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Marie Sklodowska	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:14:00 - [301] Holy Alt Posting Batman! www.eve-search.com \| www.myevebay.com
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VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:34:00 - [303] Originally by: Monkeh Look at either screenshot again, check the time stamp on the transfer of funds from Tion to Axee, might be nothing but if it was my isk I'd be asking why it was transfered 5-6 minutes before I'd authorized it... how can you tell that the isk was transfered to Axee before Fret said he got the char according to the ss? i see 4 other posts after Fret apparently said he got the char and at the top is says that the last post was made at 4:21:49. it is plausible to think that those 4 posts were made after 4:15 as the wallets suggests when the isk was transfered. ??? ------------------- http://cys.net.au
VeniVidi Vici	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:34:00 - [304] Originally by: Monkeh Look at either screenshot again, check the time stamp on the transfer of funds from Tion to Axee, might be nothing but if it was my isk I'd be asking why it was transfered 5-6 minutes before I'd authorized it... how can you tell that the isk was transfered to Axee before Fret said he got the char according to the ss? i see 4 other posts after Fret apparently said he got the char and at the top is says that the last post was made at 4:21:49. it is plausible to think that those 4 posts were made after 4:15 as the wallets suggests when the isk was transfered. ??? ------------------- http://cys.net.au
Lettuce Prey	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:48:00 - [305] when did BIG get so low on cash that they need to go looking for this small amount of money? if BIG needed to run a scam for cash, they have the lottory, and the big deal. they could quietly take much more than that from those places, and not have to deal with someone, anyone, screamining about it. so just on the face of things, if i wanted to belive that BIG is a scammer, i would think that they could get much more from these other places. but more importantly, is BIG really so broke that they NEED this small amount of cash? i think not nuff sed
Lettuce Prey	Posted - 2004.12.16 07:48:00 - [306] when did BIG get so low on cash that they need to go looking for this small amount of money? if BIG needed to run a scam for cash, they have the lottory, and the big deal. they could quietly take much more than that from those places, and not have to deal with someone, anyone, screamining about it. so just on the face of things, if i wanted to belive that BIG is a scammer, i would think that they could get much more from these other places. but more importantly, is BIG really so broke that they NEED this small amount of cash? i think not nuff sed
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:02:00 - [307] As i have said before... I dont think tis is a "BIG" scam, i think tornsoul has been misguided by tion, or at the worst there is a cover up to protect the BIG name. At any rate i cant say it enough...ITS NOT ABOUT THE ISK ANYMORE, ITS ABOUT THE TRUTH, I want the truth to be known. I was scammed this is a fact. Who did it for what reasons i dont know but all i ahve now is my word being that now most of my isk is gone...and i will fight to keep a clear name. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:02:00 - [308] As i have said before... I dont think tis is a "BIG" scam, i think tornsoul has been misguided by tion, or at the worst there is a cover up to protect the BIG name. At any rate i cant say it enough...ITS NOT ABOUT THE ISK ANYMORE, ITS ABOUT THE TRUTH, I want the truth to be known. I was scammed this is a fact. Who did it for what reasons i dont know but all i ahve now is my word being that now most of my isk is gone...and i will fight to keep a clear name. "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Monkeh	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:30:00 - [309] I can't Veni, I can only interpret the evidence we're presented with which the only timestamps came from Fret's chatlogs on the other post and Tornsoul's posted screenshots - which was BIG's proof of Fret's guilt. Tornsoul's quote of chat wasn't timestamped. Quote: --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2100001042 Channel Name: big Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 04:08:35 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 04:11:19 ] Tion > sorry crashed [ 2004.12.11 04:11:45 ] Tion > Just eve mail me if it doesn't come I'll send your ISK back. I'm working nights right now and Someimes I'm to tired to get on. [ 2004.12.11 04:14:53 ] Fret > no i didnt recieve it yet [ 2004.12.11 04:15:09 ] Fret > i dont like the way he loged either [ 2004.12.11 04:15:16 ] Fret > thats not good business [ 2004.12.11 04:15:32 ] Fret > even if he is genuine it still looks bad [ 2004.12.11 04:15:42 ] Tion > yes it does. [ 2004.12.11 04:15:47 ] Tion > We'll wait and see [ 2004.12.11 04:15:52 ] Fret > indeed [ 2004.12.11 04:15:58 ] Fret > do u know him? [ 2004.12.11 04:17:20 ] Tion > Well He's a friend of my friend. (RL) [ 2004.12.11 04:17:29 ] Tion > Other wise I'd never have agreed to this [ 2004.12.11 04:17:34 ] Tion > I got into a LOT of trouble [ 2004.12.11 04:17:41 ] Tion > for agreeing to do it in the first place. [ 2004.12.11 04:18:44 ] Fret > well i trust you only because u are a member of BIG, i hope your friend would not try to cheat me [ 2004.12.11 04:19:16 ] Tion > I hope so too Or I'm going to get one hell of a spanking from TornSoul [ 2004.12.11 04:19:37 ] Fret > well he is your rl friend so lets hope not [ 2004.12.11 04:20:18 ] Fret > if i dont have the character by next server reboot, ill be contacting tornsoul [ 2004.12.11 04:20:47 ] Tion > eve mail me and I'll send you your ISK back :) [ 2004.12.11 04:20:57 ] Fret > i have transfered characters many times....i have never recieved a wait, it is usualy instant [ 2004.12.11 04:21:19 ] Tion > I do not know because I've never done it that is starnge for sure [ 2004.12.11 04:21:27 ] Fret > but hopefuly i get the char...after all thts what i want the most [ 2004.12.11 04:21:40 ] Fret > ty for your help sir, i have to go to lunch [ 2004.12.11 04:21:43 ] Fret > ill be in touch [ 2004.12.11 04:21:44 ] Tion > yes it's a nice char [ 2004.12.11 04:21:50 ] Tion > ok enjoy your lunch Now if we had uncompressed .bmp wallet screengrabs of the original transaction from Fret to Tion, Tion to Axee and Axee receiving the isk from Tion, and 3rd party chat logs with time stamps from other people in the BIG channel at the time this convo was happening then it would be a different matter and very easy to put it all together, and should have been what Tornsoul based the final verdict on. I can see a lot more inconsistancies with the limited evidence here already but tbh if I countinue I'd then be getting more involved than I want to be. This should have been kept behind closed doors or left petitioned so someone who can track the evidence from untampered server logs could tell you (or simply check if the credit card transaction and char transfer order took place and answer if you we're scammed or not).
Monkeh	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:30:00 - [310] I can't Veni, I can only interpret the evidence we're presented with which the only timestamps came from Fret's chatlogs on the other post and Tornsoul's posted screenshots - which was BIG's proof of Fret's guilt. Tornsoul's quote of chat wasn't timestamped. Quote: --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: 2100001042 Channel Name: big Listener: Fret Session started: 2004.12.11 04:08:35 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2004.12.11 04:11:19 ] Tion > sorry crashed [ 2004.12.11 04:11:45 ] Tion > Just eve mail me if it doesn't come I'll send your ISK back. I'm working nights right now and Someimes I'm to tired to get on. [ 2004.12.11 04:14:53 ] Fret > no i didnt recieve it yet [ 2004.12.11 04:15:09 ] Fret > i dont like the way he loged either [ 2004.12.11 04:15:16 ] Fret > thats not good business [ 2004.12.11 04:15:32 ] Fret > even if he is genuine it still looks bad [ 2004.12.11 04:15:42 ] Tion > yes it does. [ 2004.12.11 04:15:47 ] Tion > We'll wait and see [ 2004.12.11 04:15:52 ] Fret > indeed [ 2004.12.11 04:15:58 ] Fret > do u know him? [ 2004.12.11 04:17:20 ] Tion > Well He's a friend of my friend. (RL) [ 2004.12.11 04:17:29 ] Tion > Other wise I'd never have agreed to this [ 2004.12.11 04:17:34 ] Tion > I got into a LOT of trouble [ 2004.12.11 04:17:41 ] Tion > for agreeing to do it in the first place. [ 2004.12.11 04:18:44 ] Fret > well i trust you only because u are a member of BIG, i hope your friend would not try to cheat me [ 2004.12.11 04:19:16 ] Tion > I hope so too Or I'm going to get one hell of a spanking from TornSoul [ 2004.12.11 04:19:37 ] Fret > well he is your rl friend so lets hope not [ 2004.12.11 04:20:18 ] Fret > if i dont have the character by next server reboot, ill be contacting tornsoul [ 2004.12.11 04:20:47 ] Tion > eve mail me and I'll send you your ISK back :) [ 2004.12.11 04:20:57 ] Fret > i have transfered characters many times....i have never recieved a wait, it is usualy instant [ 2004.12.11 04:21:19 ] Tion > I do not know because I've never done it that is starnge for sure [ 2004.12.11 04:21:27 ] Fret > but hopefuly i get the char...after all thts what i want the most [ 2004.12.11 04:21:40 ] Fret > ty for your help sir, i have to go to lunch [ 2004.12.11 04:21:43 ] Fret > ill be in touch [ 2004.12.11 04:21:44 ] Tion > yes it's a nice char [ 2004.12.11 04:21:50 ] Tion > ok enjoy your lunch Now if we had uncompressed .bmp wallet screengrabs of the original transaction from Fret to Tion, Tion to Axee and Axee receiving the isk from Tion, and 3rd party chat logs with time stamps from other people in the BIG channel at the time this convo was happening then it would be a different matter and very easy to put it all together, and should have been what Tornsoul based the final verdict on. I can see a lot more inconsistancies with the limited evidence here already but tbh if I countinue I'd then be getting more involved than I want to be. This should have been kept behind closed doors or left petitioned so someone who can track the evidence from untampered server logs could tell you (or simply check if the credit card transaction and char transfer order took place and answer if you we're scammed or not).
TommySpanky	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:33:00 - [311] Originally by: Lord Byron DAMN , what a PR I would gladly pay 1 BILL. for such a "scam". I think Lord byron might be onto something
TommySpanky	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:33:00 - [312] Originally by: Lord Byron DAMN , what a PR I would gladly pay 1 BILL. for such a "scam". I think Lord byron might be onto something
Pentara	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:50:00 - [313] Edited by: Pentara on 16/12/2004 09:36:24 I think Fret probably got scammed by Axee, not by Big. Else, why the coverup? I don't believe Big had anything to do with the scam. They are most likely just trying to preserve their reputation or they believed a member over evidence. Now it's too late to go back and say oops. I'm not sure if Tion is trying to save his reputation from a case of bad luck or his butt from some more nefarious actions. But, the screenshot is altered. Open Photoshop and zoom in a little, and you can see that the one line of text in contention has a line of dark pixels separating the text from the wallet overview, while all the other lines which continue behind the wallet have the text merging into the wallet. Here is a zoomed view showing 3 unaltered lines and the 1 line in question with the mysterious black barrier where white pixels from the half covered letter e should be. Zoomed View
Pentara	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:50:00 - [314] Edited by: Pentara on 16/12/2004 09:36:24 I think Fret probably got scammed by Axee, not by Big. Else, why the coverup? I don't believe Big had anything to do with the scam. They are most likely just trying to preserve their reputation or they believed a member over evidence. Now it's too late to go back and say oops. I'm not sure if Tion is trying to save his reputation from a case of bad luck or his butt from some more nefarious actions. But, the screenshot is altered. Open Photoshop and zoom in a little, and you can see that the one line of text in contention has a line of dark pixels separating the text from the wallet overview, while all the other lines which continue behind the wallet have the text merging into the wallet. Here is a zoomed view showing 3 unaltered lines and the 1 line in question with the mysterious black barrier where white pixels from the half covered letter e should be. Zoomed View
Riddari	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:55:00 - [315] We need Angela Lansbury! ¼©¼ a history
Riddari	Posted - 2004.12.16 08:55:00 - [316] We need Angela Lansbury! ¼©¼ a history
fallen killer	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:01:00 - [317] Well Done Tornsoul Another scammer caught FRET give it up you tried and failed looser I see all the BIG/FA bashers are trying to clutch at straws pathetic the evidence is overwhelming
fallen killer	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:01:00 - [318] Well Done Tornsoul Another scammer caught FRET give it up you tried and failed looser I see all the BIG/FA bashers are trying to clutch at straws pathetic the evidence is overwhelming
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:16:00 - [319] oh my god, this is so unreal "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:16:00 - [320] oh my god, this is so unreal "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Chepe Nolon	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:23:00 - [321] Well done BIG. Nice investigation there. Remember that screenshots can be tampered with too, but it's much harder than a log. Originally by: Fret oh my god, this is so unreal Yes, it's eve.
Chepe Nolon	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:23:00 - [322] Well done BIG. Nice investigation there. Remember that screenshots can be tampered with too, but it's much harder than a log. Originally by: Fret oh my god, this is so unreal Yes, it's eve.
Mrs Hauler	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:41:00 - [323] Fret Your "im too stupid to use a computer - look at me im all innocent and niave" doesn't wash Who are you -- (nobody) who is BIG -- (Well known corp with proven track record that deal in many billions) Frankly love him or hate him Tornsoul wouldn't stoop to this crap - your trying to convince 20k of players that he would do a total u-turn for no apparent reason that protecting a member or stealing some ISK -well this is one player that you won't convince. He said at the beginning of the thread char transfer is not something he wants his corp to do - now we see why scammers like you targetting the T2 corps to try and damage thier rep -- well done you have just improved it 100 fold. To Tornsoul - fantastic work and the funniest story I've read for a long time. This coupled with the evidence given = Fret you are a total idiot - that screenshot shoots you down in flames - You gave it a try and failed - move on nothing more to do here. PS if there is a conspiracy here then try these are you and axee in this together ? was it your intention to attack BIG rather than go for the 750 mill- who's backing you? Are you that bitter and twisted that when caught you cant actually admit it? Did you get your account from ebay? When are you gonna admit that your caught and stop giving BIG's reputation an increase instead of doing the damage you intend?
Mrs Hauler	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:41:00 - [324] Fret Your "im too stupid to use a computer - look at me im all innocent and niave" doesn't wash Who are you -- (nobody) who is BIG -- (Well known corp with proven track record that deal in many billions) Frankly love him or hate him Tornsoul wouldn't stoop to this crap - your trying to convince 20k of players that he would do a total u-turn for no apparent reason that protecting a member or stealing some ISK -well this is one player that you won't convince. He said at the beginning of the thread char transfer is not something he wants his corp to do - now we see why scammers like you targetting the T2 corps to try and damage thier rep -- well done you have just improved it 100 fold. To Tornsoul - fantastic work and the funniest story I've read for a long time. This coupled with the evidence given = Fret you are a total idiot - that screenshot shoots you down in flames - You gave it a try and failed - move on nothing more to do here. PS if there is a conspiracy here then try these are you and axee in this together ? was it your intention to attack BIG rather than go for the 750 mill- who's backing you? Are you that bitter and twisted that when caught you cant actually admit it? Did you get your account from ebay? When are you gonna admit that your caught and stop giving BIG's reputation an increase instead of doing the damage you intend?
Captain blackadder	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:44:00 - [325] ROFL Great work Tornsoul
Captain blackadder	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:44:00 - [326] ROFL Great work Tornsoul
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:56:00 - [327] wow, is everyone computer savy that plays this game? Am i naive for not being able to use computers? Or am i naive for falling for a scam? I am not attacking BIG!!! I am attacking whomever scamed me....JESUS!!!! "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Fret	Posted - 2004.12.16 09:56:00 - [328] wow, is everyone computer savy that plays this game? Am i naive for not being able to use computers? Or am i naive for falling for a scam? I am not attacking BIG!!! I am attacking whomever scamed me....JESUS!!!! "A milliary operation has no standard form - it goes by way of deception." Cao Cao, Sun Tzu's Art of War
Boffin	Posted - 2004.12.16 10:12:00 - [329] Edited by: Boffin on 16/12/2004 10:59:55 Edited by: Boffin on 16/12/2004 10:14:33 This looks to me like a well constructed Scam, the difficult thing is determining who is doing the scamming and who is being scammed. Usually when someone has been scammed they end up losing something, and the person that Scams comes away with a gain and then goes into hiding. Fret has proved that she hast lost 750 million BIG is in danger of losing reputation Tion is in danger of losing reputation and membership to BIG Axee - has gained 750 million ISK and is notably absent Tion and Tornsoul have admitted that Axee and Tion are RL firends so we can assume some collusion between the two. As far as i can see the only way that fret could be scamming is if in fact it was in collusion with Tion and Axee and thus would mean the 3 of them have tried to scam Big. I say this because if Fret was not involved in the Scam she would have no way of knowing/ensuring that Axee would bring in the "it says it is going to take 24 hours remark" which in essence ensured the Scam could be played out. i.e If the transaction happened immediately (as Fret was expecting) then Fret would have said ok i got the character thx, Tion would have sent Axee the ISK, everyone satisfied,end of story, the delay was instigated by Tion, as everyone has stated, normally this transaction happens straight away. In fact Tornsoul uses this to defend Tion Quote: I'm sure this is not the first time for you. (You have by your own admission made alot of char transfers, and seems to know they happen instantly). Ask yourselves this. Where would Fret have gone with the scam if the transfer had happened immediately ? Also i may be off the mark on this, but if i open my wallet and look at the transactions in "Journal", i get a damn sight more transactions than Tion seems to have - could be more proof that the image has been doctored ? I think that BIG and Fret have been worked over by Tion and Axee, the only other variation would be Tion, Axee AND Fret have tried to work one over on BIG by shifting 750,000 ISK between the three of them. I genuinely cannot see BIG embarking on this Scam, but it does make you wonder a little about the integrity of their members. Who reading these forums would be happy for Tion to act as a middle man ?...............not me.
Boffin	Posted - 2004.12.16 10:12:00 - [330] Edited by: Boffin on 16/12/2004 10:59:55 Edited by: Boffin on 16/12/2004 10:14:33 This looks to me like a well constructed Scam, the difficult thing is determining who is doing the scamming and who is being scammed. Usually when someone has been scammed they end up losing something, and the person that Scams comes away with a gain and then goes into hiding. Fret has proved that she hast lost 750 million BIG is in danger of losing reputation Tion is in danger of losing reputation and membership to BIG Axee - has gained 750 million ISK and is notably absent Tion and Tornsoul have admitted that Axee and Tion are RL firends so we can assume some collusion between the two. As far as i can see the only way that fret could be scamming is if in fact it was in collusion with Tion and Axee and thus would mean the 3 of them have tried to scam Big. I say this because if Fret was not involved in the Scam she would have no way of knowing/ensuring that Axee would bring in the "it says it is going to take 24 hours remark" which in essence ensured the Scam could be played out. i.e If the transaction happened immediately (as Fret was expecting) then Fret would have said ok i got the character thx, Tion would have sent Axee the ISK, everyone satisfied,end of story, the delay was instigated by Tion, as everyone has stated, normally this transaction happens straight away. In fact Tornsoul uses this to defend Tion Quote: I'm sure this is not the first time for you. (You have by your own admission made alot of char transfers, and seems to know they happen instantly). Ask yourselves this. Where would Fret have gone with the scam if the transfer had happened immediately ? Also i may be off the mark on this, but if i open my wallet and look at the transactions in "Journal", i get a damn sight more transactions than Tion seems to have - could be more proof that the image has been doctored ? I think that BIG and Fret have been worked over by Tion and Axee, the only other variation would be Tion, Axee AND Fret have tried to work one over on BIG by shifting 750,000 ISK between the three of them. I genuinely cannot see BIG embarking on this Scam, but it does make you wonder a little about the integrity of their members. Who reading these forums would be happy for Tion to act as a middle man ?...............not me.

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