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Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.11.02 11:21:00 -
[211]
 Originally by: Cista2
Well, I am a forum virgin in this whole Yih affair, but what does it mean that:
1) today he edited the tracker post on page 1 to "NO MORE SHARES OFFERED"
2) and on the page before this he states *Bows out*?
it's over; he got private sponsoring (apparently)
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.02 14:13:00 -
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I like the new move.
I am personally responsible for Yih scamming. If I out him he SCAMS (and its my fault), if I don't out him he might SCAM (and it's my fault).
If the lottery fails, I don't have a problem that I don't have to state his main.
There is also nothing wrong with asking for more information if you are an auditor or a third party. I will be happy with the investment if I knew that the private investor Yih has stated has invested. If that information was proved to me, everything would look legit.
If not it doesn't.
Yih stated that his private investor would be sorted out within a 48 hr time frame, that was over a week ago and everything has been silent. The bond was then closed and no more information handed out. It used to be that Yih shared everything, but now silence.
The difference is either only 9B was invested or over 100B invested. Big difference.
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2009.11.02 14:23:00 -
[213]
Originally by: cosmoray
I like the new move.
I am personally responsible for Yih scamming. If I out him he SCAMS (and its my fault), if I don't out him he might SCAM (and it's my fault).
If the lottery fails, I don't have a problem that I don't have to state his main.
There is also nothing wrong with asking for more information if you are an auditor or a third party. I will be happy with the investment if I knew that the private investor Yih has stated has invested. If that information was proved to me, everything would look legit.
If not it doesn't.
Yih stated that his private investor would be sorted out within a 48 hr time frame, that was over a week ago and everything has been silent. The bond was then closed and no more information handed out. It used to be that Yih shared everything, but now silence.
The difference is either only 9B was invested or over 100B invested. Big difference.
I completely understand what you mean however i feel you are seeing one thing wrong.
If in the end he scams then no one should point at you or VV.You have only been here to state that his 'main' had chats and the plan was possible.After that your task as an auditor is done and in my view has been completed both by you and VV.The wish to invest after that is at own risk and all investors should have seen it that way and same goes for this lottery.As such i view upon you as an investor at this point and not an auditor.
Don't be feeded by the trolls cosmo  .
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.11.02 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 02/11/2009 14:34:52
In my opinion, even beginning to auction off his main's identity should lead to Cosmo outing Yih's main. Yih has repeatedly insisted that the plan requires that his main's identity remain secret, and if his plan was ever legit, it is clear why this should be so. Auctioning off his identity implies that he now does not care if the Goons know who he is and the only explanations for this are either, 1) he never cared (scam); 2) he did care but he no longer does because he no longer intends to go through with the plan (scam); or 3) circumstances have changed in such a way that it no longer matters whether the goons know who Yih's main is and his plan will proceed in spite of this. Since this last is extremely unlikely and no such explanation has come forth, Yih's initial offering can be presumed dead (at least in the form in which it was presented). Unless he presents a revised plan that does not assume that the identity of his main needs to remain secret he has already betrayed his investors by undermining the plan that he sold them. If there is still a legit plan it is not the one that we started with and that investors put money into. Changing the plan in such a fundamental way might reasonably be considered fraud if not a scam.
I see no reason for Cosmo to wait till 24 hours before the lottery ends to out Yih's main. All that this delay will mean is that another 5bil will end up in Yih's pocket and that the lottery winner will not get what he paid for either. I would hope that Cosmo will put a stop to this now before anyone else loses their money, although I do realise what a difficult position he is in.
Apologies to flakeys on this. As a recipient, I truly appreciate his willingness to invest in the riskier options available on MD and I have no wish to see his investment lost. But I don't see how Cosmo outing Yih will do any more damage to his investment than Yih doing it himself. Yih's current actions look like nothing other than an attempt to wring the last drops of isk out of his not entirely successful attempt to scam MD.
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SetrakDark
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Posted - 2009.11.02 14:36:00 -
[215]
Originally by: RAW23
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Thanks. Covered all the points I wanted to, but couldn't be bothered to.
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Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.02 14:45:00 -
[216]
Is this the big announcement?
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2009.11.02 15:01:00 -
[217]
No need to apologise RAW23 , i knew the risk from the start and will not hold a grudge against cosmo if he does go through with it.My respect for him is worth the loss and we all have different views on different matters.
I just would like to add that i can see why others feel the outing of yih's main on the lottery will inflict damage to this , you did not receive a mail wich investors did from yih.Do i trust yih's mails?As much as this investment itself but still i would prefer not to blow this up ourselves but let yih give the final word.Be it 'GO' or 'SCAM' is not that important to me as that he himself declares the colour of this investment.
This investment is being treated way too seriously and it should have been easy to see it is far from that.This is fun , be it scam or not it will in the end be something to have a smile about.In this it is different from the usuall investment in my opinion.
My final words on this matter : Stop holding hands in a game.We are too old for that ...
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C'ompass
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:20:00 -
[218]
I invested my 600M into this scam and if it's not a scam I will be very disapointed 
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Yih
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.11.03 01:54:00 -
[219]
Firstly,
Cosmoray, don't even for an INSTANT say it's in investors best interests, when I see here that Investors have disagreed with you, and that you haven't even sought out their opinion.
What I do outside of the terms of this agreement is up to me. Is my lottery using investors money? No. It falls OUTSIDE the terms of this investment. You aren't some 'board of directors' for an company, and even if you were it falls on you to DISCUSS IT AS A GROUP.
I would also like to personally thank you for outting to the community at large on a PUBLIC forum that I have received full investment. That information was for investors eyes only, as was sent to ALL investors privately.
I have done nothing but keep investors aprised of my actions (as it pertains to them) every single step of the way. Even going so far as to show them that I was starting the lottery (admittedly within a short time-span)
Someone else asks what does it matter? You are not in my shoes, you do not know of the plans that have been laid, so you couldn't possibly even begin to comprehend how the change in plans of even 24 hours would disrupt the entire venture. Logistically speaking, for an operation like this, that is huge.
Cosmoray, you would be secondarily responsible for the failure of the investment. You would also ruin the winner of the lotteries prize. I say secondarily because the primary person responsible would be me, for trusting an impartial third party AT THE BEHEST OF THIS FORUM, who wasn't impartial.
The fact of the matter is, don't LIE anymore by saying 'in the interest of the investors' when several of them have already asked that you don't. rename it to 'in the interest of myself' because that is what it boils down to.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.11.03 01:59:00 -
[220]
Edited by: RAW23 on 03/11/2009 02:00:51
Originally by: Yih
Cosmoray, you would be secondarily responsible for the failure of the investment. You would also ruin the winner of the lotteries prize. I say secondarily because the primary person responsible would be me, for trusting an impartial third party AT THE BEHEST OF THIS FORUM, who wasn't impartial.
Or, the responsibility might be yours for taking the step of setting up the lottery. Or is that another essential part of the unfathomably deep plan that we mushrooms couldn't possibly grasp, a part of the plan that only LOOKS like an attempt to wring a few more isk out of the venture? Wheels within wheels ...
You could always solve the problem by cancelling the lottery, thus securing the critical 24 hours.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.03 02:32:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Yih
Firstly,
Cosmoray, don't even for an INSTANT say it's in investors best interests, when I see here that Investors have disagreed with you, and that you haven't even sought out their opinion.
What I do outside of the terms of this agreement is up to me. Is my lottery using investors money? No. It falls OUTSIDE the terms of this investment. You aren't some 'board of directors' for an company, and even if you were it falls on you to DISCUSS IT AS A GROUP.
I would also like to personally thank you for outting to the community at large on a PUBLIC forum that I have received full investment. That information was for investors eyes only, as was sent to ALL investors privately.
I have done nothing but keep investors aprised of my actions (as it pertains to them) every single step of the way. Even going so far as to show them that I was starting the lottery (admittedly within a short time-span)
Someone else asks what does it matter? You are not in my shoes, you do not know of the plans that have been laid, so you couldn't possibly even begin to comprehend how the change in plans of even 24 hours would disrupt the entire venture. Logistically speaking, for an operation like this, that is huge.
Cosmoray, you would be secondarily responsible for the failure of the investment. You would also ruin the winner of the lotteries prize. I say secondarily because the primary person responsible would be me, for trusting an impartial third party AT THE BEHEST OF THIS FORUM, who wasn't impartial.
The fact of the matter is, don't LIE anymore by saying 'in the interest of the investors' when several of them have already asked that you don't. rename it to 'in the interest of myself' because that is what it boils down to.
I'll admit here I made a mistake.
I was asked just to confirm that Yih's main could do what he stated. I did that. That should have ended my involvement.
My mistake was investing (damaging my neutrality), and I may be acting as an investor.
For the sake of my neutrality, it would be best if Yih just refunded my 600M ISK and I will withdraw from the whole scenario. I did the job I was asked and that be that.
Lesson learned for future. Don't invest when acting as a third party.
Yih, please refund my 600M ISK and I will bow out gracefully.
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Yih
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.11.03 02:39:00 -
[222]
It's the principal of the thing, more than anything else. I shouldn't have to cancel something that I want to do because some bully blackmails me. And that's what this comes down to.
Cosmoray, your 600m will be refunded, please allow up to 48 hours for the release.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.03 03:41:00 -
[223]
no one is blocked on my account. Should accept
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Yih
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.11.03 03:42:00 -
[224]
Wierd was saying 'offline or unreachable' when you were online *shrugs*
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2009.11.03 09:07:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Yih
I think Cosmo is a pretty neat person, all around, and hopefully his rash actions here will not damage his reputation further.
It won't period.
As for the investment it should be obvious from my responses i want to see it go through.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.03 09:37:00 -
[226]
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My mistake was investing (damaging my neutrality), and I may be acting as an investor.
That's why I tend to keep out of the bonds / IPOs I audit. The risk of looking like you are sponsoring them is tangible, expecially if they are risky.
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Wierd was saying 'offline or unreachable' when you were online *shrugs*
It's an old and documented bug. Green light while the guy is offline since 3 hours.
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Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read
http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and
http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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rubico1337
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.03 13:24:00 -
[227]
Originally by: C'ompass
I invested my 600M into this scam and if it's not a scam I will be very disapointed
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.11.03 17:22:00 -
[228]
Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 03/11/2009 17:23:04
Originally by: cosmoray
Lesson learned for future. Don't invest when acting as a third party.
I'd also like to point out, and I hope you don't just dismiss me thinking I'm too noob to matter, but it was a mistake even to threaten that you would disclose his main. Unless there were terms up front that you should have disclosed to Yih here on the forums that you would hold this over him if you suspected a scam, until such event that it became a confirmed scam, you should hold that information to the grave. Even here you confirmed so:
Originally by: cosmoray
No I will not divulge any info on Yih's main. I wouldn't be much of a trusted third party if I did.
Even in the event of a scam it hits a grey area whether you out him or not. If your original proposal to Yih was that you would confirm he had a main in this position, you should confirm and hold the secret, or else as you said, you wouldn't be much of a trusted third party if you didn't.
If there were some terms to your agreement that had been publicly posted, you would be within your right to out him. I'm not sure how others would view your threats here, but that's my opinion.
EDIT: I'm not saying I don't want to know. Just my thoughts on honesty and holding your word when it comes to Eve trust.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.03 18:30:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 03/11/2009 17:23:04
Originally by: cosmoray
Lesson learned for future. Don't invest when acting as a third party.
I'd also like to point out, and I hope you don't just dismiss me thinking I'm too noob to matter, but it was a mistake even to threaten that you would disclose his main. Unless there were terms up front that you should have disclosed to Yih here on the forums that you would hold this over him if you suspected a scam, until such event that it became a confirmed scam, you should hold that information to the grave. Even here you confirmed so:
Originally by: cosmoray
No I will not divulge any info on Yih's main. I wouldn't be much of a trusted third party if I did.
Even in the event of a scam it hits a grey area whether you out him or not. If your original proposal to Yih was that you would confirm he had a main in this position, you should confirm and hold the secret, or else as you said you wouldn't be much of a trusted third party if you didn't.
If there were some terms to your agreement that had been publicly posted, you would be within your right to out him. I'm not sure how others would view your threats here, but that's my opinion.
EDIT: I'm not saying I don't want to know. Just my thoughts on honesty and holding your word when it comes to Eve trust.
I'll agree I made some mistakes here.
It is difficult having two heads. As an investor or observer I question EVERYTHING.
As a third party you have to keep quiet.
Some minor damage was done, not to the main operation though.
In future I will not be involved as both again. I will either invest OR will act as third party.
My word is still intact, and I have NEVER gone back on it during my time in MD.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.11.03 18:36:00 -
[230]
Originally by: cosmoray
My word is still intact, and I have NEVER gone back on it during my time in MD.
Yes, I see that is true here. And I'm glad, for everyone's sakes, that you didn't go forward and make that mistake.
But, btw, who is Yih's main?
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Dzil
Caldari
Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2009.11.03 21:58:00 -
[231]
Cosmo, would you mind posting to confirm when/if you receive the 600M back?
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.03 22:13:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Dzil
Cosmo, would you mind posting to confirm when/if you receive the 600M back?
I will.
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Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.03 22:51:00 -
[233]
Originally by: cosmoray
Originally by: Dzil
Cosmo, would you mind posting to confirm when/if you receive the 600M back?
I will.
If you don't receive the 600M back, will you be revealing his name?
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2009.11.04 01:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 04/11/2009 01:05:26
if you guys are so gullible im so gonna create a scam just to punish all of you lol.
ok im not, but i should
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As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.04 04:54:00 -
[235]
/popcorn
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Lucius Killian
Caldari
Malevolent Intentions
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.04 08:49:00 -
[236]
GoonSwarm is too big to fail. Obama will bail them out if they get too close to the edge...
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Mangtoos
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.04 16:49:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Mangtoos on 04/11/2009 16:49:12
So in summary. The Cosmo guy was never paid to provide his comments, but invested into the OP.
That IT Alliance guy was paid ISK to review the situation, and provide his positive comments saying that Yih has the capability to pull this off and THINGS WILL BE INTERESTING.
Chribba has refused to even look at this because he wouldn't want to take payment to endorse such an obvious scam, even if he could make some money simply validating a character.
At least Chribba is still has integrity and ethics.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.11.04 16:55:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Mangtoos
That IT Alliance guy was paid ISK to review the situation, and provide his positive comments saying that Yih has the capability to pull this off and THINGS WILL BE INTERESTING.
VV is always paid for her audits, etc, and is up front about it. Any investors or third parties that feel that that compromises his can take that it or leave it. Seeing as this usually operates at a loss for the time spent, I wouldn't take that in itself to mean that he was paid off for anything.
At the very least, he is always up front about it, vicious in his audits when warranted, even when being paid, and doesn't betray the trust of those he audits or acts as third party to. I'd say he still has integrity and ethics as well.
Cosmo came close to the edge and made the mistake in investing. Lesson learned.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.04 17:58:00 -
[239]
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That IT Alliance guy was paid ISK to review the situation,
No
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and provide his positive comments
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saying that Yih has the capability to pull this off and.
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THINGS WILL BE INTERESTING
The only part of your lolpost worth answering: I hoped it'd be interesting to follow and all I got is this lottery shirt.
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Chribba has refused to even look at this because he wouldn't want to take payment to endorse such an obvious scam
No
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, even if he could make some money simply validating a character.
Why, do you refuse your salary?
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At least Chribba is still has integrity and ethics
Chribba by his own words (and not your claims) refused because he felt he'd risk being considered somewhat less neutral and would have much more to lose than to gain.
That's legitimate defense of his own interests, not "integrity" nor "ethics".
I on the other side have nothing to lose but a Maelstrom with beginner fit.
I received something huge instead, something VERY hard to simulate. The final proof that in case of extreme pressure I'd laugh in the face of corruptors and detractors whatever the sum offered, which to my joy revealed to be succesful.
My integrity in any case is easily measured by what the others do with me. I don't see anyone stopping handing me collateral to hold nor stopping handing me hard earned BPOs and T2 components for me to work on in my new venture.
They know that unless I die, I'll honor my side of the deal. In the case I die I hope those who instructed to log in and give everyone their stuff back will do so.
My life is that simple.
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VV is always paid for her audits, etc, and is up front about it.
Thank you a lot, Dretzle. You also give me more transparency opportunity, which I'll use now:
I audited for free for quite some time, including graphs and whatsnot.
Then I asked myself the following:
1) Do they appreciate having audits done for free? These happened before JEvEAssets was out and auditing was *so much* more annoying. The answer as I painfully learned: no.
2) Can they respect work done for free? Or think it's free because of low quality or committment? The answer was "few do, most - beyond empty words - show their respect by paying for it".
3) Is my time worthless? Do anywhere appreciated consultants work for free? Again, the answer was no. Since I can mine or mission (I know a Maelstrom is not the end of the universe) I can earn coin I don't earn when auditing. At least have them paying like I was mining (notice, not like I was missioning)!
Deduction: have people shell some cash.
In the specific case, I was offered money. The quantity got decided by Yih, to be given in two segments. One half at identity checked, one half after the proponent's initiative would effectively enter in action.
If anyone got other questions I am here to answer - as long as it's about my persona decisions or actions and not Yih's or affecting Yih's operation.
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Auditing and consulting
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http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and
http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Tesal
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Posted - 2009.11.05 04:02:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Mangtoos
Edited by: Mangtoos on 04/11/2009 16:49:12
So in summary. The Cosmo guy was never paid to provide his comments, but invested into the OP.
That IT Alliance guy was paid ISK to review the situation, and provide his positive comments saying that Yih has the capability to pull this off and THINGS WILL BE INTERESTING.
Chribba has refused to even look at this because he wouldn't want to take payment to endorse such an obvious scam, even if he could make some money simply validating a character.
At least Chribba is still has integrity and ethics.
So lets cut to the chase. This was a scam from the start. It was successful because everyone knew it was probably a scam, but thought it was funny and it had high entertainment value for bored people with too much isk. Now its not funny any more. Its boring. And the Goons have started whining with their shrill squeeky little voices.
Also, no Goon can talk about "integrity". That is the entire point of being a Goon, that they lack integrity. Its a bit like a prostitute talking about their virginity. You all have no integrity, but I guess a lot of Goons are virgins. So this is a confusing analogy and doesn't work very well.
This thread was funny when it started. Let the Goon do the lottery, who cares. Its a stupid and boring idea. This is how you know Goons have gone to crap. I declare this a scam. Nice job Yih, you took something potentially to be one of the funniest things ever and turned it to crap.
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