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Akiba Penrose	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Morgs44 Well yes you could fly away, but they are dropping them on anything. 2 super carriers for a t3? http://bl3h-united.com/kwfl/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=160470 I guess that Proteus pilot must have felt about the same as this myrm pilot; http://bl3h-united.com/kwfl//?a=kill_detail&kll_id=158881
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.04.26 15:23:00 - [32] What's that Skippy? 25b worth of ship tends to push the fight in the favour of the hotdropper? SAY IT AIN'T SO! Comon, if they're getting predictable lay a trap and get your own pretty killmail. If you're incapable of doing it then deal with it or invite somebody that can
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2010.04.26 15:27:00 - [33] Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/04/2010 15:36:12 Its a common problem and one that is certainly getting worse. And one without a ready counter for small to medium pvp corps and one which forces bigger and bigger blobs on the gates (which in turn leads carebears to scratch their head in amazement and yell "WHY YOU NEED 10 SHEP TO GANK ME!! BOOST SENTRY GUNS TO STOP THE BLOBS") The worst ive ever seen was SEVEN mother ships dropped onto a 3 man camp (from the old band of brothers alliance). Why do they do it? Because its fun when bored and they cant take out savy pirates any other way. They also use titan bridges to bridge in 40 head on your camp, but I do not object to this so much as it takes 40 pilots working together to defeat you instead of 2 bored MOM pilots with their scorpion alt. I think a 40 man gang with a good logistics chain should have a great chance of defeating a small gang. Also there is the possibility you can give them a good whipping if they aint on the ball tee hee. MASSIVE SPANKING of 40 man titan bridge on 6 man camp The best way to fix this would be to simply ban MOMS from lowsec. However this would attract massive emorage from the I SPENT 25 BILL ISK I EARNED FOR NO EFFORT WITH MY t2 BPO/ MOONGOLD ON THIS SHIP IT SHOULD BE GOOD. Basicaly your only defence is: Run like hell when the cyno goes up and leave a couple of ships to die - Bring in sniper ship at 155km and pop the wrecks / unclock neutral alt at 200km in t1 cruiser and warp in on wreck to grab your loot. Note down the cyno ships name and add the moms to adress book. or Run very large numbers of remote repping BS with massive armor soak tanks. Don't camp on a high sec gate either. When the cyno goes up, get deagressed immediately. All turn your remote rep on who is primaried and try to tank him out long enough to jump. Remote repping does not prevent gate jumps or docking (though it should be noted people are trying to change this over on the assembly hall). or Establish connections with local 0.0 power groups who would be only happy to provide some support for a MOM kill. However, the random nature of these hotdrops in practice makes this difficult to achieve. And anyway are we not supposed to be pirates thumbing our nose at the man? Not huddling together for warmth like some 3000 man 0.0 alliance of lemmings - Skulking like an agoraphobic with rickets from station dock to pos shield to jumpbridge to titan bridge to high sec in absolute terror of open space and the chance that someone might shoot at them SKUNK (o)
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.04.26 17:08:00 - [34] LOL, talk about irony. this thread form a corp that is part of an alliance that lives in rancer and smart bombs gates. I love pirate tears. cry more
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.26 17:19:00 - [35] Skunk, perhaps another way to handle this would be to have SCs and Titans lose ewar immunity in low sec. It's funny, because my corp was just talking about what to do with the recent SC/Titan resurgence in low sec. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Hesperius Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.26 17:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Sellmewarez Welcome to CAPITALS online. If you do not have one, please log back out and don't come back until you have. Best regards, The Eve Community. Exactly. Dominion made Titans the new battleships, everything else followed suit.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G	Posted - 2010.04.26 17:55:00 - [37] HI PL THX FOR THE 11 SUPERCARRIER HOTDROP IN LOWSEC ~~ ________
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:02:00 - [38] You were in a Phantasm? -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:03:00 - [39] If it's really this bad, how about introducing a new tier of cyno (alongside black ops and standard), require use of it for supercaps, and restricting it to 0.0? --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:16:00 - [40] Originally by: Liang Nuren You were in a Phantasm? -Liang It's my favorite ship, regardless of its class performance. ________

Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:34:00 - [41] Get friends, lay trap, cyno in a large number of hics, ceptors, carriers and dreads. Problem solved.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:35:00 - [42] What did you expect with having a freaking Phantasm on the battlefield? Would anything shy of 11 supercarriers dare face that and live? -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:44:00 - [43] I hear crying on the forums when you get outplayed is a viable tactic.
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:45:00 - [44] As a former Nyx pilot i can tell you: Capital fights don¦t happen all that often and involve a lot of planning and waiting. MOM (or supercarrier now) pilots are stuck in the ship and tend to get bored. If you own such a ship you wanna use it. I remember that i once dropped my nyx on a drake. A stupid thing to do but boredom does that to you when you can`t find a better target. That allways was in 0.0 space but it`s the same thing really. I don`t think supercarrier drops are a problem. They risk so much for little gain. You complain about it - then i guess it happened a lot. If it did they become predictable and killable. Buy those hics. If you pull it off - great kill - if not they will never try again after seeing you came with loads of hics. ___
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:46:00 - [45] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/04/2010 18:47:09 Originally by: Viper **zIe I hear crying on the forums when ~~you get outplayed~~ enemies bring uncounterable ships is a viable tactic. FTFY, and yeah.. me too! Originally by: MOS DEF I don`t think supercarrier drops are a problem. They risk so much for little gain. You complain about it - then i guess it happened a lot. If it did they become predictable and killable. Buy those hics. If you pull it off - great kill - if not they will never try again after seeing you came with loads of hics. What are you talking about? Of course they'll try again after collecting a half dozen sweet HIC killmails. The entire reason that people live in low sec is to avoid being part of the Inifiniblob of 0.0 -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Hesperius Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:46:00 - [46] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro If it's really this bad, how about introducing a new tier of cyno (alongside black ops and standard), require use of it for supercaps, and restricting it to 0.0? I dont think that is a half bad idea. CCP needs to pay some attention to low sec. Something I said to Liang before is that it seem like all the power blocks are bluing each other and have no targets to shoot anymore except in low sec. Now I have not been keeping up on whats going on with the North VS South war, but for the sake of low sec I really hope the South wins. *side note if anyone on the south side of the war could use another dread pilot, send me an Evemail.
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/04/2010 18:47:09 Originally by: Viper **zIe I hear crying on the forums when ~~you get outplayed~~ enemies bring uncounterable ships is a viable tactic. FTFY, and yeah.. me too! People were saying the same thing about bringing triage carriers to every fight (which these guys do) a year ago. Cry more.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Viper **zIe People were saying the same thing about bringing triage carriers to every fight (which these guys do) a year ago. Cry more. There's just a tiny difference between a triage carrier and a supercarrier. I dunno, maybe the part about the supercarrier being able to cyno out at will or the triage carrier not being able to provide DPS support... Cry moar, your overpowered supercarrier toy will be taken away. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Ninetails o'Cat League of Super Evil	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Admiral Pelleon HI PL THX FOR THE 11 SUPERCARRIER HOTDROP IN LOWSEC ~~ Lol. Some people really don't have enough to do in null.
Terranid Meester Tactical Assault and Recon Unit	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:05:00 - [50] Concentrate on destroying their fighters and fighter-bombers? A single one of those is possibly worth more than most tech 2 frigs?

Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:05:00 - [51] Originally by: Liang Nuren Cry moar, your overpowered supercarrier toy will be taken away. Unlikely, seeing as how it's quite easy to keep it from cynoing out at will… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Liang Nuren There's just a tiny difference between a triage carrier and a supercarrier. I dunno, maybe the part about the supercarrier being able to cyno out at will or the triage carrier not being able to provide DPS support... Cry moar, your overpowered supercarrier toy will be taken away. -Liang So mad. You obviously don't understand that motherships can be tackled in lowsec, go check the CH killboard, I'm pretty sure that they've killed about 20 of these ~invulnerable~ and ~unkillable~ ships that can ~jump out at will~ and are ruining the game.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Viper **zIe So mad. Self describing eh? Quote: You obviously don't understand that motherships can be tackled in lowsec, go check the CH killboard, I'm pretty sure that they've killed about 20 of these ~invulnerable~ and ~unkillable~ ships that can ~jump out at will~ and are ruining the game. Yes, if you have a megablob at your back, you can kill them. Now talk to your typical 20 man pirate corp and tell me they aren't all but unkillable. Oh, I got it - let's put my whole corp in HICs so that we can get neuted out while the motherships jump out. **** that, either let my interdictor work in low sec or lose your ewar immunity. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:24:00 - [54] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Viper **zIe So mad. Self describing eh? Quote: You obviously don't understand that motherships can be tackled in lowsec, go check the CH killboard, I'm pretty sure that they've killed about 20 of these ~invulnerable~ and ~unkillable~ ships that can ~jump out at will~ and are ruining the game. Yes, if you have a megablob at your back, you can kill them. Now talk to your typical 20 man pirate corp and tell me they aren't all but unkillable. Oh, I got it - let's put my whole corp in HICs so that we can get neuted out while the motherships jump out. **** that, either let my interdictor work in low sec or lose your ewar immunity. -Liang Big fish, little fish... Sometimes the hardest part for the middle sized fish is to keep in mind where they are in the food chain. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Ranger 1 Big fish, little fish... Sometimes the hardest part for the middle sized fish is to keep in mind where they are in the food chain. It's true. But that has nothing to do with people bringing ewar immune ships into a place where fully 3/4s of the counters don't work. If you want to bring a supercap into low sec, you should be able to be tackled by a single interceptor - just like any other carrier. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:41:00 - [56] Edited by: Xtover on 26/04/2010 19:45:40 Originally by: Admiral Pelleon HI PL THX FOR THE 11 SUPERCARRIER HOTDROP IN LOWSEC ~~ REQUESTED TO DOCK DOCKING OPERATION ALREADY IN PROGRESS REQUESTED TO DOCK DOCKING OPERATION ALREADY IN PROGRESS You were playing station games anyway.
Kaz3	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Morgs44 Well yes you could fly away, but they are dropping them on anything. 2 super carriers for a t3? http://bl3h-united.com/kwfl/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=160470 cant stop laughing
Flynn Fetladral BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:46:00 - [58] Edited by: Flynn Fetladral on 26/04/2010 19:46:24 What else have SC pilots got to do? Life gets boring way out there at 5000 AU, can't even spin in station.
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:47:00 - [59] wow wat I great bait idea, what system did u say u were in?
Hesperius Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.26 19:48:00 - [60] I really don't think Liang is so mad about s.carriers as the cliche "cry more" troll comment. Honestly the only time s.carriers have been an issue for us is when we were being jerks on a station. We were in our capitals camping in a buch of Russian mission runners when their blues brought in an Abaddon fit with your -predictable- 7 turrets, along side of a Rooks & Kings covert ops sitting off the station we were camping. We decided to stand down so we didn't lose our caps to a super-blob. The end (never saw the s.carriers we knew were there). As for the little fish big fish comment; BS is the big fish of high sec. S.carriers are the big fish of 0.0 and low sec - leaving no middle ground for carriers and dreads to be the big fish, which in my opinion they should be in low sec.



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