Noted and rejected? No one says something about this demand. Just noted is not enough at this state. Are you working on this or have you just noted it and laugh about me now?
I repost ths demand so often because I feel ignored from CCP. I write something and CCP doesnt reply to that or say YES or NO. Than I must ask a few times more.

Actually, it is.

Here's the situation: 9000 members are not attacking you. Not even 1% of that number, is attacking you.
All you need is a single 1000 member ally (hell, even a 100 member ally) and you have numbers parity.

You also blatantly ignore the vast majority of wars to look at edge cases.
Fact: the trade hub gankers want to be in as many wars as possible, to enable the maximum concord-free loot pinata kills they can do.
Therefore, they will offer to ally up in every war they can see, for free.
Who doesn't want free allies? Their offers will be accepted more often than not.
A 200 vs 100 war would then quickly find itself unbalanced by even adding two of these groups.

Moreover, real mercs would find themselves edged out by these groups. And small wardecs would still get a chilling effect because you're not doing anything to prevent dogpiling. 3 allies for most wars (where the allies aren't 3-man vanity corps) are more than sufficient.

Seriously who exactly do you think you are? President of the World Aspergers League?

I can say with complete certainty that I'll continue to ignore you.

Its not just about ME. Many others had this request and many others where ignored. Not just me.

Its OK Soundwave. CCP does not only ignores me. Have a look at the forum and try to find out how many other players feel ignored from you.

What? I do NOT claim to speak in the name of any group or persons in EVE! What are you talking about? But it is a fact that CCP gives very less statements concerning the changes they PLAN. I know that they can not undo this mess within two weeks. But I (and many many others who where ignored) wants to know what CCP TRIES to re implement but barely got an answer to this.
I do NOT need a hightech masterplan with a detailed time frame. Just a few hints and headwords, what CCP is planning.

Discouraging warfare by allowing plexes to be soloed in frigates isn't actually well done. The thread has multiple topics, please stop trying to monopolize it for your own grievances.

Because it merely takes blanket numbers into account. Inaccurate numbers at that.

It does nothing to force you to consider merc quality, just numbers. You're still consigning the "pro" merc groups to be on par with the mob and unable (or just difficult) to break out and shine.

Also, you ignore the war dec multiplier cost. A single alliance cannot wardec 10 targets for 50m apiece. The cost scales, rather quickly, for each concurrent war.

Then try reading the various devblogs and posts on the subject as it is pretty clear that they are making every effort to make the system more functional, and that obviously includes reintroducing any lost functionality. You know, as an alternative to sperging out over your own lack of comprehension.

I read this dev blogs. I could only find out what they will do NEXT (next 3 days till next patchday). But it is not possible to have a look at the planned road map from CCP. So, before you write something about comprehension; I would suggest that you also read the dev blogs and try to find out what the will do more than just "Improve" and "listen to feedback".

I read this dev blogs. I could only find out what they will do NEXT (next 3 days till next patchday). But it is not possible to have a look at the planned road map from CCP. So, before you write something about comprehension; I would suggest that you also read the dev blogs and try to find out what they will do more than just "Improve" and "listen to feedback". Or what functions they plan

Well here is A solution ... please critique it if you see a problem.

1. Concord fees per defending ally are only payable if you are in the process of adding an ally that would take the total size of the defending force over the total size of the attacking force. This will make it prohibitively expensive to massively outblob a small wardeccer (as in small scale mercenary actions) while still allowing a massively outmatched defender (ie 9000 vs 100) to add many alliance for free so they can balance the fight.

2. Introduce 2 week contract periods with auto renewal if either side likes the deal (ie its free) You don't like a war don't renew.

3. Consider leaving mutual decs alone because this alone gives the defender chance to assemble a counter force that can make an aggressor NEED to negotiate an end to the war. There is no reason to deny allies to a mutual declaring defender - all this means in essence is that the defender is removing the attackers automatic right to back out of the war while saving them the wardec fee. Its a transactional tactic - it could be left alone (especially with the 2 week contract periods allowing allies to leave).

4. Then if you are feeling adventurerous - improve the system a bit with iteration -> Once the defender starts paying concord fees (because they have added so many allies they now outnumber the attacker) - let the attacker add allies on a 1-1 basis so the war can escalate (both attacked and defender having the chance to up the stakes by shopping for appropriate allies etc.) With this scale of fighting (ie both attack and defender are relatively matched in numbers - EACH allied choice will matter a lot and people will shop for the right mercs on their capability and reputation.

I think that solves the problem.

Giant ass Goomswarm / Test decs vs little corps and alliances can be dogpiled and frankly they should be. Its fun, its a game, we play for fun and everyone said they liked that.

Small merc decs against similar surgical targets are likely to make the defender think carefully about who they hire because these will attract concord fees and let the attacker escalate if too many are hired.

This serves the needs for huge ass mayhem wars for fun. AND serious small merc fights for profit. There is no need to disadvantage one part of the community to protect another.

Can you see anything wrong with this solution?

Is the first entity a defender allows to ally with him free?

Funnily enough it is a fix that solves a problem - small scale pvp in complexes was previously nerfed by the fact that npc ew has a significant impact on the outcome of small fights. Tracking disrupting, painting, damping and ecm all help one side or the other disproportionately. The frankly pitiful damage output of the npcs on their own without the EW effects will not really impact the outcome of player on player fights.

Thats the positive direction of these changes. Now you can say they don't go far enough because one side can't speed tank and one side can and thats certainly a worthwhile discussion for the future - but aren't we supposed to be talking specifically about the test server stuff for 1.1 here?

(and yes, I've spent most of my last couple of months playing faction warfare)

Perhaps I can arrange for a developer to visit you in person with a flipchart and take you through the code proposals line by line?

Not necessary. But thanks. A short list would be more than enough. If I know what they TRY to implement I can wait till it IS implemented. But to wait without ANY information is bad for me.
I would suggest a website with this list which would be updated with every further idea they want to TRY to implement. Nothing more.

As I mentioned before, the underlying principle should be to not discourage reasonably even numbers on both sides. The current proposals basically make getting even numbers against a large single attacker (like goonswarm) impossibly expensive and that has to be wrong.

Because it merely takes blanket numbers into account. Inaccurate numbers at that.

It does nothing to force you to consider merc quality, just numbers. You're still consigning the "pro" merc groups to be on par with the mob and unable (or just difficult) to break out and shine.

Edit: Here's a scenario: you (74 man alliance) dec a 10 man. That 10 man brings in goonswarm. Per your system, no concord fees (first ally, was below the cap prior).

Also, having to actively pay your allies as opposed to blanket man count also helps reduce the 1% issue on the part of your allies; if they aren't participating or pulling their weight you can fire them.

Just to reiterate, I don't care about GSF wars; I'm enjoying shooting the multitudes you've put together--I'd probably have chewed off my own arm out of boredom otherwise. My main concern is that you are devaluing the committed mercs from the :effort: gankers, and chilling out small/mid size corp wardecs.

I disagree.

GSF numbers are silly huge. But that's a result of a multi-region nulsec empire. You won't see those kinds of numbers in a hisec dwelling alliance--the closest AFAIK is Eve-U. Ha.
So trying to design for those edge cases is just dumb. Better to balance the system for smaller groups. Because, as has been stated, nulsec groups as a rule don't come into hisec en masse. Too many restrictions, too many station games, not enough interest, etc. So the numbers there would not be a concern--any competant merc group you could recruit using normal rules would still likely be a good match numerically for your OpFor.

Is the first entity a defender allowed to ally with him free?

Not necessary. But thanks. A short list would be more than enough. If I know what they TRY to implement I can wait till it IS implemented. But to wait without ANY information is bad for me.
I would suggest a website with this list which would be updated with every further idea they want to TRY to implement. Nothing more.

So I spoke to the team about the shortcut option I referred to earlier in the thread. They are going to look into the feasibility of this now and seemed pretty positive about it.

I think the biggest issue here is that we're trying to solve different issues. I'm trying to bring the merc trade back into EVE and you're trying to add some measure of fairness into wars, which Isn't really a design philosophy in EVE.

Why would I want to balance a fight? That's never really been the goal in EVE and the war dec system wasn't built for that either. I understand that it's annoying when a big alliance war decs you, but that's hardly new to EVE. Big alliances get annoyed with bigger coalitions outnumber them and so on. That's a fact of life in EVE and we're not likely to change that direction anytime soon. The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created.

Letting attackers add allies conflicts with the notion that attacking someone is risky. If you decide you want to go to war with someone, the consequence is that he could punch harder than you anticipated. If this is just about stacking up allies, the power of that choice fades away a little bit.

Yeah it appears so - your FHC foreign legion alliance might still be on the cards.

No it's just you pretty much.

There isn't really any real risk for a 5000 man alliance wardeccing a 50 man corp. Even if they punch 10x harder than expected this is still a drop in the ocean to the 5000 man alliance. Meanwhile the 50 man corp can neither bring in significant numbers of allies (unless it just invites in one super-massive ally), nor can it get its friends to wardec the 5000 man alliance withou incurring what will be a prohibitively high cost for most small entities.

Sounds good then. Well hold on, let me ask CCP if they will nerf that too...

CCP, Goons, TEST and the mighty CSM,

I would like to create an alliance for the purpose of letting those corps willing to fight the evil large null power blocks who think the new war dec system is a toy for them. Said alliance would not charge anything to ally with a defender. Such defenders that those large alliance war dec over some butt hurt post on the forums, different play style of the game or against someone who did not welcome having their online CV hacked and molested.

Mainly just to have fun. I hope fun is still ok.

Anyways, please let me know! Feel free to openly reply right here on the forums too. Considering the forums is where the real PvP happens.