GǪwhich no-one has been able to show was actually advertised in the original offer. So when TA keeps banging on about Gǣreasonable assumptionsGǥ, there is actually nothing that seems particularly reasonable about them, leaving only a bog-standard GǣassumptionGǥ as the basis for his whining.

Since no one has been able to show what was in the offer, doesn't that make you and your conclusion as presumptuous as everyone else?

Is there no record of the original plex offer out there?

The OP is the one making the assertion that his assumption that CCP would never re-release a promotional item was reasonable. That the person making the assertion has the burden to provide evidence to defend their assessment is a longstanding tradition of debate.

You can't say "The Bigfoot is alive, Prove I'm wrong" and be taken seriously. You have to say "The Bigfoot is alive, here he is in a cage." That goes for any assertion, no matter how tame and ordinary because it's long been understood that disproving an assertion is impractical if not impossible.

This I can agree with right up to the point of vitrolic counter attacks effectively asserting that The Antiquarian position was factually false. At that point a counter assumption has been made and is being asserted in the same manner.

And at this point in the argument, with CCP conceding that this was intended as a one time offer of the item, it proves that while the accusation is less than prudently worded, there was an underlying question worthy of response.

He has yet to provide any evidence that his assumption was reasonable. Instead he has simply repeated his claims ad nauseaum and refused to respond (in any meaningful way) to any criticism pointing out that he's concerned about a free item or about the fact that CCP routinely re-releases promotional items or about his lack of evidence suggesting that his assumption is reasonable.

He has yet to provide any evidence that his assumption was reasonable. Instead he has simply repeated his claims ad nauseaum and refused to respond (in any meaningful way) to any criticism pointing out that he's concerned about a free item or about the fact that CCP routinely re-releases promotional items or about his lack of evidence suggesting that his assumption is reasonable.

Oh, and he keeps bumping his thread with content-free posts, which is annoying and against the forum's rules.

The accusation was unreasonable in my personal opinion, but the question of whether the expectation was reasonable or not is not one that anyone who doesn't work for CCP could answer. At best he can only reasonably ask the question. And part of that question is evaluating whether different acts for eligibility of an offer should set different expectations of handling. I think the answer to that is yes. Others clearly disagree. Either way the people arguing in this thread can't make the final determination

I am more curious as to how he came to the conclusion that throwing $230 on a virtual item to be a special cookie was a really great idea, only to find out six months later that everyone too can be a special cookie for basically nothing and now, he throws an angry self-entitlement tantrum because he is too stupid to handle money?

ADDENDUM

ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT & WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD)

Judging by the CCPGÇÖs recent action to remove the two highly controversial items from NEX Store, it shows CCPGÇÖs admittance on their mistake to release those two items on the NEX Store in the first place.

Removing those two items is an appropriate first step, but that does not provide any reparation for those who were adversely affected by CCPGÇÖs marketing failure. Those who took the GÇ£leap of faithGÇ¥ in CCPGÇÖs are still disenfranchised by seeing billions of their initial investments on these unique shirts turned to GÇ£dustGÇ¥ due to the untold number of those shirts being circulated out into the market, thanks to CCPGÇÖs mistake of releasing those items for $0.50 on NEX Store.

Obviously CCP can not take away hundreds of ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION SHIRT and WOMENGÇÖS EXECUTOR COAT (RED/GOLD) that were purchased for $0.50 post the recent patch.

CCP needs to make appropriate reparations in forms of another completely unique items to the previous owners of those rare apparels. That is the only GÇ£justGÇ¥ and GÇ£equitableGÇ¥ action.

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I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.

You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.

But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?

CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!

CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items. Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 2B. Now, it costs 20 million to purchase (although the price increased after CCP decided to stop the sale of Ishukone, the current market price is 1/10th of the original market value of 2B).


So far, this has been the message that CCP has indirectly expressed to all the supporters of Noble Exchange, cash for PLEXs, and all other marketing schemes:

"Thank you for your contribution. You assumed the risk and this is what you get. You will be the laughing stock of the entire community of EVE Online. We will remain mute for the rest of the period. Oh!! And don't forget: we are here sitting behind the desk, laughing at you too!"

Please refer to the following post on the Market Discussion for those who were adversely affected by CCP's recent flooding of pre-existing rare/unique outfits on NEX Store for fraction of their initial costs.

Sure it is. Reasonably assumptions are assumptions that are reasonable given the facts available to the person making the assumption at the time he made it. The OP has not shown any reason he had to believe that the Shirt would only be available through that offer at the time he accepted the offer..

How many offers of the same nature had been made at that time to draw a precedent (PLEX purchase offers yielding an extra and prior unreleased item)?

Irrelevant. The Text of the Offer is the issue in question. If it specifies that the item is one time only, he's got a case. If it's the offer that's one time only, he doesn't and he read something into it that wasn't there. OP's job is to find the text of the offer and post it and point out where it says the item is only going to be available through the offer.

You keep claiming that I am bumping this thread with "content-free" postings.

Once again, there was absolutely no reason for me to have hundreds of dollars of cash tied to PLEXs that I won't be able to spend for the next several years.

The Text of the Offer is the issue in question. If it specifies that the item is one time only, he's got a case. If it's the offer that's one time only, he doesn't and he read something into it that wasn't there.

Since CCP has repeatedly stated that the text of the offer was intended to convey what the Antiquarian has interpreted it as, the question has been answered to everyone but the trolls satisfaction.

If CCP will make these special ingame items available for merely hundredth of fraction of the initial "tied-in" arrangements or the costs,.

The Shirt cost nothing. You got a discount on the PLEX, so really CCP paid you to take the shirt. But we'll round the price of the shirt up to Free for the sake of argument.

CCP then made that Free item available for much more than its initial price of Free. This made you angry because you got something that other people will now have to pay for for Free...

Once you understand basic concepts of finance, you will understand my arguments.

And please tell me. So you think if CCP does rule in favor of your arguments, then are you telling me that it has absolutely no impact on the future of similar marketing promotions?

Anybody not smart enough to drop $900 on 3 pixel shirts is dumb and doesn't understand basic finance.

GǪexcept that whether or not the wording made it a reasonable assumption is still very much in question.

By you and the other two trolling perhaps.

CCP has confirmed that it is the intended one.

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GǪbut not whether it was reasonable to assume what the OP assumed, which is what's being discussed.

Of course it was reasonable to assume what the OP assumed.

Based on what? What did the ad and offer say to make him assume this?

Based on read the next sentence after the one you selectively quoted.