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Kraken Kill
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:12:00 -
[541]
Atlas are going to Rule 0.0 with our Invincable Cap Fleet now! The Halo Implants Angels Drop means enemy Nags and Phoenix will do virtually No damage! muhahahaha!
Halos the new Slaves c/d?
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Sajeera
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:12:00 -
[542]
Must give the props to Nozh for achieving something that many great leaders failed at:
To unite all 0.0 ...... against himself 
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Puss Bag
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:12:00 -
[543]
 Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Hello everyone,
While we all appreciate that this is a very hot topic item we would urge you to be constructive and on topic with your feedback. Personal attacks, flaming and trolling will not be permitted and posts of this nature will be removed by the Community team and may result in a warning or ban. We want you to discuss this issue but it must remain on topic and friendly.
We would also advise you that posting "٩๏̯͡๏)۶" or "Free Abathur" are considered spam and will also be removed.
CCP Navigator;
This wouldn't be as hot a topic if we could get an explanation as to why CCP Abathur's very well received ideas were discarded two and a half weeks before Dominion, without announcement (somebody noticed it on Sisi), and have been replaced by CCP Nozh with very.... different... ideas.
The fact that the ideas that CCP Nozh has presented are as far as I can tell idiotic is only a small part of the problem; the larger problem is that they were introduced with no input from the players and with no explanation as to why CCP Abathur's changes were removed.
This is without even considering the effects that repeated announcements have had on the Mothership/supercarrier market.
Let's break it down:
CCP Abathur and players: extensive testing and balancing on sisi with supercarriers and titans. Result: well-received changes, ships were finally good enough to be worth using for their price. All signs point to these changes going to TQ.
- one week passes -
CCP Nozh: I am changing pretty much everything and giving no shred of an explanation why.
Players: WTF.
CCP Nozh: okay i guess those changes were bad, I'll give them an additional fighter and let them dock.
Players: DOUBLEYEW TEE EFF
- threadnaught occurs -
CCP Nozh: Well clearly since those ideas weren't well received we won't be doing anything to motherships at all. Also, you can totally target paint ships that are immune to electronic warfare.
Players: WHAT NONSENSE IS THIS
Even as someone without a direct interest in the state of motherships, the way this has panned out is frankly appalling and makes me feel betrayed.
Most of all, though,
Originally by: CCP Nozh
As designers we need to do is take a few steps back, deliberate more (with your help), go through more testing (also with your help) and really perfect the Mothership redesign.
The deliberation and testing was already done. CCP Abathur did it. Please explain why they were undone.
FREE ABATHUR
booooooooooosh.
Seriously CCP Nozh, I want to know, did you just get out of online video game school, somehow get hired by CCP, and just monkey**** your way into redoing motherships?
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ep1k
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:12:00 -
[544]
It only took them 2 weeks to respond to the sovereignty issues with an update. Plenty of time for them to get this settled before dominion.
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Minto Took
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:13:00 -
[545]
Every 0.0 alliance should wardec CCP Alliance.
Just a thought.
FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
Ban CCP Nozh (and stucks) |
Hratli Smirks
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:14:00 -
[546]
٩๏̯͡๏)۶
Target painting? Seriously? You're gonna target paint that sieged dread?
Seriously I kind of think "CCP Nozh" is some kind of communal posting account that's being used to grief cap pilots which I think is great because honestly a real human being cannot seriously be in charge of balancing things when he knows less about capital ships than I do (a three month old player.)
٩๏̯͡๏)۶
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Rascael
Rascaels
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:15:00 -
[547]
Whine, *****, and Moan, Now you get what you want.
Too bad everyone that whined about the drop in price, loss of drones, and docking capabilities for the mom's they have cooking, will now whine that they are staying the same.
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:15:00 -
[548]
Actually just spent some time on SISI looking at the dps of turrets on the Erebus VS Moros. with all skill at 5 a moros will out DPS an erebus purely becuase of the Base fitting of a dread ( most of them if not all have 3*damage mods and therefore increase the rate of fire). The erebus or the avatar under current game mechanics can not sacrifice those slots.
Under current game mechanics if a Titan gets tackle in a capital fight and remains tackle it would die in 3.5 minutes to a dread fleet, just like the one IT had running under 2 hours ago in a regular op.
Now CCP my questions are the following:
1) You claim you want the titan to be logistic ship, yet instead of boosting the logistic capabilities you just blaime the player base for not realising their role in the last 2+ years. Now do you really believe the player based community is too dum to realise the potential you claim? or wouldnt it be more logical that you CCP have infact undermined the role of the titan all together and have a wrong appreciation of their real value?
2) You say the titans will be able and I quote " to cause havock in a capital fight", may we the player base find out what facts you are baising this statement on? and no the number of HP is not that relevant when you see cap fights involving 300 dreads, where a pos is put in reinforce in under 3 minutes.
3) Every name you have choosen for the titans are based on legends or greek heroes... which represents death and suffering, how is that represented in your game mechanics? By being logistical beast? which by the way they arent, they just save you from doing a few jumps for lazzy ppl.
4)In an Economical " hypathetic" what is the return an alliance gets by building one titan (45 billion mins + BPC/BPO) over building lets say 30 dreads ( 750 million+BPC/BPO), the dreads will represent rafly 15 times more kills (even including new DD) and represent 3 to 4 more times more HP on the battle field.
5) By nerfing the titans and motherships so much, how do you justify the amount of hours spent by most 0.0 alliance over the last 2 years in the production of those mentioned super capitals.
6)By delaying the release of motherships based on your unhappyness with the changes and at the same time admitting the ship has no real purpuse, What you would say to current mothership pilots for them to keep paying their suscription for another 6 month? or do you actually expect them to just sit quietly and not moan?
7) How do you justify the change of development leadership over the last 2 weeks? Do you think those changes will affect your credibility?
8) as stated nultiple times in this thread that target painters dont work on the intended targets, How do you plan to implement new "effective chances" if you dev team does not seem to understand game mechanics in the firts place?
There are some many more questions is unfunny and tbh i¦d be already extremely surprise if you actually answer any question raised in this thread let alone one of mine.
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Fear the french touch.
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:17:00 -
[549]
O_______o
you're kidding......
target painting to boost capital missile damage.....
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Letifer Deus
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:23:00 -
[550]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Please keep your replies on topic. Remember, posting something that is not constructive will be removed.
Originally by: Bahamir
CooL!
^this is a constructive post.
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Kraken Kill
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:25:00 -
[551]
Any word on the suggested changes to address the 'slaves vs broken-crystal' implant issue that was mentioned a month ago and no one has heard anything about since? |
Lil Maniac
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:25:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Tamar Kaiz
Originally by: The Mittani
The playerbase tested the new motherships over several weeks on SiSi and found them good.
Some genius put you in charge of Abathur's good work, and now you've not only screwed up all the effort that went into testing those ships, now there's to be no improvement at all.
Where is your credibility on caps? Who are you? Have you fought in a supercapital, lost a supercapital on the field?
Is this the new CCP, or the old CCP rearing its terrible, incompetent head?
//Signed//
Get someone that know what they are doing in charge of this!!!
//Signed//
get a new Dev incharge of this!!!
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Conal Orion
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:26:00 -
[553]
Fact, regarding about 95% of current MMOs: customer service/relations really don't exist, despite fan convention seminars and testimonials otherwise.
Threats to suspend accounts and quit playing are generally disregarded, because all players are presumed to be hopeless, drooling addicts, who will never quit their current time and money investment. The only ones you really want to care about are new blood, because if you have enough new players replacing the ones that quit, you maintain enough market share, without having to provide any customer satisfaction-- spend the money on advertising, instead. Moreover, to new players, all your old content seems new and shiny.
Even if owners believe that some may quit, they generally presume that it will be a minority and that they'll still replace them, or make enough money.
Underestimating player discontent killed Warhammer Online recently.
If the playerbase actually does tough up, and enough quit to make the owners wake up, it may be too late for the game unless people are poised to re-up, and the owners know it.
Finally: not listening to players does have a reason behind it. Many players do not truly care about game balance (or even understand it), they just want more benefits for what they want to play. Therefore, management reasons, bowing to player pressure will ultimately kill the game anyway.
Obviously, going too far in either direction-- kowtowing to players or disregarding them-- is an error.
That said, there are veteran players here that CCP has, in the past, said that they listen to.
What it comes down to is this: if they don't listen, what will you do about it? If this is all emo-rage, with no follow up, then you simply prove that you have no clout. Empty threats don't accomplish very much. Spamming platitudes doesn't accomplish very much.
Are you actually prepared to suspend subs to make your point?
Ultimately, the paying consumer has only ONE tool when people stop listening to them. Stop paying. Never draw a line in the sand, unless you're willing to back it up.
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Cpt Underpants
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:27:00 -
[554]
Originally by: The Mittani
The playerbase tested the new motherships over several weeks on SiSi and found them good.
Some genius put you in charge of Abathur's good work, and now you've not only screwed up all the effort that went into testing those ships, now there's to be no improvement at all.
Where is your credibility on caps? Who are you? Have you fought in a supercapital, lost a supercapital on the field?
Is this the new CCP, or the old CCP rearing its terrible, incompetent head?
/Signed
Also...
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 20/11/2009 01:03:43
Target Painters
***Do NOT Work***
on Supercaps, Structures, or Sieged Caps
NOBODY who has this little knowledge of game mechanics should be handed such an important job.
Supercaps are the "end game" for many players and few ever reach that goal. You are effectively taking their love of your game, dropping your pants and taking a big fat dump on our respective foreheads.
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Battle Tested
Shiva
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:28:00 -
[555]
Originally by: Battle Tested
On a serious note....How can you, after admitting the mothership was broken in today's capital warfare, go back to it's original stats? How can you sit back and let people go into mass production after the well accepted and playerbase approved CCP Abathur changes to only change them to crap and then back to worse crap? Then, upon our dissaproval tell us we can't express our feelings of how you deceived us and how you are ruining the game that we have invested so much time and money into. This is bull****, straight up bull****. Just like SGE...EVE will be a thing of the past, and there is no fixing it once you push away your customers.
WTB: legitimate response from CCP |
Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:28:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Kraken Kill
Any word on the suggested changes to address the 'slaves vs broken-crystal' implant issue that was mentioned a month ago and no one has heard anything about since?
Woh there cowboy. They are still figuring out that capital fights happen at close range and that there are actually things that can't be target painted, lets slow our roll here. They'll get to really complicated stuff like completely broken implant sets when they figure out the basics. Lets give them some time.
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Ice Fist
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:29:00 -
[557]
This entire debacle is like promising people a ride in a first-class ocean-liner complete with alcohol, strippers, and good weather, and setting us in the middle of the north atlantic in a rowboat without a paddle with 20 foot swells on all sides.
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VonKaplanek III
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:29:00 -
[558]
I remember a few years back Mittens ordered a timely threadnaught to shame ccp into doing something. I don't agree with what they did but I remember the response from CCP. There was talk about bans and court proceedings etc etc etc.
Now CCP orcastrates the most explosive threadnaught ever 18 pages in just a shot period of time and climbing. So who are they going to ban and blame this time?
Mittens, Remedial and Darius, you can stop trying to ruin the game, CCP is doing just fine on their own.
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Puncher
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:31:00 -
[559]
:headshot:
Nozh single-handedly kills all of the most anticipated changes in your upcoming expansion.
hirr
Tribute: Welcome to the 'Nam. |
Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:31:00 -
[560]
Guys, dont be fooled, this is just another part of CCP's Unholy Rage campaign to stop RMT.
Seriously, characters and ISK will be worthless when this stuff goes through.
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Jim Eat
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:32:00 -
[561]
Edited by: Jim Eat on 20/11/2009 02:35:34
CCP thanks for letting me waste all that time training up for a ship I don't even want to use anymore.
Why don't you figure out a way to let me convert all those skill points into something you haven't totaly screwed up yet?
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Mikel Banks
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:32:00 -
[562]
Originally by: VonKaplanek III
Mittens, Remedial and Darius, you can stop trying to ruin the game, CCP is doing just fine on their own.
blammo
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Headwires
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:33:00 -
[563]
Originally by: VonKaplanek III
I remember a few years back Mittens ordered a timely threadnaught to shame ccp into doing something. I don't agree with what they did but I remember the response from CCP. There was talk about bans and court proceedings etc etc etc.
Now CCP orcastrates the most explosive threadnaught ever 18 pages in just a shot period of time and climbing. So who are they going to ban and blame this time?
Mittens, Remedial and Darius, you can stop trying to ruin the game, CCP is doing just fine on their own.
our work here is done boys, time to go back to second life :smug:
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Johndalar
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:34:00 -
[564]
Don't roll out any of the Projectile changes! They are all half-ass'd and out of all the "feedback" you say you want you don't listen to any of it. My god your arty "alpha" fix works better on Ammar ships. I though CCP was a company that actually played the game and were a part of the community, thats what I was told anyway but thank you for showing me your not any different from Sony or Microsoft. Mark my words employees of CCP if this is how you company is going to run you will all be looking for new job by next year. and from what I hear it is kind of hard to GET a job in Iceland these days.....
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Battle Tested
Shiva
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:34:00 -
[565]
Originally by: Jim Eat
CCP thanks for letting me waste all that time training up for a ship I don't even want to use anymore.
Why don't figure out a way to let me convert all those skill points into something you haven't totaly screwed up yet?
the only thing they havent screwed up is faction BS's for the lvl 4 empire mission runners....go figure? Good Luck in Motsu Jim |
Vanija
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:36:00 -
[566]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 20/11/2009 01:03:43
Target Painters
***Do NOT Work***
on Supercaps, Structures, or Sieged Caps
CCP Nozh ^^ read that it provides valuable information.
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William Caldon
Caldari
Golden Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:36:00 -
[567]
Edited by: William Caldon on 20/11/2009 02:39:51
Originally by: Ralph42nd
lots of rage, rage, I need to get out and see sunshine, etc
Wow, lots of rage there. You realize that trolling is against CCP's forum policy right? Thus they are in the right. Go on, keep being righteous...your not.
Also, I've noticed that 90% of all this feedback is basically trolling from Goons. Thus 90% is actually worthless. Go figure. Oh and keep flaming, it totally impresses your alliance, your corp and yourself. (In other words, you could be mature, but your not, thus making it hard for people like CCP and myself to take you seriously) Also, CCP has fully explained their actions. Why can't you figure that out?
@Minto: you have no idea what I do.
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Syno Ahlt
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:37:00 -
[568]
Edited by: Syno Ahlt on 20/11/2009 02:37:34
I normally don't post on CAOD, but this merited a post.
In all seriousness, what the hell were you guys at CCP thinking? At the risk of sounding like the hordes before me, do you even -play- this game? Seriously.... it's unbelievable. Absolutely mind-blowing how messed up this is.
Get someone who's competent. At very least, get someone who knows how this game works, and not someone safely walled off from real-word, real-time play.
I'm adding my voice to this cacophony to try to get you guys to change direction. You guys have a lot of talent, but it seems that your greatest talent is to arouse the entirely deserved anger of your paying customers. This game is designed for -us-. If you've got 2 pages per minute of posts about how awful a set of prescribed changes are, that probably means they're pretty awful.
I know my one post among many will probably not make much of a difference, but this travesty deserved a sincere reply.
So here it is:
CCP, you guys need to listen to us. Listen to us, not to calculator-punchers who don't ever log in or fly in combat. LISTEN TO US. Bring back the people who do.
Peace.
Btw, for some reason it posted this on my alt's name, but this is Ghuarran.
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Vanija
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:37:00 -
[569]
Also, you are ****ing terrible. Hopes this helps.
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Minto Took
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:37:00 -
[570]
Edited by: Minto Took on 20/11/2009 02:41:21
Edited by: Minto Took on 20/11/2009 02:40:51
Originally by: William Caldon
Originally by: Ralph42nd
lots of rage, rage, I need to get out and see sunshine, etc
Wow, lots of rage there. You realize that trolling is against CCP's forum policy right? Thus they are in the right. Go on, keep being righteous...your not.
Also, I've noticed that 90% of all this feedback is basically trolling from Goons. Thus 90% is actually worthless. Go figure. Oh and keep flaming, it totally impresses your alliance, your corp and yourself. (In other words, you could be mature, but your not, thus making it hard for people like CCP and myself to take you seriously) Also, CCP has fully explained their actions. Why can't you figure that out?
Go back to your high-sec missions.
Also, I only consider opinions from people who understand the proper usage of "your" and "you're."
FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
Ban CCP Nozh (and stucks) |
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