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Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:02:00 - [121] Originally by: Viper **zIe So you'd have a ship that costs 11b to build, requires an alt account to use, can't dock, can't "disengage" on-grid (i.e mwd away) and allow it to be scrambled by any scrub in a t1 frigate (or ibis~) when there's already a dedicated ship that would allow you to do all of this? And you'd leave other EW-immune ships alone when they are just as powerful if not more powerful in specific situations? Really? CCP should hire you, sounds like you know what you're talking about. Cry moar, your supercarrier i-win button might actually require some support or be in danger when used recklessly? -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:04:00 - [122] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: Liang Nuren No, I can definitely bring a ship that counters them... the simple fact is that the counters in low sec are much less powerful and numerous than the counters in 0.0. -Liang So you'd have a ship that costs 11b to build, requires an alt account to use, can't dock, can't "disengage" on-grid (i.e mwd away) and allow it to be scrambled by any scrub in a t1 frigate (or ibis~) when there's already a dedicated ship that would allow you to do all of this? And you'd leave other EW-immune ships alone when they are just as powerful if not more powerful in specific situations? Really? CCP should hire you, sounds like you know what you're talking about. I think his point is that they're more powerful in low sec than they are in null, simply because there are less options available to tie them down. At least titans lose their primary function in low sec. ________
Sunsets Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:19:00 - [123] Those O** *gots were the worst, they would bridge fleets and jump titans onto people in lowsec.
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:26:00 - [124] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Viper **zIe So you'd have a ship that costs 11b to build, requires an alt account to use, can't dock, can't "disengage" on-grid (i.e mwd away) and allow it to be scrambled by any scrub in a t1 frigate (or ibis~) when there's already a dedicated ship that would allow you to do all of this? And you'd leave other EW-immune ships alone when they are just as powerful if not more powerful in specific situations? Really? CCP should hire you, sounds like you know what you're talking about. Cry moar, your supercarrier i-win button might actually require some support or be in danger when used recklessly? -Liang Solo motherships are pretty simple to kill~ Also, a mothership can't kill your sabre, can it?
Morgs44 Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:33:00 - [125] I would genuinely like to see a km of a solo super carrier without multiple super carriers on it.
Dez Affinity Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:36:00 - [126] Originally by: Morgs44 I would genuinely like to see a km of a solo super carrier without multiple super carriers on it. http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=41511 There's plenty more, I chose one at random. _______________
Morgs44 Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:42:00 - [127] Thats a pre patch one isnt it?
Dez Affinity Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:43:00 - [128] Originally by: Morgs44 Thats a pre patch one isnt it? Nah Dominion was December 1st IIRC. _______________
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:57:00 - [129] Originally by: Morgs44 I would genuinely like to see a km of a solo super carrier without multiple super carriers on it. http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=47450 only one on that~
Morgs44 Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:00:00 - [130] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: Morgs44 I would genuinely like to see a km of a solo super carrier without multiple super carriers on it. http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=47450 only one on that~ lol, and he wasnt even using fighter bombers!

Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:04:00 - [131] Originally by: Jack Dant Originally by: Amberlamps T3 is something worthy of killing. What else would you expect them to want to kill? I doubt they'd jump a t1 ship. T3 pilots thinking they have the Iwinbutton but when the button sticks they rage. I've seen 4 supercarriers, along with 4 regular carriers, dropped on a solo drake. Admitedly, I think that was done just for a laugh. Once long ago someone dropped 2 or 3 titans on a lone Myrmidon, overkill is nothing new. Delenda est achura.
Ard UnjiiGo The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:09:00 - [132] Don't begrudge cripples their crutch.
HarrietMiers Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:26:00 - [133] Edited by: HarrietMiers on 27/04/2010 02:29:46 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Viper **zIe So you'd have a ship that costs 11b to build, requires an alt account to use, can't dock, can't "disengage" on-grid (i.e mwd away) and allow it to be scrambled by any scrub in a t1 frigate (or ibis~) when there's already a dedicated ship that would allow you to do all of this? And you'd leave other EW-immune ships alone when they are just as powerful if not more powerful in specific situations? Really? CCP should hire you, sounds like you know what you're talking about. Cry moar, your supercarrier i-win button might actually require some support or be in danger when used recklessly? -Liang Wow you are awful bitter. Some SC pilot touch you in your no-no spot? Get a gang, bait, kill, loot. Or keep whining and looking like a petulant five year old. A ship that costs 20 bil isk (minimum) and years of training to fly might actually ::gasp:: require strategic forethought and risk to kill? Why I never! I'd respond to you further, but I really don't like talking to people who sign their posts. We can see who you are right there bud. <-------------------------- WTS: clue. Edited, forgot they were SC now, not MS.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:39:00 - [134] Originally by: HarrietMiers Wow you are awful bitter. Some SC pilot touch you in your no-no spot? No. Quote: Call in all the pirates within 50 jumps, and then call in all your 0.0 friends, Get a really big gang that may or may not have anything to do for hours while you try to , bait, kill, loot. Or keep whining and looking like a petulant five year old. A ship that costs 20 bil isk (minimum) and years of training to fly might actually ::gasp:: require strategic forethought and risk to kill? Why I never! FTFY. You just don't understand how unreasonable what you're saying really is in a lot of ways. Look, I'm not asking for Supercarriers to suck - I'm asking for them to not be less vulnerable in low sec than in 0.0. Quote: WTS: clue. Edited, forgot they were SC now, not MS. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:41:00 - [135] Originally by: Liang Nuren FTFY. You just don't understand how unreasonable what you're saying really is in a lot of ways. Look, I'm not asking for Supercarriers to suck - I'm asking for them to not be less vulnerable in low sec than in 0.0. -Liang You're asking for them to be more vulnerable in lowsec than in 0.0
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:44:00 - [136] Originally by: Viper **zIe You're asking for them to be more vulnerable in lowsec than in 0.0 Ok, then lets put bubbles of all varieties in low sec. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
HarrietMiers Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:45:00 - [137] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: HarrietMiers Wow you are awful bitter. Some SC pilot touch you in your no-no spot? No. Quote: Call in all the pirates within 50 jumps, and then call in all your 0.0 friends, Get a really big gang that may or may not have anything to do for hours while you try to , bait, kill, loot. Or keep whining and looking like a petulant five year old. A ship that costs 20 bil isk (minimum) and years of training to fly might actually ::gasp:: require strategic forethought and risk to kill? Why I never! FTFY. You just don't understand how unreasonable what you're saying really is in a lot of ways. Look, I'm not asking for Supercarriers to suck - I'm asking for them to not be less vulnerable in low sec than in 0.0. Quote: WTS: clue. Edited, forgot they were SC now, not MS. -Liang You're pretty bad at this for a so called forum warrior, but I'll play. Can you tackle a SC in low sec, yes or no? (yes.) Then it's gankable. Stop whining, get some friends and kill it. - Liang
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:47:00 - [138] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Viper **zIe You're asking for them to be more vulnerable in lowsec than in 0.0 Ok, then lets put bubbles of all varieties in low sec. -Liang Nah let's just let everyone with a warp disruptor or a scram be able to tackle them when there are already specialized ships that can (because people who are too lazy to fly them like to complain about how they don't work well enough)
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:47:00 - [139] Originally by: Viper **zIe You're asking for them to be more vulnerable in lowsec than in 0.0 Viper- My only issue with SC in lowsec is this: unbreakable spider tanks. That's it. What if: 1) SCs were able to be jammed by ECM and/or affected by damps, but left unaffected by webs/normal disruptors? or 2) SCs can't fit remote reps. Leave that the domain of Carriers? Yes, I know #2 sounds insane, I'm just tossing it out there. :p - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:49:00 - [140] Originally by: HarrietMiers You're pretty bad at this for a so called forum warrior, but I'll play. Can you tackle a SC in low sec, yes or no? (yes.) Then it's gankable. Stop whining, get some friends and kill it. - Liang First, your fake signature is all wrong. There's no spaces on the signature line. Second, yes, you can tackle a SC in low sec BUT IT IS MUCH HARDER THAN IN 0.0. Supercarriers - even without ewar immunity - are far more powerful in lowsec than in 0.0 simply because low sec doesn't have the same political landscape. Add to that an enforced (by game mechanic) superiority? No, at this point all you're doing is whining because someone's threatening your massive i-win button. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire

HarrietMiers Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:52:00 - [141] Edited by: HarrietMiers on 27/04/2010 02:55:16 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: HarrietMiers You're pretty bad at this for a so called forum warrior, but I'll play. Can you tackle a SC in low sec, yes or no? (yes.) Then it's gankable. Stop whining, get some friends and kill it. - Liang First, your fake signature is all wrong. There's no spaces on the signature line. Second, yes, you can tackle a SC in low sec BUT IT IS MUCH HARDER THAN IN 0.0. Supercarriers - even without ewar immunity - are far more powerful in lowsec than in 0.0 simply because low sec doesn't have the same political landscape. Add to that an enforced (by game mechanic) superiority? No, at this point all you're doing is whining because someone's threatening your massive i-win button. -Liang This is my main, and though I've been playing since Castor - this is my only account as of now. Nothing personal, I see SC as vulnerable to the right gang and the right bait. I also hate lazy pvpers who want CCP to do the work for them. I'm not whining one bit, I don't own one - and never will. I do, however, like killing them. Since HICS were introduced... there is no need to nerf anything. Suck it up bro, SC die all the time. Get in their and join the fun. Not a SC pilot, just sick of all the whining. - Liang Edit - Hey bro, what is your suggestion for fixing the problem that you perceive? Perhaps we can discuss that rather than slapping each other like girlie men?
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:55:00 - [142] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Viper **zIe You're asking for them to be more vulnerable in lowsec than in 0.0 Viper- My only issue with SC in lowsec is this: unbreakable spider tanks. That's it. What if: 1) SCs were able to be jammed by ECM and/or affected by damps, but left unaffected by webs/normal disruptors? or 2) SCs can't fit remote reps. Leave that the domain of Carriers? Yes, I know #2 sounds insane, I'm just tossing it out there. :p Wouldn't really have a problem with either of these, most supercaps don't fit a multitude of remote reps, that capability is generally left to carriers anyway. Oh you can jam (well, break lock) on motherships with the remote ECM burst, but that's a whole different subject.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:59:00 - [143] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 27/04/2010 03:02:04 Originally by: HarrietMiers This is my main, and though I've been playing since Castor - this is my only account as of now. Nothing personal, I see SC as vulnerable to the right gang and the right bait. I also hate lazy pvpers who want CCP to do the work for them. I'm not whinign one bit, I don't own one - and never will. I do, however, like killing them. Since HICS were introduced... there is no need to nerf anything. Suck it up bro, SC die all the time. Get in their and join the fun. Not a SC pilot, just sick of all the whining. - Liang Edit - Hey bro, what is your suggestion for fixing the problem that you perceive? Perhaps we can discuss that rather than slapping each other like girlie men? Very Happy I take it back, there are more options: - Supercarriers in 0.0 can only be tackled by HICs with focused interdiction scripts - Supercarriers lose super special abilities in low sec, like titans - Low sec becomes the land of bubbles and doomsdays - Stop all supercaps from cynoing in low sec Tell me, which of these seems more reasonable? The complaint isn't that supercarriers are unkillable - its that many of the counters which exist in 0.0 do not exist in low sec. This creates a power imbalance where the best place to use your supercarrier is in low sec. Stop the 0.0 blue napfest and take the super caps back out where they belong. -Liang Ed: To your edit: I think the best solution of the ones above is to lose special cool features in low sec. If you have a solution other than "lol cry moar noob - game imbalances which ** over low sec are a-ok by me. Sincerely, 0.0 NAPfestBear" then let me know. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
HarrietMiers Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.04.27 03:03:00 - [144] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 27/04/2010 03:02:04 Originally by: HarrietMiers This is my main, and though I've been playing since Castor - this is my only account as of now. Nothing personal, I see SC as vulnerable to the right gang and the right bait. I also hate lazy pvpers who want CCP to do the work for them. I'm not whinign one bit, I don't own one - and never will. I do, however, like killing them. Since HICS were introduced... there is no need to nerf anything. Suck it up bro, SC die all the time. Get in their and join the fun. Not a SC pilot, just sick of all the whining. - Liang Edit - Hey bro, what is your suggestion for fixing the problem that you perceive? Perhaps we can discuss that rather than slapping each other like girlie men? Very Happy I take it back, there are more options: - Supercarriers in 0.0 can only be tackled by HICs with focused interdiction scripts - Supercarriers lose super special abilities in low sec, like titans - Low sec becomes the land of bubbles and doomsdays - Stop all supercaps from cynoing in low sec Tell me, which of these seems more reasonable? The complaint isn't that supercarriers are unkillable - its that many of the counters which exist in 0.0 do not exist in low sec. This creates a power imbalance where the best place to use your supercarrier is in low sec. Stop the 0.0 blue napfest and take the super caps back out where they belong. -Liang Ed: To your edit: I think the best solution of the ones above is to lose special cool features in low sec. If you have a solution other than "lol cry moar noob - game imbalances which **** over low sec are a-ok by me. Sincerely, 0.0 NAPfestBear" then let me know. I'd be fine with the second option. I don't think the other 3 have a chance in hell of getting by CCP (for good reason.) - Liang
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.27 03:10:00 - [145] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 27/04/2010 03:15:37 Originally by: HarrietMiers I'd be fine with the second option. I don't think the other 3 have a chance in hell of getting by CCP (for good reason.) - Liang Right, and that's exactly the one I've been pushing for this whole thread. -Liang Ed: And yes, fielding twenty fighters (and fighter bombers at all) is something of a special ability. So is being ewar immune. The question is which is the right one to remove? I would argue that perhaps its purely the ewar immunity - though I could see the argument for either. There is a precedent for simply removing its extra sharp teeth in low sec - so no fighter bombers. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 03:10:00 - [146] Maybe CCP should introduce a heavy-tanking, fast, high sensor stregnth, cruiser hull that can tackle EWAR immune ships in lowsec. Maybe that would allow people to kill motherships and titans, they could even hold dreads down in siege and triage carriers. Oh, wait, they did that two years ago. Sheeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiit
Morgs44 Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams	Posted - 2010.04.27 03:25:00 - [147] The only thing sc have to worry about is the HIC's and you'll need a few of them. Cause if they want to leave they can just nuet the capp out of them or drone blob them and leave. And if half ya fleet is in HIC how are you going to get th dps to kill'em Like i said before this is low sec not 0.0 Would you like us to all be blue??
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 03:43:00 - [148] So you can't solo a capital in your battleship or gank it with 10? Damn son, that sure is gamebreaking.
Morgs44 Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams	Posted - 2010.04.27 03:56:00 - [149] Originally by: Viper **zIe So you can't solo a capital in your battleship or gank it with 10? Damn son, that sure is gamebreaking. Oh viper you silly child, your 0.0 100+ fleets & super capital hotdrops are for 0.0 not low sec Not trying to say a sc should be able to be killed by 10 bs, iam saying we should have to have 2 or more of our own sc to kill it or be blue to everyone big 0.0 alliance like most of you guys are. Go have sc fights lazy/scared ppl
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.04.27 03:57:00 - [150] Originally by: Viper **zIe So you can't solo a capital in your battleship or gank it with 10? Damn son, that sure is gamebreaking. You get a gold star for consistently misinterpreting everything anyone says! -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire



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