You are not familiar with Jade, I see. Not a customer, back in the day?

I'm just mad posting a bit. I thought that's what this thread was about? Did I make error?!

OFC I am. I'm just mad posting a bit. I thought that's what this thread was about? Did I make error?!

Aside from the fact that unlimited allies completely **** over any chance of mercenaries having a chance, it was just a dumb thing. When all of this came up at the CSM Summit the primary examples discussed were about what had happened with EVE Uni and how it would affect the Mercenary profession, which is something CCP does intend to keep working toward making viable. Unlike in the past, CCP has recognized this was a dumb thing and have acted to fix it quickly. I'm not a fan of this EXACT fix but maybe it'll change a bit more between now and release. Regardless, unlimited allies was a dumb thing.

However, this tinfoil idiocy is an even dumber thing. You want to argue about the mechanics, fine. If you don't like the way they are now or the way the changes will make them, that's fine too. But check the tinfoil crap at the door.

I cannot fathom how after nine years of this game being live anyone could really BELIEVE that the people that work on it give two ***** about the colors on a map or what corp / alliance is affected by balance changes. I worked at CCP in Game Design for over three years and I never made a decision or a change based upon how it would affect in game ~politics~ and no one I worked with did either. It's completely off the rails to suggest that someone like CCP Soundwave takes his cues from anyone other than CCP Unifex, the guy that does his salary reviews. It's even more absurd to bring CCP Screegs into anything related to Game Design because the guy is too busy hammering bots and RMTers; he's got nothing to do with this stuff.

It's just too dumb; I refuse to believe that you believe this stuff, Jade. The more you rabble about it along those lines, the less attention anyone is going to pay to you. Stick to talking about the actual mechanics and stop this nonsense.

If Goons do indeed have the devs working for them, then why in the name of Loki's thorny codpiece cobra do you expect that posting on the forums will help?

Shaming CCP into doing the opposite to prove they're not allied with Goonswarm.

These changes are so bad they make one think in terms of political manipulations and dodgy disproportionate advantage. It doesn't help of course that we've been listening to Goonswarm boasting about their influence over developers for years now and then we get a significant nerfing of the Inferno alliance system to the clear advantage of one particular alliance that currently is decced by 70 defensive allies - well, it does look a bit dodgy.

One of the things you guys on the CSM are supposed to provide is a breadth of experience to help avoid this kind of fiasco.

I'm still waiting on your elucidation on why goonswarm leaders should be deathly afraid of someone in hisec, while the rank and file doesn't care.

And how, pray tell, by Thor's immense spam hammer, do you expect that to work?

If Goons do indeed have the devs working for them, then why in the name of Loki's thorny codpiece cobra do you expect that posting on the forums will help?

Well, what if we don't think its a fiasco? This is one of those cases where the breadth of experience provided by the CSM led to a fairly consistent conclusion - unlimited allies doesn't make for good gameplay. Not that the CSM was unanimous, but most of us though this was a bad idea and that it defeated the whole purpose of having a competitive "mercenary marketplace" in the first place.

Having a "breadth of experience" doesnt mean the feedback has to be split 50/50 on every issue.

If CCP wants to prove the "devswarm" accusations false, they would make all wardecs against Goons free, implement targeting stacking penalty, and enable entire alliances to be banned from Eve with a majority vote of all other players, consequences of these actions be damned. Until then, they will keep getting accused of making Goonswarm win Eve.

So what about the compromise solution where you don't pay concord for allies as long as the total headcount of defender + all allies is less than the total headcount of the aggressor?

This puts an upper limit on allies for most smaller wars - while allowing proper countering of a giant alliance wardeccing a smaller alliance.

I'm the one spearheading for reforms to the Inferno war dec system and the CSM has pretty solidly been behind the changes we discussed prior to and during the CSM summit.

The slight cost added to taking new allies was not one of those changes, I do not support it, and I do not think the CSM as a whole is too enthused (though Issler doesn't support it for different reasons than the rest of us do: it's still ****).

Its just possible the developers in question might be open to doing some better with the wardec changes than just handing the whole mechanic over to giant alliances as a expensive toy priced out of the reach of the little guys.

I agree with Jade. If you couldn't bring in world renowned PvP allies like
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to fight the Goon menace, then there is NO WAY to fight them. It's impossible, really. The only way to kill Goons is to have 100 random allies in Empire. Then and only then can their nullsec empire crumble.

Guys, before this goes on any further, kindly take off the hats and get real - we do not develop with one corp or alliance in mind...

I'm glad to hear that Alekseyev - thanks for your comment. I mean when/if this thing does go live it will create some ridiculous situations. I mean Seleene can froth at me all he likes saying "how dare you accuse CCP of being unbalanced in favour of goons" but thats exactly how its going to look when the goons can wardec at target for 50m isk and it takes potentially unlimited ISK to count the dec through the allied system.

By Ymir's ponderous joy-juice javelin, why do you think, if the evs were so blatantly in the pocket of Goonswarm, they'd change course simply because you complained about it?

CCP on this issue is a bit like slumbering King Th+¬oden and there are some evil Gr+¡ma Wormtongue's on the CSM whispering to his ear that anybody who isn't a member of 5000 man alliance is a traitor to Rohan.