I hear wardecs make it hard to shoot a ship once with a full rack of 1400s

This is pretty sad actually. With these changes CCP is caving into Goonswarm whines and allowing them to wardec smaller entities without practical response.

Previously the only way to reach parity in an empire war incoming from a 9000 man alliance would be to allow literally hundreds of allies to pledge their support for free. Now that option is taken off the table.

Think it through with this example.

9000 man alliance wardecs a 100 man alliance. It costs them 50m isk per week to get a 8900 pilot advantage. In order to reach parity the defender would need to add 8900 pilots across a 100 or more allies. In this new system the defender would end up paying infinitely more than the attacker to reach any kind of equivilance.

Whats happened here is that Mittani and goonswarm have whined and pleaded for these changes on the back of the Honda Accord and (now) Star Fraction precedent and CCP have kneejerked into making Inferno wardec system something of a joke.

Instead of encouraging and spreading warfare in Eve these changes will massively limit and restrict them.

This is why I'm disappointed with these changes - it seems the reverse of encouraging emergent gameplay and simply a thoughtless nerf of the Inferno wardec system.

They make it an awful lot easier to pod the ex tornado pilots with fast lock rifters post gank though - especially when said pods are not going properly gcc due to bizzaro inexplicable bugs.

I would really like it if someone tried out the new UI control I added in the war lists and would give me feedback on how they like using it

it's a new utility menu where you can change settings (like mark your war open for allies) without having to pop up a window and change the setting there. it also has an option to open the war report since some people felt it got lost because it wasn't in a right click, only on double clicking.

It's not Goons you should be mad at for this change, Jade, it's Dovinian. TEST has been pushing for this change for weeks with the Honda Accord dec, because, you know, we actually have someone on the CSM. Wolololololo

So.

1. Concord fee for allies only kicks in if the Defender + allies headcount is greater than the aggressor headcount.
2. For every defender ally that joins when their headcount is larger than aggressor headcount, the aggressors can add an ally too.
3. Ally contracts come up for renewal each 2 weeks, can be set to autorenewal and these don't cost concord fee unless defender outnumbers aggressor.
4. Mutual system contains as is and does not exclude allies.

Do you have a problem with that?

I appreciate your frustration at feeling like your gameplan has been nerfed, I really do, but at the same time your plan was to just have ~everyone~ in high sec join certain wardecs? Do you think all those folks would ~actively~ fight the aggressor on your behalf? In reality, they won't. In fact, the emergent gameplay here is that you now need to choose and prioritise your Allies and work with those that are most effective.

Rather than going "Hey! Everyone pile on for free wardecs!", you are now going to have to consider who are the best partners to have in the war and, every two weeks, you can look at their effectiveness and reward those that are actually helping you and extend the deal, whilst weeding out the time wasters.

Imagine being a tight, well skilled Merc corp and seeing your entire business model be flooded by jokers looking to pile in on wardecs? How can you make a living when everyone is giving it away for free?

I figure that a single professional motivated Marc corp would do more harm to a large alliance than a huge bunch of dudes who don't do anything and dock up when it comes time to fight (see: Noir during Burn Jita). And one motivated corp defending his home, or being paid to do so, is more powerful than a 100 empty wardecs.

Come on Jade, being able to lock allies into mutual wars is clearly a really bad idea. Right now, I could form two alt corps, have them wardec each other, and then grab a bunch of free allies or even paid mercs, make the war mutual and never let them out. This is a bad thing, and these changes go a long way towards fixing that problem.

Limits on allies are not just about Goons, why would *any* corp wardec anyone else right now? If you do so, you are subjecting yourself to a possibly unlimtied number of allies. You talk about 9000 vs 100, but what about a 20 vs 20 wardec. Right now, the defender can pull in many hundreds or even thousands of allies, and there is no way a small corp would be able to deal with that.

See the thing is this kind of wardec has no objective, no purpose, no win conditions and now no surrender penalty for the attacker. Because its a pointless vapid waste-of-time

Sound reasoning? From Jade Constantine?

It must be a trap.

#4 is excluded from from the aforementioned sound reasoning.

If you mutual declare a war, you're not defending any more. You are saying you are not helpless and you will fight back. If you're needing allies to take the fight to them, that isn't necessarily true, is it?

War and PVP in an MMO built to be a huge open War PVP simulator is a "waste of time"?

Oh, christ.

No, just no so many times.

By the way, Jade, you called your system "Destruction Testing the New Wardec System"

Well, seems you broke it and it's being fixed. Isn't that the point of a "destruction test" - to find the weak spots and fix it? They're literally tests to find the breaking point.

I think you can actually claim OP success.

But instead, because you don't like the result, it's waaaaaaa Goons win wwaaaaaaaaaaaa

By the way, Jade, you called your system "Destruction Testing the New Wardec System"

Well, seems you broke it and it's being fixed. Isn't that the point of a "destruction test" - to find the weak spots and fix it? They're literally tests to find the breaking point.

I think you can actually claim OP success.

But instead, because you don't like the result, it's waaaaaaa Goons win wwaaaaaaaaaaaa

Well remember when Mittani informed his troops that Burn Jita would be a test of CCP's commitment to emergent gameplay and whether they'd intervene to destroy the sandbox by protecting it?

Kinda this. Only this time CCP have intervened to protect the big-boys from the implications and consequences of the Inferno wardec system.

I just noticed these and well done! All we need now is corpse dressing!

And yet CCP took the one fix that caters solely to large alliances instead of a real fix. Care to explain that Mr. CSM guy?

Well remember when Mittani informed his troops that Burn Jita would be a test of CCP's commitment to emergent gameplay and whether they'd intervene to destroy the sandbox by protecting it?

Kinda this. Only this time CCP have intervened to protect the big-boys from the implications and consequences of the Inferno wardec system.

You see, the reason that CCP are helping goons is because goons are CCP and therefore,

nice one, haquer, you started him off again

They make it an awful lot easier to pod the ex tornado pilots with fast lock rifters post gank though - especially when said pods are not going properly gcc due to bizzaro inexplicable bugs.

no new mods :( was so looking forward to seeing the extreme rigs for frigates, or the micro jump drive get introduced, 1.1 seems a bit lackluster :(, i mean the v3 is pretty but :( still a sad panda