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HarrietMiers
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.28 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Misanth Rhethoric question 2: what would happen to the political landscape and the ability of poor/young alliances to move to 0.0, if supercaps was only for spaceholding alliances, and the old, fat and rich would have hundreds of them?
And what happens to those young/small alliances that want to try living out in lowsec - only to be greeted by dozen supercarrier hotdrops on phantasms and 30 man titan bridges every time they undock?
-Liang
No offense Liang, but you are truly grasping at straws at this point. What happens to these small alliances? They can man up, make some friends and blow the **** up. They can also move, build their own SC's, or do anything else they please.
Man up or go back to empire.
- Liang
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.04.28 21:37:00 -
[212]
Originally by: HarrietMiers
No offense Liang, but you are truly grasping at straws at this point. What happens to these small alliances? They can man up, make some friends and blow the **** up. They can also move, build their own SC's, or do anything else they please.
Man up or go back to empire.
- Liang
Unfortunatly as has been shown time and time again that logic does not apply through a series of nerfs.
Nano nerf - MAN UP AND GET YOUR OWN NANO SHIPS - MAKE SOME FRIENDS AND USE RA... oh ccp nerfed them
Doomsday Nerf - LOL MAN UP AND GET YOUR OWN TITANS - MAKE FRIENDS AND USE THE .. oh ccp nerfed them
Privateer Nerf - LOL GET YOURSELF ORGANISED AND COME FIGHT US YOU KNOW WHERE ... oh ccp nerfed them
Same goes with pretty much every nerf. You can yell "man up" all you want but ccp ignore you.
SKUNK (o)
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.28 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: HarrietMiers
No offense Liang, but you are truly grasping at straws at this point. What happens to these small alliances? They can man up, make some friends and blow the **** up. They can also move, build their own SC's, or do anything else they please.
Man up or go back to empire.
- Liang
Yes, I am *totally* "grasping at straws" when I have shown that Supercarriers *ARE* more powerful in lowsec than in 0.0. I mother ****ing dare you to justify that.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Hesperius
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.28 21:57:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Hesperius on 28/04/2010 22:04:14
Originally by: MADDOGzors News flash: Life isn't fair and neither is eve
Actually Eve is pretty fair compared to life. It is a game, with game design, and game rules.
People can argue all the points they want about who caught what fail fit super carrier where, but people doing stupid things doesn't justify game mechanics not flowing together properly. Low sec is something that is caught in a bind of mechanics when it comes to super carriers. Super carriers by nature (see sov restrictions on construction) were not designed to be low sec toys.
Super carrier pilots in low sec are the ones who are currently being saved by CCP. I'm sure the ones being so vocal here are the ones who's stomach goes into a knot thinking of all the times they would have lost their SC had an interceptor been able to tackle them in low sec.
Oh and also:
Originally by: HarrietMiers Man up or go back to empire.
Low sec is empire.
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HarrietMiers
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: HarrietMiers on 28/04/2010 22:15:09
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: HarrietMiers
No offense Liang, but you are truly grasping at straws at this point. What happens to these small alliances? They can man up, make some friends and blow the **** up. They can also move, build their own SC's, or do anything else they please.
Man up or go back to empire.
- Liang
Unfortunatly as has been shown time and time again that logic does not apply through a series of nerfs.
Nano nerf - MAN UP AND GET YOUR OWN NANO SHIPS - MAKE SOME FRIENDS AND USE RA... oh ccp nerfed them
Doomsday Nerf - LOL MAN UP AND GET YOUR OWN TITANS - MAKE FRIENDS AND USE THE .. oh ccp nerfed them
Privateer Nerf - LOL GET YOURSELF ORGANISED AND COME FIGHT US YOU KNOW WHERE ... oh ccp nerfed them
Same goes with pretty much every nerf. You can yell "man up" all you want but ccp ignore you.
SKUNK
Yeah well I miss cavalry ravens and splash damage, but you don't see me whining about it, do you?
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: HarrietMiers
No offense Liang, but you are truly grasping at straws at this point. What happens to these small alliances? They can man up, make some friends and blow the **** up. They can also move, build their own SC's, or do anything else they please.
Man up or go back to empire.
- Liang
Yes, I am *totally* "grasping at straws" when I have shown that Supercarriers *ARE* more powerful in lowsec than in 0.0. I mother ****ing dare you to justify that.
-Liang
Dude, relax. I'm trying to work with you here, sheesh!
Originally by: Hesperius Edited by: Hesperius on 28/04/2010 22:04:14
Originally by: MADDOGzors News flash: Life isn't fair and neither is eve
Actually Eve is pretty fair compared to life. It is a game, with game design, and game rules.
I could make an esoteric argument about the laws of physics governing our lives, but why bother? Do I need to put this in big bold flashy letters for the complainers?
MOMS ARE GETTING KILLED ALL THE TIME IN LOW SEC TO THE POINT WHERE THERE ARE RARELY THREADS MADE ABOUT IT ANYMORE.
Originally by: Hesperius
Originally by: HarrietMiers Man up or go back to empire.
Low sec is empire.
Man up or go back to high sec. Happy now?
- Liang - Skunk - Gobbins
Edited for Gobbins.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:20:00 -
[216]
Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing The answer is simple my friends. Remove low sec. Then everyone can enjoy the bubble and bomb(and dd) goodness.
And the blobs and napfests and so on, exactly. At least supercapital pilots would be happy they have more 0.0 to operate in, right?
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gpfwestie
Gallente Westie Engineering
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:33:00 -
[217]
To the OP,
I am (possibly ?) the worst PVP'r in the world but still - some advice
You are in a roaming gang and someone lights a cyno in system,
1) Dock up 2) ....
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.04.28 23:09:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Zartrader on 28/04/2010 23:09:12
Originally by: gpfwestie To the OP,
I am (possibly ?) the worst PVP'r in the world but still - some advice
You are in a roaming gang and someone lights a cyno in system,
1) Dock up 2) ....
Yes exactly. I find a lot of 'unfair' comment in this game and other MMORPG's are usually down to players making a mistake in their decision making earlier on which leads to later problems but refusing to acknowledge it or correct it. The ninja salvage moaners are a prime example of this.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.04.28 23:10:00 -
[219]
Originally by: gpfwestie To the OP,
I am (possibly ?) the worst PVP'r in the world but still - some advice
You are in a roaming gang and someone lights a cyno in system,
1) Dock up 2) ....
What if you are in 0.0 and a station is unavailable? Also, do you have advice on when it is safe to undock again?
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Deja Thoris
Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 23:20:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Hesperius Super carriers by nature (see sov restrictions on construction) were not designed to be low sec toys. Super carrier pilots in low sec are the ones who are currently being saved by CCP. I'm sure the ones being so vocal here are the ones who's stomach goes into a knot thinking of all the times they would have lost their SC had an interceptor been able to tackle them in low sec.
I fail to see how a restriction on where you can build it flows through to where you can use it? Thats your interpretation and it's a pretty liberal one at that. By your logic could we infer that they are only allowed to operate in your sov space since it took sov to build them?
Once again (third time in this thread) most super carriers and super capitals operate under cynojammers or with blobs limiting the risk to them somewhat. Now BLAST proved today thats not foolproof but I'd wager supers are more safe operating in 0.0 than lowsec.
Anyway, its clear we disagree and thats fine. It's also clear we have a difference in additude. When titans could dd in lowsec I came up with a plan to bait and kill one. It was cunning and awesome. That very same day they removed lowsec dd's and if I'm honest it probably saved a dude his titan. You and your ilk would have been here crying for CCP to nerf it because its a threat and not an opportunity.
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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.28 23:33:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Liang Nuren And what happens to those young/small alliances that want to try living out in lowsec - only to be greeted by dozen supercarrier hotdrops on phantasms and 30 man titan bridges every time they undock?
-Liang
They could kill them, just a thought.
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HarrietMiers
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.28 23:34:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Deja Thoris I'd wager supers are more safe operating in 0.0 than lowsec.
Truth and ya'll know it.
/Thread.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.28 23:47:00 -
[223]
Originally by: HarrietMiers Edited by: HarrietMiers on 28/04/2010 23:41:27
Originally by: Deja Thoris I'd wager supers are more safe operating in 0.0 than lowsec.
Truth and ya'll know it.
/Thread.
- Liang
Edit: Viper what in gods name did you to do Liang to make him so upset and unreasonable about all this? You two used to date or something?
Originally by: Liang Nuren Yes, I am *totally* "grasping at straws" when I have shown that Supercarriers *ARE* more powerful in lowsec than in 0.0. I mother ****ing dare you to justify that.
-Liang
Oh, that's right - neither Deja nor you have an answer to that.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:26:00 -
[224]
I really don't understand EVE players sometimes.
When you face overwhelming crushing odds, you lose. End of story.
Winning is absolutely everything in PvP, and you will always take the risk of facing overwhelming forces and dying horribly. Either you continue to vicious cycle of crying your eyes out until TQ goes offline forever, or you should play a different game that perfectly balances competing teams for you. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose I really don't understand EVE players sometimes.
When you face overwhelming crushing odds, you lose. End of story.
Winning is absolutely everything in PvP, and you will always take the risk of facing overwhelming forces and dying horribly. Either you continue to vicious cycle of crying your eyes out until TQ goes offline forever, or you should play a different game that perfectly balances competing teams for you.
Your post doesn't really add anything to the conversation - thank you for the mindless troll. Nobody's crying their eyes out here - I'm not asking for the game to be "fair". I'm asking for motherships to (at the very minimum) not be MORE powerful in low sec as in 0.0.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:37:00 -
[226]
Originally by: HarrietMiers Edit: Viper what in gods name did you to do Liang to make him so upset and unreasonable about all this? You two used to date or something?
Didn't go to any of the Portland meets maybe? No idea.
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Fwaatcha
Caldari Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2010.04.29 01:11:00 -
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Quote: Ed: BTW Deja - you say that there's an attitude difference between you and Hesp and me ... but I disagree. When we got hot dropped by a bunch of caps we decided to come up with a counter... No, what exists is a resource difference... Cry Havoc accomplishes capital/supercap takedowns with a supercap *fleet* and MASSIVE alliance of skilled PVPers. Come on - try to deny that Cry Havoc is a 10 ton titan in a 1 ton pond when it stomps around in low sec.
lol "MASSIVE" rofl Troll our KB Our first titan kill was done with BS and below when DD's were AOE Look even further into our history Theres numerous caps killed by BS and below, theres even one carrier we killed with nothing bigger thana cruiser
Do your homework before making posts like that
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white kight
Galaxy Punks Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 01:30:00 -
[228]
This is possibly the first and maybe the last time I will ever say this but i agree with Viper on this one. SC's aren't hugely overpowered considering what they are. They cost around 20bil (properly fit ofc). Of course some 2 day old noob in an ibis with a disruptor should not be able to hold them down. You guys seem to forget that this is a 20bil ship and not your average run of the mill bs. These are harder to build under new sov mechanics due to no sov 4, and thus you should get "more bang for your buck"
To those who say an SC can't be killed in low sec, as a carrier pilot who nearly lost a carrier trying to save an SC in the past, if the plan is well set up enough then no matter their tank etc, its gonna die. Triage carriers are just as annoying to try to kill as an SC without the right support. Get some friends and stop *****ing.
On a slight side note I am actually a supporter of returning the DD to low sec. Station camping carriers/dreads are a pain in the ass and 1 shotting them is ridding the eve universe of another guy in a virtually unkillable ship when its on station.
Originally by: CCP Greyscale :facepalm:
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Morgs44
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
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Posted - 2010.04.29 01:38:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Fwaatcha
Quote: Ed: BTW Deja - you say that there's an attitude difference between you and Hesp and me ... but I disagree. When we got hot dropped by a bunch of caps we decided to come up with a counter... No, what exists is a resource difference... Cry Havoc accomplishes capital/supercap takedowns with a supercap *fleet* and MASSIVE alliance of skilled PVPers. Come on - try to deny that Cry Havoc is a 10 ton titan in a 1 ton pond when it stomps around in low sec.
lol "MASSIVE" rofl Troll our KB Our first titan kill was done with BS and below when DD's were AOE Look even further into our history Theres numerous caps killed by BS and below, theres even one carrier we killed with nothing bigger thana cruiser
Do your homework before making posts like that
I think this has more to do with the super carriers dps/hp boost. I would like to see anyone kill one in lowsec with sub capitals, that would be mad.
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Willywant Ortelling
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2010.04.29 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Morgs44
Originally by: Fwaatcha
Quote: Ed: BTW Deja - you say that there's an attitude difference between you and Hesp and me ... but I disagree. When we got hot dropped by a bunch of caps we decided to come up with a counter... No, what exists is a resource difference... Cry Havoc accomplishes capital/supercap takedowns with a supercap *fleet* and MASSIVE alliance of skilled PVPers. Come on - try to deny that Cry Havoc is a 10 ton titan in a 1 ton pond when it stomps around in low sec.
lol "MASSIVE" rofl Troll our KB Our first titan kill was done with BS and below when DD's were AOE Look even further into our history Theres numerous caps killed by BS and below, theres even one carrier we killed with nothing bigger thana cruiser
Do your homework before making posts like that
I think this has more to do with the super carriers dps/hp boost. I would like to see anyone kill one in lowsec with sub capitals, that would be mad.
Change the mechanics so if aggro'd you dont log out in 15 minutes and you would see it.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:24:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Fwaatcha lol "MASSIVE" rofl
Compared to any lowsec alliance or coalition? Yeah. MASSIVE.
Quote: Troll our KB Our first titan kill was done with BS and below when DD's were AOE Look even further into our history Theres numerous caps killed by BS and below, theres even one carrier we killed with nothing bigger thana cruiser
Looks like a bunch of supercaps killing regular caps to me... http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=86083 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=86012 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85878 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85877 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85860
Man the list goes on and on and on. And since I've been on the receiving end of Cry Havoc bridges before, I know for fact that you use your titans to bridge all your support in. So what you're really saying when you tell me to troll your killboard is to show how Cry Havoc uses supercaps to gank regular capitals. Hell man, do you guys even kill them any other way now? TBQFH, it doesn't look like it. Maybe that's why you're so scared of losing your I-WIN buttons?
Oh, what about those supercarrier kills?
http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85330 - 13 supercarriers on the mail http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=52024 - 5 supercarriers on the mail http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=47450 - 2 titans on the mail
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Really? Do I need to go on? LOL?
Quote: Do your homework before making posts like that
Yes.... yes ****ing indeed.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Willywant Ortelling
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:30:00 -
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Isn't your argument that SCs are super safe in low sec etc etc nerf them.
So when you link to CH killboard to us killing SCs in low sec with our own, it somehow illustrates your point?
::confused::
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spiked amarr
Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:37:00 -
[233]
Oh hey look someone is Crying Havoc again!
Well lets be honest someone had to do it.
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mine err
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 03:03:00 -
[234]
bacon is ****ing delicious.
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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.29 03:16:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Fwaatcha lol "MASSIVE" rofl
Compared to any lowsec alliance or coalition? Yeah. MASSIVE.
Quote: Troll our KB Our first titan kill was done with BS and below when DD's were AOE Look even further into our history Theres numerous caps killed by BS and below, theres even one carrier we killed with nothing bigger thana cruiser
Looks like a bunch of supercaps killing regular caps to me... http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=86083 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=86012 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85878 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85877 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85860
Man the list goes on and on and on. And since I've been on the receiving end of Cry Havoc bridges before, I know for fact that you use your titans to bridge all your support in. So what you're really saying when you tell me to troll your killboard is to show how Cry Havoc uses supercaps to gank regular capitals. Hell man, do you guys even kill them any other way now? TBQFH, it doesn't look like it. Maybe that's why you're so scared of losing your I-WIN buttons?
Oh, what about those supercarrier kills?
http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85330 - 13 supercarriers on the mail http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=52024 - 5 supercarriers on the mail http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=47450 - 2 titans on the mail
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Really? Do I need to go on? LOL?
Quote: Do your homework before making posts like that
Yes.... yes ****ing indeed.
-Liang
Maybe you should borrow some money from Siigari and buy a clue.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.29 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 29/04/2010 03:23:41
Originally by: Willywant Ortelling Isn't your argument that SCs are super safe in low sec etc etc nerf them.
So when you link to CH killboard to us killing SCs in low sec with our own, it somehow illustrates your point?
::confused::
Yes, as a matter of fact - it illustrates that while Cry Havoc (you) can do it, they can only do it with support of a massive supercapital fleet of their (your) own. This somehow strikes you as reasonable? This somehow justifies that supercarriers should be literally more powerful in low sec than in 0.0? Are you out of your mind or something??!
-Liang
Ed: Anyone else notice how Cry Havoc is pretty much the only people defending supercarriers in low sec? I guess I can see why when they're busy hot dropping every capital they can find with dozens of supercarriers. Guess they lost what made them special because of the new i-win button. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Fwaatcha lol "MASSIVE" rofl
Compared to any lowsec alliance or coalition? Yeah. MASSIVE.
Quote: Troll our KB Our first titan kill was done with BS and below when DD's were AOE Look even further into our history Theres numerous caps killed by BS and below, theres even one carrier we killed with nothing bigger thana cruiser
Looks like a bunch of supercaps killing regular caps to me... http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=86083 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=86012 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85878 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85877 http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85860
Man the list goes on and on and on. And since I've been on the receiving end of Cry Havoc bridges before, I know for fact that you use your titans to bridge all your support in. So what you're really saying when you tell me to troll your killboard is to show how Cry Havoc uses supercaps to gank regular capitals. Hell man, do you guys even kill them any other way now? TBQFH, it doesn't look like it. Maybe that's why you're so scared of losing your I-WIN buttons?
Oh, what about those supercarrier kills?
http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=85330 - 13 supercarriers on the mail http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=52024 - 5 supercarriers on the mail http://killboard.cryhavoc-eve.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=47450 - 2 titans on the mail
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Really? Do I need to go on? LOL?
Quote: Do your homework before making posts like that
Yes.... yes ****ing indeed.
-Liang
The problem mostly lays in the fact that SC's have a crap ton of HP and attacking with a BS fleet usually just ends with the SC self destructing. The people in my alliance are complete kill mail *****s and have decided that making kill mails of selfdestructed SC's is unethical. So therefore when they get to kill a supercarrier they kill it utterly I barely get to play much anymore and I have watched at least 2 SC's self destruct in the past 5 months. So yes cry havoc uses heavy force to get their killmails, that SC would have died or self-destructed without CH usings their SC's anyway and that is a fact.
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HarrietMiers
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.04.29 03:42:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 29/04/2010 03:23:41
Originally by: Willywant Ortelling Isn't your argument that SCs are super safe in low sec etc etc nerf them.
So when you link to CH killboard to us killing SCs in low sec with our own, it somehow illustrates your point?
::confused::
Yes, as a matter of fact - it illustrates that while Cry Havoc (you) can do it, they can only do it with support of a massive supercapital fleet of their (your) own. This somehow strikes you as reasonable? This somehow justifies that supercarriers should be literally more powerful in low sec than in 0.0? Are you out of your mind or something??!
-Liang
Ed: Anyone else notice how Cry Havoc is pretty much the only people defending supercarriers in low sec? I guess I can see why when they're busy hot dropping every capital they can find with dozens of supercarriers. Guess they lost what made them special because of the new i-win button.
Why are you so mad?
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.29 05:30:00 -
[239]
Low sec is dying "BECAUSE OF LOCAL".
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.04.29 06:56:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Ed: Anyone else notice how Cry Havoc is pretty much the only people defending supercarriers in low sec?
Unfortunately someone linked the thread on the alliance board and it confused people into thinking they were a better representative for alliance opinion than Deja.
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