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Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.28 19:23:00 - [481] Originally by: flakeys You know how CAOD is , both the IT and co side as the goon side ,hence why i was glad to read a report from you wich i could believe to be accurate. You know, if I actually posted my post in CAOD it would be flamed by all sides for 10 pages. There's a reason people only go there to troll.
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.01.28 19:23:00 - [482] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: flakeys I belive in hearing two sides of the story but so far the only people i spoke to ingame are those on the other side. I would like to thank you for such a nice layout of what happened kalrand. You're quite welcome. I haven't had time to see whats going on in the forums here, what's the other side saying? Yes, Kudos for that overview, Kalrand! Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
Dzil Caldari Greyhound investments	Posted - 2010.01.28 19:45:00 - [483] Thanks Kalrand. Wish you all luck in your new home: with the Sov changes it may be just as well anyways. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.01.28 20:01:00 - [484] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 28/01/2010 20:04:28 Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: flakeys You know how CAOD is , both the IT and co side as the goon side ,hence why i was glad to read a report from you wich i could believe to be accurate. You know, if I actually posted my post in CAOD it would be flamed by all sides for 10 pages. There's a reason people only go there to troll. QFT Yesterday on SCC lounge I provided what imho is a decently faithful representation of (those I knew when I was there, in one "workhorse corp") IT Alliance's aspirations. We were meant to slowly grow (well, not really that slowly ) and then basically one day face "the definitive battle", with rivers of blood and honor. Not another craptastic end that really does neither bring justice to EvE, nor on those who worked for months to return to 0.0 and ready up, grind dreads, wake up at 2.30am for alliance ops and so on. It has been an unwanted "easy way out", at least for those thinking like me. Edit: as I said yesterday (still on SCC), it's just r3tarded that EvE game mechanisms protect you MUCH more when you lockdown a T1 ammo BPO than when you are at the head of a major alliance. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.28 20:11:00 - [485] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha QFT Yesterday on SCC lounge I provided what imho is a decently faithful representation of (those I knew when I was there, in one "workhorse corp") IT Alliance's aspirations. We were meant to slowly grow (well, not really that slowly ) and then basically one day face "the definitive battle", with rivers of blood and honor. Not another craptastic end that really does neither bring justice to EvE, nor on those who worked for months to return to 0.0 and ready up, grind dreads, wake up at 2.30am for alliance ops and so on. It has been an unwanted "easy way out", at least for those thinking like me. Edit: as I said yesterday (still on SCC), it's just r3tarded that EvE game mechanisms protect you MUCH more when you lockdown a T1 ammo BPO than when you are at the head of a major alliance. At the end of the day it's pretty funny that Goons pushed a button and ejected BoB from Delve, and then later got ejected because they forgot to push a different button.
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.01.28 20:21:00 - [486] I think both events are direct products of being among the biggest blobs. Not that these events are bound to happen to massive alliances or that they don't happen to smaller ones, but this kind of director level burnout and failure is far more likely in these massive entities. Neither paying sov bills nor keeping track of your directorate are inherently unreasonable requirements for retaining sovereignty, but they are more prone to error in the massive organizational nightmares that are the biggest of the blobs. My humble opinion.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2010.02.03 07:24:00 - [487] Originally by: Yih GS used to be as fragile as BoB. Over time that changed. GS can't be destroyed by one man. For anyone who doesn't know yet... Goonswarm just effectively disbanded, courtesy of the CEO. A picture-perfect Haargoth repeat.
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business	Posted - 2010.02.03 07:34:00 - [488] Would you like to know what happened?
Tesal	Posted - 2010.02.03 08:26:00 - [489] Originally by: Kalrand Would you like to know what happened? I see Mittani had his roles stripped. He has also been logging his alts on and off. If I had to guess, I would say there was a verbal exchange. Mittani decided to steal some stuff for revenge and activated his networks to help him get the loot out. Then he got caught halfway, there was a big fight on vent (recorded I hope) and Karttoon got even more **ed off and disbanded the alliance. Then he logged off and isn't answering his phone. Am I close? never stop posting...with alts.** Please do not use inappropriate language in your sig. Zymurgist
mynnna Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2010.02.03 08:32:00 - [490] Nah. Karttoon, for reasons unknown, kicked every corp except the wallet corp and one other out of GoonSwarm as well as stripped roles of other directors in GoonFleet. While we can't confirm it's assumed that he made off with at least the corp wallet, likely the dread cache and other assets as well. Funny stuff. Goons are laughing at it just as much, if not more, than anyone else.

Keiko Shizuka	Posted - 2010.02.03 09:49:00 - [491] Originally by: mynnna Funny stuff. Goons are laughing at it just as much, if not more, than anyone else. I think you underestimate just how much everyone else is laughing. ;)
RAW23	Posted - 2010.02.03 10:10:00 - [492] Originally by: Kalrand Would you like to know what happened? Please. Trying to work the details out from CAOD is like swimming through cold treacle.
Keiko Shizuka	Posted - 2010.02.03 10:21:00 - [493] Originally by: Tesal I see Mittani had his roles stripped. He has also been logging his alts on and off. I don't know, but that can be seen as suspicious too. He was probably leaving for IT with his Titan, best you shoot him before asking. Seriously though, what's the timeline on those events?
Nym Qyamara Gallente Draconis Alumni Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2010.02.03 11:39:00 - [494] I still think that GoonSwarm will re-form as "Band Of Brothers" - that would be the ultimate "for the lols" from them and it's so such a Goonie thing to do. Afterall, they "own" the name.
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.02.03 11:47:00 - [495] Edited by: flakeys on 03/02/2010 11:47:51 Originally by: Kalrand Would you like to know what happened? If you could be so nice so write up a nice post like the last time i would be gratefull yes. Btw on topic of the thread. Imagine now getting a repayment plus interest from yih , MAN that would be odd .
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.02.03 14:04:00 - [496] Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 03/02/2010 11:47:51 Originally by: Kalrand Would you like to know what happened? If you could be so nice so write up a nice post like the last time i would be gratefull yes. Btw on topic of the thread. Imagine now getting a repayment plus interest from yih , MAN that would be odd . Stuff unfolded in a curious way, personally speaking. The very person whose burnout caused Goons to fold paid me interests for months due to the CAIDS bond. GS paid me off in IT alliance 500M in consultancy fees. GS CEO or whatever revealed to be an uneducated ogre, the fake alt was much more credible than the real thing GS now unfolds as per the (now known to be fake) plans. Nothing beats reality at its own irony. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.02.03 14:31:00 - [497] Mostly remarkable , the one person named here who would bring goons down is in fact the person who pulled the plug today. Coincidence?
mynnna Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2010.02.03 21:35:00 - [498] Edited by: mynnna on 03/02/2010 21:36:24 Originally by: Keiko **uka Originally by: mynnna Funny stuff. Goons are laughing at it just as much, if not more, than anyone else. I think you underestimate just how much everyone else is laughing. ;) Everyone else's laughter is a facade, they're secretly crying because they know that absolutely nothing they did had any role in actually killing "Goonswarm" Originally by: Keiko **uka Originally by: Tesal I see Mittani had his roles stripped. He has also been logging his alts on and off. I don't know, but that can be seen as suspicious too. He was probably leaving for IT with his Titan, best you shoot him before asking. Seriously though, what's the timeline on those events? Mittani had his roles stripped along with every other director by Karttoon, so as to make it impossible for directors to grab stuff back from corp hangers. You're reading into it too much. Originally by: Nym Qyamara I still think that GoonSwarm will re-form as "Band Of Brothers" - that would be the ultimate "for the lols" from them and it's so such a Goonie thing to do. Afterall, they "own" the name. Karttoon also 'owns' the entity "Band of Brothers", so that would be a little difficult. At the moment we're working on migrating people to GoonWaffe (the corp) and are debating what to name the new alliance. Some of the more entertaining options, if you ask me, are "Gonefleet" or "Colony Collapse Disorder [Billz]", but we'll see. Originally by: flakeys Mostly remarkable , the one person named here who would bring goons down is in fact the person who pulled the plug today. Coincidence? Were you an inves...er, sucker? You seem really, really hopeful that Karttoon actually was Yih.
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business	Posted - 2010.02.03 21:48:00 - [499] Originally by: mynnna Originally by: flakeys Mostly remarkable , the one person named here who would bring goons down is in fact the person who pulled the plug today. Coincidence? Were you an inves...er, sucker? You seem really, really hopeful that Karttoon actually was Yih. It's not impossible that they weren't one and the same, but there's no way in hell he's paying you people if he is.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:11:00 - [500] Originally by: Kalrand Would you like to know what happened? Absolutely. I grasped the most essential facts (Goonswarm = gone) from the sov maps, and apparently karttoon is the culprit if CAOD is to be believed. Aside from that, I can (no offense) only wade through so many Goon posts before I go crazy. I appreciated your explanation of the sov bill incident, so could you shed some light on what actually happened this time 'round?

Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:13:00 - [501] One Week before the disbanding When we last left the story, Karttoon was happily away on vacation, Delve was on fire, and the CFO had just been sent to the pillory on the goon forum. Over the next twenty four hours word trickled down from the remaining directors that we were abandoning any defense of Delve, and moving out as quickly as possible. The same game mechanics that allowed us to defend against a much larger hostile fleet outside our prime, would doom us to never taking back any of the fallen stations. At this point The Mittani gave a State of the Goonion address which summed up the above points, and gave us a destination: Syndicate, the original home of GoonFleet. Three days before the disbanding Continuing on into the week, Goons evacuated Delve as best they could given the circumstances, first for NPC Delve, then Lowsec, then dumping their assets somewhere in Highsec space, and usually hopping back into Delve to help other people evacuate, and shoot at random IT people. People began to stage in Orville for the eventual push into Syndicate. Delve continued to get worse every day, and personal assets that weren't evacuated by day four would need a fleet to break the station camps. Darius JOHNSON was pulled out of retirement to lead us until someone could locate the CEO. Darius gave a second address to rally people ops focused on breaking ships and materials out of Delve. This continued for several days, with each day being slightly less successful. A large number of mercenary corporations and assorted other wardecs were issued against GoonSwarm and, given the average goon's skill at this game, a huge number of ships were blown up across all of high sec. Eventually Goons made it to Orvolle, which is right on the entrance to Syndicate. Whereupon the immediately got camped into the station by the area residents. Whenever a op was called to clear the undock, the hostiles would dock, and this has repeated for a few days. Two days before the disbanding Karttoon returns! He gets back from his vacation and promptly doesn't log in or post. He eventually shows up on Jabber, and tells everyone that he's not resigning. I have no idea what was going on behind the scenes. The capfleet hulls are transferred to him, to do reimbursements for everything over the last three weeks. The day before Karttoon logs into the forums and makes a handful of posts, half dealing with his vacation, and half trying to downplay how bad everything is. Almost every response is a post telling him to resign. The Mittani begins to run interference to quell the angry Goons, and it tampers down on the forum, a bit. A poll is posted, and Goons are about two to one on the resign or not resign question, not that they have any say in the matter.
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:13:00 - [502] The day Karttoon doesn't post. He logs into jabber, and I have no idea what he was up to. Some guy named Kalrand gets appointed to the position held by the old CFO. Around 11pm eastern time, the end of the US prime that most of goonswarm plays in, Karttoon logs in, and kicks out every corporation in goonswarm. Karttoon then takes away hanger rights from anyone he can in GoonFleet. Any sovereignty still held in Delve is lost. Goons are suddenly not subject to wardecs and take the opportunity to fly around and move things. Any titan/capship/whatever in space, at a pos, is bounced out of the shields as soon as the pilot logs in. Hostiles decent on the North syndicate area and attack goons. Some goons attack other goons because standings aren't immediately correct between the member corporations. This is largely fixed pretty quickly. Various directors use hidden alts to steal as much as they can from Goonfleet, but one of them announces this in the corporate local chat, which Karttoon sees, comments on, and continues to remove standings. A mothership is lost to a hostile fleet. A capship producers begins to insurance scam his existing stock that he hasn't been able to sell in a few weeks. Rumors abound that it's Karttoon destroying the cap fleet hulls that had been returned to him. Karttoon starts to post on eve-online.com. He is stripped of access to goonfleet.com. Now Karttoon has the GoonSwarm alliance, the GoonFleet corporation, several wallet corporations, and the Band of Brothers corporation. Along with hundreds of billions in isk and assets. Goons are dropping Goonswarm, and joining Goonwaffe, an old goon corporation from before the increase in the number of members that could be in a single corporation. Darius JOHNSON is in control.
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:27:00 - [503] Originally by: mynnna weak revisionism just stop, please you're embarrassing yourself
mynnna Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:30:00 - [504] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: mynnna weak revisionism just stop, please you're embarrassing yourself Which part, exactly? I see a tongue-in-cheek joke about who's laughing at what, some clarifications, and a shot at flakeys.
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:34:00 - [505] Edited by: SetrakDark on 03/02/2010 22:34:47 Originally by: mynnna Which part, exactly? I see a tongue-in-cheek joke about who's laughing at what, some clarifications, and a shot at flakeys. No, we can tell. You're alright with everything...really.
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:36:00 - [506] Originally by: SetrakDark Edited by: SetrakDark on 03/02/2010 22:34:47 Originally by: mynnna Which part, exactly? I see a tongue-in-cheek joke about who's laughing at what, some clarifications, and a shot at flakeys. No, we can tell. You're alright with everything...really. It was pretty clear to the average goon that karttoon was about to **** us. This is the guy, who's made his whole eve career about griefing people who trust him.
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:40:00 - [507] Originally by: Kalrand This is the guy, who's made his whole eve career about griefing people who trust him. yes, yes, we know. you planned the whole thing. shushushushushooooooo it's ok shushsa shusha shoo momma's here
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:44:00 - [508] More epic than Suas or Remedial by an order of magnitude and then some. Ok, thanks Kalrand; nothing earth-shattering but it's always fun to know what the other side thinks happened. You guys seem to have bad luck with alliance leadership though. Maybe symptomatic of the member base from which they spring, but still
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:45:00 - [509] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Kalrand This is the guy, who's made his whole eve career about griefing people who trust him. yes, yes, we know. you planned the whole thing. shushushushushooooooo it's ok shushsa shusha shoo momma's here No, it wasn't planned. He just started going through the "What to do when you're about to scam someone" bit.
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business	Posted - 2010.02.03 22:48:00 - [510] Originally by: Frenden Dax More epic than Suas or Remedial by an order of magnitude and then some. It's what made the Yih thing so odd to us. It's not like karttoon needed isk to do this.



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