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Thunder1971
Caldari Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:47:00 -
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Not loading...then stuck at character selection. tossing a coin...logging in with or without ship :p
There were 1000+ in system...
Good luck to all pilots that are trying to fight...hope I can join ya'll soon. "comrades in arms know the meaning of true friendship". |
fatpants
Gallente They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:50:00 -
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First NC titan down already so I heard.
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BlueMajere
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:51:00 -
[3]
white noise best noise
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Nova Soldier
Caldari ROMANIA Renegades Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:52:00 -
[4]
Hope more to comme !!!
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Thunder1971
Caldari Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Thunder1971 on 16/06/2010 19:53:27 Well it isn't a fight really. On comms it is more cursing about nothing working..not loading...etcetc...The FC is making the best of it though.
Could have been an awesome fight...reinforcement was requested. "comrades in arms know the meaning of true friendship". |
Bearded Zeus
Gallente modro R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:53:00 -
[6]
im going to target the fridge and make a sandwich i think
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RogueAnt
Minmatar Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:54:00 -
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NC NYX down
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Varrakk
Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:54:00 -
[8]
Whos titan died?
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Leuthispar
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:59:00 -
[9]
Surprise butt sex from Mother Russia with love, 1 NC titan dead and 1 NC nyx dead, more going down,. Fight still ongoing about 50 Russian/friend titans vs 10 NC titans, local at 1050 and epic lag :) CAOD A forum for threads with words like: deterministic alts, drama continuations, lagsploits generators, nodecrash extrapolation , killboard stat shader, forum ban distribution, etc. |
Thunder1971
Caldari Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:01:00 -
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Surprise lag sex...and this time around we are mostly on the recieving end of it...
****...euh CCP happens I guess...
Logging off again gonna play something that works :p "comrades in arms know the meaning of true friendship". |
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Bewegung
Amarr Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:01:00 -
[11]
I'm playing the loading screen mini game.
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fatpants
Gallente They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:02:00 -
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2nd nc titan down more to come hopefully.
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Retrovisor
Gallente Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:05:00 -
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CCP wins again!
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Leuthispar
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:05:00 -
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2nd NC Titano dead, more going down. CAOD A forum for threads with words like: deterministic alts, drama continuations, lagsploits generators, nodecrash extrapolation , killboard stat shader, forum ban distribution, etc. |
Thunder1971
Caldari Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:07:00 -
[15]
No they are not...stopping my accounts untill this is fixed...6 day's to go.
Regretfull...but hoping on a better future for Eve when they get their act together and stop adding things instead of fixing what they already have. But I guess money from the console players is more important.
T "comrades in arms know the meaning of true friendship". |
Sannye
Caldari The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:08:00 -
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What are we complaining about, CCP gave us pretty planets and PI?
(wtb grid?)
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fatpants
Gallente They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:09:00 -
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5 more NC titans tackled!
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Retrovisor
Gallente Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:10:00 -
[18]
Yes Sannye, PI ftw
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Clintus McGintus
Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:12:00 -
[19]
Funny... You guys can shoot us somehow... But we cant even log in?? And when we do its to a fresh clone..... Hmmmmm ok ________________________________________________ May the Force be with you. |
Mang0o
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:13:00 -
[20]
Yea im trying to load my screen still too i want NC titan kills
I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris |
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Gallaumi
Gallente Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:14:00 -
[21]
Edited by: Gallaumi on 16/06/2010 20:14:24 Remember a system called H-W, and when you guys did the same thing to us, well payback sucks dont it? CEO Insurgency Syndicate |
Thunder1971
Caldari Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:16:00 -
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Nobody is doing this to anybody. It is simply a program faillure...this time we are on the recieving end. "comrades in arms know the meaning of true friendship". |
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:17:00 -
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Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact Us |
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Faekurias
Caldari Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Faekurias on 16/06/2010 20:19:48 TITAN IS DIE
:v
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Spehh
Gallente 2nd Blood Raven Assault Squad Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gallaumi Edited by: Gallaumi on 16/06/2010 20:14:24 Remember a system called H-W, and when you guys did the same thing to us, well payback sucks dont it?
in h-w you fail because your lead have stupid plan.Here ccp owning again everybody. But guys stop fighting and come to planetary interaction.
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Falkus Windowmaker
Minmatar Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Falkus Windowmaker on 16/06/2010 20:25:27 EVE is the only game I know where you have to have another game around to play due to the major core component of the game being FUBAR'd.
Time to play some global agenda while I wait for the grid to load.
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Drazi1
Minmatar The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Drazi1 on 16/06/2010 20:26:26
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
I not holding my breath, paying for stuff on which u can't play is not good :-(
Being stuck on a login screen for over an hour is really annoying
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fatpants
Gallente They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:25:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Spehh
Originally by: Gallaumi Edited by: Gallaumi on 16/06/2010 20:14:24 Remember a system called H-W, and when you guys did the same thing to us, well payback sucks dont it?
in h-w you fail because your lead have stupid plan.Here ccp owning again everybody. But guys stop fighting and come to planetary interaction.
So taking 800 ppl and trying to cram them into a system with 600 ppl is a good tactic given current server stability? I think you are silly.
By the way Lou that Nyx fit really?
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colera deldios
Gallente Entity. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:25:00 -
[29]
Edited by: colera deldios on 16/06/2010 20:25:51 Inb4 T3 Damage Control
Edit: Too late
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Ocularus Xenos
Gallente Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:25:00 -
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Hello, I'm CCP. I come after the issue and everything is lost, fix it for you once you no longer need it, and then won't admit your loss is a little lame and might be our fault.
Grats to all those reds who got on the mail. All titan kills are the same in the end, kinda lame but that's how it goes. I just hope the lag beast is at least fair and sinks some for you next time.
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AngryAndy
Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:28:00 -
[31]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
Is that soon as in like 10 mins or 6 months like we have been waiting so far?
PS : If this is a known issue are reimburments due seeing as you have admited that there is a problem...?
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Roemy Schneider
Minmatar Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:28:00 -
[32]
immensea - 2x 300 local - not responding but i can manage my planets - putting the gist back into logistics |
Mang0o
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:29:00 -
[33]
how many NC titans are dead now?
I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris |
Omeega
Amarr Lethal Corp RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:29:00 -
[34]
2
Don't speak english, f1,f2,f3... |
Tiger's Spirit
Caldari 24th Imperial Guard
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:29:00 -
[35]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
It's time to fix this unplayable laggy and bugcr*p, isn't ?
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Manfred Sideous
Amarr H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:29:00 -
[36]
659 mil isk default insurance on titan ______________________________
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Bitzan
Gallente The Maverick Navy IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:31:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Manfred Sideous 659 mil isk default insurance on titan
Thats like a carrier hull
Sweet ;)
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Callie Nefarious
Gallente NibbleTek RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:31:00 -
[38]
Epic. -----------------------------------------------
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gala gidas
Amarr Parental Control Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:31:00 -
[39]
Hey look at me ,i am the greatest PVPer of all times.Its CCP that ruins my rank and drops me down to 30000+... Oh dear,its always someones else's fault for me... Can i join NC now?BFF and stuff?
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FlameGlow
Caldari Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:32:00 -
[40]
damn, epic fight right in my home system and I'm far from home and can't get into eve
Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
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Tyler
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:32:00 -
[41]
Been jumping in for 45 mins, p gay ccp, p gay.
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Anadeh
Gallente IRpost
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:33:00 -
[42]
MOOOOOAR! MOOAR NC tears and whine about lags no loading and blahblah blah... It's SOOOOOOOO SWEEEEEEEETTTTT!
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Kalain ap'Sulen
Amarr Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow damn, epic fight right in my home system and I'm far from home and can't get into eve
Just pretend you are at home and can't get into Eve. Same experience. Quando ami flunkus morti. |
Leuthispar
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Leuthispar on 16/06/2010 20:39:03 LOL NC TEARS!!!!!!!!
NC mass petitioning their Titan looses right now, I mean its not fair when the NC are the ones gettin ffed by the lag amirite? CAOD A forum for threads with words like: deterministic alts, drama continuations, lagsploits generators, nodecrash extrapolation , killboard stat shader, forum ban distribution, etc. |
Traderjohn
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:38:00 -
[45]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
When will this matter be resolved of fixed.
Just to clarify, When a capital ship jumped out of a system 2 things happen 1) Fuel is used and 2) Capacitor is used to jump out. However a nice effect was created, They became like a cloaked effect but still visable. We jumped out of system 2 hours ago, Still unable to load. However if anyone relogs. They reappear in system again.
An aggro timer lasts 15 mins, So how is it, people logged out 2 hours ago, who wernt tackled, But yet they are still being killed as we speak.
I was also under the impression that the server capability had been supported and increased. To allow larger fights. This is what you are saying in your adverts, CCP wants large fleet fights, But your server are beyond belief terrible that you cant even support large fleet fights.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Minmatar H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Thunder1971 No they are not...stopping my accounts untill this is fixed...6 day's to go.
Regretfull...but hoping on a better future for Eve when they get their act together and stop adding things instead of fixing what they already have. But I guess money from the console players is more important.
T
Best post in this thread so far. Waiting for more like it.
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WhiteSnake
Amarr Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:39:00 -
[47]
NC tears, best tears.....
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Anita1
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:39:00 -
[48]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
you better should
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KraKaTinny
Minmatar Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:39:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Roemy Schneider immensea - 2x 300 local - not responding but i can manage my planets
Its all about priorities roemy...u kno this
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:41:00 -
[50]
raw raw raw raw, lots of angry people
Intressting only when you loose you complain about the lag, otherwise you rub it into the others face.
Lag, best invention CCP made to get people emo
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Super Twinkey69
Minmatar D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:41:00 -
[51]
ROFL ur **** tj lolol more nc tears i love them MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Miklas Laces
Gallente A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:42:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Traderjohn An aggro timer lasts 15 mins, So how is it, people logged out 2 hours ago, who wernt tackled, But yet they are still being killed as we speak.
Aye, it's unheard of ! ________________________________________________ CCP Claw > Sokata has been destroyed for boundary violation Drug Kito > Sokata you'll always be remembered as a noob in history of alliance tourname |
Mavrixx
Gallente H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:43:00 -
[53]
NC Tears, Best Tears.
Not that fun when the lag monster isn't on your side is it.
That's what you get for dropping titan fleets around and thinking your untouchable. |
Omeega
Amarr Lethal Corp RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:43:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Traderjohn
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
When will this matter be resolved of fixed.
Just to clarify, When a capital ship jumped out of a system 2 things happen 1) Fuel is used and 2) Capacitor is used to jump out. However a nice effect was created, They became like a cloaked effect but still visable. We jumped out of system 2 hours ago, Still unable to load. However if anyone relogs. They reappear in system again.
An aggro timer lasts 15 mins, So how is it, people logged out 2 hours ago, who wernt tackled, But yet they are still being killed as we speak.
I was also under the impression that the server capability had been supported and increased. To allow larger fights. This is what you are saying in your adverts, CCP wants large fleet fights, But your server are beyond belief terrible that you cant even support large fleet fights.
Asking your caps/supercaps to logoff with this kind of lag is not a smart thing to do. Thought you would have learned that from your outstanding victory in H-W.
Don't speak english, f1,f2,f3... |
Han Lector
Amarr Griefer-B-Gone Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:43:00 -
[55]
Posting in NC whine thread...
You should petition...and bubbles too.
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Traderjohn
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:43:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Traderjohn on 16/06/2010 20:44:24
Originally by: Super Twinkey69 ROFL ur **** tj lolol more nc tears i love them MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Whos crying?
I didnt lose anything, I would like to actually play a game, Remember, What people pay for?
Oh also, I never asked anyone to log off, "Socket Closed" Is a nice message 30 people got as we jumped out
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Dead Cal
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:44:00 -
[57]
This doesn't make any sense at all. I thought the new expansion addressed the lag situation?? So that puts the whole lag issue to bed. What else can be causing these issues? Perhaps this is what ACTUAL space warfare is like? That has to be it. User issue.
CCP hiring?
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arjun
Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:45:00 -
[58]
maybe time to quit fancy trips into the southeast?
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VileLust
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:46:00 -
[59]
Edited by: VileLust on 16/06/2010 20:49:50 Please don't let this stop your little invasion of the south. You cant epic fail like we did in H-W.
Even if you lost in 1 hour what the combined northern attack lost total.
edit - Russians win EVE.
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Super Twinkey69
Minmatar D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:46:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Traderjohn Edited by: Traderjohn on 16/06/2010 20:44:24
Originally by: Super Twinkey69 ROFL ur **** tj lolol more nc tears i love them MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Whos crying?
I didnt lose anything, I would like to actually play a game, Remember, What people pay for?
Oh also, I never asked anyone to log off, "Socket Closed" Is a nice message 30 people got as we jumped out
THATS IT TJ MOARRRRR lolololol quick file your petitions!
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Micha L
Gallente SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:48:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Traderjohn
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
When will this matter be resolved of fixed.
Just to clarify, When a capital ship jumped out of a system 2 things happen 1) Fuel is used and 2) Capacitor is used to jump out. However a nice effect was created, They became like a cloaked effect but still visable. We jumped out of system 2 hours ago, Still unable to load. However if anyone relogs. They reappear in system again.
An aggro timer lasts 15 mins, So how is it, people logged out 2 hours ago, who wernt tackled, But yet they are still being killed as we speak.
I was also under the impression that the server capability had been supported and increased. To allow larger fights. This is what you are saying in your adverts, CCP wants large fleet fights, But your server are beyond belief terrible that you cant even support large fleet fights.
Didnt this hapend in H-W? and then was ok becouse you was on wining side.
Fly safe make more lag and die in your own product.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:48:00 -
[62]
*gets some razors*
Come and cut yourself ladies, it works wounderfull.......
I thought everyone knew not to **** off the russians, they get so mad, that they own you all
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C4w3
Minmatar Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:49:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Super Twinkey69
Originally by: Traderjohn Edited by: Traderjohn on 16/06/2010 20:44:24
Originally by: Super Twinkey69 ROFL ur **** tj lolol more nc tears i love them MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Whos crying?
I didnt lose anything, I would like to actually play a game, Remember, What people pay for?
Oh also, I never asked anyone to log off, "Socket Closed" Is a nice message 30 people got as we jumped out
NC tears at night salty and tasty ..... love it.
THATS IT TJ MOARRRRR lolololol quick file your petitions!
ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Saehta
Caldari Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
Best post of the thread. "Things should get better soon." - Lag should get better after the system clears out.
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Dead Cal
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Traderjohn Edited by: Traderjohn on 16/06/2010 20:44:24
Originally by: Super Twinkey69 ROFL ur **** tj lolol more nc tears i love them MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Whos crying?
I am, but I'm cutting up some onions for some bruschetta.
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Lasakywa
Caldari Section XIII Cursed Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:51:00 -
[66]
How many dead supercaps now ?
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Callie Nefarious
Gallente NibbleTek RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:53:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Callie Nefarious on 16/06/2010 20:53:40 next time bring more titans on 200 ppl gang. Works good for russian killboards xD. -----------------------------------------------
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Orree
Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:54:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Manfred Sideous 659 mil isk default insurance on titan
*YIKES!* Really? Man...
/me rethinks quest for an Avatar...
---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Regis Nex
Caldari Pilipino Corp Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:56:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Regis Nex on 16/06/2010 20:57:26 Edited by: Regis Nex on 16/06/2010 20:56:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc&feature=related Live video?
Burn them all... <---russian guy in the end... Booboo Bear Pew Pew |
Micha L
Gallente SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:56:00 -
[70]
looks like ragnarok down
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Faekurias
Caldari Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:58:00 -
[71]
SQUAD BROKEN
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Murrior
Amarr Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:59:00 -
[72]
No it didn't.
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Super Twinkey69
Minmatar D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:01:00 -
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move over PL i think nc wants to hold the record for loseing most titans in fight-do they sitll have the mothership title?
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Micha L
Gallente SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Murrior Edited by: Murrior on 16/06/2010 20:59:45
Originally by: Micha L
Didnt this hapend in H-W? and then was ok becouse you was on wining side.
Fly safe make more lag and die in your own product.
No it didn't.
ah, ok its you guys its not ok, im sorry for you
avatar down
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Hei'di
Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:02:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Super Twinkey69 move over PL i think nc wants to hold the record for loseing most titans in fight-do they sitll have the mothership title?
sry twinkey...pl is currently bubblecamped on sisi.
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Garst Tyrell
Amarr No.Mercy Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:03:00 -
[76]
well thank god the nc are losing titans to entertain us while we sit blackscreened in a 700man local in immensea
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Bond69
Gallente Omega Engineering Inc. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:04:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Micha L
Originally by: Traderjohn
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
When will this matter be resolved of fixed.
Just to clarify, When a capital ship jumped out of a system 2 things happen 1) Fuel is used and 2) Capacitor is used to jump out. However a nice effect was created, They became like a cloaked effect but still visable. We jumped out of system 2 hours ago, Still unable to load. However if anyone relogs. They reappear in system again.
An aggro timer lasts 15 mins, So how is it, people logged out 2 hours ago, who wernt tackled, But yet they are still being killed as we speak.
I was also under the impression that the server capability had been supported and increased. To allow larger fights. This is what you are saying in your adverts, CCP wants large fleet fights, But your server are beyond belief terrible that you cant even support large fleet fights.
Didnt this hapend in H-W? and then was ok becouse you was on wining side.
Fly safe make more lag and die in your own product.
In h-w both sides were equally affected. Here titans are even dying after jumping out of system. Its more like what happened to PL. And thats just wrong regardless on what side you are. |
Phey Onat
Caldari Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:05:00 -
[78]
Quote: isnt this like h-w
The typical rule of thumb in 0.0 is that if you hotdropped an already loaded system (which can be something as little as 100 in local) you can expect to blackscreen. That a second hotdrop aftwards load system is bizarre and the first instance of such an event that I've heard of.
This isn't some titan being bumped out of a pos by a noob dreadnought.
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Inturist
Caldari FSB-ALFA RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:06:00 -
[79]
4-th nc titan in structure =] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:07:00 -
[80]
Ive challenged you all for some low 100 vs 100 and stuff like that, but no, you still need to bring the blobs, I hope this teach you a leasson to start bring less so the server holds.
Btw, We need more resets btw, lots off people down in Immensia aswell :S
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MissBolyai
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:07:00 -
[81]
Originally by: gala gidas Hey look at me ,i am the greatest PVPer of all times.Its CCP that ruins my rank and drops me down to 30000+... Oh dear,its always someones else's fault for me... Can i join NC now?BFF and stuff?
You are easily the most illiterate tool in eve. Cry more about never winning anything yourself. You got ***** spanked in h-w.
I hear you've got some CSAA's to worry about...
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LitleEvil
Caldari Sacred Temple White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:09:00 -
[82]
currently four titan killed
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sinfulangel
Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:10:00 -
[83]
Edited by: sinfulangel on 16/06/2010 21:10:58 Those tracking computers look expensive.
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TheGreatDoc
Minmatar Princeps Corp Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:11:00 -
[84]
Moar tears pls, MOAR TEARS!!!! Watching NC cry its very funny whiles blackscreened in Inmensea.
MOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
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Scapogo
Amarr Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:11:00 -
[85]
So what you killed few titans.
Will this kill NC? NO.
BFF
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Retrovisor
Gallente Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:12:00 -
[86]
BFF :)
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VileLust
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:12:00 -
[87]
Nothing will kill the NC :P
And nothing will kill a single major alliance in the south.
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:13:00 -
[88]
Erebus, Rag, and Avatar so far? Is White Noise going to hit for the first ever Titan Cycle??.... Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!! |
Faekurias
Caldari Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:14:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Faekurias on 16/06/2010 21:15:10 vsegda ruskie ITT
Originally by: Snot Shot Erebus, Rag, and Avatar so far? Is White Noise going to hit for the first ever Titan Cycle??....
No Lev on field afaik
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taylor04
Caldari The Wretched.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:14:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Scapogo So what you killed few titans.
Will this kill NC? NO.
BFF
more than few with 4 down 3 more tackled and u have lost atleast a couple of motherships.
music to my ears..
mwah xx
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BlueMajere
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:15:00 -
[91]
[21:12:22] Wrik Hoover > If anyone from Morsus Mihi posts ANYTHING related to 6NJ failure on any EVE related forums (including German/russian/whateva community) I will make sure he gets booted from RAWR. This ****up will be handled properly but dont provide tears for other fail
from MM alliance mail
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Sacred Klepton
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:16:00 -
[92]
As a h-w 'survivor' this comes from the heart...
LOL!!!
>Hugs< Sacred
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Kannix Bindoof
Minmatar Krupp-Stahl Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:16:00 -
[93]
You can destroy our ships, but not our friendship.
BFF!
NC forever!
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Dimple Knotwise
Minmatar War Tactical Groups White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:16:00 -
[94]
At least 4 NC titans down now. According to TS about 6 motherships died too.
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MissBolyai
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:17:00 -
[95]
TheAdj did it.
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hmmmmmmmm
Amarr Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:19:00 -
[96]
my grat ROL=nbr 1
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:20:00 -
[97]
[21:12:22] Wrik Hoover > If anyone from Morsus Mihi posts ANYTHING related to 6NJ failure on any EVE related forums (including German/russian/whateva community) I will make sure he gets booted from RAWR. This ****up will be handled properly
:))
--- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
Bedrock
Minmatar Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:22:00 -
[98]
pr0
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Anton Marx
Caldari Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:22:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Scapogo So what you killed few titans.
Will this kill NC? NO.
BFF
Quoted for epicness
BFF [center]DESTROYED
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Omeega
Amarr Lethal Corp RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:23:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Muad' Dib [21:12:22] Wrik Hoover > If anyone from Morsus Mihi posts ANYTHING related to 6NJ failure on any EVE related forums (including German/russian/whateva community) I will make sure he gets booted from RAWR. This ****up will be handled properly
:))
copy-pasted this in local, recieved this:
LiMu Bai > omeega i hope you die young lol
Don't speak english, f1,f2,f3... |
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Munch
Minmatar Nex Exercitus IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:24:00 -
[101]
NC complaining about lagg...classic. Glad someone finally butt sexed your titan fleet that you would so happily drop on anything and everything. Moar tears pls!
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Manfred Sideous
Amarr H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:24:00 -
[102]
LOKTA.ORG
IS GO!!!!! ______________________________
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danieljedi
Caldari Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:24:00 -
[103]
LOL's Good effort white noise r/o co2 good show.
You cannot die for the life of you. |
TheGreatDoc
Minmatar Princeps Corp Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:27:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Scapogo So what you killed few titans.
Will this kill NC? NO.
BFF
Damage Control III Online?
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MissBolyai
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:28:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Manfred Sideous LOKTA.ORG
IS GO!!!!!
You can... uh... change your sig now dude. They fixed it.
I guess you're just putting your time into constructive and insightful posts like that one.
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Comboduck
Minmatar Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:29:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Comboduck on 16/06/2010 21:29:14 Posting as a player who doesn't give a **** about who has the biggest epeen in 0.0, the lag stuff really is **** and it's hillarious how CCP lies about their game when advertising, has 1000 people battles ever been possible? in a enjoyable way? no
bull**** and bull**** and bull**** over and over again CCP, it's disappointing.
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Munch
Minmatar Nex Exercitus IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:31:00 -
[107]
^^ NC alt spotted ahaha
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PsyKzz
Minmatar Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:31:00 -
[108]
Edited by: PsyKzz on 16/06/2010 21:31:03
Originally by: Kannix Bindoof You can destroy our ships, but not our friendship.
BFF!
NC forever!
We Killed your ship, Your Friends ship and your mates ship. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.Applebabe |
Zeus Carver
Gallente GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:32:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Comboduck Edited by: Comboduck on 16/06/2010 21:29:14 Posting as a player who doesn't give a **** about who has the biggest epeen in 0.0, the lag stuff really is **** and it's hillarious how CCP lies about their game when advertising, has 1000 people battles ever been possible? in a enjoyable way? no
bull**** and bull**** and bull**** over and over again CCP, it's disappointing.
For about six months, 1,200 local fleet fights were possible. But CCP fixed it in a stealth nerf in Dominion.
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LitleEvil
Caldari Sacred Temple White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:32:00 -
[110]
5 titan down
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Omeega
Amarr Lethal Corp RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:33:00 -
[111]
Welcome to the north
Don't speak english, f1,f2,f3... |
MrEMan
Caldari Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:34:00 -
[112]
1 more for the record :D
when we fail we do it well 8)
whats with all the SC chestbeating last i checked it was WN/RA doing all the heavy lifting?
i vote we blame Tomcat for this, he likes a good spanking :)
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FawKa
Gallente x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:35:00 -
[113]
Thumps up WN!
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Squizz Caphinator
Caldari First Flying Wing Inc Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:36:00 -
[114]
Quote:
[21:12:22] Wrik Hoover > If anyone from Morsus Mihi posts ANYTHING related to 6NJ failure on any EVE related forums (including German/russian/whateva community) I will make sure he gets booted from RAWR. This ****up will be handled properly but dont provide tears for other fail
Good thing I'm not in RAWR --
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WarGod
Caldari Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:37:00 -
[115]
WTB RZR/NC TS recording. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Inquisitor Cerberuso
Amarr Hounds of Helll Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:38:00 -
[116]
LOL NC. You bring 5 titans and whine about lag. Srsly, what did you actually think would happen? Have you not learned from the many battles before. If you blob, you die.
AoE DD change, best change.
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Omeega
Amarr Lethal Corp RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:40:00 -
[117]
Sextus Licinius > is just priceless to lag yourself like a ****** and lose so many titans
yessir.
Don't speak english, f1,f2,f3... |
Karbowiak
Caldari Raata Invicti Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:40:00 -
[118]
/me looks at killboard
o****
/me pulls plug
MY POOR HAMSTERS!
Co-Owner and Creator of EVSCO |
Mang0o
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:41:00 -
[119]
still w8ting for my damn character selection to load
I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris |
Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:41:00 -
[120]
I saw this ****up coming when I saw the vid from Sala's perspective, when they hotdropped the Atlas-IT-Gang in Vale.
It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. I can understand the joy of the ex-SC-members when the NC gets their teeth kicked in, but I am not sure where this'll take us. The 20 Titans NC-Gang was clearly out of proportions as well as this mess.
I don't know where it'll take us but I am glad, that I opted out of this cluster****. Have fun guys.
P.S.: Is Sala actually down, too? This would make me sad, as her Rag was the first Titan I ever saw ingame, I think.
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Gicer
Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:41:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso LOL NC. You bring 5 titans and whine about lag. Srsly, what did you actually think would happen? Have you not learned from the many battles before. If you blob, you die.
AoE DD change, best change.
Trap relied on NC arrogance, they brought 5 Titans +SC's to fight a BS gang from Venal Residents to protect a POS.
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Anadeh
Gallente IRpost
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:42:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso LOL NC...
AoE DD change, best change.
Best change ever! Now we can blob systems with trash and be Best friends forever oh.. wait...
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awebon
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:46:00 -
[123]
so... Red.Overlord did more dmg in a single battle than IT and their pets during their campaign!
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Bedrock
Minmatar Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:46:00 -
[124]
WTB Burn Edens TS recording
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EvEhate2
Minmatar PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:47:00 -
[125]
Originally by: awebon so... Red.Overlord did more dmg in a single battle than IT and their pets during their campaign!
So was the Plan Signature contains inappropriate content. Removed. Applebabe |
hattifnatt
Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:49:00 -
[126]
I for one welcome our new red overlords.
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JS LiamElms
Gallente Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:49:00 -
[127]
-_-
awsome killing titans and all. but omg, you guys need to chill out...!! i really not sure who is raging more... but honestly sounds like a lot of very butt hurt people in a sever amount of relief they finally killed stuff.
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Amonse
Caldari Void Angels Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:49:00 -
[128]
Wow i dont log in for a few hours and all of this happens.
Go get em NC
BFF
Betrayal. Some say its right under certain circumstances. Others question if it is right at all. |
MadRus
Amarr Sacred Temple White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:51:00 -
[129]
Nice lags nice fight! :) More titan NC die. GJ and GF. Thanks friends for help! ROL, RA - ur best.
The pilot avatar, Amaria Mad. 0/ Fly Safe
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Wrik Hoover
Minmatar Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:55:00 -
[130]
Quote: Most of you already know that NC lost 10ish titans and still unknown amount of supercarriers and regular carriers. We are all aware of the unpredicted state of TQ, but we decided not to be hostages of tired CCP hamsters and Y2-ANOed our supercap fleet.
I am kindly asking all of you to close all petitions you have opened cause they are pointless.
I am also kindly asking all of you to stay away from all public forums (best would be that you dont read them at all for next couple of days) cause all failures we defeated in last 4 years how long RAWR/NC exists will crawl out of their ****holes and will spin and smack as its the judgement day.
We are continuing with regular ops as announced. If you are mad, and you proly are, express your MADNESS! and anger tomorrow on hostile ships. Its still not the moment to express our rage to CCP.
Chin up, welping supercap fleet on random op is far from worst what we can do.
If you need someone to yell at, or if you need someone to hug you, feel free to poke me ingame/on msn/ or on facebook.
RAWR
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EvEhate2
Minmatar PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:00:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Wrik Hoover
Quote: Most of you already know that NC lost 10ish titans and still unknown amount of supercarriers and regular carriers. We are all aware of the unpredicted state of TQ, but we decided not to be hostages of tired CCP hamsters and Y2-ANOed our supercap fleet.
I am kindly asking all of you to close all petitions you have opened cause they are pointless.
I am also kindly asking all of you to stay away from all public forums (best would be that you dont read them at all for next couple of days) cause all failures we defeated in last 4 years how long RAWR/NC exists will crawl out of their ****holes and will spin and smack as its the judgement day.
We are continuing with regular ops as announced. If you are mad, and you proly are, express your MADNESS! and anger tomorrow on hostile ships. Its still not the moment to express our rage to CCP.
Chin up, welping supercap fleet on random op is far from worst what we can do.
If you need someone to yell at, or if you need someone to hug you, feel free to poke me ingame/on msn/ or on facebook.
RAWR
Its all Wriks fault =) Signature contains inappropriate content. Removed. Applebabe |
Inturist
Caldari FSB-ALFA RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:01:00 -
[132]
6-th NC titan is down --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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MadRus
Amarr Sacred Temple White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:01:00 -
[133]
lol 1 more titan down NC, Avatar in 6NJ. Nice sounds in TS :D
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Inquisitor Cerberuso
Amarr Hounds of Helll Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:01:00 -
[134]
6th!
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Wrik Hoover
Minmatar Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:01:00 -
[135]
C :-(
Quote: Vuk Lau > close all petitions guys Vuk Lau > please close all petitiones Vuk Lau > they are pointless at this moment Graifazig > they won't do anything Vuk Lau > please do me a favor Vuk Lau > and close all petitiones Vuk Lau > and stay away from public forums Vuk Lau > thanx
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:04:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Wrik Hoover C :-(
Quote: Vuk Lau > close all petitions guys Vuk Lau > please close all petitiones Vuk Lau > they are pointless at this moment Graifazig > they won't do anything Vuk Lau > please do me a favor Vuk Lau > and close all petitiones Vuk Lau > and stay away from public forums Vuk Lau > thanx
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
this game never changes. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
Dyzzy Dyvyl
Gallente ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:05:00 -
[137]
BFF
ôWise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.ö |
Gorjer
Amarr Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:06:00 -
[138]
:en-see:
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Tester128
Caldari Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:07:00 -
[139]
Hello CCP Need for speed much?
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Anadeh
Gallente IRpost
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:09:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Tester128 Hello CCP Need for speed much?
Don't panic! Servers working fine.
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C4w3
Minmatar Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:10:00 -
[141]
I feel bad for kidrob .... but at the same time strokes my man thing seeing this was the best gift comming home ever. thank white noice and the russians as always bff ;=) Welcome to the north. ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Rikeka
Amarr H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:13:00 -
[142]
Originally by: WarGod WTB RZR/NC TS recording.
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Wrik Hoover
Minmatar Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:15:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Wrik Hoover on 16/06/2010 22:17:41 Who ever wants a ts record, give me 50m and you get a DL to the TS recording as soon as I finished uploading. Edit: Uploaded, WTS TS Record :)
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Bashiri
Caldari No.Mercy Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:15:00 -
[144]
So nc QQ about blobing then lagging them selfs out nice
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Lasakywa
Caldari Section XIII Cursed Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:17:00 -
[145]
It's like Y-2ANO all over again
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Sidzo
Minmatar SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:17:00 -
[146]
Btw..CO2 Avatar was tackled first by NC forces, he was primary target at last 15 min. He use DD to kill last tackler on him then warp off. Proof is on our kb kb. So point is ..yes was lagy in 6nj but still playable.
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Omeega
Amarr Lethal Corp RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:18:00 -
[147]
White Noise/C02/Red Alliance did heavy lifting.
Red Overlord/Ev0ke were here with 200 bs/drakes to add some psychological pressure on the hamsters.
Don't speak english, f1,f2,f3... |
Sextus Licinius
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:19:00 -
[148]
H-W supercap turkeyshot now looks like a nub t1 cruiser fleetfight compared to this.
bff
"These people that we've wasted today are the finest human beings ever. When we'll rotate back in the world, we gonna miss not having anyone worth shooting...
Full Metal Jacket" |
Kalissa
Caldari Sacred Templars Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:21:00 -
[149]
The winners of a fight rarely care about lag, it's the losers of the fight who whine about it. In my time I've seen the NC win a lot of fights, and though they may acknowledge the lag when they win, they only really complain about when they lose, which I may add makes it all the sweeter for everyone else. (Thanks for that TraderJohn)
The NC should have known that throwing around supercap fleets around when it wasnt really necessary was always gonna end up with them being thrown onto the bed and forced to bite down on the pillow.
I shall sleep soundly tonight knowing the NC just had their backsides torn apart.
Nice going CO2/WN |
Seleene
Minmatar Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:22:00 -
[150]
I lost a titan once. ---- CEO - BDCI "AAA is a collection of fail leftovers from cascaded alliances such as RISE, IAC, MC and ASCN." - Anton Marx |
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EvEhate2
Minmatar PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:22:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Wrik Hoover Edited by: Wrik Hoover on 16/06/2010 22:17:41 Who ever wants a ts record, give me 50m and you get a DL to the TS recording as soon as I finished uploading. Edit: Uploaded, WTS TS Record :)
Her damit Wrik =) Signature contains inappropriate content. Removed. Applebabe |
Methusela
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:24:00 -
[152]
Poasting in legendary thread moar tears plz .meth.
Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Sig file too big. Mail [email protected] for more info - Cathath |
Lasakywa
Caldari Section XIII Cursed Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:25:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Seleene I lost a titan once.
To a dd proof AAA flycatcher. 'was a nice trick
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Ammath
Amarr Burning Technologies Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:25:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Ammath on 16/06/2010 22:25:44 From those who suffered the H-W NC Lag Blobs and losses.. one giant middle finger to you the NC for thinking that was funny... and high-fives for WN,RA & friends for repaying the NC.
Karma is a bytch
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Avitar
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:26:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Gicer
Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso LOL NC. You bring 5 titans and whine about lag. Srsly, what did you actually think would happen? Have you not learned from the many battles before. If you blob, you die.
AoE DD change, best change.
Trap relied on NC arrogance, they brought 5 Titans +SC's to fight a BS gang from Venal Residents to protect a POS.
well said
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Cur
Minmatar Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:28:00 -
[156]
Blobbing lag karma finally caught up to them.
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James Damar
Caldari NibbleTek RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:33:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Seleene I lost a titan once.
Me too :'( Damn return policy's on corp titans :( |
Seleene
Minmatar Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:35:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Lasakywa
Originally by: Seleene I lost a titan once.
To a dd proof AAA flycatcher. 'was a nice trick
Yeah, back in the day we lost titans one at a time to awesome ideas / traps. This **** is... hell, I don't even... ---- CEO - BDCI "AAA is a collection of fail leftovers from cascaded alliances such as RISE, IAC, MC and ASCN." - Anton Marx |
Pervigilo Alea
Gallente Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:38:00 -
[159]
This whole thing is oddly similar to Y-2ANO mess.
CCP, hurry up with your server upgrades so we can actually have some pew pew fun.
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Inquisitor Cerberuso
Amarr Hounds of Helll Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:42:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Methusela Poasting in legendary thread moar tears plz .meth.
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Rewt ed
Caldari Singularity. Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:45:00 -
[161]
BEST FRIENDS FOREVER!!!! BFFs man.
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Wicked Princess
Gallente D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:45:00 -
[162]
NC tears best tears, c/d? :)
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:51:00 -
[163]
This fight is dedicated to all the peeps in Atlas, AAA, IT, COW, INIT etc that lost their sheeps in H-W without shooting a single bullet. Thou art avenged!
NC you ma...ma...make us, ha..ha..happy!
"These people that we've wasted today are the finest human beings ever. When we'll rotate back in the world, we gonna miss not having anyone worth shooting...
Full Metal Jacket" |
Mr Rive
Gallente Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:53:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Inquisitor Cerberuso
Originally by: Methusela Poasting in legendary thread moar tears plz .meth.
that avatar in the bottom left near the heart is all like shoop shoop
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:53:00 -
[165]
Lag problem gets fixed 23rd June not 16th, trust NC for not being able to read -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!! |
Bernadictus
Caldari Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 22:56:00 -
[166]
6n, is your h-w. Karma is a *****.
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Fighter26
Amarr Metanoia. Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:01:00 -
[167]
Bout damn time, NICE JOB CO2/WN/RA! Someones not moving south for awhile now
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Leuthispar
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:03:00 -
[168]
Edited by: Leuthispar on 16/06/2010 23:04:23 That's basically the NC default tactic for large battles(60+:
Jump in 10+ titans and bridge in everyone they can from Tribute, even if they are winning the fight they constantly keep jumping/bridging caps in. 99% of the time it works for them even though half their orignal fleet dies the fact that they have 10+ titans one shotting ships and keep bridging ppl in means they eventually outnumber enemy 3-4:1.
Even with even numbers the ability to 1 shot about 10 logistics/key ships at once is a huge tide turner. And if we somehow begin to win and is looking like their titans might be in trouble they just jump in about 50 carriers and 200 more ppl in new ships.
So hilarious to see the NC tears, the 1% where lag doesnt favor the NC. Well worth it CAOD A forum for threads with words like: deterministic alts, drama continuations, lagsploits generators, nodecrash extrapolation , killboard stat shader, forum ban distribution, etc. |
Manfred Sideous
Amarr H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:05:00 -
[169]
To NC folks,
Its a bit **** that this is where the game is. I wish you all well and hope you recover from these losses. However , White Noise , Red Overlord , Circle Of Two , Red Alliance all deserve mad props for springing a good trap.
I know we can all ROFL at enemies losing **** to black screens. Because people in the NC did it to us just a month ago. But it makes for a pretty **** poor gaming environment. For that its gay and I can sympathize with NC on being ****ed. Its a monumental loss and your foes deserve all credit for springing a good trap on you. With that said o/ NC. ______________________________
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Terribad
Gallente GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:05:00 -
[170]
ahahahah this game is such a joke.
at least we can explore planets! -------------------------------------------------- hi there |
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LTD THOR
Caldari Liga Freier Terraner Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:08:00 -
[171]
Edited by: LTD THOR on 16/06/2010 23:09:51 MMmmmh.. Tears!
*edit:
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Seleene
Minmatar Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:09:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Manfred Sideous I am a beautiful snowflake.
>3 Manny.
---- CEO - BDCI "AAA is a collection of fail leftovers from cascaded alliances such as RISE, IAC, MC and ASCN." - Anton Marx |
Stygian Knight
Minmatar Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:12:00 -
[173]
I almost can use 6th planet, nano-factory is a good investment especially if used with advanced...
Wait... wrong forum... i thought this is settlers game...
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Viper ShizzIe
Caldari Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:17:00 -
[174]
NOT THE WORST ANYMORE B))
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TheGreatDoc
Minmatar Princeps Corp Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:17:00 -
[175]
dont know why so many tears, actually the logs show nothing...
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Blind Evy
Caldari Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:20:00 -
[176]
Yeap, such tings happen, when you get too overconfident :) I really hope NC keeps this moment in memories forever!
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:20:00 -
[177]
time for some chat logs and ts recording (in english too) -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!! |
Rukaz
Minmatar NibbleTek RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:28:00 -
[178]
My titan popped BS is now avenged!
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Blackhorizon
Caldari Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:35:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe NOT THE WORST ANYMORE B))
Nah, we'll always be the worst.
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:37:00 -
[180]
So how many SCAAs will NC need to kill now to make this road trip worth it?..
Is Venal even considered getting out of the driveway?... . Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!! |
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LTD THOR
Caldari Liga Freier Terraner Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:40:00 -
[181]
Quote: [21:18:00]~someone dude~> [21:12:22] Wrik Hoover > If anyone from Morsus Mihi posts ANYTHING related to 6NJ failure on any EVE related forums (including German/russian/whateva community) I will make sure he gets booted from RAWR. This ****up will be handled properly but dont.
later:
Originally by: "RAWR Vuk Lau" Props to WN/Rol/Co2 for the kills. Lagged or not lagged they killed 10ish of our titans, and we cant take that from them.
You win some, you lose some.
KICK HIM! NOW!!
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Solid Star
Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:42:00 -
[182]
Wow. Always love to see David beat Goliath.
Fantastic job to White Noise, Red Overlord ,Circle Of Two, and Red Alliance.
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TNT009
Gallente Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:46:00 -
[183]
Originally by: MissBolyai
Originally by: gala gidas
:words:
You are easily the most illiterate tool in eve. Cry more about never winning anything yourself. You got ***** spanked in h-w.
I hear you've got some CSAA's to worry about...
I support this message
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Tiberizzle
Caldari Tactical Trading Partnership
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:47:00 -
[184]
Quote: [21:12:22] Wrik Hoover > If anyone from Morsus Mihi posts ANYTHING related to 6NJ failure on any EVE related forums (including German/russian/whateva community) I will make sure he gets booted from RAWR. This ****up will be handled properly
confirming that official tears are the best tears
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ChalSto
Gallente LOCKDOWN. C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:49:00 -
[185]
mimimi NC
Originally by: Agmar ----------------------------------------------- "The North is so ghey that even the NPCs fly ravens." |
underwoodr
Caldari Burning Technologies Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:52:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius This fight is dedicated to all the peeps in Atlas, AAA, IT, COW, INIT etc that lost their sheeps in H-W without shooting a single bullet. Thou art avenged!
NC you ma...ma...make us, ha..ha..happy!
much love<3
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Rubber Biscuit
Caldari Nitro Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:55:00 -
[187]
Moar NC tears please. Can't get enough
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Cyrus Doul
Caldari Cosmic Vacum Cleaners Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:58:00 -
[188]
I have six up to date on the thread. please tell me theres magically seven dead and the seventh is the Levi that was there. would be epic.
also, Lol at dd proof dictor, i remember that story. the little dictor that could (see the grid)
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killerkeano
Gallente DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:01:00 -
[189]
I remeber the NC not complaining when Atlas and IT attacked them experienced lag, lost a titan and numnerous ships, c'est la vie
what comes around goes around.
karma is a sweet thing
Maelstrom Crew - Pro merc corp for hire "Let US fight your battles" |
Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:04:00 -
[190]
At work crew checking in. Great job guys.
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raknor bile
Gallente C.R.M Productions BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:04:00 -
[191]
Originally by: killerkeano I remeber the NC not complaining when Atlas and IT attacked them experienced lag, lost a titan and numnerous ships, c'est la vie
what comes around goes around.
karma is a sweet thing
I dont remember IT saying the 4 PL titans they killed were cheap kills because of lag?
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Ocih
Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:09:00 -
[192]
Gratz on a well timed fight.
TY CCP. Another fine slide show battle from the spreadsheet specialists. |
dastommy79
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:13:00 -
[193]
As a pilot that lost a moros in H-W, I have this to say...
LOLOLLOLLOLOLOL
EAT MY SHORTS FRED0!
Seriously never underestimate your opponent cause it will come back to bite you in the ass like tonight. GJ WN,ROL,RA and all you other sexy peeps.
I role play ewok
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killerkeano
Gallente DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:13:00 -
[194]
if this kb is correct NC got what they deserved
BATTLE KB
Maelstrom Crew - Pro merc corp for hire "Let US fight your battles" |
Lilly Tigress
Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:15:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Lilly Tigress on 17/06/2010 00:15:55 i still remember the nc bragging about their awesome pvp skills in h-w where we lost 5 supercaps to same conditions, too bad that now they got their inside out handed to em in form of 6 titans, karma is a b***
edit: hi kidrob, glad you lost that one, you didnt piloted itwell anyways, best regards ^^
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Hannibell
Amarr Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:15:00 -
[196]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
"Soon TM"
Why dont you just admit you've failed and replace all the ships lost HOURS AFTER theyve logged off???
oh yea.. "our logs show nothing"
Hope the Icelandic Fire Department has the same sense of integrity and work ethic when the next volcanic chunk lands on your roof...
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Scheulagh Santorine
Gallente Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:17:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Hannibell
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
"Soon TM"
Why dont you just admit you've failed and replace all the ships lost HOURS AFTER theyve logged off???
oh yea.. "our logs show nothing"
Hope the Icelandic Fire Department has the same sense of integrity and work ethic when the next volcanic chunk lands on your roof...
aren't you supposed to be role-playing or something?
:magic-missile:
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Lilly Tigress
Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:20:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Scheulagh Santorine
Originally by: Hannibell
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
"Soon TM"
Why dont you just admit you've failed and replace all the ships lost HOURS AFTER theyve logged off???
oh yea.. "our logs show nothing"
Hope the Icelandic Fire Department has the same sense of integrity and work ethic when the next volcanic chunk lands on your roof...
aren't you supposed to be role-playing or something?
:magic-missile:
i think hes still mad he has no home anymore to roleplay in
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:21:00 -
[199]
Chin up, welping supercap fleet on random op is far from worst what we can do.
Translate: NC philosophy - We lost 6 titans, 3 moms(and god knows how much more random ****zle), but don't worry, we haven't yet hit the rock-bottom.
Props CO2/WN and the rest. Sidzo, keep poking them rebellions, maybe they bring their titan out of that POS in 6NJ one day :D
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Tiberizzle
Caldari Tactical Trading Partnership
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:21:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Scheulagh Santorine aren't you supposed to be role-playing or something?
:magic-missile:
aren't you supposed to be role-playing or something?
:heavy-missile:
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Micha L
Gallente SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:33:00 -
[201]
people people people!!!!!!!!!!
Do you hear a familiar song?
"never gona give you up, never gona let you down..............."
ah, nvm its my stomach.
Off to bed, thx for show
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Hannibell
Amarr Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:35:00 -
[202]
/me doesn't role play, and never role played.
I'm an alcoholic, laughing at all you fools who continue to give CCP your money to take it in the ass while staring at a black screen..
/me pours whisky, eats popcorn and laughs some more...
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:39:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Hannibell /me doesn't role play, and never role played.
I'm an alcoholic, laughing at all you fools who continue to give CCP your money to take it in the ass while staring at a black screen..
/me pours whisky, eats popcorn and laughs some more...
Whiskey + popcorn...stylish... [:vomit:] /Me passes Hannibell some chewing gums to go with champagne...
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Hannibell
Amarr Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:44:00 -
[204]
you drink that frenchy ****? eww...
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Nynjato
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:51:00 -
[205]
ITT: Trolls trolling trolls, trolling CCP
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Kishin Sendo
Minmatar Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:09:00 -
[206]
Any chance you guys can kill that NC Leviathan? that would make a great rainbow titan record
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Sessuale
Caldari ROMANIA Renegades Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:10:00 -
[207]
You played super well done
-White Noise -Red Overlord -Circle Of Two -Red Alliance.
and who else was there
kill u :D |
Ed Rush
Gallente Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:13:00 -
[208]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
this is genuinely amusing
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Leitz Black
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:16:00 -
[209]
oh ... my ... god ... this is too EPIC! GJ WN,RA,ROL,C02,Ev0ke and co.
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Kainos Kerensky
Caldari Shadows Of The Requiem Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:25:00 -
[210]
haha... glorious. Om nom nom NC tears best tears
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Sith Bandon
Caldari 19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:35:00 -
[211]
Oook!
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Pradege D'Hallur
Caldari The Money Makers
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:36:00 -
[212]
F@ck i am lost, thought this was another NC chest beating thread. Karma is a ***** though. By the way it is currently 0436 in Baghdad thank you for these forums tears NC, they sustain me while i play in the sandbox that is Iraq.
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FlameGlow
Caldari Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:43:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Ed Rush
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
this is genuinely amusing
Node didn't crash, so the server works fine, my bet is that logs show nothing and even if they do show something the losses won't be reimbursed It's kinda sad even 1100 in boosted system cause this sort of crap, in apocrypha even with 1400 in local it was ok-ish, grids loaded, navigation worked, modules did get stuck but nothing compared with what happens now. Roll back dominion tyrannis too, only leave the new scorp
Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
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Nick Curso
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:46:00 -
[214]
o/ prad take care out there again u nugget Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Lord Arbalest
Amarr Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:52:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 17/06/2010 01:52:30
Don't worry guys. We can play Sim City. CCP are going places.
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Vince Draken
Amarr D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:53:00 -
[216]
TJ - Your wasting your time mate, just emo rage quit TS about it.
Why is it always u moaning about lag when it doesnt work in your favour? You throw titans about and it was an accident waiting to happen GG mate see you next time...
Oh and nice station for "Purging PB" there in UMI means i dont have to travel so far to kill your members
Thx
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Major PewPew
Gallente Instant Annihilation Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2010.06.17 02:11:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Lord Arbalest Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 17/06/2010 01:52:30
Don't worry guys. We can play Sim City. CCP are going places.
hahahaha umad... |
Loike
Caldari The Wretched.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 02:54:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Vince Draken TJ - Your wasting your time mate, just emo rage quit TS about it.
Why is it always u moaning about lag when it doesnt work in your favour? You throw titans about and it was an accident waiting to happen GG mate see you next time...
Oh and nice station for "Purging PB" there in UMI means i dont have to travel so far to kill your members
Thx
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 02:57:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Vince Draken TJ - Your wasting your time mate, just emo rage quit TS about it.
Why is it always u moaning about lag when it doesnt work in your favour? You throw titans about and it was an accident waiting to happen GG mate see you next time...
Oh and nice station for "Purging PB" there in UMI means i dont have to travel so far to kill your members
Thx
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
CORA TRAITOR! . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
Loike
Caldari The Wretched.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 03:04:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Vince Draken TJ - Your wasting your time mate, just emo rage quit TS about it.
Why is it always u moaning about lag when it doesnt work in your favour? You throw titans about and it was an accident waiting to happen GG mate see you next time...
Oh and nice station for "Purging PB" there in UMI means i dont have to travel so far to kill your members
Thx
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
CORA TRAITOR!
cora for lyf <3
dunno how that makes me a traitor tho
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Vince Draken
Amarr D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 03:12:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Vince Draken TJ - Your wasting your time mate, just emo rage quit TS about it.
Why is it always u moaning about lag when it doesnt work in your favour? You throw titans about and it was an accident waiting to happen GG mate see you next time...
Oh and nice station for "Purging PB" there in UMI means i dont have to travel so far to kill your members
Thx
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
CORA TRAITOR!
cora for lyf <3
dunno how that makes me a traitor tho
Not Responsible but a part of :-D
Bitter Much <3
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Ziley
Amarr Dodees Corp Green Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 03:13:00 -
[222]
Why no NC poastin!?!????
We will never have this type of NC hush hush ever again
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SKankella
Minmatar D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 03:26:00 -
[223]
Welcome to the north!
BFF<3
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Cyzlaki
Amarr Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:30:00 -
[224]
AU TZ checking in
i lol'd, then facepalmed, then lol'd some more. amusing stuff and no mistake!
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Wrik Hoover
Minmatar Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:31:00 -
[225]
Quote: Vuk Lau: Thread cleaned of political stuff. Kythren avatar is removed. Stay on topic or your posting rights will be revoked. TIA
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C4w3
Minmatar Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:49:00 -
[226]
Wakeing up 2 this and seeing it¦s not a dream is priceless.
ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Jommis
Caldari Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:52:00 -
[227]
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:55:00 -
[228]
Originally by: dastommy79 EAT MY SHORTS FRED0!
We lost a fight. We lost more titans than anyone ever has before in a fight. All we can do is tip our hat at our opponents and work harder to make sure it doesn't happen again. GJ WN and co.
That you went home to the south after one much smaller loss dastommy. That's the difference between your fair weather alliances and the NC. And to the rest of the gloaters (not WN and co, they deserve to gloat right now. :)), have your time now and use it well. You'll probably be back on your knees in no time. :D --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:56:00 -
[229]
Do you think this will herald a new change in both the NC and SC camps where they weigh up the risk/reward thing and only commit a few hundred billion worth of assets into defending a single R64?
[A: No, not really.]
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Stalina
Gallente Serious Business Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:57:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Fred0
That you went home to the south after one much smaller loss dastommy. That's the difference between your fair weather alliances and the NC.
'Cause you lose your stuff at home? ________________________________________
________________________________________ http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
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Nambr1
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:05:00 -
[231]
@NC U were born in lag, u r living in lag and ur future is lag. All I sow fighting with u and vs u was blob and lag. Remember (some of u ofc because 70% didnt play or fight then) when BOB blobbed 2 years ago? Blob, lag ... From then u r doing same, and what was bad then, now is good (because u r actors). And still is ok when u cant login to fight and ur side win. U killed BE camp same way, nightmares and tengus when they gone to desktop and couldnt login, but then u didnt cry, it was good fight :D So stop crying, say good fight to ppl who killed urs 1.7 trillion worth ships, and mine ur moons for next titans because its only thing u can do in this game.
@CO2,WN,RED and rest Gr8 work, keep rolling :D
@CCP If u couldn't make game playable for 7 years, its stupid to wait for next 7 to 'fix lag'. Comments like this:
Quote: CCP Zymurgist ... Hi guys, we are aware of the issues and are looking into it. Hold on tight should get better soon.
, are dejavu after dejavu after dejavu and they will never be fixed. So its easy to 'fix'. Remove moons from eve, they r making game bad, making massive isk while playing excel games for more and more titans, and ppl who .... lets not talk bout that :D, but we all know what I tried to say wit 4 dots.
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Evil Thug
Minmatar Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:10:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Blackhorizon
Originally by: Viper ****zIe NOT THE WORST ANYMORE B))
Nah, we'll always be the worst.
Being worst isnt ACCEPTABLE !
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baltec1
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:31:00 -
[233]
Welcome to venal.
Now get out.
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Manfred Sideous
Amarr H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:31:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: dastommy79 EAT MY SHORTS FRED0!
We lost a fight. We lost more titans than anyone ever has before in a fight. All we can do is tip our hat at our opponents and work harder to make sure it doesn't happen again. GJ WN and co.
Classy Fred0 o/ ______________________________
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LoveKebab
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:48:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Loike
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
CORA TRAITOR!
cora for lyf <3
dunno how that makes me a traitor tho
Not Responsible but a part of :-D
Bitter Much <3
d00m / NC titan kills = KIA / TRI titan kill ? :D hai vince! :) <3 xVid4PSP MKV Encoding Tutorial |
taylor04
Caldari The Wretched.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:51:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: dastommy79 EAT MY SHORTS FRED0!
We lost a fight. We lost more titans than anyone ever has before in a fight. All we can do is tip our hat at our opponents and work harder to make sure it doesn't happen again. GJ WN and co.
That you went home to the south after one much smaller loss dastommy. That's the difference between your fair weather alliances and the NC. And to the rest of the gloaters (not WN and co, they deserve to gloat right now. :)), have your time now and use it well. You'll probably be back on your knees in no time. :D
tbh WN and co. have never been on there knee's to the NC and unless they do a tri and implode(more than once) the NC can only keep them at bay fo so long.
o7
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Feanor Flame
Gallente Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:11:00 -
[237]
aaaaaahahahahahaha
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Corbeau Lenoir
Caldari ZER0. IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:24:00 -
[238]
Welcome to the north, NC! GJ WN/ROL/CO2/RA!
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Ath'daru
Minmatar Jazz Associates Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:30:00 -
[239]
First I go to sleep, then I wake up... and now this?!? ------------------- \(^~^)/ I AM DIE!! ------------------- |
Bernadictus
Caldari Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:46:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Ath'daru First I go to sleep, then I wake up... and now this?!?
Yes, when the kids go to bed, the parents come out to seks. Seems this seks was full of std's and spaceaids and not on friendly terms, so more a raep.
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Louis Trenker
Gallente POOPOOHEAD PATROL Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:58:00 -
[241]
♥ BFF
I like where this thread is going.
Btw WTB Imperian T2 Damage Control poast
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:20:00 -
[242]
Edited by: Sextus Licinius on 17/06/2010 10:21:08
Originally by: Loike
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
lol Loike you're even stupider than you look, how can 15 men from D00M claim responsability for winning a fight with 1000+ people in local on both sides?
Darknesss, Sacul etc please pod this tard for me will ya and after that kick him from corp.
"These people that we've wasted today are the finest human beings ever. When we'll rotate back in the world, we gonna miss not having anyone worth shooting...
Full Metal Jacket" |
Manfred Sideous
Amarr H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:31:00 -
[243]
Don't be hard on Loike. He has a habit of leaving corps/alliances on his own and then preceeding to be bitter towards the corp/alliance he was part of. Teenagers those hormones I tell ya sheesh.
♥ ya Loike ______________________________
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LoveKebab
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:32:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius Edited by: Sextus Licinius on 17/06/2010 10:21:08
Originally by: Loike
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
lol Loike you're even stupider than you look, how can 15 men from D00M claim responsability for winning a fight with 1000+ people in local on both sides?
Darknesss, Sacul etc please pod this tard for me will ya and after that kick him from corp.
ouch, harsh :( xVid4PSP MKV Encoding Tutorial |
Cippalippus Hypocriticus
Caldari NoobFleet G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:32:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Vince Draken TJ - Your wasting your time mate, just emo rage quit TS about it.
Why is it always u moaning about lag when it doesnt work in your favour? You throw titans about and it was an accident waiting to happen GG mate see you next time...
Oh and nice station for "Purging PB" there in UMI means i dont have to travel so far to kill your members
Thx
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
cora for lyf <3
dunno how that makes me a traitor tho
Not Responsible but a part of :-D
Bitter Much <3
Why don't you lie where TRI dreads went? Oh wait you did.
P.S.Loike and Umbo are and will always will be better then you ***got!
The Wretched. >>> DOOM. any time,any place...
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Cippalippus Hypocriticus
Caldari NoobFleet G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:35:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius Edited by: Sextus Licinius on 17/06/2010 10:21:08
Originally by: Loike
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
lol Loike you're even stupider than you look, how can 15 men from D00M claim responsability for winning a fight with 1000+ people in local on both sides?
Darknesss, Sacul etc please pod this tard for me will ya and after that kick him from corp.
Hey my Gypsy friend.Don't make me log in and whoop yore ass few times for talking in that way and kissing ***got balls.
Doom is ****!
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Loike
Caldari The Wretched.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:42:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius Edited by: Sextus Licinius on 17/06/2010 10:21:08
Originally by: Loike
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
lol Loike you're even stupider than you look, how can 15 men from D00M claim responsability for winning a fight with 1000+ people in local on both sides?
Darknesss, Sacul etc please pod this tard for me will ya and after that kick him from corp.
Do I even know you? Never heard of you before, I'm sure you're in a good position to judge me Although looking at your post history you sure know something about what stupid is. And I'm so bitter that I didn't even have a chain lovemail spam with vince last night (<3 you babe).
I'm annoyed how D00M played a part in RSN's demise, but I wouldn't go as far as being bitter towards the guys I've been flying with for the past 2.5years, you know...it's a game and all. BFF
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Cippalippus Hypocriticus
Caldari NoobFleet G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:43:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Loike
Originally by: Sextus Licinius Edited by: Sextus Licinius on 17/06/2010 10:21:08
Originally by: Loike
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
lol Loike you're even stupider than you look, how can 15 men from D00M claim responsability for winning a fight with 1000+ people in local on both sides?
Darknesss, Sacul etc please pod this tard for me will ya and after that kick him from corp.
Do I even know you? Never heard of you before, I'm sure you're in a good position to judge me Although looking at your post history you sure know something about what stupid is. And I'm so bitter that I didn't even have a chain lovemail spam with vince last night (<3 you babe).
I'm annoyed how D00M played a part in RSN's demise, but I wouldn't go as far as being bitter towards the guys I've been flying with for the past 2.5years, you know...it's a game and all. BFF
No no no.Vince is ***got.Don't change youre story now.
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boo3916
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 10:59:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius Edited by: Sextus Licinius on 17/06/2010 10:21:08
Originally by: Loike
it's ok, I'm sure D00M will claim that they were responsible for all these kills ~
lol Loike you're even stupider than you look, how can 15 men from D00M claim responsability for winning a fight with 1000+ people in local on both sides?
Darknesss, Sacul etc please pod this tard for me will ya and after that kick him from corp.
this, stop being a bitter ****** or go join nc
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Ceyna Lakise
Gallente Spartan Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:08:00 -
[250]
0.0 makes people go super emo.
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boo3916
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:08:00 -
[251]
Why don't you lie where TRI dreads went? Oh wait you did.
P.S.Loike and Umbo are and will always will be better then you ***got!
The Wretched. >>> DOOM. any time,any place...
dont slag off my beloved doom u ******, as far as i,m concerned no diff between doom and the wretched, except size, all my x doom brothers who i miss are in the wretched which is a good corp apart from an idiot or 2 o/ umbo, tert and dean fly safe boo
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GIVE me
Gallente Genuine of Hopefulness
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:13:00 -
[252]
Gratz to C02 for Titans kills in 6nj !
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Wrik Hoover
Minmatar Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:14:00 -
[253]
Quote: Starting from Thursday your home for next 2 weeks will be UMI-KK. We will have ops around the clock, so make sure you have enough ships and your medical clone in UMI station. As system will not be jammed, except hotdrops all the time. If you are cynoing alone, dont do it blindly like an idiot, but ask for info and cyno on station. Gallente outpost has huge docking range so use it wisely. We will use everything we got so move supers and caps to UMI as well. If you are bored, sit in cloaky and kill hostile bombers (there will be plenty of them).
Quote: Even though after the 6NJ losses of last night we've decided to continue with the actual plan and start the hellpurge tonight. Caps and support fleets will be forming 17:00EVE.
Quote: well tbh, we were ****ing around with titans too much, this was bound to happen sooner or later, lag or no lag
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dastommy79
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:38:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: dastommy79 EAT MY SHORTS FRED0!
That you went home to the south after one much smaller loss dastommy. That's the difference between your fair weather alliances and the NC. And to the rest of the gloaters (not WN and co, they deserve to gloat right now. :)), have your time now and use it well. You'll probably be back on your knees in no time. :D
Is this a threat? I'm pretty sure all of Atlas would love to chain your supercaps if you invaded our space
Our last showing up North was poor, I will admit that but that doesnt change the fact that Geminite is no longer in NC hands. Also the only time Atlas pilots get on their knees is when bobby needs to be pleased.
I role play ewok
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:41:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: dastommy79 EAT MY SHORTS FRED0!
We lost a fight. We lost more titans than anyone ever has before in a fight. All we can do is tip our hat at our opponents and work harder to make sure it doesn't happen again. GJ WN and co.
That you went home to the south after one much smaller loss dastommy. That's the difference between your fair weather alliances and the NC. And to the rest of the gloaters (not WN and co, they deserve to gloat right now. :)), have your time now and use it well. You'll probably be back on your knees in no time. :D
They came to you and you threw every industry, every shuttle and every cyno alt into those systems to lag it out, using lag in your favour to win. Now it has come back to bite you and your members won't even listen to you to stop petitions and *****ing; even worse, you lost to an alliance you told your members was dead - evicted from NC and space, and to an alliance that farms guristas missions in npc space. NJ --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
soulkiller3
Minmatar NibbleTek RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:53:00 -
[256]
Boo i wont wast my time with him, man so much bitterness. Am a sad panda i was working for this op, but well played to the people who made this happen |
Anikadir
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:53:00 -
[257]
Karmic emo raging tears seem to be sweeter than normal emo rage tears
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Heck pod everyone you pirates, Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Zuquar Bonaparte
Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.17 11:54:00 -
[258]
Edited by: Zuquar Bonaparte on 17/06/2010 11:54:01 there is only 1 thing that needs to be said about this to NC and that is: IN YOUR FACE
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
Wrik Hoover
Minmatar Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:41:00 -
[259]
TS Record allready sold 5 Times, if you want to hear it send 50mill to me Wrik Hoover with "TS" as reason and you get, the TS record in 1h.
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taylor04
Caldari The Wretched.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:34:00 -
[260]
Originally by: boo3916
Why don't you lie where TRI dreads went? Oh wait you did.
P.S.Loike and Umbo are and will always will be better then you ***got!
The Wretched. >>> DOOM. any time,any place...
dont slag off my beloved doom u ******, as far as i,m concerned no diff between doom and the wretched, except size, all my x doom brothers who i miss are in the wretched which is a good corp apart from an idiot or 2 o/ umbo, tert and dean fly safe boo
hi boo my eve daddy <3
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Lee ChanKa
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:35:00 -
[261]
where i can order Monkey cloaking device?or this is not right thread?
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Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:45:00 -
[262]
Can you imagine how big this thread would be if it was NC that killed 6 Titans?
The truth will set you free
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:50:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Loike
Do I even know you? Never heard of you before, I'm sure you're in a good position to judge me Although looking at your post history you sure know something about what stupid is. And I'm so bitter that I didn't even have a chain lovemail spam with vince last night (<3 you babe).
I'm annoyed how D00M played a part in RSN's demise, but I wouldn't go as far as being bitter towards the guys I've been flying with for the past 2.5years, you know...it's a game and all. BFF
Aha, so you're annoyed how D00M played a part in RSN's demise and you come in a thread about NC loosing 6 tities and 3 moms and bitterly smack your mates about your deformed perception of 15 people claiming full responsability for all these kills? Then you lie about not being bitter.
You say you're not stupid, ok i'll play along; than you go ahead and judge yourself, i'm done stating the obvious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxr0hYefytg&NR=1
"These people that we've wasted today are the finest human beings ever. When we'll rotate back in the world, we gonna miss not having anyone worth shooting...
Full Metal Jacket" |
Ath'daru
Minmatar Jazz Associates Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:52:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Metal Dude Can you imagine how big this thread would be if it was NC that killed 6 Titans?
Yes, the SC are very well-mannered individuals. They don't take pleasure from other peoples grief ------------------- \(^~^)/ I AM DIE!! ------------------- |
Hubris
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 13:54:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Lee ChanKa where i can order Monkey cloaking device?or this is not right thread?
drop me a mail in game and for a fee i can get you into the inner circle of the sphere program. -
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 14:16:00 -
[266]
I just want to step in here and remind everyone that this complete ass kicking took place right in the NCs own drivewayà
It is clear now that the NC FCs did not listen to all the intel that was coming in related to the hostile numbers present in adjacent systems.
Sheer negligence on behalf of these FCs produced the single greatest loss of Super Capitals the game has and will ever see. The fits on these Titans were amazing along with the **** they were tooling around with in their cargo holdsà
Everyone in the fight has said, ôThe fight was playable and lag was manageableààthe NC just tried to run too early. Had they stood to fight things could have been very different.ö..
So far Karma has claimed the following victims:
Playtex Legion û Lost 5 Titans, entire Region, and their will to liveà.
Goonies û Lost 3-Regions in 48 minutes along with their will to play the gameà.
NC û **** ed with the Russians and were set on fire loosing 6 Titans, 3 Moms, 25 Capitals, and their right to chest beat foreverà
I donÆt like to kick a man when he is down but whoever was leading the NC fleet into the fire should be called to the carpet on this one. You were negligent and have shattered the Northern Coalitions persona of being the best strategists in the gameà.
Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!! |
Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 14:20:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Snot Shot
I just want to step in here and remind everyone that this complete ass kicking took place right in the NCs own drivewayà
It is clear now that the NC FCs did not listen to all the intel that was coming in related to the hostile numbers present in adjacent systems.
Sheer negligence on behalf of these FCs produced the single greatest loss of Super Capitals the game has and will ever see. The fits on these Titans were amazing along with the **** they were tooling around with in their cargo holdsà
Everyone in the fight has said, ôThe fight was playable and lag was manageableààthe NC just tried to run too early. Had they stood to fight things could have been very different.ö..
So far Karma has claimed the following victims:
Playtex Legion û Lost 5 Titans, entire Region, and their will to liveà.
Goonies û Lost 3-Regions in 48 minutes along with their will to play the gameà.
NC û **** ed with the Russians and were set on fire loosing 6 Titans, 3 Moms, 25 Capitals, and their right to chest beat foreverà
I donÆt like to kick a man when he is down but whoever was leading the NC fleet into the fire should be called to the carpet on this one. You were negligent and have shattered the Northern Coalitions persona of being the best strategists in the gameà.
... you make this look bad.
learn to troll plz. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
FatFreddy
Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 14:54:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Snot Shot
Playtex Legion û Lost 5 Titans, entire Region, and their will to liveà.
Such a **** troll. PL are giving us fights constantly <3
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 15:22:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Snot Shot
I just want to step in here and remind everyone that this complete ass kicking took place right in the NCs own drivewayà
It is clear now that the NC FCs did not listen to all the intel that was coming in related to the hostile numbers present in adjacent systems.
Sheer negligence on behalf of these FCs produced the single greatest loss of Super Capitals the game has and will ever see. The fits on these Titans were amazing along with the **** they were tooling around with in their cargo holdsà
Everyone in the fight has said, ôThe fight was playable and lag was manageableààthe NC just tried to run too early. Had they stood to fight things could have been very different.ö..
So far Karma has claimed the following victims:
Playtex Legion û Lost 5 Titans, entire Region, and their will to liveà.
Goonies û Lost 3-Regions in 48 minutes along with their will to play the gameà.
NC û **** ed with the Russians and were set on fire loosing 6 Titans, 3 Moms, 25 Capitals, and their right to chest beat foreverà
I donÆt like to kick a man when he is down but whoever was leading the NC fleet into the fire should be called to the carpet on this one. You were negligent and have shattered the Northern Coalitions persona of being the best strategists in the gameà.
Your such a bandwaggoner.
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Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 15:53:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Marlona Sky Your such a bandwaggoner.
You call him that, I call him fish, as in scrapheapwordfiltermeaning.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 15:59:00 -
[271]
I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:04:00 -
[272]
some of those fits are just ----------
~bitter dog~
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Cerlestes
Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:14:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
Back in the times of MAX, the killboard was the most accurate, since it feeded not only directly from over 20 boards, both hostile and friendly, but also from the API. The killboard has not been worked on for months. We thank you for notifying us (rx and me) and we will look into this soon.
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Elm'o
Minmatar Section XIII Cursed Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:33:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Cerlestes
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
Back in the times of MAX, the killboard was the most accurate, since it feeded not only directly from over 20 boards, both hostile and friendly, but also from the API. The killboard has not been worked on for months. We thank you for notifying us (rx and me) and we will look into this soon.
I checked yesterday night on this exact killboard and i saw 3 titan loss. Today, this battle never happenned on the NC killboard.. Wtf?
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:34:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
http://rawr.eve-kill.net/
or it is possible that they are removed from NC killboard (maintained by RZR) cause all those ships are alive. Few of them changed owners, but couple of them were already returned to rightful owners via petitions.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:38:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
http://rawr.eve-kill.net/
or it is possible that they are removed from NC killboard (maintained by RZR) cause all those ships are alive. Few of them changed owners, but couple of them were already returned to rightful owners via petitions.
Are you saying that some or all of the titans and moms that died have been reimbursed from CCP via petition??
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:41:00 -
[277]
Edited by: Vuk Lau on 17/06/2010 16:41:05
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
http://rawr.eve-kill.net/
or it is possible that they are removed from NC killboard (maintained by RZR) cause all those ships are alive. Few of them changed owners, but couple of them were already returned to rightful owners via petitions.
Are you saying that some or all of the titans and moms that died have been reimbursed from CCP via petition??
Where I said that. This morning we found 90% of caps and supercaps unpiloted on our cynopoints. Few of them are found in the meantime by other random ppl and boarded. Couple of them already returned to their owners.
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Nynjato
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:41:00 -
[278]
Edited by: Nynjato on 17/06/2010 16:41:40
Originally by: Vuk Lau returned to rightful owners via petitions.
Oh boy, here we go.
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Super Twinkey69
Minmatar D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:41:00 -
[279]
where is plague b when u need him to spin to spin this as a win!?@
*also posting in what experts are not calling a ****-fest between d00m/ex-d00m....video games are not ment for rage just friendship-evry1 get along!
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:46:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Super Twinkey69 where is plague b when u need him to spin to spin this as a win!?@
*also posting in what experts are not calling a ****-fest between d00m/ex-d00m....video games are not ment for rage just friendship-evry1 get along!
I am not surprised with your lack of reading comprehension. I never said we won, I just stated we found all ships "alive" so go back to AJ Regard 101 school of spinning, and use some browser with spelling correction.
P.S. Dont forget to invite me for next T3/faction gang.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:47:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Vuk Lau Where I said that. This morning we found 90% of caps and supercaps unpiloted on our cynopoints. Few of them are found in the meantime by other random ppl and boarded. Couple of them already returned to their owners.
Interesting news. So they just were magically found?
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Deki
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:49:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Vuk Lau Where I said that. This morning we found 90% of caps and supercaps unpiloted on our cynopoints. Few of them are found in the meantime by other random ppl and boarded. Couple of them already returned to their owners.
Interesting news. So they just were magically found?
Yeah, can you imagine that?
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:51:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Vuk Lau Edited by: Vuk Lau on 17/06/2010 16:41:05
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
http://rawr.eve-kill.net/
or it is possible that they are removed from NC killboard (maintained by RZR) cause all those ships are alive. Few of them changed owners, but couple of them were already returned to rightful owners via petitions.
Are you saying that some or all of the titans and moms that died have been reimbursed from CCP via petition??
Where I said that. This morning we found 90% of caps and supercaps unpiloted on our cynopoints. Few of them are found in the meantime by other random ppl and boarded. Couple of them already returned to their owners.
I guess losing 93% of all your caps in one battle was too much to handle and you begged your dev friends to :help: you,..
Shame you have no proof of anything you said and its already been confirmed as lost and wont be reimbursed,..
Derek Chu is far more convincing than you, anyway less posting more mining those capital parts arent going to build themselves,..
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fatpants
Gallente They Found Oil On Your Anus
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Deki
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Vuk Lau Where I said that. This morning we found 90% of caps and supercaps unpiloted on our cynopoints. Few of them are found in the meantime by other random ppl and boarded. Couple of them already returned to their owners.
Interesting news. So they just were magically found?
Yeah, can you imagine that?
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Sidzo
Minmatar SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:55:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
http://rawr.eve-kill.net/
or it is possible that they are removed from NC killboard (maintained by RZR) cause all those ships are alive. Few of them changed owners, but couple of them were already returned to rightful owners via petitions.
And im PINK PANTER
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED I guess losing 93% of all your caps in one battle was too much to handle and you begged your dev friends to :help: you,..
Shame you have no proof of anything you said and its already been confirmed as lost and wont be reimbursed,..
Derek Chu is far more convincing than you, anyway less posting more mining those capital parts arent going to build themselves,..
Ask WN/Co2 they boarded some of them, including one titan if you dont trust me, and as I said few were already returned to owners. Just for the record I am not trying to diminish WN accomplishment in that fight, if there was no lag, there would be for sure supercap losses on both sides. On more then several occasions I stated that WN is one of the most formidable opponents we have.
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:00:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED I guess losing 93% of all your caps in one battle was too much to handle and you begged your dev friends to :help: you,..
Shame you have no proof of anything you said and its already been confirmed as lost and wont be reimbursed,..
Derek Chu is far more convincing than you, anyway less posting more mining those capital parts arent going to build themselves,..
Ask WN/Co2 they boarded some of them, including one titan if you dont trust me, and as I said few were already returned to owners. Just for the record I am not trying to diminish WN accomplishment in that fight, if there was no lag, there would be for sure supercap losses on both sides. On more then several occasions I stated that WN is one of the most formidable opponents we have.
So why would CCP give YOU titans back and not PL,..
I mean yeah no one really likes viper but come on seems a little strange that you get special treatment,..
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Bobbechk
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:04:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Vuk Lau Edited by: Vuk Lau on 17/06/2010 16:41:05
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
http://rawr.eve-kill.net/
or it is possible that they are removed from NC killboard (maintained by RZR) cause all those ships are alive. Few of them changed owners, but couple of them were already returned to rightful owners via petitions.
Are you saying that some or all of the titans and moms that died have been reimbursed from CCP via petition??
Where I said that. This morning we found 90% of caps and supercaps unpiloted on our cynopoints. Few of them are found in the meantime by other random ppl and boarded. Couple of them already returned to their owners.
Exactly what happened to alot of caps (not any titan afaik) in Y-2 ________
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:05:00 -
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Razor, why would you remove API verified kills from the NC kill board?
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boo3916
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:09:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
dont be silly, nc are a bunch of ***gots, they post kills but dont like to post losses, they like to pretend it didnt happen
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED So why would CCP give YOU titans back and not PL,..
I mean yeah no one really likes viper but come on seems a little strange that you get special treatment,..
Ok this time for all slow readers. As you could read here, I even told everyone to cancel their petitions cause they were pointless. Before I continue I will just give a quick comment on Y-2ANO. I hate myself for letting CCP slip tru with that fackup, but PL didnt wanted to bother with petitions and tbh I was sick of talking with GMs. 6NJ and Y-2ANO has nothing similar, all our caps/supercaps jumped out, consumed the fuel and capacitor, appeared in cyno-out systems and then crashed. Majority of ships we lost in 6NJ were unpiloted (pilots couldnt log for much more then 15 mins) f.e. Elvens titan was killed more then hour after he crashed. PL titans never loaded the system, tho they were killed as well hours after they crashed.
Anyway we took this 6NJ punch and went on, you lose some, you win some (I want to repeat again, I am not diminishing WN and crew accomplishment).
There was not any divine DEV intervention. We found few of them in A-A this morning, then rechecked all other exit systems and boarded all of them. You can smack as long as you want, but as many of the trolls who crawled under the rocks said here in last 12 hours - Karma is a *****.
I truly hope TQ will stop being **** soon, so we could have epic fights with dozens of supers on both sides. Luckily we are blessed with hostiles who has the balls to bring them out.
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Straight Hustlin
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:11:00 -
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I most sincerly hope that isn't true, otherwise CCP have set a very dangerous precedent for themselves and fleet fights will mean nothing.
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Deja Thoris
Amarr Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:15:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
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I'll go out on a limb here and say this is an epic troll. You probably either replaced them or swapped pilots and are hoping everyone on the opposing side will wail "woe is me we tried to kill them but it all came to naught!"
If thats not the case then there is pretty good drama coming either way.
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Deki
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:16:00 -
[294]
Originally by: boo3916
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
dont be silly, nc are a bunch of ***gots, they post kills but dont like to post losses, they like to pretend it didnt happen
I completely understand your frustration for being the exmember of alliance we disbanded so many times, but pls reffer to Morsus Mihi killboard for accuracy RAWR killboard
Morsus Mihi is using APIs from day one, and even before that we have dedicated people for making sure all losses are posted. You are prolly mad so you mistaken us with BoB/Ken/IT. They are famous for not posting their losses and for shooting their dying caps and supercaps to raise their k/d ratio.
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Phocas Lebournes
Minmatar Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:16:00 -
[295]
Originally by: boo3916
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
dont be silly, nc are a bunch of ***gots, they post kills but dont like to post losses, they like to pretend it didnt happen
we did it because we knew you would care.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:18:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Deki
Originally by: boo3916
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
dont be silly, nc are a bunch of ***gots, they post kills but dont like to post losses, they like to pretend it didnt happen
I completely understand your frustration for being the exmember of alliance we disbanded so many times, but pls reffer to Morsus Mihi killboard for accuracy RAWR killboard
Morsus Mihi is using APIs from day one, and even before that we have dedicated people for making sure all losses are posted. You are prolly mad so you mistaken us with BoB/Ken/IT. They are famous for not posting their losses and for shooting their dying caps and supercaps to raise their k/d ratio.
I take it the "Do not post on any forums anywhere about that fight until I get my CCP friend to magically spawn our losses for us or you will be auto-kicked from the NC!" forum ban is over?
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GavinGoodrich
Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: GavinGoodrich on 17/06/2010 17:20:59 Unsubbed 4 accounts 'cause CCP sucks major balls on this and it's only gotten worse, 8 months later.
Even non-blobby regions get bad lag which kills fleets.
**** it, goin' to another game.
Edit: Tired of all this "well if we didn't have any lag, this woulda happened" because that's all I ever hear anymore. \o |
Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: GavinGoodrich Edit: Tired of all this "well if we didn't have any lag, this woulda happened" because that's all I ever hear anymore.
If it wan't for the lag, everyone would have had fun! c/d?
Seriously though. The lag is crap. Dying to a black screen is the worst. The Lag Monster is not aligned with anyone and losing ships to is is just utter crap.
If CCP can't fix this problem I wish they would hire a company or whatever to come in and get the job done. Anyways, time to get back to more pew pew and all that people.
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GavinGoodrich
Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:36:00 -
[299]
Marlona: I meant it in the sense of "yes, people are getting SCREWED...whole operations costing thousands of US dollars of ships getting SCREWED because CCP can't back up what they advertise anymore." I didn't mean it in the sense of people were *****ing too much...this is a legit issue, 7 months in the making. Someone should be getting fired by now.
Yes, hire an outside source...whatever it takes. Or you'll keep losing subs.
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Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:40:00 -
[300]
Could anyone of the non-NC-pilots who boarded one of the empty ships please stand up?
Or could someone please post a pic of the unboarded caps. Vuk usually doesn't troll on such a scale, but I'd rather have a confirmation before I can fully believe it.
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iosoti
Amarr Astral Community Enterprises Rogue Elements.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: iosoti on 17/06/2010 17:47:12 If you look at efficiency of NC as a whole it is still at 70 percent after all those titans losses. For perspective the entire SC's efficiency is under 50 percent. Along with IT under 50 percent and TRI at some points getting a 17.9 percent efficiency.
The thing about NC is even though they lose alot, they also kill alot. Most others don't have balls for a fight. For instance SC ran away first second they saw a fight was coming. Against russians they went for it, but lag got the best of them.
White Noise don't necessarily have any logistics skill or pvp skill imo. If anyone knows about white noise they would know they exploited 6 ways to sunday on static plex's in the south to get their caps. There was a time when you could respawn structures without doing the plex every 30min-1hr with a nice bug ccp had. So the ceo from white noise would go sit in the last room and let the structure respawn over and over. He would sit in there for the whole day and lock himself in there and farm it, and no one can get in because they dont have the key.
Then one mad russia from RA got mad and told ccp about it and it got nerfed.
White Noise is still full of macros though so its no problem to make more isk if they ever need, but they don't.
If you were ever curious why russians have a huge stockpile of officer/faction on all their ships that is why
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Sidzo
Minmatar SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:43:00 -
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That is true story they got titans back ! Also today i was doing plex 9/10 and i lost my Loki (becouse lag ), then i convo one GM. After 5 minuts I got ship back and GM tell me : BE MORE CAREFUL NEXT TIME ! TNX CCP !!!
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Vuk Lau on 17/06/2010 17:43:40 I agree, that TQ is falling apart. The worst thing is that before you could predict how TQ will behave which is now impossible. NOt to mention that you can be in empty system with your fleet only and get ****ed with lag so horrible.
I am traveling to Iceland on Tuesday for CSM-CCP summit. Naturally this have highest priority on not only my agenda. Whole CSM recognize TQ being horrible as huge problem, and be sure we will push hard CCP on this matter.
I know majority of you resents SiSi mass testings, but thats the easist way for any of you to help on this matter. Sisi tests rarely last more then hour, and you can be on both sisi and TQ with same account on the same time so you are not loosing much of your time.
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Azzma
Amarr D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:45:00 -
[304]
I kind of think we should all just team up, NC SC whoever and tell CCP what's up.
I mean, it's cool NC titans died and all but is this really the game we all want to play?
Problem is, they'll probably just post some message about "Working on it" and nothing will happen heh. Give us back Apocrypha era lag...
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MrRx7
Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:45:00 -
[305]
Originally by: boo3916
Originally by: Marlona Sky I don't see any of these losses on the Northern Coalition kill board. Wasn't this the very kill board that NC toted around as being the most accurate kill board in the game? And yet, according to their kill board, it's like the fight never took place.
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
dont be silly, nc are a bunch of ***gots, they post kills but dont like to post losses, they like to pretend it didnt happen
Originally by: Marlona Sky Razor, why would you remove API verified kills from the NC kill board?
Perhaps you should know what your talking about before you speak. the NC Kb has never once used the API to feed kills as that would require every corp in the entire Nc to give me full director keys (good luck with that). The killboard simply pulls data from the member boards or is directly posted too if the respective alliance/corp board has the plugin installed.
That being said the Nc KB has not been maintained for the past year and its not surprising if its missing a lot of data, I have not really given much care to it and the dev who wrote it has other things to spend his time on.
The only reason kills are ever deleted is because they are corrupt or duplicate, Nobody in the entire Nc has the password to do so except for me
But hey, good troll.
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:46:00 -
[306]
I found a Titan floating in a belt in Jita after DT this morning. If someone can tell me the color of the seat cushion for the pilots seat proving they are the rightfull owner I will give it back.. Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
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Omeega
Amarr Lethal Corp RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:47:00 -
[307]
So much spinning, my head, can't take it anymore...!
Don't speak english, f1,f2,f3... |
Orree
Gallente Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Orree on 17/06/2010 17:49:35
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Lasakywa
Originally by: Seleene I lost a titan once.
To a dd proof AAA flycatcher. 'was a nice trick
Yeah, back in the day we lost titans one at a time to awesome ideas / traps. This **** is... hell, I don't even...
Yeah...not that some of the initial titan losses weren't equally lame, it's hard to be all that excited about something that obviously wouldn't have happened if the server was actually up to supporting what actually goes on in 0.0 these days.
I think this is also further proof, if any was needed, that you really shouldn't employ these ships unless they are really required for the task at hand. I don't know exactly what occured, but I've seen it mentioned more than once in this thread that they weren't required. It has always been a pet peeve of mine to see capitals and supercapitals employed in situations that don't call for their use and basically amount to overkill "just because you can." I'm glad the old days of DDing roaming gangs are gone, but that appears to have been replaced with the titan blob and that's just as dumb, really.
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Hyveres
Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Hyveres on 17/06/2010 17:51:38
Originally by: iosoti Edited by: iosoti on 17/06/2010 17:47:12 If you look at efficiency of NC as a whole it is still at 70 percent after all those titans losses. For perspective the entire SC's efficiency is under 50 percent. Along with IT under 50 percent and TRI at some points getting a 17.9 percent efficiency.
The thing about NC is even though they lose alot, they also kill alot. Most others don't have balls for a fight. For instance SC ran away first second they saw a fight was coming. Against russians they went for it, but lag got the best of them.
White Noise don't necessarily have any logistics skill or pvp skill imo. If anyone knows about white noise they would know they exploited 6 ways to sunday on static plex's in the south to get their caps. There was a time when you could respawn structures without doing the plex every 30min-1hr with a nice bug ccp had. So the ceo from white noise would go sit in the last room and let the structure respawn over and over. He would sit in there for the whole day and lock himself in there and farm it, and no one can get in because they dont have the key.
Then one mad russia from RA got mad and told ccp about it and it got nerfed.
White Noise is still full of macros though so its no problem to make more isk if they ever need, but they don't.
If you were ever curious why russians have a huge stockpile of officer/faction on all their ships that is why
Or, they simply do not post their losses the way the southern alliances do. It helps that while the south mostly fight 3-4 alliances together they fight 20+ spreading losses out over a ton of killboards.
Coalition vs people doing stuff with their own members really. That being said the NC has been effective the last few months.
"Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound |
Mavrixx
Gallente H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:51:00 -
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I was playing WOW this morning, was just about to fight the Lich King when a pilot-less titan suddenly appeared out of no where.
Will return to rightful owner for the right reward.
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:52:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED So why would CCP give YOU titans back and not PL,..
I mean yeah no one really likes viper but come on seems a little strange that you get special treatment,..
Ok this time for all slow readers. As you could read here, I even told everyone to cancel their petitions cause they were pointless. Before I continue I will just give a quick comment on Y-2ANO. I hate myself for letting CCP slip tru with that fackup, but PL didnt wanted to bother with petitions and tbh I was sick of talking with GMs. 6NJ and Y-2ANO has nothing similar, all our caps/supercaps jumped out, consumed the fuel and capacitor, appeared in cyno-out systems and then crashed. Majority of ships we lost in 6NJ were unpiloted (pilots couldnt log for much more then 15 mins) f.e. Elvens titan was killed more then hour after he crashed. PL titans never loaded the system, tho they were killed as well hours after they crashed.
Anyway we took this 6NJ punch and went on, you lose some, you win some (I want to repeat again, I am not diminishing WN and crew accomplishment).
There was not any divine DEV intervention. We found few of them in A-A this morning, then rechecked all other exit systems and boarded all of them. You can smack as long as you want, but as many of the trolls who crawled under the rocks said here in last 12 hours - Karma is a *****.
I truly hope TQ will stop being **** soon, so we could have epic fights with dozens of supers on both sides. Luckily we are blessed with hostiles who has the balls to bring them out.
After reading your posts I can safely say the following,..
1. CCP whether or not reimburse NEVER just bring back dead ships by leaving them in space floating,.. Whats the point, lets entertain your post for a second and assume this is accurate the loot that dropped is still in tact with the enemy, did CCP just create new officer mods,.. :O
2. Lets play along for now and say the summoned titans spawn was meant to be given in stations however ended in space instead, this isnt like CCP either to make an unusual error on reimursing in space,..
3. An announcement of the losses has already been made official on facebook, ISD reports and the front page, surely CCP wouldnt be so quick to make a post about the event if they were planning on reimbursing,..
4. Rawr forums have yet any ACTUAL proof on this, only speculation based on what you have said, at least post the GM responses on there so I can read it,.. :P
5. Since none of the enemy ships have reimbused, you would think a roll back would be more suitable,..
6. One of the titan pilots didnt upgrade his clone and wasnt allowed his SP back, interesting how they reimbursed ships but not SP,..
Without actual proof of anything I would say this is a weak troll, however you managed to get me bite so tactical victory I guess,..
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 17:56:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Vuk Lau Whole CSM recognize TQ being horrible as huge problem, and be sure we will push hard CCP on this matter.
So you think that when the CSM gets there they will ride into the CCP offices like white knights and demand CCP kill the Lag Monster and just like that it will be done?
What could the CSM possibly say or do that will help in this matter? You know damn well that when you say, "CCP! We of the CSM demand that you fix this post Domintion lag now!" that they will simply reply, as they have already done with the past CSM's with, "We are working on it."
Don't be so naive.
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres Or, they simply do not post their losses the way the southern alliances do. It helps that while the south mostly fight 3-4 alliances together they fight 20+ spreading losses out over a ton of killboards.
We all know that k/d ratio on alliance killboards doesnt mean nothing from the reasons you said, but if anyone in New Eden doesnt have a right to talk about not posting losses its your alliance and all their reincarnations, esp before when you guys were so anal about it.
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Gavin Neltharek
Caldari Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau
I truly hope TQ will stop being **** soon, so we could have epic fights with dozens of supers on both sides. Luckily we are blessed with hostiles who has the balls to bring them out.[/quote
Stop bringing 1000 people to every damned engagement and maybe Lag will diminish somewhat. The nodes will definitely love you more. <----------------------------------> Carebears aren't people, they're giant flying piniatas.
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Uphnir
Amarr Salus Novus United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:09:00 -
[315]
After reading many posts here I think many are not understanding that CCP had nothing to do with the return of the ships they just respawned, I have had this happen to myslef befor lost a ship in lag logged on next day in the ship even though I had a killmail generated , the ship had lost all it's lows and a few mids modules but was still insured and working.
Nobody has said anyware that the titans was replaced via petitions......
L2READ...
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:11:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED I guess losing 93% of all your caps in one battle was too much to handle and you begged your dev friends to :help: you,..
Shame you have no proof of anything you said and its already been confirmed as lost and wont be reimbursed,..
Derek Chu is far more convincing than you, anyway less posting more mining those capital parts arent going to build themselves,..
Ask WN/Co2 they boarded some of them, including one titan if you dont trust me, and as I said few were already returned to owners. Just for the record I am not trying to diminish WN accomplishment in that fight, if there was no lag, there would be for sure supercap losses on both sides. On more then several occasions I stated that WN is one of the most formidable opponents we have.
because TROLLZ are so kooooool
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station huggin for the win :)
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Zuquar Bonaparte
Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:13:00 -
[317]
I can confirm every thing vuk says is true, actually just found 3 titans and a superC in my delivery hanger in pf-q.
unfortunately i cant ride these types of ships , so vuk, pls come and get them since they can only belong to you and your trolls:)
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:17:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Gavin Neltharek Stop bringing 1000 people to every damned engagement and maybe Lag will diminish somewhat. The nodes will definitely love you more.
Why? Because CCP ****ed up their code?
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:17:00 -
[319]
Nice effort my lady. Tzadkiel Avatar is taken by hostiles. CountryYW is working, his Erebus is with Coji, Capataz Rolk Drift is with him. We also scooped Lou Cypher horribly fitted supercarrier in D7T. I am going out now, but I will check who is babysitting other supers.
If you are so sure that I am trolling lets bet in 100 bil I am not. We can use Chribba as 3rd party. We can use ship IDs to confirm if I am saying the truth or not?
Are you up for it?
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NC DamageControl
Caldari Stellar Convertors
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:20:00 -
[320]
As the official press spokesman I can confirm that Vuk is telling the truth. We didn't lose anything and 6NJ never happened.
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Zuquar Bonaparte
Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:22:00 -
[321]
Edited by: Zuquar Bonaparte on 17/06/2010 18:25:45
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED I guess losing 93% of all your caps in one battle was too much to handle and you begged your dev friends to :help: you,..
Shame you have no proof of anything you said and its already been confirmed as lost and wont be reimbursed,..
Derek Chu is far more convincing than you, anyway less posting more mining those capital parts arent going to build themselves,..
Ask WN/Co2 they boarded some of them, including one titan if you dont trust me, and as I said few were already returned to owners. Just for the record I am not trying to diminish WN accomplishment in that fight, if there was no lag, there would be for sure supercap losses on both sides. On more then several occasions I stated that WN is one of the most formidable opponents we have.
i can confirm, we now have 8 titans instead of the 5 we ownd b4 the fight thnx ccp and thnx vuk for buiulding them for us
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:22:00 -
[322]
i don't need to bet because
1. take gms usually a week or more to sort petitions ( unless you got one in your back pocket )
2. sc's floating in space would have to be docked by a gm for them to be in a station seems far fetched
3. you getting your **** back that fast would cause epic ****fest in ccp for all those who h ave lost sc's in the past in lagg battles.
if you have them replaced im sure its not by means of ccp or just "spawned in a system "
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Emsee
Minmatar Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:23:00 -
[323]
I just found NC's titan in my pants.
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G00dWin
Amarr Red Rodgers. White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:24:00 -
[324]
Vuk is troll? Nice to meet you dude! 100 bil bet ok =)
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Super Twinkey69
Minmatar D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:28:00 -
[325]
jesus vuk....stop man...just stop...give it up...there is no way that the general member of the nc could be THAT stupid to belive u anyways.....right?
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0ca
Gallente ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:29:00 -
[326]
Originally by: LadyScarlet i don't need to bet because
1. take gms usually a week or more to sort petitions ( unless you got one in your back pocket )
2. sc's floating in space would have to be docked by a gm for them to be in a station seems far fetched
3. you getting your **** back that fast would cause epic ****fest in ccp for all those who h ave lost sc's in the past in lagg battles.
if you have them replaced im sure its not by means of ccp or just "spawned in a system "
i agree, it would take a massive, no, gargantuan lie to even come close to the gravity that troll represents. i think the nc's corpulence will be their doom and this bloated fight in 6NJ seems to prove it.
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darius mclever
Gallente Merchants of Lore
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:29:00 -
[327]
Dear Mister Vuk Lau,
I am quite new to this whole capital and supercapital thingie, but I have 2 questions on game mechanics and procedures for you.
From what I gathered there had been API verified killmails and that should mean those had been legit kills.
1. So on what base did you put your petition that those randomly spawned ships belong to the NC and not the first person who found it?
2. Assuming those had been legit kills, I assume your pilots also got insurance payout. When the GM returned the ships to you, did they remove the insurance money from their wallets?
Thank you in advance for answering those questions, I just want to understand the game better.
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:31:00 -
[328]
Originally by: LadyScarlet i don't need to bet because
1. take gms usually a week or more to sort petitions ( unless you got one in your back pocket )
2. sc's floating in space would have to be docked by a gm for them to be in a station seems far fetched
3. you getting your **** back that fast would cause epic ****fest in ccp for all those who h ave lost sc's in the past in lagg battles.
if you have them replaced im sure its not by means of ccp or just "spawned in a system "
1. We didnt got them back from petition, i said that more then once 2. Read again what I already wrote. Tzad avatar is taken by hostiles, country is still on work so Coji boarded his titan, Capataz boarded his, and I dont know who is babysiting other titans, but I can find out that too. I never said we found them all. 3. I say again we didnt got them tru petitions, and I dont recall Molle getting his Titan back in E-O which was perfectly valid kill, caused any turmoils in CCP, nor rage in community.
If you are so sure lets bet as I said, I am sure isk is not an issue for you. 100 bil bet ok?
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Zeekar
Amarr Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:35:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: LadyScarlet i don't need to bet because
1. take gms usually a week or more to sort petitions ( unless you got one in your back pocket )
2. sc's floating in space would have to be docked by a gm for them to be in a station seems far fetched
3. you getting your **** back that fast would cause epic ****fest in ccp for all those who h ave lost sc's in the past in lagg battles.
if you have them replaced im sure its not by means of ccp or just "spawned in a system "
1. We didnt got them back from petition, i said that more then once 2. Read again what I already wrote. Tzad avatar is taken by hostiles, country is still on work so Coji boarded his titan, Capataz boarded his, and I dont know who is babysiting other titans, but I can find out that too. I never said we found them all. 3. I say again we didnt got them tru petitions, and I dont recall Molle getting his Titan back in E-O which was perfectly valid kill, caused any turmoils in CCP, nor rage in community.
If you are so sure lets bet as I said, I am sure isk is not an issue for you. 100 bil bet ok?
Ill take your bet. Send me a mail with details.
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:35:00 -
[330]
Originally by: darius mclever Dear Mister Vuk Lau,
I am quite new to this whole capital and supercapital thingie, but I have 2 questions on game mechanics and procedures for you.
From what I gathered there had been API verified killmails and that should mean those had been legit kills.
1. So on what base did you put your petition that those randomly spawned ships belong to the NC and not the first person who found it?
2. Assuming those had been legit kills, I assume your pilots also got insurance payout. When the GM returned the ships to you, did they remove the insurance money from their wallets?
Thank you in advance for answering those questions, I just want to understand the game better.
I never disputed any of the kills, tho its obvious that was not normal circuimstances, but as I already said more then couple of times - props to WN for bringing it.
1. Cause game is fubared, and players should not pay the price for that
2. GM didnt returned ships to anyone, and for the record insurance on titans is 500-600 mil :p
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:42:00 -
[331]
Edited by: Vuk Lau on 17/06/2010 18:42:57
Originally by: Zeekar Ill take your bet. Send me a mail with details.
You are offline, convo me ingame. I will poke Chribba if you are ok for him to be 3rd party?
G00dwin you are offline two, are you as well ok with Chribba being 3rd party?
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darius mclever
Gallente Merchants of Lore
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:42:00 -
[332]
Originally by: Vuk Lau 2. GM didnt returned ships to anyone
So short memory?
page 10 post 274
Originally by: Vuk Lau or it is possible that they are removed from NC killboard (maintained by RZR) cause all those ships are alive. Few of them changed owners, but couple of them were already returned to rightful owners via petitions.
For me it sounds like you petitioned that ships, that got boarded by WN/CO-2, will be returned to NC. It might be I am reading something into it, so my question stands on: what did you base those petitions?
Quote: and for the record insurance on titans is 500-600 mil :p
I wouldnt mind an extra 500-600m in my wallet. Also getting the insurance payout for a carrier and then getting the ship back, I am sure nobody would mind that either. Never works for my drakes though.
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NC DamageControl
Caldari Stellar Convertors
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:47:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Vuk Lau Edited by: Vuk Lau on 17/06/2010 18:42:57
Originally by: Zeekar Ill take your bet. Send me a mail with details.
You are offline, convo me ingame. I will poke Chribba if you are ok for him to be 3rd party?
G00dwin you are offline two, are you as well ok with Chribba being 3rd party?
No more terrible posts please, boss.
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:50:00 -
[334]
So your claim is 3 ships magically spawned in space somewhere not out of a csaa ? with no one in them ?
sounds like a proper ccp investigation need to happen ;) because clearly new ships don't just pop out of thin air :)
still calling bull**** ;)
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Bobbechk
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:56:00 -
[335]
Originally by: LadyScarlet So your claim is 3 ships magically spawned in space somewhere not out of a csaa ? with no one in them ?
sounds like a proper ccp investigation need to happen ;) because clearly new ships don't just pop out of thin air :)
still calling bull**** ;)
same thing happened in Y-2 to my Nidhoggur... ________
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:58:00 -
[336]
Edited by: Vuk Lau on 17/06/2010 19:00:31 Ok Zeekar from IT accepted the bet, he is more comfortable with Darknesss as 3rd party so we will both deposit 50 bil to Chribba and 50 bil to Darkness.
I asked hime for 72 hours to compile the fullproof evidence, and he asked me for same period to gather the isk.
I know this can be framed, but this is 100% legit
I will post more screenshots tomorrow from my office.
EDIT for Lady Scarlet: My lady I never said this game is working as it should, but to cut the chase, are you willing to bet?
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 18:59:00 -
[337]
Since we are asking for investigations i would like to request an investigation by CCP for the following :
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
This is a very serious issue and many PL members are frustrated to know for sure.
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Tormine
Amarr Those Without Purpose The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:00:00 -
[338]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Originally by: darius mclever Dear Mister Vuk Lau,
I am quite new to this whole capital and supercapital thingie, but I have 2 questions on game mechanics and procedures for you.
From what I gathered there had been API verified killmails and that should mean those had been legit kills.
1. So on what base did you put your petition that those randomly spawned ships belong to the NC and not the first person who found it?
2. Assuming those had been legit kills, I assume your pilots also got insurance payout. When the GM returned the ships to you, did they remove the insurance money from their wallets?
Thank you in advance for answering those questions, I just want to understand the game better.
I never disputed any of the kills, tho its obvious that was not normal circuimstances, but as I already said more then couple of times - props to WN for bringing it.
1. Cause game is fubared, and players should not pay the price for that
2. GM didnt returned ships to anyone, and for the record insurance on titans is 500-600 mil :p
Titan insurance is a couple billion im pretty sure. not 500-600mil |
xHUN73R
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:01:00 -
[339]
Originally by: Vuk Lau I know majority of you resents SiSi mass testings, but thats the easist way for any of you to help on this matter. Sisi tests rarely last more then hour, and you can be on both sisi and TQ with same account on the same time so you are not loosing much of your time.
First of all, I(and lots of other people for that matter)really doubt the CSM have any infuluence whatsoever over such matters. Changing mailing system, improving the ingame browser and fixing some minor issues - ok, but CCP's been working on things that we don't care for most of the time, unwilling to admit they cannot fix the large issues that need fixing, such as extremely broken ships, the sov system demanding more and more blobs and most of all û lag getting umplayable.
Last "mass testing" on Sisi brought what, 30-40 caps, PL brought 2 titans, Ed brought his wyvern, and that was kinda it. Mass testing with 150 people. People lost confidence in CCP and they wonÆt log in and help just to see things getting worse with every patch. And with hundred of ships dying to incredible lag, blackscreens , desync lotsa people are ****ed and have no desire of helping at all. CCP say the wonÆt reimburse supercaps, people die to blackscreens, or are just afraid to use their supercaps, because most probably they will die unable to fire a single shot, and then CCP expects these same people to log in on Sisi, waste time and help making the game worse with the next patch.
Most of the time CCP doesnÆt know what is happening in the game, and it looks to me that doesnÆt care either. It should be clear by now that CCPÆs priorities are getting more and more players, instead of woking on the issues that are bothering the small part of the player base, that is actually here for epic fights and not to make iskies in empire, role-play or look around to kill lonely caps or faction BSes with 10:1 odds.
I would really like for you CSM guys to prove us wrong here, so GL with the Iceland trip.
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MissBolyai
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:02:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Since we are asking for investigations i would like to request an investigation by CCP for the following :
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
This is a very serious issue and many PL members are frustrated to know for sure.
GET OUT
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Elektrea
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:02:00 -
[341]
Originally by: LadyScarlet still calling bull**** ;)
same thing happened in y-2, I was bumping caps back to our station
P.S. (1:58:43 PM) EcidQwulf: i hear her backpocket is big enough to accomplish that (1:58:43 PM) Ghuarran: can she reach her back pocket? ----------
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:03:00 -
[342]
get a gm to confirm the id's of the titans are the same :)
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Wrik Hoover
Minmatar Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:04:00 -
[343]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1338178
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:05:00 -
[344]
Originally by: LadyScarlet So your claim is 3 ships magically spawned in space somewhere not out of a csaa ? with no one in them ?
sounds like a proper ccp investigation need to happen ;) because clearly new ships don't just pop out of thin air :)
still calling bull**** ;)
Out of curiosity, how much do you know about the funny effects you can get when multithreaded programs get slightly desynced?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:06:00 -
[345]
Originally by: Vuk Lau If you are so sure that I am trolling lets bet in 100 bil I am not. We can use Chribba as 3rd party. We can use ship IDs to confirm if I am saying the truth or not?
Are you up for it?
Can I get those 100 bil too? |
Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:08:00 -
[346]
(11:52:46 PM) cei-callum545: is it true about the insurance for titans only being 687mil? :-$ (11:53:19 PM) 42-mynas-atoch: anyone got a spare 600bn so we can reimburse them? :p (11:53:42 PM) rawr-sala-cameron: yes callum (11:53:46 PM) rawr-sala-cameron: country got 564 mil (11:53:50 PM) rawr-4s-vuk-lau: seriously (11:53:51 PM) rawr-imperian: lol (11:53:56 PM) rawr-4s-vuk-lau: feel free to petition your losses (11:54:00 PM) rawr-4s-vuk-lau: you will not be reimbursed (11:54:01 PM) rawr-sala-cameron: 659 mil (11:54:20 PM) 42-mynas-atoch: makes one nostalgic for crashing nodes (11:54:26 PM) rawr-eyedoll: 1 billion payout on a nyx (11:54:29 PM) cei-callum545: wow (11:54:30 PM) rawr-eyedoll: 660 on an erebus (11:54:32 PM) rawr-eyedoll: lulz
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darius mclever
Gallente Merchants of Lore
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:11:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: LadyScarlet So your claim is 3 ships magically spawned in space somewhere not out of a csaa ? with no one in them ?
sounds like a proper ccp investigation need to happen ;) because clearly new ships don't just pop out of thin air :)
still calling bull**** ;)
Out of curiosity, how much do you know about the funny effects you can get when multithreaded programs get slightly desynced?
Since when is eve multithreaded?
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CobraXero
Caldari Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:17:00 -
[348]
Confirming i boarded a in space floating RZR Erebus class Titan formerly piloted by Heptameron which already got handed over a few minutes ago to a Director of his corp.
Also confirming we probed out and returned several Caps and Supercaps after DT today on our exit cyno spots.
Vuk, i want my share on that 100 B :)
CX out
I went to Delve, and all i got was a crappy BoB T-Shirt ...
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FlameGlow
Caldari Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:19:00 -
[349]
Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: LadyScarlet So your claim is 3 ships magically spawned in space somewhere not out of a csaa ? with no one in them ?
sounds like a proper ccp investigation need to happen ;) because clearly new ships don't just pop out of thin air :)
still calling bull**** ;)
Out of curiosity, how much do you know about the funny effects you can get when multithreaded programs get slightly desynced?
Since when is eve multithreaded?
1 solar system is one thread, always was like that. Also NC devhaxxx ITT! |
Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:20:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
OMFG,..
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
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darius mclever
Gallente Merchants of Lore
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:21:00 -
[351]
Originally by: FlameGlow 1 solar system is one thread, always was like that. Also NC devhaxxx ITT!
You mean one invocation of the program, which would be something different when a thread.
But I still wait for an answer from Vuk.
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Lasakywa
Caldari Section XIII Cursed Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:23:00 -
[352]
687'000'000 for a titan. 1'000'000'000 for a nyx.
CCP, feature or bug ?
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Spathi
Gallente Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:24:00 -
[353]
I'm sure the NC leaders will petition these strange ghost ships, which are obviously bugged, to make sure they are actually allowed to keep them..
RIGHT?!
Especially if that same ship is reported by the API as dying.
Go on, give it a press! |
Sidzo
Minmatar SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:31:00 -
[354]
Vuche brate ti si prso skroz? Zglajzo si opasno, opusti se malo...
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Hei'di
Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:33:00 -
[355]
wow... that's like the most awfull damage control ever.
btw nice guristas sponsored titans there wn. :)
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DNSBLACK
Gallente Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:34:00 -
[356]
I few questions. Iam just looking for an honest Battle report.
1. Who started the fight and with how many ships on both sides in the grid.
2. Who drop the first cyno and dropped the first set of SC
3. Who dropped the second cyno and broought in the second set of SC
This info can lead to a number of conclusions. One thing is for certain alot of SC died and they had SC on the kill mails. I here people screaming lag but I think the second set of SC coming onto the field would have lag worse then the first set. Please would some one right up a better Battle report.
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:40:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Sidzo Vuche brate ti si prso skroz? Zglajzo si opasno, opusti se malo...
U pravu si :D idem afk malo. Svaka čast za Frekije na turniru, i svaka čast za sinoć. Pozdravi sve.
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Bobbechk
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:40:00 -
[358]
Originally by: Spathi I'm sure the NC leaders will petition these strange ghost ships, which are obviously bugged, to make sure they are actually allowed to keep them..
RIGHT?!
Especially if that same ship is reported by the API as dying.
while another API is telling someone else it lives
so what API should we listen to
________
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Deja Thoris
Amarr Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:49:00 -
[359]
Originally by: Tormine
Titan insurance is a couple billion im pretty sure. not 500-600mil
its just shy of 700mill. You get more back if you die in a supercarrier tho.
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Spathi
Gallente Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:52:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Bobbechk while another API is telling someone else it lives
so what API should we listen to
Actually you listen to neither - it is the fact the API is giving conflicting information which requires GM investigation. They will then decide which state is the correct one.
Thanks for your support in making the point :)
Go on, give it a press! |
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Lofe sXe
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:01:00 -
[361]
Edited by: Lofe sXe on 17/06/2010 20:02:11 funny fact that the only guys that seems butthurted are the IT guys that also have nothing to do with this battle.
pls, never stop posting IT guys - you may have lost MAX1 and MAX2 but you are clearly winning the caod war.
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:03:00 -
[362]
Originally by: Lofe sXe funny fact that the only guys that seems butthurted are the IT guys that also have nothing to do with this battle
and the PL guys who feel left out because they will never have space
snipah too -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!! |
IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:19:00 -
[363]
Originally by: Musical Fist
Originally by: Lofe sXe funny fact that the only guys that seems butthurted are the IT guys that also have nothing to do with this battle
and the PL guys who feel left out because they will never have space
snipah too
Yeah cuz they clearly not enjoying the game without it. Poor PL __________________________________
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:19:00 -
[364]
Vuk, any isk you earn by bets is to be shared. We lost titans too remember ;) --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
DarkPiper
Gallente Dark Reiters Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:20:00 -
[365]
Also im looking for G00dwin because of duel.
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Kaiwhakawa Tumuaki
Minmatar Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:21:00 -
[366]
Originally by: LadyScarlet It's not fair CCP! You can't give them their toys back. They have more toys than me anyway. Your so Mean! I hate you! You love them more than me... ...its just not fair!
Eat another cake you'll feel better.
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w0rmy
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:28:00 -
[367]
Originally by: Cerlestes
Originally by: Marlona Sky
NC, what is wrong with your kill board?
Back in the times of MAX, the killboard was the most accurate, since it feeded not only directly from over 20 boards, both hostile and friendly, but also from the API.
Originally by: MrRx7
Originally by: Marlona Sky Razor, why would you remove API verified kills from the NC kill board?
Perhaps you should know what your talking about before you speak. the NC Kb has never once used the API to feed kills
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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Omeega
Amarr Lethal Corp RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:57:00 -
[368]
Originally by: Vuk Lau I know this can be framed, but this is 100% legit
To our eyes, those titans & supercaps died because of your bad habbit of using innapropriate ships in innapropriate numbers - for once, you (the NC) got the really annoying side of lag/blackscreen/desynch.
Getting those supercaps back as ghost in space, via petitions or rebuilt, no one cares. Same goes for those bets.
And if somebody does infact care, they should address CCP in the correct matter.
Also, Viper says thanks for breaking the record of titan lost in a terrible way.
Don't speak english, f1,f2,f3... |
Drexciyian
Caldari The Water Margin Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:06:00 -
[369]
Either way CCP should remove them if they still exist
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Wollari
Caldari The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:12:00 -
[370]
Originally by: Vuk Lau Ok Zeekar from IT accepted the bet, he is more comfortable with Darknesss as 3rd party so we will both deposit 50 bil to Chribba and 50 bil to Darkness.
I wish i would have that ammount of money, but perhabs i've to get a new profession ingame and stop making webpages :-P
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JuGGeR
Caldari Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:16:00 -
[371]
vuk if you spin story is true , ccp should be out with a offcial statement about it , 2ndly if this is even close to be earth bound i guess ccps job would be to fly around and blow em up , 1 by 1 , since they offcialy are dead.
last but not least , the outcry from more then 50% of the players would go ape ****e since it would show favorism to north in general.
hell be proud , you fellas died with the most titans in 1 fight to date ..
last info i got was http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4715/20100617142629.jpg
so lets see if its photoshoped or not !?
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Teckos Pech
Gallente The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:16:00 -
[372]
First,
Originally by: Vuk Lau or it is possible that they are removed from NC killboard (maintained by RZR) cause all those ships are alive. Few of them changed owners, but couple of them were already returned to rightful owners via petitions.--emphasis added
Then we get,
Originally by: Vuk Lau 1. We didnt got them back from petition, i said that more then once
Which version of your story should we believe?
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:22:00 -
[373]
Originally by: Vuk Lau I will post more screenshots tomorrow from my office which has Adobe Photoshop CS5.
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Farham
Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:22:00 -
[374]
"Which version of your story should we believe?"
If I were a betting man I would go with:
They did indeed get them back due to some bug but tried to cover their tracks saying petition. They then realized that should they go with the petition angle that holy hell would break lose due to all previous super cap loses that were CCP related...so, they are now pushing the..."No idea what happened, servers are crazy" angle.
We have all played long enough to know that a bug like this is more than possible.
Not hacking it in 0.0 since 2006
Farham is my name, and fail quoting is my game. |
Anna Valerios
Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:24:00 -
[375]
Err Molle got his titan reimbursed the one he lost in M-0 (if I am not mistaken or maybe that low sec system he got ganked in) so I would not be surprised if NC got reimbursed if they peruse it long enough.
Or am I missing something? :@) ~ avs |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:38:00 -
[376]
Originally by: Anna Valerios Edited by: Anna Valerios on 17/06/2010 21:26:49 Err Molle got his titan reimbursed the one he lost in M-0 (if I am not mistaken or maybe that low sec system he got ganked in) in a similar situation; so I would not be surprised if NC got reimbursed if they peruse it long enough.
Or am I missing something? :@)
Yes, you are missing something.
Vuk Lau claimed that someone else found some of the supercaps and boarded them so that MM petitioned this behaviour and got them back this way.
Of course this would be one hell of a quick response for such a complex petition, not only getting a GM to work on the petition but also fully inquiring it within one or two hours.
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Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:39:00 -
[377]
Wat? Dudes, get a grip.
**** happened. Server went to **** and back and then back to more ****.
Go play Dice or Poker while this gets sorted. Forget about blobfights for the moment.
The story we got from Vuk sounds pretty damn believable to me and I don't have any reason to not believe it by now. Seriously who would make a story like this up? There's nothing to be gained by it, or what do you think would be worth to totally pull this **** out of your hat? Damage Control? What kind of Damage? To 'undo' the image of the NC to be nothing but carebears? Yeah, they totally had the 'leet-image before this.
They lost a couple of ships due to a laggy situation and then got it back due to another (actually still the same) laggy situation. I know a whole lot of people who had this happen to them while being in Fleet-BS, that were sitting in their damaged and modulelacking BS after relog with a nice insurancepayout. Since the NC started to use their Titans as the new Fleet-BS I can't be coloured surprised to be honest.
TQ is a cluster****.
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Teckos Pech
Gallente The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:41:00 -
[378]
NC alt detected.
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:42:00 -
[379]
that the titans magically respawned at beacons does not mean you did not lose them vuk. removing them from the killboard does not mean your coalition is any better at the game than you are.
also if i was in pl... and i was anti nc... (haha yeh right) i would be petitioning my head off to have those titans re-removed from game. and i believe it would work. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:49:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Minigin That the titans magically respawned at beacons does not mean you did not lose them vuk.
You conveniently forget that those that have reappeared where the ones that legitimately jumped out but were respawned back in system at various times and now spawned again in the right system. The two of them that never loaded and got killed long after has not respawned. Atleast to our knowledge. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
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Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:51:00 -
[381]
Edited by: Greg DaimYo on 17/06/2010 21:52:36
Originally by: Teckos Pech NC alt detected.
I am not an NC-Alt. I was a member of the NC, but I got out when I stopped having fun. So you might still call me biased but I do speak from personal experience at Fanfest when I say, that I learned to know Vuk as an honest :angry: Serbian with a slight overweight who has a real gripe about the condition of the server.
As to what Minigin posted in limegreen: I agree, that the killmails should be kept posted. We honestly can't tell if they are dead or if they got out, even if there are duplicates/originals/whatever still running about.
Edit because mah spellingz are sorta kinda badZors.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:51:00 -
[382]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Minigin That the titans magically respawned at beacons does not mean you did not lose them vuk.
You conveniently forget that those that have reappeared where the ones that legitimately jumped out but were respawned back in system at various times and now spawned again in the right system. The two of them that never loaded and got killed long after has not respawned. Atleast to our knowledge.
You guys should go back to your All Forum Ban again, your embarrassing yourselves.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:05:00 -
[383]
This thread is a nice reminder of how special some of you are:
- NC loses a bunch of Titans with wierd server behaviour playing a crucial role. I've read multiple posts from people on the other side acknowledging that the whole thing was fubar.
- NC claims to have found some of the lost titans floating in space because of more fubar.
- NC enemies go into overdrive *RAGE* mode and say how wrong this is.
They lost the Titans to the server being fubar - it would *seem* they got some back due to the server being fubar. You celebrate them losing Titans due to server problems but think it is "totally horribly wrong" (WAAAAAH) that they might get some back for the same reasons.
0.0 is filled with complete and utter hypocrits. You guys come across as some of the biggest whinging turds imaginable.
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baltec1
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:08:00 -
[384]
This says it all.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:12:00 -
[385]
Originally by: baltec1 This says it all.
I would file a petition to get my ears back but I found them a previous post back ready for me to put back on. Magic!
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Meno Theaetetus
Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:15:00 -
[386]
Just to try and clear up this mess of a thread, CCP did not reimburse or replace any ship, under heavy lag when the scaps jumped out some effectively got cloned, there was a titan at the jump out beacon and a titan getting killed in the source system. This obviously should not have happened, the titans that died remained dead and the 'cloned' titans that jumped out lived.
This does not deny the fact that wn killed those scaps, fair play to them, they deserved those kills and those mails are still valid, those scaps that didn't jump out in time did die and would not have been 'cloned', scaps that did manage to jump out became cloned, one copy staying in the source system to die, another jumped to its beacon, which one was the original ship is up for some debate though.
Tbh how this is even possible within the mechanics of the game I have no idea, It shouldn't even be possible.
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:15:00 -
[387]
not disputing you found the titans... just saying this doesnt make this loss for you any less humiliating.
you can continue to spin this into it being ccps fault, not really a loss because you got some stuff back, other excuses that you poked fun of the sc for when they lost a bunch of stuff.
but at the end of the day... im not even going to say it again, you should know what im going to say. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
skotenok
Caldari Bad Robot Inc. Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:21:00 -
[388]
strange on sreen eve time is 14:25 and last message in chat 14:26. how can be that ?
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Squall D'Lyes
Gallente Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:24:00 -
[389]
Originally by: skotenok strange on sreen eve time is 14:25 and last message in chat 14:26. how can be that ?
the eve server/client does that quite often. go give it a try on your client. that is not unusual.
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baltec1
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:28:00 -
[390]
Originally by: skotenok strange on sreen eve time is 14:25 and last message in chat 14:26. how can be that ?
Clearly a flux capacitor has been used.
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Ein Spiegel
Minmatar SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:30:00 -
[391]
This is not a troll, nor a chest beat.
But there's an underlying sense in both sides (or all three) which seems in error. The concept that SuperCaps are somehow special.
Sure, they used to be. Back when nobody could build one without massive work. When there were not enough miners to keep the materials flowing, when the total amount of capital ISK in the game was significantly less. But, let's face it. There are more players. There are more people doing things. And as the newbies are doing crapwork, the older vets are amassing more and more ISK. And Skills. More people can fly them, more people can afford them, there will be more of them. Once upon a time, Capital fights were like this. Now, they're not. Someday, throwing fleets of 100 supercaps & titans against another fleet of 100 supercaps & titans won't be a blip on the radar. Because Eve is growing.
And CCP, they need to address the fact that their gameworld is choking itself on anemic systems that can't handle the load, or on plaque-ridden code that can't push the bits where they need to be.
And they have to be able to keep up with the people that can't get any thought out of their head, when faced with a fight, other than "We Need MOAR SHIPS! It's not blobby enough!" Because as soon as lag isn't a problem, they'll upgrade their blobs until they lag out the server nodes again. Rinse, repeat.
So live with lag, but in doing so, CCP is not free from responsibility to do more to prevent it.
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Drexciyian
Caldari The Water Margin Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:35:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Yakov Draken This thread is a nice reminder of how special some of you are:
- NC loses a bunch of Titans with wierd server behaviour playing a crucial role. I've read multiple posts from people on the other side acknowledging that the whole thing was fubar.
- NC claims to have found some of the lost titans floating in space because of more fubar.
- NC enemies go into overdrive *RAGE* mode and say how wrong this is.
They lost the Titans to the server being fubar - it would *seem* they got some back due to the server being fubar. You celebrate them losing Titans due to server problems but think it is "totally horribly wrong" (WAAAAAH) that they might get some back for the same reasons.
0.0 is filled with complete and utter hypocrits. You guys come across as some of the biggest whinging turds imaginable.
No its cos 1000s of other people have lost ships that never get them back
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Cyrus Doul
Caldari Cosmic Vacum Cleaners Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:48:00 -
[393]
I will take any of them off the list vuk if you get a GM to tell me directly that they are the same titans as before. So far we have no gm intervention and its not like it would be that hard for you to take any of the other titans you have off my list of them and have them move there and swap pilots to make it look pretty. or all of the dozens that ive had six other MM pilots tell me exist but as they are not named yet they aren't going to give me them.
signed, Cyrus Doul, The guy that runs the titan list.
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Don ZOLA
Caldari TunDraGon Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:11:00 -
[394]
Edited by: Don ZOLA on 17/06/2010 23:24:34 If anyone wants to bet in smaller amounts then 100bils, feel free to poke me ingame to arrange it with Chribba, Grendell or Darkness as 3rd party :D
edit: Just to clarify im with Vuk on this, ie i bet that titans are back.
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LTD THOR
Caldari Liga Freier Terraner Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:19:00 -
[395]
PPL OF ME!
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Jebb Jones
Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:29:00 -
[396]
The current game is un-playable based on the way that CCP has reconfigured the game mechanics. We all know that.
Look, until CCP fixes these in game issues I suggest the following.
All of us who have multiple subscriptions drop one and consolidate toons onto other accounts. If enough of us are able to do this it will create the type of pressure that CCP will respond to, loss of revenue and hopefully have them dedicate more resources to fixing these issues.
CCP created and markets a game environment, with Dominion, that encourages ongoing PvP engagements to gain and hold space. Yet let me qoute a GM from today " Any player who involves himself/herself in a large fleet battle takes any risks regarding the side effects of extreme load willingly." Are you kidding me, then change your marketing pitch.
Keep playing, drop one account, CCP fix it!!!
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Estios
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:30:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Mavrixx
I was playing WOW this morning, was just about to fight the Lich King when a pilot-less titan suddenly appeared out of no where.
Will return to rightful owner for the right reward.
Call 800-SPIN-MOR begin_of_the_skype_highlightingáááááááááááááá800-SPIN-MORááááááend_of_the_skype_highlighting for details.
this post
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Viper ShizzIe
Caldari Habitual Euthanasia Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:40:00 -
[398]
I really hope that CCP understands the consequences of allowing any of these "dead" titans to remain in the game or the possible reimbursement after they way they ****ed PL when they were lost in exactly the same circumstances.
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:43:00 -
[399]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe I really hope that CCP understands the consequences of allowing any of these "dead" titans to remain in the game or the possible reimbursement after they way they ****ed PL when they were lost in exactly the same circumstances.
Reimbursement of supercaps in space randomly fully fitted within hours of loss and announcement of battle?,..
Surely even you dont believe they got reimbursed, besides theres something odd about that screenshot, dunno what it is but there something thats making my left eye twitch,..
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Gallente Section 8 Industries Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 23:59:00 -
[400]
While lag in fleet battles suck... one could make decisions to migate the risk. Should you realy commit 6 titans to attack a disputed pos in Venal? Given the probability of lag, could just commit BS and BC to take and hold the system, then after it is held send in the caps.
Lets imagine if NC commited just BS or lower ships, if the tide was turning into a hard to load in lagfest, could withhold sending in any cap ships. Signature removed for having inappropriate content. Zymurgist |
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Anikadir
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 01:03:00 -
[401]
Most of the denizens of Eve didn't realise that CCP where also part of BFF...
Sad day for the game if it's true.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Heck pod everyone you pirates, Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.18 02:04:00 -
[402]
Originally by: Anikadir Most of the denizens of Eve didn't realise that CCP where also part of BFF...
Sad day for the game if it's true.
Disturbingly suspicious at this time. I have enough petitions sent back informing me CCP do not reimburse losses in fights to choke a hacking dev.
Sigh Zymurgist ACCIDENTALLY my thargoid |
KillMurderDeath
Caldari NoobFleet G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2010.06.18 02:11:00 -
[403]
i think one of your avatars spawned in my pants... not to sure how i can return it
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dastommy79
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 02:16:00 -
[404]
Originally by: KillMurderDeath i think one of your avatars spawned in my pants... not to sure how i can return it
Whats the doomsday effect on yours?
I role play ewok
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Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.18 02:21:00 -
[405]
Originally by: dastommy79
Originally by: KillMurderDeath i think one of your avatars spawned in my pants... not to sure how i can return it
Whats the doomsday effect on yours?
It's got an activation time of 30 seconds and a reactivation delay of roughly 24 hours now
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Potiphar
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.18 03:32:00 -
[406]
CCP, you've had 6+ months to fix this ****? What happened? I realize that perhaps all the smart devs have left or something, but perhaps the mental midgets that you have left behind could consider writing something that prevents logged off ships from staying in space for 6 hours???
Also if you haven't already, please grab a team of people and tell them to diff dominion code with pre-dominion code, because as we all know, dominion ruined this game.
Thanks.
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Farham
Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.06.18 03:50:00 -
[407]
GM Gandalf had it with the one too many jokes at his expense so he reimbursed the T20 way... Not hacking it in 0.0 since 2006
Farham is my name, and fail quoting is my game. |
paracidic
Amarr Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 03:55:00 -
[408]
I don't understand, if the ships were alive just floating around in space how did the pilots become separate from them? I could see that they might have finally respawned in their ships. So your saying that somehow something was created out of thin air? And that something that was created out of thin air is acceptable. Yet you and all the PL/goon birds whingged about t20 creating 1 bpo and make a few hundred million of of it for the 12 days that he had it.
Hrmm
Hello pot, this is kettle!!!!!!!!! ***********************************************
Everything ever written by a goon or DS1 member is absolutely factual and should not be challanged in anyway. |
Koronos
Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 04:03:00 -
[409]
Originally by: paracidic I don't understand, if the ships were alive just floating around in space how did the pilots become separate from them? I could see that they might have finally respawned in their ships. So your saying that somehow something was created out of thin air? And that something that was created out of thin air is acceptable. Yet you and all the PL/goon birds whingged about t20 creating 1 bpo and make a few hundred million of of it for the 12 days that he had it.
Hrmm
Hello pot, this is kettle!!!!!!!!!
Wow. holy carp I don't even
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Terribad
Gallente GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.06.18 04:13:00 -
[410]
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
so is there a terrible news story about this ****fest yet? something about massive amounts of ~SPATIAL DISTORTION~? -------------------------------------------------- hi there |
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Bobbechk
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.18 04:40:00 -
[411]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe I really hope that CCP understands the consequences of allowing any of these "dead" titans to remain in the game or the possible reimbursement after they way they ****ed PL when they were lost in exactly the same circumstances.
Im pretty sure someone found mankells rag and stole it the day after Y-2 ________
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Kayl Breinhar
Gallente GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 04:51:00 -
[412]
Originally by: paracidic I don't understand, if the ships were alive just floating around in space how did the pilots become separate from them? I could see that they might have finally respawned in their ships. So your saying that somehow something was created out of thin air? And that something that was created out of thin air is acceptable. Yet you and all the PL/goon birds whingged about t20 creating 1 bpo and make a few hundred million of of it for the 12 days that he had it.
Hrmm
Hello pot, this is kettle!!!!!!!!!
I love how you guys roll every bit of malfeasance (however unprovable at this point) you ever did *before* T20 into the only thing you got caught for, and you consistently downplay that as well. The truly amazing thing is that even with three-plus years of the game pretty much being fixed for you, you still manage to inevitably screw things up. And we should know - we learned the proper way to fail from you.
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Tiger's Spirit
Caldari 24th Imperial Guard
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Posted - 2010.06.18 05:14:00 -
[413]
Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 18/06/2010 05:14:13
Originally by: Kayl Breinhar
Originally by: paracidic I don't understand, if the ships were alive just floating around in space how did the pilots become separate from them? I could see that they might have finally respawned in their ships. So your saying that somehow something was created out of thin air? And that something that was created out of thin air is acceptable. Yet you and all the PL/goon birds whingged about t20 creating 1 bpo and make a few hundred million of of it for the 12 days that he had it.
Hrmm
Hello pot, this is kettle!!!!!!!!!
I love how you guys roll every bit of malfeasance (however unprovable at this point) you ever did *before* T20 into the only thing you got caught for, and you consistently downplay that as well. The truly amazing thing is that even with three-plus years of the game pretty much being fixed for you, you still manage to inevitably screw things up. And we should know - we learned the proper way to fail from you.
Dont forget Atlas and IT used POS exploit and they still in the game.
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xHUN73R
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.18 06:40:00 -
[414]
Originally by: paracidic I don't understand, if the ships were alive just floating around in space how did the pilots become separate from them? I could see that they might have finally respawned in their ships. So your saying that somehow something was created out of thin air? And that something that was created out of thin air is acceptable. Yet you and all the PL/goon birds whingged about t20 creating 1 bpo and make a few hundred million of of it for the 12 days that he had it.
They had a session change after entering the system, docking, jumping out, etc.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 08:57:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit Edited by: Tiger''s Spirit on 18/06/2010 05:14:13
Originally by: Kayl Breinhar
Originally by: paracidic I don't understand, if the ships were alive just floating around in space how did the pilots become separate from them? I could see that they might have finally respawned in their ships. So your saying that somehow something was created out of thin air? And that something that was created out of thin air is acceptable. Yet you and all the PL/goon birds whingged about t20 creating 1 bpo and make a few hundred million of of it for the 12 days that he had it.
Hrmm
Hello pot, this is kettle!!!!!!!!!
I love how you guys roll every bit of malfeasance (however unprovable at this point) you ever did *before* T20 into the only thing you got caught for, and you consistently downplay that as well. The truly amazing thing is that even with three-plus years of the game pretty much being fixed for you, you still manage to inevitably screw things up. And we should know - we learned the proper way to fail from you.
Dont forget Atlas and IT used POS exploit and they still in the game.
Nc dident? Stop whiteknight every major alliance exploits, only Evoke who got really nerfed for it. Btw We got GM Atlas, so Atlas can never be banned...
GM Atlas = Bobby Atlas
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Julia Ginzinger
Caldari Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:09:00 -
[416]
Originally by: Anikadir Most of the denizens of Eve didn't realise that CCP where also part of BFF...
Sad day for the game if it's true.
Nothing sad about it, what was sad is that most of those supercap pilots spammed the jump out button, but never jumped out. What has happened is that the jump out was registered in the database or something like that apparently, but the actual removal of the ships never happend.
Killing ships when they are bubbled is fine, but when ships should be safe and should be able to jump out, but aren't jumping out due to terrible coding on ccp's part is a whole different ball game.
anyway i hope you enjoyed your less then 24 hours of joy ------------------------------------------------ CAOD news reporter for the Fox News Network. Your most reliable source in the eve universe. |
Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:23:00 -
[417]
Originally by: Julia Ginzinger
anyway i hope you enjoyed your less then 24 hours of joy
the biggest joy was the lack of NC alts like you on this forum tbh.
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Julia Ginzinger
Caldari Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:28:00 -
[418]
Originally by: Myz Toyou
Originally by: Julia Ginzinger
anyway i hope you enjoyed your less then 24 hours of joy
the biggest joy was the lack of NC alts like you on this forum tbh.
Says the sc alt.... ------------------------------------------------ CAOD news reporter for the Fox News Network. Your most reliable source in the eve universe. |
Meno Theaetetus
Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:31:00 -
[419]
ITT people that post in threads, but don't actually read them.
RTFT
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Giselee
Gallente Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:33:00 -
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only few words from my (most ppl wont know me) point of view at the moment
We are here in the north since 18 month. Since 1 Yeah (Dominion release) we fight in horrible lags with a horrible sov. mechanic. (yeah CCP, its really horrible if you may miss it! i dont really know who has the bad ideas in your corporation, but you definitly have to many of those ppl!) The former sov mechanic was a point, that made eve online to the game we all loved. Not static and verry dynamic. Now: 6 timers, you have to bring 100% and if you dont have a 23h timezone alliance, you are ****ed up. That makes 0.0 warfare to a more and more so called "blueballing" (i dont like to many blues...cheers to CH, DT and ROL :) )
The other thing that brings CCP with Dominion was the lag. Jumping with 100 ppl into a system with 150 ppl in local ended in 100 lossmails for those, who jumped in. All ships were dead, "our logs show nothing" and we had to buy new ones...jesus christ...but ok, if this is the new eve we have to accecpt it.
But now, there are some alliances and they lose some expensive toys. One day later, the expensive ships "magicly" "spawnd" in space and now the former owner have their ships back. I have 5 Titankillmails and 2 Momkillmails (lol supercarriers sounds horrible, and btw. i want the old cynoeffect back!) on my allianceboard...and formaly it was handled like: if there is a lossmail, the ship is destroyed! I will stop playing EvE since i dont want to destroy ships that gets "reimbursed" (by heavy serverload ) or what ever a day later for only some ppl, and some others have to accept their losses they cant do anything against.
I am a customer from CCP and this company says to me: "We are not discussing anything with you" ...sorry...but...are you ****ing ******ed?
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Rover Vitesse
Gallente FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lofe sXe Edited by: Lofe sXe on 17/06/2010 20:02:11 funny fact that the only guys that seems butthurted are the IT guys that also have nothing to do with this battle.
pls, never stop posting IT guys - you may have lost MAX1 and MAX2 but you are clearly winning the caod war.
funny fact that the only guys that seems to be butthurted are the PL guys that also have nothing to do with this bttle.
pls, never stop posting PL guys - you may have lost an entire region in less time than it takes me to change my underwear but you are clearly winning the Risk Free PvP War.
Before you ask, and it can be confirmed on TS as well, yes, I am mad. :twisted:
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Julia Ginzinger
Caldari Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:45:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Giselee
The former sov mechanic was a point, that made eve online to the game we all loved. Not static and verry dynamic. Now: 6 timers, you have to bring 100% and if you dont have a 23h timezone alliance, you are ****ed up. That makes 0.0 warfare to a more and more so called "blueballing" (i dont like to many blues...cheers to CH, DT and ROL :) )
I don't understand how you think that the previous sov mechanic was any more fun than the current one, cause its still the same, just takes more time, allthough you dont have to kill a gazillion pos', which i can tell you was everything but fun.
Anyway cry more, its not like we rang the ccp hotline, its just a crappy game that we all still pay.
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RogueAnt
Minmatar Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau Nice effort my lady. Tzadkiel Avatar is taken by hostiles. CountryYW is working, his Erebus is with Coji, Capataz Rolk Drift is with him. We also scooped Lou Cypher horribly fitted supercarrier in D7T. I am going out now, but I will check who is babysitting other supers.
If you are so sure that I am trolling lets bet in 100 bil I am not. We can use Chribba as 3rd party. We can use ship IDs to confirm if I am saying the truth or not?
Are you up for it?
Ive been reading your posts ive never known anyone so full of sh*t, when you go to Iceland i bet your gonna hump a dev to get your titans back
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Julia Ginzinger
Caldari Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:51:00 -
[424]
Originally by: RogueAnt
Originally by: Vuk Lau Nice effort my lady. Tzadkiel Avatar is taken by hostiles. CountryYW is working, his Erebus is with Coji, Capataz Rolk Drift is with him. We also scooped Lou Cypher horribly fitted supercarrier in D7T. I am going out now, but I will check who is babysitting other supers.
If you are so sure that I am trolling lets bet in 100 bil I am not. We can use Chribba as 3rd party. We can use ship IDs to confirm if I am saying the truth or not?
Are you up for it?
Ive been reading your posts ive never known anyone so full of sh*t, when you go to Iceland i bet your gonna hump a dev to get your titans back
u mad??
Anyway he doesn't have to hump those devs, cause we already have them back. Anyway cry more, but don't blame us (the nc) for ccp's faulty game ------------------------------------------------ CAOD news reporter for the Fox News Network. Your most reliable source in the eve universe. |
Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.06.18 10:06:00 -
[425]
bh I dont care if trolls believe me or not, tho I must admit I am enjoying the tears.
The main reason why we went public with this is cause this is not the lonely case. Ships reappearing after being killed under questionable conditions happened on more then dozen other occasions.
CCP MUST issue official statement on this matter. Till now they just stayed silent cause its more convenient for them. That must STOP.
I offered 100 bil on CAOD to anyone who wants to prove that I am trolling. The problem is all evidences can be faked, so only way to this bet is to go, is to deposit isk with Chribba or Darknesss (I am depositing 100 bil for every bet ofc) and it will stay there for some predetermined amount of time (lets say 2-3 weeks) until CCP gives official explanation what happened.
Just for the reference I have logs, screenshots, ship IDs etc. but as I said it can all be faked.
Anyway, its a summer time, and tbh we should all spread love instead of hate. I will not post anymore, and hopefully CCP will give official report on the issue.
All the guys who still wants to put a bet (even smaller then 100 bil), if you agree that only valid proof is official CCP statement, evemail me after you deposit isk to Chribba or Darknesss.
I will use this opportunity to invite everyone to NC Blob (ignore closed signups) in Germany from 16th to 18th July, to experience some BFF love, or just to smack me in RL Northern Coalition BBQ
:enabling CAOD ban on myself:
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ElrondMD
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.18 10:11:00 -
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We would like to thank the members of IT, ex members of IT and Viper ****zle for taking such an active and passionate interest in the actions of others. Its really heart warming to see people who have absolutely no input into events putting forward their expert opinions.
The events of the last few days have been..confusing. We do not know how everything will pan out eventually but continued conjecture about some grand NC propaganda campaign is just childish. There is precedence in regards to heavy lag and session changes producing weird results.
We look forward to CCP taking these events into hand and continuing to try and improve game play for the benefit of all.
Once again, congratulations to the Russians for amassing such a force and coming out on top amidst such horrible server instability. For those who have no business gloating, you are only embarrassing yourselves as your very presence in these discussions only highlights your lack of comparable achievement..
BFF
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Tung Yoggi
Gallente Pulsar Inc. Cursed Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rover Vitesse
Originally by: Lofe sXe Edited by: Lofe sXe on 17/06/2010 20:02:11 funny fact that the only guys that seems butthurted are the IT guys that also have nothing to do with this battle.
pls, never stop posting IT guys - you may have lost MAX1 and MAX2 but you are clearly winning the caod war.
funny fact that the only guys that seems to be butthurted are the PL guys that also have nothing to do with this bttle.
pls, never stop posting PL guys - you may have lost an entire region in less time than it takes me to change my underwear but you are clearly winning the Risk Free PvP War.
Before you ask, and it can be confirmed on TS as well, yes, I am mad. :twisted:
'Risk free PVP' is a strange concept, especially thrown by someone from a internetspaceholding alliance who has lots of steady sources of income, and heavy industrial capabilities to replace any ship in time.
Everyone risks something in Eve when it comes to PVP. Would it be morale, space, assets, isk, RL money (GTC or RMT)... You can mitigate the risk, you can never make it disappear, fortunately.
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gala gidas
Amarr Parental Control Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.18 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Julia Ginzinger
Killing ships when they are bubbled is fine, but when ships should be safe and should be able to jump out, but aren't jumping out due to terrible coding on ccp's part is a whole different ball game.
This. If those supercaps were tackled then the kill is a kill.The fact that the ships spawned or not somewhere else is irrelevant since i dont think that NC has a problem replacing the losses,even if some time is required for this.So this thread should stay on topic.The fact that W.N and the rest did a great hotdrop to a superior force.I dont know and maybe noone will know how many supercaps died or should have died due to lag but waving your middle finger to a superior force is what makes this battle so great imo. All the rest are bitter trolling from the losing side or even more bitter trolling from those that are opponents of the NC and didnt managed for one reason or another to do something spectacular like this
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Lee ChanKa
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2010.06.18 10:31:00 -
[429]
Vuk is GM Gandalf WAKE UP PPL! I CAN SWEAR HE SPAWN ME COUPLE OFFICERS IN VENAL FOR PROOF I HAVE TAGS!
who don't thrust me i put 100 mil in 3th part secure Ewqilibrium wallet
Vuce spawn me oficira u curse pls..nov sam ovde pa da dobijem jedno 5 bila..
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Ath'daru
Minmatar Jazz Associates Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 10:48:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Lee ChanKa Vuk is GM Gandalf WAKE UP PPL! I CAN SWEAR HE SPAWN ME COUPLE OFFICERS IN VENAL FOR PROOF I HAVE TAGS!
who don't thrust me i put 100 mil in 3th part secure Ewqilibrium wallet
Vuce spawn me oficira u curse pls..nov sam ovde pa da dobijem jedno 5 bila..
I can be third part. ATM I'm good for 2.000B ISK. Send ISK ingame. ------------------- \(^~^)/ I AM DIE!! ------------------- |
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SirDynty
Gallente Boiians Green Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 11:27:00 -
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aliance and drama and all,but if its true,that you got your titans back,even as and nonfator/renter/pet,i am going to make petition about every single frigate and Iteron i lost when i got that weird "Session change already in progress" message on a gate,and unable to do anything when some red killed me and laughed afterwards.
It reminds me old good Ultima Online freeshards where GMs spawned imba bows for their PK friends,not A++ paid MMO in 2010
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar Bite me inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 11:36:00 -
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H-W SC failcascade: 2 threads, one 5 pages one 6 pages. 6NJ NC failcascade: 1 thread, 15 pages. Irony overload: priceless.
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Rinala
Gallente The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.06.18 11:55:00 -
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I normally stay away from the COAD peanut gallery but I have to say...
Looking at things from the sidelines, I applaud Mr. Vuk on the awesome thread posts. Incredibly turned a monumental victory around into a questionable one. Now I understand why someone posted that people were threatened to be kicked out of their corp/alliance/car pool buddy programs if they posted anything on the forums about the loss.
Must say well played sir well played...
Even going as far as putting up 100bil to bet against anyone who may doubt it, WOW!
I really have enjoyed this thread!
10/10
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Dograzor
Gallente The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.06.18 12:58:00 -
[434]
Originally by: Mavrixx
I was playing WOW this morning, was just about to fight the Lich King when a pilot-less titan suddenly appeared out of no where.
Will return to rightful owner for the right reward.
Call 800-SPIN-MOR for details.
Confirming this to be the best post in the thread.
10/10 -
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.06.18 13:24:00 -
[435]
Edited by: Bismaru RELOADED on 18/06/2010 13:25:50
Originally by: Vuk Lau bh I dont care if trolls believe me or not, tho I must admit I am enjoying the tears.
The main reason why we went public with this is cause this is not the lonely case. Ships reappearing after being killed under questionable conditions happened on more then dozen other occasions.
CCP MUST issue official statement on this matter. Till now they just stayed silent cause its more convenient for them. That must STOP.
I offered 100 bil on CAOD to anyone who wants to prove that I am trolling. The problem is all evidences can be faked, so only way to this bet is to go, is to deposit isk with Chribba or Darknesss (I am depositing 100 bil for every bet ofc) and it will stay there for some predetermined amount of time (lets say 2-3 weeks) until CCP gives official explanation what happened.
Just for the reference I have logs, screenshots, ship IDs etc. but as I said it can all be faked.
Anyway, its a summer time, and tbh we should all spread love instead of hate. I will not post anymore, and hopefully CCP will give official report on the issue.
All the guys who still wants to put a bet (even smaller then 100 bil), if you agree that only valid proof is official CCP statement, evemail me after you deposit isk to Chribba or Darknesss.
I will use this opportunity to invite everyone to NC Blob (ignore closed signups) in Germany from 16th to 18th July, to experience some BFF love, or just to smack me in RL Northern Coalition BBQ
:enabling CAOD ban on myself:
Your proof yesterday was a GM reply saying you qualified for a reimbursement, sadly they executed it wrong and it ended up in someone elses hands which is where you petitioned AGAIN and got the titan back,..
Your story changes over and over, its like the time NC exploited with moon minerals the inconsistency in the replies / posts from you especially were awful,..
Not to mention the more recent drama of the 'shared' account in game theft,..
Either NC are getting special treatment (right now theres nothing to say they arent) or you are are a pro troll,..
edit - I would attend the magical NC RL blobfest but I cant hide behind my alt in RL, any tips on what todo?,..
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
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Tiger's Spirit
Caldari 24th Imperial Guard
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Posted - 2010.06.18 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tung Yoggi
'Risk free PVP' is a strange concept, especially thrown by someone from a internetspaceholding alliance who has lots of steady sources of income, and heavy industrial capabilities to replace any ship in time.
Everyone risks something in Eve when it comes to PVP. Would it be morale, space, assets, isk, RL money (GTC or RMT)... You can mitigate the risk, you can never make it disappear, fortunately.
My dreams, when i can destroying your station and all stuff what u have there destroying too with station. What we have now ? We cant destroy any station, so this is the best risk free pvp in Eve. :D
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 13:58:00 -
[437]
Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 14:01:09
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED Your proof yesterday was a GM reply saying you qualified for a reimbursement.
Jesus. Everybody has trolled people about reimbursement. We did that before DT yesterday even. It's a standard troll after a big caploss. And unfortunately people will keep trolling about this. It's just too good an opportunity not to. :)
So just as you have with the other side, you have to pick your sources. And if you do the story has been remarkably consistent lately, I would say as soon as this turned serious and they spawned and we understood partly what the **** had happened atleast the ones that know have had the same story. This is a huge ****up by the ccp gamecode and it consists of two parts. One during the fight and one around DT the day after. Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale.
EDIT: With that said I understand it must be hard to pick up the thruth through all the ****ing static and moronic statements from both sides that just blurs everything. That's why we just have to wait for ccp to release a statement, which I really hope that they will. And that this statement be exhaustive and not bit by bit giving as little as possible as it was with t20. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Metal Dude on 18/06/2010 14:07:52
Originally by: Fred0 Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale.
Quote:
No. It only happened before to PL and now NC. It never happened to anyone else in EVE.
The truth will set you free
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G00dWin
Amarr Red Rodgers. White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:40:00 -
[439]
Where is my 100 bil? or it was just trolling?
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IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.18 14:41:00 -
[440]
Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 18/06/2010 14:08:32
Originally by: Fred0 Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale.
No. It only happened before to PL and now NC. It never happened to anyone else in EVE.
You have trouble understanding english again? __________________________________
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:00:00 -
[441]
Originally by: IronGoldenEagle
Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 18/06/2010 14:08:32
Originally by: Fred0 Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale.
No. It only happened before to PL and now NC. It never happened to anyone else in EVE.
You have trouble understanding english again?
Experts are calling this 'Troll fisherman Catches Fish ^----^ this big'. Zymurgist ACCIDENTALLY my thargoid |
Rhaegor Stormborn
Minmatar H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:11:00 -
[442]
NC gets suprise butt sexed without lube and then makes up stories of magical reimbursements as a sort of damage control.
Classic.
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GM Grimmi
Gallente Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:11:00 -
[443]
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available. GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
EVE CSS |
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Battiskaff
Amarr Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:14:00 -
[444]
:)
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Kuar Z'thain
Caldari Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:15:00 -
[445]
Yup, nothing but NC spin.
Thanks GM.
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Midge Mo'yb
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:20:00 -
[446]
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
well in this case at the very least the "duplicated assets" should be seized untill the investigation is complete. then dealt with appropriately -----------------------------------------------
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Cerias Shadows
Gallente Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:20:00 -
[447]
So I take it that means Vuk wins that bet... But the GM's could possibly take the ships back? Anyone take the bet officially? That could cover the cost of a Titan! ~Cerias Shadows
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Musical Fist
Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:24:00 -
[448]
Originally by: Cerias Shadows So I take it that means Vuk wins that bet... But the GM's could possibly take the ships back? Anyone take the bet officially? That could cover the cost of a Titan!
Who really cares about the bet, the guy betting against Vuk was probably his spy alt anyway
Finally a GM response though, dont get too attached to those super caps NC you will be losing them AGAIN!! -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!! |
Kuar Z'thain
Caldari Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:26:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
well in this case at the very least the "duplicated assets" should be seized untill the investigation is complete. then dealt with appropriately
Maybe the ones that died were the duplicates. What then? Don't sell that loot yet.
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Forlani Tristania
Gallente Feral Tendency
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:26:00 -
[450]
Originally by: Cerias Shadows So I take it that means Vuk wins that bet... But the GM's could possibly take the ships back? Anyone take the bet officially? That could cover the cost of a Titan!
Yea, I have to say that I thought this might be an epic NC troll, but that GM response has me thinking that their code may have burped out some ghost ships indeed. That would make Vuk the winner, right?
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Midge Mo'yb
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:30:00 -
[451]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
well in this case at the very least the "duplicated assets" should be seized untill the investigation is complete. then dealt with appropriately
Maybe the ones that died were the duplicates. What then? Don't sell that loot yet.
i got no loot :P fine by me seize the lot... -----------------------------------------------
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:31:00 -
[452]
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Will those ships be removed by game masters since kill mails were generated in game and each ship has a individual id and can be traced through the code?
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:35:00 -
[453]
Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 15:40:31
Well atleast we got clarification that what we said is true. I just hope you bring more and real good information CCP. I couldn't care less what happens with the titans and motherships even if PL got to keep theirs. Just sort this and do it good with openness and what's best for the server long term. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
kra torii
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:37:00 -
[454]
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Will those ships be removed by game masters since kill mails were generated in game and each ship has a individual id and can be traced through the code?
I think you're mad.
Would you like a Twinkie to calm you down?
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Deki
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:38:00 -
[455]
Edited by: Deki on 18/06/2010 15:39:49 Edited by: Deki on 18/06/2010 15:39:13
Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
well in this case at the very least the "duplicated assets" should be seized untill the investigation is complete. then dealt with appropriately
Or killmails should be removed cause those ships were never killed?
Btw LadyScarlet I expect you apologize for calling me a liar. Also all the guys who wanted to bet on me trolling pls send isk to Vuk Lau if you have any e-honour.
On more serious note, this is the reason why I started whole this drama
Originally by: Vuk Lau Only way to bring this huge problematic issue to CCP is to give it public attention. I could be a ***** as many were before who experienced the same spawning of dead caps, and not to risk possible losing all the caps and supercaps we found. I cant say how thankful I am to CCP for making this awesome game, but also I despise their policy of "put problem under the rag" or "stay silent **** while **** calms on its own" If I didnt smacked this on CAOD and awaken all the trolls of New Eden, this would most likely go unnoticed. At the end of the day, most important things in EVE are my friends and ppl I play with. God knows I lost so many of them cause they stopped playing due to EVE being horribly buggy. I know I may sound :whiteknight: but I have given opportunity to try and change things in EVE, and be sure I will use it. Bitter ppl call me biased, but anyone who really knows me, is aware that pure ****. We cant allow this to just be ignored by CCP.
Now with people from both sides massively petition this ****up, also lot of them canceling accounts, CSM will maybe get a proper answer on the issue of TQ being crap, during Iceland summit. Most of you guys who said we would most likely get "Yes, we are working on it" response from CCP are right. But I dare CCP to ignore their massive failures with Dominion and Tyrannis and making 0.0 completely unplayable, after all this attention.
I hope for the sake of all of us, that CCP will reevaluate their politics of dumping unfinished and buggy expansion and focus on fixing all the content they pumped into EVE for all this years. Sadly, despite me being optimistic, as long as their subscriber numbers are raising, they probably wont, but I cant sit and do nothing, while all of us are loosing nerves and time cause game is unplayable.
I am sorry for all the nontrolls and nonsmackers who went emo because of this. Sadly we are all suffering from this, sometimes one side, sometimes other side, and sometimes both sides, but as long we are swallowing current condition of the servers CCP will not prioritize fixing it.
Vuk Lau (sadly Vuk Lau account is permabanned from EVE-O so no more sexy CSM tag by my posts) :D
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Flikoo
Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:42:00 -
[456]
tldr; lag sucks lag sucks screw CCP wtf titans respawned
If you're going to ***** about lag, then come show up to the mass testing events so CCP can have an easier time fixing that ****.
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Kuar Z'thain
Caldari Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:44:00 -
[457]
Originally by: Flikoo If you're going to ***** about lag, then come show up to the mass testing events so CCP can have an easier time fixing that ****.
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:45:00 -
[458]
lol, I wont apologies for questioning suspicious activity's in eve by anyone. And more so by anyone wearing a official tag that represents the people of eve. If im wrong im wrong how ever if the tables were reversed im sure there be no difference in the questions prob just 500 pages longer and a hell a lot more accusations. At the end of the day IF CCP fixes the game and fair play for all then my job is done.
Lady :)
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Bismaru RELOADED on 18/06/2010 15:51:10
Originally by: Fred0 Well atleast we got clarification that what we said has been true.
That not entirely true,..
'90% of our caps and supercaps'
WN Boarded supercaps and supercaps were given back to NC via petitions,..
Bet is made, by default the bet didnt stand due to it being on the grounds that
Originally by: Vuk Lau [.]we got 90% of our caps and supercaps[.]
Screenshot of Titan in space is made,.. Showing nothing unusual just an avatar on scan OMG SHOCKING,..
GM replies DOESNT confirm what was in space,..
Bet shouldnt stand as it was made on the grounds that 90% was returned, its impossible to verify and even if its true GMs taking them away changes everything,..
So really Fred0 what exactly did you guys say and what was true, I know I am branded an old MIA troll but really linking quotes from Vuk himself contradicting himself over and over as well as you is the only thing thats been consistent in this whole thing,..
While im at it, theres alot of unusual things unanswered still, like why a GM intervened (assuming WN got hold of the titan(s) first, returned the ghost ship instead of removing it,..
I am eager to see these petitions made about WN having the titans,..
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:51:00 -
[460]
Originally by: LadyScarlet
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Vladic Ka
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.18 15:57:00 -
[461]
How many 100's billions do you win vuk?
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JS LiamElms
Gallente Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:00:00 -
[462]
from what i can tell,
those ships that are actually found in space were infact jumped out intime.
The problem being the server load never pulled them out of the source system and thus they died. However, as the server processed the data and caught up with the actions, said caps/supercaps that had jumped out were spawned were they should have been.....
not supporting either side here, just saying what must have happened logically. looking back at the PL situation, that logged out there titans and never found any of those respawning, however found many other caps spawning.
and from the reports of people claiming they had jumped out.... you must draw a logical conclusion rather than screaming hax... and chest beating, or jumping on a bandwaggon, or the fav one of MOOORREEE TEARS and other pointless retorts.
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:03:00 -
[463]
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED
Originally by: Fred0 Well atleast we got clarification that what we said has been true.
That not entirely true,..
'90% of our caps and supercaps'
WN Boarded supercaps and supercaps were given back to NC via petitions,..
Bet is made, by default the bet didnt stand due to it being on the grounds that
Originally by: Vuk Lau [.]we got 90% of our caps and supercaps[.]
Screenshot of Titan in space is made,.. Showing nothing unusual just an avatar on scan OMG SHOCKING,..
GM replies DOESNT confirm what was in space,..
Bet shouldnt stand as it was made on the grounds that 90% was returned, its impossible to verify and even if its true GMs taking them away changes everything,..
So really Fred0 what exactly did you guys say and what was true, I know I am branded an old MIA troll but really linking quotes from Vuk himself contradicting himself over and over as well as you is the only thing thats been consistent in this whole thing,..
While im at it, theres alot of unusual things unanswered still, like why a GM intervened (assuming WN got hold of the titan(s) first, returned the ghost ship instead of removing it,..
I am eager to see these petitions made about WN having the titans,..
That 90% figure is useless pretty much. We've explained countless times exactly how this works and that what we found where the ones that jumped out correctly, loaded in the new system, logged off, respawned wrongly in 6nj. Those caps and supercaps respawned again in the exit cyno system post DT.
When this happened there were loads of rumours and **** going round. Trolling etc. Now when the dust has cleared we know that this has happened and been petitioned before just like we did yesterday. We also know for a fact that there is a problem with buggy code/database issues which allows ships to jump between systems and both die and still be in space. It's quite likely a judgement call on whether the ship should be dead or alive but imho the first bug is that the ship reappears in the fight system. Imho this bug we've experienced is two wrongs that does indeed make a right. The first GM ruling against PL seems agree with that.
The WN petition thingy I actually don't know if happened but it should be pretty straightforward. The ship should belong to the pilot that was in it originally, it was highly unlikely the WN guy would return it and as such it was seized and given to it's correct, albeit disputable owner. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
zljuka
Caldari Dark Voodoo Cult Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:05:00 -
[464]
Mass testing will take place this Tuesday, June 22, at 20:00 UTC
we shall help CCP, lags are becoming not simply embarecing, they start to destroy the game
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Josiphine Noir
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:05:00 -
[465]
So can I assume that everyone who is calling for these ships to be removed from the game would themselves just self destruct those ships if they were in the same situation?
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:10:00 -
[466]
Another black mark on NC tbh,..
While there is alot yet to be explained in this titan drama, like why GMs were so quick to return dead titans to NC and why these ships are still live and active, theres just so much thats happened in the past that makes NCs history quite comical,..
I would like to remind everyone that this isnt the first unusual situation, the NC moon goo exploit which went 'unnoticed' for years and was only brought to light when NC didnt enjoy the exploiting competition, in the end it only got 2 people banned (most likely temp banned),..
Not only that Vuk Lau has openly on several occasions (even in this thread) openly announced to having some sort of elite way into getting his views across / noticed to the point where he has some control over actions in the game,..
NC generally use this lag drama to their advantage and the first time it backfire they magically get titans spawned and within minutes get them returned from enemies VIA PETITIONS,..
I strongly urge internal affairs to look into NC, elite connections and the true affiliations between certain GMs and certain members of NC starting with Vuk Lau,..
I am sure if this was an SC situation there would be a whole lot of flame going on right now, I understand Rawr are not allowed to post as Vuk "will deal with this himself",..
tldr - its good to be back
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
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Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:13:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Deki Edited by: Deki on 18/06/2010 15:39:49 Edited by: Deki on 18/06/2010 15:39:13
Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
well in this case at the very least the "duplicated assets" should be seized untill the investigation is complete. then dealt with appropriately
Or killmails should be removed cause those ships were never killed?
Btw LadyScarlet I expect you apologize for calling me a liar. Also all the guys who wanted to bet on me trolling pls send isk to Vuk Lau if you have any e-honour.
On more serious note, this is the reason why I started whole this drama
Originally by: Vuk Lau Only way to bring this huge problematic issue to CCP is to give it public attention. I could be a ***** as many were before who experienced the same spawning of dead caps, and not to risk possible losing all the caps and supercaps we found. I cant say how thankful I am to CCP for making this awesome game, but also I despise their policy of "put problem under the rag" or "stay silent **** while **** calms on its own" If I didnt smacked this on CAOD and awaken all the trolls of New Eden, this would most likely go unnoticed. At the end of the day, most important things in EVE are my friends and ppl I play with. God knows I lost so many of them cause they stopped playing due to EVE being horribly buggy. I know I may sound :whiteknight: but I have given opportunity to try and change things in EVE, and be sure I will use it. Bitter ppl call me biased, but anyone who really knows me, is aware that pure ****. We cant allow this to just be ignored by CCP.
Now with people from both sides massively petition this ****up, also lot of them canceling accounts, CSM will maybe get a proper answer on the issue of TQ being crap, during Iceland summit. Most of you guys who said we would most likely get "Yes, we are working on it" response from CCP are right. But I dare CCP to ignore their massive failures with Dominion and Tyrannis and making 0.0 completely unplayable, after all this attention.
I hope for the sake of all of us, that CCP will reevaluate their politics of dumping unfinished and buggy expansion and focus on fixing all the content they pumped into EVE for all this years. Sadly, despite me being optimistic, as long as their subscriber numbers are raising, they probably wont, but I cant sit and do nothing, while all of us are loosing nerves and time cause game is unplayable.
I am sorry for all the nontrolls and nonsmackers who went emo because of this. Sadly we are all suffering from this, sometimes one side, sometimes other side, and sometimes both sides, but as long we are swallowing current condition of the servers CCP will not prioritize fixing it.
Vuk Lau (sadly Vuk Lau account is permabanned from EVE-O so no more sexy CSM tag by my posts) :D
MY CEO, BEST CEO
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:22:00 -
[468]
Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 16:24:02
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED Another black mark on NC tbh,..
lol dude, you have to be the most bitter eve-alt I have ever heard about. You can't get any more biased or ******ed than you dude.
I think you even have snotshot and windypops beat tbfh. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
NC DamageControl
Caldari Stellar Convertors
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:48:00 -
[469]
Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 16:24:02
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED Another black mark on NC tbh,..
lol dude, you have to be the most bitter eve-alt I have ever heard about. You can't get any more biased or ******ed than you dude.
I think you even have snotshot and windypops beat tbfh.
Don't be so hard on yourself. And where's Vuk? Are you the new Damage Control in here?
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 16:55:00 -
[470]
Originally by: Josiphine Noir So can I assume that everyone who is calling for these ships to be removed from the game would themselves just self destruct those ships if they were in the same situation?
Why SD, when they should be removed by GM's ? --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
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Xynosura
Caldari Rim Collection Productions
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:09:00 -
[471]
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED ...why GMs were so quick to return dead titans to NC and why these ships are still live and active
I have a hard time figuring out if you're a terrible troll or failed your English test and reading comprehension.
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Josiphine Noir
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:12:00 -
[472]
Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: Josiphine Noir So can I assume that everyone who is calling for these ships to be removed from the game would themselves just self destruct those ships if they were in the same situation?
Why SD, when they should be removed by GM's ?
Well that would require them to actually tell a GM that this happened, but why waste thier time petitioning to have your ships taken away when clearly it would be more honorable to self destruct it because you knew it already got killed and have the lossmail to prove it?
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IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:12:00 -
[473]
Those who bet, pay up!
LoL at the bitter alits in here crying about CCP being biased, sorry guys but none of you are kugu 2.0 __________________________________
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Robert Ger
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:30:00 -
[474]
Hello Eve online, my name is robert ger... i try in englisch to explain, as i
yestorday logged in in this alt/main what ever, spoke Imperian about the
fight, i have loggs pictures etc ... and im know what rlly happend.
first : TS , some dudes have ts record, i dont, but im alrdy hear about the
sense, and there was order after jump, with black screen to relogg!
two : replaced **** ? not rly or ? imperian told me tehre were ghost ships, and they have all stuff back, only
"destroyed" items were unrecorvable... so imperian had that destroyed wyvren from mr Kidrob, he poastet me a image
link where he seat in wyvren that have only small ammount of fittet items here picture link: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4710014352_0d36895888_b.jpg and here KB link: http://www.eve-co2.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=59927
looks smillar right ? :)
here chatlog: [ 2010.06.17 19:37:40 ] Robert Ger > so ein pech nur 2 ? [ 2010.06.17 19:38:07 ] Imperian > keine ahnung ehrlich gesagt, da waren so
viele titans nach der downtime in a-a [ 2010.06.17 19:38:21 ] Imperian > wir haben einfach alle genommen und
erstmal safe gebracht [ 2010.06.17 19:38:27 ] Imperian > ich sitze in kidrobs wyvern :P [ 2010.06.17 19:38:59 ] Robert Ger > lolz [ 2010.06.17 19:39:17 ] Imperian > da fehlen genau die module, die auf der
killmail als destroyed sind [ 2010.06.17 19:39:27 ] Robert Ger > jo genau ..... [ 2010.06.17 19:39:48 ] Imperian > glaubst mir nicht ? [ 2010.06.17 19:40:10 ] Wrik Hoover > hi [ 2010.06.17 19:40:46 ] Imperian >
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4710014352_0d36895888_b.jpg [ 2010.06.17 19:41:32 ] Wrik Hoover > lScherlich [ 2010.06.17 19:41:48 ] Robert Ger > klor [ 2010.06.17 19:42:03 ] Robert Ger > hst eher 20 davon ^^ [ 2010.06.17 19:42:06 ] Imperian > hehe [ 2010.06.17 19:42:18 ] Imperian > der wird sich freuen wenn er heim kommt [ 2010.06.17 19:42:31 ] Imperian > der hat sich schon sorgen gemacht, dass
er sich keine neue leisten kann [ 2010.06.17 19:42:33 ] Robert Ger > ich glaub ich mach das auch mega
petition wo ich nberall im lagg schiffe verliere petentioniere ich es [ 2010.06.17 19:42:42 ] Robert Ger > soll er doch minern gehen ^^ [ 2010.06.17 19:42:49 ] Imperian > das hat nichts mit petition zu tun [ 2010.06.17 19:42:56 ] Imperian > die caps sind gestern aus 6nj
rausgesprungen
so im think the true story are: im try to explain it_ server side, the ships was destroyed, but have ben copied ? maybe, so thy got copied by bug to jump dest as destroyed ships, because:! isk for loss got paid, ships was only with not destroyed modules in a-a
there some guy named ione sky, or limu bay same actor talking much dumb things on german forums, just crap he is telling we shot GHOST SHIPS Lol, if u do a fleetfight in lagg u know when ships a) destroyed b) jumped, yea u see the ghost ships, but U CANNT TARGET IT ANYMORE..
so discuss pls
srry for englisch , and more hate
Originally by: Katsina Imperian, he is my hero, I love him, I am going to hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:33:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Josiphine Noir
Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: Josiphine Noir So can I assume that everyone who is calling for these ships to be removed from the game would themselves just self destruct those ships if they were in the same situation?
Why SD, when they should be removed by GM's ?
Well that would require them to actually tell a GM that this happened, but why waste thier time petitioning to have your ships taken away when clearly it would be more honorable to self destruct it because you knew it already got killed and have the lossmail to prove it?
I see you don't understand game mechanics that well. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
Gertrud ToD
Minmatar Terrorists of Dimensions Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:37:00 -
[476]
something that i find really amazing: when the northern campaign website did not include the russians etc. NC was whining alot about them not being counted to SC. a while later they where added to that website, NC, in the total history still didnt score the major points/isk/whatever.
now the russians score a major victory, and NC is telling SC people that they shouldnt be posting here since this would be a russian only victory..
seriously NC, make up your mind.
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Mistress Suffering
Amarr Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:38:00 -
[477]
Edited by: Mistress Suffering on 18/06/2010 17:39:10 *edit* reading comprehension ftw
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:38:00 -
[478]
GM confirmed ships were 'destroyed'.
CCP are not known to be knee jerk reactionaries, this is why I pay to play.
Looks like the verdict has been arrived at, we're just awaiting them tracking down all items relevant to the case and we can expect it all to be 'corrected'.
Zymurgist ACCIDENTALLY my thargoid |
Ilsea
Minmatar Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:43:00 -
[479]
Originally by: Spurty GM confirmed ships were 'destroyed'.
CCP are not known to be knee jerk reactionaries, this is why I pay to play.
Looks like the verdict has been arrived at, we're just awaiting them tracking down all items relevant to the case and we can expect it all to be 'corrected'.
CCP confirmed that killmails where made. How many supercaps have been killed confirmed and the pilot has them due to a rollback from server crashes. That doesn't mean **** toward ccp removing the ships from the nc. Simple fact is ccp noticed a **** up and might actually look into it this time rather then blowing it off.
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IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:44:00 -
[480]
Originally by: Gertrud ToD something that i find really amazing: when the northern campaign website did not include the russians etc. NC was whining alot about them not being counted to SC. a while later they where added to that website, NC, in the total history still didnt score the major points/isk/whatever.
now the russians score a major victory, and NC is telling SC people that they shouldnt be posting here since this would be a russian only victory..
seriously NC, make up your mind.
That was when they were ALL attacking. Now it's JUST the russians. __________________________________
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Tiger's Spirit
Caldari 24th Imperial Guard
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:45:00 -
[481]
Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 18/06/2010 14:08:32
Originally by: Fred0 Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale.
No. It only happened before to PL and now NC. It never happened to anyone else in EVE.
Please give an answer to me. Anything else lost titans with gridload error ? NO. PLs did because IT played to gridloadbug. Man try to playing with balls and try to fight and do not just search the exploits, lagbubbles and other server errors.
Anything elso lost titan when jumped out from system and killed after jump 2 hours later ? NO You will crying when you lost your titan in the battle system when you jumped out from there and flying alone in an another system ? I think you would make it then too.
So just stfu and using your brain.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:52:00 -
[482]
Wasn't the original purpose of the CSM when it was first incarnated to keep checks on such things so there is no more things ala T20 scandal stuff.
I am sure the CSM will rise to the occasion and have an unbiased approach to this new development.
Wait... isn't Vuk on the CSM?... oh shi..
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baltec1
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:53:00 -
[483]
So technically does this mean the NC have/will/might end up losing 12 titans?
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:53:00 -
[484]
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
So just stfu and using your brain.
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Eklykti
Caldari Zion foundation Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:54:00 -
[485]
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Hi CCP, did you ever heard about a database feature called "Transactions"?
OK, I hope you know about it and work on it already, and you'll remove all the illegally duplicated items (killmails show that they are destroyed, right? And you reimbursement policy is to not reimburse ships destroyed during a fleet fight).
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:56:00 -
[486]
Okàà.so what all this boils down to is there are 2 stages to Fleet fights now?
1.If you have Fleet fight where C&SCs are ôdestroyedö and wrecks looted you mustà.
2.Wait until after DT, control multiple hostile systems with cyno beacons, and scan down all the floating Super Caps you destroyed so you can board them or maybe destroy them again?
Can CCP have two types of KMs generated now? The first being if the ship was actually destroyed and the second being that itÆs not destroyed yet ôbut if you go to system XXX after DT you can try board or destroy itö...
If this is a new game mechanic I am going to train up for Titans so I can follow Fleet fights around and claim floating Super Caps each DT!!!
Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!! |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:58:00 -
[487]
Originally by: Marlona Sky Wasn't the original purpose of the CSM when it was first incarnated to keep checks on such things so there is no more things ala T20 scandal stuff.
I am sure the CSM will rise to the occasion and have an unbiased approach to this new development.
Wait... isn't Vuk on the CSM?... oh shi..
Christ, this is getting bad. CSM is supposed to be for bringing suggestions and issues from the players to CCP. What you're thinking of is more likely to be IA, or Internal Affairs.
Your tinfoil hat is getting pretty oversized.
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Dank Man
Minmatar FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:59:00 -
[488]
Edited by: Dank Man on 18/06/2010 18:02:32 lets all agree to show up to mass testing on tuesday. at least 500-1000 of us =D.
i understand NCs frustration with losing ships that had jumped out, but what about the people who were attacking those ships and had no idea they jumped out and subsequently lost their ships... ROL WN and team risked their assets to attack and destroy NC assets, does not seem fair that NC would benefit from replaced ships when all the attackers get left out to dry, what the point...
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Ilsea
Minmatar Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.18 17:59:00 -
[489]
Edited by: Ilsea on 18/06/2010 18:02:09
Originally by: Eklykti
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Hi CCP, did you ever heard about a database feature called "Transactions"?
OK, I hope you know about it and work on it already, and you'll remove all the illegally duplicated items (killmails show that they are destroyed, right? And you reimbursement policy is to not reimburse ships destroyed during a fleet fight).
are you ******ed? Those ships would have never shown up as killmails if ccps **** had worked right. Every titan found floating in space the next day are the same titans that had jumped out, waited a few hours and logged out. Those titans after logging out came right back to local and were killed.
I have 2 killmails from shrike where I killed him, he still had the ship the next day from rollbacks. Does that mean we get to take his ship also??? Also, nothing was said about the ships being reimbursed idiot.
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Zuquar Bonaparte
Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:02:00 -
[490]
Originally by: IronGoldenEagle
Originally by: Gertrud ToD something that i find really amazing: when the northern campaign website did not include the russians etc. NC was whining alot about them not being counted to SC. a while later they where added to that website, NC, in the total history still didnt score the major points/isk/whatever.
now the russians score a major victory, and NC is telling SC people that they shouldnt be posting here since this would be a russian only victory..
seriously NC, make up your mind.
That was when they were ALL attacking. Now it's JUST the russians.
afaik, co2 had no russians on the field , we was present with atleast 3 titans and 2 supercarriers, so pls stop calling us russians or ill be very offended, no disrespect meant towards our russian friends btw we still love you very much white noise and red alliance for planning such a perfect trap based on the fact that NC was so arrogant as usuall and thought they wouldnt be punished for useing titans in such a foolish manner. REBELION your next , we are waiting for your titan to get out of forcefield.
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:04:00 -
[491]
Originally by: Eklykti
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Hi CCP, did you ever heard about a database feature called "Transactions"?
OK, I hope you know about it and work on it already, and you'll remove all the illegally duplicated items (killmails show that they are destroyed, right? And you reimbursement policy is to not reimburse ships destroyed during a fleet fight).
heh, politics... i remember few years ago, during max campain, nc got all theyr cap fleet reimbursed to a dead node; then few weeks later, in e-7 TRI/WN lost they'r cap fleets to a dead node also...and guess what? not even one capital was reimbursed let's wait and see
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FlameGlow
Caldari Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:07:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte REBELION your next , we are waiting for your titan to get out of forcefield.
special offer - for only 50 bil we'll bump him out
Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
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Rebnott Valeri
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:09:00 -
[493]
Originally by: LadyScarlet lol, I wont apologies for questioning suspicious activity's in eve by anyone. And more so by anyone wearing a official tag that represents the people of eve. If im wrong im wrong how ever if the tables were reversed im sure there be no difference in the questions prob just 500 pages longer and a hell a lot more accusations. At the end of the day IF CCP fixes the game and fair play for all then my job is done.
Lady :)
So you didn't take the bet then?
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hybridundertaker
Amarr coracao ardente
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:12:00 -
[494]
dead titans, me likes. dead titans coming back, me not like that much. ccp pls keep dead titans well and properly dead.
im sure it has been said before in the thread but still, i cant resist the temptation: welcome to the north!
EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER |
Robert Ger
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:15:00 -
[495]
im sure nc discovered how to open a road betwen two systems and ships nirvana! thy just jump the ships back and laugh that other peapole dieng ... or just maybe after last server crasch we use now WOW code ? anyways not good for this game
Originally by: Katsina Imperian, he is my hero, I love him, I am going to hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George.
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Zuquar Bonaparte
Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:15:00 -
[496]
Originally by: FlameGlow
Originally by: Zuquar Bonaparte REBELION your next , we are waiting for your titan to get out of forcefield.
special offer - for only 50 bil we'll bump him out
hmm good deal, specially if those 50b could be cloned so i still have them in my wallet afterwards, or maybe i need to be a csm b4 being able to do that.
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Rebnott Valeri
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:18:00 -
[497]
Originally by: Gertrud ToD something that i find really amazing: when the northern campaign website did not include the russians etc. NC was whining alot about them not being counted to SC. a while later they where added to that website, NC, in the total history still didnt score the major points/isk/whatever.
now the russians score a major victory, and NC is telling SC people that they shouldnt be posting here since this would be a russian only victory..
seriously NC, make up your mind.
Yeah we are losing all our space as you speak. I, personally, am evacuating now!
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gigX
Caldari SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:43:00 -
[498]
Edited by: gigX on 18/06/2010 18:43:25
Originally by: Rebnott Valeri
Originally by: Gertrud ToD something that i find really amazing: when the northern campaign website did not include the russians etc. NC was whining alot about them not being counted to SC. a while later they where added to that website, NC, in the total history still didnt score the major points/isk/whatever.
now the russians score a major victory, and NC is telling SC people that they shouldnt be posting here since this would be a russian only victory..
seriously NC, make up your mind.
Yeah we are losing all our space as you speak. I, personally, am evacuating now!
That will not be your first time ...The power without control is nothing... |
Elektrea
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:46:00 -
[499]
Originally by: gigX Edited by: gigX on 18/06/2010 18:43:25
Originally by: Rebnott Valeri
Originally by: Gertrud ToD something that i find really amazing: when the northern campaign website did not include the russians etc. NC was whining alot about them not being counted to SC. a while later they where added to that website, NC, in the total history still didnt score the major points/isk/whatever.
now the russians score a major victory, and NC is telling SC people that they shouldnt be posting here since this would be a russian only victory..
seriously NC, make up your mind.
Yeah we are losing all our space as you speak. I, personally, am evacuating now!
That will not be your first time
you make it sound like co2 did all the work. You committed what, two titans? ----------
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Zuquar Bonaparte
Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.18 18:50:00 -
[500]
Originally by: Elektrea
Originally by: gigX Edited by: gigX on 18/06/2010 18:43:25
Originally by: Rebnott Valeri
Originally by: Gertrud ToD something that i find really amazing: when the northern campaign website did not include the russians etc. NC was whining alot about them not being counted to SC. a while later they where added to that website, NC, in the total history still didnt score the major points/isk/whatever.
now the russians score a major victory, and NC is telling SC people that they shouldnt be posting here since this would be a russian only victory..
seriously NC, make up your mind.
Yeah we are losing all our space as you speak. I, personally, am evacuating now!
That will not be your first time
you make it sound like co2 did all the work. You committed what, two titans?
hmm you make it sound like PL had anything to do with anything , you commited what 2 shuttles?
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:07:00 -
[501]
Originally by: Elektrea
Originally by: gigX Edited by: gigX on 18/06/2010 18:43:25
Originally by: Rebnott Valeri
Originally by: Gertrud ToD something that i find really amazing: when the northern campaign website did not include the russians etc. NC was whining alot about them not being counted to SC. a while later they where added to that website, NC, in the total history still didnt score the major points/isk/whatever.
now the russians score a major victory, and NC is telling SC people that they shouldnt be posting here since this would be a russian only victory..
seriously NC, make up your mind.
Yeah we are losing all our space as you speak. I, personally, am evacuating now!
That will not be your first time
you make it sound like co2 did all the work. You committed what, two titans?
You make it sound like titans are worthless and they grow in Providence, in alt corp in UK ... oh wait. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
Golemag
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:11:00 -
[502]
posting in a vak lau troll thread
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speedek
Amarr Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:19:00 -
[503]
Originally by: Golemag posting in a vak lau troll thread
why?
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Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:19:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
So just stfu and using your brain.
Maybe you should learn English before you start talking about brains, genius.
As for your analogy, are you saying that nobody ever lost a capital to lag desinc while trying to jump out of system in the past 7 months? I know for a fact that SC did, we just don't whine about it, we move on. I never heard of any ships spawning back after downtime after they lost them till now. Again, no one ever got their ships back except PL and now NC. That smells like a rat to me.
The truth will set you free
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Josiphine Noir
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:23:00 -
[505]
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
So just stfu and using your brain.
Maybe you should learn English before you start talking about brains, genius.
As for your analogy, are you saying that nobody ever lost a capital to lag desinc while trying to jump out of system in the past 7 months? I know for a fact that SC did, we just don't whine about it, we move on. I never heard of any ships spawning back after downtime after they lost them till now. Again, no one ever got their ships back except PL and now NC. That smells like a rat to me.
You would know what rats smell like now that you're back down in delve killing them right?
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FU10011101
Minmatar FU00000000
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:25:00 -
[506]
how about this: all you SC alliances and other stupid ****s just go back sucking eachothers ****s :D NC will be there always and there is **** all you can do for it. have a very nice day
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IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:28:00 -
[507]
Originally by: Josiphine Noir
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
So just stfu and using your brain.
Maybe you should learn English before you start talking about brains, genius.
As for your analogy, are you saying that nobody ever lost a capital to lag desinc while trying to jump out of system in the past 7 months? I know for a fact that SC did, we just don't whine about it, we move on. I never heard of any ships spawning back after downtime after they lost them till now. Again, no one ever got their ships back except PL and now NC. That smells like a rat to me.
You would know what rats smell like now that you're back down in delve killing them right?
QFT, and for epic burn value __________________________________
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:29:00 -
[508]
Edited by: Mynxee on 18/06/2010 19:30:09
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Marlona Sky Wasn't the original purpose of the CSM when it was first incarnated to keep checks on such things so there is no more things ala T20 scandal stuff.
I am sure the CSM will rise to the occasion and have an unbiased approach to this new development.
Wait... isn't Vuk on the CSM?... oh shi..
Christ, this is getting bad. CSM is supposed to be for bringing suggestions and issues from the players to CCP. What you're thinking of is more likely to be IA, or Internal Affairs.
Your tinfoil hat is getting pretty oversized.
Actually Marlona is essentially correct. Although its role has evolved to focus more on player raised issues,
Quote: The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the ôgreatest good for the greater player baseö. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe.
This text was taken from the CSM Summary written by CCP Xhagen. The way I interpret it, demanding transparency from CCP related to suspected CCP wrong-doing in-game is still within the CSM's charter. If CCP doesn't report to players about 6NJgate before next week's Summit, I'm sure CSM will be asking questions. Whether we get answers--or can share them--or are able to convince CCP to do so--remains to be seen.
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Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:30:00 -
[509]
Originally by: Josiphine Noir
You would know what rats smell like now that you're back down in delve killing them right?
Nope, sorry. All the rats have moved to Curse.
The truth will set you free
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Azzma
Amarr D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.18 19:31:00 -
[510]
What's really the issue is this lag sucks. We should'nt blame each other we should look at CCP. Go tell them Vuk Lau. CCP are idiots.
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Captain Thunk
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:07:00 -
[511]
Originally by: Metal Dude
As for your analogy, are you saying that nobody ever lost a capital to lag desinc while trying to jump out of system in the past 7 months? I know for a fact that SC did, we just don't whine about it, we move on. I never heard of any ships spawning back after downtime after they lost them till now. Again, no one ever got their ships back except PL and now NC. That smells like a rat to me.
We stated pilotless ships respawned at D/T after Y-2 quite clearly. Unfortunately both you and the GMs were far too busy trolling at the time to read the complicated words we were typing.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:19:00 -
[512]
england, worst at world cup c/d?
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CCP Adida
Gallente C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:34:00 -
[513]
removed some trolling
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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MissBolyai
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:54:00 -
[514]
It's pretty obvious that the NC titans simply had unlocked the spy watch that lets you feign death.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.18 20:59:00 -
[515]
Originally by: Mynxee Edited by: Mynxee on 18/06/2010 20:11:59
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Marlona Sky Wasn't the original purpose of the CSM when it was first incarnated to keep checks on such things so there is no more things ala T20 scandal stuff.
I am sure the CSM will rise to the occasion and have an unbiased approach to this new development.
Wait... isn't Vuk on the CSM?... oh shi..
Christ, this is getting bad. CSM is supposed to be for bringing suggestions and issues from the players to CCP. What you're thinking of is more likely to be IA, or Internal Affairs.
Your tinfoil hat is getting pretty oversized.
Actually Marlona is essentially correct. Although its role has evolved to focus more on player raised issues,
Quote: The purpose of the CSM is to represent society interests to CCP. This requires active engagement with the player community to master EVE issue awareness, understanding, and evaluation in the context of the ôgreatest good for the greater player baseö. The scope of issues is restricted only to EVE, its ongoing development, and limited meta (out-of-game) issues which have direct relevance to the EVE universe.
This text was taken from the CSM Summary written by CCP Xhagen. The way I interpret it, demanding transparency from CCP related to suspected CCP wrong-doing in-game is still within the CSM's charter. If CCP doesn't report to players about "6NJgate" before next week's Summit, I'm sure CSM will be asking questions. Whether we get answers--or can share them--or are able to convince CCP to do so--remains to be seen.
/me tips hat, which surprisingly, is not made out of tinfoil
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Orthosz
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 21:30:00 -
[516]
I'd like to throw this onto the fire:
After Y8R fell without a single reinforcement timer (Ihub in system, station system), the GM's told WI that it was indeed an error, shouldn't have happened, and to **** off because they weren't going to fix it as it would affect alliance warfare.
Has that policy of "**** happens, deal with it" changed? Or does it change only when CCP feels like it depending on who's fighting?
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Zakon
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2010.06.18 21:48:00 -
[517]
Originally by: CCP Adida removed some trolling
Maybe u guys in CCP should concentrate and use more time in removing bugs from this game instead off playing editors on forums?
Game issues are getting more and more embarrassing.
Nice new copy paste/spawn Titan feature in game between!
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FU10011101
Minmatar FU00000000
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Posted - 2010.06.18 22:16:00 -
[518]
so i was trolling when i told what SC and theyre pals are? or TRI and all other bitter people? i have been fighting these same bitter people for years and still they cant get anything done. must be frustrating.. NC will always stay and your ego will shrink even more.
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Xcessum
Caldari War Tactical Groups White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 22:39:00 -
[519]
Edited by: Xcessum on 18/06/2010 22:43:46 I'm just going to leave it here for those of you who are interested in what the hell happened in 6nj (and are familiar with Russian language).
Link to Russian EVE-O forum: Linkage
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Greg DaimYo
Caldari Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.18 22:53:00 -
[520]
Let me try to summarize:
NC attacked a POS in Venal. Sneaky russians (and serbs to give props to Co2 even I despise them after todays wc-match where our trusty polish err I mean german lineup failed like LIONS) thought that the NC would bring their new fotm roaming titans and therefore laid a TARP. Which was pretty cool.
Bait worked. NC jumped in. Counterdrop logged/jumped in. NC went OhSHI- and tried to bail out. Two titans never loaded grid and therefore died in a fire.
4 more titans actually loaded and jumped out to their emergency-cyno in A-A. The server is getting ****tier while all this is happening. The titans who managed to get out log out/crash. Server goes :ccp: and kicks all the caps that jumped out including the supers back to 6NJ in order to get killed.
So far so bad. Now things calm down. People go to sleep. After serverdowntime a true NC-hero (read: carebear) decides that plexing in Venal is fun and starts to scan in A-A in his super-pve-tengu and is surprised that Guristas started to spawn Supercaps.
NC scrambles to the system and boards EVERYTHING that doesn't manage to log out in time (a special pilot from WE FORM VOLTRON is obviously still to harmed by the incident to speak about it, which is very understandable).
While all this is happening Vuk Lau (mighty leader of NC and isn't afraid of anything) starts to troll the **** out of CAOD and gets plenty of replies by extremely (and I am amazed of the amount) bitter people, that somehow seem to have a gripe with the NC. He probably manages to get filthy richier than he already is by exploiting all his little NC-drones by trolling people into bets. Official statement by a GM is made that basically confirms the story and bans Vuk from the forums in a real kugu-move.
:GG: I am amazed.
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.18 22:57:00 -
[521]
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.
I fail to see the words "Kill mails were generated". All I read is affirmation, the ships that were 'killed' includes super-capitals.
Thanks for your attempted spin mr goonie 'NC alty-mc-faulty' clue. Back to whatever failure low sec bombing of towers and diaf to 10 frigates or whatever is is you're doing.
Zymurgist ACCIDENTALLY my thargoid |
C4w3
Minmatar Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:05:00 -
[522]
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Josiphine Noir
You would know what rats smell like now that you're back down in delve killing them right?
Nope, sorry. All the rats have moved to Curse.
C im there killing em <3 summer love from SE. ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Thorir
Gallente Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 00:11:00 -
[523]
I don't really care whether NC gets their titan back or not.
Just posting to put pressure on CCP to investigate this with transparency.
I guess they have to stop advertising the massive fleet battle aspect of the game, e.g. shown in Dominion trailer.
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Ilene D'over
Amarr Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.19 00:17:00 -
[524]
I love how IT, COW, Atlas, etc, are all sniping from the sidelines, having run away from the North, licking their wounds.
Congrats to WN/Ruskies for a well laid trap and kudos to the NC for using their supercapitals in a fight. ===== 100th level Black Liquorice Belt exponent in that great Lancastrian Martial Art of Eckythump.
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Hyperdallas
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.19 00:28:00 -
[525]
Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:37:01 Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:34:12 Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:32:03 Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:28:54 CCP, look...
The players of eve wants you to STOP ADDING NEW STUFF TO GAME AND MAKING IT MORE BUGGY,
And just please fix it, with this lag, so called " data base issue bull**** " And even upgrade your hardware AND FIX eve code to allow to have 1k players in 1 system at a time, even you know eve will automaticaly notice this system exampe hed-gp start rising in activity and give to more threads, more cpu power what ever the **** you do for that, OR pay 1 person to be a human controling this stuff 24/7
Thank you wiki Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[3]
You have 5 million profit in 2008 and even more i can assume in 2009, ALL we ask is for you to provide a game for us that is playable, even sometimes systems with 8 ppl is lagging like hell... once again that comes into you need to fix this game and stop blaiming database issues.
now i purpose new servers as last time was 2007? Better managment of server - player code
To all who agree hopefully we can start a peition to tell ccp to stop ****ing up and listen to the players, after all we are the ones that spends our life playing a game we love..
SO RECAP
Make eve able to run on MULTIABLE processors ( dual 8 core) but your ****ty code not able to do it FIX IT STOP ADDING NEW EXPANSIONS WHICH **** THE GAME MORE STOP GIVING BULL**** ANSWERS SAYING " DATABASE ISSUES " Fix code Fix code Fix code Fix code Fix code
thats all hapar had to say and deal with all my typos because i could not good 2 ****s =)
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Cyrus Doul
Caldari Cosmic Vacum Cleaners Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 00:52:00 -
[526]
Originally by: Spurty Edited by: Spurty on 18/06/2010 22:57:45
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.
I fail to see the words "Kill mails were generated". All I read is affirmation, the ships that were 'killed'. The members of this elite set of dead ships includes super-capitals.
Thanks for your attempted spin mr goonie 'NC alty-mc-faulty' clue. Back to whatever failure low sec bombing of towers and diaf to 10 frigates or whatever is is you're doing.
Go to killboards. all six are posted, and unless someone got REALLY bored writing up six 150+ aggressor kms and faked the API verification on at least one of them they all happened.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.19 00:54:00 -
[527]
Originally by: GM Grimmi One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.
Just making sure you all realize that CCP confirms those ships NC are toting around are in fact the ghost ships. The real ones perished in flames. Only after DT did these ghost ships appear. So stop trying to spin this into, "Our ships made it out and the ones that died were the ghost." damage control.
Do not get too attached NC. I await the tears as CCP removes them from the game, hopefully soon before NC uses these ships in combat and that in fact should be borderline exploit. If they do not, then there is some serious, I mean serious meta-gaming bull**** going on.
CSM, I await your findings as well. Anyways, all the rest of the EVE community can do is just wait to see how far this rabbit hole goes.
Vuk, how much ISK did you lose?
Also, in before the NC spin... I mean in after the NC spi... oh.. **** it. This whole thread has been NC spin damage control on overload.
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Minigin
Caldari Trinity Corp WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.19 01:11:00 -
[528]
Originally by: Greg DaimYo Let me try to summarize:
NC attacked a POS in Venal. Sneaky russians (and serbs to give props to Co2 even I despise them after todays wc-match where our trusty polish err I mean german lineup failed like LIONS) thought that the NC would bring their new fotm roaming titans and therefore laid a TARP. Which was pretty cool.
Bait worked. NC jumped in. Counterdrop logged/jumped in. NC went OhSHI- and tried to bail out. Two titans never loaded grid and therefore died in a fire.
4 more titans actually loaded and jumped out to their emergency-cyno in A-A. The server is getting ****tier while all this is happening. The titans who managed to get out log out/crash. Server goes :ccp: and kicks all the caps that jumped out including the supers back to 6NJ in order to get killed.
So far so bad. Now things calm down. People go to sleep. After serverdowntime a true NC-hero (read: carebear) decides that plexing in Venal is fun and starts to scan in A-A in his super-pve-tengu and is surprised that Guristas started to spawn Supercaps.
NC scrambles to the system and boards EVERYTHING that doesn't manage to log out in time (a special pilot from WE FORM VOLTRON is obviously still to harmed by the incident to speak about it, which is very understandable).
While all this is happening Vuk Lau (mighty leader of NC and isn't afraid of anything) starts to troll the **** out of CAOD and gets plenty of replies by extremely (and I am amazed of the amount) bitter people, that somehow seem to have a gripe with the NC. He probably manages to get filthy richier than he already is by exploiting all his little NC-drones by trolling people into bets. Official statement by a GM is made that basically confirms the story and bans Vuk from the forums in a real kugu-move.
:GG: I am amazed.
i for one want to know what you call this fantasy land where you lose a slab of your sc fleet due to your own poor choices/fcing yet attempt to damage control it by blaming it on anything but yourselves and assuming ccp will let these respawned titans live, then you believe you are the ones "trolling" people despite this.
"Vuk Lau > stay away from public forums for the next little while"
he really has always thought himself smarter than the rest of you and had he not he would have listend to his own rules.
if vuk wants this game fixed so badly, so that its playable rather than winnable... he knows how to do it. the solution does not involve crying to ccp or pretending that csms get anything done.
predicitons: nothing will change.
lemmings will be lemmings and your coalitions will continue to think they are hot ****, while in fact just being ****.
and thats how to gg someone on the forums. . THE ORIGINAL COLOUR POSTER!
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D |
Crucifier
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.19 01:15:00 -
[529]
kinda funny that if the titans do get removed it will only be because vuk couldnt resist posting here
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Cyrus Doul
Caldari Cosmic Vacum Cleaners Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 02:49:00 -
[530]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: GM Grimmi One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.
Just making sure you all realize that CCP confirms those ships NC are toting around are in fact the ghost ships. The real ones perished in flames. Only after DT did these ghost ships appear. So stop trying to spin this into, "Our ships made it out and the ones that died were the ghost." damage control.
Do not get too attached NC. I await the tears as CCP removes them from the game, hopefully soon before NC uses these ships in combat and that in fact should be borderline exploit. If they do not, then there is some serious, I mean serious meta-gaming bull**** going on.
CSM, I await your findings as well. Anyways, all the rest of the EVE community can do is just wait to see how far this rabbit hole goes.
Vuk, how much ISK did you lose?
Also, in before the NC spin... I mean in after the NC spi... oh.. **** it. This whole thread has been NC spin damage control on overload.
Marlona, ты мне нравишся, но если бы ты не отвечала в форуме на русском, я бы присоединился к R.ol.
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Dogbeast
Minmatar Darkwave Technologies Blade.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 03:23:00 -
[531]
Hasn't the lag been a known issue for a long time? And CCP has yet to do anything about it other than "mass testing." So what makes people think CCP will do anything now?
And as a side note: I recall CVA/Allies doing something similar to this down in D-G, only they did not get anything back from petitions and were told to "suck it up."
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Nambr1
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2010.06.19 03:32:00 -
[532]
Originally by: LadyScarlet lol, I wont apologies for questioning suspicious activity's in eve by anyone. And more so by anyone wearing a official tag that represents the people of eve. If im wrong im wrong how ever if the tables were reversed im sure there be no difference in the questions prob just 500 pages longer and a hell a lot more accusations. At the end of the day IF CCP fixes the game and fair play for all then my job is done.
Lady :)
GoGoGo Lady, u have Velja support :D
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
What r u talking about? Database problems, investigation .... all crap. Do u as GM understand one simple thing ... there r only 2 situations that can happen, and NONE in this game dont care what is UR problem, because ppl pay this game.
Situation 1: I have crap pc or crap internet and I loose ship. That is my problem.
Situation 2: I have good pc, good internet and I have terrible lag with 999 ppl. Same result to any1. Database problems? Investigations? Superman? Who cares? Its UR problem because u and ur team are not able to make this game to work well, and only fools cant see that u r ones who make lag. U developed game thats going bad road, u r offering with every patch more and more pure crap that can satisfy ppl 10 days till they ask themselves what r u ppl doing. I have telephone operator from 1980, that gives better service to ppl then u r. Its technology 30 years old, and u 7 years upgrade game with moons, planets, stations walking, ping pong in stations ... and cant provide basic things. I have corpmate who made petition for ark mission bug, GM reseted something 10 times in 2 mins on him, he lost 2 ships for that and result was nothing ... "Sorry but I cant help you". So everything that is not problem with my pc, OS, internet is ur problem and if u give back ships to some ppl, give them back to all from start of the game or dont give them back to anyone. This sup caps loses have no difference as lost ship in mission, killing ppl in 0.0 from other who r not visible in local, ppl who cant warpout 100km away from bubble while none point them and tones other things that happen every day in system with 20 ppl. Investigations and bla bla bla is biggest fake and cheat that u CCP could make. Yep ... cheat and lie because its all happening on ur side of game, not clients. Shame for answers like this one u make, thats repeating 7 years!
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Josiphine Noir
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 03:36:00 -
[533]
Originally by: Nambr1
Originally by: LadyScarlet lol, I wont apologies for questioning suspicious activity's in eve by anyone. And more so by anyone wearing a official tag that represents the people of eve. If im wrong im wrong how ever if the tables were reversed im sure there be no difference in the questions prob just 500 pages longer and a hell a lot more accusations. At the end of the day IF CCP fixes the game and fair play for all then my job is done.
Lady :)
GoGoGo Lady, u have Velja support :D
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
What r u talking about? Database problems, investigation .... all crap. Do u as GM understand one simple thing ... there r only 2 situations that can happen, and NONE in this game dont care what is UR problem, because ppl pay this game.
Situation 1: I have crap pc or crap internet and I loose ship. That is my problem.
Situation 2: I have good pc, good internet and I have terrible lag with 999 ppl. Same result to any1. Database problems? Investigations? Superman? Who cares? Its UR problem because u and ur team are not able to make this game to work well, and only fools cant see that u r ones who make lag. U developed game thats going bad road, u r offering with every patch more and more pure crap that can satisfy ppl 10 days till they ask themselves what r u ppl doing. I have telephone operator from 1980, that gives better service to ppl then u r. Its technology 30 years old, and u 7 years upgrade game with moons, planets, stations walking, ping pong in stations ... and cant provide basic things. I have corpmate who made petition for ark mission bug, GM reseted something 10 times in 2 mins on him, he lost 2 ships for that and result was nothing ... "Sorry but I cant help you". So everything that is not problem with my pc, OS, internet is ur problem and if u give back ships to some ppl, give them back to all from start of the game or dont give them back to anyone. This sup caps loses have no difference as lost ship in mission, killing ppl in 0.0 from other who r not visible in local, ppl who cant warpout 100km away from bubble while none point them and tones other things that happen every day in system with 20 ppl. Investigations and bla bla bla is biggest fake and cheat that u CCP could make. Yep ... cheat and lie because its all happening on ur side of game, not clients. Shame for answers like this one u make, thats repeating 7 years!
Holy Wall of text batman!! also U mad?
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.19 04:01:00 -
[534]
Originally by: Cyrus Doul
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: GM Grimmi One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.
Just making sure you all realize that CCP confirms those ships NC are toting around are in fact the ghost ships. The real ones perished in flames. Only after DT did these ghost ships appear. So stop trying to spin this into, "Our ships made it out and the ones that died were the ghost." damage control.
Do not get too attached NC. I await the tears as CCP removes them from the game, hopefully soon before NC uses these ships in combat and that in fact should be borderline exploit. If they do not, then there is some serious, I mean serious meta-gaming bull**** going on.
CSM, I await your findings as well. Anyways, all the rest of the EVE community can do is just wait to see how far this rabbit hole goes.
Vuk, how much ISK did you lose?
Also, in before the NC spin... I mean in after the NC spi... oh.. **** it. This whole thread has been NC spin damage control on overload.
Marlona, ты мне нравишся, но если бы ты не отвечала в форуме на русском, я бы присоединился к R.ol.
I don't speak Russian but maybe one of my Russian mates could translate for me.
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Minmatar Assassin
Minmatar Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2010.06.19 05:35:00 -
[535]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Cyrus Doul
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: GM Grimmi One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.
Just making sure you all realize that CCP confirms those ships NC are toting around are in fact the ghost ships. The real ones perished in flames. Only after DT did these ghost ships appear. So stop trying to spin this into, "Our ships made it out and the ones that died were the ghost." damage control.
Do not get too attached NC. I await the tears as CCP removes them from the game, hopefully soon before NC uses these ships in combat and that in fact should be borderline exploit. If they do not, then there is some serious, I mean serious meta-gaming bull**** going on.
CSM, I await your findings as well. Anyways, all the rest of the EVE community can do is just wait to see how far this rabbit hole goes.
Vuk, how much ISK did you lose?
Also, in before the NC spin... I mean in after the NC spi... oh.. **** it. This whole thread has been NC spin damage control on overload.
Marlona, ты мне нравишся, но если бы ты не отвечала в форуме на русском, я бы присоединился к R.ol.
I don't speak Russian but maybe one of my Russian mates could translate for me.
Marlona i like you, but if you could not respond on forums in Russian i would join R.OL.
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 06:04:00 -
[536]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: GM Grimmi One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals.
Just making sure you all realize that CCP confirms those ships NC are toting around are in fact the ghost ships. The real ones perished in flames. Only after DT did these ghost ships appear. So stop trying to spin this into, "Our ships made it out and the ones that died were the ghost." damage control.
I think you're over analyzing it. The GM doesn't adress the original problem at all from our pov and as such he might just be expressing himself clumsily.
Anyways, I don't think you understand the problem. Those titans are irrelevant in this. It's 3-4 Titans and a dozen MS or however many MS it is. I don't know. They can be rebuilt.
The problem is that CCP has had this problem for over 6 months and been covering it up like they always do. Those silly ****s CCP are at it again with their Communist party release as little information as possible so we dont look stupid and hope it goes away policy. They have absolutely zilch idea of what consistent gameplay and making eve-online a believable IG universe means. It's horrendously dissapointing to be here again. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Lee ChanKa
Minmatar WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2010.06.19 06:24:00 -
[537]
i still want to buy that Monkey cloaking device, finishing amar frig on lev 5 in 22 hours because damn ppl in south tank explosive so i cant use hounds ffs..
GM Gandalf contact me in game please
regard lee aka ewqi
AND FIX ****ING ANGEL EPIC ARC MISSIONS
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Del Girl
Gallente Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 07:02:00 -
[538]
What sort of messed up code is there in this game that respawns things when they have been destroyed?
That's some awesome coding for sure!
lol ccp
Del
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Nardman
Amarr FireStar Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.19 07:27:00 -
[539]
Originally by: Hyperdallas Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:37:01 Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:34:12 Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:32:03 Edited by: Hyperdallas on 19/06/2010 00:28:54 CCP, look...
The players of eve wants you to STOP ADDING NEW STUFF TO GAME AND MAKING IT MORE BUGGY,
And just please fix it, with this lag, so called " data base issue bull**** " And even upgrade your hardware AND FIX eve code to allow to have 1k players in 1 system at a time, even you know eve will automaticaly notice this system exampe hed-gp start rising in activity and give to more threads, more cpu power what ever the **** you do for that, OR pay 1 person to be a human controling this stuff 24/7
Thank you wiki Profit ▲ US$5,062,431 at 2008-12-31 40,77% from year earlier[3]
You have 5 million profit in 2008 and even more i can assume in 2009, ALL we ask is for you to provide a game for us that is playable, even sometimes systems with 8 ppl is lagging like hell... once again that comes into you need to fix this game and stop blaiming database issues.
now i purpose new servers as last time was 2007? Better managment of server - player code
To all who agree hopefully we can start a peition to tell ccp to stop ****ing up and listen to the players, after all we are the ones that spends our life playing a game we love..
SO RECAP
Make eve able to run on MULTIABLE processors ( dual 8 core) but your ****ty code not able to do it FIX IT STOP ADDING NEW EXPANSIONS WHICH **** THE GAME MORE STOP GIVING BULL**** ANSWERS SAYING " DATABASE ISSUES " Fix code Fix code Fix code Fix code Fix code
thats all hapar had to say and deal with all my typos because i could not good 2 ****s =)
** HI MOM **
Agreed. Eve has become bloated with "features" and can no longer support it's own weight. It's similar to stories you hear about extremely obese people who keep eating and eating until get so fat they can no longer move under their own power and then eventually die because they are so unhealthy.
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Sidzo
Minmatar SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.19 08:28:00 -
[540]
If all of NC C/SC was in lag who the f**k shoot on our titan? I have logs of damage made by NC Titans and MS's ( if you wanna to see, i will post ) Also there was 16 NC titans and 10 MS. At last 3 titans was primary when fight starting and they warp out/jump out because they didn't was tackled, and they newer show up on field again. Also our titans warp from battle 3x,switch ammo,5 times use dd,not so much lag. I was i fight where lags was 10 times bigger,so NC speaking about this fight only because they get in trap and lost SC. If they got ONE SINGLE SHIP back than any of us can ask for same ,because every fleet fight in EVE is laggy .
PS.sry for bad English
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 08:37:00 -
[541]
You co2 guys surely seems to have a bigger than average part of your alliance that are mentally handicapped or it's the english language that is problematic. Or you are good trolls. Or you simply have no self sanitation when it comes to posting. :D
Nobody is saying none of the NC loaded and we all died blackscreened. From looking at death and respawns following the next DT we can even assume that 70% from our side loaded. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Sidzo
Minmatar SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.19 08:41:00 -
[542]
Ali zato na srpskom mogu opusteno da ti kazem da se napushis
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Ein Spiegel
Minmatar SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.19 08:59:00 -
[543]
So, from a technical perspective...
There are "database issues". It sounds to me like one of two things possibly happened.
1 - Massive server errors cause duplicate records in the database for the ship, which should be hideously impossible as that requires two items to have the same Key value. (This assumes ships in eve are in one DB or table or whatnot.) During routine downtime integrity checks, it "fails over" to the record most safe from a "oh crap" standpoint... it chooses the one that preserves the item. (This is probably to avoid mass-deletions from things like "oops, malformed field...")
2- The server and the client disagreed about the status of the database entry which is the ship. (MMOs are mostly glorified databases interfaces.) For some reason, the server decided to go with the client version. (The server doesn't quite experience lag the same way... so I don't think it ever has "grid loading" issues in the same manner we do.) So, the server has the ships present, and pushes that information to the clients. Except the lagged clients don't get it. Poof.
Of the 2, the first one scares me a little. It means that it could, theoretically, be possible to recreate the extremely laggy circumstances and instead of blowing up ships and having them reappear later, you could jump ships around and force duplication (which would of course be an exploit of a bug).
Or, maybe, there's a third option... they rolled back a part of the database, but not another part of it. I've seen 30+ minutes of intense, mostly lag free combat erased and reset to the starting point following a node death. Maybe only part of the node got dead.
I dunno. Still, this needs fixing by CCP to get the lag monster back into the freaking cage of reasonable.
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Robert Ger
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.19 09:25:00 -
[544]
i have a simple idea of this..
NC lost ships . end transmisson
Originally by: Katsina Imperian, he is my hero, I love him, I am going to hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.19 09:37:00 -
[545]
Originally by: Robert Ger i have a simple idea of this..
NC lost ships . end transmisson
Yep. I have no idea why there is a discussion at all.
Others lost supercaps also in totally bugged system, they never got their ships back afterwards either.
You lose ships in fleet battle -> ship is gone. Lag or no lag. That was how it always was. Except for one or two incidencts where the NC got reimbursed.
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soulkiller3
Minmatar NibbleTek RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.19 09:37:00 -
[546]
Ein Spiegel sounds like the local node desynced with the database, database jump the titans out but the local node keeped them in the system, so when downtime came alone the the node reset the titans real localtion and reappered where they should of been, ie where they jumped out
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C4w3
Minmatar Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.19 09:42:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Robert Ger i have a simple idea of this..
NC lost ships . end transmisson
Quoting this for truth. ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Micha L
Gallente SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.19 10:00:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Fred0 You co2 guys surely seems to have a bigger than average part of your alliance that are mentally handicapped or it's the english language that is problematic. Or you are good trolls. Or you simply have no self sanitation when it comes to posting. :D
Nobody is saying none of the NC loaded and we all died blackscreened. From looking at death and respawns following the next DT we can even assume that 70% from our side loaded.
To big words coming from your mouth. I dont think our english is important for this tread. You and anybody els dont have right to call non english ppl mentally handicappedand and then hide behind non knowing english.
Let me remind you about incident in PB when NC babled TRI titans in JC-(cant remember system) on deap SS. Pilots from TRI+ others stay hour and half reping log off titans pilots untill they are gone from field. But you guys run away and left titans on field. thets why you lost it, kills are generated and if they are gost ships kill dont generate. We all know thet game is broken, we all know when we jump we might not load grid and die with black screan or stay on field for hours even if you log off. We all risk our ships, and when you know and do its not ccp fault its ours(playes). Dindnt work for you this time. Fred0 like i sed in other treads, Dianaste spoke very positively about you, but from all this, I can only see that you are low man that you can not be lower.
Sorry for my english Fred0 hope you understand it now.
Samo da sumiram na kraju na maternjem jeziku: Sta god bilo vecerali ste ga i da sidzo upravu si skroz prsli su ga nacisto.
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 10:12:00 -
[549]
Well when we have 20 pages of explanations and real rational reasons on how this happened. How can several co2 people come here and just totally cloud the issue pretending that everything is cool and that the titans need to just stay dead without seeing the bigger picture? Is it really that hard to figure out what has happened?
I don't mind if you think the titans should be dead. I can symphatise with that, I might even agree with that. But how can sidzo and his ilk come here and say I took damage they didn't blackscreen? Has he understood a single sentence on here? It's mindnumbingly dumb, even you must agree with that. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Ocih
Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.19 10:12:00 -
[550]
I can take an Harbi over to one of your systems and let you blow it up if it will make you feel any better. |
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 10:17:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Micha L Fred0 like i sed in other treads, Dianaste spoke very positively about you, but from all this, I can only see that you are low man that you can not be lower.
Sorry for my english Fred0 hope you understand it now.
I've been extremely patient explaining this for 36 hours now. The first few hours discussion circled around blackscreen and jumping out. It was quickly cleared up since it's soo freaking obvious that blackscreened people don't control their ships. Then that clown turns up yapping about taking damage from blackscreened ships. It would have been even a bad troll if you couldn't tell he was serious. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.19 10:47:00 -
[552]
I love how you bunch of ***gots always keep focusing on who lost something, instead of how that something was lost. When PL lost their titans and caps, everyone went "YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WENT INTO, YOU DESERVE IT *****". Same when Atlas lost their entire capfleet. And when CVA lost their capfleet. And when IT/AAA/Atlas lost their ships in h-w. And now when the NC lost 6 titans. The difference with the last situation is that apparently there's a scenario where there can be a desync between 2 nodes, where the old node probably had enough CPU power (or whatever, I don't care) to initiate transfer over to the other system/node, and the new node initiated ownership of said ship, but somewhere along the line the old system never got to the point where it actually removed its idea of owning the ships so they reappeared. I don't know the technical details behind this, and I honestly don't care, but people are focusing more on who it happened to, rather than what actually happened, and how this can be avoided.
Some morons keep saying "you ***s are all about the blob, it's your fault" or "you knew there were 200-400 on the other side, it's your fault for jumping in" or something equally moronic, while ignoring the fact that we've had 2000+ in system before and fighting wasn't all that horrible. These days we have reports of people not loading grid with as fewer than 100 in local if you're really unlucky. How few will we really have to reduce our fleets to before the "you knew what you got yourself into" meme can't apply anymore? 200v200? 100v100? 50v50? Or is this game now really so bad that if the opposing fleet gets more than, say, 100 into a system, the FCs might as well open up a petition on determining the outcome of a fight which is automated and essentially just flips a coin, so we don't have to suffer through blackscreening?
For ****s sake, take your collective heads out of your asses and ignore the fact that this **** is happening to "your enemies", and realize that it is happening to "us". It is a problem that's happening to everyone, and next time it'll probably be your turn. And this all began with Dominion. Some change CCP did back then is the cause, and CCP needs to figure this out and fix it. It should not be the players who need to judge whether or not to jump into a system merely because the enemy got sufficient numbers in there first. The only reason you should have for not jumping into a system should be that the fleet you have is either too small compared to the opposing fleet, or not the correct counter to the opposing side's fleet.
If you can't see beyond the hate and realize this, you're literally ******ed.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar Meltdown Luftfahrttechnik
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:06:00 -
[553]
Originally by: Lord TGR I love how you bunch of ***gots always keep focusing on who lost something, instead of how that something was lost. When PL lost their titans and caps, everyone went "YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WENT INTO, YOU DESERVE IT *****". Same when Atlas lost their entire capfleet. And when CVA lost their capfleet. And when IT/AAA/Atlas lost their ships in h-w. And now when the NC lost 6 titans. The difference with the last situation is that apparently there's a scenario where there can be a desync between 2 nodes, where the old node probably had enough CPU power (or whatever, I don't care) to initiate transfer over to the other system/node, and the new node initiated ownership of said ship, but somewhere along the line the old system never got to the point where it actually removed its idea of owning the ships so they reappeared. I don't know the technical details behind this, and I honestly don't care, but people are focusing more on who it happened to, rather than what actually happened, and how this can be avoided.
Some morons keep saying "you ***s are all about the blob, it's your fault" or "you knew there were 200-400 on the other side, it's your fault for jumping in" or something equally moronic, while ignoring the fact that we've had 2000+ in system before and fighting wasn't all that horrible. These days we have reports of people not loading grid with as fewer than 100 in local if you're really unlucky. How few will we really have to reduce our fleets to before the "you knew what you got yourself into" meme can't apply anymore? 200v200? 100v100? 50v50? Or is this game now really so bad that if the opposing fleet gets more than, say, 100 into a system, the FCs might as well open up a petition on determining the outcome of a fight which is automated and essentially just flips a coin, so we don't have to suffer through blackscreening?
For ****s sake, take your collective heads out of your asses and ignore the fact that this **** is happening to "your enemies", and realize that it is happening to "us". It is a problem that's happening to everyone, and next time it'll probably be your turn. And this all began with Dominion. Some change CCP did back then is the cause, and CCP needs to figure this out and fix it. It should not be the players who need to judge whether or not to jump into a system merely because the enemy got sufficient numbers in there first. The only reason you should have for not jumping into a system should be that the fleet you have is either too small compared to the opposing fleet, or not the correct counter to the opposing side's fleet.
If you can't see beyond the hate and realize this, you're literally ******ed.
Who are you and what have you done to that Goonswarm member?
Good post. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim |
Ocih
Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:09:00 -
[554]
Originally by: Lord TGR I love how you bunch of ***gots always keep focusing on who lost something, instead of how that something was lost. When PL lost their titans and caps, everyone went "YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WENT INTO, YOU DESERVE IT *****". Same when Atlas lost their entire capfleet. And when CVA lost their capfleet. And when IT/AAA/Atlas lost their ships in h-w. And now when the NC lost 6 titans. The difference with the last situation is that apparently there's a scenario where there can be a desync between 2 nodes, where the old node probably had enough CPU power (or whatever, I don't care) to initiate transfer over to the other system/node, and the new node initiated ownership of said ship, but somewhere along the line the old system never got to the point where it actually removed its idea of owning the ships so they reappeared. I don't know the technical details behind this, and I honestly don't care, but people are focusing more on who it happened to, rather than what actually happened, and how this can be avoided.
Some morons keep saying "you ***s are all about the blob, it's your fault" or "you knew there were 200-400 on the other side, it's your fault for jumping in" or something equally moronic, while ignoring the fact that we've had 2000+ in system before and fighting wasn't all that horrible. These days we have reports of people not loading grid with as fewer than 100 in local if you're really unlucky. How few will we really have to reduce our fleets to before the "you knew what you got yourself into" meme can't apply anymore? 200v200? 100v100? 50v50? Or is this game now really so bad that if the opposing fleet gets more than, say, 100 into a system, the FCs might as well open up a petition on determining the outcome of a fight which is automated and essentially just flips a coin, so we don't have to suffer through blackscreening?
For ****s sake, take your collective heads out of your asses and ignore the fact that this **** is happening to "your enemies", and realize that it is happening to "us". It is a problem that's happening to everyone, and next time it'll probably be your turn. And this all began with Dominion. Some change CCP did back then is the cause, and CCP needs to figure this out and fix it. It should not be the players who need to judge whether or not to jump into a system merely because the enemy got sufficient numbers in there first. The only reason you should have for not jumping into a system should be that the fleet you have is either too small compared to the opposing fleet, or not the correct counter to the opposing side's fleet.
If you can't see beyond the hate and realize this, you're literally ******ed.
Just like I saw what happened to BoB as dirty mechanics? As for CVA, You figured out why I hate SC. You want fair in EvE? Better get the other EvE. |
cinefilul
Amarr FinFleet IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:11:00 -
[555]
Originally by: Lord TGR I love how you bunch.... etc
Good post. Really. eve is a beautiful game! |
Micha L
Gallente SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:12:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Micha L Fred0 like i sed in other treads, Dianaste spoke very positively about you, but from all this, I can only see that you are low man that you can not be lower.
Sorry for my english Fred0 hope you understand it now.
I've been extremely patient explaining this for 36 hours now. The first few hours discussion circled around blackscreen and jumping out. It was quickly cleared up since it's soo freaking obvious that blackscreened people don't control their ships. Then that clown turns up yapping about taking damage from blackscreened ships. It would have been even a bad troll if you couldn't tell he was serious.
You spend 36 hours explaining thet when lag dont work for you its a issue, but when you killing black screaned ship its ok. Ppl discusing about this for 6 months, you are on 36h, still more to go. Question is how long you will blame ccp and TQ for your own mistakes. Turning things upside down is you way of doing things. And im going back to thing thet i writed first time: We all know thet game is broken, we all know when we jump we might not load grid and die with black screan or stay on field for hours even if you log off. We all risk our ships, and when you know and do its not ccp fault its ours(players). For some time NC using laqg issue in moust fights, steam roll system with hundreds ships moduls stuck, guns stuck, warping not working....etc etc. You clame hundreds of kills this way and in thet time was ok even going to far by faking some capital kills thet TQ didnt generated. btw: This is not first time you got you ships back remember MAX1 in trib. M-O EO caps fight. And i hope you can keep your titans back so tears can stop.
Fred0 you have friends in counsile do pressure on ccp, if they canot do enything then stop posting about issues on tq.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih Just like I saw what happened to BoB as dirty mechanics?
Which bit, the disband bit? Yes, I agree. But don't put that on me just because I'm in goons now, I was an empire-hugging miner when that happened.
The two situations aren't really comparable, as the disband was done by a guy they trusted, whereas the dominion effect is triggered randomly, and there's nothing any player can do to avoid it, sans going "aww they got 100+ into the system before us, welp I guess that means they won", which is absolutely no way to play a game as strategic/tactical as EVE is.
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:26:00 -
[558]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Micha L Fred0 like i sed in other treads, Dianaste spoke very positively about you, but from all this, I can only see that you are low man that you can not be lower.
Sorry for my english Fred0 hope you understand it now.
I've been extremely patient explaining this for 36 hours now. The first few hours discussion circled around blackscreen and jumping out. It was quickly cleared up since it's soo freaking obvious that blackscreened people don't control their ships. Then that clown turns up yapping about taking damage from blackscreened ships. It would have been even a bad troll if you couldn't tell he was serious.
sorry fred0 but i think your the clown in here; trying to spin this all over the place, when you know very well that those ships should of stay dead.
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paracidic
Amarr Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 11:29:00 -
[559]
Originally by: ElrondMD We would like to thank the members of IT, ex members of IT and Viper ****zle for taking such an active and passionate interest in the actions of others. Its really heart warming to see people who have absolutely no input into events putting forward their expert opinions.
BFF
Sorry,
I know that I was not in that battle. But if you really think that this issue doesn't effect all 0.0 players then your clearly iq80.
I don't really give a crap if they get the titans back or not. But if they get theirs back then PL must get theirs back as well. The fact of the matter is that I play this game because I love knowing that there is some guy on the other side of our little blue planet that is sitting at his desk cursing me when I get a final blow on his internet pixed ship. And I know that that same guy/girl feels the same way I do.
But for the last 18 months or so most people just feel mad or disappointed that they died and never managed to lock another ship or activate their guns. And for the last couple months most people don't even know they are dead or alive until they log in the next day.
This game is broken. And as having been proven before threadnaughts work. So if you think that iT and atlas and PL shouldn't be posting on this thread then take the 60% of the posts away that we posted and see if a threadnaught remains.
It is in all our best interests to attempt to pressure CCP into fixing this game.
I would love to kill you NC and PL but as it is I am not even sure I would load grid.
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Meno Theaetetus
Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 12:42:00 -
[560]
I want to believe that people are trolling in here, because It scares me that otherwise there can be so much concentrated stupidity in one place, at one time, coming from someone in wiDOT that really saying something.
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C4w3
Minmatar Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.19 12:53:00 -
[561]
Originally by: Tyby
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Micha L Fred0 like i sed in other treads, Dianaste spoke very positively about you, but from all this, I can only see that you are low man that you can not be lower.
Sorry for my english Fred0 hope you understand it now.
I've been extremely patient explaining this for 36 hours now. The first few hours discussion circled around blackscreen and jumping out. It was quickly cleared up since it's soo freaking obvious that blackscreened people don't control their ships. Then that clown turns up yapping about taking damage from blackscreened ships. It would have been even a bad troll if you couldn't tell he was serious.
As always NC spinnin it like the good old meatspin lovley.
sorry fred0 but i think your the clown in here; trying to spin this all over the place, when you know very well that those ships should of stay dead.
ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Hagen Stein
Minmatar Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 12:56:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Lord TGR
Good stuff.
Wow, there are still a few people left with an intact brain, who post in CAOD.
People of CAOD, this very gentleman has pointed out the real issue here. Let me quote that part for you again, in case you missed it in that great ("great" as in "brilliant") wall of text:
Quote:
For ****s sake, take your collective heads out of your asses and ignore the fact that this **** is happening to "your enemies", and realize that it is happening to "us". It is a problem that's happening to everyone, and next time it'll probably be your turn.
This is the issue CAOD should be concerned with. Not who's KM has to stay and who's SupCaps have to be removed.
Given that this seemed to have happened before, only at a smaller scale, we have two issues here at hand:
- Battles over nothing The outcome of a battle should give the winnner an advantage. It should weaken the loser. With ghost ships reappearing, we've basically have an "ingame SiSi" on TQ.
- Possible item duplication exploits I'm pretty sure a ton of ruthless people already examine how to artifically recreate such scenarios and take advantage of this problem in an attempt to spawn expensive items/ships.
If you don't see this as pressing issues, but only shake fists in anger to your ingame enemy, you clearly haven't understood the importance of this incident.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:12:00 -
[563]
Originally by: Hagen Stein
- Possible item duplication exploits I'm pretty sure a ton of ruthless people already examine how to artifically recreate such scenarios and take advantage of this problem in an attempt to spawn expensive items/ships.
I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be a possibility, as every item has its own unique ID.
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:12:00 -
[564]
Edited by: Fred0 on 19/06/2010 13:22:07
Originally by: paracidic I don't really give a crap if they get the titans back or not. But if they get theirs back then PL must get theirs back as well. The fact of the matter is that I play this game because I love knowing that there is some guy on the other side of our little blue planet that is sitting at his desk cursing me when I get a final blow on his internet pixed ship. And I know that that same guy/girl feels the same way I do.
You don't seem to understand either. Neither PL nor we have gotten the ships that blackscreened and died in 6NJ back. Those ships are dead, petitioned but with little hope of being refunded. Just like the titans that died for PL in Y-2ANO. This is the same thing that has happened to everyone of us a bunch of times in large fights.
Besides those that blackscreened and died there's a bunch of titans that loaded in 6NJ, killed **** and jumped out when the fight turned bad for us. Those ships got out fine but eventually when they logged out they reappeared in 6NJ where they were killed. This also happened to PL but only with carriers and dreads. None of their titans in Y-2ANO managed to jump out. Anyways, those ships that jumped out and wrongly respawned in 6NJ and Y-2ANO have respawned in their exit cyno system after DT. in PL's instance they petitioned this and they were allowed to keep their dreads and carriers. For us this bunch included titans and MS and this is still under investigation.
EDIT: Also for the people that complain that this is just normal lag. This issue is relatively new. We've not before had public cases of ships respawning post DT like this. CCP has known about this atleast since it happened to PL but managed to keep it quiet back then. Obviously not to fix the issue though since it happened now again. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:39:00 -
[565]
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Hagen Stein
- Possible item duplication exploits I'm pretty sure a ton of ruthless people already examine how to artifically recreate such scenarios and take advantage of this problem in an attempt to spawn expensive items/ships.
I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be a possibility, as every item has its own unique ID.
So?
Blow up ship, collect insurane, get ship back later.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:51:00 -
[566]
Originally by: Fred0 I think you're over analyzing it.
Really? I simply pointed out key words. Read it slowly. Now if the GM misspoke then I'm sorry but that is not my fault.
Originally by: Fred0 The GM doesn't adress the original problem at all from our pov and as such he might just be expressing himself clumsily.
What about our pov? Better yet, how about CCP point of view.
Originally by: Lord TGR Yoda ****
I read your post which was long, and I agree with it. But it is really annoying that you wait till your buddies lose huge before you run in here and post some Yoda **** and then see people quoting it and such. Where was this post when others lost big due to the Lag Moster?
I guess when it happens to your enemies all seems fair. When it happens to you, there is something wrong and should be fixed. I for one just wish the lag was gone, and we could get back to playing the game without having to factor in every move, fleet fight, strategy, whatever around this bull**** lag.
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 13:59:00 -
[567]
Originally by: Marlona Sky What about our pov? Better yet, how about CCP point of view.
He was expressing it exactly from your pov unless I'm mistaken. For you, you killed the ships and reappeared due to some bug and as such they should be removed. That's what your side has said all along. Perhaps you can clarify what separates your pov from what he expressed.
CCP are still figuring out what to do with this. They were notified of this problem atleast 6 months ago. We can only hope this incident puts some urgency into that inquest. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.19 14:08:00 -
[568]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Lord TGR Yoda ****
I read your post which was long, and I agree with it. But it is really annoying that you wait till your buddies lose huge before you run in here and post some Yoda **** and then see people quoting it and such. Where was this post when others lost big due to the Lag Moster?
Cut the tinfoil act. I didn't write it when PL lost their titans, because I was hoping CCP would find and fix the problem. I didn't write it when Atlas lost their cap fleet because I wasn't paying attention to CAOD at the time to see just how much asshattery was going on. Same with CVA. And I was still hoping CCP would have a fix "soon".
I've gotten tired of waiting, and I've gotten tired of reading asshats gloating about how "x lost their y" or (now) whining about how "x got their y back". It really is that much of a conspiracy from my side.
Originally by: Marlona Sky I guess when it happens to your enemies all seems fair. When it happens to you, there is something wrong and should be fixed.
Am I the NC? Did I lose any ships in the latest high profile example of this ****? No, and no. I don't even remember which damn system it was in, and I don't care.
It has ****-all to do with who it happened to, I would've said the same damn thing if it had happened to IT, Atlas, AAA, ROL or whoever the ****. I'll admit to feeling a bit of glee when it happens to my "enemies", because hey, they're on the other team, but that doesn't stop me from feeling very strongly that this whole situation is ****ed up and that it shouldn't have happened. And don't you even dare to insinuate that I mean anything otherwise.
Also, the attitude in that quote is the main reason I wrote what I did. I don't give a flying **** if I'm quoted or not. I just want people to stop it with the "you suck" "well your mom" bull**** and focus on pushing CCP into fixing the gridload/session change issue.
Originally by: Marlona Sky I for one just wish the lag was gone, and we could get back to playing the game without having to factor in every move, fleet fight, strategy, whatever around this bull**** lag.
Exactly. Focus on this bit, and less on the tinfoilhattery above. You'll get further with that.
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C4w3
Minmatar Blackwater USA Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.19 14:11:00 -
[569]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Marlona Sky What about our pov? Better yet, how about CCP point of view.
He was expressing it exactly from your pov unless I'm mistaken. For you, you killed the ships and reappeared due to some bug and as such they should be removed. That's what your side has said all along. Perhaps you can clarify what separates your pov from what he expressed.
CCP are still figuring out what to do with this. They were notified of this problem atleast 6 months ago. We can only hope this incident puts some urgency into that inquest.
I agree with you ... oh wait meat spin? anyone. ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Hagen Stein
Minmatar Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 14:46:00 -
[570]
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Hagen Stein
- Possible item duplication exploits I'm pretty sure a ton of ruthless people already examine how to artifically recreate such scenarios and take advantage of this problem in an attempt to spawn expensive items/ships.
I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be a possibility, as every item has its own unique ID.
No one really knows except CCP.
I know for sure that certain IDs get recycled every now and then (wallet journal refID, for example). And we have that dev blog, The day the items disappeared.
Seems like the process of item destroyed -> move ID to junkyard -> reuse it later again didn't work properly with the lag.
And if that wouldn't work, there's that insurance issue, which someone mentioned already.
Regardless of the possibilities, I guess we can all agree that reappearing items, once they're supposed to be destroyed, is not what we want in EVE, regardless on which site we're on.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:16:00 -
[571]
Originally by: Fred0 He was expressing it exactly from your pov unless I'm mistaken. For you, you killed the ships and reappeared due to some bug and as such they should be removed. That's what your side has said all along. Perhaps you can clarify what separates your pov from what he expressed.
CCP are still figuring out what to do with this. They were notified of this problem atleast 6 months ago. We can only hope this incident puts some urgency into that inquest.
The GM simply stated what happened. Right now they are investigating why the ships revived after DT. But please, keep desperately trying to spin everything how you like. You need a new turntable.
Originally by: Lord TGR I didn't write it when PL lost their titans, because I was hoping CCP would find and fix the problem. I didn't write it when Atlas lost their cap fleet because I wasn't paying attention to CAOD at the time to see just how much asshattery was going on. Same with CVA. And I was still hoping CCP would have a fix "soon".
Well that is refreshing... oh wait, but in the same post you put...
Originally by: Lord TGR I would've said the same damn thing if it had happened to IT, Atlas, AAA, ROL or whoever the ****. I'll admit to feeling a bit of glee when it happens to my "enemies", because hey, they're on the other team, but that doesn't stop me from feeling very strongly that this whole situation is ****ed up and that it shouldn't have happened. And don't you even dare to insinuate that I mean anything otherwise.
So much for that refreshing part. *sigh* Sorry if i don't pat you on the back for your original post. Your, "I'm not gonna say a word." ..... "Wow. Again, not gonna say a word." ..... "LOL, sucks for them. Not gonna say ****."... then... "Oh WTF! My friends!!!! Now this will not stand! RAAAAGGGEEEE!!!!"
Originally by: Lord TGR Exactly. Focus on this bit, and less on the tinfoilhattery above. You'll get further with that.
This is my fault. That statement was meant to be read separate and I should have put in a double space or line or something. Apologies.
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arjun
Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:19:00 -
[572]
dont know. the ships apearing in that system means they had officially jumped out or not? so them getting destroied in the starting system after the server had agreed to them jumping out is also kind of borked no? the arguments can be made for both sides i think. opinion genrally divides on political lines unfortunately.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:26:00 -
[573]
Originally by: Marlona Sky So much for that refreshing part. *sigh* Sorry if i don't pat you on the back for your original post. Your, "I'm not gonna say a word." ..... "Wow. Again, not gonna say a word." ..... "LOL, sucks for them. Not gonna say ****."... then... "Oh WTF! My friends!!!! Now this will not stand! RAAAAGGGEEEE!!!!"
Wow. You really are literally awful at comprehending what I wrote.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:41:00 -
[574]
Edited by: Marlona Sky on 19/06/2010 15:44:05
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Marlona Sky So much for that refreshing part. *sigh* Sorry if i don't pat you on the back for your original post. Your, "I'm not gonna say a word." ..... "Wow. Again, not gonna say a word." ..... "LOL, sucks for them. Not gonna say ****."... then... "Oh WTF! My friends!!!! Now this will not stand! RAAAAGGGEEEE!!!!"
Wow. You really are literally awful at comprehending what I wrote.
I am simply saying I am not going to pat you on the back about your post. If it had come sooner, or you posted it in the threadnoughts where your enemies lost big when lag screwed them over it would have more meaning.
________________________FAT LINE TO SEPERATE THE BELOW INTO A SEPERATE STATEMENT________________
I now will simply say the lag problem needs fixed and the ghost ships that appeared after DT need to be removed from the game along with any fittings/whatever in cargo that came with them.
EDIT to reply to your EDIT:
You completely dodged what I said. Either way, if you would like to take this to a private convo I am online right now so we can 1v1 convo this instead of spamming COAD?
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Gloster II
Caldari Project Stealth Squad Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.19 17:50:00 -
[575]
goood evening lads and gentlemen... hope, you are all fine
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Ocih
Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.19 17:55:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Ocih Just like I saw what happened to BoB as dirty mechanics?
Which bit, the disband bit? Yes, I agree. But don't put that on me just because I'm in goons now, I was an empire-hugging miner when that happened.
The two situations aren't really comparable, as the disband was done by a guy they trusted, whereas the dominion effect is triggered randomly, and there's nothing any player can do to avoid it, sans going "aww they got 100+ into the system before us, welp I guess that means they won", which is absolutely no way to play a game as strategic/tactical as EVE is.
They are very comparable. The point being we all have a habit of getting on a high horse in CAoD when the milk is sour. We overlook. I do it. CVA are where they are because they are too stubborn to recruit and diplo. They could have R3, N8 and the pocket back if they would do these things. Honest, thats what CVA are strong enough to hold at this point. Not to get too far off from where we are. Should they have lost thier fleets? They lost untold billions to inside POS DDDs too. EvE has been about exploiting bad mechanics from day one. You really look bad when you dont point this out all the time, not just when its your disadvantage. |
Anxekay
Caldari Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.19 18:06:00 -
[577]
Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 19/06/2010 15:44:05
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Marlona Sky So much for that refreshing part. *sigh* Sorry if i don't pat you on the back for your original post. Your, "I'm not gonna say a word." ..... "Wow. Again, not gonna say a word." ..... "LOL, sucks for them. Not gonna say ****."... then... "Oh WTF! My friends!!!! Now this will not stand! RAAAAGGGEEEE!!!!"
Wow. You really are literally awful at comprehending what I wrote.
I am simply saying I am not going to pat you on the back about your post. If it had come sooner, or you posted it in the threadnoughts where your enemies lost big when lag screwed them over it would have more meaning.
________________________FAT LINE TO SEPERATE THE BELOW INTO A SEPERATE STATEMENT________________
I now will simply say the lag problem needs fixed and the ghost ships that appeared after DT need to be removed from the game along with any fittings/whatever in cargo that came with them.
EDIT to reply to your EDIT:
You completely dodged what I said. Either way, if you would like to take this to a private convo I am online right now so we can 1v1 convo this instead of spamming COAD?
Does it really matter when he posted it? Not everyone wants to post on CAOD all the time. Not everyone reads CAOD enough to really know what's being complained about here. Besides, if you can't respect his words for just what they are, then don't bother commenting on them at all. You are literally perpetuating the problem; the more we whinge and complain and finger point at the each other about what goes on with lag and sundry stuff, the longer it is going to take to actually convince CCP that this is an issue that effects EVERYONE (in an equal manner, at different times, but will inevitable hit us all). Arguing about semantics like when XYZ posted ABC and oh why didn't you post it at DEF is just a foolish waste of time.
Hell, this post is a waste of time.
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Onar Maldarian
Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 22:48:00 -
[578]
So main conclusion of all this threadnaught would be that when CCP knows something is broken, if it doesn't get into forums they won't do anything to fix it and keep adding new stupid and useless things to the game until it goes public and it starts getting bad PR. That says A LOT on how they do things and it will kill this game sooner or later if they don't change it.
To all the people talking sh*t about NC, they deserve all my respect for going public with this, unlike others did, forcing the terrible devs we have right now to focus on the issue and "customer support" (yeah right) to take an 'official' position.
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Pudgy McFudge
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.19 23:02:00 -
[579]
First page in an epic thread
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Meno Theaetetus
Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 23:37:00 -
[580]
(hurf)
Someone debunk this for me.
When the ships went to jump out, although the consumption of fuel and cap is un-provable, what could be classed as proof is the location of where the ships were found.
It seems obvious that the relationship between the location were the ships were found un-piloted is evidence between the cap and its exit cyno. If the ships had not been able to jump out due to tackle, the correlation between un-piloted 'ghost' ship and its exit cyno would be inexplicable.
ItÆs a well known bug that if a ship jumps to a beacon, if the beacon becomes unavailable for some reason during the transfer, ie the ship logs off, the beacon goes down etc, the server will freak out and most of the time drop you at the same position in space in the target system as were you jumped from, sometimes it just drops you at some random point in space.
What's important is that the ships landed in the same system they tried to jump to, they must have been stuck in some kind of proxy or buffer between systems, perhaps this was even what caused the system crashes during the downtime before the ships were found, the buffers were cleared and the ships stuck in limbo appeared in the system they should have appeared in the day before.
tldr - the ships appeared were they did because under normal game mechanic they would have successfully jumped out to safety, and therefore would not have been killed.
(/hurf)
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Midge Mo'yb
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.19 23:39:00 -
[581]
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
(hurf)
Someone debunk this for me.
When the ships went to jump out, although the consumption of fuel and cap is un-provable, what could be classed as proof is the location of where the ships were found.
It seems obvious that the relationship between the location were the ships were found un-piloted is evidence between the cap and its exit cyno. If the ships had not been able to jump out due to tackle, the correlation between un-piloted 'ghost' ship and its exit cyno would be inexplicable.
ItÆs a well known bug that if a ship jumps to a beacon, if the beacon becomes unavailable for some reason during the transfer, ie the ship logs off, the beacon goes down etc, the server will freak out and most of the time drop you at the same position in space in the target system as were you jumped from, sometimes it just drops you at some random point in space.
What's important is that the ships landed in the same system they tried to jump to, they must have been stuck in some kind of proxy or buffer between systems, perhaps this was even what caused the system crashes during the downtime before the ships were found, the buffers were cleared and the ships stuck in limbo appeared in the system they should have appeared in the day before.
tldr - the ships appeared were they did because under normal game mechanic they would have successfully jumped out to safety, and therefore would not have been killed.
(/hurf)
and the modules missing from these "ghost ships" being exactly the same as the modules that were dropped in the wrecks isnt conclusive proof that they were killed? -----------------------------------------------
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Rakessh
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.20 01:22:00 -
[582]
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
So just stfu and using your brain.
Maybe you should learn English before you start talking about brains, genius.
As for your analogy, are you saying that nobody ever lost a capital to lag desinc while trying to jump out of system in the past 7 months? I know for a fact that SC did, we just don't whine about it, we move on. I never heard of any ships spawning back after downtime after they lost them till now. Again, no one ever got their ships back except PL and now NC. That smells like a rat to me.
Not so sure rolling over and taking it rather than complain is much better either... CCP needs to fix it so it's a non-issue.
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fatherted1989
Caldari Red Horizon Inc R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.20 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lord TGR I love how you bunch of ***gots always keep focusing on who lost something, instead of how that something was lost. When PL lost their titans and caps, everyone went "YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WENT INTO, YOU DESERVE IT *****". Same when Atlas lost their entire capfleet. And when CVA lost their capfleet. And when IT/AAA/Atlas lost their ships in h-w. And now when the NC lost 6 titans. The difference with the last situation is that apparently there's a scenario where there can be a desync between 2 nodes, where the old node probably had enough CPU power (or whatever, I don't care) to initiate transfer over to the other system/node, and the new node initiated ownership of said ship, but somewhere along the line the old system never got to the point where it actually removed its idea of owning the ships so they reappeared. I don't know the technical details behind this, and I honestly don't care, but people are focusing more on who it happened to, rather than what actually happened, and how this can be avoided.
Some morons keep saying "you ***s are all about the blob, it's your fault" or "you knew there were 200-400 on the other side, it's your fault for jumping in" or something equally moronic, while ignoring the fact that we've had 2000+ in system before and fighting wasn't all that horrible. These days we have reports of people not loading grid with as fewer than 100 in local if you're really unlucky. How few will we really have to reduce our fleets to before the "you knew what you got yourself into" meme can't apply anymore? 200v200? 100v100? 50v50? Or is this game now really so bad that if the opposing fleet gets more than, say, 100 into a system, the FCs might as well open up a petition on determining the outcome of a fight which is automated and essentially just flips a coin, so we don't have to suffer through blackscreening?
For ****s sake, take your collective heads out of your asses and ignore the fact that this **** is happening to "your enemies", and realize that it is happening to "us". It is a problem that's happening to everyone, and next time it'll probably be your turn. And this all began with Dominion. Some change CCP did back then is the cause, and CCP needs to figure this out and fix it. It should not be the players who need to judge whether or not to jump into a system merely because the enemy got sufficient numbers in there first. The only reason you should have for not jumping into a system should be that the fleet you have is either too small compared to the opposing fleet, or not the correct counter to the opposing side's fleet.
If you can't see beyond the hate and realize this, you're literally ******ed.
Thread should have ended here, no?
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Cloned S0ul
Caldari QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
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Posted - 2010.06.20 01:43:00 -
[584]
20 pages of tears, stfu all and wait for big serwer upgarde, three day left... go to dev blog.
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Caladain Barton
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 02:46:00 -
[585]
Originally by: Cloned S0ul 20 pages of tears, stfu all and wait for big serwer upgarde, three day left... go to dev blog.
dev in devblog said it won't help lag in the slightest, or fix any of the current issues.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.20 02:46:00 -
[586]
Edited by: Marlona Sky on 20/06/2010 02:47:31
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
(hurf)
Someone debunk this for me.
When the ships went to jump out, although the consumption of fuel and cap is un-provable, what could be classed as proof is the location of where the ships were found.
It seems obvious that the relationship between the location were the ships were found un-piloted is evidence between the cap and its exit cyno. If the ships had not been able to jump out due to tackle, the correlation between un-piloted 'ghost' ship and its exit cyno would be inexplicable.
ItÆs a well known bug that if a ship jumps to a beacon, if the beacon becomes unavailable for some reason during the transfer, ie the ship logs off, the beacon goes down etc, the server will freak out and most of the time drop you at the same position in space in the target system as were you jumped from, sometimes it just drops you at some random point in space.
What's important is that the ships landed in the same system they tried to jump to, they must have been stuck in some kind of proxy or buffer between systems, perhaps this was even what caused the system crashes during the downtime before the ships were found, the buffers were cleared and the ships stuck in limbo appeared in the system they should have appeared in the day before.
tldr - the ships appeared were they did because under normal game mechanic they would have successfully jumped out to safety, and therefore would not have been killed.
(/hurf)
Ok, I present the CCP Game Master reply in this thread, bolding for you:
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival (meaning it was dead and then brought back to life) of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
CCP Game Master's words ladies and gentlemen. API verified kill mails went out. They are investigating why the above revival of the ships, including the super-capitals happened.
The lag is horrible for everyone. I hope that it ends soon.
On a related story, I lost a Proteus in a mission sometime and made a thread about it (can't find it now) because... on my end, I made it out in structure and warped to a station. When in fact, I did lose it, and the ship I had was a ghost. I was stuck at the station, in Dodixie I think. Anyways, I petitioned, GM informed me that I was in a 'ghost' ship and the Proteus did die. "But I am here in it now, everyone at the station can see me in the ship, so it must be a real ship." I said.
Moments later, a Jove ship appeared next to me. "Thank God a GM is here to help me out." I thought to myself. And help me out he did, I was vaporized for all to see, even people talking about the Jove ship wasting me local.
I was still stuck in the Proteus and had to wait till DT for them to sort it out. I lost the Proteus but they had to investigate and fix the problem, just like what is happening now. Anyways, cool story bro and all but not much we can do now but wait till CCP says why the ships were revived.
Those that are currently in the ghost ships, watch your scanner for Jove please.
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Meno Theaetetus
Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 02:59:00 -
[587]
Edited by: Meno Theaetetus on 20/06/2010 03:04:25
Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
(hurf)
Someone debunk this for me.
When the ships went to jump out, although the consumption of fuel and cap is un-provable, what could be classed as proof is the location of where the ships were found.
It seems obvious that the relationship between the location were the ships were found un-piloted is evidence between the cap and its exit cyno. If the ships had not been able to jump out due to tackle, the correlation between un-piloted 'ghost' ship and its exit cyno would be inexplicable.
ItÆs a well known bug that if a ship jumps to a beacon, if the beacon becomes unavailable for some reason during the transfer, ie the ship logs off, the beacon goes down etc, the server will freak out and most of the time drop you at the same position in space in the target system as were you jumped from, sometimes it just drops you at some random point in space.
What's important is that the ships landed in the same system they tried to jump to, they must have been stuck in some kind of proxy or buffer between systems, perhaps this was even what caused the system crashes during the downtime before the ships were found, the buffers were cleared and the ships stuck in limbo appeared in the system they should have appeared in the day before.
tldr - the ships appeared were they did because under normal game mechanic they would have successfully jumped out to safety, and therefore would not have been killed.
(/hurf)
and the modules missing from these "ghost ships" being exactly the same as the modules that were dropped in the wrecks isnt conclusive proof that they were killed?
Is an interesting point, I'm not trying disprove that the ships 'were' killed, only that they should have been able to jump out, and essentially did. The module story does seem to suggest that some action was taken by ccp to resolve the fact that some of the modules associated with the ships had been destroyed shortly after downtime. Makes me think even more that this was the cause of the problems with systems crashing after the downtime.
As far as keeping the ships? I think it's far more likely the loot from the ships should be removed rather than the ships, at the end of the day those ships should have loaded their exit systems. It seems fair that based on ccp's no reimbursement stance that no action should be taken at all.
edit: for Marlona's sake.
Again I'm not saying that ships didn't die, I think that's obvious from the killmails. How do you explain the fact that the ghost ships were found in the systems that they had attempted to jump to?
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 04:34:00 -
[588]
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Edited by: Meno Theaetetus on 20/06/2010 03:04:25
Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
(hurf)
Someone debunk this for me.
When the ships went to jump out, although the consumption of fuel and cap is un-provable, what could be classed as proof is the location of where the ships were found.
It seems obvious that the relationship between the location were the ships were found un-piloted is evidence between the cap and its exit cyno. If the ships had not been able to jump out due to tackle, the correlation between un-piloted 'ghost' ship and its exit cyno would be inexplicable.
ItÆs a well known bug that if a ship jumps to a beacon, if the beacon becomes unavailable for some reason during the transfer, ie the ship logs off, the beacon goes down etc, the server will freak out and most of the time drop you at the same position in space in the target system as were you jumped from, sometimes it just drops you at some random point in space.
What's important is that the ships landed in the same system they tried to jump to, they must have been stuck in some kind of proxy or buffer between systems, perhaps this was even what caused the system crashes during the downtime before the ships were found, the buffers were cleared and the ships stuck in limbo appeared in the system they should have appeared in the day before.
tldr - the ships appeared were they did because under normal game mechanic they would have successfully jumped out to safety, and therefore would not have been killed.
(/hurf)
and the modules missing from these "ghost ships" being exactly the same as the modules that were dropped in the wrecks isnt conclusive proof that they were killed?
Is an interesting point, I'm not trying disprove that the ships 'were' killed, only that they should have been able to jump out, and essentially did. The module story does seem to suggest that some action was taken by ccp to resolve the fact that some of the modules associated with the ships had been destroyed shortly after downtime. Makes me think even more that this was the cause of the problems with systems crashing after the downtime.
As far as keeping the ships? I think it's far more likely the loot from the ships should be removed rather than the ships, at the end of the day those ships should have loaded their exit systems. It seems fair that based on ccp's no reimbursement stance that no action should be taken at all.
edit: for Marlona's sake.
Again I'm not saying that ships didn't die, I think that's obvious from the killmails. How do you explain the fact that the ghost ships were found in the systems that they had attempted to jump to?
Look we all understand that the game lately has been running poor you wont find a single person who has played it disagree with that especially those who been around since the early days and has seen every patch.
You can debate this till everyone is blue in the face, however just waving your hands up saying "oh well they got free ships now" is not acceptable to every person who has lost a ship in lag when the " our logs don't show anything " excuse is thrown out daily . IN this case you have logs which is clearly shown by GM Grimmis post a bug that has allowed them to get ghost ships which in the past has been blown up by GMS and has not happen yet. The rules need to be clear and same for all.
Usually at DT any ghost ships and pods that have been left over from a battle are done away with and typically you cant lock them or even get in them. In this case it was the opposite.
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Caladain Barton
Amarr Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 05:02:00 -
[589]
Edited by: Caladain Barton on 20/06/2010 05:04:17
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Look we all understand that the game lately has been running poor you wont find a single person who has played it disagree with that especially those who been around since the early days and has seen every patch.
You can debate this till everyone is blue in the face, however just waving your hands up saying "oh well they got free ships now" is not acceptable to every person who has lost a ship in lag when the " our logs don't show anything " excuse is thrown out daily . IN this case you have logs which is clearly shown by GM Grimmis post a bug that has allowed them to get ghost ships which in the past has been blown up by GMS and has not happen yet. The rules need to be clear and same for all.
Usually at DT any ghost ships and pods that have been left over from a battle are done away with and typically you cant lock them or even get in them. In this case it was the opposite.
Except of course when Sov swaps hands without a single reinforcement timer. CCP acknowledges this shouldn't have happened, it was a bug, but tough ****, everyone has to live with what has happened.
I honestly think they cyno'ed out successfully. In P-2 our capital pilots couldn't cyno out of system..click the beacon, jump, and it showed you jumping/consuming fuel. You'd then crash, and your ship would reappear sitting idle on grid.
Sounds like something similar happened..if Fuel was consumed, then they cyno'ed out while not being jammed/bubbled. Everything after that is the server ****ing up. Sounds like the desto system acknowledged and placed them on grid, but the departing system didn't get the confirmation that they had left and left their ships out to get killed. But CCP has said on multiple occassions "Good, bad, ugly, we won't fix server ****ups in relation to alliance warfare". This is so they can be "impartial". Otherwise, they'd have to fix every blackscreened fleet who died in a fire, and fix the sov ****ups when they happen (including removing people's stuff from stations that shouldn't have switched, etc)
If CCP is going to stay hands off, then they stay hands off. IF they aren't, THEN they should apply their favoritism equally.
Owait, Eve was made for BOB, forgot. Carry on.
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Mya ElleTerego
Amarr The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.20 05:33:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Caladain Barton Edited by: Caladain Barton on 20/06/2010 05:04:17
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Look we all understand that the game lately has been running poor you wont find a single person who has played it disagree with that especially those who been around since the early days and has seen every patch.
You can debate this till everyone is blue in the face, however just waving your hands up saying "oh well they got free ships now" is not acceptable to every person who has lost a ship in lag when the " our logs don't show anything " excuse is thrown out daily . IN this case you have logs which is clearly shown by GM Grimmis post a bug that has allowed them to get ghost ships which in the past has been blown up by GMS and has not happen yet. The rules need to be clear and same for all.
Usually at DT any ghost ships and pods that have been left over from a battle are done away with and typically you cant lock them or even get in them. In this case it was the opposite.
Except of course when Sov swaps hands without a single reinforcement timer. CCP acknowledges this shouldn't have happened, it was a bug, but tough ****, everyone has to live with what has happened.
I honestly think they cyno'ed out successfully. In P-2 our capital pilots couldn't cyno out of system..click the beacon, jump, and it showed you jumping/consuming fuel. You'd then crash, and your ship would reappear sitting idle on grid.
Sounds like something similar happened..if Fuel was consumed, then they cyno'ed out while not being jammed/bubbled. Everything after that is the server ****ing up. Sounds like the desto system acknowledged and placed them on grid, but the departing system didn't get the confirmation that they had left and left their ships out to get killed. But CCP has said on multiple occassions "Good, bad, ugly, we won't fix server ****ups in relation to alliance warfare". This is so they can be "impartial". Otherwise, they'd have to fix every blackscreened fleet who died in a fire, and fix the sov ****ups when they happen (including removing people's stuff from stations that shouldn't have switched, etc)
If CCP is going to stay hands off, then they stay hands off. IF they aren't, THEN they should apply their favoritism equally.
Owait, Eve was made for BOB, forgot. Carry on.
Yea and damn the CCP devs for making all of the racial moons in delve querious and pure blind the main t2 bottleneck! I mean thats so unbalanced.. Ohwai... Alliance Recruit thread Alliance Homepage/Killboard |
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Kushmir
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.20 05:51:00 -
[591]
Originally by: Mya ElleTerego
Originally by: Caladain Barton Edited by: Caladain Barton on 20/06/2010 05:04:17
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Look we all understand that the game lately has been running poor you wont find a single person who has played it disagree with that especially those who been around since the early days and has seen every patch.
You can debate this till everyone is blue in the face, however just waving your hands up saying "oh well they got free ships now" is not acceptable to every person who has lost a ship in lag when the " our logs don't show anything " excuse is thrown out daily . IN this case you have logs which is clearly shown by GM Grimmis post a bug that has allowed them to get ghost ships which in the past has been blown up by GMS and has not happen yet. The rules need to be clear and same for all.
Usually at DT any ghost ships and pods that have been left over from a battle are done away with and typically you cant lock them or even get in them. In this case it was the opposite.
Except of course when Sov swaps hands without a single reinforcement timer. CCP acknowledges this shouldn't have happened, it was a bug, but tough ****, everyone has to live with what has happened.
I honestly think they cyno'ed out successfully. In P-2 our capital pilots couldn't cyno out of system..click the beacon, jump, and it showed you jumping/consuming fuel. You'd then crash, and your ship would reappear sitting idle on grid.
Sounds like something similar happened..if Fuel was consumed, then they cyno'ed out while not being jammed/bubbled. Everything after that is the server ****ing up. Sounds like the desto system acknowledged and placed them on grid, but the departing system didn't get the confirmation that they had left and left their ships out to get killed. But CCP has said on multiple occassions "Good, bad, ugly, we won't fix server ****ups in relation to alliance warfare". This is so they can be "impartial". Otherwise, they'd have to fix every blackscreened fleet who died in a fire, and fix the sov ****ups when they happen (including removing people's stuff from stations that shouldn't have switched, etc)
If CCP is going to stay hands off, then they stay hands off. IF they aren't, THEN they should apply their favoritism equally.
Owait, Eve was made for BOB, forgot. Carry on.
Yea and damn the CCP devs for making all of the racial moons in delve querious and pure blind the main t2 bottleneck! I mean thats so unbalanced.. Ohwai...
You know Goonswarm and PL owned those moons when they were nerfed right?
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.20 07:41:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Midge Mo'yb and the modules missing from these "ghost ships" being exactly the same as the modules that were dropped in the wrecks isnt conclusive proof that they were killed?
They have been killed, yes. The modules being missing means the items themselves have been taken from the wrecks, as they have unique IDs. It doesn't mean that it should necessarily have happened.
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Is an interesting point, I'm not trying disprove that the ships 'were' killed, only that they should have been able to jump out, and essentially did. The module story does seem to suggest that some action was taken by ccp to resolve the fact that some of the modules associated with the ships had been destroyed shortly after downtime. Makes me think even more that this was the cause of the problems with systems crashing after the downtime.
It's more likely that the titan wrecks were looted for anything that didn't die, or the modules were destroyed when they destroyed the wreck, I don't know. But basically, when was the last time you saw GMs respond that quickly and concicely, and leave the ships in the destination system without telling anyone? :P
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus Again I'm not saying that ships didn't die, I think that's obvious from the killmails. How do you explain the fact that the ghost ships were found in the systems that they had attempted to jump to?
My take on the whole thing is, the supercaps did indeed jump out. The source system must've had him as untackled for him to initiate jump in the first place, otherwise this whole thing would've been moot, and the fact that the supercaps did indeed show up in their destination systems should indicate that this has indeed happened. I believe that someone also said that they also did disappear from view (i.e. they went invisible) in the source system as they cynoed out as well, but I can't confirm or deny this (nor do I feel like slugging through the thread again), which I would say should indicate that they should be safe.
The fact they showed up in the source system I'd take as a nice example of desync between the different nodes. The times we've had the node roll back in 49- only to see the SBUs or TCU/IHUB/whatever go from destroyed just before the node crash, to a-ok and with not a single scratch on it does indicate that there is some caching going on locally, so there is possibly some leeway for getting some serious desync between what one node thinks, and what the rest of the system thinks, especially if there are shortcuts to f.ex how players are moved about when they cyno out.
All of this is speculation, however, since I have no access to their code, but it seems to make a certain amount of sense. As to what should happen to the ships, <sarcasm>please do continue to argue this, since this is obviously the biggest visible problem shown by this and all the other caploss debacles.</sarcasm>
Delete the ships for all I care, I'm pretty sure the NC would have no problem replacing them anyways, so the only difference would be that some very butthurt people can rub their hands in glee over how "the enemy has finally lost some ships", all the while they're not pushing CCP to fix the root cause of the problem.
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OldPueblo
Gallente DarkStar 1 Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:50:00 -
[593]
This is a result of the new over-correcting ctrl-q fix (bug) mixed with lag. Thank you and goodnight.
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Robert Ger
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.20 10:00:00 -
[594]
aloooot of crap... there is as i said a TS record, from the day, that just tell, nc got whole blackscreen, and the log off and in ... there some nc guys telling: WN used planetary interaction to lagg off the system... im just say this are tears and loooking for nice stor, because the nc lost horribly and trying to blend u with S**T
drama, and drama, as i said SHIPS ARE DEAD, WRECKS LOOT KM; --- CCP take the stuff from them, this is not ok for other players that lost much more... in over 6 months
Originally by: Katsina Imperian, he is my hero, I love him, I am going to hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George.
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Thunder1971
Caldari Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.06.20 11:29:00 -
[595]
My response is quite simple.
Considering I don't have the several of thousand accounts to lag out all the high sec tradehubs...which would be another solution.
1 account has already ran out. Second one following in 2 days. Third one going in the fridge in about a month.
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kra torii
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:18:00 -
[596]
Originally by: Robert Ger aloooot of crap... there is as i said a TS record, from the day, that just tell, nc got whole blackscreen, and the log off and in ... there some nc guys telling: WN used planetary interaction to lagg off the system... im just say this are tears and loooking for nice stor, because the nc lost horribly and trying to blend u with S**T
drama, and drama, as i said SHIPS ARE DEAD, WRECKS LOOT KM; --- CCP take the stuff from them, this is not ok for other players that lost much more... in over 6 months
OMG KILLMAILS GENERATED FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP!111!!!!11ONE
Seriously, go read the good post from the Goon fed guy.
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Robert Ger
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:24:00 -
[597]
Originally by: kra torii
Originally by: Robert Ger aloooot of crap... there is as i said a TS record, from the day, that just tell, nc got whole blackscreen, and the log off and in ... there some nc guys telling: WN used planetary interaction to lagg off the system... im just say this are tears and loooking for nice stor, because the nc lost horribly and trying to blend u with S**T
drama, and drama, as i said SHIPS ARE DEAD, WRECKS LOOT KM; --- CCP take the stuff from them, this is not ok for other players that lost much more... in over 6 months
OMG KILLMAILS GENERATED FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP!111!!!!11ONE
Seriously, go read the good post from the Goon fed guy.
u dont have any rights to quote me Pet.... seoriussly ships dead, mails here end. lag is here bugs here, and we must live with it, and goons ?
Originally by: Katsina Imperian, he is my hero, I love him, I am going to hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George.
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kra torii
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:26:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Robert Ger
Originally by: kra torii
Originally by: Robert Ger aloooot of crap... there is as i said a TS record, from the day, that just tell, nc got whole blackscreen, and the log off and in ... there some nc guys telling: WN used planetary interaction to lagg off the system... im just say this are tears and loooking for nice stor, because the nc lost horribly and trying to blend u with S**T
drama, and drama, as i said SHIPS ARE DEAD, WRECKS LOOT KM; --- CCP take the stuff from them, this is not ok for other players that lost much more... in over 6 months
OMG KILLMAILS GENERATED FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP!111!!!!11ONE
Seriously, go read the good post from the Goon fed guy.
u dont have any rights to quote me Pet.... seoriussly ships dead, mails here end. lag is here bugs here, and we must live with it, and goons ?
When you've learnt to spell 'you' properly, come back and call me a pet.
The only problem is the lag, I don't care about the killmails.
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Robert Ger
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:32:00 -
[599]
the lag we know sience 2009 after dominion patch.. why u cry now about it ? when u losse titans, then u used it every battle, lagg off system let die enemy! and if u have any diferences with my writing, u find me in venal oki ?
Originally by: Katsina Imperian, he is my hero, I love him, I am going to hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George.
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Josiphine Noir
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:34:00 -
[600]
Originally by: Robert Ger aloooot of crap... there is as i said a TS record, from the day, that just tell, nc got whole blackscreen, and the log off and in ... there some nc guys telling: WN used planetary interaction to lagg off the system... im just say this are tears and loooking for nice stor, because the nc lost horribly and trying to blend u with S**T
drama, and drama, as i said SHIPS ARE DEAD, WRECKS LOOT KM; --- CCP take the stuff from them, this is not ok for other players that lost much more... in over 6 months
Why are you so bitter? Are you that mad about being kicked out of Tenal? How do you think CCP found out about this problem? NC decided to tell them about it and make it public, if they were just spinning they would have just kept the ships and let you all chest beat, now you're butt hurt because you think that your big victory is now diminished, stop being so short sighted and look at the big picture here about why CCP needs to fix the game.
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kra torii
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:38:00 -
[601]
Originally by: Robert Ger the lag we know sience 2009 after dominion patch.. why u cry now about it ? when u losse titans, then u used it every battle, lagg off system let die enemy! and if u have any diferences with my writing, u find me in venal oki ?
I personally didn't lose anything in that fight, and lag has been around a lot longer than 2009. I don't see any tears in my thread, maybe you can help me point them out?
I don't see why I should come out from my Carebear haven over a gripe on your spelling.
(Ah, smack. I love this about CAOD)
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:46:00 -
[602]
Edited by: Lord TGR on 20/06/2010 13:48:57
Originally by: Robert Ger seoriussly ships dead, mails here end. lag is here bugs here, and we must live with it, and goons ?
Are you seriously saying that we must live with this and not make demands on CCP to fix it? I mean, seriously, how stupid doesn't that sound?
Originally by: Robert Ger the lag we know sience 2009 after dominion patch.. why u cry now about it ? when u losse titans, then u used it every battle, lagg off system let die enemy!
People have been *****ing about it ever since dominion hit, the main difference is that people are getting seriously sick of it. Again, if you can't see through your hate and realize this, well...
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 20/06/2010 13:52:46 It is pretty clear the ships were killed and then accidentally duped somehow.
Killmails generated, destroyed modules not on the "ghost" ships, and the pilot being elsewhere all point to that.
The question is, should the duped ships be allowed to remain in the game, or should they be removed (no matter which side actually ended up with the ship)?
Personally I think the duped ships should be removed, not because of any particular bias, but rather because of the dangerous precedent it sets. Dead ships should stay dead. I don't want a spooky Eve filled with zombie ships - I have quite enough trouble understanding it without the introduction of a supernatural element ... although maybe there would be scope to give new undead slaying roles to the Paladin?
Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
Robert Ger
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.20 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lord TGR Edited by: Lord TGR on 20/06/2010 13:48:57
Originally by: Robert Ger seoriussly ships dead, mails here end. lag is here bugs here, and we must live with it, and goons ?
Are you seriously saying that we must live with this and not make demands on CCP to fix it? I mean, seriously, how stupid doesn't that sound?
Originally by: Robert Ger the lag we know sience 2009 after dominion patch.. why u cry now about it ? when u losse titans, then u used it every battle, lagg off system let die enemy!
People have been *****ing about it ever since dominion hit, the main difference is that people are getting seriously sick of it. Again, if you can't see through your hate and realize this, well...
u just missunderstand me... i told these bugs are sience domi patch... and i dont talk we should accpet it, but these bugs are not new... like the whole nc telling
Originally by: Katsina Imperian, he is my hero, I love him, I am going to hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George.
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Ishbu
Gallente Ishukone Factory
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Posted - 2010.06.20 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 20/06/2010 13:52:46 It is pretty clear the ships were killed and then accidentally duped somehow.
Killmails generated, destroyed modules not on the "ghost" ships, and the pilot being elsewhere all point to that.
The question is, should the duped ships be allowed to remain in the game, or should they be removed (no matter which side actually ended up with the ship)?
Personally I think the duped ships should be removed, not because of any particular bias, but rather because of the dangerous precedent it sets. Dead ships should stay dead. I don't want a spooky Eve filled with zombie ships - I have quite enough trouble understanding it without the introduction of a supernatural element ... although maybe there would be scope to give new undead slaying roles to the Paladin?
The only thing that is "clear" is there were multiple server BUGS.
1st Being that after the ships jumped out then logged cause of black screens in another system, they were then respawned back in 6nj and then were killed.
2nd Being that at Downtime the server realized there was an issue of ships missing from a system the server had at one time acknowledge where supposed to be there.
Your logic is that ccp should enforce one bug but not the second. CCPs standing policy is with server errors to NOT intervene. IE the killmails stay, the people who got loot keep it and the ships stay.
You can not pick and choose which bugs to allow and which to rectify. Once again it boils down to as a whole we need to complain to CCP to fix their code. As far as precedence, it has happed before and the "duped" ships as you call them remained ingame.
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.06.20 14:15:00 -
[606]
Originally by: Ishbu
You can not pick and choose which bugs to allow and which to rectify. Once again it boils down to as a whole we need to complain to CCP to fix their code. As far as precedence, it has happed before and the "duped" ships as you call them remained ingame.
You're right, I can't pick and choose.
CCP, however, would be well within their rights to enforce the EULA at their discression. You seem to think that you or I get to decide what is right. We don't. All the information we have comes from the clients, none of us know what happened from the server's point of view.
However, more importantly, my post was about the role of the undead in a sci-fi roleplaying setting. Personally I think CCP should keep that type of content for World of Darkness. Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 16:41:00 -
[607]
How can anyone even be sure that the ships were able to jump out and were not bubbled at the time? I was told that there were so many bubbles on the ships that there was no way there were ever going to jump out. The bug was having them appear to jump out which they could not have which is the reason why they are all dead.. Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:18:00 -
[608]
So which form do I fill out to get a duplicate ghost ship of all the ships I have lost to black screen?
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Ishbu
Gallente Ishukone Factory
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:29:00 -
[609]
Originally by: Marlona Sky So which form do I fill out to get a duplicate ghost ship of all the ships I have lost to black screen?
Same Form I get to fill out to magically make your ship come back to local after you jump out and blackscreen in a new system so I can get killmails?
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:41:00 -
[610]
Originally by: Ishbu Same Form I get to fill out to magically make your ship come back to local after you jump out and blackscreen in a new system so I can get killmails?
Hehehe...
I'm more just bumping this in hopes we can get an update from CCP on their investigation to the ghost ships.
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Josiphine Noir
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:48:00 -
[611]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Ishbu Same Form I get to fill out to magically make your ship come back to local after you jump out and blackscreen in a new system so I can get killmails?
Hehehe...
I'm more just bumping this in hopes we can get an update from CCP on their investigation to the ghost ships.
I have a feeling that if NC is allowed to keep the ships you will end up crying foul and continue on the "CCP Sucks" train but if they aren't you will suddenly love CCP and praise them for making such a wonderful and playable game
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Ishbu
Gallente Ishukone Factory
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Posted - 2010.06.20 17:55:00 -
[612]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Ishbu Same Form I get to fill out to magically make your ship come back to local after you jump out and blackscreen in a new system so I can get killmails?
Hehehe...
I'm more just bumping this in hopes we can get an update from CCP on their investigation to the ghost ships.
No, I understand. I just want to make sure people understand there are multiple bugs that happend NOT just ghost ships. Hopefully CCP will atleast acknowledge the issues and FIX the damn things.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:03:00 -
[613]
Originally by: Josiphine Noir I have a feeling that if NC is allowed to keep the ships you will end up crying foul and continue on the "CCP Sucks" train but if they aren't you will suddenly love CCP and praise them for making such a wonderful and playable game
If CCP allows the ghost ships to remain (keep in mind it was not just NC that boarded the ghost ships that appeared after DT, long after the battle was over, so stop thinking I'm just for their removal because NC is gloating about it) it would be a very hard blow to EVE both in game and out of game. It will be like the T20 scandal all over again. And I am sure everyone, including CCP can remember the extremely bad press they got for that across many gaming websites and magazines.
Duped items are horrible for any game, especially for one like EVE which when something is destroyed, you can not simply walk back and get everything back like in WoW. If these duplicate ships and fittings are allowed to stay in the game, then EVE is no better than WoW and we lose the edge we have over that game. The two main things I like about this game the most is one server and when things are blown up, it has meaning.
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:20:00 -
[614]
Originally by: Marlona Sky If CCP allows the ghost ships to remain (keep in mind it was not just NC that boarded the ghost ships that appeared after DT, long after the battle was over, so stop thinking I'm just for their removal because NC is gloating about it) it would be a very hard blow to EVE both in game and out of game. It will be like the T20 scandal all over again. And I am sure everyone, including CCP can remember the extremely bad press they got for that across many gaming websites and magazines.
Then you should already be doing that. They allowed PL to board 20 of their caps that died in Y-2ANO after the following DT. While some other dude in this thread (dunno how believable he was) started saying he has had ccp run around and blow up his ships after jumping, docking and what not (not the same but quite similar). That's the inconsistency there already. The ****up has already happened. What we are looking at now is damage control from ccp and if they do it in a believable enough way so that the playerbase accept what they are saying. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Ishbu
Gallente Ishukone Factory
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:21:00 -
[615]
So what happens if CCP determines from Server logs that infact the ships did jump and the bug was them respawning, "ghosting", back in 6nj? That is a valid outcome as is the "ships died, ghost ships are deleted."
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:29:00 -
[616]
Originally by: Ishbu So what happens if CCP determines from Server logs that infact the ships did jump and the bug was them respawning, "ghosting", back in 6nj? That is a valid outcome as is the "ships died, ghost ships are deleted."
If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post?
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Ishbu
Gallente Ishukone Factory
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:35:00 -
[617]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Ishbu So what happens if CCP determines from Server logs that infact the ships did jump and the bug was them respawning, "ghosting", back in 6nj? That is a valid outcome as is the "ships died, ghost ships are deleted."
If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post?
I am not forgetting that was said. But you have to remember even if there was a bug there would still be logs of ships dying. It wasnt said if the deaths were valid or not. My argument is the bug is the ships RESPAWNING in 6NJ to be killed after jumping. If the logs show that they are legit kills not caused by them being respawned back in 6NJ then so be it, remove the "ghost ships." I just dont think it is going to be that simple either way for CCP to make the call.
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Jareck Hunter
Caldari Rubicon Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:37:00 -
[618]
How did the GM explain that ships like the ones destroyed, don't say the same ships nobody knows, appeard in the system they had been "jumped" to?
If they never jumped, how does the eve-server know where to place them? ------------------------------------------------- Sorry for my bad english^^ |
Ishbu
Gallente Ishukone Factory
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:09:00 -
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ok match over, more debate on how CCP failed in the 6nj fight
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:29:00 -
[620]
Originally by: Marlona Sky If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post?
well I dunno but there seems to have been quite a few NC that on friday morning (me included) sent e-mails to ccp to get their **** in order and start communicating or this would blow up like a new t20 incident. I got a reply from internal affairs saying they were on top of it.
An hour after that we had that statement by Grimmi, which i am sorry to say just doesn't cut it and only reminds most of us about the ineptness you fight when you petition stuff. It's not exhaustive in any way, it implies stuff they don't substantiate and that goes contrary to how they've handled this before. In short they started off by hiding more than they say and contradict earlier confidential gm communications to pl. If they plan to handle this situation like that response I think they might be better off saying nothing. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:31:00 -
[621]
Originally by: Fred0 Then you should already be doing that. They allowed PL to board 20 of their caps that died in Y-2ANO after the following DT.
How would PL have done this if IT had control of the system after DT? Their KB from that date and after looks like IT camped the cyno spot for days after waiting for people to log in?...I am calling bull**** on the PL boarding ghost ships after DT and if they black screened they never would have been able to jump out either so dont give me that ****...
Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.20 20:15:00 -
[622]
Originally by: Snot Shot
Originally by: Fred0 Then you should already be doing that. They allowed PL to board 20 of their caps that died in Y-2ANO after the following DT.
How would PL have done this if IT had control of the system after DT? Their KB from that date and after looks like IT camped the cyno spot for days after waiting for people to log in?...I am calling bull**** on the PL boarding ghost ships after DT and if they black screened they never would have been able to jump out either so dont give me that ****...
That's because Fred0 is a liar.
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.20 20:23:00 -
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Hardly, I just don't argue with alts. You just have to visit SHC to see it confirmed by several people. Or you could talk to Shamis here on this forum who confirmed this bug. All of them have much much higer credibility than you two.
Or you could hold for the CSM meeting logs for next time where it's sure to show up. :D --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Flikoo
Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.20 20:37:00 -
[624]
Edited by: Flikoo on 20/06/2010 20:37:55
Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 20/06/2010 18:08:20
Originally by: Josiphine Noir I have a feeling that if NC is allowed to keep the ships you will end up crying foul and continue on the "CCP Sucks" train but if they aren't you will suddenly love CCP and praise them for making such a wonderful and playable game
If CCP allows the ghost ships to remain (keep in mind it was not just NC that boarded the ghost ships that appeared after DT, long after the battle was over, so stop thinking I'm just for their removal because NC is gloating about it) it would be a very hard blow to EVE both in game and out of game. It will be like the T20 scandal all over again. And I am sure everyone, including CCP can remember the extremely bad press they got for that across many gaming websites and magazines.
Duped items are horrible for any game, especially for one like EVE which when something is destroyed, you can not simply walk back and get everything back like in WoW. If these duplicate ships and fittings are allowed to stay in the game, then EVE is no better than WoW and we lose the edge we have over that game. The two main things I like about this game the most is one server and when things are blown up, it has meaning.
EDIT to respond to Ishbu above me: I know, I wish all this buggy crap and lag would go away too. Lag and bugs should not be the deciding factor for any fights or territory or anything in that matter. Especially for our EVE. Thats right CCP, I said our, as in the players. We like our sandbox, our worlds, our fights. We have spent, for a lot of us, years shaping it. We don't want bugs and lag to interfere anymore. Anyways, back to useless smacking and such...
Your gonna die NC! Pew pew and stuff!!!!1111twelve!!12222
I hear 2 very contradicting statements, the first is that the titans shouldn't stay, and should be deleted which is interesting because you use the threat of bad media to encourage CCP to delete these titans. It seems like you wish the NC titans to be destroyed because they are NC, even worse, you seem to assume CCP is going to listen to you over evidence left in the server logs of if the ships jumped before they were destroyed or not. It's also a very easy arguement to say those titans surviving are just as possible as them dieing if lag was not a major variable in the battle.
The second, is that lag shouldn't be the deciding factor of a battle, but in the case of EVE nullsec it is, and in this certain battle some Titans should've gotten out but didn't due to lag. Currently lag is the deciding factor of battles, and currently all alliances try to use this to their advantage, so instead of using shameless talk and your female avatar to win the hearts of all us fearless forum warriors, you could just leave it up to the GMs and server logs. |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.20 20:47:00 -
[625]
Let's live in a pretend world, where the titans and supercarriers are removed by CCP.
Good. Now, can we please get back to focusing on the dominion effect, instead of trying to ear**** eachother over some ships which doesn't matter as much as the health of the ****ing gameplay?
Please?
Pretty please?
With a big honking ****ing cherry on top?
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.20 23:43:00 -
[626]
Edited by: Marlona Sky on 20/06/2010 23:44:28
Originally by: Flikoo It seems like you wish the NC titans to be destroyed because they are NC
Let me clarify for you on my feelings about this. All duplicate items including ships should be removed from the game no matter who is in possession of them. Even Vuk said that a non-NC person boarded one of the Titans that was revived after DT. I do not care who has them. They died and whatever blew up with it should stay dead.
Originally by: Flikoo It's also a very easy arguement to say those titans surviving are just as possible as them dieing if lag was not a major variable in the battle.
Multiple people said the battlefield was bubbled to hell and back. So maybe, they did the jump thing, and then the server said, "Oh no you didn't!" and made them say even though on the players view he gets the cap loss thing. But hey, we can theorize back and forth all we want till we are blue in the face on what could have happened and things. All I care about is ships and fittings that die stay dead.
Originally by: Flikoo The second, is that lag shouldn't be the deciding factor of a battle, but in the case of EVE nullsec it is, and in this certain battle some Titans should've gotten out but didn't due to lag.
Now how do you know they should have gotten out? There are is an infinite amount of things that could have happened if lag was not happening. And in a fight involving over a thousand players, no one will ever know. The only thing we can do now is wait for CCP to tell us why the ships that were killed, were revived after DT. I can counter argue your capacitor jump usage with the server showed they were tackled but due to lag, the client on the player side did not register this and thus issued a jump command and used capacitor blah, blah, blah... Ever warp off and then get rubber banded back because you in fact did not warp off on the CCP server side? Yeah, this could be something similar to that. But in the end, we will just have to wait for the CCP findings.
Originally by: Flikoo Currently lag is the deciding factor of battles, and currently all alliances try to use this to their advantage, so instead of using shameless talk and your female avatar to win the hearts of all us fearless forum warriors, you could just leave it up to the GMs and server logs.
We all know lag is a deciding factor right now. I stated that it should not be. Which I am sure 100% of everyone who logs into this game wishes that was the case too.
So in closing, no I did not contradict myself at all. Sorry if me going off what the GM said in this thread upsets you. Maybe you should read it and go off of it as well?
EDIT for Lord TGR: I agree, this new post Dominion effect is definitely not good. CCP, what say you?
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Ocih
Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.21 00:03:00 -
[627]
I dont know why this case was different. If they found a way to log the information they couldnt before. It wouldnt hurt to let everyone know if that is the case. I dont see them applying ISK fixes to all the **** ups in this game. They run 7 years but if people had an idea of what they could expect from battles soured by node instability.
Log in with 12000 in game, be in a que. Log in with 48000 in game and go right to game. Log in with que, close the client, log in again lose que, get right in. I'm not dedicated to a node and congestion doesnt play a role in node assignment. Simple point? Something isnt right. |
Levitikon
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 00:46:00 -
[628]
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Hagen Stein
- Possible item duplication exploits I'm pretty sure a ton of ruthless people already examine how to artifically recreate such scenarios and take advantage of this problem in an attempt to spawn expensive items/ships.
I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be a possibility, as every item has its own unique ID.
Well, it was-slash-is the same in Diablo 2.The effect: flood of dupes, that disappear when they get on the same shard/game. I can be, there si fine chance you could keep your duped titan alive be strolling away from nodes where your original, non-duped titan is.
On unrelated note - your writing is way too coherent and intelligent than GS/F accepted average. I bet you're hatestar on goon forum:) You have my pity for that.
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Malcore Trisus
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.21 00:56:00 -
[629]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Snot Shot
Originally by: Fred0 Then you should already be doing that. They allowed PL to board 20 of their caps that died in Y-2ANO after the following DT.
How would PL have done this if IT had control of the system after DT? Their KB from that date and after looks like IT camped the cyno spot for days after waiting for people to log in?...I am calling bull**** on the PL boarding ghost ships after DT and if they black screened they never would have been able to jump out either so dont give me that ****...
That's because Fred0 is a liar.
No, it's because they jumped to MN5. It's not complicated people.
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Josiphine Noir
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 01:22:00 -
[630]
Can I ask a simple question?
What happens if CCPs investigations show that the ships that were destoryed were the duplicates? Would everyone crying to have them removed accept that answer from the dev team? or will they just cry T20ish foul?
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 02:12:00 -
[631]
Originally by: Malcore Trisus
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Snot Shot
Originally by: Fred0 Then you should already be doing that. They allowed PL to board 20 of their caps that died in Y-2ANO after the following DT.
How would PL have done this if IT had control of the system after DT? Their KB from that date and after looks like IT camped the cyno spot for days after waiting for people to log in?...I am calling bull**** on the PL boarding ghost ships after DT and if they black screened they never would have been able to jump out either so dont give me that ****...
That's because Fred0 is a liar.
No, it's because they jumped to MN5. It's not complicated people.
Mal you need to keep up here if you want to jump in with your dim witted comments......PL has always said they black screened and never loaded grid.....don't know to many people that can jump to cyno if they can't load to do it.. Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
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Shamad Conde
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 02:34:00 -
[632]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1336772
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kra torii
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 03:30:00 -
[633]
I'm guessing Snot Shot is either some kind of terrible troll, or an alt or maybe even both.
I also think he has the hots for the NC and PL as he's always trying to find some way of trolling them.
Don't worry Mr. Shot. I still love you.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.21 03:44:00 -
[634]
Originally by: Marlona Sky Now how do you know they should have gotten out? There are is an infinite amount of things that could have happened if lag was not happening. And in a fight involving over a thousand players, no one will ever know. The only thing we can do now is wait for CCP to tell us why the ships that were killed, were revived after DT. I can counter argue your capacitor jump usage with the server showed they were tackled but due to lag, the client on the player side did not register this and thus issued a jump command and used capacitor blah, blah, blah...
If CCP have made it so the client decides when to not just try to initiate cynoing out, but to actually perform the whole "start the new process on the new server"-procedure, then we have a nice way of cheating within EVE. I'm hoping that this isn't the case, and that the sensible thing is the case, i.e. yes, the client tells the server to initiate cynoing out (just like you can cycle your guns by manually deactivating them on the guy you're shooting at), the server checks if the client's ship is actually tackled or not, and only then initiates the cyno procedure and transfers control of the client's ship to the new node, but either can't clean up the old ship properly due to CPU usage, or the act of cleaning up a ship's session is seriously down-prioritized (what with the problem of ghost ships on your overview even if you've shot them 10-15 minutes (or a few hours vOv) ago.
Actually, the latter would explain why the ships we kill in high load situations stick around so damn long. They're damn annoying.
Originally by: Marlona Sky Ever warp off and then get rubber banded back because you in fact did not warp off on the CCP server side? Yeah, this could be something similar to that. But in the end, we will just have to wait for the CCP findings.
The warp and rubberband back is probably because your client is setup to pretend to start warping to make you less about lag, and once every second (or whatever) the server is telling the client "oh no you didn't, this is where you're supposed to be at", and the client starts all over again trying to warp, is told "oh no you didn't" etc etc etc.
I'm serious, if they've shortcircuited the client to the extent it can initiate cynoing and get you transferred to a different node without being corrected fairly quickly (...we are talking about a loaded node, so "quickly" may be relative), then we have a much, much bigger problem on our hands, and this should definitely be prioritized right up there with figuring out where the gridload/session change issue came from.
Note I said where, not when.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.21 03:56:00 -
[635]
Originally by: Lord TGR
Originally by: Marlona Sky Now how do you know they should have gotten out? There are is an infinite amount of things that could have happened if lag was not happening. And in a fight involving over a thousand players, no one will ever know. The only thing we can do now is wait for CCP to tell us why the ships that were killed, were revived after DT. I can counter argue your capacitor jump usage with the server showed they were tackled but due to lag, the client on the player side did not register this and thus issued a jump command and used capacitor blah, blah, blah...
If CCP have made it so the client decides when to not just try to initiate cynoing out, but to actually perform the whole "start the new process on the new server"-procedure, then we have a nice way of cheating within EVE. I'm hoping that this isn't the case, and that the sensible thing is the case, i.e. yes, the client tells the server to initiate cynoing out (just like you can cycle your guns by manually deactivating them on the guy you're shooting at), the server checks if the client's ship is actually tackled or not, and only then initiates the cyno procedure and transfers control of the client's ship to the new node, but either can't clean up the old ship properly due to CPU usage, or the act of cleaning up a ship's session is seriously down-prioritized (what with the problem of ghost ships on your overview even if you've shot them 10-15 minutes (or a few hours vOv) ago.
Actually, the latter would explain why the ships we kill in high load situations stick around so damn long. They're damn annoying.
Originally by: Marlona Sky Ever warp off and then get rubber banded back because you in fact did not warp off on the CCP server side? Yeah, this could be something similar to that. But in the end, we will just have to wait for the CCP findings.
The warp and rubberband back is probably because your client is setup to pretend to start warping to make you less about lag, and once every second (or whatever) the server is telling the client "oh no you didn't, this is where you're supposed to be at", and the client starts all over again trying to warp, is told "oh no you didn't" etc etc etc.
I'm serious, if they've shortcircuited the client to the extent it can initiate cynoing and get you transferred to a different node without being corrected fairly quickly (...we are talking about a loaded node, so "quickly" may be relative), then we have a much, much bigger problem on our hands, and this should definitely be prioritized right up there with figuring out where the gridload/session change issue came from.
Note I said where, not when.
Not entirely sure but I gather you are basically saying, "The lag sucks ass right now and ruins fleet fights and other game mechanics." To this, I agree over 9000%.
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D4rkF4lcon
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.21 04:00:00 -
[636]
Snot shot best troll, even if not the most informed one.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.21 04:02:00 -
[637]
Originally by: Marlona Sky Not entirely sure but I gather you are basically saying, "The lag sucks ass right now and ruins fleet fights and other game mechanics." To this, I agree over 9000%.
I did a sort of TLDR of my entire not-quite-woken-up ramblings. See if that doesn't summarize things sufficiently.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.21 04:24:00 -
[638]
Originally by: Lord TGR
1) the GMs have manually put them there
Can't be that because:
Originally by: GM Grimmi the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters.
So that leaves us with:
Originally by: Lord TGR 2) they did indeed cyno out to that system, and thus either weren't tackled and should've been safe, or 3) the client tricked the destination node to accept them even if the source node had them tackled, in which case we have a nice way of cheating your way out of a heavily loaded system, which would be a very, very serious issue and one of the top priorities of CCP to find and close.
So yeah, I agree. Now we just have to wait for the official CCP findings on their investigation. Anyone down for an office pool on when this will be without going over on the time and date?
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Veronique deEstelle
Gallente 3M Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.21 05:44:00 -
[639]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Ishbu So what happens if CCP determines from Server logs that infact the ships did jump and the bug was them respawning, "ghosting", back in 6nj? That is a valid outcome as is the "ships died, ghost ships are deleted."
If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post?
He also states that they still investigating the case. Why do you guys keep reading only the part of his post that fits your agenda?
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.21 05:54:00 -
[640]
Originally by: Veronique deEstelle
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Ishbu So what happens if CCP determines from Server logs that infact the ships did jump and the bug was them respawning, "ghosting", back in 6nj? That is a valid outcome as is the "ships died, ghost ships are deleted."
If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post?
He also states that they still investigating the case. Why do you guys keep reading only the part of his post that fits your agenda?
I already read all of his post and commented and all on everything. Perhaps you should read the whole thread before posting.
But again, right now we are just doing the waiting game. We are all tired of theorizing and such. We are simply waiting for the CCP findings. Which, no matter what happens, I am sure there will be a lot of rage. Maybe they will just wipe out every ship that was involved in the fight? Now that would be lulz.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.21 06:32:00 -
[641]
Now that would set a nice precedent: "lag out, get your supercarrier killed, whine about it and get EVERY ship wiped out, including your enemies".
I know EVE is supposed to be harsh, but let's not get too carried away.
(In case it's not obvious from the text, this is mostly joking.)
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Murauke
Caldari Red White and Blue R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.21 08:03:00 -
[642]
Anyone got any answers from CCP yet on this?
Answers i do not wish to read: NC are BFF's with GM's or any 541t along that line, i am more bothered at reading what CCP are doing to keep my business as the state of the game at the moment is not worth my hard earn cash i am more than confident that there are a lot of other 0.0, pvp characters that are just as unhappy too regardless of which alliance you play the game.
remember ladies and gents its a game!
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 08:36:00 -
[643]
i've seen allot of nc ppl claiming on this topic "we lost due to lag"; just to be clear, few "corections" are needed:
Quote:
- NC Supercaps, support and caps were on battlefield before our(WN) super fleet, loaded and fighted agains our BSs
- We warped in to their grid and loaded after risking to lose everything in lag or be divided and shooted with several parts
- NC watched at our not-loaded supercaps and started to think how to get away of this ***t, planning to save themselves. - Panic and cowardice were causes of NC losing this battle
so, in fact, the lagmonster was on nc side at the starting point.
also,tinfoil hat on, those "ghost" titans killed in battle buyed allot of time for nc to get the rest of theyr supercap fleet out of the field....
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 10:00:00 -
[644]
I have a question that i havnt got answeard in this gigantic posting madness
If I go to a bar (we talkin RL now people) and I go to a random girl of choice and out myself to be Shadoo in eve, how much bigger is the chance I get laid instead of saying Im Ace Frehley in Eve? I wanna know if it worth it pretending be an angry finish FC or not
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Lofe sXe
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.21 10:25:00 -
[645]
Originally by: Ace Frehley I have a question that i havnt got answeard in this gigantic posting madness
If I go to a bar (we talkin RL now people) and I go to a random girl of choice and out myself to be Shadoo in eve, how much bigger is the chance I get laid instead of saying Im Ace Frehley in Eve? I wanna know if it worth it pretending be an angry finish FC or not
sure you cannot pretend to be a good poster
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 10:35:00 -
[646]
Originally by: Lofe sXe
Originally by: Ace Frehley I have a question that i havnt got answeard in this gigantic posting madness
If I go to a bar (we talkin RL now people) and I go to a random girl of choice and out myself to be Shadoo in eve, how much bigger is the chance I get laid instead of saying Im Ace Frehley in Eve? I wanna know if it worth it pretending be an angry finish FC or not
sure you cannot pretend to be a good poster
I havent found a good poster, so I can pretend beeing him... cuz you sure arnt one....
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Faekurias
Caldari Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 10:36:00 -
[647]
Is there really nothing else to talk/spam about? Nothing else going on whatsoever?
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2010.06.21 10:53:00 -
[648]
Originally by: Faekurias Is there really nothing else to talk/spam about? Nothing else going on whatsoever?
I farted earlier and it smelled awful, wanna disguss ?
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Meno Theaetetus
Gallente Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 11:30:00 -
[649]
My last post in this migraine of a thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID
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CATTYS
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 13:42:00 -
[650]
jesus after reading 20 pages I have a terrible headache....so at the end nc titans are.... 1. some really lose 2. some are back..via unknown jove bleasing intervention
so hope this threat will end....22 page is already 2 much
gm close plz....
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 13:49:00 -
[651]
Originally by: CATTYS jesus after reading 20 pages I have a terrible headache....so at the end nc titans are.... 1. some really lose 2. some are back..via unknown jove bleasing intervention
so hope this threat will end....22 page is already 2 much
gm close plz....
jove blessing has nothing to do with it
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Hagen Stein
Minmatar Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 14:38:00 -
[652]
Originally by: Snot Shot
How can anyone even be sure that the ships were able to jump out and were not bubbled at the time?
From what I've gathered by reading this thread: the target system did load for those pilots. IIRC, there was even one screenshot taken from th target system by one pilot.
Which shouldn't be the case, if they were bubbled and thus were unable to jump.
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Yahuang Doujiao
Gallente The Nerd Herd
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Posted - 2010.06.21 15:43:00 -
[653]
Originally by: Hagen Stein Edited by: Hagen Stein on 21/06/2010 14:51:10 [Added] After reading the following posts, it might be possible that they were bubbled (from the bubbler's perspective) and also were not bubbled (from the capital pilot's perspective), if the client decides about its condition, not the server - which would be a really bad mistake for an MMO: the client never decides anything!
I don't think that's possible. One of the reasons it's nigh impossible to cheat in Eve is because, as you said, the client doesn't decide anything.
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.21 16:31:00 -
[654]
Originally by: Hagen Stein Edited by: Hagen Stein on 21/06/2010 14:51:10
Originally by: Snot Shot
How can anyone even be sure that the ships were able to jump out and were not bubbled at the time?
From what I've gathered by reading this thread: the target system did load for those pilots. IIRC, there was even one screenshot taken from th target system by one pilot.
Which shouldn't be the case, if they were bubbled and thus were unable to jump.
the NC super cap was way larger then 6 titans and 2 sc; then what happent with the rest of the fleet? they cynoed out well and fine.
also:
Quote: Our supercap fleet primary is Ragnarok Sala Cameron, leader of NC titan wing accoring to our spy info. Titan was jumped out and our thoughts is "that something goes wrong" Actually pilot is very skilled and lucky guy - he was bumped out of main NC titans and was far away of thir main fleet. Our damage from not fully loaded supercaps haven't been too big to kill him fast. This guy actually had a steel balls, after his jumping out, pilot again cynoed in system and could see how we killed those who were under his commands.
from this batlereport, we find that at least one titan cynoed out and back in, on the battlefield, so the "cynoing out bug" theory don't hold watter; he was untackled, and succesfully cynoed out; also vast majority of nc sc cynoed out with no problems; the only supercapitals that where "ruberbanded" back to the sistem where the scrambled/bubbled ones.
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Thorir
Gallente Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 21:28:00 -
[655]
bump ?
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PCaBoo
Caldari Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.22 00:26:00 -
[656]
So I guess the following no longer applies? Cuz I got a bunch of ships I lost, that I would like to repetition :D
Quote: Hi, If you are part of a fleet engagement, being in the same system, we cannot reimburse, no matter the condition of our server. If we start reimbursing in those conditions than any party can force reimbursement by simply getting enough pilots to produce lag or any other side effect of a heavy load. That means we would have to reimburse any and all losses from every fleet engagement, including changes to sovereignty or the loss of sovereignty structures. Our petition system and reimbursement policy would become a tool for in game parties to defend their assets or to manipulate the political and military landscape. For these reasons we cannot deviate from our policy and for these reasons we cannot reimburse any losses suffered from a fleet battle. With kind regards, GM ####### The EVE Online Customer Support Team CCP Games
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Daedhead
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.22 01:43:00 -
[657]
Originally by: PCaBoo So I guess the following no longer applies? Cuz I got a bunch of ships I lost, that I would like to repetition :D
Quote: Hi, If you are part of a fleet engagement, being in the same system, we cannot reimburse, no matter the condition of our server. If we start reimbursing in those conditions than any party can force reimbursement by simply getting enough pilots to produce lag or any other side effect of a heavy load. That means we would have to reimburse any and all losses from every fleet engagement, including changes to sovereignty or the loss of sovereignty structures. Our petition system and reimbursement policy would become a tool for in game parties to defend their assets or to manipulate the political and military landscape. For these reasons we cannot deviate from our policy and for these reasons we cannot reimburse any losses suffered from a fleet battle. With kind regards, GM ####### The EVE Online Customer Support Team CCP Games
Actually this very policy is why CCP won't remove the duped titans.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.22 02:03:00 -
[658]
Originally by: Daedhead
Originally by: PCaBoo So I guess the following no longer applies? Cuz I got a bunch of ships I lost, that I would like to repetition :D
Quote: Hi, If you are part of a fleet engagement, being in the same system, we cannot reimburse, no matter the condition of our server. If we start reimbursing in those conditions than any party can force reimbursement by simply getting enough pilots to produce lag or any other side effect of a heavy load. That means we would have to reimburse any and all losses from every fleet engagement, including changes to sovereignty or the loss of sovereignty structures. Our petition system and reimbursement policy would become a tool for in game parties to defend their assets or to manipulate the political and military landscape. For these reasons we cannot deviate from our policy and for these reasons we cannot reimburse any losses suffered from a fleet battle. With kind regards, GM ####### The EVE Online Customer Support Team CCP Games
Actually this very policy is why CCP won't remove the duped titans.
You are assuming an awful lot there. They are investigating are they not?
This entire thread is nothing but people that are part of the NC or fan boys that are hoping CCP does not remove the ships that appeared after DT, and people that are part of the SC or fan boys that are hoping CCP does remove the ships that appeared after DT.
Lets just wait for the findings from the investigation. How many days has it been anyways?
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Daedhead
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.22 02:24:00 -
[659]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
You are assuming an awful lot there.
Not really, I'm assuming that the duped titans are a result of lag and bad coding. If that's the case, then CCP won't go against their own rules and precedent and the NC will keep their titans. It's really not that complicated.
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PCaBoo
Caldari Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.22 02:27:00 -
[660]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
This entire thread is nothing but people that are part of the NC or fan boys that are hoping CCP does not remove the ships that appeared after DT, and people that are part of the SC or fan boys that are hoping CCP does remove the ships that appeared after DT.
Lets just wait for the findings from the investigation. How many days has it been anyways?
confirming that I hate the NC. FU NC! It has only been a few days, but i'm betting CCP drags this along and/or never responds.
________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
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Darth Kailyn
Minmatar BESTIAL CARNAGE Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 03:33:00 -
[661]
You are assuming an awful lot there. They are investigating are they not?
This entire thread is nothing but people that are part of the NC or fan boys that are hoping CCP does not remove the ships that appeared after DT, and people that are part of the SC or fan boys that are hoping CCP does remove the ships that appeared after DT.
Lets just wait for the findings from the investigation. How many days has it been anyways?
Apparently I missed something, but 17 pages of this "NC" thread is filled with SC talking about NC tears. then it switched to SC crying "Oh God the NC is BFF's with the GM's! CRY!!!!!!!1!! PRZ mister GM's don't give them back their titanz!!!!
Posting in this magical place where there is invisible NC poasters crying about titans dying, and the SC chestbeating it into a pulp after yet again another dissapointing "were gonna break up the north campaign."
I know im a terrible poster. Carry on gents.
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Veronique deEstelle
Gallente 3M Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.22 04:37:00 -
[662]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Veronique deEstelle
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Ishbu So what happens if CCP determines from Server logs that infact the ships did jump and the bug was them respawning, "ghosting", back in 6nj? That is a valid outcome as is the "ships died, ghost ships are deleted."
If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post?
He also states that they still investigating the case. Why do you guys keep reading only the part of his post that fits your agenda?
I already read all of his post and commented and all on everything. Perhaps you should read the whole thread before posting.
As I see it you did interpret his post... exept the part where it says that the matter is still under investigation. And yes, I read the whole thread so I also found your post where you bolded the parts important to you. I just kinda disagree with your choice.
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Botia Macracantha
Minmatar freelancers inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.06.22 05:32:00 -
[663]
OK, I have a question or two (coz I haven't seen anything posted to this effect), but has anyone asked about the tactics that the original "well constructed trap" was based on ?
Looking at descriptions of the numbers of ships (much fewer in number) deployed to take on the NC fleet, surely they were planning to rely on grid loading issues to kill the larger incoming forces?
And so my second question is, at what point does this become an exploit, knowing what the outcome of logonski of forces in system would be ? (yes there is a post up there somewhere that implied a good portion of the anti-NC forces logged on when the NC Titan forces jumped in - leaving their already loaded "bait" fleet to own the field).
End of the day, we all missed out on being part of an epic fight thanks to the state of the game in recent months. If both sides had fully loaded, who knows what might have happened ? My frustration was sitting for 4 hours trying to load, eventually flying out without firing a shot. As for the SuperCaps, I am not going to add to the debate over which was the false spawn - this was a symptom of a failing game, the root cause fix is of more interest - assuming CCP are going to deliver one ...
I can't believe that CCP aren't putting effort into identifying the duff coding or whatever, but I can believe they might be reaching unpalatable (for them) conclusions over the fixes needed i.e. some or all recent feature additions would have to be removed. And since planet facilities have spread like a disease, I doubt that this will be sacrificed (for example). This, to me, explains CCP silence on this issue more clearly than the 20+ pages of rage and counter rage.
I am approaching my 7th year in the game, and sure, I have whinged a bit at changes over the years, but the extent that CCP seem unable to prioritise large scale PVP is now a serious concern for me. The recent promotional efforts are all geared towards showing a mode of gameplay that the game can no longer sustain. And yet, by not being seen to address the deficiencies in large scale combat, perhaps CCP are admitting this area of the game is unimportant to them from a revenue standpoint. Videos of rock munchers, level 4 hisec mission runners, and Jita 4-4 station market screen might be a more honest view of the current game. Someone's St. Bernard has taken a dump in the sandbox, and is doing a poor job of burying it.
Dear CCP, unless your plan is to p1ss enough people off so that the load on the servers reduces through natural wastage, please, please, scale back work on DUST, walking in stations, and planet humping v1.02, and accelerate (get to?) work on 0.0 fleet / sov warefare so SC and NC can get back to slapping each other around in whatever numbers they choose to field.
Of course, if the issues above aren't a priority because it doesn't get more money in the game, carry on. I for one dont need all the accounts I currently run for such a game, and I guess I am not alone. Don't be surprised if you see an increase in toon shuffling / account consolidation from PVPers if the game continues to fail them.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:02:00 -
[664]
Originally by: Marlona Sky Lets just wait for the findings from the investigation. How many days has it been anyways?
Not enough, and too much, both at the same time.
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Gertrud ToD
Minmatar Terrorists of Dimensions Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:31:00 -
[665]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Multiple people said the battlefield was bubbled to hell and back.
bubble exploits!!!
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:52:00 -
[666]
Originally by: Botia Macracantha
OK, I have a question or two (coz I haven't seen anything posted to this effect), but has anyone asked about the tactics that the original "well constructed trap" was based on ?
Looking at descriptions of the numbers of ships (much fewer in number) deployed to take on the NC fleet, surely they were planning to rely on grid loading issues to kill the larger incoming forces?
And so my second question is, at what point does this become an exploit, knowing what the outcome of logonski of forces in system would be ? (yes there is a post up there somewhere that implied a good portion of the anti-NC forces logged on when the NC Titan forces jumped in - leaving their already loaded "bait" fleet to own the field).
there was no logosky trap involved:
Quote: We started cyno at our pos for conter-hotdrop; we started cyno after all NC supercaps where on the battlefield, countered and bubbled. Our supercaps alligned to bv- gate and WARP IN GRID WHERE ALL NC SUPERCAPS AND CAPS ARE ALREADY LOADED and grid was full of drones.
WN supercap fleet cynoed in sistem after the nc fleet, but not on the battlefield(like nc fleet), they cynoed at WN tower, loaded sistem, and then warped to BV- gate where the battle was already started. Also 6nj it's rebelion home sistem, tere is no way someone will be able to logoff there a capitall fleet without anyone noticing it
btw, you can find the larger br on shc
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gala gidas
Amarr Parental Control Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.22 07:57:00 -
[667]
People move on... the thread was getting boring from page 10..now its just sad...
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Zuquar Bonaparte
Gallente New Dawn Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.22 10:39:00 -
[668]
Originally by: Botia Macracantha OK, I have a question or two (coz I haven't seen anything posted to this effect), but has anyone asked about the tactics that the original "well constructed trap" was based on ?
Looking at descriptions of the numbers of ships (much fewer in number) deployed to take on the NC fleet, surely they were planning to rely on grid loading issues to kill the larger incoming forces?
And so my second question is, at what point does this become an exploit, knowing what the outcome of logonski of forces in system would be ? (yes there is a post up there somewhere that implied a good portion of the anti-NC forces logged on when the NC Titan forces jumped in - leaving their already loaded "bait" fleet to own the field).
first off all there is a battlereport on scrapheap you should try read, about a well planned attack from WN and friends.the trap did not involve counting on lag issues but the fact that NC thru weeks have been useing titans like battleships . 2nd , if this should be an exploit to use lag and loading problems as a tactic then maybe you should petition Nc for useing that as there main tactic thruout the time that has gone since dominion was introduced. about outnumberd , i can only say that many from WN side never even got on any killmails as they never loaded grid or targets to infact get a shot off on anything, myself included. you state that the logonski was an effort to cause load problems, but the truth is that loggin off titan pilots so the enemy can not see they are online is the only way to get NC to actually fall for the bait it was, as every serious FC has knowledge of the other sides online titans, and it was done so NC thought they was safe to use there titan bs fleet as the battlereport allso will show you.
i am not trying to troll for any side on this, yes there are big issues with the server when it comes to battles like this, and it needs to be dealt with no matter who gets to keep there ships or them being removed from the game.
I totally agree about CCP should put more effort into fixing these issues, iv said for years now that expansion every year is a bad thing and the only thing CCP really cares about is winning the game off the year award so they can sell more accounts, wich is why my advise to everyone would be stop voting on diffrent sites for eve to be the best game ever every year until they actually fix such issues, as all you actually are doing is help CCP get more customers and care less about fixing issues. Once they start fixing issues like this and bugs that has been in game for years , then i think everyone again should vote this game for game of the year award as it is an absolutely awesome game if there wasnt such a big amount of frustration involved for ppl that love it as much as you and I aparently do.
"primary the Freki " "ok ok but which 1!!" |
Botia Macracantha
Minmatar freelancers inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.06.22 19:14:00 -
[669]
Thx for the tip to read the scrapheap report. This from the non-NC scout :
"... First change came around 18.50 as I was doing new safespots all around system : cyno up and blues jumping in and/or logging in. Local soon rised to 569,..."
So first numbers escalation was from the non-NC side jumping into what was to that point a BS engagement it sounds like. Following that escalation, NC try to make a decisive counter move - game fails. I've underlined the part that relates to my earlier question, which i guess is answered.
Anyway, I wasn't looking for a troll fest - main point of my post was that the game is reduced to "he who loads first wins". Neither side can restrain the urge to escalate when it gets suddenly outnumbered - seems natural to me, and not an NC-only tactic as your scout's report affirms.
To the other guy - If you aren't interested, don't post.
As for me, my curiosity is satisfied, thank-you.
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Crucifier
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.22 19:21:00 -
[670]
Originally by: Botia Macracantha Thx for the tip to read the scrapheap report. This from the non-NC scout :
"... First change came around 18.50 as I was doing new safespots all around system : cyno up and blues jumping in and/or logging in. Local soon rised to 569,..."
So first numbers escalation was from the non-NC side jumping into what was to that point a BS engagement it sounds like. Following that escalation, NC try to make a decisive counter move - game fails. I've underlined the part that relates to my earlier question, which i guess is answered.
Anyway, I wasn't looking for a troll fest - main point of my post was that the game is reduced to "he who loads first wins". Neither side can restrain the urge to escalate when it gets suddenly outnumbered - seems natural to me, and not an NC-only tactic as your scout's report affirms.
To the other guy - If you aren't interested, don't post.
As for me, my curiosity is satisfied, thank-you.
I refuse to believe a member of my species can be that mentally handicapped. NC supercaps were loaded before WN supercaps jumped in. That's the only thing that matters in that engagement.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:24:00 -
[671]
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Sextus Licinius
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:25:00 -
[672]
Pointless to talk about who loaded or not. After 15-25 mins we were bridged in, we had to relog and a few of us managed to load, only to not be able to target anything, even if i could control my ship, moving and warping around fine. Never experienced this kind of "lag" or whatever that was before.
"These people that we've wasted today are the finest human beings ever. When we'll rotate back in the world, we gonna miss not having anyone worth shooting...
Full Metal Jacket" |
PCaBoo
Caldari Quam Singulari Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.06.23 08:59:00 -
[673]
Must be some epic investigating. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:06:00 -
[674]
I think CCP is hoping we all forget about thisàà Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!! |
PCaBoo
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:15:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Snot Shot I think CCP is hoping we all forget about thisàà
CCC ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:11:00 -
[676]
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Well? We are still waiting? What's the deal? Are you going to let your NC GM buddies keep the titans or what?
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Facepalm
Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:18:00 -
[677]
Geez these BoB guys sure want to be able to call someone else out on "GM misconduct" issues. I wonder why... |
Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:32:00 -
[678]
Edited by: Marlona Sky on 24/06/2010 23:32:35 Relax guys. It was a bug(s) that caused <insert whatever fits your spin here> and they are trying to figure out what. It is a lose lose situation for CCP right now. If they remove them NC + all supports of NC will scream that SC has DEVs working for them. If they stay then SC + all supports of NC will scream that NC has DEVs working for them.
Why would anyone be in a rush to face that mess?
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PCaBoo
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:36:00 -
[679]
Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 24/06/2010 23:32:35 Relax guys. It was a bug(s) that caused <insert whatever fits your spin here> and they are trying to figure out what. It is a lose lose situation for CCP right now. If they remove them NC + all supports of NC will scream that SC has DEVs working for them. If they stay then SC + all supports of NC will scream that NC has DEVs working for them.
Why would anyone be in a rush to face that mess?
I think it's better to **** off half of eve or the other, rather than enrage us all. :p |
IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:59:00 -
[680]
This thread is now about Brett Farve
and Tim Teebow |
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:00:00 -
[681]
Originally by: PCaBoo
Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 24/06/2010 23:32:35 Relax guys. It was a bug(s) that caused <insert whatever fits your spin here> and they are trying to figure out what. It is a lose lose situation for CCP right now. If they remove them NC + all supports of NC will scream that SC has DEVs working for them. If they stay then SC + all supports of NC will scream that NC has DEVs working for them.
Why would anyone be in a rush to face that mess?
I think it's better to **** off half of eve or the other, rather than enrage us all. :p
NC are not enraged at the moment. They have the ships that are under investigation and are using them daily. They are in no rush for an answer on the possibility they are taken away.
My guess is CCP has the answer already. Right now they are trying to come up with a careful way to present the results to the players to have the least possible rage at them.
For anyone that would like a smiley presentation on current and past events on this, please see below:
Before Fight NC: SC:
NC Jumps Into Trap NC: SC:
NC Loses Supercaps NC: SC:
Right after DT NC: SC: CCP:
Hope everyone is up to speed now. |
Ishbu
Gallente Ishukone Factory
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:26:00 -
[682]
Edited by: Ishbu on 25/06/2010 02:28:11
Originally by: Marlona Sky
For anyone that would like a smiley presentation on current and past events on this, please see below:
Before Fight NC: SC:
NC Jumps Into Trap NC: SC:
NC Jumps Most SuperCaps out to emergency Cynos leaving some to die NC: SC:
NC Loses All Supercaps, even those that jumped out to a new system NC: SC:
Right after DT NC: SC: CCP: server logs show.... wait a min wtf
Hope everyone is up to speed now.
*fixed it for you :P |
Anikadir
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:22:00 -
[683]
So I take that if you lose your SC or Titan to a lagfest (or any other ship for that matter), you can now file a petition and ask for it to be reimbursed as the precedent has been set by NC getting theirs back, no questions asked
I remember how well SWG went when they started slowly removing the death penalties, and what a classic, well populated game that turned out to be |
Spyra Gryra
Amarr Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:27:00 -
[684]
Originally by: Anikadir So I take that if you lose your SC or Titan to a lagfest (or any other ship for that matter), you can now file a petition and ask for it to be reimbursed as the precedent has been set by NC getting theirs back, no questions asked
I remember how well SWG went when they started slowly removing the death penalties, and what a classic, well populated game that turned out to be
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:59:00 -
[685]
heh, enjoy your new titans NC! |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:32:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Anikadir So I take that if you lose your SC or Titan to a lagfest (or any other ship for that matter), you can now file a petition and ask for it to be reimbursed as the precedent has been set by NC getting theirs back, no questions asked
So what are you doing to entice CCP to do something about the root cause of this whole situation? Just whine about how NC "cheated"?
That's clever. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:54:00 -
[687]
Originally by: Anikadir So I take that if you lose your SC or Titan to a lagfest (or any other ship for that matter), you can now file a petition and ask for it to be reimbursed as the precedent has been set by NC getting theirs back, no questions asked
First of all, the GM specifically stated they were not returned by a GM. Second of all, questions are being asked and CCP are investigating. |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:16:00 -
[688]
Originally by: Marlona Sky First of all, the GM specifically stated they were not returned by a GM. Second of all, questions are being asked and CCP are investigating.
Still waiting. :P
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IronGoldenEagle
Caldari The New Era C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:44:00 -
[689]
Brett Favre ahd to undergo surgery, but not to his throwing arm, so he should be good for another year. Still age, and an increased lack of mobility won't help the Vikings get anywhere near the NC Championship again.
Denver is kinda bad now and I doubt Teebow will help with that. Alot say his style isn't suited for the NFL and they may be right, but I'm willing to give him a shot and see if Denver does what Florida did and rebuilds the team around his unique style of play. __________________________________
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Robert Ger
Caldari Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:23:00 -
[690]
ok-- alot of nc tears sc tears... and some good stuff...
look, and think again, in large battles, u hav some times the problem, that u reload guns but they did not load, only ammo was used.. next in big battles sometimes, u mwd¦s out and got pwnzed u fly anyways away, but u saw ur ship wreck, yes a ghostship next, the caps ships jumped? why without the destroyed mods ? thats all speak for dead ships, and for old dominion bug, so delete the ghost ships, and pls fix this :)
dead titans are dead, like the wrecks
Originally by: Katsina Imperian, he is my hero, I love him, I am going to hug him and squeeze him and love him and call him George.
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kra torii
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:35:00 -
[691]
Originally by: Robert Ger ok-- alot of nc tears sc tears... and some good stuff...
look, and think again, in large battles, u hav some times the problem, that u reload guns but they did not load, only ammo was used.. next in big battles sometimes, u mwd¦s out and got pwnzed u fly anyways away, but u saw ur ship wreck, yes a ghostship next, the caps ships jumped? why without the destroyed mods ? thats all speak for dead ships, and for old dominion bug, so delete the ghost ships, and pls fix this :)
dead titans are dead, like the wrecks
I'm going to hazard a guess and say English isn't your first language.
I understand what you're saying about the guns not cycling, and I have no idea if the recent server move has helped anything, but still.
The GM stated that nothing was returned by them, yet things still appeared in space after downtime.
I honestly don't know why there is still a debate over this, it's been GM verified and both sides lost/won something here.
Move on people!
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Agent Known
Caldari Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.06.26 00:02:00 -
[692]
I always thought loading the system didn't matter...it was loading grid when you landed. It's one thing when you jump into a full grid, but it's a similar lag issue when you warp into one.
The whole duping thing was probably a conflict between the nodes on whether or not the ships actually cynoed our correctly. Since there is a session change when you cyno, we can assume the server is "handing off" your session to another node. If the sending node never gets a response saying "session loaded here, trash yours" due to lag, you have ghost ships. I know some MMOs also have client-side item caching which makes it easy to "fake" dupes, but it doesn't really apply in this case.
Anyway....*grabs some popcorn and Quafe* On another note, I also have an annoying sig. |
Toko Baru
Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:07:00 -
[693]
Originally by: Marlona Sky For anyone that would like a smiley presentation on current and past events on this, please see below:
Before Fight NC: SC:
NC Jumps Into Trap NC: SC:
NC Loses Supercaps NC: SC:
Right after DT NC: SC: CCP:
Hope everyone is up to speed now.
That's funny btw great make smiles it mate
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:30:00 -
[694]
Honestly Robert Ger, you can't have been there because your view of reality is so far away from anything I've encountered before.
Quote: cei-fred0: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1337682&page=23#682 - what a genius rawr-sala-cameron: Robert Ger is probably the biggest german ****** in the game you can find :p rawr-sala-cameron: well I actually don't know if he's german rawr-sala-cameron: because his english is better than his german actually rawr-imperian: he is, and all germans hate him. rawr-imperian: literally
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PCaBoo
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.06.26 21:33:00 -
[695]
I guess they get to keep them. Otherwise, there's probably an even bigger headache from the people who have been killed by those supercaps since the incident happened.
GJ CCP. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.27 02:30:00 -
[696]
10 days now CCP. Any updates on the incident?
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.27 13:40:00 -
[697]
I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. The players aren't making enough of a stink about it, so it's probably just being quietly ignored.
I'll happily be proven wrong, though.
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PCaBoo
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.06.27 15:47:00 -
[698]
Originally by: Lord TGR I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. The players aren't making enough of a stink about it, so it's probably just being quietly ignored.
I'll happily be proven wrong, though.
So their strategy of ignore it til it goes away works again. =\ ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.27 17:27:00 -
[699]
Maybe they need a little push, because it appears that unless thereÆs an article in some game magazine about this, CCP will try to ignore their paying customers request for explanation about their failed code, blatant favoritism and inability to act on this matter.
The truth will set you free
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JuGGeR
Caldari Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.28 01:41:00 -
[700]
Originally by: Metal Dude Maybe they need a little push, because it appears that unless thereÆs an article in some game magazine about this, CCP will try to ignore their paying customers request for explanation about their failed code, blatant favoritism and inability to act on this matter.
2nd that 1 / signed
Phantomsquad |
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Deki
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.28 01:48:00 -
[701]
I will post update when CCP publishes minutes from CSM meetings.
Vuk
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Tiger's Spirit
Caldari 24th Imperial Guard
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Posted - 2010.06.28 05:00:00 -
[702]
Originally by: Marlona Sky 10 days now CCP. Any updates on the incident?
Yes they still investigating what server hax used the russians. :D
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ThaDollaGenerale
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.28 11:03:00 -
[703]
Can we just lock this thread?
It's obvious that there is no more constructive posting in here. Just flames.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.28 13:31:00 -
[704]
Originally by: Deki I will post update when CCP publishes minutes from CSM meetings.
Vuk
And why the **** do you have more info than the rest of us? This ship resurrection after down time affected all of us at the same time. CCP should share any new information with all of us at the same time.
Unless of course your trying to secure more bets and then let CCP know it is ok for them to let the rest of us in on the big secret? It has become quickly obvious representing the player base as well as communicating with us is the very last thing on your agenda. How quickly once elected some CSM delegates turn their back on the community.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.06.28 14:55:00 -
[705]
Originally by: Marlona Sky And why the **** do you have more info than the rest of us? This ship resurrection after down time affected all of us at the same time. CCP should share any new information with all of us at the same time.
Cause CCP did what we players have been clamoring for all the time, to involve the community representatives in important policy/gameplay decisions.
And not you're going all EMO and I WANT MY TOYS on them when they do?
Just sit back, relax, and wait for the details to work their way through CCP, the GMs, etc so they have a new policy when it comes to conflicts between DB, nodes and killmail servers.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.28 15:40:00 -
[706]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Cause CCP did what we players have been clamoring for all the time, to involve the community representatives in important policy/gameplay decisions.
And not you're going all EMO and I WANT MY TOYS on them when they do?
Just sit back, relax, and wait for the details to work their way through CCP, the GMs, etc so they have a new policy when it comes to conflicts between DB, nodes and killmail servers.
I would just rather CCP talk to us directly instead of the CSM if as we saw before, CSM member using inside information to make some bills of other players in betting then CCP decides to talk to us. But whatever. lol Anyone that is foolish enough to make bets against someone who has inside information that decides to hold it back till he gets rich off the players deserves to lose their ISK.
Most likely CCP is gonna wait till after this patch tomorrow to announced their findings, the patch will hopefully include a fix to keep the players PC and CCP server on the same page so when someone tries to jump out they either do and live or they don't and die and everyone sees exactly that and also makes sure dead ships stay dead. One can only hope...
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Kikki Di'je
Minmatar Lay Low
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:11:00 -
[707]
Originally by: Marlona Sky How quickly once elected some CSM delegates turn their back on the community.
Someones bitter...how about you take that deep breath and step away from the keyboard. You are far from anyone important to be demanding anything.
Stop crying already, makes Evil Thug's emo rage look like Barney in comparison.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.28 19:16:00 -
[708]
Originally by: Kikki Di'je
Originally by: Marlona Sky How quickly once elected some CSM delegates turn their back on the community.
Someones bitter...how about you take that deep breath and step away from the keyboard. You are far from anyone important to be demanding anything.
Stop crying already, makes Evil Thug's emo rage look like Barney in comparison.
I just want some answers. But please alt, keep saying every response I do is mad or emo or bitter or whatever makes you happy.
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PCaBoo
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.06.28 21:12:00 -
[709]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Kikki Di'je
Originally by: Marlona Sky How quickly once elected some CSM delegates turn their back on the community.
Someones bitter...how about you take that deep breath and step away from the keyboard. You are far from anyone important to be demanding anything.
Stop crying already, makes Evil Thug's emo rage look like Barney in comparison.
I just want some answers. But please alt, keep saying every response I do is mad or emo or bitter or whatever makes you happy.
I guess nobody cares. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Farham
Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.06.28 21:19:00 -
[710]
"I just want some answers. But please alt, keep saying every response I do is mad or emo or bitter or whatever makes you happy. Laughing"
Sit down Francis. Not hacking it in 0.0 since 2006
Farham is my name, and fail quoting is my game. |
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Hyzenthlay Yarrow
Minmatar Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:01:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Marlona Sky I just want some answers. But please alt, keep saying every response I do is mad or emo or bitter or whatever makes you happy.
Calm down, you're going to give yourself skin failure.
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Le Cardinal
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.29 06:47:00 -
[712]
Originally by: Hyzenthlay Yarrow
Originally by: Marlona Sky I just want some answers. But please alt, keep saying every response I do is mad or emo or bitter or whatever makes you happy.
Calm down, you're going to give yourself skin failure.
MH doing a PL in order to take focus away from the fact that there is obvious favourism going on. CCP knows they have a potential new EVEgate going on and try to avoid any discussion about it.
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PCaBoo
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.06.29 06:59:00 -
[713]
Originally by: Le Cardinal
CCP knows they have a potential new EVEgate going on and try to avoid any discussion about it.
Are we talking about Watergate fail here or the abortion of a patch that brought us gate.eveonline.com? ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 07:18:00 -
[714]
Originally by: Le Cardinal MH doing a PL in order to take focus away from the fact that there is obvious favourism going on.
Which favoritism?
Originally by: Le Cardinal CCP knows they have a potential new EVEgate going on and try to avoid any discussion about it.
New evegate? Do elaborate.
As for EVE itself, I just found this on another board:
Quote: just had a fleet guy lag out from a 4 man bomber run with 21 in local
Yes. Things have improved vastly after the server move, and we've gotten tons of information on exactly what this is, so we know if it's even being worked on.
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arjun
Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 08:09:00 -
[715]
i am as usual semi surprised how opinions about facts differ along political lines. one should think that there is only one opinion that fits reality best but i am mistaken obviously. which ships are the ghost ones here? the ones that jumped out and were destroyed after server agreed, that they jumped out? or the ones that showed up after next dt when server finally recognised that they had jumped out? how they left their pilots behind is anybodyies guess.
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 08:51:00 -
[716]
Originally by: arjun i am as usual semi surprised how opinions about facts differ along political lines. one should think that there is only one opinion that fits reality best but i am mistaken obviously. which ships are the ghost ones here?
the ones with missing( destroyed ) fittings; no matter how you look at it, they died and where resurrected latter, there is no doubt about it.
now, we can talk about them jumped out or being scrambled and ruberbanded back to sistem, we can talk about lag, nodes,hate,love,nc,sc, whatever, but the missing fittings shows those ships died at some point, then somehow where "phoenixed" after dt
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 09:26:00 -
[717]
Edited by: Lord TGR on 29/06/2010 09:29:58
Originally by: Tyby Edited by: Tyby on 29/06/2010 09:10:51
Originally by: arjun
which ships are the ghost ones here?
the ones with missing( destroyed ) fittings; no matter how you look at it, they died and where resurrected latter, there is no doubt about it.
now, we can talk about them jumped out or being scrambled and ruberbanded back to sistem, we can talk about lag, nodes,hate,love,nc,sc, whatever, but the missing fittings shows those ships died at some point, then somehow where "phoenixed" after dt
Um. Is this really more important than the cause of all this squabbling, i.e. the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load?
If the titans and caps were removed from game, would this help in regaining focus on the fact the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load?
What about the fact I just saw a report of 21 guys in local lagging out to a 4 man bombing run?
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:48:00 -
[718]
Originally by: Lord TGR Edited by: Lord TGR on 29/06/2010 09:29:58
Originally by: Tyby Edited by: Tyby on 29/06/2010 09:10:51
Originally by: arjun
which ships are the ghost ones here?
the ones with missing( destroyed ) fittings; no matter how you look at it, they died and where resurrected latter, there is no doubt about it.
now, we can talk about them jumped out or being scrambled and ruberbanded back to sistem, we can talk about lag, nodes,hate,love,nc,sc, whatever, but the missing fittings shows those ships died at some point, then somehow where "phoenixed" after dt
Um. Is this really more important than the cause of all this squabbling, i.e. the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load?
If the titans and caps were removed from game, would this help in regaining focus on the fact the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load?
What about the fact I just saw a report of 21 guys in local lagging out to a 4 man bombing run?
Um. i was just trying to answer that question i was quoting; never said this is "the most" important part of the game, ofc it's not, but let's be honest: lag it's here and there are no signs that the servers are getting any better; this it's the starting point in any "large fleet br"; also, the second starting point was "don't matter how bad our hamsters react, a dead ship it's a dead ship!". That was the situation from quite a long long time... until now. ofc, like any other player of eve online i would like to have some nice bug free servers, with manageablelag, but if this it's imposible right now, at least we can ask to be evenly treated by the servers/CCP
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Le Cardinal
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:55:00 -
[719]
Originally by: Lord TGR
Um. Is this really more important than the cause of all this squabbling, i.e. the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load?
If the titans and caps were removed from game, would this help in regaining focus on the fact the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load?
What about the fact I just saw a report of 21 guys in local lagging out to a 4 man bombing run?
I do agree that the performance of the servers are the most important problem here, but that doesnt take away the fact that those ships died in combat, and that CCP stated that they do not reimburse ships lost in such fights. If this is a change of policy or favourism i dont know, but either way they should reimburse all ship lost under similiar circumstances. H-W anyone?
People can squabble all they want about different situations and different problems. But it all comes down to this: The servers dont perform as they should and if NC gets their ships reimbursed because of it, then so should everyone else. End of story. Rest is just attempts to twist the truth to justify all this.
So ccp should make up their mind on this matter. Either reimburse ALL ships that have been lost due to servers, or none. Fair or not fair. It affects us all.
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Kushmir
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:09:00 -
[720]
Originally by: Le Cardinal
I do agree that the performance of the servers are the most important problem here, but that doesnt take away the fact that those ships died in combat, and that CCP stated that they do not reimburse ships lost in such fights. If this is a change of policy or favourism i dont know, but either way they should reimburse all ship lost under similiar circumstances. H-W anyone?
People can squabble all they want about different situations and different problems. But it all comes down to this: The servers dont perform as they should and if NC gets their ships reimbursed because of it, then so should everyone else. End of story. Rest is just attempts to twist the truth to justify all this.
So ccp should make up their mind on this matter. Either reimburse ALL ships that have been lost due to servers, or none. Fair or not fair. It affects us all.
CCP didn't reimburse any ships you moron.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 14:33:00 -
[721]
Originally by: Tyby Um. i was just trying to answer that question i was quoting; never said this is "the most" important part of the game, ofc it's not, but let's be honest: lag it's here and there are no signs that the servers are getting any better;
I can't help but feel that you're seeing this from your perspective only.
As stated previously, there are two possible scenarios which could've occurred here:
Scenario 1: The ships shouldn't have be able to cyno out in the first place. Scenario 2: The ships should've been able to cyno out.
In the first scenario, you lost out. Not on killing, since you did do that (as the missing modules prove, since they've got unique IDs). In the second scenario, the NC lost out, because they lost modules on their titans/SCs to the account of probably a few billion isk. Didn't they get a ship stolen too?
I don't know which should be the scenario to go by for this particular situation, but it doesn't really matter. The NC has (I believe) more than enough supercaps to replace those that were killed in that fight, so they would likely not have noticed much if they were removed. Nor would anyone else notice much, except by having the bragging rights of saying "we killed x titans and they stayed dead".
Originally by: Le Cardinal I do agree that the performance of the servers are the most important problem here, but that doesnt take away the fact that those ships died in combat, and that CCP stated that they do not reimburse ships lost in such fights.
I do find it funny that lots of people keep saying "The performance of the servers is the most important problem", and then go on and on about how the ships were demonstrably killed and "shouldn't be reimbursed". I'm pretty certain that if the NC had gone the popular route and selfdestructed those ships, almost all of you clamoring for their destruction (while saying the server performance problem is important) would quite simply fade away, rubbing your hands in glee over how you've "showed the NC what's what", until the next time there's a huge cap fight and someone else loses ships (and probably saves some in the same manner the NC did), instead of keeping pressure on CCP.
Originally by: Le Cardinal If this is a change of policy or favourism i dont know, but either way they should reimburse all ship lost under similiar circumstances. H-W anyone?
People can squabble all they want about different situations and different problems. But it all comes down to this: The servers dont perform as they should and if NC gets their ships reimbursed because of it, then so should everyone else. End of story. Rest is just attempts to twist the truth to justify all this.
So ccp should make up their mind on this matter. Either reimburse ALL ships that have been lost due to servers, or none. Fair or not fair. It affects us all.
They've been killed "in combat", yes. There are killmails to that effect, but the circumstances around those deaths have been disputed heavily. I'm not going to reiterate this too heavily this time around, apart from saying that if scenario 1 is the case, then the ships should never have been able to "materialize" in the destination system in the first place, and there's a huge problem. If scenario 2 is the case, then the source system didn't recognize (in time) that the ships had indeed cynoed out, and there's a huge problem.
As far as the reimbursement bit goes, I believe GMs have clearly said that they did not reimburse them, and I'm inclined to believe that bit simply because of where the ships ended up after DT (that, and the fact it happened to PL a few months back).
And yes, the servers aren't performing as they should, but the end result (as far as I see it, anyway) isn't one of "the NC getting their ships reimbursed", but "the servers don't knowing what the **** kind of state the ships are supposed to be in in that specific corner case, so we end up with the cluster**** we have now.
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Tyby on 29/06/2010 15:18:10
Quote: As far as the reimbursement bit goes, I believe GMs have clearly said that they did not reimburse them, and I'm inclined to believe that bit simply because of where the ships ended up after DT (that, and the fact it happened to PL a few months back).
maybe they didn't, but it's gm duty to watch over server and if something weird(yea "more weird" then usuall weird ) happens(missing items/sp, deleted contracts)...,it's theyr job to take care of those problems. like they did in PL case. doing nothing,not even for the time of the investigation, it's more like " going towards reimbursement" to allot of players. right now,i think most of the ppl are ****ed about the lack of the ccp updates; two weeks later, we don't know nothing. it's not like it's the first time when this "feature" it's happening, so they should be able to "investigate" this case in just few days. so then, why it's been 2 weeks with no updates? is this not important and it's adresed like just an usual "lost ship petition"? or there is something else going on? or it's just me being paranoid?
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Kushmir
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:29:00 -
[723]
Originally by: Tyby it's theyr job to take care of those problems. like they did in PL case.
CCP didn't do anything in the PL situation, what makes you think they would do something here?
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:35:00 -
[724]
Originally by: Kushmir
Originally by: Tyby it's theyr job to take care of those problems. like they did in PL case.
CCP didn't do anything in the PL situation, what makes you think they would do something here?
i'm pretty sure someone from pl posted somewhere about gms destroing those "resurrected" ships; if not, my bad
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Dogs Breath
Caldari Domination.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:36:00 -
[725]
Originally by: Kushmir
Originally by: Tyby it's theyr job to take care of those problems. like they did in PL case.
CCP didn't do anything in the PL situation, what makes you think they would do something here?
As they have done it before.
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Le Cardinal
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:39:00 -
[726]
Originally by: Kushmir
CCP didn't reimburse any ships you moron.
Kushmir Amarr Goonswarm
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David Goodwill
Caldari DarkStar 1 Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 18:31:00 -
[727]
Considering DICE are regarded to be one of the most racist corps in eve I don't really see what you are getting at.
Especially since you are replying to a well written and thought out stance with a meme.
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:43:00 -
[728]
It's becoming pretty clear CCP won't do ****. The ships jumped out. The first bug is that they respawned in 6NJ after logging off. That's when WN and CO killed them. The second bug is that they were found floating post DT the following day in their jump out system. We recollected them and gave them back to the char that had jumped it out.
CCP are looking increasingly likely to just follow their non-interference policy of whatever happens in large lag fights happens and they don't change that. Not the solution I had hoped for, someone with enough energy should certainly make a push to make them realise their folly of 0.0 large fights policy. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Mirrabela
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.29 21:16:00 -
[729]
To me it seems things are only getting worse with every patch/expansion. During the last month I've experienced something new. A few months ago we've crashed the node with about 30 ppl jumping into a 0.0 system but this time is unbelievable. About 4-5 in the past month, while scouting the systems in tenal/venal i had traffic control with only me in system. I don't know if the node is per constellation but, since i was scouting the systems, I'm pretty sure i was alone in the constellation. I dont't know if other have experienced it but this started to happened for me only in the past month. I wonder what new feature CCP introduces next :P
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Scheulagh Santorine
Gallente Best Path Inc. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:24:00 -
[730]
Originally by: Botia Macracantha I can't believe that CCP aren't putting effort into identifying the duff coding or whatever, but I can believe they might be reaching unpalatable (for them) conclusions over the fixes needed i.e. some or all recent feature additions would have to be removed. And since planet facilities have spread like a disease, I doubt that this will be sacrificed (for example). This, to me, explains CCP silence on this issue more clearly than the 20+ pages of rage and counter rage.
I am approaching my 7th year in the game, and sure, I have whinged a bit at changes over the years, but the extent that CCP seem unable to prioritise large scale PVP is now a serious concern for me. The recent promotional efforts are all geared towards showing a mode of gameplay that the game can no longer sustain. And yet, by not being seen to address the deficiencies in large scale combat, perhaps CCP are admitting this area of the game is unimportant to them from a revenue standpoint. Videos of rock munchers, level 4 hisec mission runners, and Jita 4-4 station market screen might be a more honest view of the current game. Someone's St. Bernard has taken a dump in the sandbox, and is doing a poor job of burying it.
Some reasonable points here. It is clear that CCP's vision of what the game should be, has exceeded their ability to execute on that vision.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.29 22:45:00 -
[731]
I'm just going to put this in here to point out just how awesome they've been at QA the past year:
http://bl3h-united.com/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=177667
For when this link is removed, it's a killmail link for bl3h-united for rancer. We're looking at tons of orcas, freighters, freighters etc etc etc etc (192 killed so far when I looked at it last time).
And why? ****ed up autopilot. Seriously, CCP, un-**** your head and ****ing do some QA. This is getting ****ing ridiculous.
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Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.30 04:12:00 -
[732]
Originally by: David Goodwill Considering DICE are regarded to be one of the most racist corps in eve I don't really see what you are getting at.
A goon calling some racist. Are you fkn kidding me or what?
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.30 07:12:00 -
[733]
Originally by: Metal Dude A goon calling some racist. Are you fkn kidding me or what?
Productive, and relevant.
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Soldur
Caldari Helljumpers Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:05:00 -
[734]
Originally by: David Goodwill Considering DICE are regarded to be one of the most racist corps in eve I don't really see what you are getting at.
I would say spend some time in Helljumpers and see if you still agree with this statement.
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pedros
Minmatar Gaia Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:47:00 -
[735]
Originally by: Hyzenthlay Yarrow
Originally by: Marlona Sky I just want some answers. But please alt, keep saying every response I do is mad or emo or bitter or whatever makes you happy.
Calm down, you're going to give yourself skin failure.
im sorry to say but this is Band of devloopers ah wait Best Friends of DevlopperS ? is this game now big cheat ? end transmission
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Le Cardinal
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.01 06:59:00 -
[736]
Originally by: David Goodwill Considering DICE are regarded to be one of the most racist corps in eve I don't really see what you are getting at.
Especially since you are replying to a well written and thought out stance with a meme.
If calling Goons ***gots is being racist then guilty of charge. Other than that i think you should take a real deep look at what corp/alliance you come from because you are in no position of accusing others for being racists. Glasshouse and all that jazz. And for the record, never heard anyone mention anything racist in corp.. everything else, but no racism.
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PCaBoo
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:50:00 -
[737]
Still nothing, eh? =[ ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.02 10:02:00 -
[738]
Nothing here but us chickens.
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Mecinia Lua
Minmatar Galactic Express Primary.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 10:08:00 -
[739]
There will never be a report back.
They do this on every major issue. They put up a vague semi smokescreen post. Promise to look into it and get back to us. I've never seen them once return and actually fill us in on any such topic.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Thorir
Gallente Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.02 14:57:00 -
[740]
CCP
Any news from this "investigation" ?
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GM Grimmi
Gallente Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.02 15:04:00 -
[741]
Here is an update regarding events which occurred during a large fleet engagement in 6NJ8-V which took place on June 16th.
Some ships were destroyed during the engagement, yet they also managed to jump to safety. This resulted in the ships reappearing in-game some time after they were destroyed. Our server-side logs represent both of the aforementioned circumstances and the final outcome was that the ships remained in game with the modules which were destroyed along with them despite kill reports being sent out showing their destruction. Modules moved to wrecks upon the ships' destruction were not duplicated, and the owners of the ships received insurance payouts for the losses. No game masters or CCP staff for that matter were involved with the revival of the ships in any way.
The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.
Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.02 15:13:00 -
[742]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles
It may have been discussed within the GM dept in much detail, but you don't appear to have consulted the players / CSM at all about it. You guys obviously have an ulterior motive in not intervening because it's a lot of effort to sort through the mess when we have these node splurges.
But as you're supposed to be providing Customer Support don't you think it would be a good idea to see what your customers would prefer? _
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Chaosmancer
Caldari Sons Of 0din Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.07.02 15:18:00 -
[743]
Brace for impact
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PCaBoo
Caldari No.Mercy
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Posted - 2010.07.02 15:29:00 -
[744]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Here is an update regarding events which occurred during a large fleet engagement in 6NJ8-V which took place on June 16th.
Some ships were destroyed during the engagement, yet they also managed to jump to safety. This resulted in the ships reappearing in-game some time after they were destroyed. Our server-side logs represent both of the aforementioned circumstances and the final outcome was that the ships remained in game with the modules which were destroyed along with them despite kill reports being sent out showing their destruction. Modules moved to wrecks upon the ships' destruction were not duplicated, and the owners of the ships received insurance payouts for the losses. No game masters or CCP staff for that matter were involved with the revival of the ships in any way.
The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.
Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.
It took over two weeks to come up with that? You guys need to hire someone from the NC/SC to spin for you. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything! |
Arrador
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.02 15:48:00 -
[745]
Threadnaught is go?
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 15:53:00 -
[746]
Quote: The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.
same like first time...?
Originally by: GM Grimmi
Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.
the only comment i can make here is that those ships where revived long,long,long,long time after the battle ended...
Also, how about insurance money? pilots that "got" theyr ships back are also keeping the insurance money?
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Josiphine Noir
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.02 16:00:00 -
[747]
Originally by: Tyby
Quote: The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.
same like first time...?
Originally by: GM Grimmi
Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.
the only comment i can make here is that those ships where revived long,long,long,long time after the battle ended...
Also, how about insurance money? pilots that "got" theyr ships back are also keeping the insurance money?
He pretty much stated that they are not going to intervene in any way with what happened afterwards, the logs did show something on both ends to the effect of both things happened in that the ships were both destroyed and jumped out safely. Though I think all you care about is if the ships get to stay alive or not.
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Rico Minali
Gallente Sons Of 0din Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.07.02 16:13:00 -
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So when my petition for loss during a blackscreen got refused and it cost me just a few billion, that was fine to say, NO, YOU ARE JUST A CUSTOMER AND NOTHING IS WRONG WITH EVE BECAUSE GMS SAY SO.
But when the loss is a massive and game altering hundreds of billions then its ok to make sure the guys who lost the ships can have them back? Is it purely because its easier to do nothing in both cases, as is what happened, my puny few billion and the massive hundreds of billions get stuck in the same response of "NO, we will do nothing."
Seriously guys, your customer service needs a real looking at. I know the EULA has the get out clause of what ccp say goes, but really? Have you guys really understood what 'fit for purpose' really means and that the EULA wouldnt stand a chance in court if someone really got upset?
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Josiphine Noir
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.02 16:54:00 -
[749]
Edited by: Josiphine Noir on 02/07/2010 16:54:25
Originally by: Rico Minali So when my petition for loss during a blackscreen got refused and it cost me just a few billion, that was fine to say, NO, YOU ARE JUST A CUSTOMER AND NOTHING IS WRONG WITH EVE BECAUSE GMS SAY SO.
But when the loss is a massive and game altering hundreds of billions then its ok to make sure the guys who lost the ships can have them back? Is it purely because its easier to do nothing in both cases, as is what happened, my puny few billion and the massive hundreds of billions get stuck in the same response of "NO, we will do nothing."
Seriously guys, your customer service needs a real looking at. I know the EULA has the get out clause of what ccp say goes, but really? Have you guys really understood what 'fit for purpose' really means and that the EULA wouldnt stand a chance in court if someone really got upset?
I think its time to NOT use GMs who play eve, and look at customer service from a slightly better angle. Anyone who actually plays eve can never be impartial. Ever.
Wow, you have your head so far up you a** i'm surprised you're able to breath. 1. They did not give the NC back thier ships get that through your thick skull 2. With the rate Titans and Supercaps have been dying lately 3 Titans and a few SCs is hardly what I would consider game altering losses 3. IF they did decide to take the ships away they would be villified either way so it's aloose loose situation for them 4. You know damned well you would be fighting to keep the ships if you were in the same situation, I know you wouldnt go self destruct them because it was the "fair thing to do" and if you say otherwise you are full of s***
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Morvyn
Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.02 17:17:00 -
[750]
Originally by: Rico Minali
Seriously guys, your customer service needs a real looking at. I know the EULA has the get out clause of what ccp say goes, but really? Have you guys really understood what 'fit for purpose' really means and that the EULA wouldnt stand a chance in court if someone really got upset?
lol, internet spaceships + court
Originally by: SkeDOOSH They are godless killing machines that put even grizzly bears to shame.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.02 18:13:00 -
[751]
I didn't think Vuk Lau would be able to pull it off.
Congrats NC.
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Straight Hustlin
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.02 18:37:00 -
[752]
Since you've stated that "We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way"
Does that mean you will be returning the titan to white noise which they found unpiloted floating in space?
Or are we going on a double standard here?
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Depili
Caldari Blood Works Inc. Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.02 19:12:00 -
[753]
Originally by: Straight Hustlin Since you've stated that "We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way"
Does that mean you will be returning the titan to white noise which they found unpiloted floating in space?
Or are we going on a double standard here?
Yeah, "no ships were returned by GM's" my ass
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.02 19:29:00 -
[754]
Originally by: Straight Hustlin Since you've stated that "We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way"
Does that mean you will be returning the titan to white noise which they found unpiloted floating in space?
Or are we going on a double standard here?
I don't think the NC pilot that is currently sitting in it would appreciate that very much.
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kra torii
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 20:59:00 -
[755]
Originally by: Marlona Sky I didn't think Vuk Lau would be able to pull it off.
Congrats NC.
Your makes me .
All this over a game.
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butimtoolittle
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.02 23:54:00 -
[756]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Here is an update regarding events which occurred during a large fleet engagement in 6NJ8-V which took place on June 16th.
Some ships were destroyed during the engagement, yet they also managed to jump to safety. This resulted in the ships reappearing in-game some time after they were destroyed. Our server-side logs represent both of the aforementioned circumstances and the final outcome was that the ships remained in game with the modules which were destroyed along with them despite kill reports being sent out showing their destruction. Modules moved to wrecks upon the ships' destruction were not duplicated, and the owners of the ships received insurance payouts for the losses. No game masters or CCP staff for that matter were involved with the revival of the ships in any way.
The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.
Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.
NOT TRUE.
about 18months or more ago there was a large fleet fight in m-0. it was during one of bobs MAX campaigns. at the time i was in KIA, the lag was terrible and lots of people logged off. KIAeddz petitioned it and said that the lag was unacceptable. ALL KIA ships were reimbursed. odd that ccp denys it. there is your precedent.
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Peanut Factory BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 01:17:00 -
[757]
If this is CCP's stance, that they will remain true to their existing policies, then:
1. Titan found should be returned to WN 2. NC supercaps survive, remain in hands of whoever found them, sans 'destroyed' modules 3. Salvaged or scooped modules from said ships remain in the hand of whoever grabbed them. 4. Any insurance payout is removed for ships that 'survived' (possible exception for the original pilot of the now-WN Titan); ships reimbursed in any way always result in removal of the insurance payout.
then close the book and wait for the next clusterf***. Crappy end? Probably, but the only one that is possible to happen.
My guess is that none of this will happen, and I would now like to submit my application to be an NC supercap pilot just before their next large engagement. Getting to keep the ship AND insurance is just too good of an incentive to give up. Who wants to hire me? :D I like violet more then pink.
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darius mclever
Gallente Merchants of Lore
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Posted - 2010.07.03 01:32:00 -
[758]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Straight Hustlin Since you've stated that "We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way"
Does that mean you will be returning the titan to white noise which they found unpiloted floating in space?
Or are we going on a double standard here?
I don't think the NC pilot that is currently sitting in it would appreciate that very much.
Who cares? CCP Grimmi said ... that no GM should have intervened with the outcome of the fight and what happened to the ship afterwards. Congratulations to WN for a new titan?
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.03 03:01:00 -
[759]
I n s i d e . J o b . D e t e c t e d
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Josiphine Noir
Amarr Pelican. Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.03 04:23:00 -
[760]
Edited by: Josiphine Noir on 03/07/2010 04:27:11
Originally by: butimtoolittle
Originally by: GM Grimmi Here is an update regarding events which occurred during a large fleet engagement in 6NJ8-V which took place on June 16th.
Some ships were destroyed during the engagement, yet they also managed to jump to safety. This resulted in the ships reappearing in-game some time after they were destroyed. Our server-side logs represent both of the aforementioned circumstances and the final outcome was that the ships remained in game with the modules which were destroyed along with them despite kill reports being sent out showing their destruction. Modules moved to wrecks upon the ships' destruction were not duplicated, and the owners of the ships received insurance payouts for the losses. No game masters or CCP staff for that matter were involved with the revival of the ships in any way.
The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.
Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.
NOT TRUE.
about 18months or more ago there was a large fleet fight in m-0. it was during one of bobs MAX campaigns. at the time i was in KIA, the lag was terrible and lots of people logged off. KIAeddz petitioned it and said that the lag was unacceptable. ALL KIA ships were reimbursed. odd that ccp denys it. there is your precedent.
The only reason those ships were given back was because CCP was testing the new stackless IO coding, none of the players knew about it and the consequences of the testing couldnt have been forseen. I believe it was after this big event that CCP sated that they would no longer be re-embursing capital ship losses due to large fleet lag
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.03 04:58:00 -
[761]
Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Straight Hustlin Since you've stated that "We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way"
Does that mean you will be returning the titan to white noise which they found unpiloted floating in space?
Or are we going on a double standard here?
I don't think the NC pilot that is currently sitting in it would appreciate that very much.
Who cares? CCP Grimmi said ... that no GM should have intervened with the outcome of the fight and what happened to the ship afterwards. Congratulations to WN for a new titan?
NC was able to immediatly be on hand ready to recover all respawned super carrier with the exception of the titan that White Noise got to first. Then CCP took away said titan away from White Noise and gave it to NC.
Oh well, such is the way of things in the sand box. v0v
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.03 07:44:00 -
[762]
Originally by: butimtoolittle NOT TRUE.
about 18months or more ago there was a large fleet fight in m-0. it was during one of bobs MAX campaigns. at the time i was in KIA, the lag was terrible and lots of people logged off. KIAeddz petitioned it and said that the lag was unacceptable. ALL KIA ships were reimbursed. odd that ccp denys it. there is your precedent.
It's only since Dominion when the lag/blackscreens/sov bugs got really crazy agin that they've had this policy. _
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Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 08:31:00 -
[763]
Originally by: Blazde
It's only since Dominion when the lag/blackscreens/sov bugs got really crazy agin that they've had this policy.
FALSE: one month or so after the m-o fight we had the e-7 fight: we had at least 3 node crashes in that fight, but yet ccp refused to reimburce any ship; the only explanation was: becose we say so
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Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.03 10:00:00 -
[764]
They've always had a very tough reimbursement policy, and sadly it was never applied fairly so it depended how forcefully and how well you argued you case. However it's only since Dominion they've had this over-the-top zero-intervention policy where you have no chance of getting a ship back and they won't:
- Move stuck people even hours after a fight - Interfere with station/sov ownership when it bugs (unless after a week or so it's still bugged and they have to) - Reimburse ships that died hours after logging off (this used to be one of the most guaranteed scenarios for getting a reimbursement) _
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.03 20:04:00 -
[765]
There was a titan that White Noise found and boarded before NC was able to. Found in the very same fashion as NC found and boarded the other super capitals that were found after down time. My question is:
If CCP are going to let the outcome of that lagbugfest stand as it is, then why did CCP take away that titan from White Noise and give it to NC?
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kra torii
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 20:32:00 -
[766]
Things are getting kinda bitter in here.
*popcorn*
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.03 20:38:00 -
[767]
Originally by: kra torii If they are not in my coalition, I am going to say they are bitter no matter what they say, even if what they are saying is a legitimet question.
*mountain oysters*
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kra torii
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 20:52:00 -
[768]
Edited by: kra torii on 03/07/2010 20:53:24
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: kra torii If they are not in my coalition, I am going to say they are bitter no matter what they say, even if what they are saying is a legitimet question.
*mountain oysters*
That's not what I said. You must be going blind my good sir.
What I said was:
Originally by: kra torii Things are getting kinda bitter in here.
*popcorn*
Want some glasses, my dear?
Edit: Ok, I see where you're mistaken. I wasn't referring to you specifically. Do you think you're bitter?
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Cone Filler
Caldari Highwaymen
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Posted - 2010.07.03 21:31:00 -
[769]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Here is an update regarding events which occurred during a large fleet engagement in 6NJ8-V which took place on June 16th.
Some ships were destroyed during the engagement, yet they also managed to jump to safety. This resulted in the ships reappearing in-game some time after they were destroyed. Our server-side logs represent both of the aforementioned circumstances and the final outcome was that the ships remained in game with the modules which were destroyed along with them despite kill reports being sent out showing their destruction. Modules moved to wrecks upon the ships' destruction were not duplicated, and the owners of the ships received insurance payouts for the losses. No game masters or CCP staff for that matter were involved with the revival of the ships in any way.
The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.
Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.
This is a ****ing outrage CCP you have a record of destroying ghost ships no matter how and where they they spawned, and now you wont do ****, there is no way that you can justify this other than you spawn every ghost ship that you have destroyed
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:24:00 -
[770]
Originally by: Cone Filler
Originally by: GM Grimmi Here is an update regarding events which occurred during a large fleet engagement in 6NJ8-V which took place on June 16th.
Some ships were destroyed during the engagement, yet they also managed to jump to safety. This resulted in the ships reappearing in-game some time after they were destroyed. Our server-side logs represent both of the aforementioned circumstances and the final outcome was that the ships remained in game with the modules which were destroyed along with them despite kill reports being sent out showing their destruction. Modules moved to wrecks upon the ships' destruction were not duplicated, and the owners of the ships received insurance payouts for the losses. No game masters or CCP staff for that matter were involved with the revival of the ships in any way.
The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.
Regarding fleet-battle reimbursement and GM intervention in them in general, we have been down that road before and it's not the way to go. This has been discussed in much detail and the consensus is that it is best to simply stay well clear of messing with fleet-battles; this fleet engagement is no exception and we will remain consistent in this stance. We will not be passing judgment on what should have happened during this battle nor alter the outcome in any way.
This is a ****ing outrage CCP you have a record of destroying ghost ships no matter how and where they they spawned, and now you wont do ****, there is no way that you can justify this other than you spawn every ghost ship that you have destroyed
If no involvement is the policy, than why did WN's titan get taken away ? --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:39:00 -
[771]
Originally by: Cone Filler
This is a ****ing outrage CCP you have a record of destroying ghost ships no matter how and where they they spawned, and now you wont do ****, there is no way that you can justify this other than you spawn every ghost ship that you have destroyed
He is quite clearly saying that fleet fights fall under special circumstances and they are sticking to their non-interference policy. It seems our rage was not big enough for them to take this seriously. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
Dograzor
Gallente The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:55:00 -
[772]
*pulls out popcorn*
CCP, this thread can make or break your reputation towards the players.
Handle with care... -
"We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value" |
Rinala
Gallente The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.07.04 08:27:00 -
[773]
Edited by: Rinala on 04/07/2010 08:31:49 This sums it up pretty good I thought.
Originally by: Ravenlokk
Originally by: Shade Millith
It's probably closer to "Ships jumped out, loaded safe system, then logged out, and got magically teleported back to a hostile system. If we were going to interfere with the outcome of the battle, we'd have to interfere with two problems, the ships getting teleported back to combat, and the ships respawning.
Basicly remove them, then give them back"
We can't expect them to deal with one of the problems, and not the other now can we? Either they don't do anything, and the respawned titans are still in game, or they deal with both issues, and the titans that jumped to safety are returned.
Take your pick vOv
Its easier to justify this if its in your favor, to the average player that has nothing to do with either side however, this looks extremely shady. If the shoe was on the other foot, I'm certain you would be singing a different toon. My opinion would still remain the same.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 09:17:00 -
[774]
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Cone Filler
This is a ****ing outrage CCP you have a record of destroying ghost ships no matter how and where they they spawned, and now you wont do ****, there is no way that you can justify this other than you spawn every ghost ship that you have destroyed
He is quite clearly saying that fleet fights fall under special circumstances and they are sticking to their non-interference policy. It seems our rage was not big enough for them to take this seriously.
Than why did they take WN's titan ? --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
Chib
Minmatar MASS
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:27:00 -
[775]
sup folks, long time no see o/
did a quick scan of the thread and decided to share my opinion for what its worth.
first of all, if one thing has ever been constant in eve its when you get 1000+ people together in the same system shoosting each other its gonna break it. it always has and no matter how much hardware ccp add to their servers it seems it always will....
so please if your part of an event that involves this many people be prepared for alot of sitting about staring at black screens with the eventuality that you will probably die without ever loading.....
and im not really sure what happened with the reimbursements but from what i think i can tell is that when the fight ended people who had died still had their ships so ccp removed all the ships killmails were generated for !
i cant see a problem with this, you cant complain with them doing this the ship had technically been removed from the game and was essentially duplicated........when people used the clone bug back in 03 on harvies they got removed.....noone whined then...just because u didnt deliberatly clone you ship this time doesnt mean your have a right to moan about its removal
anyhow.....i might be wrong but this is how i see it
cya back in game soon folks ---------------------------------------------
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Drak Min
Minmatar unf0rgiving DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:32:00 -
[776]
So, all the people complaining this or that. You want the spawn ships destroyed as it was due to a flaw in the game? Ok fair enough, then lets enforce the EULA on the individuals who set the trap to illicit the desired result of lagging out the node. Yes, NC jumped a bunch of ships in, was it done with the intention of nod lag? Probably not, its more their MO to bring excessive firepower. Did WN/friends then load/login/wtfever to topple the infrastructure with intention of the end result of node lag? Probably as it's a known game design flaw. And to my understanding intentionally abusing a known flaw within a game design is typically labeled as exploiting. So, lets destroy the ships and then account ban all of the individuals who laid the trap that resulted in the exploit taking place. Problem solved, everyone is happy as CCP did what is right. Or better yet, CCP releases the logs showing the ships that jumped out were in fact clear of the system and then reappeared in 6NJ at which time they were eventually killed and move on. CCP is giving both sides a way out w/o putting any names to shame in the process. Take it as a bone they're throwing you. Otherwise, scream for the ships to be destroyed and make sure you scream for the exploiters to be banned as well.
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pedros
Minmatar Gaia Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.07.04 12:56:00 -
[777]
Originally by: Drak Min So, all the people complaining this or that. You want the spawn ships destroyed as it was due to a flaw in the game? Ok fair enough, then lets enforce the EULA on the individuals who set the trap to illicit the desired result of lagging out the node. Yes, NC jumped a bunch of ships in, was it done with the intention of nod lag? Probably not, its more their MO to bring excessive firepower. Did WN/friends then load/login/wtfever to topple the infrastructure with intention of the end result of node lag? Probably as it's a known game design flaw. And to my understanding intentionally abusing a known flaw within a game design is typically labeled as exploiting. So, lets destroy the ships and then account ban all of the individuals who laid the trap that resulted in the exploit taking place. Problem solved, everyone is happy as CCP did what is right. Or better yet, CCP releases the logs showing the ships that jumped out were in fact clear of the system and then reappeared in 6NJ at which time they were eventually killed and move on. CCP is giving both sides a way out w/o putting any names to shame in the process. Take it as a bone they're throwing you. Otherwise, scream for the ships to be destroyed and make sure you scream for the exploiters to be banned as well.
err wait , we lagged NC out ? are u crazy ? south forces in 6nj max 250 or so , nc jumped about 500 SO DONT TALK WE LAGGED UR OUT; U JUST TRY LIKE EVY TIME LAGGUS OUT BUT DID NTO HAPPEND so GO HELL
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Wrik Hoover
Minmatar Hoover Inc. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.07.04 13:46:00 -
[778]
Quote: Vuk: WN or Co2 didnt found any titan, so those titans couldnt be taken away. I was trolling there.
Quote:
Quote: wait did we actually recover any of the titans?;)
Vuk:Yes 3 of them.
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pedros
Minmatar Gaia Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.07.04 14:26:00 -
[779]
Originally by: Wrik Hoover
Quote: Vuk: WN or Co2 didnt found any titan, so those titans couldnt be taken away. I was trolling there.
Quote:
Quote: wait did we actually recover any of the titans?;)
Vuk:Yes 3 of them.
false talking, trolling besides vuk, titan "avatar" was taken by Wn and removed by ccp
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.04 17:22:00 -
[780]
Originally by: Drak Min So, all the people complaining this or that. You want the spawn ships destroyed as it was due to a flaw in the game? Ok fair enough, then lets enforce the EULA on the individuals who set the trap to illicit the desired result of lagging out the node. Yes, NC jumped a bunch of ships in, was it done with the intention of nod lag? Probably not, its more their MO to bring excessive firepower. Did WN/friends then load/login/wtfever to topple the infrastructure with intention of the end result of node lag? Probably as it's a known game design flaw. And to my understanding intentionally abusing a known flaw within a game design is typically labeled as exploiting. So, lets destroy the ships and then account ban all of the individuals who laid the trap that resulted in the exploit taking place. Problem solved, everyone is happy as CCP did what is right. Or better yet, CCP releases the logs showing the ships that jumped out were in fact clear of the system and then reappeared in 6NJ at which time they were eventually killed and move on. CCP is giving both sides a way out w/o putting any names to shame in the process. Take it as a bone they're throwing you. Otherwise, scream for the ships to be destroyed and make sure you scream for the exploiters to be banned as well.
So you basically said when NC goes into a system it is to bring superior firepower but when SC goes into a system it is to cause lag?
Would it not be a more fair assumption that everyone tries to bring everything they can and if lag happens they hope the enemy gets it and not themselves?
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Drak Min
Minmatar unf0rgiving DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:04:00 -
[781]
Edited by: Drak Min on 04/07/2010 20:06:30
Originally by: Marlona Sky So you basically said when NC goes into a system it is to bring superior firepower but when SC goes into a system it is to cause lag?
Would it not be a more fair assumption that everyone tries to bring everything they can and if lag happens they hope the enemy gets it and not themselves?
No, what I'm saying is, when someone brags of "setting a trap" and the trap is based on the premise Group A will most likely do Task Blob so when this is initiated Group B does Task Login with the intention of causing Effect Lag, it's intentionally abusing a game design failure for your own benefit which in most mmos i've played typically is referred to as exploiting and results in some sort of punishment. I would go back through and sift through all the ramblings and remarks of this thread to show who was doing the bragging, but seriously, I don't care enough one way or another.
The point of my previous point stands, If you wish CCP to remove the ships, then you should be asking for the logs to be presented actually showing the ships were killed before they jumped to their target systems AND asking for perm bans on the individuals who decided to use a known system failure to lag the system out, CCP would have the means of figuring that out pretty simply as how many of WN/Co2/etc (the individuals bragging about their trap) were in system, how many logged into system, how many jumped into system etc. Extra work all around which CCP should be doing anyways, their stance on noninvolvement in fleet fights is absolutely spedtastic thinking as it promotes more and more abuse of failing game mechanics and less and less strategy.
And before anyone says it: Everyone should be held to the same standard. CCP should have done this in previous fights that had similiar endings(large force spam logins/etc to force a node failure).
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:26:00 -
[782]
Originally by: Drak Min No, what I'm saying is, when someone brags of "setting a trap" and the trap is based on the premise Group A will most likely do Task Blob so when this is initiated Group B does Task Login with the intention of causing Effect Lag, it's intentionally abusing a game design failure for your own benefit which in most mmos i've played typically is referred to as exploiting and results in some sort of punishment. I would go back through and sift through all the ramblings and remarks of this thread to show who was doing the bragging, but seriously, I don't care enough one way or another.
The point of my previous point stands, If you wish CCP to remove the ships, then you should be asking for the logs to be presented actually showing the ships were killed before they jumped to their target systems AND asking for perm bans on the individuals who decided to use a known system failure to lag the system out, CCP would have the means of figuring that out pretty simply as how many of WN/Co2/etc (the individuals bragging about their trap) were in system, how many logged into system, how many jumped into system etc. Extra work all around which CCP should be doing anyways, their stance on noninvolvement in fleet fights is absolutely spedtastic thinking as it promotes more and more abuse of failing game mechanics and less and less strategy.
And before anyone says it: Everyone should be held to the same standard. CCP should have done this in previous fights that had similiar endings(large force spam logins/etc to force a node failure).
So you are saying that WN/Co2/etc were logged off not to hide their numbers but so when they logged in it would cause lag?...
So if you log in, and it causes lag you should be banned ehh?...
Either you are an idiot or trolling. Probably both. I'm sure no matter what the outcome of your theory you will pronounce to the world that you were trolling and self proclaim yourself a winner in some personal competition with yourself. Which is just sad.
Please take your wild theories elsewhere. This is COAD, where nothing but truth and solid facts are told in all threads.
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Caldrion Dosto
Gallente Svea Rike Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.05 05:51:00 -
[783]
This is very easy tbh i can¦t imagine how CCP GM¦s could make a wrong turn.
If you want the result of the fight to stand and you didn¦t "giveback" or respawn any capitalships then remove the duplicated ships from the game.
If logs shows them as dead KILL THEM.
And seriously this would be best in the long run for everyone, since this is bound to happen again sooner or later and i would think it would make the game suck if you respawn all capitalship loses in fights, then whats the point?
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FlameGlow
Caldari Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.05 06:59:00 -
[784]
Originally by: Caldrion Dosto This is very easy tbh i can¦t imagine how CCP GM¦s could make a wrong turn.
If you want the result of the fight to stand and you didn¦t "giveback" or respawn any capitalships then remove the duplicated ships from the game.
If logs shows them as dead KILL THEM.
And seriously this would be best in the long run for everyone, since this is bound to happen again sooner or later and i would think it would make the game suck if you respawn all capitalship loses in fights, then whats the point?
Originally by: GM Grimmi Some ships were destroyed during the engagement, yet they also managed to jump to safety. ... Our server-side logs represent both of the aforementioned circumstances
apparently the logs show both that they jumped out and that they died, yup, the server works fine |
Ed Rush
Gallente Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.05 07:14:00 -
[785]
I'd say, go book a ticket to the next eve fanfest and deliver your feedback in physical form. in a way which has an impact in it.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.05 07:20:00 -
[786]
Or have all the major factions wardec eachother and go back and forth between the major trade hubs and agent systems and do 100v100 or 200v200 fights, just to bring the nice features of lag/gridload/session change to the general public so they know what to demand fixed.
Nah, what am I thinking? Let's go back to the regular scheduled *****ing about whose ships are still alive, or got killed, or who should be banned for causing lag, because that's so much more productive.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.05 07:33:00 -
[787]
Originally by: Lord TGR Or have all the major factions wardec eachother and go back and forth between the major trade hubs and agent systems and do 100v100 or 200v200 fights, just to bring the nice features of lag/gridload/session change to the general public so they know what to demand fixed.
xing up to bring lag to all major mission hubs!
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David Goodwill
Caldari DarkStar 1 Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.05 07:55:00 -
[788]
Originally by: Caldrion Dosto This is very easy tbh i can¦t imagine how CCP GM¦s could make a wrong turn.
If you want the result of the fight to stand and you didn¦t "giveback" or respawn any capitalships then remove the duplicated ships from the game.
If logs shows them as dead KILL THEM.
And seriously this would be best in the long run for everyone, since this is bound to happen again sooner or later and i would think it would make the game suck if you respawn all capitalship loses in fights, then whats the point?
Tbh, I think the problem is that the logs show them as both alive in one system and dead in another. They are not so much ghost ships, as it seems the server code is written so that a ship exists in one system before it is deleted in another. However if a node dies or lags out before the command to delete the ships reaches them and they get destroyed, then they still exist in the system they jump to as that is how the code was written, and was presumably how the pilots were able to jump into a system, warp to a pos, take a screenshot and log off, while in the other system the code was attempting to delete the ships out of the system yet due to node death wasn't able to get there in time before they were destroyed. I expect that a little later on, after the node was working again, the code finally made it back to the pilots that the ship with the same ID as theirs was destroyed and hence removed. However once downtime hit and the server does its daily maintenance of DB cleanup and other SQL fluff, it found the ships alive in the system they were jumped to and put them back in the system. (This is however only a guess as how their code is written, as I haven't actually seen it. Only one of their SQL devs could tell you for sure, and they won't)
I would just let CCP do their job in this case. Any post by SC or NC is going to be bias in some way anyway, there are hardly any neutral observers, everyone has an agenda, so these posts should be discounted in any informed decision. Whatever they do, CCP is going to **** off one half of the debate. There will be no winners here. As far as I can see it both sides have a valid claim that the ships should be destroyed / alive.
Regardless i'm loving the tears in this thread. Keep em going! :twisted:
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Ed Rush
Gallente Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.05 08:51:00 -
[789]
Edited by: Ed Rush on 05/07/2010 08:55:41 why not use SISI as "battlegrounds" ? It'd be laggy too.. and the server might crash and probably many players would die due to blackscreen too.... but hey thats normal.
Like have the major power lego blocks sit on the same poker table and wage on moons and stuff. And then the SISI battle winner gets the stuff handed over on TQ peacefully.
Imagine how CCP's economists would cry tears for isk not being drained from ingame economy.
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Lord TGR
Minmatar Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.05 13:38:00 -
[790]
I just thought of the subname for dominion/tyrannis: The Wulfpax Age.
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Imutep
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.05 13:42:00 -
[791]
short memories ftw?
The sequence of events went like this (after everything + sink jumped in)
NC titans warped in and were bubbled, SC fleet start engaging. As more SC caps dropped in titans in trouble were ordered to jump out as soon as the were able to ie no tackle.
Titan jumped out to beacon system. Titan was SEEN in jump out system. Pilots view was a lagged 6nj and ghost titan but was NO LONGER being engaged as was also showing as jumped out to hostiles who has DISENGAGED. Pilot logs off as ship is showing in jump out system. Pilot tries to log back and is reported on TS as reappearing in 6NJ again. Hostiles tackle and resume takedown.
IMHO neither side is wrong or right, the titan losses were not legit but then the way they reappeared isn't either, its just crappy game mechanics and the only winner is CCP's pockets as we whine and whine about crappy this and that but still pay our money every month.
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Stygian Knight
Minmatar Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:06:00 -
[792]
Why does this thread still exists?
Haven't you learn anything yet ?
Move on people, move on...
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Damned Devil
Minmatar Quasar Buccaneers
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:13:00 -
[793]
Originally by: Imutep short memories ftw?
The sequence of events went like this (after everything + sink jumped in)
NC titans warped in and were bubbled, Russian fleet start engaging. As more Russian caps dropped in titans in trouble were ordered to jump out as soon as the were able to ie no tackle.
Titan jumped out to beacon system. Titan was SEEN in jump out system. Pilots view was a lagged 6nj and ghost titan but was NO LONGER being engaged as was also showing as jumped out to hostiles who has DISENGAGED. Pilot logs off as ship is showing in jump out system. Pilot tries to log back and is reported on TS as reappearing in 6NJ again. Hostiles tackle and resume takedown.
IMHO neither side is wrong or right, the titan losses were not legit but then the way they reappeared isn't either, its just crappy game mechanics and the only winner is CCP's pockets as we whine and whine about crappy this and that but still pay our money every month.
Fixed for you.
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. Blade.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 17:34:00 -
[794]
Originally by: Imutep short memories ftw?
The sequence of events went like this (after everything + sink jumped in)
NC titans warped in and were bubbled, SC fleet start engaging. As more SC caps dropped in titans in trouble were ordered to jump out as soon as the were able to ie no tackle.
Titan jumped out to beacon system. Titan was SEEN in jump out system. Pilots view was a lagged 6nj and ghost titan but was NO LONGER being engaged as was also showing as jumped out to hostiles who has DISENGAGED. Pilot logs off as ship is showing in jump out system. Pilot tries to log back and is reported on TS as reappearing in 6NJ again. Hostiles tackle and resume takedown.
IMHO neither side is wrong or right, the titan losses were not legit but then the way they reappeared isn't either, its just crappy game mechanics and the only winner is CCP's pockets as we whine and whine about crappy this and that but still pay our money every month.
Just curious, but are there screenshots of the titans jumped out in safe systems, and if so do the backgrounds match the correct system?
I ask because I remember quite a while back there were problems with jump-desyncs, and the background nebula was the best indication of what system you were actually in, regardless what the system information said at the top left of the screen.
(I am genuinely interested, not trying to troll. Just want to know if this is the return of an old bug - because if it is it may be easier to squish). Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon |
hamon konakh
Gallente Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.05 18:12:00 -
[795]
A lot of idiots in this tread who werent even in the fight.
NC got their supers back, due to game mechanics being f*ucked.
SC haters still gonna hate, why are you ******s even posting in this thread? It's not like a Dev spawing T2 BPO's (t20).
Btw, the delicious tears from the SC makes me feel pretty good. Now HTFU and close this stupid thread.
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zljuka
Caldari Dark Voodoo Cult Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:25:00 -
[796]
I just wonder if eve has already reached its peak of population and servers are out of resources. Eve is a sandbox, and the more people play eve, sandbox becomes not only bigger but more complex. Taken basically when you have two elements, you can make one link between them. If you have three elements you can link them in three ways, four elements make already six links. So every new element, for example every new active player, not simply adds but multiplies the load on server. And at some moment sandbox becomes so complex that no server is able to deal with it. Practically a 100x100 battle loads server not ten times as 10x10 fight does, but fifty or even hundred times as much. So the question is if eve has already reached it's top of population that can't be increased adding new or improving existent servers? Or is it that CCP is so busy with dust and new expansions that they don't pay attention to current issues? |
Tyby
Gallente KANTAI HIKAGE White Noise.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 10:42:00 -
[797]
Edited by: Tyby on 06/07/2010 10:44:08 Edited by: Tyby on 06/07/2010 10:43:39
Originally by: hamon konakh
NC got their supers back, due to game mechanics being f*ucked.
like everyone else who lost a supercap due to f**cked game mechanics, i may ad. right?
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Crimsons Storm
Amarr Born-2-Kill Waterboard
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Posted - 2010.07.06 11:10:00 -
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CCP being greedy and marketing Eve to the masses without an obvious plan to handle in increase in the general population and hiding behind new "look at me" features and free bait ships to distract everyone from the reality that in the past 6 years this game has gorne from good... to great... to a festering pile of c_r_@_p.
whinge much you say...obviously not enough i say.
How about investing some time into fixing the game instead of adding moar crap to the lag pile...
Back on topic.
Standard .... << is all i have to say RE cap reimbursements AND this thread in general
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.06 13:12:00 -
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The Titans were bubbled and would never have been able to jump out. They died and were reimbursed by CCP with one even being taken from a hostile pilot that boarded it after DT.....thought they don't intervene...
Funny how this was the last big fleet fight anyone has had. I guess putting your Caps on the line against the NC just means you take all the risk since, if you win, NC just gets all their ships back anyways...
CCP you might want to pull your head out of the sand on this one since it's a pivotal point in the games history. Seems that aside from the usual PL supercap ganks, no one cares to light a cyno for a large fleet fight anymore...
"Dragon Fleet!!........dock up, it's not worth it.."...
Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot
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Menellaix
Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi The underlying issue has been examined and improvements implemented that should prevent similar situations in the future.
Define improvements? I've seen nothing in the Sisi patch logs. Maybe...
a) When jump command is issued, the location system of the object is updated in database before the destination system is signalled? - or -
b) Client disconnect cancels all pending operations, including jump? - or -
c) Something else?
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Nemtar Nataal
Caldari Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2010.07.06 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: David Goodwill
Originally by: Caldrion Dosto This is very easy tbh i can¦t imagine how CCP GM¦s could make a wrong turn.
If you want the result of the fight to stand and you didn¦t "giveback" or respawn any capitalships then remove the duplicated ships from the game.
If logs shows them as dead KILL THEM.
And seriously this would be best in the long run for everyone, since this is bound to happen again sooner or later and i would think it would make the game suck if you respawn all capitalship loses in fights, then whats the point?
Tbh, I think the problem is that the logs show them as both alive in one system and dead in another. They are not so much ghost ships, as it seems the server code is written so that a ship exists in one system before it is deleted in another. However if a node dies or lags out before the command to delete the ships reaches them and they get destroyed, then they still exist in the system they jump to as that is how the code was written, and was presumably how the pilots were able to jump into a system, warp to a pos, take a screenshot and log off, while in the other system the code was attempting to delete the ships out of the system yet due to node death wasn't able to get there in time before they were destroyed. I expect that a little later on, after the node was working again, the code finally made it back to the pilots that the ship with the same ID as theirs was destroyed and hence removed. However once downtime hit and the server does its daily maintenance of DB cleanup and other SQL fluff, it found the ships alive in the system they were jumped to and put them back in the system. (This is however only a guess as how their code is written, as I haven't actually seen it. Only one of their SQL devs could tell you for sure, and they won't)
I would just let CCP do their job in this case. Any post by SC or NC is going to be bias in some way anyway, there are hardly any neutral observers, everyone has an agenda, so these posts should be discounted in any informed decision. Whatever they do, CCP is going to **** off one half of the debate. There will be no winners here. As far as I can see it both sides have a valid claim that the ships should be destroyed / alive.
Regardless i'm loving the tears in this thread. Keep em going! :twisted:
None of my usual GS hate comments here.
You have really got the problem nailed here, i do work in software engineering but i have never worked with a system remotely as complex as this one - But any ship only have one instance in this game then basically it can only be in one place at any one given point in time. So some where some one made an error. Honestly i would have been bether if the ships had been removed in both systems rathen then them bieng precent in both systems.
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HarrietMiers
Minmatar I'M ON A BOAT
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Posted - 2010.07.07 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Snot Shot "Dragon Fleet!!........dock up, it's not worth it.."...
Post with your main or gtfo.
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Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.10 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
So when are you going to give us a ****ing update on this? Or is this another T20 **** that CCP will just sweep under the rug? Because it sure smells like it from this end ffs. What will it take to get answers that you said will be forthcoming?
The truth will set you free
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Virene Mene
Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.07.10 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
So when are you going to give us a ****ing update on this? Or is this another T20 **** that CCP will just sweep under the rug? Because it sure smells like it from this end ffs. What will it take to get answers that you said will be forthcoming?
do you seriously expect a reply?
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Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.10 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Virene Mene do you seriously expect a reply?
Originally by: GM Grimmi further information will be forthcoming when available.
The truth will set you free
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Captain Thunk
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.10 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
So when are you going to give us a ****ing update on this? Or is this another T20 **** that CCP will just sweep under the rug? Because it sure smells like it from this end ffs. What will it take to get answers that you said will be forthcoming?
Are you saying the T20 incident was swept under the rug and those that were aware of what was going on and complicit were not punished?
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SavageBastard
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.10 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: GM Grimmi During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation û the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
So when are you going to give us a ****ing update on this? Or is this another T20 **** that CCP will just sweep under the rug? Because it sure smells like it from this end ffs. What will it take to get answers that you said will be forthcoming?
Aren't you in the wrong alliance to be all mad about T20?
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