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          PHoneix NOir 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.22 17:53:00 -
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          Demolishar 
          Internet Spaceship Raiders
  
          
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            Originally by: Dalv Fliteo if you wanna be on the winning side convo ME :)
 
 
  Neither side is winning. The only way to win here is to stay out of this.
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          Cat o'Ninetails 
          Caldari Rancer Defence League
  
          
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          well i have arrived at my destination and the journey was fraught with many perils and dangers but am looking forwards to much defending lol \o/ 
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          Slade Trillgon 
          Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
  
          
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            Originally by: Kazuros Chiming in with my two cents:
  NRDS is a useless policy in 0.0. You cannot assume that anyone in nullsec will leave you alone as long as they leave you alone. Having an NRDS policy, especially one as public as this, makes you permanently the hunted.
 
 
 
 
  You clearly do not understand the concept of NRDS  .
  Otherwise, good luck Aaron. You will need at least a little. The last attempt must have been an excellent learnign experiance, so that is definately a plus for this venture.
 
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          Cat o'Ninetails 
          Caldari Rancer Defence League
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.23 09:24:00 -
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          unfortunately i was not able to spend many time at my new 0.0 home once i arrived yesterday as i was far too busy being delicious lol but here is a little tale about my perillous journey
  i had logged in after the kind gm allowed me to log in so that i could renew my pilots licence, and was brought to the e-a chat room by aaron. there was much jubilation. on finding out my destination was 47 jumps or so from rancer i engaged in some sood old fashioned raging. i think the last 30 jumps or so was 0.0 space so i was pretty frightened at this point because as you may know, there are lots of people who will shoot you for no good reason in 0.0  
  about that whole shooty shooty thing for no reason well i was just busy minding my own business in the solar system of E02-IK and i thought that i would just nip in to change my clone location from rancer to that e02 so as not to lose the progress i had already made. well this is where the problem began
  i was going to continue my journey but there were some rather unsavory types outside station who were enjoying destroying my capsule over and over again. after about five times of this i decided to go to play with a ball of yarn instead, i was hoping to have a nap but the residents were not that kind and continued to try shooting me. i am sneaky though and managed to escape and continue my dangerous mission with just a few dings in my trusty defencemobile  
  i settled in for some more clicking of my ships computer and then waiting for stuff to happen. click. wait. click. wait. this made me a little sleepy and i dont think my concentration was at its peak but that could also be the catnip lol
  i barely noticed that on one gate i jumped through there was much enemies and my hope that they were targeting me to do repairs was swiftly quashed but like i say i am sneaky and their application of warp disruption technology was prolly regrettable for them  
  the rest of the trip was pretty uneventful but i made sure to change where i would respawn if my egg was destroyed again
  so here i am. i knew i should have trained for a cloak lol
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  ps hai to everyone who waved at me and said hi while is was passing through locals :D
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          Aaron 
          Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
  
          
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          Edited by: Aaron on 23/07/2010 09:48:39
   Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails unfortunately i was not able to spend many time at my new 0.0 home once i arrived yesterday as i was far too busy being delicious lol but here is a little tale about my perillous journey
  i had logged in after the kind gm allowed me to log in so that i could renew my pilots licence, and was brought to the e-a chat room by aaron. there was much jubilation. on finding out my destination was 47 jumps or so from rancer i engaged in some sood old fashioned raging. i think the last 30 jumps or so was 0.0 space so i was pretty frightened at this point because as you may know, there are lots of people who will shoot you for no good reason in 0.0  
  about that whole shooty shooty thing for no reason well i was just busy minding my own business in the solar system of E02-IK and i thought that i would just nip in to change my clone location from rancer to that e02 so as not to lose the progress i had already made. well this is where the problem began
  i was going to continue my journey but there were some rather unsavory types outside station who were enjoying destroying my capsule over and over again. after about five times of this i decided to go to play with a ball of yarn instead, i was hoping to have a nap but the residents were not that kind and continued to try shooting me. i am sneaky though and managed to escape and continue my dangerous mission with just a few dings in my trusty defencemobile  
  i settled in for some more clicking of my ships computer and then waiting for stuff to happen. click. wait. click. wait. this made me a little sleepy and i dont think my concentration was at its peak but that could also be the catnip lol
  i barely noticed that on one gate i jumped through there was much enemies and my hope that they were targeting me to do repairs was swiftly quashed but like i say i am sneaky and their application of warp disruption technology was prolly regrettable for them  
  the rest of the trip was pretty uneventful but i made sure to change where i would respawn if my egg was destroyed again
  so here i am. i knew i should have trained for a cloak lol
  xx
 
  ps hai to everyone who waved at me and said hi while is was passing through locals :D
 
 
  lol :)
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          Dracvlad 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.23 09:54:00 -
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          6 times, wow..., they were no Gentlemen that is for certain..., methinks their name is all wrong, more like Cads Club!!!!
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          BrutalButUnfair 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.23 14:13:00 -
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          Guys give Aaron a break. I still think he has got some good idea's. 
  - Initially you are neut so he won't shoot you. And even welcome you. - If you shoot him then youre set red. (and even then he will talk to you and try to convince you to join him. It's you're call)
  This is in essence NRDS.
  Just let people try it and figure it out for them selfs. If they don't like they wil leave else they stay. No point in flaming Aaron for this or telling people to stay away.
 
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          Aaron 
          Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
  
          
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          Edited by: Aaron on 23/07/2010 14:33:54 Ok, Ive had a few good convo's with one of the guys thats helping us plan, also present was dracvlad.
  Were considering scraping our NRDS stance and have come up with a new policy and weve named it NTDS (No Threat Dont Shoot) we felt this might be a good policy to have as once we have determined a neut is a threat we can go ahead and shoot.
  There are still a few concerns namley that we will have to go out of our way to find out if the neuts are hostile. 
  One good thing about this NTDS policy is that neutral roaming gangs will have a hard time getting past us, if weve placed lookout alts a few jumps out from our location we will see a scout followed by the roaming fleet, at this point we can saddle up ready to engage them.
  Neutral solo hostile cyno pilots maybe a bit more tricky to deal with, perhaps we need to watch their movements while they are in our system or pin them down and scan them with frigates and ensure they know this is what were going to do.
  Id be greatful if anyone else with any suggestions on this new NTDS policy could come into "e-a public" channel and have a chat.
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          Dracvlad 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.23 16:04:00 -
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          If you look at Stain it is behind AAA space, it is not next to High Sec or Low Sec, so its not that easy to just roam in here without being met by something nasty before you get here, try pasing through HED... You have the normal people in the area set red or blue, then you have passing traffic which is a lot less then people think.
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          Aaron 
          Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.23 23:35:00 -
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          We're going to have to accept the game is changing and a few things have just occured to me.
  i have alot of respect for CCP and I have opened my eyes and can see what theyve done.
  SOV space is a mechanic that CCP has introduced and I believe their main intention was to get all the poeple who are hardcore NBSI and controlled all of 0.0 into SOV space. Im of the opinion that if you have vast numbers and you're working SOV space systems then you have a licence to print isk.
  The intoduction of the SOV mechanic has also left NPC 0.0 space almost completly bare. this is a fact everyone must accept. We also have to accept that these super alliances simply wont have the time to devote all their resource into camping us in a determined attack.
  Sign me up to help usher in this new era of eve.
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          BjornarGoesToSpace 
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        Posted - 2010.07.24 00:23:00 -
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          Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 24/07/2010 00:23:54 Aaron, i draw this for you. Love, Bjornar<3
 
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          Danika Drake 
           
  
          
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          What's to usher in? If you're very successful and get enough players out then you take your own sov space and enter into the next logical step to "print isk," as you put it. 
  Unless you're out to defy the present order and just remain an NPC-space organization, in which case you've already become aware of just how problematic that is and why it's not feasible (long-term) in the same way sov. is (and was intended to be).
  I give you kudoz for the effort, but you seem intelligent enough to know that it won't take much effort to shut you down and you are certainly going to have people queue'd up around the block to do it given how bored most NAP'd up alliances are these days.
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          Aaron 
          Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
  
          
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          Edited by: Aaron on 24/07/2010 02:34:48
   Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 24/07/2010 00:33:51 Aaron, i draw this for you. Love, Bjornar.
 
 
 
  HAHAHA, nice one man, that made me lol actually.
  Have a butchers at my most recent kill im sure you will lol also. Its quite interesting, opens up lots of posibilities.
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          Dracvlad 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.24 10:59:00 -
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          Haven't seen much of Deadline recently in your feeble attempts to stop us from ratting, you may have to remove them from your graph at some point which will really impact your member count, but you will find that out in due course...
 
   Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 24/07/2010 02:34:48
   Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 24/07/2010 00:33:51 Aaron, i draw this for you. Love, Bjornar.
 
 
 
  HAHAHA, nice one man, that made me lol actually.
  Have a butchers at my most recent kill im sure you will lol also. Its quite interesting, opens up lots of posibilities.
 
 
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          Aaron 
          Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.24 23:00:00 -
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            Originally by: Aaron
 
  The intoduction of the SOV mechanic has also left NPC 0.0 space almost completly bare. this is a fact everyone must accept. We also have to accept that these super alliances simply wont have the time to devote all their resource into camping us in a determined attack.
 
 
 
 
  If our coalition of independent corps and pilots can take over a secluded group of systems and spread ourselves out it would be quite a task to attack. yes there will be small casualties, however because im hoping to attract around 400 to 500 pilots we may have to contribute to our own insurance to get a free ratting battlecruiser.
  Theres a couple of guys taking about doing carrier and jump frieghter runs into the area. so in theory there we could have a small piece of hi sec in NPC 0.0.
  With regard to isk loss, i cant see it being that bad, if you've had the unlucky experience of being targeted out of hundreds of people then youll have to HTFU, saddle up and get on with it. thats the way it goes sometimes. So think about it guys, with vast numbers we can overcome this and spread the loss.
  I've also been thinking about the role of people that come here. I'd like to make clear that ive got no problem with people who come here just to consume and not get involved in the management of it. of course it would be great if you could help defend against roams but its not a requirement.
  I think it could get to the stage where super alliances will accept the high sec precence in NPC 0.0 and start getting involved. Maybe they could sell you wares at great prices so in effect we could just be creating another isk faucet for super alliances.
  Get involved in the planning and come in chat channel "e-a public"
 
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          BjornarGoesToSpace 
          Local-Spike
  
          
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          Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 24/07/2010 23:25:35 ...because im hoping to attract around 400 to 500 pilots we may have to contribute to o... What? Is this where you mention you are going to take over Stain and make it New-Providence ?
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          MaxxOmega 
          Caldari Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.24 23:36:00 -
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            Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia TO: ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS THIS GUY
  ME AND ALL MY INTERNET FRIENDS WILL COME AND GRIEF YOU. 
  WE WILL FIND YOUR STATIONS AND WAIT AT YOUR UNDOCKS AND KILL YOU AND TAKE ALL YOUR INTERNET SPACESHIP LOOT FOR OURSELVES
  GOOD LUCK AARON, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I THANK YOU FOR GETTING ALL THE GULLIBLE NAIVE PEOPLE OF EVE AND HERDING THEM TO ONE NICE KILL SPOT FOR ME
  I AWAIT YOUR SUCCESS SO THAT I MAY USHER IN YOUR FAILURE
 
  Melodramatic drivel. You sound like a nub...
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          Tombstone Frank 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.24 23:44:00 -
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          This sort of stuff makes EVE cool. I can't help but be sympathetic towards Aaron and his idealistic crusade. It's like sort of like the hopeless yet noble battle against the forces of evil and choas, like what you would find in a novel or movie, only it's playing out in real time in an MMO. Sounds like fun as long as people don't take it too seriously.  
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          Cat o'Ninetails 
          Caldari Rancer Defence League
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.24 23:59:00 -
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          A few people have asked me about this, why I'd want to be involved, why I'd want to do this. There's a lot of why. There's no need for why lol  
  The reason I'm doing this is simple, really. I've always been into non-aggression, defending and the like. Why limit myself to a single solar system? As you may know, it is my dream to one day defend the whole of New Eden lol
  Aarons philosophy fits rather well with what I consider my ideological Eve. I hope to help this initiative in the best way I can. I consider this cause to be incredibly noble, and just. I hope that together we can overcome the coming problems, and take a step towards my dream of a safe New Eden for all of us.
 
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          Mess1ah 
           
  
          
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            Originally by: Tombstone Frank This sort of stuff makes EVE cool. I can't help but be sympathetic towards Aaron and his idealistic crusade. It's like sort of like the hopeless yet noble battle against the forces of evil and choas, like what you would find in a novel or movie, only it's playing out in real time in an MMO. Sounds like fun as long as people don't take it too seriously.  
 
 
 
  and u r?
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          Aaron 
          Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
  
          
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            Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Hey Aaron,
  Try to not collect everything and everybody in too small of a place. I have soloed in 0.0 NPC space and let's face it, there are alliances that think they have SOV. They will outnumber and outgun you. So don't try to make it like a corp war, deal with them using asymmetric warfare. For them to even bother to go up against that, they will already have lost before they undocked. Time spent trying to hunt down neutrals is precious time lost ratting to them, which, having already won the place, was the only thing left for them to do. Nothing they hate more than the presence of a non-blue making their macros dock up. Keep the assets and the forces spread out, and they will have to choose between sacrificing all to get back to where they were before, OR simple accepting that they don't own the place and leaving neutrals alone. 
 
 
 
 
 
  This is the very essence of eve online, once you accept the facts in this post you can achieve anything.
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          Tombstone Frank 
           
  
          
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            Originally by: Mess1ah and u r?
 
 
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          Typherian 
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          Edited by: Typherian on 25/07/2010 00:25:33 Hmmm. I havn't been up to UF in a while but if another threadnaught is starting I may have to swing by and say hello. Quick message to anyone joining up with Aaron. Be prepared to cloak and dock alot. See you all in space.
  PS. Remember though.... you are supposed to be ignoring me..... AARON TOLD YOU TO DO IT. DO EET NAO.
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          MaxxOmega 
          Caldari Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
  
          
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            Originally by: Aaron The thought of normal hi-sec people never ever venturing into 0.0 in massive numbers is discouraging.
  Well what do you expect? Have you read the forums here? Empire Dwellers (I hate the ****ing name Carebear), are constantly ridiculed, made fun of, told they are a waste of space and that they are ruining the game. All by people in 0.0. People come here to have fun, not to be treated like **** and stepped on just because they live in Empire and are perfectly happy doing so.
  Even when I joined FW, I was told I wasn't welcome in fleets because since I was new I was obviously a spy. I understand perfectly you can't make people take you on a fleet, but this is why people dropped out. But I wanted to play FW so I stuck it out. But I saw many people who were in and out of FW in a matter of days because of people treating them like crap. (I quickly discovered FW was crap and left anyway but that is another story)...
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          Aaron 
          Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
  
          
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            Originally by: MaxxOmega
   Originally by: Aaron The thought of normal hi-sec people never ever venturing into 0.0 in massive numbers is discouraging.
  Well what do you expect? Have you read the forums here? Empire Dwellers (I hate the ****ing name Carebear), are constantly ridiculed, made fun of, told they are a waste of space and that they are ruining the game. All by people in 0.0. People come here to have fun, not to be treated like **** and stepped on just because they live in Empire and are perfectly happy doing so.
 
 
 
 
  Ok, i feel that listening to rumours and propaganda can be non productive, It doesnt matter what 0.0 people think of empire dwellers, miners and traders are needed everywhere. 
  I know you say you are happy in empire, but wouldnt you like to experience a part of 0.0 space filled with hundreds of people from empire?
  Also, it looks certain this project will take place away from our current systems.
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          MaxxOmega 
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            Originally by: Aaron
   Originally by: MaxxOmega
   Originally by: Aaron The thought of normal hi-sec people never ever venturing into 0.0 in massive numbers is discouraging.
  Well what do you expect? Have you read the forums here? Empire Dwellers (I hate the ****ing name Carebear), are constantly ridiculed, made fun of, told they are a waste of space and that they are ruining the game. All by people in 0.0. People come here to have fun, not to be treated like **** and stepped on just because they live in Empire and are perfectly happy doing so.
 
 
 
 
  Ok, i feel that listening to rumours and propaganda can be non productive, It doesnt matter what 0.0 people think of empire dwellers, miners and traders are needed everywhere. 
  I know you say you are happy in empire, but wouldnt you like to experience a part of 0.0 space filled with hundreds of people from empire?
  Also, it looks certain this project will take place away from our current systems.
 
  Sorry, a little more explanation. I actually live in 0.0 and I prefer it there. I'm just talking about the forum stuff where the "real EVE players of 0.0" are always making fun of people who like a different type of game. I believe that a certain portion of Empire dwellers don't move to 0.0 because they don't feel welcome...
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          Skyla Huron 
           
  
          
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        Posted - 2010.07.25 05:07:00 -
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            Originally by: Aaron Ok, i feel that listening to rumours...
 
  Most of the 0.0 info on the forums isn't really discouraging (obvious loltroll posts aside), but a really spiffy mythos about how great it can be "with the right people," and in the general context of joining up with some grand organization to facilitate the process.
  Frankly, I've been in lowsec, highsec, sov null, npc null, and the only major diffirence is just how annoying EVE can become based on where you "live." I operate out of empire presently because I can be relatively close to pvp, mission hubs, trade hubs, and still skip out to nullsec when I want to. Living in nullsec (regardless of sov) merely adds another level of inherent trust to the equation. As anyone who has played for more than a month knows, trust in EVE leads to absolutely nothing good in the long term. So, outside of capfleets (which seems to be the big ticket for those interested in living in the "wild" NAPfest of sov. space) there's just no good reason to bother with nullsec. You're 100% more restricted, make marginally more isk for your efforts, and have nothing to spend that extra isk on unless you put in even more effort to create the necessary trade networks yourself. Paying premium nullsec prices just burns off any "risk" profit you made. In the end, anyone who isn't interested in the sov game is just in nullsec temporarily.
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          Orion GUardian 
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        Posted - 2010.07.25 08:43:00 -
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          haven't I seen this like.....5 times already? wtf man
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          Aaron 
          Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
  
          
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            Originally by: MaxxOmega
  Sorry, a little more explanation. I actually live in 0.0 and I prefer it there. I'm just talking about the forum stuff where the "real EVE players of 0.0" are always making fun of people who like a different type of game. I believe that a certain portion of Empire dwellers don't move to 0.0 because they don't feel welcome...
 
 
  Yeah I hear you man, I was on voice once when the first venture finished, Local-spike came in to the channel antagonising, They had a convo with Celes Steele and mocked him because all he did was seek out plexes in 0.0 and nothing else, I thought some members of local spike were silly for doing that because people can play the game however they want.
  Yes it can be annoying in 0.0. This is a good reason why we have to stick together with hundreds of other hi-sec dudes. Bottom line is the hostiles will have a very hard time griefing hundreds of people.
  I can't be any clearer, Hi-sec dudes are welcome wherever I am as I have no problem with them. NPC 0.0 is almost empty.
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