymurgist
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.11.11 04:45:00 - [416] Unreal... This had scam written all over it right from the beginning. What gave it away? Why would a "powerful" goonswarm director need resources to move **s out of GS? Tools for Research Business**
Roguehalo	Posted - 2009.11.11 06:32:00 - [417] Originally by: Brock Nelson Unreal... This had scam written all over it right from the beginning. What gave it away? Why would a "powerful" goonswarm director need resources to move ****s out of GS? What completely baffled me was suppose it was all legit? Somebody has just stolen 600b.......what on earth made the the idio.....err investors think the thief would give any of it to them? To save his reputation?
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.11.11 08:11:00 - [418] Originally by: Roguehalo Originally by: Brock Nelson Unreal... This had scam written all over it right from the beginning. What gave it away? Why would a "powerful" goonswarm director need resources to move **s out of GS? What completely baffled me was suppose it was all legit? Somebody has just stolen 600b.......what on earth made the the idio.....err investors think the thief would give any of it to them? To save his reputation? Sorry, but if a plan has holes in them that the planner cannot explain, then you shouldn't invest. Tools for Research Business**
Tesal	Posted - 2009.11.11 15:44:00 - [419] Originally by: Brock Nelson Unreal... This had scam written all over it right from the beginning. What gave it away? Why would a "powerful" goonswarm director need resources to move **s out of GS? Yah it did. The entire idea was to scam people and steal from them, even if it succeeded, and the idea was to pay someone to be a thief. It was funny though to start with. Then it got bogged down by all the crying. never stop posting...with alts.** Please do not use inappropriate language in your sig. Zymurgist
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.11.11 15:47:00 - [420] I dont get it, was this a scam? or not? Is goonswarm disbanded? Did we win the internets?



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