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RayMears
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:50:00 -
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I think its fine for Carriers and SC's to do that sort of thing in low-sec. Part of the game. I think someone is upset they failed to gank someone and has died?
If you're getting SC's dropped onto you, form a fleet and have them on stand-bby, try get a kill. Stop blody moaning, I am sure your grown up.
Titans should be un-nerfed aswell and be allowed to use the Doomsday in low-sec.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Ranger 1
Big fish, little fish...
Sometimes the hardest part for the middle sized fish is to keep in mind where they are in the food chain.
It's true. But that has nothing to do with people bringing ewar immune ships into a place where fully 3/4s of the counters don't work. If you want to bring a supercap into low sec, you should be able to be tackled by a single interceptor - just like any other carrier.
-Liang
How many counters does the typical person have that blunders unwisely into a 20 pirate camp on a low sec gate?
Probably as many as the 20 man pirate camp has when a Super Carrier cyno's into thier midst.
In both cases you have to decide whether your best chance lies with fight or flight... and in the above cases flight usually is the wiser move.
To quote Clint Eastwood: A man has to know his limitations.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 How many counters does the typical person have that blunders unwisely into a 20 pirate camp on a low sec gate?
It depends what you're in. If you're in anything smaller than a cruiser, you probably won't be bothered because of sentry guns preventing small fry from operating on a gate. It's pretty easy to get even battlecruisers out of big enough gatecamps - which is why the BC is the ship of choice in low sec.
Quote: To quote Clint Eastwood: A man has to know his limitations.
That does nothing to address the fact that 3/4s of the supposed "counters" to supercarriers and titans don't actually work in low sec. Like I said: either make all the counters work or make them not required in the first place.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:08:00 -
[64]
boohoo
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 26/04/2010 20:15:51
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Ranger 1 How many counters does the typical person have that blunders unwisely into a 20 pirate camp on a low sec gate?
It depends what you're in. If you're in anything smaller than a cruiser, you probably won't be bothered because of sentry guns preventing small fry from operating on a gate. It's pretty easy to get even battlecruisers out of big enough gatecamps - which is why the BC is the ship of choice in low sec.
-Liang
So in other words in both cases your option is to run, if you are able. Check.
As to the Quote: That does nothing to address the fact that 3/4s of the supposed "counters" to supercarriers and titans don't actually work in low sec. Like I said: either make all the counters work or make them not required in the first place.
statement, what counters that work in Null Sec but don't work in Low Sec are you referring to exactly?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
As to the Quote: That does nothing to address the fact that 3/4s of the supposed "counters" to supercarriers and titans don't actually work in low sec. Like I said: either make all the counters work or make them not required in the first place.
statement, what counters that work in Null Sec but don't work in Low Sec are you referring to exactly?
*Anchored bubbles *Interdictor bubbles *Hictor bubbles Hictor focused
* Don't work in low sec
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Kenneth McCoy
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:45:00 -
[67]
ahahahahaha...
B'AWWWWW A SUPERCARRIER STOPPED MY 10 MAN GATECAMP FROM KILLING A LONE BATTLESHIP~~
BAWWWWWWWWWW
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
To quote Clint Eastwood: A man has to know his limitations.
Get it right.
"Man's got to know his limitations"
Is the correct quote
SKUNK (o)
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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:54:00 -
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tl;dr
OP's corp tried to escalate a BS fight with carriers, OP's corp loses carrier to re-escalation, OP's corp starts bawwing, some siigari fanboi jumps in and whiteknights ******s (as usual), everyone wins.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/04/2010 21:01:28
Originally by: Viper ****zIe tl;dr
OP's corp tried to escalate a BS fight with carriers, OP's corp loses carrier to re-escalation, OP's corp starts bawwing, some siigari fanboi jumps in and whiteknights ******s (as usual), everyone wins.
Comments: - I wouldn't call myself a Siigari fanboi. Especially not because I'm fairly certain I'm banned from his Aduro public channel after my posting in C&P. - I'm impressed that you feel I whiteknighted someone. I had to urban dictionary it to even know what you meant though. - Whether the OP lost carriers to a re-escalation is immaterial to the argument that supercarriers and titans are overpowered in low sec due to most of their counters not actually working.
TBH, the thread is starting to sound like "Bawwww, someone might be able to tackle my low sec pwnmobile with less than the megablobs I'm afraid to face in 0.0!!! Bawwww!!" Man if you guys feel that things are so boring in 0.0, why don't you unblue a few of your neighbors? What, skeert?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
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SmackaDoom
Rapscallions Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:06:00 -
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unfortunatly its just something you have to live with .... its nothing new
http://rapscallions.eve-pilot.com/index.php?a=kill_detail&kll_id=919
thats from 10 months ago when CH dropped 4 SC's and 6 carriers on my onyx in lowsec
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Reyold Bengali
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Ranger 1
As to the Quote: That does nothing to address the fact that 3/4s of the supposed "counters" to supercarriers and titans don't actually work in low sec. Like I said: either make all the counters work or make them not required in the first place.
statement, what counters that work in Null Sec but don't work in Low Sec are you referring to exactly?
*Anchored bubbles *Interdictor bubbles *Hictor bubbles Hictor focused
* Don't work in low sec
-Liang
Hictor bubbles won't work against a SC/Titan in 0.0 either. Needs the focused script loaded in order to be able to tackle those ships, if memory serves. ------- Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. |
Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Ranger 1
As to the Quote: That does nothing to address the fact that 3/4s of the supposed "counters" to supercarriers and titans don't actually work in low sec. Like I said: either make all the counters work or make them not required in the first place.
statement, what counters that work in Null Sec but don't work in Low Sec are you referring to exactly?
*Anchored bubbles *Interdictor bubbles *Hictor bubbles Hictor focused
* Don't work in low sec
-Liang
The lack of bubbles in low sec applies to all ships, not just Super Carriers... as you well know.
If you "did" have the use of bubbles in low sec, your 20 man pirate camp would still have to run. Frankly, if bubbles were available in low sec they would probably do that 20 man gang more harm than good in the above encounter if the SC has any support at all.
I understand you don't like being hot dropped by SC.
I also understand your not liking the fact that your best option is to escape (unless you have laid a very carefully prepared trap).
I'm not anti-pirate in any way, but you also have to understand the humor and the truth in that the situation you are facing is no different tactically than the situation that your typical gate camp victim finds themselves in. That being either run like hell, or have a plan and appropriate back up.
Le Skunk: You are, of course, correct.
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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
- Whether the OP lost carriers to a re-escalation is immaterial to the argument that supercarriers and titans are overpowered in low sec due to most of their counters not actually working.
TBH, the thread is starting to sound like "Bawwww, someone might be able to tackle my low sec pwnmobile with less than the megablobs I'm afraid to face in 0.0!!! Bawwww!!" Man if you guys feel that things are so boring in 0.0, why don't you unblue a few of your neighbors? What, skeert?
-Liang
If the counters don't work, why do they die in lowsec?
I think your problem is more than 20 people in frigates and battleships with HIC support can't kill a mothership now, which is pretty much the way it should be and also the way it's always been. If anything, motherships are worse now in lowsec since they can't store fighters (except the nyx and maybe the Hel) which work much better against subcaps than fighterbombers. When's the last time you saw a mothership chase someone down and tacke it, you have to be pretty stupid (or in a capital) to be killed by one.
Also, you might have noticed that we're not affiliated with any SC or NC entity (except CH who we work with on occasion) and we're a 53 charcter corp (with about 20 individual people). Not exactly the ~megablob~ that you keep crying about, is it?
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 26/04/2010 19:45:40
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon HI PL THX FOR THE 11 SUPERCARRIER HOTDROP IN LOWSEC ~~
REQUESTED TO DOCK DOCKING OPERATION ALREADY IN PROGRESS
REQUESTED TO DOCK DOCKING OPERATION ALREADY IN PROGRESS
You were playing station games anyway.
Phantasm vs 11 supercarriers.
I HAD A CHANCE DONT HATE ME. ________
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:25:00 -
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The food chain indeed! LOL.
The groups of players who like to hotdrop SCs in lowsec are the same players that have been run out of 0.0 by larger blobs and are now content to pick on anyone smaller than they are. The reason you don't see SCs thrown around in 0.0 too often is that there are Titans on hand with DDs ready to one volley them to bits. That and the fact that 50-100 dread pilots are fairly easy to get delivered to your grid if you know what you're doing.
As for "SC pilots are always sitting around bored", I call bull****. I don't know of ONE SC pilot that either A) uses the SC on his main without having multiple PVP alts while his main is in an SC or B) simply has an SC alt dedicated to flying it. Nobody is ever just 'sitting around bored' in their SC. I haven't confined my main to the coffin that is my Nyx and I never will.
A single SC in lowsec isn't a problem in my opinion. Even an SC with a few carriers or dreads, still, not that much of a problem. It's when you get 4+ SCs remote repping each other while they're unable to be jammed to stop the remote reps (gasp! Bellum supporting ECM!) that things get a little out of hand. This is particularly the case when all the SCs are set up specifically to spidertank with all RRs, no local reps and an ultra-hardened tank. No bueno.
Liang brought it up earlier and I think it's a great idea as well, even if I do have a SC myself- SCs need to lose their EW immunity in lowsec.
Titans have lost their DD use in lowsec. This sets the precedent for the game design. There is no RP reason for it, it just is. SCs are already incredibly powerful, particularly after their massive HP boost and the addition of fighterbombers. Even with the loss of EW immunity in lowsec a group of 4-6 SCs would be almost impossible to kill without a massive blob. With the removal of EW immunity at least smaller entities would have a fighting chance of jamming the SC remote rep chain in order to slowly take down a single target before the rest cyno out.
SCs are more powerful than they ever have been. Nobody can compare a modern SC to the Motherships of old. Were x13 to try and kill an SC of today they would fail miserably. It's a good thing to have different and varied combat environments in Eve. Each area has it's own style and flavor of combat. It's clear that SCs are an 'I win' button at the moment. I think it's fair to reduce that, if only by a very small amount. If SC pilots want fights then they opposing fleet needs to have at least a -hope- of succeeding. -
Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Raetherana
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Snake O'Donell
Originally by: Aerilis *cough*cryhavoc*cough*
Aerilis Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
Oh the irony.
+1
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Ephemeron
G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:27:00 -
[78]
The problem isn't specific to super carriers, it's the general proliferation of caps with easy cyno usage
There's a good thread about it with nice counter ideas here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1294995
Basically, some short range cyno jammer would greatly improve PvP for small scale gangs
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus The food chain indeed! LOL.
The groups of players who like to hotdrop SCs in lowsec are the same players that have been run out of 0.0 by larger blobs and are now content to pick on anyone smaller than they are. The reason you don't see SCs thrown around in 0.0 too often is that there are Titans on hand with DDs ready to one volley them to bits. That and the fact that 50-100 dread pilots are fairly easy to get delivered to your grid if you know what you're doing.
As for "SC pilots are always sitting around bored", I call bull****. I don't know of ONE SC pilot that either A) uses the SC on his main without having multiple PVP alts while his main is in an SC or B) simply has an SC alt dedicated to flying it. Nobody is ever just 'sitting around bored' in their SC. I haven't confined my main to the coffin that is my Nyx and I never will.
A single SC in lowsec isn't a problem in my opinion. Even an SC with a few carriers or dreads, still, not that much of a problem. It's when you get 4+ SCs remote repping each other while they're unable to be jammed to stop the remote reps (gasp! Bellum supporting ECM!) that things get a little out of hand. This is particularly the case when all the SCs are set up specifically to spidertank with all RRs, no local reps and an ultra-hardened tank. No bueno.
Liang brought it up earlier and I think it's a great idea as well, even if I do have a SC myself- SCs need to lose their EW immunity in lowsec.
Titans have lost their DD use in lowsec. This sets the precedent for the game design. There is no RP reason for it, it just is. SCs are already incredibly powerful, particularly after their massive HP boost and the addition of fighterbombers. Even with the loss of EW immunity in lowsec a group of 4-6 SCs would be almost impossible to kill without a massive blob. With the removal of EW immunity at least smaller entities would have a fighting chance of jamming the SC remote rep chain in order to slowly take down a single target before the rest cyno out.
SCs are more powerful than they ever have been. Nobody can compare a modern SC to the Motherships of old. Were x13 to try and kill an SC of today they would fail miserably. It's a good thing to have different and varied combat environments in Eve. Each area has it's own style and flavor of combat. It's clear that SCs are an 'I win' button at the moment. I think it's fair to reduce that, if only by a very small amount. If SC pilots want fights then they opposing fleet needs to have at least a -hope- of succeeding.
Not that my opinion matters, but I wouldn't see a huge problem with that Bellum. It would be far preferable to allowing bubbles to work in Low Sec at any rate.
===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus The reason you don't see SCs thrown around in 0.0 too often is that there are Titans on hand with DDs ready to one volley them to bits.
You sure know a lot about this game.
Originally by: Bellum Eternus I haven't confined my main to the coffin that is my Nyx and I never will.
You have a nyx and you think titans can one volley it, really?
Originally by: Bellum Eternus This is particularly the case when all the SCs are set up specifically to spidertank with all RRs, no local reps and an ultra-hardened tank. No bueno.
Bringing proper fits gives you an upper hand? Why I never.
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Liang brought it up earlier and I think it's a great idea as well, even if I do have a SC myself- SCs need to lose their EW immunity in lowsec.
Titans have lost their DD use in lowsec. This sets the precedent for the game design.
Titans haven't lost their EW immunity in lowsec, there is no precedent except your whinging.
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Turin
Caldari Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:54:00 -
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Um... Cry more. Waaaaaaaaaaa.
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Bruce Carraway
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:57:00 -
[82]
make super caps dockable!!!
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:08:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe I hear crying on the forums when you get outplayed is a viable tactic.
How did it work for you after D-G? Signed, Pheusia |
Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Pheusia
Originally by: Viper ****zIe I hear crying on the forums when you get outplayed is a viable tactic.
How did it work for you after D-G?
Nice troll bro I have no idea where D-G is or what happened there~
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bruce Carraway make super caps dockable!!!
o/ Bruce, long time no see.
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elorran
Minmatar Department of Defence Prismatic Refraction
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: elorran on 26/04/2010 22:13:44 Getting dropped by super caps is highly annoying but thats what they're there for amoungst other things. Thes people pay billions to aquire the ships and they take a long time to skill up the requirements to get access for capital ships.
As much as I would like to see more ways to stop super capitals from being used like this, its a perfectly valid tactic. One we were even on the recieving end of recently.
And its worth pointing out that when someone does get a super cap kill you never hear whining about how over powered they are then. But also how under powered the super caps are and need a boost. Its a 2 way street and a lot of the smaller groups getting hot dropped need to understand that.
Most don't like it only because they don't have access to it or can't seem to get there head around it. It reminds me of the nano arguements all over again.
Nano-nano
- - elorran is part time theoretical theorist, and an avid connoisseur of fine whines - - elorran is part time theoretical theorist, and an avid connoisseur of fine whines |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Viper ****zIe
Originally by: Bellum Eternus The reason you don't see SCs thrown around in 0.0 too often is that there are Titans on hand with DDs ready to one volley them to bits.
You sure know a lot about this game.
Originally by: Bellum Eternus I haven't confined my main to the coffin that is my Nyx and I never will.
You have a nyx and you think titans can one volley it, really?
Originally by: Bellum Eternus This is particularly the case when all the SCs are set up specifically to spidertank with all RRs, no local reps and an ultra-hardened tank. No bueno.
Bringing proper fits gives you an upper hand? Why I never.
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Liang brought it up earlier and I think it's a great idea as well, even if I do have a SC myself- SCs need to lose their EW immunity in lowsec.
Titans have lost their DD use in lowsec. This sets the precedent for the game design.
Titans haven't lost their EW immunity in lowsec, there is no precedent except your whinging.
Selective reading FTL.
1) You answered your own question with respect to Titans easily killing a SC in one volley: Titan(S). Plural. One volley from multiple ships. Instantly killed in one volley. No amount of spider tanking will save you from an alpha strike. Only an idiot would have confused what I said to derive your interpretation of my statement.
2) How am I complaining about proper fits? I'm simply reiterating how much more effective spider tanking SCs can be with optimal fits vs. simple 6x 'solo' fits. Only an idiot would have confused what I said to derive your interpretation of my statement.
3) Titans have lost their ability to doomsday in lowsec. Not EW immunity. Keep up. Only an idiot would have confused what I said to derive your interpretation of my statement.
You sure know a lot about this game. Only an idiot would have confused what I said to derive your interpretation of my statements. -
Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Not that my opinion matters, but I wouldn't see a huge problem with that Bellum. It would be far preferable to allowing bubbles to work in Low Sec at any rate.
I don't want bubbles in lowsec either. Absolutely not. Bubbles are easy mode tackle for 0.0 nubs and admittedly just about the only way to kill CovOps Cloak fit ships these days. I think with the simple removal of EW immunity in lowsec SCs would be much more approachable by a fleet without their own SC and give smaller fleets a fighting chance.
Groups of SCs would still be insanely powerful and very difficult to take down but at least people would have other options than the 200+ dreads that would be required to break a 6x SC perma spider tank.
Viper is simply terrified of anyone touching his "I win" button. -
Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Mutnin
Amarr Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 26/04/2010 23:10:30 Capitols in general are killing low sec. It would be nice if they all just went away or if the fuel cost to use in low sec went up drastically. Make it so expensive to use them in low that it becomes counter productive. Most capitols in low sec are used by station jockeys playing homosexual docking games anyway.
Leave low sec for small gang warfare and start giving incentives to do so.
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Viper ShizzIe
Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
1) You answered your own question with respect to Titans easily killing a SC in one volley: Titan(S). Plural. One volley from multiple ships. Instantly killed in one volley. No amount of spider tanking will save you from an alpha strike. Only an idiot would have confused what I said to derive your interpretation of my statement.
2) How am I complaining about proper fits? I'm simply reiterating how much more effective spider tanking SCs can be with optimal fits vs. simple 6x 'solo' fits. Only an idiot would have confused what I said to derive your interpretation of my statement.
3) Titans have lost their ability to doomsday in lowsec. Not EW immunity. Keep up. Only an idiot would have confused what I said to derive your interpretation of my statement.
You sure know a lot about this game. Only an idiot would have confused what I said to derive your interpretation of my statements.
What's with all the ad hominem Bellum, I just pointed out what you said.
Let's do some simple numbers here. It would take 12 titans to kill a properly fit Nyx with DDs (on lowest resist, explosive), it would take 19 to kill a properly fit Nyx if it decided to overload its hardeners. This is all assuming it has no gang bonuses and if they all had DD 5. FYI, it's 26-27 with a Erebus boosting. Only an idiot would think this is feasible without the node crashing and only an idiot would take a mothership into such a situation.
Next, there is no difference between a "solo fit" mothership and a "bricked RR fit mothership". Only an idiot would have personal reps and only an idiot wouldn't try to maximize their effective hitpoints.
Also, maybe you should understand the definition of precedent. Saying that one class of ships lost the ability to do one thing while assuming that means an entirely different class of ships should not be able to do something completely different does not imply precedent. Hell, it doesn't even imply that the two classes are connected in any way (you may notice the use of the word different).
Only an idiot could complain about things being "overpowered" or "game breaking" or "not fair" when they have no idea how they work in the actual game environment.
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