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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:21:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. GǪwhich would make it completely unlike what is going on here, so that's a red herring. Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question? She didn't say "unlikely" she said "unlike" This item was given away for free. The market price for it stabilized at some value due to whatever. The correct analogy would be if the Government gave people a Pony for free if they did some other action, then started selling Ponies to other people for a nickel. If, between those times, you bought a pony for something more than a nickel, you lost at your investment. Too bad, so sad.
So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:23:00 -
[632] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question? It's not similar because no-one had you do anything. You chose to take the risk of your own volition. As such, while I can answer the question, it is of no relevance to the topic at hand.
Oh let me restate my question then. Lets say the government made it sound as if Bear Stern was a decent investment. Does this make you happy now? You are telling me that you will be ok if your investment turns to dust? |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:24:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. GǪwhich would make it completely unlike what is going on here, so that's a red herring. Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question? She didn't say "unlikely" she said "unlike" This item was given away for free. The market price for it stabilized at some value due to whatever. The correct analogy would be if the Government gave people a Pony for free if they did some other action, then started selling Ponies to other people for a nickel. If, between those times, you bought a pony for something more than a nickel, you lost at your investment. Too bad, so sad. So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8407
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:26:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Straw man, deflection and denial. Where is the strawman? Where is the deflection? What am I denying?
Why can't you show where I'm telling the OP and the devs that they are wrong?
The Antiquarian wrote:So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk? Actually, you are essentially saying that because you insist on calling it an investment. Investments occasionally fail to generate a return (or even pay themselves back), you knowGǪ
Quote:Oh let me restate my question then. Lets say the government made it sound as if Bear Stern was a decent investment. Does this make you happy now? You are telling me that you will be ok if your investment turns to dust? It's still on me to do the due diligence and analysis on the investment, and I still have to accept the risk of it failing in spite of those efforts. Regardless, that's still a red herring, since as far as anyone has been able to show, there is nothing to suggest that CCP made the shirt sound like a decent investment. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Straw man, deflection and denial. Where is the strawman? Where is the deflection? What am I denying? Why can't you show where I'm telling the OP and the devs that they are wrong? The Antiquarian wrote:So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk? Actually, you are essentially saying that because you insist on calling it an investment. Investments occasionally fail to generate a return (or even pay themselves back), you knowGǪ
Tippia, are you saying that those who purchased the Shirt prior to this artificial devaluation by CCP's own mistake, doesn't deserve any compensation? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8407
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:31:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia, are you saying that those who purchased the Shirt prior to this artificial devaluation by CCP's own mistake, doesn't deserve any compensation? Why would they? They either got it for free, or they got what they paid for, or they gambled and lost.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia, are you saying that those who purchased the Shirt prior to this artificial devaluation by CCP's own mistake, doesn't deserve any compensation? Why would they? They either got it for free, or they got what they paid for, or they gambled and lost.
So you are telling me that if you purchased Estamel's module for 2.2B and its market value declines to 22M the next day solely from the artificial devaluation caused by CCP's mistake, you won't care? That you will act like nothing happened? You will consider that as part of the risk and move on without asking CCP for any compensation? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8408
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:42:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:So you are telling me No, I'm asking you a question that you've been avoiding for the last 20 pages or so.
Quote:if you purchased Estamel's module for 2.2B and its market value declines to 22M the next day solely from the artificial devaluation caused by CCP's mistake, you won't care? Oh I'll care. As mentioned, this will mean I can now give ships a 400% shield EHP boost for about 40M and have tons of slots left for more interesting things. I'd care a great deal about such a nice (massive) buff. Had I dope-slapped myself over not waiting a day? Maybe, but then again, if I could splash out the aforementioned 6.6bn on a couple of modules, it would mean I could afford it to begin with, and ISK is just ISK. If nothing else, I can now afford to lose a ship with those mods on and not look very silly on the killboards.
I'd still have the modules and they'd still serve the purpose they always did, and again, the tears of the T2 inventors and BPO holders would soothe any lingering pain. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
267
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:42:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Ok obviously you and I think very differently. Let me try another example. Lets say U.S. Government had you buy Bear Sterns company for $20 billion. GǪwhich would make it completely unlike what is going on here, so that's a red herring. Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question? She didn't say "unlikely" she said "unlike" This item was given away for free. The market price for it stabilized at some value due to whatever. The correct analogy would be if the Government gave people a Pony for free if they did some other action, then started selling Ponies to other people for a nickel. If, between those times, you bought a pony for something more than a nickel, you lost at your investment. Too bad, so sad. So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk?
Yep. You entered a market which had nothing propping up the prices beside an artificial rarity. That was your choice. The primary risk you face is the rarity disappearing. You had to judge whether that risk was worth it. If you didn't think that through, that's on you.
Also, this means your OP and Thread title are disingenuous if you bought the item on the market. -RubyPorto
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1572
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Posted - 2012.07.07 22:38:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:
Yep. You entered a market which had nothing propping up the prices beside an artificial rarity. That was your choice. The primary risk you face is the rarity disappearing. You had to judge whether that risk was worth it. If you didn't think that through, that's on you.
Also, this means your OP and Thread title are disingenuous if you bought the item on the market.
You mean the artificial rarity that CCP has confirmed to be intended? On an item that was confirmed by CCP to be a one time promotional item?
I can't be bothered to link anymore than I can with the other troll, but I'm sure you are able to figure out how to check the blue posts in this thread to confirm.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8412
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Posted - 2012.07.07 22:48:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:You mean the artificial rarity that CCP has confirmed to be intended? On an item that was confirmed by CCP to be a one time promotional item?
I can't be bothered to link anymore than I can with the other troll How is it a troll to explain the basic risk of the GÇ£investmentGÇ¥ the OP made? How does what the devs said in any way affect the fact that the OP made the decision to take that risk?
You can quote the devs as much as you like, but just like with my question (that neither of you have been able to answer), it doesn't actually address the point being made. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Irwin
Intersteller Inventions Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 23:39:00 -
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been following this topic and am still waiting for an end to it all... or do I have to wait until Friday 29th June 2013? Maybe I got the dates mixed up.. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 02:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:You mean the artificial rarity that CCP has confirmed to be intended? On an item that was confirmed by CCP to be a one time promotional item?
I can't be bothered to link anymore than I can with the other troll How is it a troll to explain the basic risk of the GÇ£investmentGÇ¥ the OP made? How does what the devs said in any way affect the fact that the OP made the decision to take that risk? You can quote the devs as much as you like, but just like with my question (that neither of you have been able to answer), it doesn't actually address the point being made.
Once again, the way you and I think are so different that we will never be able to come up with compromising answer that is mutually agreeable by both of us. Just because the way we think is different, doesn't necessary mean one is right and other is wrong.
I label all ingame items that exist in EVE Online as "investments" because they are means to not only maintain the value of our initial capital, but to yield additional returns. As you claim, you are absolutely right that just like any other investments, these assets carry risk where they could also yield negative return. But at the same time, we are not strictly abiding by the Finance-concept of risk because we do not keep these items purely for finance-investment & speculative purpose.
Our purpose extends beyond that. We hold these unique items to satisfy our innate desires as collectors. You also believe in EVE Online being a sandbox where a player could do anything he or she wants? EVE throws a rubric cube at us and it's up to us to decide what the **** to do with it. Perhaps speculation is an unavoidable evil in collecting profession, but we are not holding these unique items just for the sole purpose of seeing our net worth go up. What we ask is some form of "stability" that CCP has generously provided to other professions.
We consider "collecting" as a legitimate profession and the only thing we ask is for CCP to give as much respect to our profession as it does to any other professions in EVE including PvPing, Roleplaying, and PvEing missioners. One way for CCP to legitimize and give equal weight to our profession is to provide a stable environment where our collection doesn't go under water. Have you seen an instance where without a single warning, CCP deprived countless hours of PvPers' collective effort by making the power of the super-capitals equal to that of cruisers? Have you seen an instance where a missioner was deprived of countless hours he put into faction standing by having CCP announce without a warning, that you are only entitled only to level 1 mission? Have you ever seen an instance where CCP ban the provision of outside services to obtain ISK (including corp logo creation, killmail systems, teamspeak for payment), etc, without warning? From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession."
If you can't see the difference, then I have nothing more to say to you. You can keep playing word games of yours, but I can't guarantee you that I will be reading any more of your postings.
CCP already admitted that reissuance of Ishukone Shirt and Women's Executor (Red/Gold) was a grave mistake on CCP's part and they will be providing the disadvantaged parties with appropriate compensation. You can keep telling everyone that we do not deserve a single compensation, but CCP already disagrees with you on that. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
164
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Posted - 2012.07.08 06:23:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:You forgot to mention the point that if 3 of your Estamel modules' market value dropped from 6.6B to 0.06B, you would most likely be equally enraged and rage-quitted your subscription.
You keep claiming that Estamel and Ishukone shirts are different. They are not. You would've held Estamel not only because it is a powerful module, but also, because it has an investment value. Ishuokone Special Edition Shirt is a "powerful shirt (awesome fashion statement that provides immeasurable feeling of bliss for certain roleplayers or collectors!!!)" that has an investment value as well.
Couldn't be more wrong here, because I actually like EVE for other reasons than the stuff I have in it. The nature of EVE is what keeps me here. So long as I've got a shiny new ibis and a golden mining laser of hope, I'm good. The sandbox is mine. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 07:52:00 -
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Mechael wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:You forgot to mention the point that if 3 of your Estamel modules' market value dropped from 6.6B to 0.06B, you would most likely be equally enraged and rage-quitted your subscription.
You keep claiming that Estamel and Ishukone shirts are different. They are not. You would've held Estamel not only because it is a powerful module, but also, because it has an investment value. Ishuokone Special Edition Shirt is a "powerful shirt (awesome fashion statement that provides immeasurable feeling of bliss for certain roleplayers or collectors!!!)" that has an investment value as well. Couldn't be more wrong here, because I actually like EVE for other reasons than the stuff I have in it. The nature of EVE is what keeps me here. So long as I've got a shiny new ibis and a golden mining laser of hope, I'm good. The sandbox is mine. Losing is all part of the fun, and often times even more fun than winning when there's a great story attached.
I wholeheartedly agree. Losing 6.6B worth of investment is great when the loss stems from Goons suicide ganking and it makes a terrific story and I would even compliment Goons for a job well done.
But when I lose 6.6B because of CCP's carelessness mistake, there is nothing glorious about that. |
Dealth Striker
Striker Ltd
15
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Posted - 2012.07.08 08:26:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Alaura Aquila wrote: Will the shirts we bought for 500 Aur be deleted after the "fix"?
Nope! Thank you for providing us with prompt responses. In that case, could you kindly let us know what is being planned to provide a fair and appropriate compensation for the investors who were disenfranchised by the devaluation of their investments on Ishukone Special Edition & Women's Executor (Red/Gold)? Wouldn't it be only fair that we are compensated for another set of unique items currently non-existant in the market as part of returning our financials to the previous status while simultaneously providing us with the reparation for all the inconvenience this issue has caused? I am working with Torfi to resolve this situation for everyone as quickly as possible. As this affects several hundred pilots we want to make sure that we are doing it right and as fairly to everyone as possible. There are two different scenarios here and the issue of the Ishukone shirt and Executor coat are different. I will explain why: Ishukone Sterling Shirt - Issued over a very specific time frame. This item should only be valid for pilots who participated in the PLEX offer which happened in October 2011. Women's Executor Coat -Part of the Russian Collectors edition which is still in circulation. While still a rare item, there will be more added to the game naturally as more people pick up a copy of the Russian box. I will aim to provide an update tomorrow on exactly what we plan to do. That plan is almost final, however, I do not want to state something which may change in the next 24 hours.
Good aim I see. Your def'n of 24 hours is alot different than mine. Sad really that there has no follow up but that is CCP's communication process I guess. We can take comfort that they actually admitted it was a mistake. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8414
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Posted - 2012.07.08 09:34:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession." The difference is that your collection is completely untouched, as is, by and large, you GÇ£professionGÇ¥.
You still have your item. It still performs the exact same function. As such, it is completely unlike the incomparables you listed GÇö the nerfed cruisers or removed standings or removed meta-functionality are all just that: removed functionality. Your shirt remains functionally identical and hasn't been changed in the slightest.
Yes, you could argue that its value changed, but then you're talking as a speculator, in which case I have to inform you that this is an insignificantly minute change compared to the vast speculation losses that have been caused by CCP's game changes over the years (cf. the dysproGåÆtech bottleneck changeover; the PI changes; any mineral adjustment ever made; hell, pretty much any adjustment ever to a set of raw materials).
So that's why we continuously arrive back at that same old question: why should they compensate you for something you got for free? If you're a collector, nothing is lost. If you're a speculator, then that's the name of the game GÇö better luck next time. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 09:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession." The difference is that your collection is completely untouched, as is, by and large, you GÇ£professionGÇ¥. You still have your item. It still performs the exact same function. As such, it is completely unlike the incomparables you listed GÇö the nerfed cruisers or removed standings or removed meta-functionality are all just that: removed functionality. Your shirt remains functionally identical and hasn't been changed in the slightest. Yes, you could argue that its value changed, but then you're talking as a speculator, in which case I have to inform you that this is an insignificantly minute change compared to the vast speculation losses that have been caused by CCP's game changes over the years (cf. the dysproGåÆtech bottleneck changeover; the PI changes; any mineral adjustment ever made; hell, pretty much any adjustment ever to a set of raw materials). So that's why we continuously arrive back at that same old question: why should they compensate you for something you got for free? If you're a collector, nothing is lost. If you're a speculator, then that's the name of the game GÇö better luck next time.
I gave my explanations again and again, for the past week and half, but obviously you are refusing to read anything anyone says. There is only one response to our trolling and that is using the ignore function on you.
Please do keep posting something because this thread definitely needs continuous bumping. |
Dealth Striker
Striker Ltd
15
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Posted - 2012.07.08 09:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:From time to time, CCP does make continuous changes to the preexisting gameplay that positively or negatively affect players' gameplay, but what CCP did with Ishukone shirt/Women (Gold/red) was not just a small change, but an utter devaluation of something we cherish. We are not merely holding these items for speculation purpose. We hold these unique items because we enjoy collecting and we have a belief that CCP won't do anything to **** over "our profession." The difference is that your collection is completely untouched, as is, by and large, you GÇ£professionGÇ¥. You still have your item. It still performs the exact same function. As such, it is completely unlike the incomparables you listed GÇö the nerfed cruisers or removed standings or removed meta-functionality are all just that: removed functionality. Your shirt remains functionally identical and hasn't been changed in the slightest. Yes, you could argue that its value changed, but then you're talking as a speculator, in which case I have to inform you that this is an insignificantly minute change compared to the vast speculation losses that have been caused by CCP's game changes over the years (cf. the dysproGåÆtech bottleneck changeover; the PI changes; any mineral adjustment ever made; hell, pretty much any adjustment ever to a set of raw materials). So that's why we continuously arrive back at that same old question: why should they compensate you for something you got for free? If you're a collector, nothing is lost. If you're a speculator, then that's the name of the game GÇö better luck next time.
Do you have a collection of items? I think you are not a collector, if you were, then you would understand that the item does not perform the exact same function now. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
344
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Posted - 2012.07.08 09:55:00 -
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Geez people, this was an CCP SNAFU. Nothing done by design.
Just give the rich guy with the butt plug eye a bucket load of ISK as compensation and let's get back to our regularly scheduled griping.
In principle recycling something that has been 'sold' as rare is pretty poor on CCP's part.
I'm sure Mr Old Guy won't go hungry, but man it's gotta be annoying. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8414
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:00:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:I gave my explanations again and again, for the past week and half, but obviously you are refusing to read anything anyone says. No. You kept responding with an irrelevant quote; you kept saying that you didn't read my posts; you dispensed red herrings as if there had been a fish explosion in a Swedish paint factory; you get posts removed for spamming and trolling; at some point, I'm fairly certain you just outright blocked me.
You never actually answered the question.
Yes, I understand that you lost money on your speculation. So what? It was your risk to take, and as far as CCP-caused speculation loss goes, it's fairly small. Why should you be compensated for it? Alternatively: yes, I understand that your collection was devalued. So what? It's still intact. Why should you be compensated for a non-loss? You got exactly what you wanted and you have exactly what you wanted and you didn't pay anything for it GÇö in fact, you got a whole lot of stuff at a discounted price. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:19:00 -
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This is great. I did not realize that silence could feel this good. Tippia, I suggest that you stop writing nonsense and just wait until CCP provides us with the response. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8417
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:22:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Tippia, I suggest that you stop writing nonsense GǪsuch as?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 10:48:00 -
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8417
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:15:00 -
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So. You have no good examples then.
Well, that's unsurprising since it's consistent with everything else you've failed to produce so far. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
512
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Posted - 2012.07.08 11:32:00 -
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Still waiting for the response from CCP. |
Disdaine
417
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Posted - 2012.07.08 12:27:00 -
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I feel sorry for you Tippia, I really do. |
iskflakes
Magnets Inc. Imperial Auxiliares Regiment
22
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Posted - 2012.07.08 13:35:00 -
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Still awaiting the details of the fix.
The sooner you fix it, the sooner this thread leaves the front page. |
Dr Grey
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:16:00 -
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Bad CCP
I disappointed that Peons could get a nice red coat like mine so easily
I had to sell TEST pony pictures to the Russians to get mine ......
I will only forgive you if you give me a mirror for my Supercap :)
NOW IS THE TIME FOR SWIFT AND DECISIVE ACTION CCP |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8421
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:32:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:I feel sorry for you Tippia, I really do. It's ok. I'm quite used to trolls not being able to answer simple questions or justify their stance. That's why I pose questions and ask them to justify their stance. So no need to feel sorry GÇö it's all in a day's workGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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