EVE Search - 6NJ "fun"

Check My IP Information

All Channels

Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions

6NJ "fun"

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 .. 27 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 4 post(s)
kra torii Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.06.20 13:38:00 - [601] Originally by: Robert Ger the lag we know sience 2009 after dominion patch.. why u cry now about it ? when u losse titans, then u used it every battle, lagg off system let die enemy! and if u have any diferences with my writing, u find me in venal oki ? I personally didn't lose anything in that fight, and lag has been around a lot longer than 2009. I don't see any tears in my thread, maybe you can help me point them out? I don't see why I should come out from my Carebear haven over a gripe on your spelling. (Ah, smack. I love this about CAOD) ~~
Lord TGR Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.20 13:46:00 - [602] Edited by: Lord TGR on 20/06/2010 13:48:57 Originally by: Robert Ger seoriussly ships dead, mails here end. lag is here bugs here, and we must live with it, and goons ? Are you seriously saying that we must live with this and not make demands on CCP to fix it? I mean, seriously, how stupid doesn't that sound? Originally by: Robert Ger the lag we know sience 2009 after dominion patch.. why u cry now about it ? when u losse titans, then u used it every battle, lagg off system let die enemy! People have been ****ing about it ever since dominion hit, the main difference is that people are getting seriously* sick of it. Again, if you can't see through your hate and realize this, well...
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.06.20 13:52:00 - [603] Edited by: Avon on 20/06/2010 13:52:46 It is pretty clear the ships were killed and then accidentally duped somehow. Killmails generated, destroyed modules not on the "ghost" ships, and the pilot being elsewhere all point to that. The question is, should the duped ships be allowed to remain in the game, or should they be removed (no matter which side actually ended up with the ship)? Personally I think the duped ships should be removed, not because of any particular bias, but rather because of the dangerous precedent it sets. Dead ships should stay dead. I don't want a spooky Eve filled with zombie ships - I have quite enough trouble understanding it without the introduction of a supernatural element ... although maybe there would be scope to give new undead slaying roles to the Paladin? Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon
Robert Ger Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.06.20 14:00:00 - [604] Originally by: Lord TGR Edited by: Lord TGR on 20/06/2010 13:48:57 Originally by: Robert Ger seoriussly ships dead, mails here end. lag is here bugs here, and we must live with it, and goons ? Are you seriously saying that we must live with this and not make demands on CCP to fix it? I mean, seriously, how stupid doesn't that sound? Originally by: Robert Ger the lag we know sience 2009 after dominion patch.. why u cry now about it ? when u losse titans, then u used it every battle, lagg off system let die enemy! People have been ****ing about it ever since dominion hit, the main difference is that people are getting seriously* sick of it. Again, if you can't see through your hate and realize this, well... u just missunderstand me... i told these bugs are sience domi patch... and i dont talk we should accpet it, but these bugs are not new... like the whole nc telling Originally by: Katsina Imperian, he is my hero, I love him, I am going to hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George.
Ishbu Gallente Ishukone Factory	Posted - 2010.06.20 14:05:00 - [605] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 20/06/2010 13:52:46 It is pretty clear the ships were killed and then accidentally duped somehow. Killmails generated, destroyed modules not on the "ghost" ships, and the pilot being elsewhere all point to that. The question is, should the duped ships be allowed to remain in the game, or should they be removed (no matter which side actually ended up with the ship)? Personally I think the duped ships should be removed, not because of any particular bias, but rather because of the dangerous precedent it sets. Dead ships should stay dead. I don't want a spooky Eve filled with zombie ships - I have quite enough trouble understanding it without the introduction of a supernatural element ... although maybe there would be scope to give new undead slaying roles to the Paladin? The only thing that is "clear" is there were multiple server BUGS. 1st Being that after the ships jumped out then logged cause of black screens in another system, they were then respawned back in 6nj and then were killed. 2nd Being that at Downtime the server realized there was an issue of ships missing from a system the server had at one time acknowledge where supposed to be there. Your logic is that ccp should enforce one bug but not the second. CCPs standing policy is with server errors to NOT intervene. IE the killmails stay, the people who got loot keep it and the ships stay. You can not pick and choose which bugs to allow and which to rectify. Once again it boils down to as a whole we need to complain to CCP to fix their code. As far as precedence, it has happed before and the "duped" ships as you call them remained ingame.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.06.20 14:15:00 - [606] Originally by: Ishbu You can not pick and choose which bugs to allow and which to rectify. Once again it boils down to as a whole we need to complain to CCP to fix their code. As far as precedence, it has happed before and the "duped" ships as you call them remained ingame. You're right, I can't pick and choose. CCP, however, would be well within their rights to enforce the EULA at their discression. You seem to think that you or I get to decide what is right. We don't. All the information we have comes from the clients, none of us know what happened from the server's point of view. However, more importantly, my post was about the role of the undead in a sci-fi roleplaying setting. Personally I think CCP should keep that type of content for World of Darkness. Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon
Snot Shot Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.20 16:41:00 - [607] How can anyone even be sure that the ships were able to jump out and were not bubbled at the time? I was told that there were so many bubbles on the ships that there was no way there were ever going to jump out. The bug was having them appear to jump out which they could not have which is the reason why they are all dead.. Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!!
Marlona Sky Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.20 17:18:00 - [608] So which form do I fill out to get a duplicate ghost ship of all the ships I have lost to black screen?
Ishbu Gallente Ishukone Factory	Posted - 2010.06.20 17:29:00 - [609] Originally by: Marlona Sky So which form do I fill out to get a duplicate ghost ship of all the ships I have lost to black screen? Same Form I get to fill out to magically make your ship come back to local after you jump out and blackscreen in a new system so I can get killmails?
Marlona Sky Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.20 17:41:00 - [610] Originally by: Ishbu Same Form I get to fill out to magically make your ship come back to local after you jump out and blackscreen in a new system so I can get killmails? Hehehe... I'm more just bumping this in hopes we can get an update from CCP on their investigation to the ghost ships.

Josiphine Noir Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.20 17:48:00 - [611] Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: Ishbu Same Form I get to fill out to magically make your ship come back to local after you jump out and blackscreen in a new system so I can get killmails? Hehehe... I'm more just bumping this in hopes we can get an update from CCP on their investigation to the ghost ships. I have a feeling that if NC is allowed to keep the ships you will end up crying foul and continue on the "CCP Sucks" train but if they aren't you will suddenly love CCP and praise them for making such a wonderful and playable game
Ishbu Gallente Ishukone Factory	Posted - 2010.06.20 17:55:00 - [612] Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: Ishbu Same Form I get to fill out to magically make your ship come back to local after you jump out and blackscreen in a new system so I can get killmails? Hehehe... I'm more just bumping this in hopes we can get an update from CCP on their investigation to the ghost ships. No, I understand. I just want to make sure people understand there are multiple bugs that happend NOT just ghost ships. Hopefully CCP will atleast acknowledge the issues and FIX the damn things.
Marlona Sky Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.20 18:03:00 - [613] Originally by: Josiphine Noir I have a feeling that if NC is allowed to keep the ships you will end up crying foul and continue on the "CCP Sucks" train but if they aren't you will suddenly love CCP and praise them for making such a wonderful and playable game If CCP allows the ghost ships to remain (keep in mind it was not just NC that boarded the ghost ships that appeared after DT, long after the battle was over, so stop thinking I'm just for their removal because NC is gloating about it) it would be a very hard blow to EVE both in game and out of game. It will be like the T20 scandal all over again. And I am sure everyone, including CCP can remember the extremely bad press they got for that across many gaming websites and magazines. Duped items are horrible for any game, especially for one like EVE which when something is destroyed, you can not simply walk back and get everything back like in WoW. If these duplicate ships and fittings are allowed to stay in the game, then EVE is no better than WoW and we lose the edge we have over that game. The two main things I like about this game the most is one server and when things are blown up, it has meaning.
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.20 18:20:00 - [614] Originally by: Marlona Sky If CCP allows the ghost ships to remain (keep in mind it was not just NC that boarded the ghost ships that appeared after DT, long after the battle was over, so stop thinking I'm just for their removal because NC is gloating about it) it would be a very hard blow to EVE both in game and out of game. It will be like the T20 scandal all over again. And I am sure everyone, including CCP can remember the extremely bad press they got for that across many gaming websites and magazines. Then you should already be doing that. They allowed PL to board 20 of their caps that died in Y-2ANO after the following DT. While some other dude in this thread (dunno how believable he was) started saying he has had ccp run around and blow up his ships after jumping, docking and what not (not the same but quite similar). That's the inconsistency there already. The ****up has already happened. What we are looking at now is damage control from ccp and if they do it in a believable enough way so that the playerbase accept what they are saying. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Ishbu Gallente Ishukone Factory	Posted - 2010.06.20 18:21:00 - [615] So what happens if CCP determines from Server logs that infact the ships did jump and the bug was them respawning, "ghosting", back in 6nj? That is a valid outcome as is the "ships died, ghost ships are deleted."
Marlona Sky Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.20 18:29:00 - [616] Originally by: Ishbu So what happens if CCP determines from Server logs that infact the ships did jump and the bug was them respawning, "ghosting", back in 6nj? That is a valid outcome as is the "ships died, ghost ships are deleted." If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post?
Ishbu Gallente Ishukone Factory	Posted - 2010.06.20 18:35:00 - [617] Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: Ishbu So what happens if CCP determines from Server logs that infact the ships did jump and the bug was them respawning, "ghosting", back in 6nj? That is a valid outcome as is the "ships died, ghost ships are deleted." If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post? I am not forgetting that was said. But you have to remember even if there was a bug there would still be logs of ships dying. It wasnt said if the deaths were valid or not. My argument is the bug is the ships RESPAWNING in 6NJ to be killed after jumping. If the logs show that they are legit kills not caused by them being respawned back in 6NJ then so be it, remove the "ghost ships." I just dont think it is going to be that simple either way for CCP to make the call.
Jareck Hunter Caldari Rubicon Legion	Posted - 2010.06.20 18:37:00 - [618] How did the GM explain that ships like the ones destroyed, don't say the same ships nobody knows, appeard in the system they had been "jumped" to? If they never jumped, how does the eve-server know where to place them? ------------------------------------------------- Sorry for my bad english^^
Ishbu Gallente Ishukone Factory	Posted - 2010.06.20 19:09:00 - [619] ok match over, more debate on how CCP failed in the 6nj fight
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.20 19:29:00 - [620] Originally by: Marlona Sky If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post? well I dunno but there seems to have been quite a few NC that on friday morning (me included) sent e-mails to ccp to get their **** in order and start communicating or this would blow up like a new t20 incident. I got a reply from internal affairs saying they were on top of it. An hour after that we had that statement by Grimmi, which i am sorry to say just doesn't cut it and only reminds most of us about the ineptness you fight when you petition stuff. It's not exhaustive in any way, it implies stuff they don't substantiate and that goes contrary to how they've handled this before. In short they started off by hiding more than they say and contradict earlier confidential gm communications to pl. If they plan to handle this situation like that response I think they might be better off saying nothing. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"

Snot Shot Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.20 19:31:00 - [621] Originally by: Fred0 Then you should already be doing that. They allowed PL to board 20 of their caps that died in Y-2ANO after the following DT. How would PL have done this if IT had control of the system after DT? Their KB from that date and after looks like IT camped the cyno spot for days after waiting for people to log in?...I am calling bull** on the PL boarding ghost ships after DT and if they black screened they never would have been able to jump out either so dont give me that **... Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!!
Marlona Sky Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.20 20:15:00 - [622] Originally by: Snot Shot Originally by: Fred0 Then you should already be doing that. They allowed PL to board 20 of their caps that died in Y-2ANO after the following DT. How would PL have done this if IT had control of the system after DT? Their KB from that date and after looks like IT camped the cyno spot for days after waiting for people to log in?...I am calling bull** on the PL boarding ghost ships after DT and if they black screened they never would have been able to jump out either so dont give me that **... That's because Fred0 is a liar.
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.20 20:23:00 - [623] Hardly, I just don't argue with alts. You just have to visit SHC to see it confirmed by several people. Or you could talk to Shamis here on this forum who confirmed this bug. All of them have much much higer credibility than you two. Or you could hold for the CSM meeting logs for next time where it's sure to show up. :D --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Flikoo Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.06.20 20:37:00 - [624] Edited by: Flikoo on 20/06/2010 20:37:55 Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 20/06/2010 18:08:20 Originally by: Josiphine Noir I have a feeling that if NC is allowed to keep the ships you will end up crying foul and continue on the "CCP Sucks" train but if they aren't you will suddenly love CCP and praise them for making such a wonderful and playable game If CCP allows the ghost ships to remain (keep in mind it was not just NC that boarded the ghost ships that appeared after DT, long after the battle was over, so stop thinking I'm just for their removal because NC is gloating about it) it would be a very hard blow to EVE both in game and out of game. It will be like the T20 scandal all over again. And I am sure everyone, including CCP can remember the extremely bad press they got for that across many gaming websites and magazines. Duped items are horrible for any game, especially for one like EVE which when something is destroyed, you can not simply walk back and get everything back like in WoW. If these duplicate ships and fittings are allowed to stay in the game, then EVE is no better than WoW and we lose the edge we have over that game. The two main things I like about this game the most is one server and when things are blown up, it has meaning. EDIT to respond to Ishbu above me: I know, I wish all this buggy crap and lag would go away too. Lag and bugs should not be the deciding factor for any fights or territory or anything in that matter. Especially for our EVE. Thats right CCP, I said our, as in the players. We like our sandbox, our worlds, our fights. We have spent, for a lot of us, years shaping it. We don't want bugs and lag to interfere anymore. Anyways, back to useless smacking and such... Your gonna die NC! Pew pew and stuff!!!!1111twelve!!12222 I hear 2 very contradicting statements, the first is that the titans shouldn't stay, and should be deleted which is interesting because you use the threat of bad media to encourage CCP to delete these titans. It seems like you wish the NC titans to be destroyed because they are NC, even worse, you seem to assume CCP is going to listen to you over evidence left in the server logs of if the ships jumped before they were destroyed or not. It's also a very easy arguement to say those titans surviving are just as possible as them dieing if lag was not a major variable in the battle. The second, is that lag shouldn't be the deciding factor of a battle, but in the case of EVE nullsec it is, and in this certain battle some Titans should've gotten out but didn't due to lag. Currently lag is the deciding factor of battles, and currently all alliances try to use this to their advantage, so instead of using shameless talk and your female avatar to win the hearts of all us fearless forum warriors, you could just leave it up to the GMs and server logs.
Lord TGR Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.20 20:47:00 - [625] Let's live in a pretend world, where the titans and supercarriers are removed by CCP. Good. Now, can we please get back to focusing on the dominion effect, instead of trying to ear** eachother over some ships which doesn't matter as much as the health of the ing gameplay? Please? Pretty please? With a big honking **ing cherry on top?
Marlona Sky Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.20 23:43:00 - [626] Edited by: Marlona Sky on 20/06/2010 23:44:28 Originally by: Flikoo It seems like you wish the NC titans to be destroyed because they are NC Let me clarify for you on my feelings about this. All duplicate items including ships should be removed from the game no matter who is in possession of them. Even Vuk said that a non-NC person boarded one of the Titans that was revived after DT. I do not care who has them. They died and whatever blew up with it should stay dead. Originally by: Flikoo It's also a very easy arguement to say those titans surviving are just as possible as them dieing if lag was not a major variable in the battle. Multiple people said the battlefield was bubbled to hell and back. So maybe, they did the jump thing, and then the server said, "Oh no you didn't!" and made them say even though on the players view he gets the cap loss thing. But hey, we can theorize back and forth all we want till we are blue in the face on what could have happened and things. All I care about is ships and fittings that die stay dead. Originally by: Flikoo The second, is that lag shouldn't be the deciding factor of a battle, but in the case of EVE nullsec it is, and in this certain battle some Titans should've gotten out but didn't due to lag. Now how do you know they should have gotten out? There are is an infinite amount of things that could have happened if lag was not happening. And in a fight involving over a thousand players, no one will ever know. The only thing we can do now is wait for CCP to tell us why the ships that were killed, were revived after DT. I can counter argue your capacitor jump usage with the server showed they were tackled but due to lag, the client on the player side did not register this and thus issued a jump command and used capacitor blah, blah, blah... Ever warp off and then get rubber banded back because you in fact did not warp off on the CCP server side? Yeah, this could be something similar to that. But in the end, we will just have to wait for the CCP findings. Originally by: Flikoo Currently lag is the deciding factor of battles, and currently all alliances try to use this to their advantage, so instead of using shameless talk and your female avatar to win the hearts of all us fearless forum warriors, you could just leave it up to the GMs and server logs. We all know lag is a deciding factor right now. I stated that it should not be. Which I am sure 100% of everyone who logs into this game wishes that was the case too. So in closing, no I did not contradict myself at all. Sorry if me going off what the GM said in this thread upsets you. Maybe you should read it and go off of it as well? EDIT for Lord TGR: I agree, this new post Dominion effect is definitely not good. CCP, what say you?
Ocih Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.06.21 00:03:00 - [627] I dont know why this case was different. If they found a way to log the information they couldnt before. It wouldnt hurt to let everyone know if that is the case. I dont see them applying ISK fixes to all the **** ups in this game. They run 7 years but if people had an idea of what they could expect from battles soured by node instability. Log in with 12000 in game, be in a que. Log in with 48000 in game and go right to game. Log in with que, close the client, log in again lose que, get right in. I'm not dedicated to a node and congestion doesnt play a role in node assignment. Simple point? Something isnt right.
Levitikon Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.21 00:46:00 - [628] Originally by: Lord TGR Originally by: Hagen Stein - Possible item duplication exploits I'm pretty sure a ton of ruthless people already examine how to artifically recreate such scenarios and take advantage of this problem in an attempt to spawn expensive items/ships. I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be a possibility, as every item has its own unique ID. Well, it was-slash-is the same in Diablo 2.The effect: flood of dupes, that disappear when they get on the same shard/game. I can be, there si fine chance you could keep your duped titan alive be strolling away from nodes where your original, non-duped titan is. On unrelated note - your writing is way too coherent and intelligent than GS/F accepted average. I bet you're hatestar on goon forum:) You have my pity for that.
Malcore Trisus Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.06.21 00:56:00 - [629] Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: Snot Shot Originally by: Fred0 Then you should already be doing that. They allowed PL to board 20 of their caps that died in Y-2ANO after the following DT. How would PL have done this if IT had control of the system after DT? Their KB from that date and after looks like IT camped the cyno spot for days after waiting for people to log in?...I am calling bull** on the PL boarding ghost ships after DT and if they black screened they never would have been able to jump out either so dont give me that **... That's because Fred0 is a liar. No, it's because they jumped to MN5. It's not complicated people.
Josiphine Noir Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.21 01:22:00 - [630] Can I ask a simple question? What happens if CCPs investigations show that the ships that were destoryed were the duplicates? Would everyone crying to have them removed accept that answer from the dev team? or will they just cry T20ish foul?



Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 .. 27 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.