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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.20 12:20:00 -
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Invitation to 0.0 is a long running mission and the objective is to populate 0.0 and do it under NRDS (not red dont shoot). Its alot of fun and will make eve exciting.
Anyone NRDS will be invited to come down and help build this.
Ive been living in NPC 0.0 for almost 8 years and cant advise on the best ways to stay safe a make a good living.
I have tried this before and im sure lots of people will be quick to tell you it was a faliure, I believe differently.
On the last Invitation to 0.0 I made a handful of friends who have helped me to see differently, they have helped me refine my leadership skills so that I am in a better postion to advise and consult.
This really is a tough mission, you will relocate to a very harsh part of the eve universe. You will have my help, I will organise carrier runs from hi-sec and invest in community projects that will help us to grow.
I can build everything possible in an NPC station and have a massive blueprint library
I'd like there to be a spokesperson/leader of the community. Your job will be to liase with myself and the community and help us to prosper. please contact me for a chat if you want to try this role. you would need to be a long term pilot as there is no definate date as to when this is going to happen. Id like to get in contact with people so we can plan this properly.
This is really a venture for mature people (over 30s) however we welcome younger folks as their perspaeective on life can be interesting.
This is a genuine offer, so please consider it carfully. we are using our alliance channel "e-a public" to plan stuff for the future so feel free to join it anytime.
Good Luck, and fly safe, I look forward to talking to all of you interesting people.
N.B: Any form of trolling, rudeness or abuse will be reported immiediatly. Only constructive critisisms and good convo's here.
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Executive Alpha
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:26:00 -
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Ohh dear god not again........
I could have sworn i read a post of yours saying you were leaving EVE for a year.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:43:00 -
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Here we go again... Time to get the popcorn production facilities moving. Fix Rockets in '08 '09 2010 2011 2012?! |
Oricalchum
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:45:00 -
[4]
OH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN
fakedit: OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY -Waffles-
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Executive Alpha
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin Here we go again... Time to get the popcorn production facilities moving.
I would like to reserve a portion of said popcorn.
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Stroh Blatz
Gallente Dirty Martini Clinical Operations
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:49:00 -
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I'm starting up a new 0.0 region. Its called Pabst Blue Ribbon Abyss. Convo me for acreage deeds. Your signature image is missing. Zymurgist |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
Ive been living in NPC 0.0 for almost 8 years and cant advise on the best ways to stay safe a make a good living.
That could be the reason your endeavors have failed.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:59:00 -
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Ground Floor, First Page in another "Hey look at me" Aaron thread. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.20 14:17:00 -
[9]
Thread cleaned of off topic and troll replies.
Please stay on topic and discuss the contents of the OP.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.20 14:25:00 -
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@Tornado Bait: contact me in game.
@whoever actually wants to be said "spokesperson": I would HIGHLY suggest to find out all the people the OP has ****ed off in the area and do some serious negotiating.
@EVERYONE ELSE: move over and pass me the jiffy pop!!! ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.20 14:34:00 -
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Ok, lets try this again...
What are the benefits for me if you can't even advise me?
Originally by: Aaron
Ive been living in NPC 0.0 for almost 8 years and cant advise on the best ways to stay safe a make a good living.
How will you deal with suggestions or handle criticism?
http://eve-search.com/thread/1356444
What is the one good reason to join you?
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Aralieus
Amarr The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.07.20 15:06:00 -
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You sure are persistent aren't you, GL Aaron (again)
Fortune favors the bold!!!
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken-Tyler Durden |
superteds
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Posted - 2010.07.20 15:13:00 -
[13]
GIVE UP
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.07.20 15:18:00 -
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Thread reported to be in false section of forums...
One of these is better suited:
Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center Use this forum to advertise job opportunities or find a corporation or alliance to join.
Events & Gatherings In or out of the game, use this forum to plan events, gatherings, LAN parties, or other social events.
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Kazuros
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Posted - 2010.07.20 15:44:00 -
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Chiming in with my two cents:
NRDS is a useless policy in 0.0. You cannot assume that anyone in nullsec will leave you alone as long as they leave you alone. Having an NRDS policy, especially one as public as this, makes you permanently the hunted. People who know that you will not fire on them until they engage you will always have the upper hand on you, as they will be able to dictate how the engagement begins. The only way to level the playing field is to shoot first and ask questions later. If you are worried about someone not liking you, then you need to get over that right away. Most of the people in nullsec probably wont like you. Making friends in nullsec takes a certain finesse in being able to spot the right people to make contact with before deciding to send a fleet after them.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.20 17:34:00 -
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Hey Guys,
Firstly I'd like to suggest that whoever is going to be involved in this should completley ignore Gabriel Angelus and his corp. He is absolutley nothing to do with this project and has nothing constructive to add. Other people that should be ignored are Apotheosis Of Virtue (Alliance), an alliance called Deadline, and Dalv Fliteo, ceo of Not another one man corp.
Ok, my responses.
Breaker77 - hey buddy, this venture is for the eve community and will be run by the eve community. I can advise you of local hostiles, avoidance tactics, and money making methods. Im very happy to take any suggestions on-board we will have a chat and follow them through to their logical conclusion. The reason to join me is that I want change. NBSI policy has determined the way people play this game and I strongly feel it is time for us to make a stand and take what we want.
Aralieus - Thanks bud.
Kazuros - NRDS can work, I have been living here for a very long time and ive been able to determine who is likley to attack us. I have set hostile people red, provided weve got our eyes open it will be very easy to avoid ship loss. We will have to take the time to place lookouts in strategic positions in relation to where we dwell so that we can get informed of when bad guys are incomming. PVP does not have to be about us engaging the enemy, PVP is also about knowing when not to engage.
Please remember no date has been set for when this project is to start, this thread is being used for initial contact and to discuss the theoretical aspect of 0.0 population before we put anything into practice.
Im very interested to hear the thoughts and ideas of any NRDS pilot or corp and hopfully implement it into the game plan.
Thanks for your time.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.20 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 20/07/2010 22:51:04 Edited by: Aaron on 20/07/2010 22:49:06 *****
Dear Cat O Ninetails,
Cat, your presence is urgently needed to assist in populating NPC 0.0. You are required to drop everything you are doing and come and assist in making this project one of the best projects eve online has ever seen.
This is your calling, without you we have nothing. Who will make us laugh?? Who will raise our morale when the going gets tough??
You have percieved the resonance, and you must come and fulfill your destiny.
I recently found scriptures in the caves near the Kendra province on UF-KKH. We've translated the scriptures and it appears an eve God foretold you're destiny. Apparently you play an imporant role in making this happen.
We can ill-afford to ignore these scriptures and must act upon them immediately.
Yours in good faith
Aaron
*****
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Arvald
Caldari The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2010.07.20 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 20/07/2010 23:23:10 Edited by: Arvald on 20/07/2010 23:22:39 Edited by: Arvald on 20/07/2010 23:21:53
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 20/07/2010 22:51:04 Edited by: Aaron on 20/07/2010 22:49:06 *****
Dear Cat O Ninetails,
Cat, your presence is urgently needed to assist in populating NPC 0.0. You are required to drop everything you are doing and come and assist in making this project one of the best projects eve online has ever seen.
This is your calling, without you we have nothing. Who will make us laugh?? Who will raise our morale when the going gets tough??
You have percieved the resonance, and you must come and fulfill your destiny.
I recently found scriptures in the caves near the Kendra province on UF-KKH. We've translated the scriptures and it appears an eve God foretold you're destiny. Apparently you play an imporant role in making this happen.
We can ill-afford to ignore these scriptures and must act upon them immediately.
Yours in good faith
Aaron
*****
cat asked me to relay a message
\puts on curly blond wig *ahem*
hai guys cat here like lol snd me an email to here [email protected]
as i'm unsubscribed atm. also love and kisse lol
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Musical Fist
Gallente NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.20 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
Dear Cat O Ninetails,
The Cat is on strike! --
Recruiting now open!! |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.21 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 20/07/2010 23:27:56 Edited by: Arvald on 20/07/2010 23:23:10 Edited by: Arvald on 20/07/2010 23:22:39 Edited by: Arvald on 20/07/2010 23:21:53
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 20/07/2010 22:51:04 Edited by: Aaron on 20/07/2010 22:49:06 *****
Dear Cat O Ninetails,
Cat, your presence is urgently needed to assist in populating NPC 0.0. You are required to drop everything you are doing and come and assist in making this project one of the best projects eve online has ever seen.
This is your calling, without you we have nothing. Who will make us laugh?? Who will raise our morale when the going gets tough??
You have percieved the resonance, and you must come and fulfill your destiny.
I recently found scriptures in the caves near the Kendra province on UF-KKH. We've translated the scriptures and it appears an eve God foretold you're destiny. Apparently you play an imporant role in making this happen.
We can ill-afford to ignore these scriptures and must act upon them immediately.
Yours in good faith
Aaron
*****
cat asked me to relay a message
\puts on curly blond wig *ahem*
hai guys cat here like lol snd me an email to here [email protected]
as i'm unsubscribed atm. also love and kisse lol
lol,
ive messeged Cat i sent it at 01:38 on 21/07/2010 GMT
Our destiny awaits.
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RatKnight1
Gallente Mahdi Followers
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Posted - 2010.07.21 00:48:00 -
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I think for this to work you are going to need a few things?
1) People willing to risk everything to come with you
2) Locals willing to follow a NRDS policy (less likely)
3) A reason to go to null sec
Remember, it has to be profitable. I, being an industrialist, obviously see the value in high end ores, and the such, but what you need is a plan, and infrastructure to make this work.
Just my .02 ISK worth :)
Rat [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=RatKnight1][/u |
Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.21 00:52:00 -
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Attention whoring again?
Haven't you learned?
Orca Pilot Sale |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.07.21 01:11:00 -
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Your first attempt failed quite hilariously so why should anyone join this attempt? - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant |
Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.21 01:54:00 -
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The only problem with NRDS is the not shooting part.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.07.21 02:12:00 -
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TO: ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS THIS GUY
ME AND ALL MY INTERNET FRIENDS WILL COME AND GRIEF YOU.
WE WILL FIND YOUR STATIONS AND WAIT AT YOUR UNDOCKS AND KILL YOU AND TAKE ALL YOUR INTERNET SPACESHIP LOOT FOR OURSELVES
GOOD LUCK AARON, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I THANK YOU FOR GETTING ALL THE GULLIBLE NAIVE PEOPLE OF EVE AND HERDING THEM TO ONE NICE KILL SPOT FOR ME
I AWAIT YOUR SUCCESS SO THAT I MAY USHER IN YOUR FAILURE
--- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved |
Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.21 02:27:00 -
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Oh sure, let's all get hotdropped by stain empire and -A- together! I forgot to mention that you are in fact reading something that is called a signature. |
Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.07.21 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 21/07/2010 02:51:18 NRDS is a neat idea if only for the fact that it offers an environment where anyone can experience a life in 0.0 no matter their age or skill level.
The huge problem with it is that there is no real game mechanic that supports it. For all of CVA's attempts to make themselves into the "good guys" taking on the role of concord, providence turned into such a massive cluster **** that they ended up alienating a significant portion of their former friends.
With the way Dominion works, we won't be seeing anything like NRDS again until CCP decides to make a supporting, in game mechanic that would make it not only viable, but worthwhile. And that is not going to happen any time in the foreseeable future.
Beyond anything else, NRDS is dead because dominion killed it. Love it or hate it, it is gone.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.21 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 21/07/2010 03:18:42
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 21/07/2010 02:51:18 NRDS is a neat idea if only for the fact that it offers an environment where anyone can experience a life in 0.0 no matter their age or skill level.
The huge problem with it is that there is no real game mechanic that supports it. For all of CVA's attempts to make themselves into the "good guys" taking on the role of concord, providence turned into such a massive cluster **** that they ended up alienating a significant portion of their former friends.
With the way Dominion works, we won't be seeing anything like NRDS again until CCP decides to make a supporting, in game mechanic that would make it not only viable, but worthwhile. And that is not going to happen any time in the foreseeable future.
Beyond anything else, NRDS is dead because dominion killed it. Love it or hate it, it is gone.
You and I had a great chat, and you may have highlighted a valid point. In some circumstances NRDS may not be the viable option.
Id like to have a look at enhancing this NRDS policy and I am open to changing it somewhat.
Honestly, I have set all of the corps and alliances that roam and are NBSI to red, so perhaps it maybe a case of having a few online alts in my corp so you can see whose who. maybe even having lookout alts 3 or 4 jumps out to deal with enemy scouts. I was even thinking of pinning down people who come into our section and questioning them.
Either way its not going to be easy, if we are to do this properly and appeal to the people of hi-sec we have to adopt an attitude that suits them.
Eternum, i was impressed with your arguments and id hope youd be happy to come back to the channel for a few more chats, i think it would be interesting for anyone else that joins in the convos to hear your views and opinions. Perhaps you can help us enhance this NRDS policy with your knowledge.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.21 04:14:00 -
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Hey Aaron,
Try to not collect everything and everybody in too small of a place. I have soloed in 0.0 NPC space and let's face it, there are alliances that think they have SOV. They will outnumber and outgun you. So don't try to make it like a corp war, deal with them using asymmetric warfare. For them to even bother to go up against that, they will already have lost before they undocked. Time spent trying to hunt down neutrals is precious time lost ratting to them, which, having already won the place, was the only thing left for them to do. Nothing they hate more than the presence of a non-blue making their macros dock up. Keep the assets and the forces spread out, and they will have to choose between sacrificing all to get back to where they were before, OR simple accepting that they don't own the place and leaving neutrals alone.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.21 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia TO: ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS THIS GUY
ME AND ALL MY INTERNET FRIENDS WILL COME AND GRIEF YOU.
WE WILL FIND YOUR STATIONS AND WAIT AT YOUR UNDOCKS AND KILL YOU AND TAKE ALL YOUR INTERNET SPACESHIP LOOT FOR OURSELVES
GOOD LUCK AARON, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I THANK YOU FOR GETTING ALL THE GULLIBLE NAIVE PEOPLE OF EVE AND HERDING THEM TO ONE NICE KILL SPOT FOR ME
I AWAIT YOUR SUCCESS SO THAT I MAY USHER IN YOUR FAILURE
There is a queue you know!!!!
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Rebecca Aventine
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Posted - 2010.07.21 07:07:00 -
[31]
Here we go again...
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Domonique Molvoy
Exploitation Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.21 07:26:00 -
[32]
Inb4 80 pages Domonique Molvoy Shiptoasting extraordinaire |
Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.07.21 07:39:00 -
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You know, you haven't even mentioned once where this "NRDS NPC 0.0" is. Come to think of it I don't even remember where your last attempt was.
While your carebear rage is rather entertaining. I would like to know where you are trying your second take.
PS I'm glad you finally understand the report post feature, don't abuse it the story of the boy who cried wolf comes to mind. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.07.21 16:09:00 -
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As much as I wanted to see this succeed, there is no chance of that. The amount of people actively hunting Aaron is simply too great, and they WILL destroy anything he tries to create. I don't believe his situation is recoverable at all, either for his alliance, or for himself.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.07.21 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian until CCP decides to make a supporting, in game mechanic that would make it not only viable, but worthwhile. And that is not going to happen any time in the foreseeable future.
Nail on the head there. Lots of players are interested in having more than one model for 0.0 but apparently CCP just isn't. Sad really, not much of a sandbox when you actively support only one certain style of castle.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.21 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 21/07/2010 16:36:39 Edited by: Aaron on 21/07/2010 16:35:09 Hey Demo, hows it goin bud.
The situation is a tricky one.
Honestly, There are about 22 dudes in total that have it in for me and will probably never leave me alone. The destroy Aaron coallition consists of;
Deadline (Alliance) small, industrial , not focused on pvp - 3 or 4 guys Local-Spike (corp) ex sys-k, i used to be friends with them. about 6 or 7 guys enjoy harrassing me Apotheosis Of Virtue (Alliance) about 10 guys in this alliance have it in for me. Not Another One Man Corp (Corp) a very bitter and vengful corp hellbent on my demise, about 3 or 4 guys
Listed above are the all the people on a bitter vendetta, in the english timezone they can only get about 8 guys to camp me. in the US timezone id say no more than 8 guys.
As you can see their numbers arnt that great with carful planning and good fleet command it would be very easy to see these guys off.
Also, theres the option of moving about 20 jumps away from our current location and I can say with 100% certanty that they will not follow for 24/7 camps.
I myself have moved 2 jumps away from the current location and they cannot bother me here, Ive been lucky enough to get 2 Brokara spawns and netted myself about 3 billion.
Their only objective is really to stop me dwelling in the one system that ive lived in for so long, now that I havent got my eggs in one basket they are finding it extremley difficult to cause me grief.
It just depends on how you look at the situation. if I want to stay in the one system, then yes it will be hard for myself and anyone with me, if I dwell in multiple systems, We will be left alone.
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.21 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Erick Odin on 21/07/2010 16:36:58 Demolishar is correct. And the simple solution would be to leave UF-KKH. However, Aaron is to self-centered to consider leaving. Staying in UF-KKH is more important to him than 'changing and populating 0.0' will ever be. This is PROOF of his nature, and should be giant warning sign too anybody considering joining his carebear's in 0.0 project.
Edit: ahh yes, the daily officer spawns that drop for Aaron, lol
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.07.21 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Also, theres the option of moving about 20 jumps away from our current location
Originally by: Erick Odin However, Aaron is to self-centered to0 consider leaving. Staying in UF-KKH is more important to him than 'changing and populating 0.0' will ever be. This is PROOF of his nature, and should be giant warning sign to anybody considering joining his carebear's in 0.0 project.
Reading comprehension problems Erick?
And just FYI; to=motion or intention, too=also, to0=
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.21 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Erick Odin Edited by: Erick Odin on 21/07/2010 16:37:40 Edited by: Erick Odin on 21/07/2010 16:36:58 Demolishar is correct. And the simple solution would be to leave UF-KKH. However, Aaron is to self-centered to0 consider leaving. Staying in UF-KKH is more important to him than 'changing and populating 0.0' will ever be. This is PROOF of his nature, and should be giant warning sign to anybody considering joining his carebear's in 0.0 project.
Edit: ahh yes, the daily officer spawns that drop for Aaron, lol
With respect Erick, you dont know what you are talking about.
The possibilities are endless, I can do anything I want and despite all the losses that you and your friends have caused i'm still here thriving. Ive made lots of money from your friends as I have quadrupled the price of everything and they still buy it.
Maybe it might be an idea to gather some facts before posting here Erick.
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.21 16:58:00 -
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I was simply responding to Demolishar and calling you a liar.
You do not have a 'NRDS/populate 0.0' objective. You want some Empire guys to come and help you kick out your enemies.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.21 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 21/07/2010 17:06:53 Hey Catherine Frasier hows it goin there?
My opinion on this differs slightly, I feel that everything is already in place to enable us to be sucessful.
We have the power to build a powerful force and we have the power to stay out of harms way. I dont feel that anything really needs to be changed with regard to the way CCP has designed the game.
Ultimatley it will be up to us to defend ourselves with powerful ships and good tactics.
Ive always felt that if we want somthing we have to go and take it.
Erick: If thats what u believe its ok bud. I dont play the game for vendetta as im not a griefer I never have been. I'm eager to work with a cool set of people that will help us move on to another stage. If the people I ally myself with feel they want to stay and fight you I'm cool with that, also if they want to move away from here im also cool with that.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.21 18:06:00 -
[42]
Excellent... then leave. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Ronnieb
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Posted - 2010.07.21 19:12:00 -
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I really can't believe you're still trying this..
It's been almost a year since your first attempt and it seems you've gotten nowhere.. You're still in UF with hostile neutrals.. and it seems you've made even more enemies.
To anyone wishing to venture into 0.0:
Do the smart thing, join a corp. Take it from someone who was a part of Aaron's first "invitation". Many renter corps thrive out in 0.0, have low requirements for recruitment, and casual play styles (no mandatory ops). You'll get everything you would out of Aarons "Hub Zero" project, and much much more.
You'll lose less ships, have more blues, and not be stuck playing station games or waiting out camps out in NPC 0.0.
But hey, if its your thing to be constantly surrounded and outnumbered by neuts and reds who don't follow Aaron's "rules".. then by all means make the journey. I wish you the best of luck.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.21 19:32:00 -
[44]
Well me and a number of alliance mates intend to stay and we will fight to stay regardless of these people whose sole intent is to grief Aaron and anyone around him. You should see the lengths these people go to and their posts here show their attitude, its a bit sad to be honest...
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.21 19:34:00 -
[45]
So why is Aaron pretending he is open to leaving?
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Duvida
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.07.21 19:42:00 -
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If there was a game mechanic that supported 'NRDS', how would it work? Currently, I read the OP and think... 'invitation to a gank', as there's nothing to prevent it in any way, even in a group. 0.0 space holds rewards, to be sure, but for a carebear, those are often gained by creeping and hiding your way into 0.0, as opposed to joining a group that may or may not contain a betrayer.
So, a game mechanic that would draw more carebears into Null? Learning... |
Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.21 19:53:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Erick Odin So why is Aaron pretending he is open to leaving?
He is not in UF at the moment is he? So who is pretending?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.21 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ronnieb I really can't believe you're still trying this..
It's been almost a year since your first attempt and it seems you've gotten nowhere.. You're still in UF with hostile neutrals.. and it seems you've made even more enemies.
To anyone wishing to venture into 0.0:
Do the smart thing, join a corp. Take it from someone who was a part of Aaron's first "invitation". Many renter corps thrive out in 0.0, have low requirements for recruitment, and casual play styles (no mandatory ops). You'll get everything you would out of Aarons "Hub Zero" project, and much much more.
You'll lose less ships, have more blues, and not be stuck playing station games or waiting out camps out in NPC 0.0.
But hey, if its your thing to be constantly surrounded and outnumbered by neuts and reds who don't follow Aaron's "rules".. then by all means make the journey. I wish you the best of luck.
It appears you have missed the point of this venture.
FYI, its about getting more people into NPC 0.0 not about joining a corp or alliance.
I think your comments are a bit ill-informed, you dont know anything about whats going on down here.
This venture can be very exciting and it pushes the boundries of eve helping people work together and achieve something great.
You were part of the original crew that came down here, and I have some constructive critisisms about you. I'd say that you didnt know much about teamwork and thought mainly of yourself and not of the team as a whole. You didnt open your mind. It was difficult to get you to fleet up and listen to the fleet commander. Generally you had a very cynical view of the venture and didnt want to risk a single isk attempting to make the place safer for all.
Can you see whats wrong with your attitude about this venture?
If you ever want anything to happen in Eve you have to work for it, its never going to be handed to you on a plate.
As I said before you never bothered to find out whats really happening down here, It would have been great if you took the time to analyses the situation a bit deeper.
I know for a fact that 12 battleship capable pilots coupled with my current crew could easily secure our current residence. The question is are they ready to take the risk and try. I fear the answer maybe no.
It takes a brave person to join in this venture.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.21 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Duvida If there was a game mechanic that supported 'NRDS', how would it work? Currently, I read the OP and think... 'invitation to a gank', as there's nothing to prevent it in any way, even in a group. 0.0 space holds rewards, to be sure, but for a carebear, those are often gained by creeping and hiding your way into 0.0, as opposed to joining a group that may or may not contain a betrayer.
So, a game mechanic that would draw more carebears into Null?
Hey Duvida, hows it goin?
Do you really think its that difficult to avoid a gank?
Would you find it difficult to join an intel channel and keep an eye on it for warnings of incomming hostiles?
Is it that hard to post a few lookout alts a few jumps away in either direction of our home?
Is it so difficult to warp safe and cloak when people come to attack?
I just feel that some folks view of NPC 0.0 are exaggerated, its not as bad as you think, with good planning and carful tactics somthing can work.
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Ronnieb
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Posted - 2010.07.21 20:32:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Aaron
FYI, its about getting more people into NPC 0.0 not about joining a corp or alliance.
Your thread is simply marked "invitation to 0.0." In your original venture you encouraged everyone of all skill levels to come to your system so they could experience 0.0 for themselves. I'm not saying that joining a corp is the only way to be in 0.0, I'm simply stating that for a new, low SP character, or someone with no experience in 0.0, joining a corp is often the path of least resistance.
Originally by: Aaron
This venture can be very exciting and it pushes the boundries of eve helping people work together and achieve something great.
What, you mean like in a corp?
Originally by: Aaron
You were part of the original crew that came down here, and I have some constructive critisisms about you. I'd say that you didnt know much about teamwork and thought mainly of yourself and not of the team as a whole. You didnt open your mind. It was difficult to get you to fleet up and listen to the fleet commander. Generally you had a very cynical view of the venture and didnt want to risk a single isk attempting to make the place safer for all.
This I can agree with. You see, I was several months old when I was invited by you, and had little knowledge of 0.0. You taught me a lot of things I still hold true today, and I thank you for that.
However, how can you not expect someone to mainly think of themselves when no higher organization is present? When I was there Aaron, there was no "team". There was you, the people who were ****ed at you for violating your own rules (allegedly, I was not present so I can't say if you did or not), and other noobs like me who were just getting their own bearings. I had very little protection and very few friends. Maybe I didn't think much about teamwork back in those days because it felt very much like I was flying solo.
Originally by: Aaron
If you ever want anything to happen in Eve you have to work for it, its never going to be handed to you on a plate.
I'm having trouble relating my previous statements to this.. I never wanted a fully functioning 0.0 hub with no reds just handed to me.. But a rational and level headed leader would have been nice. There was more drama in the weeks-month I was down there then my entire year since.
Originally by: Aaron
As I said before you never bothered to find out whats really happening down here, It would have been great if you took the time to analyses the situation a bit deeper.
I've been able to "analyze the situation" without being in UF due to the threadnoughts that you keep posting every few months. Like I said in my first post, it sounds like you're exactly in the same place you were a year ago, what further analyzing is there to be done?
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.21 20:44:00 -
[51]
Is everything you stated difficult for you? You and your alts were ganked over 6 times that I know of in the last 2 days alone.
If you have finally left UF to pursue your endeavor elsewhere, I say good for you. I wish you luck.
If you instead will be trying the same ol' same ol' then the project is doomed to failure. At your current strength and tactics you cannot prevail. Strategically you should quit the field, recoup elsewhere and learn from your mistakes.
If you do get reinforcements (from that nebulous, consistent, officer spawn/shadow beneficiary) and if they are able to overcome Local-Spike, AoV and the multitude of enemies you have amassed then surely that will get the focus of Stain and -A- and other large groups. Can your phantom fleet overcome all of us and those alliances? You've had a year to muster your forces, can they?
If you think they can, I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield.
------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.21 21:04:00 -
[52]
Well just now outside of UF a combined force consisting of Dalv, Cata Slate, Candy1982 and Boing attempted to get Aaron and the result was the destruction of Dalv's ship. It seems the battlefield is wherever your griefing takes you...
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus Is everything you stated difficult for you? You and your alts were ganked over 6 times that I know of in the last 2 days alone.
If you have finally left UF to pursue your endeavor elsewhere, I say good for you. I wish you luck.
If you instead will be trying the same ol' same ol' then the project is doomed to failure. At your current strength and tactics you cannot prevail. Strategically you should quit the field, recoup elsewhere and learn from your mistakes.
If you do get reinforcements (from that nebulous, consistent, officer spawn/shadow beneficiary) and if they are able to overcome Local-Spike, AoV and the multitude of enemies you have amassed then surely that will get the focus of Stain and -A- and other large groups. Can your phantom fleet overcome all of us and those alliances? You've had a year to muster your forces, can they?
If you think they can, I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.21 21:29:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Ronnieb Edited by: Ronnieb on 21/07/2010 20:52:30 Edited by: Ronnieb on 21/07/2010 20:52:07
Originally by: Aaron
FYI, its about getting more people into NPC 0.0 not about joining a corp or alliance.
Your thread is simply marked "invitation to 0.0." In your original venture you encouraged everyone of all skill levels to come to your system so they could experience 0.0 for themselves. I'm not saying that joining a corp is the only way to be in 0.0, I'm simply stating that for a new, low SP character, or someone with no experience in 0.0, joining a corp is often the path of least resistance.
Originally by: Aaron
This venture can be very exciting and it pushes the boundries of eve helping people work together and achieve something great.
What, you mean like in a corp?
Originally by: Aaron
You were part of the original crew that came down here, and I have some constructive critisisms about you. I'd say that you didnt know much about teamwork and thought mainly of yourself and not of the team as a whole. You didnt open your mind. It was difficult to get you to fleet up and listen to the fleet commander. Generally you had a very cynical view of the venture and didnt want to risk a single isk attempting to make the place safer for all.
This I can agree with. You see, I was several months old when I was invited by you, and had little knowledge of 0.0. You taught me a lot of things I still hold true today, and I thank you for that.
However, how can you not expect someone to mainly think of themselves when no higher organization is present? When I was there Aaron, there was no "team". There was you, the people who were ****ed at you for violating your own rules (allegedly, I was not present so I can't say if you did or not), and other noobs like me who were just getting their own bearings. I had very little protection and very few friends. Maybe I didn't think much about teamwork back in those days because it felt very much like I was flying solo.
Originally by: Aaron
If you ever want anything to happen in Eve you have to work for it, its never going to be handed to you on a plate.
I'm having trouble relating my previous statements to this.. I never wanted a fully functioning 0.0 hub with no reds just handed to me.. But a rational and level headed leader would have been nice. There was more drama in the weeks-month I was down there then my entire year since.
Originally by: Aaron
As I said before you never bothered to find out whats really happening down here, It would have been great if you took the time to analyses the situation a bit deeper.
I've been able to "analyze the situation" without being in UF due to the threadnoughts that you keep posting every few months. Like I said in my first post, it sounds like you're exactly in the same place you were a year ago, what further analyzing is there to be done?
EDIT: I believe this has been brought up in one of your threads before, but it keeps fitting you oh so well..
Originally by: Albert Einstein
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Well one of the things ive learned from all of this is that listening to people is very important.
With regard to all the enemies you seem to think I upset, the truths have been distorted and you only know about people being upset with me via second-hand information. Do you really believe EVERYTHING you hear?
The fact is people are people, sometimes we fall out, argue, and fight. You talk as if im the only person in the history of mankind thats ever had an argument. Im sure thousands of eve players have arguments with others on a daily basis.
Im happy to take some responsibility for the problems in my previous atempt, but not all of it. I am an adult and I dont antagonise people. my enemies could have easily moved somwhere else but they chose to stay and antagonise me.
Im glad I was able to assist you on showing you some stuff, perhaps I was a bit wrong when judging you.
With carful planning and well thought out tactics this can be a success, we have to get past certain things linkup in a channel and reason out how this is going to be done before we put anything into practice. This venture will belong to the community as much as it belongs to me.
For you to say im doing the same thing as last time is completly incorrect, I havenet put anything into practice and im simply here talking about it and looking for input from the community before anything gets started.
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Barakkus
Hyasyoda Investments
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Posted - 2010.07.21 21:31:00 -
[54]
\o/ another smacktalk threadnaught.
I quite enjoyed reading the last one that just kept going, and going, and going, and going, and going...
I like the idea though, good luck, maybe see you out there sometime (not to shoot at you). |
Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.21 21:37:00 -
[55]
if you wanna be on the winning side convo ME :) |
Kephael
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.21 22:32:00 -
[56]
NPC 0.0 is a waste of time, go some place where you can install upgrades. I hear Atlas has some systems available for rent in scalding pass.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.21 22:33:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo if you wanna be on the winning side convo ME :)
^ This.
To be honest, Aaron, you have an idea and want to see it through regardless of the barriers...but you don't understand when those barriers are too much. Sure, populate an area...it'll become shooting grounds for those that live in the area (Stain Empire, -A-, etc etc etc for UF-). Understand one thing: just because people are NBSI doesn't mean they won't work together. Maybe if you haven't been so bent on getting people to follow your path you'd have other options (like working out diplomacy with your neighbors).
You have your goal but are on the wrong road. I feel that you've made your choice, though...so...see you on the battlefield.
(Yes, feel free to mention that I lost 2 ships to you in an hour. I was bored. ) I forgot to mention that you are in fact reading something that is called a signature. |
Lex Alandar
Q Division 5
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Posted - 2010.07.21 22:40:00 -
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I find it hard to believe you, Aaron.
You say people should just 'ignore' certain corps and alliances, and what they have to say about you.
Yet you then go on to say they have nothing to do with the initiative, then contradict yourself by saying they have nothing positive to contribute (implying they are in some way connected).
If there is a negative aspect of this initiative (and we all know there is, forum-fu masters) should not the people be informed of it. Instead you suggest they ignore a potential problem.
Let me ask you, are these alliances red to your initiative?
Would you suggest people joining you 'ignore' the reds jumping into local?
Your persistence would be admirable, were it existent.
All I see is stupidity, or else the very definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Your utopia failed so catastrophically that it raged a threadnaught for months, and left you with permanent enemies. So then, now must be a great time to pick up right where you left off...a month or two ago.
Get a clue, sell the freakin character, or biomass, or lay low. Whatever you do, please do not submit relatively helpless newer players to your naive utopian view. Or they will 'ignore' themselves right back to empire, with a smaller wallet, and a newfound devotion to never leave hi-sec ever again.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.21 22:54:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Aaron on 21/07/2010 22:59:10 The thought of normal hi-sec people never ever venturing into 0.0 in massive numbers is discouraging.
is this all there is? cant normal folk come out to low sec and dwell without having to pay ridiculous amounts of money in rent.
Like me or hate me, I know im onto somthing here. "e-a public" is open for disscussions. We have to rise up and do somthing about this NBSI problem. Its the only way.
Please take a moment to review the map and see how many people there are in stain, ull be suprised, theres not many people atall, how can these small groups of 10-15 pilots dotted around stain scare thousands of people in hi sec into never comming out here, sounds quite ridiculous to me.
People like my enemies will have you believe there are 2000 pilot nbsi gangs ready to camp you for eternity. This is far from the reality, and im quite dissapointed that almost all the people in hisec have brought it.
WAKE UP HI-SEC DUDES YOU ARE MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU THINK!!.
Originally by: Lex Alandar
You say people should just 'ignore' certain corps and alliances, and what they have to say about you.
What I meant was ignore them on this thread, and ignore the hundreds of emails they will send to you asking you to defect.
Oh and Ive got no idea what you mean when u say im doing the same thing over again, at the moment all im doing here is talking nothing else.
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Kephael
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.21 22:57:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Kephael on 21/07/2010 22:59:23
Originally by: Aaron The thought of normal hi-sec people never ever venturing into 0.0 in massive numbers is discouraging.
is this all there is? cant normal folk come out to low sec and dwell without having to pay ridiculous amounts of money in rent.
Like me or hate me, I know im onto somthing here. "e-a public" is open for disscussions. We have to rise up and do somthing about this NBSI problem. Its the only way.
Please take a moment to review the map and see how many people there are in stain, ull be suprised, theres not many people atall, how can these small groups of 10-15 pilots dotted around stain scare thousands of people in hi sec into never comming out here, sounds quite ridiculous to me.
People like my enemies will have you believe there are 2000 pilot nbsi gangs ready to camp you for eternity. This is far from the reality, and im quite dissapointed that almost all the people in hisec have brought it.
WAKE UP HI-SEC DUDES YOU ARE MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU THINK!!.
Rent is cheap when you can make 70m/hr chain running sanctums with two accounts. Enjoy belt ratting for 15m/hr as plexing in hostile space constantly is a great way to die. You're better off just running L4 missions in high sec.
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Arvald
Caldari The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2010.07.21 23:02:00 -
[61]
aaron answer cats email so she will stop crying to me like a little emo pansy
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.21 23:13:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Arvald aaron answer cats email so she will stop crying to me like a little emo pansy
Ah thanks mate, typing out a response now
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.22 03:46:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Aaron on 22/07/2010 03:47:24 A couple of guys have joined the channel "e-a public" and we have begun talks.
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Danika Drake
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Posted - 2010.07.22 05:01:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Aaron The thought of normal hi-sec people never ever venturing into 0.0 in massive numbers is discouraging.
Because they realize they can make more isk without sacrificing their independance in empire?
If you don't have sov space, don't have a cap blob, and don't have the protection of an alliance with access to the former then it's just a waiting game. You may rake in some profit in the short term, but in the end you're taking a huge risk for little long-term reward. I still do busniess in npc nullsec from time to time, but i'd never go back to it on a more permanent basis.
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R'onen
Minmatar 42nd Airborn
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Posted - 2010.07.22 05:08:00 -
[65]
I'd love to join you.
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w1ndstrike
Honored By Death Galactic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.22 07:15:00 -
[66]
if you are crazy enough to go out to stain to live with this guy, do enjoy all the safing/docking/etc as all the locals come and try to kill you (including the ones that try to kill each other daily)
for your edification, that would currently consist of, but not limited to: sys-k, xGSx, C0ven, Stain Empire, Stainless, LR, R-L, and innumerable small corps and players that live in stain. also the bi-weekly 100-man .-A-. roams
I hope you like spinning ships and cloaking.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.22 07:59:00 -
[67]
Dalv and AOV can make it difficult at times, but we can work around them, Local Spike send the odd one or two but spend most of their time spinning in stations due to AAA when I am on though. The same can be said of Deadline who joined AOV etal because they could not keep out of it, too weak. Sys-K are no longer a threat, never see them now, nor do I see Coven much and before when I did they were spending their time in their POS's in o5y. Stain Empire is always a threat but with Sov space and better still Dalv getting on their nerves with his roams into 4GQ they tend to go for him as first choice.
I have never seen a 100 man AAA roam in UF, but seen one of 18 once since I have been here, 4 months now, we get the odd roams by IT and Red Overlord to name a couple recently, but as long as you are smart no issue, many of them have the attention span of a gnat.
I helped one new player and he has now made 300m ISK ratting and has so far lost one drake, we supplied the skillbooks and initial ship and he rats an awful lot.
So quite frankly your talking complete pap...
Originally by: w1ndstrike if you are crazy enough to go out to stain to live with this guy, do enjoy all the safing/docking/etc as all the locals come and try to kill you (including the ones that try to kill each other daily)
for your edification, that would currently consist of, but not limited to: sys-k, xGSx, C0ven, Stain Empire, Stainless, LR, R-L, and innumerable small corps and players that live in stain. also the bi-weekly 100-man .-A-. roams
I hope you like spinning ships and cloaking.
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oniplE
MeMento.
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Posted - 2010.07.22 08:33:00 -
[68]
How does this idea differ from a "regular" NRDS alliance? Dont get me wrong, i think the idea is noble but by positioning it as some kind of mission you attract a whole lot of attention you dont want. Why not simply recruit more people into your corp/alliance and build from there? x |
Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.22 09:08:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Dracvlad on 22/07/2010 09:10:23 Fair comment about the corp development, I think Aaron is passionate to get people to go into 0.0 from High sec and NPC 0.0 is a stepping stone for people, it was for me, everyone in High Sec told me how difficult 0.0 was, in fact its not that bad. He also feels that just shooting people as they pass through is counter-productive to that and he does not want to control them apart from asking them to respect NRDS.
One thing however please define "regular" NRDS alliance, some people apply NRDS without compromise others switch from NRDS to NBSI based on circumstance.
Originally by: oniplE How does this idea differ from a "regular" NRDS alliance? Dont get me wrong, i think the idea is noble but by positioning it as some kind of mission you attract a whole lot of attention you dont want. Why not simply recruit more people into your corp/alliance and build from there?
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Cutremur
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Posted - 2010.07.22 11:08:00 -
[70]
Just a short post to confirm that I will do my best to kill Aaron and everyone that decides to join him.
And do dot believe his NRDS fantasies, every single entity that lives in Stain, small or big, is red and hostile towards Aaron. That should tell you something about his leadership skills. Make sure you also check his battleclinic record for his "amazing" pvp skills.
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.22 11:22:00 -
[71]
Aaron's project isn't about NRDS, mkay?
He is still trying to get over his initial failure - his fallout with the original guys. It was a gate camp. Disagreement over who to shoot. He is still crying about that day long ago.
Think about it, he sets EVERYBODY red, so NRDS won't really apply to anybody who joins him. He will just get to let a few people pass through the system like he was trying to do on that first gate camp which blew up and all of his friends left him.
dude - get over the past!
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.22 11:44:00 -
[72]
The issue at that point was that Aaron did not at the start insist that those coming to UF follow NRDS. And in terms of being upset about it, it turned a friend into a bitter enemy, your CEO in fact... Aaron asked them to be NRDS they refused and broke away. The first person to fall out with Aaron Demolisher was helping us fight AOV, does that sort of give you any clues?
In terms of getting over the past, we recently tried to get blue status with Local Spike and you guys refused, so who is living in the past, you..., your CEO and others just wanted to continue getting Aaron. So its you who should be getting over the past.
Originally by: Erick Odin Aaron's project isn't about NRDS, mkay?
He is still trying to get over his initial failure - his fallout with the original guys. It was a gate camp. Disagreement over who to shoot. He is still crying about that day long ago.
Think about it, he sets EVERYBODY red, so NRDS won't really apply to anybody who joins him. He will just get to let a few people pass through the system like he was trying to do on that first gate camp which blew up and all of his friends left him.
dude - get over the past!
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.22 11:51:00 -
[73]
I think that says more about being part of the herd, Deadline were initially blue to us, but they then joined you so as not to be red to you, that has nothing to do with Aaron and everything to do with being cattle and fear...
As for Aaron's PvP record, it comes of being outnumbered many times over and having to work for every bit of advantage, and fitghting people like Dalv, who while being a fairly nasty piece of work is a very good PvP'r and is lucky to boot. Compared to him your best is not good enough...
Originally by: Cutremur Just a short post to confirm that I will do my best to kill Aaron and everyone that decides to join him.
And do dot believe his NRDS fantasies, every single entity that lives in Stain, small or big, is red and hostile towards Aaron. That should tell you something about his leadership skills. Make sure you also check his battleclinic record for his "amazing" pvp skills.
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Cutremur
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Posted - 2010.07.22 12:00:00 -
[74]
Aaron always fights outnumbered? He engaged me twice with both of his accounts yesterday and lost both times.
And indeed, Dalv is a great pvp-er. And he is on our side.
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Pfeng Tchuy
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Posted - 2010.07.22 12:02:00 -
[75]
Why all that hate??? |
oniplE
MeMento.
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Posted - 2010.07.22 12:54:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Dracvlad Edited by: Dracvlad on 22/07/2010 09:10:23 Fair comment about the corp development, I think Aaron is passionate to get people to go into 0.0 from High sec and NPC 0.0 is a stepping stone for people, it was for me, everyone in High Sec told me how difficult 0.0 was, in fact its not that bad. He also feels that just shooting people as they pass through is counter-productive to that and he does not want to control them apart from asking them to respect NRDS.
One thing however please define "regular" NRDS alliance, some people apply NRDS without compromise others switch from NRDS to NBSI based on circumstance.
A "regular" NRDS alliance is simply an alliance that applies a NRDS policy. Whether they apply it consistently is a different question. I can understand he's passionate about bringing people to 0.0, but why would they join him when they can simply join an established corp/alliance that does have actual control/influence in a region?
When i read Aaron's post, I perceive it like this: "You are all invited into a hostile region of space in which we have no control nor do we have the military or diplomatic strength to gain control, nor the perspective to gain such strength in the future". Populating 0.0 and applying a NRDS policy is a difficult task even for large and established alliances, trying to do so with a handful of people is simply unrealistic. People know this and they wont sign up. x |
Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.22 13:44:00 -
[77]
noniplE, well that is your perception, my reality was that I was a carebear miner and industrial pilot who wanted to try 0.0. I knew some people who were in 0.0 corps and they had to do gate camps, bring ships fitted to a certain way to fleet ops etc., and they spent all their time doing that.
I was able to set up shop, do my own things and after a bit once I had worked out Aaron decided to join his corp. Since being here I have made 2bn ISK in 4 months, much more than I was making in High Sec.
We don't go off outside the system to impose on others, we don't go hunting reds unless they are too much of a pain and only then if they keep on at us. NRDS is not killing that Ibis flying through the system to get some where else, nor is it killing a neutral in a Crane. And in reality it means that you apply red status to people who are hostile or make hostile moves. So as such I would rather not shoot anything that moves because he might be a threat. Yes you have a slight bit more risk with NRDS and it makes certain activities more problematical, such as mining, but in reality you soon get to work out who is a hot drop merchant and who is passing through.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.22 13:52:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Pfeng Tchuy Why all that hate???
Because they have to be part of a herd and have someone to jointly hate and target...
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.22 14:22:00 -
[79]
Hey Guys o/
The method of how this is going to be done is crucial to our survival. I tell you honestly that all of the hostiles down here would have an extremly difficult time dealing with a group of guys that are organised and 15-20 pilots strong.
propaganda - Noun - Hence, any organization or plan for spreading a particular doctrine or a system of principles.
Propaganda is part of the problem here, because lots of you have never been to NPC 0.0 you're likley to believe anything that people tell you about NPC 0.0.
If we have a look at the "I hate Aaron" coallition we can see that they are ready to destroy me and anyone that allies themselves with me, they want you to believe that they have vast numbers and thousands of pilots. This is greatly exeggerated.
In reality they have about 8-12 pilots in GMT and roughly the same in the US timezone. These are the only set of guys that are happy to spend there entire day camping me and aggroing me.
The rest of the hostiles, Stain Empire, AAA, IT, Brick Squad, come into the system for a fight, they see that we dont always want to fight and 10 minutes later they are gone.
I ask you again, please look at the map in stain and show me where the 2000 man hostile fleet who is ready to camp us for eternity. Dont believe the hype people.
On to other news, Ive had talks with Cat o ninetails and it appears she is very enthusiastic about this endeavor, and very eagar to join us. When we start this venture it going to be alot of fun with the likes of Cat involved.
Lets all try and work together and make somthing of this.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.07.22 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Cat o''Ninetails on 22/07/2010 14:32:15 hi guys cat here
i been speaking to aaron and i think there is many defence opportunities out there in that 0.0 lol
so for me this is a good opportunity to expand the defence league and as you may know it is my dream to one day make sure the whole of eve is safe from pirates and not just rancer (tho thats where my heart will always be i think)
anyways woot \o/
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.22 15:13:00 -
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Aaron, listen up. Quit trying to change the conversation into "It can be done." Nobody worth listening too disputes that point.
What we are discussing:
-You can't do it because you suck as a leader. -You will drive most who come down back to Empire, probably because you shot them. -Dalv will shoot whoever is left over and over again. -You shouldn't ask people to come to UF-KKH to fight your battles for you under the guise of "NRDS"
Let's stay on topic please!
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.22 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Edited by: Cat o''Ninetails on 22/07/2010 14:32:15 hi guys cat here
i been speaking to aaron and i think there is many defence opportunities out there in that 0.0 lol
so for me this is a good opportunity to expand the defence league and as you may know it is my dream to one day make sure the whole of eve is safe from pirates and not just rancer (tho thats where my heart will always be i think)
anyways woot \o/
xx
Im very excited atm :)
I'd like this venture to be fun, Cat is a person that will make this venture into a huge pile of fun, and frankly I cant wait to begin.
Weve had some great suggestions from the people who have joined the "e-a public" channel and im looking forward to putting some of these ideas into practice.
Were still talking about the NRDS policy and are looking for ways to adapt it to make it safer for us.
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ISEEUYOU
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Posted - 2010.07.22 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
Im very excited atm :)
I'd like this venture to be fun, Cat is a person that will make this venture into a huge pile of fun, and frankly I cant wait to begin.
I'm sorry Aaron, but this will likely put off a lot of people. If you had frequented the forums a bit more besides your own posts, you would know that Cat is for the moment the most famous troll on the forum(garmon beeing dead and buried by ccp afik). She MIGHT actually help you out there... but it will be because this whole thing is a joke, and CAT is all about jokes. She might also steal all corp assets she can get her hands on, but I think 'helping' you on your crusade for righteousness might be considered more lol.
In summary you are beeing made an even greater fool. Please search for Cat's previous posts (though she has made a couple serious ones as well though), or just search for the word 'lol'.
To people interested in joining: As another person already stated, what seperates this venture from other allainces/corps in 0.0 , is that you have no chance of succes. The NRDS has already failed, as you have managed to get all the locals red to you. Your continued infamy on the forums will also assure that pirates and greifers will go out of their way just to get a killmail of you or your poor followers.
And no, I don't know Aaron in game, nor do I know any of the ones who have tried to join him or his enemies. My opinions comes solely from the posts made by Aaron and others in his previous failnoughts. Add a pinch of logic and it's pretty obvious this will go into the annals of eve as one of the greatest and most die-hard fails... OF ALL TIME.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Pompous on 22/07/2010 17:06:10
Originally by: Dracvlad Since being here I have made 2bn ISK in 4 months, much more than I was making in High Sec.
That fact that you are apparently **** at making money in this game is hardly a ringing endorsement of this failcascade of Aaron's.
e: Aaron, you realise that Cat is, in her own mystical and enigmatic way, making a mockery of you and your venture? ---
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: ISEEUYOU
Originally by: Aaron
Im very excited atm :)
I'd like this venture to be fun, Cat is a person that will make this venture into a huge pile of fun, and frankly I cant wait to begin.
I'm sorry Aaron, but this will likely put off a lot of people. If you had frequented the forums a bit more besides your own posts, you would know that Cat is for the moment the most famous troll on the forum(garmon beeing dead and buried by ccp afik). She MIGHT actually help you out there... but it will be because this whole thing is a joke, and CAT is all about jokes. She might also steal all corp assets she can get her hands on, but I think 'helping' you on your crusade for righteousness might be considered more lol.
In summary you are beeing made an even greater fool. Please search for Cat's previous posts (though she has made a couple serious ones as well though), or just search for the word 'lol'.
To people interested in joining: As another person already stated, what seperates this venture from other allainces/corps in 0.0 , is that you have no chance of succes. The NRDS has already failed, as you have managed to get all the locals red to you. Your continued infamy on the forums will also assure that pirates and greifers will go out of their way just to get a killmail of you or your poor followers.
And no, I don't know Aaron in game, nor do I know any of the ones who have tried to join him or his enemies. My opinions comes solely from the posts made by Aaron and others in his previous failnoughts. Add a pinch of logic and it's pretty obvious this will go into the annals of eve as one of the greatest and most die-hard fails... OF ALL TIME.
Hey buddy hows it goin? o/
I can respect your opinion.
All we can do is try right? for the moment im happy to talk to people and plan this as best as we possibly can. As ive mentioned before this is all about fun, not bitterness and vendetta.
With regards to Cat, im happy to give it a go and see what occurs, based on the chats weve had so far i cant see any problems. If there are people looking to fight Cat I will most likley set them red and assist Cat.
Life is to short to be serious all the time :)
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ISEEUYOU
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: ISEEUYOU on 22/07/2010 17:23:38
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 22/07/2010 17:08:47
Originally by: ISEEUYOU
Originally by: Aaron
Im very excited atm :)
I'd like this venture to be fun, Cat is a person that will make this venture into a huge pile of fun, and frankly I cant wait to begin.
I'm sorry Aaron, but this will likely put off a lot of people. If you had frequented the forums a bit more besides your own posts, you would know that Cat is for the moment the most famous troll on the forum(garmon beeing dead and buried by ccp afik). She MIGHT actually help you out there... but it will be because this whole thing is a joke, and CAT is all about jokes. She might also steal all corp assets she can get her hands on, but I think 'helping' you on your crusade for righteousness might be considered more lol.
In summary you are beeing made an even greater fool. Please search for Cat's previous posts (though she has made a couple serious ones as well though), or just search for the word 'lol'.
To people interested in joining: As another person already stated, what seperates this venture from other allainces/corps in 0.0 , is that you have no chance of succes. The NRDS has already failed, as you have managed to get all the locals red to you. Your continued infamy on the forums will also assure that pirates and greifers will go out of their way just to get a killmail of you or your poor followers.
And no, I don't know Aaron in game, nor do I know any of the ones who have tried to join him or his enemies. My opinions comes solely from the posts made by Aaron and others in his previous failnoughts. Add a pinch of logic and it's pretty obvious this will go into the annals of eve as one of the greatest and most die-hard fails... OF ALL TIME.
Hey buddy hows it goin? o/
I can respect your opinion.
All we can do is try right? for the moment im happy to talk to people and plan this as best as we possibly can. As ive mentioned before this is all about fun, not bitterness and vendetta.
With regards to Cat, im happy to give it a go and see what occurs, based on the chats weve had so far i cant see any problems. If there are people looking to fight Cat I will most likley set them red and assist Cat.
Life is too short to be serious all the time :)
Ok, I have to admit you seem to have grown a bit Aaron, congratulations on that. If you're only into this for the fun, you can still win. Because even as this whole venture will fail, doesn't mean people can't have fun while it happens. Just don't take it too seriously. And if you're after fun I'm sure Cat can assist you. Helping you killing some of your enemies and humiliating them would bring some funny tears. Just don't get your own or others hopes up about this ever becoming some prosperous NRDS-hub.
ed: also consider this a callout to Cat to actually go out there and help in what way she can imagine
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:26:00 -
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That was just from ratting with the odd officer and True Sanshas spawns, I am very aware of the other ways of making money and the amounts that others can make, in complexes and of course in WH combat sites, level 4's and level 5's, but from ratting while being hunted by the reds here its not bad and kinda fun.
Its all relative...
Originally by: Captain Pompous Edited by: Captain Pompous on 22/07/2010 17:06:10
Originally by: Dracvlad Since being here I have made 2bn ISK in 4 months, much more than I was making in High Sec.
That fact that you are apparently **** at making money in this game is hardly a ringing endorsement of this failcascade of Aaron's.
e: Aaron, you realise that Cat is, in her own mystical and enigmatic way, making a mockery of you and your venture?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:26:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Captain Pompous
e: Aaron, you realise that Cat is, in her own mystical and enigmatic way, making a mockery of you and your venture?
As long as she does it in a humourous way im good *winks :)
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:48:00 -
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Yawn...
Originally by: Erick Odin Aaron, listen up. Quit trying to change the conversation into "It can be done." Nobody worth listening too disputes that point.
What we are discussing:
-You can't do it because you suck as a leader. -You will drive most who come down back to Empire, probably because you shot them. -Dalv will shoot whoever is left over and over again. -You shouldn't ask people to come to UF-KKH to fight your battles for you under the guise of "NRDS"
Let's stay on topic please!
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ISEEUYOU
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:50:00 -
[90]
Edited by: ISEEUYOU on 22/07/2010 17:51:18
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Captain Pompous
e: Aaron, you realise that Cat is, in her own mystical and enigmatic way, making a mockery of you and your venture?
As long as she does it in a humourous way im good *winks :)
Hmmm.... I'm starting to get the feeling Aaron might be the biggest troller after all.... What if this whole deal was just a huge troll It would be a bigger troll then the 'recovery work' that ebank is undergoing. This might be too little to call troll on such a large venture, but if it is, let me be the first to congratulate you Aaron, cause I got trolled big time.
ed:spelling
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PHoneix NOir
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:53:00 -
[91]
Match.com ->
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.07.22 18:59:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo if you wanna be on the winning side convo ME :)
Neither side is winning. The only way to win here is to stay out of this.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.07.22 19:23:00 -
[93]
well i have arrived at my destination and the journey was fraught with many perils and dangers but am looking forwards to much defending lol \o/
xx
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.07.22 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuros Chiming in with my two cents:
NRDS is a useless policy in 0.0. You cannot assume that anyone in nullsec will leave you alone as long as they leave you alone. Having an NRDS policy, especially one as public as this, makes you permanently the hunted.
You clearly do not understand the concept of NRDS .
Otherwise, good luck Aaron. You will need at least a little. The last attempt must have been an excellent learnign experiance, so that is definately a plus for this venture.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.07.23 09:24:00 -
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unfortunately i was not able to spend many time at my new 0.0 home once i arrived yesterday as i was far too busy being delicious lol but here is a little tale about my perillous journey
i had logged in after the kind gm allowed me to log in so that i could renew my pilots licence, and was brought to the e-a chat room by aaron. there was much jubilation. on finding out my destination was 47 jumps or so from rancer i engaged in some sood old fashioned raging. i think the last 30 jumps or so was 0.0 space so i was pretty frightened at this point because as you may know, there are lots of people who will shoot you for no good reason in 0.0
about that whole shooty shooty thing for no reason well i was just busy minding my own business in the solar system of E02-IK and i thought that i would just nip in to change my clone location from rancer to that e02 so as not to lose the progress i had already made. well this is where the problem began
i was going to continue my journey but there were some rather unsavory types outside station who were enjoying destroying my capsule over and over again. after about five times of this i decided to go to play with a ball of yarn instead, i was hoping to have a nap but the residents were not that kind and continued to try shooting me. i am sneaky though and managed to escape and continue my dangerous mission with just a few dings in my trusty defencemobile
i settled in for some more clicking of my ships computer and then waiting for stuff to happen. click. wait. click. wait. this made me a little sleepy and i dont think my concentration was at its peak but that could also be the catnip lol
i barely noticed that on one gate i jumped through there was much enemies and my hope that they were targeting me to do repairs was swiftly quashed but like i say i am sneaky and their application of warp disruption technology was prolly regrettable for them
the rest of the trip was pretty uneventful but i made sure to change where i would respawn if my egg was destroyed again
so here i am. i knew i should have trained for a cloak lol
xx
ps hai to everyone who waved at me and said hi while is was passing through locals :D
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.23 09:48:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Aaron on 23/07/2010 09:48:39
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails unfortunately i was not able to spend many time at my new 0.0 home once i arrived yesterday as i was far too busy being delicious lol but here is a little tale about my perillous journey
i had logged in after the kind gm allowed me to log in so that i could renew my pilots licence, and was brought to the e-a chat room by aaron. there was much jubilation. on finding out my destination was 47 jumps or so from rancer i engaged in some sood old fashioned raging. i think the last 30 jumps or so was 0.0 space so i was pretty frightened at this point because as you may know, there are lots of people who will shoot you for no good reason in 0.0
about that whole shooty shooty thing for no reason well i was just busy minding my own business in the solar system of E02-IK and i thought that i would just nip in to change my clone location from rancer to that e02 so as not to lose the progress i had already made. well this is where the problem began
i was going to continue my journey but there were some rather unsavory types outside station who were enjoying destroying my capsule over and over again. after about five times of this i decided to go to play with a ball of yarn instead, i was hoping to have a nap but the residents were not that kind and continued to try shooting me. i am sneaky though and managed to escape and continue my dangerous mission with just a few dings in my trusty defencemobile
i settled in for some more clicking of my ships computer and then waiting for stuff to happen. click. wait. click. wait. this made me a little sleepy and i dont think my concentration was at its peak but that could also be the catnip lol
i barely noticed that on one gate i jumped through there was much enemies and my hope that they were targeting me to do repairs was swiftly quashed but like i say i am sneaky and their application of warp disruption technology was prolly regrettable for them
the rest of the trip was pretty uneventful but i made sure to change where i would respawn if my egg was destroyed again
so here i am. i knew i should have trained for a cloak lol
xx
ps hai to everyone who waved at me and said hi while is was passing through locals :D
lol :)
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.23 09:54:00 -
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6 times, wow..., they were no Gentlemen that is for certain..., methinks their name is all wrong, more like Cads Club!!!!
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BrutalButUnfair
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Posted - 2010.07.23 14:13:00 -
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Guys give Aaron a break. I still think he has got some good idea's.
- Initially you are neut so he won't shoot you. And even welcome you. - If you shoot him then youre set red. (and even then he will talk to you and try to convince you to join him. It's you're call)
This is in essence NRDS.
Just let people try it and figure it out for them selfs. If they don't like they wil leave else they stay. No point in flaming Aaron for this or telling people to stay away.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.23 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 23/07/2010 14:33:54 Ok, Ive had a few good convo's with one of the guys thats helping us plan, also present was dracvlad.
Were considering scraping our NRDS stance and have come up with a new policy and weve named it NTDS (No Threat Dont Shoot) we felt this might be a good policy to have as once we have determined a neut is a threat we can go ahead and shoot.
There are still a few concerns namley that we will have to go out of our way to find out if the neuts are hostile.
One good thing about this NTDS policy is that neutral roaming gangs will have a hard time getting past us, if weve placed lookout alts a few jumps out from our location we will see a scout followed by the roaming fleet, at this point we can saddle up ready to engage them.
Neutral solo hostile cyno pilots maybe a bit more tricky to deal with, perhaps we need to watch their movements while they are in our system or pin them down and scan them with frigates and ensure they know this is what were going to do.
Id be greatful if anyone else with any suggestions on this new NTDS policy could come into "e-a public" channel and have a chat.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.23 16:04:00 -
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If you look at Stain it is behind AAA space, it is not next to High Sec or Low Sec, so its not that easy to just roam in here without being met by something nasty before you get here, try pasing through HED... You have the normal people in the area set red or blue, then you have passing traffic which is a lot less then people think.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.23 23:35:00 -
[101]
We're going to have to accept the game is changing and a few things have just occured to me.
i have alot of respect for CCP and I have opened my eyes and can see what theyve done.
SOV space is a mechanic that CCP has introduced and I believe their main intention was to get all the poeple who are hardcore NBSI and controlled all of 0.0 into SOV space. Im of the opinion that if you have vast numbers and you're working SOV space systems then you have a licence to print isk.
The intoduction of the SOV mechanic has also left NPC 0.0 space almost completly bare. this is a fact everyone must accept. We also have to accept that these super alliances simply wont have the time to devote all their resource into camping us in a determined attack.
Sign me up to help usher in this new era of eve.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.24 00:23:00 -
[102]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 24/07/2010 00:23:54 Aaron, i draw this for you. Love, Bjornar<3
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Danika Drake
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Posted - 2010.07.24 00:46:00 -
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What's to usher in? If you're very successful and get enough players out then you take your own sov space and enter into the next logical step to "print isk," as you put it.
Unless you're out to defy the present order and just remain an NPC-space organization, in which case you've already become aware of just how problematic that is and why it's not feasible (long-term) in the same way sov. is (and was intended to be).
I give you kudoz for the effort, but you seem intelligent enough to know that it won't take much effort to shut you down and you are certainly going to have people queue'd up around the block to do it given how bored most NAP'd up alliances are these days.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.24 02:33:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Aaron on 24/07/2010 02:34:48
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 24/07/2010 00:33:51 Aaron, i draw this for you. Love, Bjornar.
HAHAHA, nice one man, that made me lol actually.
Have a butchers at my most recent kill im sure you will lol also. Its quite interesting, opens up lots of posibilities.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.24 10:59:00 -
[105]
Haven't seen much of Deadline recently in your feeble attempts to stop us from ratting, you may have to remove them from your graph at some point which will really impact your member count, but you will find that out in due course...
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 24/07/2010 02:34:48
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 24/07/2010 00:33:51 Aaron, i draw this for you. Love, Bjornar.
HAHAHA, nice one man, that made me lol actually.
Have a butchers at my most recent kill im sure you will lol also. Its quite interesting, opens up lots of posibilities.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.24 23:00:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Aaron
The intoduction of the SOV mechanic has also left NPC 0.0 space almost completly bare. this is a fact everyone must accept. We also have to accept that these super alliances simply wont have the time to devote all their resource into camping us in a determined attack.
If our coalition of independent corps and pilots can take over a secluded group of systems and spread ourselves out it would be quite a task to attack. yes there will be small casualties, however because im hoping to attract around 400 to 500 pilots we may have to contribute to our own insurance to get a free ratting battlecruiser.
Theres a couple of guys taking about doing carrier and jump frieghter runs into the area. so in theory there we could have a small piece of hi sec in NPC 0.0.
With regard to isk loss, i cant see it being that bad, if you've had the unlucky experience of being targeted out of hundreds of people then youll have to HTFU, saddle up and get on with it. thats the way it goes sometimes. So think about it guys, with vast numbers we can overcome this and spread the loss.
I've also been thinking about the role of people that come here. I'd like to make clear that ive got no problem with people who come here just to consume and not get involved in the management of it. of course it would be great if you could help defend against roams but its not a requirement.
I think it could get to the stage where super alliances will accept the high sec precence in NPC 0.0 and start getting involved. Maybe they could sell you wares at great prices so in effect we could just be creating another isk faucet for super alliances.
Get involved in the planning and come in chat channel "e-a public"
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.24 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 24/07/2010 23:25:35 ...because im hoping to attract around 400 to 500 pilots we may have to contribute to o... What? Is this where you mention you are going to take over Stain and make it New-Providence ?
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.07.24 23:36:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia TO: ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS THIS GUY
ME AND ALL MY INTERNET FRIENDS WILL COME AND GRIEF YOU.
WE WILL FIND YOUR STATIONS AND WAIT AT YOUR UNDOCKS AND KILL YOU AND TAKE ALL YOUR INTERNET SPACESHIP LOOT FOR OURSELVES
GOOD LUCK AARON, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I THANK YOU FOR GETTING ALL THE GULLIBLE NAIVE PEOPLE OF EVE AND HERDING THEM TO ONE NICE KILL SPOT FOR ME
I AWAIT YOUR SUCCESS SO THAT I MAY USHER IN YOUR FAILURE
Melodramatic drivel. You sound like a nub...
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Tombstone Frank
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Posted - 2010.07.24 23:44:00 -
[109]
This sort of stuff makes EVE cool. I can't help but be sympathetic towards Aaron and his idealistic crusade. It's like sort of like the hopeless yet noble battle against the forces of evil and choas, like what you would find in a novel or movie, only it's playing out in real time in an MMO. Sounds like fun as long as people don't take it too seriously.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.07.24 23:59:00 -
[110]
A few people have asked me about this, why I'd want to be involved, why I'd want to do this. There's a lot of why. There's no need for why lol
The reason I'm doing this is simple, really. I've always been into non-aggression, defending and the like. Why limit myself to a single solar system? As you may know, it is my dream to one day defend the whole of New Eden lol
Aarons philosophy fits rather well with what I consider my ideological Eve. I hope to help this initiative in the best way I can. I consider this cause to be incredibly noble, and just. I hope that together we can overcome the coming problems, and take a step towards my dream of a safe New Eden for all of us.
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Mess1ah
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Posted - 2010.07.25 00:07:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Tombstone Frank This sort of stuff makes EVE cool. I can't help but be sympathetic towards Aaron and his idealistic crusade. It's like sort of like the hopeless yet noble battle against the forces of evil and choas, like what you would find in a novel or movie, only it's playing out in real time in an MMO. Sounds like fun as long as people don't take it too seriously.
and u r?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.25 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Hey Aaron,
Try to not collect everything and everybody in too small of a place. I have soloed in 0.0 NPC space and let's face it, there are alliances that think they have SOV. They will outnumber and outgun you. So don't try to make it like a corp war, deal with them using asymmetric warfare. For them to even bother to go up against that, they will already have lost before they undocked. Time spent trying to hunt down neutrals is precious time lost ratting to them, which, having already won the place, was the only thing left for them to do. Nothing they hate more than the presence of a non-blue making their macros dock up. Keep the assets and the forces spread out, and they will have to choose between sacrificing all to get back to where they were before, OR simple accepting that they don't own the place and leaving neutrals alone.
This is the very essence of eve online, once you accept the facts in this post you can achieve anything.
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Tombstone Frank
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Posted - 2010.07.25 00:19:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Mess1ah and u r?
Just a friendly neighborhood undead Texas Ranger, ma'am. Pleased to make your acquaintance. |
Typherian
Minmatar Legio Invicta Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.07.25 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Typherian on 25/07/2010 00:25:33 Hmmm. I havn't been up to UF in a while but if another threadnaught is starting I may have to swing by and say hello. Quick message to anyone joining up with Aaron. Be prepared to cloak and dock alot. See you all in space.
PS. Remember though.... you are supposed to be ignoring me..... AARON TOLD YOU TO DO IT. DO EET NAO.
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.07.25 01:00:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Aaron The thought of normal hi-sec people never ever venturing into 0.0 in massive numbers is discouraging.
Well what do you expect? Have you read the forums here? Empire Dwellers (I hate the ****ing name Carebear), are constantly ridiculed, made fun of, told they are a waste of space and that they are ruining the game. All by people in 0.0. People come here to have fun, not to be treated like **** and stepped on just because they live in Empire and are perfectly happy doing so.
Even when I joined FW, I was told I wasn't welcome in fleets because since I was new I was obviously a spy. I understand perfectly you can't make people take you on a fleet, but this is why people dropped out. But I wanted to play FW so I stuck it out. But I saw many people who were in and out of FW in a matter of days because of people treating them like crap. (I quickly discovered FW was crap and left anyway but that is another story)...
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.25 02:16:00 -
[116]
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Aaron The thought of normal hi-sec people never ever venturing into 0.0 in massive numbers is discouraging.
Well what do you expect? Have you read the forums here? Empire Dwellers (I hate the ****ing name Carebear), are constantly ridiculed, made fun of, told they are a waste of space and that they are ruining the game. All by people in 0.0. People come here to have fun, not to be treated like **** and stepped on just because they live in Empire and are perfectly happy doing so.
Ok, i feel that listening to rumours and propaganda can be non productive, It doesnt matter what 0.0 people think of empire dwellers, miners and traders are needed everywhere.
I know you say you are happy in empire, but wouldnt you like to experience a part of 0.0 space filled with hundreds of people from empire?
Also, it looks certain this project will take place away from our current systems.
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.07.25 03:10:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Aaron The thought of normal hi-sec people never ever venturing into 0.0 in massive numbers is discouraging.
Well what do you expect? Have you read the forums here? Empire Dwellers (I hate the ****ing name Carebear), are constantly ridiculed, made fun of, told they are a waste of space and that they are ruining the game. All by people in 0.0. People come here to have fun, not to be treated like **** and stepped on just because they live in Empire and are perfectly happy doing so.
Ok, i feel that listening to rumours and propaganda can be non productive, It doesnt matter what 0.0 people think of empire dwellers, miners and traders are needed everywhere.
I know you say you are happy in empire, but wouldnt you like to experience a part of 0.0 space filled with hundreds of people from empire?
Also, it looks certain this project will take place away from our current systems.
Sorry, a little more explanation. I actually live in 0.0 and I prefer it there. I'm just talking about the forum stuff where the "real EVE players of 0.0" are always making fun of people who like a different type of game. I believe that a certain portion of Empire dwellers don't move to 0.0 because they don't feel welcome...
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Skyla Huron
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:07:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Aaron Ok, i feel that listening to rumours...
Most of the 0.0 info on the forums isn't really discouraging (obvious loltroll posts aside), but a really spiffy mythos about how great it can be "with the right people," and in the general context of joining up with some grand organization to facilitate the process.
Frankly, I've been in lowsec, highsec, sov null, npc null, and the only major diffirence is just how annoying EVE can become based on where you "live." I operate out of empire presently because I can be relatively close to pvp, mission hubs, trade hubs, and still skip out to nullsec when I want to. Living in nullsec (regardless of sov) merely adds another level of inherent trust to the equation. As anyone who has played for more than a month knows, trust in EVE leads to absolutely nothing good in the long term. So, outside of capfleets (which seems to be the big ticket for those interested in living in the "wild" NAPfest of sov. space) there's just no good reason to bother with nullsec. You're 100% more restricted, make marginally more isk for your efforts, and have nothing to spend that extra isk on unless you put in even more effort to create the necessary trade networks yourself. Paying premium nullsec prices just burns off any "risk" profit you made. In the end, anyone who isn't interested in the sov game is just in nullsec temporarily.
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.25 08:43:00 -
[119]
haven't I seen this like.....5 times already? wtf man
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.25 10:47:00 -
[120]
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Sorry, a little more explanation. I actually live in 0.0 and I prefer it there. I'm just talking about the forum stuff where the "real EVE players of 0.0" are always making fun of people who like a different type of game. I believe that a certain portion of Empire dwellers don't move to 0.0 because they don't feel welcome...
Yeah I hear you man, I was on voice once when the first venture finished, Local-spike came in to the channel antagonising, They had a convo with Celes Steele and mocked him because all he did was seek out plexes in 0.0 and nothing else, I thought some members of local spike were silly for doing that because people can play the game however they want.
Yes it can be annoying in 0.0. This is a good reason why we have to stick together with hundreds of other hi-sec dudes. Bottom line is the hostiles will have a very hard time griefing hundreds of people.
I can't be any clearer, Hi-sec dudes are welcome wherever I am as I have no problem with them. NPC 0.0 is almost empty.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 25/07/2010 11:15:00 I dont know what happened in that particular incident, but please do not put words in our mouths. We want people to play the game the way they want to, because if they dont they wont be sticking around...
There are very few corps that deny carebears, and we are not one of them. The only thing we are asking for when it comes to PvP is that people help were they can. Oh and we all get a bit silly from time to time, right Aaron
How come Aaron is allowed to post his recruitment threads in the General forum and we aint. QQ I'll tell mommy!
Cheers
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:23:00 -
[122]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
How come Aaron is allowed to post his recruitment threads in the General forum and we aint. QQ I'll tell mommy!
Cheers
Probably cos its not a recruitment thread. Not everyone wants to join my corp/alliance im totally cool with this.
Have a think about letting go of this now Local-Spike I can already see you cannot be brought back from the darkside, your're far gone.
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:25:00 -
[123]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace How come Aaron is allowed to post his recruitment threads in the General forum and we aint.
Probably cause you are bad. Your avatar looks kind of shiftless and angry...
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:28:00 -
[124]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 25/07/2010 11:28:09 How is this not a recruitment thread, the title is "Invitation to NPC 0.0" for frak sake Oh and answer my last minute edit please: No Threat Dont Shoot, does this mean you will not kill me if i come through in a Badger?
Confirming i am shifty and angry.
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Senghir
Amarr Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:30:00 -
[125]
I support what Aaron is doing. I'll head over when I can, and donate some ISK to the cause when I can't.
I see you get so much unjustified hatred from people who dont even know you, simply because you are confident in what you are saying and what you want to do. There's a problem in today's society where being confident about yourself and being generally up-beat is seen as a bad thing. People instantly latch onto it and begin to try to bring down that person. For some reason it's much more acceptable to be defeatist and to downplay one's qualities. It's actually somewhat amusing to see how much opposition you're getting in this thread, from people who dont know you, dont operate in the space you are talking about and have no other connection with you than this thread. |
Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.25 12:39:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Senghir I support what Aaron is doing. I'll head over when I can, and donate some ISK to the cause when I can't.
I see you get so much unjustified hatred from people who dont even know you, simply because you are confident in what you are saying and what you want to do. There's a problem in today's society where being confident about yourself and being generally up-beat is seen as a bad thing. People instantly latch onto it and begin to try to bring down that person. For some reason it's much more acceptable to be defeatist and to downplay one's qualities. It's actually somewhat amusing to see how much opposition you're getting in this thread, from people who dont know you, dont operate in the space you are talking about and have no other connection with you than this thread.
Actually, a lot of the hatred is from people that have been down to the area, befriended him, then turned when a simple dispute became a full-blown war against our alliances. Remember all those other threads? If not, find and read them. They have the stories behind Aaron's real intentions.
All he wants is people to come down so he can charge 4x the price on everything (2mil for a frigate anyone?) and so he can control them. AoV stood by his ideals when we first moved down there since we also follow NRDS policy, but the way he does it I personally do not agree with. It's difficult to work with a person who basically takes advantage of people who come down to live in the same space.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.25 12:41:00 -
[127]
To be honest if you came through in a Badger and passed through quickly and did not hang around to spy I would let you through. If you went to the station to pick something up and said 0/ I would say go ahead. But if you then did something devious to create a threat having been given that leeway then you would no longer get it.
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 25/07/2010 11:28:09 How is this not a recruitment thread, the title is "Invitation to NPC 0.0" for frak sake Oh and answer my last minute edit please: No Threat Dont Shoot, does this mean you will not kill me if i come through in a Badger?
Confirming i am shifty and angry.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:05:00 -
[128]
That is highly unfair, I realise that Aaron's manner can annoy people which is what this is all about with LogiCFX, "How dare Aaron talk about the missile incident in the Hub Channel..." If your thin skinned and full of yourself then Aaron is going to annoy you, if your mature and seen it all before than you realise that he is actually helpful and generous. In terms of the market the current prices are to take advantage of our enemies... I think Senghir made a very mature comment and I would compare that to U93AJAX anyday...
Originally by: Agent Unknown
Originally by: Senghir I support what Aaron is doing. I'll head over when I can, and donate some ISK to the cause when I can't.
I see you get so much unjustified hatred from people who dont even know you, simply because you are confident in what you are saying and what you want to do. There's a problem in today's society where being confident about yourself and being generally up-beat is seen as a bad thing. People instantly latch onto it and begin to try to bring down that person. For some reason it's much more acceptable to be defeatist and to downplay one's qualities. It's actually somewhat amusing to see how much opposition you're getting in this thread, from people who dont know you, dont operate in the space you are talking about and have no other connection with you than this thread.
Actually, a lot of the hatred is from people that have been down to the area, befriended him, then turned when a simple dispute became a full-blown war against our alliances. Remember all those other threads? If not, find and read them. They have the stories behind Aaron's real intentions.
All he wants is people to come down so he can charge 4x the price on everything (2mil for a frigate anyone?) and so he can control them. AoV stood by his ideals when we first moved down there since we also follow NRDS policy, but the way he does it I personally do not agree with. It's difficult to work with a person who basically takes advantage of people who come down to live in the same space.
Note that I am speaking for myself and my words do not reflect the words of my alliance.
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LeelaGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:37:00 -
[129]
Im unaware of our "get aaron crusade", we are simply going after targets of opportunity.
I would bet my pod that Aaron would kill me on sight no matter what ship i was in. This is in conflict with hiw new invented policy - Not a threat, dont shoot... And i will show him the same gesture, difference is i do not claim to be NotThreatDontShoot.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:51:00 -
[130]
My dislike toward Aaron is not unjustified. There is a MULTITUDE of reasons i can point out but have been brought out in the last threadnought
I was on that convo after you closed your venture the previous time. Myself and my corp did go into your PUBLIC channel and congratulated you on a good run. We even pointed out where we thought you could've done better and offered a few other suggestions to make it work. You got defensive and asked us to leave and we did.
In regards to Celes Steele, We never antagonized him. We're still blue with him to this day, he's a good pilot. When he took over the Hub Project Local-Spike supported it. I personally offered support in terms of defense, logistics and market seeding. That is until you re-assumed control and shot AoV again. So please do not try to make events up to garner support.
ANYONE that was part of the Hub Endeavor, my side, your side, neutrals can attest I have not obscured or bended the truth. There's absolutely no need.
Oh, and Hai Cat 0/. I haven't seen you in my local as of yet, looking forward to it though. Before moving to 0.0 i was a Pirate-Hunter. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.25 16:45:00 -
[131]
It went like this U93AJAX insulted Aaron in local, AOV threatened to make Aaron red when he responded in kind, Aaron took that as being set red there and then and then fired on Indecent Intent, it was not one of Aaron's best moments. When Celes turned up from holiday she found it all in a mess as AOV had attacked two of us when we thought that they were still blue, he resigned. You make it sound like Aaron took command and shot AOV.
To say it as you did makes you look foolish, perhaps you should be honest, you want to get Aaron, you were once very close and you took the side of the other person, Aaron saw that as personal betrayel and went emo again not one of his best moments, the thing is that he has learnt from that error and it cost him big time, recently your corp told me where to go when we tried to come to terms. Man up and tell it how it is, you want to drive Aaron out and you want to be as unreasonable as he was then, thats what its about.
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus My dislike toward Aaron is not unjustified. There is a MULTITUDE of reasons i can point out but have been brought out in the last threadnought
I was on that convo after you closed your venture the previous time. Myself and my corp did go into your PUBLIC channel and congratulated you on a good run. We even pointed out where we thought you could've done better and offered a few other suggestions to make it work. You got defensive and asked us to leave and we did.
In regards to Celes Steele, We never antagonized him. We're still blue with him to this day, he's a good pilot. When he took over the Hub Project Local-Spike supported it. I personally offered support in terms of defense, logistics and market seeding. That is until you re-assumed control and shot AoV again. So please do not try to make events up to garner support.
ANYONE that was part of the Hub Endeavor, my side, your side, neutrals can attest I have not obscured or bended the truth. There's absolutely no need.
Oh, and Hai Cat 0/. I haven't seen you in my local as of yet, looking forward to it though. Before moving to 0.0 i was a Pirate-Hunter.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:14:00 -
[132]
I still feel local-spike, AOV, Dalv should move on and forget the past.
Feel free to contantly type about how Im wrong, Im not going to get in any long winded arguments with the lets get aaron coallition, its pointless going round in circles.
This thread is for the planning of getting a hi-sec community into npc 0.0 and building an economy. Its bigger than just me
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:39:00 -
[133]
Does this look like Coronation Street to you?
If i've learned anything from Aaron's threads, it's that people in 0.0 space are like old maids. If you don't like the guy, fine, but spare us the paragraphs upon paragraphs of gossip.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.25 19:09:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Does this look like Coronation Street to you?
If i've learned anything from Aaron's threads, it's that people in 0.0 space are like old maids. If you don't like the guy, fine, but spare us the paragraphs upon paragraphs of gossip.
that
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U93AJAX
Caldari Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:29:00 -
[135]
No Dracvlad-"It went like this"- Aaron watched U93AJAX jump through a gate then return less than 60 seconds later-Aaron launched a bomb from his bomber on seeing gate-fire-U93AJAX called Aaron an idiot (woooo!!)in local-now you can begin- Quote: It went like this U93AJAX insulted Aaron in local, AOV threatened to make Aaron red when he responded in kind, Aaron took that as being set red there and then and then fired on Indecent Intent, it was not one of Aaron's best moments.
Unless you have the logs to show different(as i recall you were not present) please refrain from dragging my name into your paltry drama.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:34:00 -
[136]
hi guys cat here
i dont very much care for accusations one way or the other tbh lol so what i have decided is that if there are any complaints about this venture then they need to be filed in the appropriate place
we need to keep this coo and the best manner of approaching this is one of love and friendliness
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:39:00 -
[137]
Gabriel, Dalv, Logicfx,
I'll try to keep this as brief as possible.
As ive said to you on many occasions I felt that it was best you and your people stand down and grow beyond a childish dispute. I also advised you I am not a griefer and try to play the game for fun.
Nobody wants to back you on this one, by trying so hard to defeat me you stand in the way of NPC 0.0 population. I wonder exactly what it is you hope to achieve, and what your endgame is.
Im going to ask you one last time. after this there is no going back.
Will you stop the vendetta against me?
You seem to think all I want to do is destroy you and this is not true. Our argument is only one small part of my experience, and youd have to agree the simple fact is ive seen more than you. Ive fought many people with a bitter vendetta against me and each time I do I learn more and more.
The line has clearly been drawn Gabriel and co, its time to decide for sure which side you will stand on.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.26 00:52:00 -
[138]
I had a strange situation earlier. One of my friends is having an issue with the person who lives below them, who plays their music rather loudly at unsociable hours. He reported the issue to his landlord; which leads me to a point.
My friend and I were sitting at a communal table outside, enjoying a beer or two. The fellow who lived below my friend, the culprit, arrived seeming to be in an advanced state of refreshment. He seemed to forget my friends name, and preferred to call him by the name "Grass" for some reason.
We held tight on the picnic table, we had beer to finish! Matey from below had decided to stand watch over us, an obvious act of intimidation. I advised my friend regarding his course of action, and thankfully he took my advice.
We discussed the issue at, for me, some tedious length. I told him, he could rise to the situation, but that would negatively affect any action that could be taken in future. Old matey could say as many harsh words as he pleased, he could damage property. He could be a general ass.
What did I tell my friend? It was more detailed, but I basically told him to hold his tongue. If he rose to the occasion, it would surely make things worse. If he rose to the situation, it could be used against him in future. This fellow (who was perfectly pleasant to me, but probably just to make a point) was spoiling for a reaction. IF my friend had given him that, I am confident the situation would have been made worse.
I think in some situations, the proverbial holding of tongue saves lives lol
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Dreldor
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:12:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Aaron Gabriel, Dalv, Logicfx,
I'll try to keep this as brief as possible.
As ive said to you on many occasions I felt that it was best you and your people stand down and grow beyond a childish dispute. I also advised you I am not a griefer and try to play the game for fun.
Nobody wants to back you on this one, by trying so hard to defeat me you stand in the way of NPC 0.0 population. I wonder exactly what it is you hope to achieve, and what your endgame is.
Im going to ask you one last time. after this there is no going back.
Will you stop the vendetta against me?
You seem to think all I want to do is destroy you and this is not true. Our argument is only one small part of my experience, and youd have to agree the simple fact is ive seen more than you. Ive fought many people with a bitter vendetta against me and each time I do I learn more and more.
The line has clearly been drawn Gabriel and co, its time to decide for sure which side you will stand on.
Aaron, you might find this hard to believe but we don't really care that much about you. You must have noticed that we left UF-KKH about 8 months ago. We don't camp the station you are in, or stop you from doing your thing.
If you want to invite high-sec pilots down to NPC 0.0 then why not just do it? Make your invitation attractive - explain how to make the move from high-sec, what they need to bring down and how to get started making ISK. Thousands of pilots have done all this before, and really all it takes is the desire to explore new game content and a mindset that enjoys a challenge. You can help them get started and pass on your experience. What people *don't* want is to hear you crying all the time about the vast numbers of people that hate you.
Either have a thread that is about inviting people down to NPC 0.0 or have a thread that is about you, but don't do both in one thread or you will have a repeat of your last failed threadnought. Just some friendly advice.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.26 07:04:00 -
[140]
Aaron was trying to get a red passing through he was unaware that you were there, he also missed the red completely, he apoligised and you started smack talking and said more than just idiot, I have the logs. This followed on from bumping Aaron on the station and numerous insults in local when he was blue by various members of AOV to wind him up. I have the logs supplied by a member of Local Spike. But I have to say I am impressed, you managed to produce a sentence without a single swear word, well done!!!!
Originally by: U93AJAX No Dracvlad-"It went like this"- Aaron watched U93AJAX jump through a gate then return less than 60 seconds later-Aaron launched a bomb from his bomber on seeing gate-fire-U93AJAX called Aaron an idiot (woooo!!)in local-now you can begin- Quote: It went like this U93AJAX insulted Aaron in local, AOV threatened to make Aaron red when he responded in kind, Aaron took that as being set red there and then and then fired on Indecent Intent, it was not one of Aaron's best moments.
Unless you have the logs to show different(as i recall you were not present) please refrain from dragging my name into your paltry drama.
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U93AJAX
Caldari Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.07.26 07:24:00 -
[141]
Yawn....were you there?...answer straight.You were not and thus cannot know what happened,the circumstances surrounding that particular incident nor their order-this being the case i ask you again to cease dragging my name into your fantasies(tho' you prolly cant help yourself right enough)
As regards the use of language i swear i have never heard such torrents of vicious puerile homophobic epithets as those typed by EA members in Local against those whom they perceive as "hostile".
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:01:00 -
[142]
I said I had the logs and I had the details of events from Aaron, AOV, Celes (who had the AOV version of events) and a Local Spike member. And again I must say well done for the lack of swear words in your post, most unlike you, though these forums do tend to block them so I guess you realise there is no point to communicate in your normal way.
Originally by: U93AJAX Edited by: U93AJAX on 26/07/2010 07:35:31 Yawn....were you there?...answer straight.You were not and thus cannot know what happened,the circumstances surrounding that particular incident nor their order-this being the case i ask you again to cease dragging my name into your fantasies(tho' you prolly cant help yourself right enough)
As regards the use of language i swear i have never heard such torrents of vicious puerile homophobic epithets as those typed by EA members in Local against those whom they perceive as "hostile". This being(allegedly) a thread to encourage players to come join you,well seeing as how you have decided to raise this particular issue i feel it is my duty to forewarn the maybe innocent good boys and girls now dwelling in Empire of one of the more unsavoury aspects of your little gang.
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Bado Sten
Minmatar Republican Guard
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Posted - 2010.07.26 12:19:00 -
[143]
Should'nt this be in CAOD?
Anyway, Stain is nice and quiet, so just go there and enjoy the scenery. No need to join a coalition for that. Tbh. you'll draw less attention to yourself if alone.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.26 14:17:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Bado Sten Should'nt this be in CAOD?
Anyway, Stain is nice and quiet, so just go there and enjoy the scenery. No need to join a coalition for that. Tbh. you'll draw less attention to yourself if alone.
You think so bud?
Ive found its much more exciting working with a group of guys. Also I feel lots of us need to get with the team work mentality.
Its good knowing theres a network of people who sell ships modules ready to help you, or perhaps you may want to buy the minerals and build the ship yourself. This is the benefit of working in a coallition. you get supported to an extent.
Its all very exciting this.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:45:00 -
[145]
Q: Should'nt this be in CAOD? A: You think so bud? Good answer.
My guess is most people think this belongs in COAD, except you and apparantly the moderators. If you wanted to make a thread discussing NRDS make it neutral, and not full to the brim of Aaron.
This thread is not neutral.
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:05:00 -
[146]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Q: Should'nt this be in CAOD? A: You think so bud? Good answer.
My guess is most people think this belongs in COAD, except you and apparantly the moderators. If you wanted to make a thread discussing NRDS make it neutral, and not full to the brim of Aaron.
This thread is not neutral.
This thread is too much of a gem to be left to rot in CAOD. Sure, Aaron might get a few corp members out of it, and I understand you want to completely stop his venture, destroy him, and scatter the ashes of his alliance to the corners of the universe, but this thread is (and always was) a decent read and it would be a shame if it left GD.
Kicking Aaron while he's down is pretty contemptible. But I guess that's only to be expected. He's right when he says he does have very bitter enemies.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:06:00 -
[147]
This is a thread that is about getting High Sec people like I used to be, to go to NPC 0.0, if you Aaron getters would stop hijacking it then that is all it would be, there is no attempt by us to recruit to get people to fight you griefers. It is you that is trying to turn it into what it is not...
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Q: Should'nt this be in CAOD? A: You think so bud? Good answer.
My guess is most people think this belongs in COAD, except you and apparantly the moderators. If you wanted to make a thread discussing NRDS make it neutral, and not full to the brim of Aaron.
This thread is not neutral.
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:34:00 -
[148]
Dracvlad, can you blame us? Most of us came down with an open mind about Aaron and were either betrayed, smacked, abandoned, shot, taken advantage of, or all of the above. He kicked us when we we're down, we are just returning the favor.
Think of this as Eve's own little feedback system. It's all part of the sandbox. Aaron ****ed off hoards of people, we know what he is like and we tell people about it. Welcome to Eve.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.26 17:04:00 -
[149]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 26/07/2010 17:06:41 Where do you guys get your logic from... Aaron does not deserve special favours, this thread is not worth more than any other recruitment thread in CAOD. Difference is Aaron doesnt think the rules apply to him, beeing special and all that.
My view is and have allways been that populating 0.0 is a good thing, and aaron is trying to do just that. I DO NOT want to try and stop Aaron, i just want him to realise he has to change something and not try the same old strategy over and over again. 3rd or 4th time now?
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.26 18:32:00 -
[150]
That is refreshing to say it, you have my respect, the break up of the first Hub Zero left a lot of bitterness, I get the impression that Aaron has moved on though he still has a blind spot in terms of Gab. You guys gave him quite a kicking after that break up, but what surprises me that your corp is looking backwards instead of forwards after the break up of Sys-K, but who am I to say what you should do and what your end goal is.
Your perception of Aaron is different to me, but that is Eve, people look for any excuse to fight, thats the way it is, but at least you said it straight.
Originally by: Erick Odin Dracvlad, can you blame us? Most of us came down with an open mind about Aaron and were either betrayed, smacked, abandoned, shot, taken advantage of, or all of the above. He kicked us when we we're down, we are just returning the favor.
Think of this as Eve's own little feedback system. It's all part of the sandbox. Aaron ****ed off hoards of people, we know what he is like and we tell people about it. Welcome to Eve.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.26 18:33:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails I think in some situations, the proverbial holding of tongue saves lives lol
I could hold your tongue... with mine...sweetie
Tee Hee Hee
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.26 18:59:00 -
[152]
Hey Guys,
Generally getting on with me is quite easy. As long as pirates and NBSI folk dont come here pretending to be NTDS, or NRDS I really can't see any problems.
I think that Dalv, AOV and Local-Spike will never understand that we fell out because we have different beliefs, they are NBSI and I am and will always be NTDS or NRDS, it's as simple as that.
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fuer0n
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Posted - 2010.07.26 19:47:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Tombstone Frank This sort of stuff makes EVE cool. I can't help but be sympathetic towards Aaron and his idealistic crusade. It's like sort of like the hopeless yet noble battle against the forces of evil and choas, like what you would find in a novel or movie, only it's playing out in real time in an MMO. Sounds like fun as long as people don't take it too seriously.
lol r u teh tomb?
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Jadawin Khanidi
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:35:00 -
[154]
Can't believe this thing is still going on. Or rather, again? And it seems to be the same as 9 months ago, only some of the people are new... but writing almost exactly the same words other people did back then, including me
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.26 22:46:00 -
[155]
Hey jadawin, hows it goin bud, were using this forum to plan in theroy how this venture will work nothing has been put into practice as yet. We are using a channel "e-a public" as a meeting place.
Ok we've made some progress with the planning of this venture I just need to finalise a few things with the CEO's that have declared support.
- we have pretty good numbers for when this venture starts. all of the CEO's involved are happy to observe a NTDS (no threat dont shoot) or NRDS policy.
- weve so far managed to find guys prepared to do carrier runs to the area.
- No industrialists/marketeers have come onboard as of yet.
- were aiming for a populace of around 300 pilots to live in one of the many constellations in stain.
- Getting involved in defence or management is NOT a requirement, people can come here and just consume.
- Pilots can come here as long as they are happy to observe NTDS or NRDS, and are not required to join a corp or alliance.
This is moving alot quicker than I thought it would, Id like to set a date for when all of this starts.
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Skydell
Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:23:00 -
[156]
Perhaps the umentioned aspect to a stain based NRDS is standings reset. More specific, I dont hate -A- with every fiber of my being.
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:23:00 -
[157]
Shut up you little EA *****es.
start talking when you undock/decloak.
and if you keep talking **** i'll have all my good friends from CVA come down here.
Cos they all owe me.. cos i am a good friend and we chat about RL stuff in public channels all day.
Wouldn't be the first time they bring theyr supercap fleet to my help.
Note: the term *****es is not meant to insult noone. it only is a personification of eternal ascension members...
and theyr parents.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:21:00 -
[158]
A good reason why you and U93AJAX get on so well, I would hate to listen to one of your RL conversations, it would be spot the non-swear word, perhaps once every 5 words..., you would be comparing sizes and how long your could make noises from your rear end, riverting...
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 27/07/2010 05:40:01 Shut up you little EA *****es.
start talking when you undock/decloak.
and if you keep talking **** i'll have all my good friends from CVA come down here.
Cos they all owe me.. cos i am a good friend and we chat about RL stuff in public channels all day.
Wouldn't be the first time they bring theyr supercap fleet to my help.
The first word is also used to describe a dogs female partner. The second word is what comes out when Aaron starts talking.
Note: the term *****es is not meant to insult noone. it only is a personification of eternal ascension members...
and theyr parents.
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Tarmac Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:33:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 27/07/2010 05:40:01 Shut up you little EA *****es.
start talking when you undock/decloak.
and if you keep talking **** i'll have all my good friends from CVA come down here.
Cos they all owe me.. cos i am a good friend and we chat about RL stuff in public channels all day.
Wouldn't be the first time they bring theyr supercap fleet to my help.
The first word is also used to describe a dogs female partner. The second word is what comes out when Aaron starts talking.
Note: the term *****es is not meant to insult noone. it only is a personification of eternal ascension members...
and theyr parents.
Can you teach me how to fly rifters buddy? you seem to know.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10589371
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.27 09:37:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 27/07/2010 09:40:22 Just turn on your autopilot.
Oh and that was a gross understatement. The Killmail this is.... doesn't show up BPC values
The rifter loss was worth about 1.3 Billion.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:25:00 -
[161]
I guess you will not be getting many requests for advice on how to move stuff...
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 27/07/2010 09:40:22 Just turn on your autopilot.
Oh and that was a gross understatement. The Killmail this is.... doesn't show up BPC values
The rifter loss was worth about 1.3 Billion.
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.07.27 13:16:00 -
[162]
That's a pretty expensive Rifter. And a pretty stupid way to lose it.
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Tarmac Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.27 14:18:00 -
[163]
Well anyway, getting right back on topic here, I would like to say that with the right people and enough dedication, that this thing has lots of potential. If this does take action it will be challenging(but thats what will make it so fun imo), no doubt. Good luck guys,
maybe ill see yall down there.
- Oh and lol @ all the aaron haters in this thread. 99% of their previous forum posts are all cheap troll attempts on aarons topics... Gabriel, dalv, others,... thats pretty funny. obsessed anyone?
oh ok back on topic now.
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.07.27 14:20:00 -
[164]
All I want to know is.... what is the codename!!?! -----
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.07.27 15:38:00 -
[165]
Codename "The Garden"? Like where you grow stuff?
Well, what's being grown is an alliance. I look forward to how Aaron implements the "harvest" hahaha.
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.27 17:54:00 -
[166]
Yep, a garden.
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Icantseeanythinginthis
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:03:00 -
[167]
My dog just took a poop in your garden. Just fyi.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:02:00 -
[168]
Edited by: Aaron on 27/07/2010 22:03:10 Thanks to all the guys that have taken the time to come in to e-a public channel to declare support.
This venture is going to be lots of fun and I think its really going to make a difference to those in hi-sec who have vowed never to go to NPC 0.0.
for those of you who are going to get involved I would only ask that you try your hardest to remain NTDS (No Threat Dont Shoot). I can assure you we are not making things difficult for ourselves. One of our advantages is that we will live in a dead end constallation so no neutral will have any reason to come there unless they are comming to join us. At the moment I am living in a pipe system where everyone will take this route to get to wherever they are going. Even though its a pipe neutrals barley come through here so im really expecting there to be no neutrals whatsoever comming into our new home.
Again, thanks for your support its most appreciated, and we will see if we can make this one of the most exciting ventures eve online has ever seen.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:28:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Aaron on 28/07/2010 01:32:05 Edited by: Aaron on 28/07/2010 01:30:47 Ok this is the way I see it in my head, I know I keep going on and on, but I just dont want arguments and fights when the venture starts.
I need to be sure the people initially comming down willingly agree to the NTDS (no threat dont shoot) policy as i believe this is an important factor in the success of this venture. If we become nbsi then we have failed.
Ok, heres the NTDS policy and how it can be put into affect.
- We put a couple of lookout alts on the entrance to our space, The redlist will be based on an alt in my alliance.
- Any neutral that takes a wrong turn into the garden will be contacted in a reasonable fashion and informed that faliure to communicate could result in the destruction of their ship.
- If no reply is recieved then we assume they are hostile. periodic warnings should be displayed about the pilot and his current whereabouts. the community will have to pay attention to the warnings in the channel and take precautions such as staying alligned and using scanner warping safe and cloaking is the best option.
- We can ask the hi-sec dudes interested in comming here to try and be as humble as possible and submit to questions and their ship being scanned, if you have no guns or cynos you're good and you will be allowed thorugh. Basically we will be doing Airport security on the entrance to The Garden.
I think this can work guys with such procedures in place all we have to do is focus on the guys that dont respect our rules and try to warp past our security barrier ignoring us. Ultimatley I will be responsible if a non threat gets shot while trying to enter the garden so i would ask that the people helping with the management of this venture could respect that.
Anyone involved in this must understand there's no point in destroying a ship that's no threat to you. If we can pass the test and become diciplined it will attract lots of people from hi sec resulting in a better foundation for growth.
Its our mission to create a safe environment where people can do activities such as mining, plexing, and wormholes, ratting,
Well have a think about it and decide for sure what you're gonna do, ive got a feeling this is gonna be MASSIVE if we can just show some dicipline.
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LogiCFX
Caldari Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.07.28 02:37:00 -
[170]
airport security... scanning for cynos.... seems like you may have had a bad experience with a cyno pilot before. =)
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.07.28 04:18:00 -
[171]
Aaron, just don't bother. You are setting yourself up for nothing more than grief. The game isn't designed for NRDS. Just find a good wormhole, get your friends who have stuck by you, and make your living there.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.28 06:37:00 -
[172]
Why do you bother? It seems to be such a waste of time for an alliance of your standing, ahhh I got it, you need somewhere for the scumbags in your alliance to let off steam and all so they don't embarass your alliance, but then again why are you posting here?
Originally by: LogiCFX airport security... scanning for cynos.... seems like you may have had a bad experience with a cyno pilot before. =)
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.28 12:47:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Ori Blake Aaron, just don't bother. You are setting yourself up for nothing more than grief. The game isn't designed for NRDS.
I think this game is whatever we make it. We have a choice to be diciplined or not. Of course i'd like this to work, but im not gonna be that bothered if it dont. Its not allways about the winning its about taking part and trying your best.
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:03:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Aaron
- We can ask the hi-sec dudes interested in comming here to try and be as humble as possible and submit to questions and their ship being scanned, if you have no guns or cynos you're good and you will be allowed thorugh. Basically we will be doing Airport security on the entrance to The Garden.
Carebear: I am here in my mission Abaddon to run anoms! Aaron: Sorry, you're not allowed to rat while you have weapons on your ship.
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NEMESIS SIN
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:15:00 -
[175]
Edited by: NEMESIS SIN on 28/07/2010 14:17:16
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 27/07/2010 05:40:01 Shut up you little EA *****es.
start talking when you undock/decloak.
and if you keep talking **** i'll have all my good friends from CVA come down here.
Cos they all owe me.. cos i am a good friend and we chat about RL stuff in public channels all day.
Wouldn't be the first time they bring theyr supercap fleet to my help.
The first word is also used to describe a dogs female partner. The second word is what comes out when Aaron starts talking.
Note: the term *****es is not meant to insult noone. it only is a personification of eternal ascension members...
and theyr parents.
And I will have my good friends from X-BOB come drop a supercapital fleet on you. It is not the first time they have come when I rang. I am THAT leet. So leet in fact that I cant take care of **** myself.
Could that be one of the most ridiculous posts of all time?
Grrrr CVA will help me!!! Grrrrrr.....
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:19:00 -
[176]
Yeah, its really for those that we have no knowledge of, if thyey come in a Vagabond for example that would be a real threat, so I think that could have been worded better in. Basically we want people who want to come down to communicate with us fist, its better that way.
Originally by: Demolishar
Originally by: Aaron
- We can ask the hi-sec dudes interested in comming here to try and be as humble as possible and submit to questions and their ship being scanned, if you have no guns or cynos you're good and you will be allowed thorugh. Basically we will be doing Airport security on the entrance to The Garden.
Carebear: I am here in my mission Abaddon to run anoms! Aaron: Sorry, you're not allowed to rat while you have weapons on your ship.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:58:00 -
[177]
If you're trying to clearly outline what you're attempting to accomplish why do you continually ignore the red lines under a great deal of your words?
I do hope your latest attempt works, I truly do. My only suggestion is still to replace the OP as the overseer. Last Rites or Dracvlad could make good organizers. Plus a possibly clean slate with most of your current red list. Perhaps even some support. Just a thought that i'm sure will be shot down.
Good luck though. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:06:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Dracvlad Edited by: Dracvlad on 28/07/2010 15:33:32 Edited by: Dracvlad on 28/07/2010 14:35:22 Yeah, its really for those that we have no knowledge of, if thyey come in a Vagabond for example that would be a real threat, so I think that could have been worded better. Basically we want people who want to come down to communicate with us first, its better that way.
Originally by: Demolishar
Originally by: Aaron
- We can ask the hi-sec dudes interested in comming here to try and be as humble as possible and submit to questions and their ship being scanned, if you have no guns or cynos you're good and you will be allowed thorugh. Basically we will be doing Airport security on the entrance to The Garden.
Carebear: I am here in my mission Abaddon to run anoms! Aaron: Sorry, you're not allowed to rat while you have weapons on your ship.
Yes, we would hope that hi sec guys contact us first so we know they are not a threat when they arrive, also its not ideal for high sec guys to travel around here in a BS or BC. I'd sugges using a frig, nano ship, or cov ops to get your clone down here. Its not a problem to have your ratting and pvp ships brought here by carrier or jump frieght.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:15:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus If you're trying to clearly outline what you're attempting to accomplish why do you continually ignore the red lines under a great deal of your words?
why i want to know is why dos my printer ignore all the nice red lines underneath words in my impotent documents lol
anyway i should be around tonite and also bring a friend or so \o/
xx
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decoherance
Gallente 40 htz
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:16:00 -
[180]
This NTDS sounds a lot like NBSI to me.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:31:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Aaron on 28/07/2010 16:32:02
Originally by: decoherance This NTDS sounds a lot like NBSI to me.
Hey Dec, longtime, hows it going? o/
I can see why you would think that.
What I'm trying to do is ensure the highsec guys saftey, they have to also do their bit by being co-operative.
Also it depends which side of the fence u sit on, if you have no ulterior motive I will do all I can to ensure your saftey. If your motives are untoward youll have problems.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.28 17:54:00 -
[182]
Gabriel, thanks for the good luck wishes, the thing is that I am working with Aaron as a team, he is the boss and I totally respect that, I advise him and we have developed a good working relationship, Aaron has learnt a lot through experiencing the earlier attempt. Of course its not going to be plain sailing issues always arise, but where there is a will there is a way, I am confident that this will work. The truth is that neither Aaron or myself wanted to be fighting Local Spike and our earlier offer of peace was not an attempt to get at AOV or Dalv via you, but because we really do not want to be in conflict with many of the people who were in the first attempt of Hub Zero.
Later on I expect we will talk again directly, but it will have to wait until we implement, at which point AOV and Dalv become a very minor skin rash...
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus If you're trying to clearly outline what you're attempting to accomplish why do you continually ignore the red lines under a great deal of your words?
I do hope your latest attempt works, I truly do. My only suggestion is still to replace the OP as the overseer. Last Rites or Dracvlad could make good organizers. Plus a possibly clean slate with most of your current red list. Perhaps even some support. Just a thought that i'm sure will be shot down.
Good luck though.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.28 21:59:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Aaron on 28/07/2010 22:00:13 One of my main concerns is that the guys who are NBSI and prepared to help us will want to come here and be NBSI.
If we were to be NBSI while down here then it would contradict what we are trying to do. Our goals are as follows;
- Secure some space for hi sec people to come and dwell
- Create an economy in our new home and grow.
The people joining this ventue must understand that being NBSI will make the hi sec guys not bother with us and continue living in hi sec. If this happens then we have failed. It is also clear that hisec guys dont come to null sec because of NBSI.
I personally think the hi sec guys will be able to police the area themselves, this will be dependent on the amount of people that come down. We can get a few good fleet commanders and the hi sec guys will be advised on ship fittings.
If the hi sec guys are to police themselves they will need to follow exactly what the commander says to the letter. most of the time its jus "warp to x, or primary target x, secondary target x. Its all pretty straight forward, and lv4/5 mission runners should have no problem dealing with this.
I'm very carfully considering saying thank you but no thank you to the NBSI corps involved and making it into a venture where its only hi sec dwellers involved and guys with no problem being NTDS. This is just a thought.
But yes, it appears we will need more time to plan this. stay tuned.
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.07.28 22:49:00 -
[184]
Edited by: Demolishar on 28/07/2010 22:51:09
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus
I do hope your latest attempt works, I truly do.
Sincerely, or just cause it means you have more targets?
Aaron: The reason bears hate NBSI is because they are the NBs, not the people SI'ing. I'm sure they'd be all too happy to be NBSI if the roles were reversed.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.28 23:36:00 -
[185]
I'm kinda feeling this "for the people of hisec, by the people of hisec" theme.
Would a couple of hisec guys care to comment? after all, I'd like to do this venture for you but I keep hearing from groups of nbsi folk with itchy trigger fingers. Whats your take on the situation? What are your desires?
I tell u somthing, Ive seen hisec dudes with no experience in anything come down here and fight like a pro in PVP.
All we have to do is be community and lean on eachother.
Ok, have a look at this, Once the community is started I will replace any ratting ship you lose in exchange for your assistance when ratting and looting/salvaging. its very efficient to pay for your ships with time. Contributing to the coallition is a good way to pool our resource and help everybody.
Hisec guys please speak up. You raise your voice and people listen.
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BrutalButUnfair
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Posted - 2010.07.29 07:42:00 -
[186]
Still think this is a good venture. Just one question:
What would happen if the alliance/cooperation grows big? (say 500 members) What would be the role of the alliance/cooperation then. Surely people would get bored at some point and start shooting neuts. How would you guys keep it fresh and all.
Greetz,
Brutal
Originally by: Dracvlad Gabriel, thanks for the good luck wishes, the thing is that I am working with Aaron as a team, he is the boss and I totally respect that, I advise him and we have developed a good working relationship, Aaron has learnt a lot through experiencing the earlier attempt. Of course its not going to be plain sailing issues always arise, but where there is a will there is a way, I am confident that this will work. The truth is that neither Aaron or myself wanted to be fighting Local Spike and our earlier offer of peace was not an attempt to get at AOV or Dalv via you, but because we really do not want to be in conflict with many of the people who were in the first attempt of Hub Zero.
Later on I expect we will talk again directly, but it will have to wait until we implement, at which point AOV and Dalv become a very minor skin rash...
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus If you're trying to clearly outline what you're attempting to accomplish why do you continually ignore the red lines under a great deal of your words?
I do hope your latest attempt works, I truly do. My only suggestion is still to replace the OP as the overseer. Last Rites or Dracvlad could make good organizers. Plus a possibly clean slate with most of your current red list. Perhaps even some support. Just a thought that i'm sure will be shot down.
Good luck though.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.29 07:58:00 -
[187]
We would create a framework say a council of CEO's and we would work out our objectives between us and we expect that we will grow carefully, in terms of a corp getting bored, well I think that there will be enough people looking to Pew Pew to keep them busy, but if they did and did not have a good reason to do so they would be expelled and set red by everyone else. But corps do move on and I would expect that people would just do that, this is also a stepping stone for corps, not just players.
Originally by: BrutalButUnfair Still think this is a good venture. Just one question:
What would happen if the alliance/cooperation grows big? (say 500 members) What would be the role of the alliance/cooperation then. Surely people would get bored at some point and start shooting neuts. How would you guys keep it fresh and all.
Greetz,
Brutal
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BrutalButUnfair
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Posted - 2010.07.29 08:44:00 -
[188]
ok sounds reasonable, also Aaron is speaking of moving to another const (deadend const) wouldn't this mean that the dest const needs to be conquered. (I think all consts in stain are already occupied by other bigger groups.) And that this would be an act of war which is not NTDS. Just a thought
Originally by: Dracvlad We would create a framework say a council of CEO's and we would work out our objectives between us and we expect that we will grow carefully, in terms of a corp getting bored, well I think that there will be enough people looking to Pew Pew to keep them busy, but if they did and did not have a good reason to do so they would be expelled and set red by everyone else. But corps do move on and I would expect that people would just do that, this is also a stepping stone for corps, not just players.
Originally by: BrutalButUnfair Still think this is a good venture. Just one question:
What would happen if the alliance/cooperation grows big? (say 500 members) What would be the role of the alliance/cooperation then. Surely people would get bored at some point and start shooting neuts. How would you guys keep it fresh and all.
Greetz,
Brutal
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.29 09:04:00 -
[189]
We set them red, but the groups you refer to are already red to us, no issue in terms of NTDS.
Originally by: BrutalButUnfair ok sounds reasonable, also Aaron is speaking of moving to another const (deadend const) wouldn't this mean that the dest const needs to be conquered. (I think all consts in stain are already occupied by other bigger groups.) And that this would be an act of war which is not NTDS. Just a thought
Originally by: Dracvlad We would create a framework say a council of CEO's and we would work out our objectives between us and we expect that we will grow carefully, in terms of a corp getting bored, well I think that there will be enough people looking to Pew Pew to keep them busy, but if they did and did not have a good reason to do so they would be expelled and set red by everyone else. But corps do move on and I would expect that people would just do that, this is also a stepping stone for corps, not just players.
Originally by: BrutalButUnfair Still think this is a good venture. Just one question:
What would happen if the alliance/cooperation grows big? (say 500 members) What would be the role of the alliance/cooperation then. Surely people would get bored at some point and start shooting neuts. How would you guys keep it fresh and all.
Greetz,
Brutal
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.29 11:25:00 -
[190]
Hisec guys, please could we have some input from you? I need to understand what you think so we can better plan this.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.29 11:52:00 -
[191]
OK this is difficult, but from what I have understood from talking to many people that the majority will not accept NRDS or even NTDS. I have talked this over with Aaron and we have come to the difficult decision that we will also apply NBSI in this new venture. As it is a dead end then we should not get people passing through like we do in UF-KKH, so that means that we are not really going to be shooting people just like that. So that means that people coming down to join us will have to get blue status first, we will also have a tier system in which early arrivals will be set light blue and certain systems will be blocked to them until they have acheived dark blue status.
This is a very difficult decision to make but because we do not expect passing neutrals in this area then we will reluctantly apply NBSI in this venture. Perhaps at some point when we are settled and have a good level of control we will look at this again, but it will be down to the CEO's to agree such a move.
I know some of you will blast Aaron for this, but it took a lot of courage on his part to make this change.
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Waukesha
Amarr Invictus Australis BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.07.29 12:12:00 -
[192]
GL with this Aaron broski, and yeah NRDS sucks balls
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.29 14:04:00 -
[193]
I, for one, will not be "blasting" the OP. I'm just glad that whole NBSI v NRDS fiasco is put to rest. At least for a bit.
Welcome to the Dark Side, now help yourself to the cookies. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.07.29 14:13:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Dracvlad I have talked this over with Aaron and we have come to the difficult decision that we will also apply NBSI in this new venture.
must ... resist ... urge ...
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.29 14:52:00 -
[195]
The decision to have the venture be NBSI may affect the hisec population that would like to come here. I will endevour to ensure that if you come here you will be set blue provided someone from my corp is informed of your arrival. I will then try to ensure the other corps involved and the community have you set as blue.
I still feel neutrals will not be a problem, If there are genuine neuts in our new home I will do my best to get you blue.
I'm still not going out of my way to kill neuts, NTDS suits me fine. I will not argue with people who choose to be NBSI here, nor will I try to impose NTDS on anyone.
With this in mind, I still need some feedback from hisec guys. Does this venture sound like somthing you would get involved in? Does NBSI put you off? please, post your views here.
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Kephael
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.29 19:08:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 29/07/2010 15:22:04 Edited by: Aaron on 29/07/2010 15:10:33 The decision to have the venture be NBSI may affect the hisec population that would like to come here. I will endevour to ensure that if you come here you will be set blue provided someone from my corp is informed of your arrival. I will then try to ensure the other corps involved and the community have you set as blue.
I still feel neutrals will not be a problem, If there are genuine neuts in our new home I will do my best to get you blue.
I'm still not going out of my way to kill neuts, NTDS suits me fine. I will not argue with people who choose to be NBSI here, nor will I try to impose NTDS on anyone.
With this in mind, I still need some feedback from hisec guys. Does this venture sound like somthing you would get involved in? Does NBSI put you off? please, post your views here.
EDIT: I'm also thinking that any corp/pilot comming here will need to submit API's and possible voice convo's.
The hisec population that will live here will be crucial to our success.
Ok, At this stage I am seeking to get a list of interested corps/alliances that want to come here to help manage and do security. I'll need infomation such as what your strengths are, and your numbers.
I will also be looking to form a counsel and I'd like a couple of members from the hisec community to be part of it, so please feel free to contact me if you're up for it. Thanks.
It's called setup an alliance, then you don't have to worry about a dozen corps dealing with standings. But why would any corp want to join a fail alliance living in npc 0.0 when they could rent in space where they can claim sov?
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.07.29 19:14:00 -
[197]
Quote: It's called setup an alliance, then you don't have to worry about a dozen corps dealing with standings. But why would any corp want to join a fail alliance living in npc 0.0 when they could rent in space where they can claim sov?
Because not every highsec corp wants to pay hundreds of millions just to live freely in 0.0, and not every corp wants to be a part of the blob-fest that is sov space. Just a thought.
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Beowolf Schaefer
Gallente McKendrick Merchantile Cooperative
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Posted - 2010.07.29 19:35:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Kephael It's called setup an alliance, then you don't have to worry about a dozen corps dealing with standings. But why would any corp want to join a fail alliance living in npc 0.0 when they could rent in space where they can claim sov?
NPC nullsec offers a nice option for the more casual player as well. Nothing sucks like coming back after a month or two long break and finding all your assets are in a station you can no longer access.
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.07.29 20:10:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Roosterton
Because not every highsec corp wants to pay hundreds of millions just to live freely in 0.0, and not every corp wants to be a part of the blob-fest that is sov space. Just a thought.
Yeah some of them want to gank newbs in empire, like you and Demolishar have been doing.
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Kephael
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.29 20:19:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Kephael on 29/07/2010 20:19:29
Originally by: Roosterton
Quote: It's called setup an alliance, then you don't have to worry about a dozen corps dealing with standings. But why would any corp want to join a fail alliance living in npc 0.0 when they could rent in space where they can claim sov?
Because not every highsec corp wants to pay hundreds of millions just to live freely in 0.0, and not every corp wants to be a part of the blob-fest that is sov space. Just a thought.
You literally make 100s of millions in a few hours of play and don't participate in sov warfare. This is why most high sec bears are dirt poor and I'm not. I do participate in sov warfare, but then again I'm not a renter.
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Viva Che
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Posted - 2010.07.29 20:24:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Aaron Hisec guys, please could we have some input from you? I need to understand what you think so we can better plan this.
Really? You've done a bang-up job of ignoring those posts so far and only feeding trolls instead.
Highsec players want to know "what can you do for me that would make me want to move into dangerous space?"
Simply put, you can't offer them anything they don't already have in empire other than the right to shoot whomever they please without a wardec. The only players enticed by that prospect are not coming out to play nice with you.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:29:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Viva Che
Originally by: Aaron Hisec guys, please could we have some input from you? I need to understand what you think so we can better plan this.
Really? You've done a bang-up job of ignoring those posts so far and only feeding trolls instead.
Highsec players want to know "what can you do for me that would make me want to move into dangerous space?"
Simply put, you can't offer them anything they don't already have in empire other than the right to shoot whomever they please without a wardec. The only players enticed by that prospect are not coming out to play nice with you.
I can offer an experience, a very exciting one at that, one that will teach you new skills, and you'll get the oppertunity to mine veldspar rocks as big as a station. We can work as part of a team here.
Most hisec guys have to expand the dimension of their gaming, we got our very own epic fantasy world here where we have the power to mould it any way we please. There will be a process in place for you to dwell here trouble free we just have to follow it best we can.
Surely hi sec guys could bring a clone out here and have a look.
Ok, I will attempt to get a website up and running, this may be the easiest way for all of us to communicate. Lets try to be civil about this, respect eachother, and ultimatly have some epic fun.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.07.29 21:40:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Roosterton on 29/07/2010 21:46:15 Edited by: Roosterton on 29/07/2010 21:44:08 Edited by: Roosterton on 29/07/2010 21:41:01
Originally by: Erick Odin
Originally by: Roosterton
Because not every highsec corp wants to pay hundreds of millions just to live freely in 0.0, and not every corp wants to be a part of the blob-fest that is sov space. Just a thought.
Yeah some of them want to gank newbs in empire, like you and Demolishar have been doing.
Lolwut? First of all, our most recent wardec was against 2007 players who had a far larger corp than us, including some 0.0 PVP veterans (We're both 09.) who actually gave us a nice challenge and drove us away in some fights. Secondly, that has nothing to do with what I just said. stfu?
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Viva Che
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Posted - 2010.07.29 22:25:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Aaron I can offer an experience, a very exciting one at that, one that will teach you new skills, and you'll get the oppertunity to mine veldspar rocks as big as a station. We can work as part of a team here.
Most hisec guys have to expand the dimension of their gaming, we got our very own epic fantasy world here where we have the power to mould it any way we please. There will be a process in place for you to dwell here trouble free we just have to follow it best we can.
Surely hi sec guys could bring a clone out here and have a look.
Ok, I will attempt to get a website up and running, this may be the easiest way for all of us to communicate. Lets try to be civil about this, respect eachother, and ultimatly have some epic fun.
And there-in lies the problem. You're offering an intangible. It's like advertising disney land without any attractions and saying "it's all here if you just use your imagination!" You're also assuming that highsec residents want to expand their gaming into a new venue. They don't. If they wanted danger and risk over more consistant profits, they would have either made the move themselves or joined an alliance in sov. space.
You're banking in the fact they'll come "have a look," but that is all they're going to do (if they go that far), before they realize exactly what they are getting into.
Simply put, you can take the carebear out of highsec, but you can't take the highsec out of the carebear. Risk aversion isn't going to change because you show them a half-decent market hub you've arranged in some npc nullsec station. They'll quickly realize the amount of work they're going to have to put in to make the same kind of lifestyle they had in empire possible and either leave or see nullsec for what it is: a playground designed to encourage pvp. Which brings me back to what I said in the previous post: you're not asking for pirates, but that's about all you're going to get in the long-run.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.29 23:42:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Viva Che
Originally by: Aaron I can offer an experience, a very exciting one at that, one that will teach you new skills, and you'll get the oppertunity to mine veldspar rocks as big as a station. We can work as part of a team here.
Most hisec guys have to expand the dimension of their gaming, we got our very own epic fantasy world here where we have the power to mould it any way we please. There will be a process in place for you to dwell here trouble free we just have to follow it best we can.
Surely hi sec guys could bring a clone out here and have a look.
Ok, I will attempt to get a website up and running, this may be the easiest way for all of us to communicate. Lets try to be civil about this, respect eachother, and ultimatly have some epic fun.
And there-in lies the problem. You're offering an intangible. It's like advertising disney land without any attractions and saying "it's all here if you just use your imagination!" You're also assuming that highsec residents want to expand their gaming into a new venue. They don't. If they wanted danger and risk over more consistant profits, they would have either made the move themselves or joined an alliance in sov. space.
You're banking in the fact they'll come "have a look," but that is all they're going to do (if they go that far), before they realize exactly what they are getting into.
Simply put, you can take the carebear out of highsec, but you can't take the highsec out of the carebear. Risk aversion isn't going to change because you show them a half-decent market hub you've arranged in some npc nullsec station. They'll quickly realize the amount of work they're going to have to put in to make the same kind of lifestyle they had in empire possible and either leave or see nullsec for what it is: a playground designed to encourage pvp. Which brings me back to what I said in the previous post: you're not asking for pirates, but that's about all you're going to get in the long-run.
I really dont see the big deal in a hisec dweller comming to live in npc 0.0, is it really that impossible for a hisec guy to think "I'm gonna go check out 0.0" ?
I will not lie to you or give you inacurate information, you'll have to take me at my word and hear me when I say this space is almost empty theres no one here. An organised group of people could manage it for their own purpose.
My best advice is to get a clone out here and just come when you feel like it, you're not required to do anything. have a look at the different side of eve which is pvp. All I can say is its great when u got a good fleet, and a reasonably matched fight. I can show you the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat.
Its up to you hisec guys, you cant say theres no one out there fighting your corner cos there blatently is. its not hard for the casual player to get in some 0.0 action anymore as what I am doing will help somewhat.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.30 00:31:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Aaron Ok, have a look at this, Once the community is started I will replace any ratting ship you lose...
Excellent. I lost a Kronos with T2 Rigs and all Pith-X and Navy mods...
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Aralieus
Amarr The Inf1dels En Garde
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Posted - 2010.07.30 00:38:00 -
[207]
Aaron said: An organized group of people could manage it for their own purpose.
This is exactly the truth for any ppl who have never been to 0.0 before. If you do decide to take Aaron up on his offer then you have to follow that to the letter, no BS. Do not venture down there thinking your gonna be all about yourself or you will find yourself between a brick wall and a hard place. The key isn't blobbing or trying to make your own fortune, but staying HIGHLY organized no matter what task it is your doing and participating as a team. A group of 10 organized mofo's can easily take out 30 disorganized targets. GL to all the ppl that do come on down to 0.0, it's quite unique in it's own right.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.30 01:50:00 -
[208]
Edited by: Aaron on 30/07/2010 01:54:39
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Courage? I want no part of this but it was worth a look...
dude, lol, ill give u a battle cruiser just so u can fleet up with me and take it into battle. when the battle is over you will have percieved the resonance. you will do everything u can to procure another pvp ship and use it again. youll be hooked. Youll enjoy the rats and you will jump for joy when u kill an officer spawn and find that the contents are worth damn near 4 billion isk. Your eyes will widen when you kill a hauler spawn and get 100k zydrine, or 100m trit.
Youll see the point of having a large team of blue guys workin a contallation, youll fight hard for your home.
I challenge you to come have a look, what u got to lose.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.30 06:38:00 -
[209]
Well I was in High Sec and wanted to try 0.0 and this was an easy way, with jump clones you can jump back and forth and I do. I mine and do level 4 missions in High Sec and here I rat and take part in small gang PvP. One major part of my fun is evading people trying to kill me and picking my fights.
Many people in High Sec have this view of 0.0 being a place where you die a lot and my reply is only if you don't take care or make silly errors. Many High Sec Carebears have their fingers in different pies, so what about having a pie out here to see how it goes. You will learn a lot and it can be fun, to be honest small gang PvP is the best type of Eve combat going...
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BrutalButUnfair
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Posted - 2010.07.30 08:27:00 -
[210]
I still don't get these kind of posts. LET HIGHSEC PEOPLE FIGURE IT OUT FOR THEMSELFS!!!!!! They even don't have to bring assets because Aaron wil supply it for them (if set blue ofcourse). If they don't like it they can leave. It would cost them maybe a month of there time. So what? Just let them try it.
Originally by: Viva Che
Originally by: Aaron I can offer an experience, a very exciting one at that, one that will teach you new skills, and you'll get the oppertunity to mine veldspar rocks as big as a station. We can work as part of a team here.
Most hisec guys have to expand the dimension of their gaming, we got our very own epic fantasy world here where we have the power to mould it any way we please. There will be a process in place for you to dwell here trouble free we just have to follow it best we can.
Surely hi sec guys could bring a clone out here and have a look.
Ok, I will attempt to get a website up and running, this may be the easiest way for all of us to communicate. Lets try to be civil about this, respect eachother, and ultimatly have some epic fun.
And there-in lies the problem. You're offering an intangible. It's like advertising disney land without any attractions and saying "it's all here if you just use your imagination!" You're also assuming that highsec residents want to expand their gaming into a new venue. They don't. If they wanted danger and risk over more consistant profits, they would have either made the move themselves or joined an alliance in sov. space.
You're banking in the fact they'll come "have a look," but that is all they're going to do (if they go that far), before they realize exactly what they are getting into.
Simply put, you can take the carebear out of highsec, but you can't take the highsec out of the carebear. Risk aversion isn't going to change because you show them a half-decent market hub you've arranged in some npc nullsec station. They'll quickly realize the amount of work they're going to have to put in to make the same kind of lifestyle they had in empire possible and either leave or see nullsec for what it is: a playground designed to encourage pvp. Which brings me back to what I said in the previous post: you're not asking for pirates, but that's about all you're going to get in the long-run.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.07.30 08:57:00 -
[211]
This thread attracted my eye...
Mostly because of the flaming of the "aaron haters". So, highsec and occationally wh dweller here...
Some questions...
Will there be enough mission runners to fleet up to run 4/5? Are there agents available not only from pirate faction? Are there high end ore available? Will there be a bridge for hauling "goodies" to next hub?
Anyway, the whole idea attracted me, and as it is a sandbox, you can try whatever you want. To be able to "win" might be a different thing. So i¦m keeping this endeavour in my eye....
Good luck!
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Beowolf Schaefer
Gallente McKendrick Merchantile Cooperative
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Posted - 2010.07.30 15:18:00 -
[212]
Originally by: My Postman Some questions...
1 Will there be enough mission runners to fleet up to run 4/5? 2 Are there agents available not only from pirate faction? 3 Are there high end ore available? 4 Will there be a bridge for hauling "goodies" to next hub? Good luck!
As far as mission running I'm not sure if Aaron's group has people set up for it but there are tons of Sansha agents in Stain. I recently worked up standing on an alt so I could use a local lvl4 agent. It only takes about a week to get enough standing if you have criminal connections 4 trained. From there it's gravy to get Sansha faction ship BPCs like the nightmare.
Pro tip, use an alt to hold the LP and standings. Since the local rats are Sansha if you go ratting with the same character you use for missioning you are constantly ruining your own agent standings. Use an alt and just warp him to the mission in a pod. Pods are very tough to scan out and most people won't even bother. Once you have this system set up its easy to just advert your fleet to corp or allies and keep missions running all the time.
The only agents in Stain are True power and True creations which are Sansha pirate faction. There are only 2 level 5 agents in Stain, FYI. You'll probably be looking at lvl4s.
There are no cyno bridges from NPC nullsec so unless someone with a titan gets involved bridges aren't likely.
There are high end ores in some areas of Stain but most are lowsec class ores. I'm no sure what Aaron's destination is but most of the high end ore areas are highly populated so probably not his target. You can however quite often live off the rather common hauler spawns out here in many cases.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.31 04:09:00 -
[213]
Edited by: BrundleMeth on 31/07/2010 04:15:44
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Courage? I want no part of this but it was worth a look...
Excellent. I lost a Kronos with T2 Rigs and all Pith-X and Navy mods...
dude, lol, ill give u a battle cruiser just so u can fleet up with me and take it into battle. when the battle is over you will have percieved the resonance. you will do everything u can to procure another pvp ship and use it again. youll be hooked. Youll enjoy the rats and you will jump for joy when u kill an officer spawn and find that the contents are worth damn near 4 billion isk. Your eyes will widen when you kill a hauler spawn and get 100k zydrine, or 100m trit.
Youll see the point of having a large team of blue guys workin a constallation, youll fight hard for your home.
I challenge you to come have a look, what u got to lose.
EDIT: and why on earth would u fly such an expensive ship here? get yourself a couple of battlecruisers shipped here then collect some loot and ill build u more ships. minimise your risk and be effective at the same time.
Um, that was a joke. Because you said you would replace ships lost while ratting.
But you ignored the rest of my post. Coming out there and being set light blue and given resricted access
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Tornado Bait
Minmatar Devious Decorum Crazy Rainbow Attack Ponies
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Posted - 2010.07.31 04:25:00 -
[214]
I'm interested, please send an evemail with details on how to move all my stuff down there.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.31 04:25:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Aaron Hisec guys, please could we have some input from you? I need to understand what you think so we can better plan this.
I am an all-sec type.
Seriously, and again, I been to the targeted region, and I know that once those macros start docking up because of your endeavor, they are going to put the vodka down and come after you. So plan on decentralization as a means of beating them. To have to waste a few accounts just to start pursuing neutrals or camping them in station costs them many millions of ISK an hour.
I also recommend that while you are trying to build an infrastructure of support there, the people who answer your call to come out still need to have a mindset of someone who goes it alone. There are people working alone out there and they survive well enough, but if players try to treat it like high sec, they might make some progress but will experience expensive setbacks that in the light of the progress "they could be making in high sec", will discourage them.
The engagement policies, though different, could work, but the people who come out need a sense of independence too, lest just a few nefarious nabobs of negativism manage to screw things up for everybody.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:36:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Dracvlad OK this is difficult, but from what I have understood from talking to many people that the majority will not accept NRDS or even NTDS. I have talked this over with Aaron and we have come to the difficult decision that we will also apply NBSI in this new venture.
So how is this any different from regular 0.0 ???
Its different because it will be reasonably easy for cool people to get blue standings with us.
Quote: So that means that people coming down to join us will have to get blue status first, we will also have a tier system in which early arrivals will be set light blue and certain systems will be blocked to them until they have acheived dark blue status.
WHAT? That's just crap plain and simple...
Remember we are still planning nothing is final yet, Also what drac said does sound logical, trust has to be earned no matter which side of the fence you're on.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:17:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Aaron ...trust has to be earned no matter which side of the fence you're on.
Yes, true this...
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:43:00 -
[218]
I think that answered the question about light Blue access very nicely...
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Aaron ...trust has to be earned no matter which side of the fence you're on.
Yes, true this...
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:55:00 -
[219]
But I want Hot Pink Access. For those after battle "bath house" celebrations...
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Sibil Vane
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:05:00 -
[220]
What so hard to understand.
a)It's 0.0 pvp will happen.
b)He is offering you to be a part in a community consisting of ex carebears from high sec with some backup from 0.0 people.
c)Market in place. He will profit from you buying his **** and you will profit from higher rewards and higher risk in 0.0
d)You get to blow up ships and get your own ship blown up in pieces too.
e)There will be some ship spinning in stations.
f)Some immature kids will try to hassle you "welcome to EvE" All men are prepared to accomplish the incredible if their ideals are threatened. |
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.01 01:37:00 -
[221]
ok, ive been thinking of a website for the garden with a forum. we will get the folks who want blue standings to register, they will then be added to a list where all CEO's can copy and paste corp/alliance names.
I do not want any players in NPC corps to join players must be in a player corp. its not difficult to join or create a corp. If you have an npc alt let a senior know who he is and take care as it will be hard to set standings to you.
Please bear with us as we are going to have to screen people who want to come here, this could involve voice/text convos, and API keys.
Efforts will be made to keep the area secure, we will watch suspects covertly and will take extreme action if an enemy is uncovered.
Please contact me if you have experience in building a website/forum, or if Jadawin is still about id be happy to work with you again.
Ok, we are slowly getting there.
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Midori Tsu
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.08.01 03:02:00 -
[222]
The idea sounds cool, but what about logistics? will we have someone who can courier our stuff to empire? will we have someone who can jump our ships and fittings down?
stain is a logistical nightmare, im sure you already know that. with out some type of service to move everything, not many people will be inclined to join. i sure wouldn't.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:48:00 -
[223]
I have very good logistics for Stain, Lv4 carrier pilots would be comfortable.
I'm starting the long process of getting folks stuff down to uf-kkh and have put all the details in "e-a public" the delivery time is currently 2 days. The garden is 1 carrier jump from uf-kkh.
Im advising folks to bring 1 pvp BC and a ratting BC. I can build all t1 ships, over the next few weeks u can buy a ship loadout from empire and get it shipped to the garden. you will be suprised at the small amount of refined loot it takes to build a battleship.
Lets take our time with this and get to know each other.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.02 08:56:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Aaron ok, ive been thinking of a website for the garden with a forum.
o/ aaron i have made a thing! \o/
i will send you an email with details shortly. i mean a proper e mail not that silly eve gate stuff lol
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.02 15:38:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Aaron ok, ive been thinking of a website for the garden with a forum.
o/ aaron i have made a thing! \o/
i will send you an email with details shortly. i mean a proper e mail not that silly eve gate stuff lol
x
Very nice :)
I'll have a little play around on it. then we can start dding content :p
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.02 18:40:00 -
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Could the people interested in this please come to "e-a public" channel. were almost ready.
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Midori Tsu
Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.08.03 03:16:00 -
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bump
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.03 16:52:00 -
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Things are comming together nicley, weve got a few great guys from hi-sec. Looking forward to getting started.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.03 21:20:00 -
[229]
should be good
community is key ♥
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Tyber Zenn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.04 00:23:00 -
[230]
Providing good community is not a service I offer
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.04 00:41:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Tyber Zenn Providing good community is not a service I offer
well luckily there are some of us to take up the slack lol
i kid, i kid
i'm sure this will get much more interesting in the coming weeks \o/
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.08.04 09:44:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Erick Odin
Originally by: Roosterton
Because not every highsec corp wants to pay hundreds of millions just to live freely in 0.0, and not every corp wants to be a part of the blob-fest that is sov space. Just a thought.
Yeah some of them want to gank newbs in empire, like you and Demolishar have been doing.
That's what they're there for!
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.08.04 14:18:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Demolishar
Originally by: Erick Odin
Originally by: Roosterton
Because not every highsec corp wants to pay hundreds of millions just to live freely in 0.0, and not every corp wants to be a part of the blob-fest that is sov space. Just a thought.
Yeah some of them want to gank newbs in empire, like you and Demolishar have been doing.
That's what they're there for!
I thought they were there for venturing out to 0.0 with Eternal Ascension?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.04 18:40:00 -
[234]
hey demo, hey rooster, hey everyone
I've got good hopes for this venture as it will be whatever we make it. Id like to get hundreds of people involved as this will cause any hostiles/enemies around to spend hundreds of man hours trying to stop us. If enemies spend lots of man hours trying to stop us they will lose out on making isk.
So as Cat has said, its all about community. Weve got to be adult and realistic and help eachother out to move the community forward.
A few facts;
- I have lived in stain for over 5 years - I/my corp have sucessfully carried over 40 billion isk worth of ships and modules to and from Stain, lots of the time for complete strangers. - I am commited to building an economy - I will never quit
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.05 09:57:00 -
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I've nearly finished the website \o/ trouble is im not that great at making websites
now to add content
currently it consists of a standings list, forum, and a blog where we can tell of all our excellent adventures (and bogus journeys)
now i am hungry and would quite like some tuna.
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Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.05 10:26:00 -
[236]
So like, you guys need a few hours to earn a hundred million?
Man. ima sticking to high sec. This 0.0, renting or not sounds not worth it at all.
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BrutalButUnfair
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Posted - 2010.08.05 10:43:00 -
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Few hours? It's a bit random. Had a faction spawn yesterday. Dropped a true sansha large EMP smart bomb. This was within 5 minutes. So that's about 100 mil in 5 minutes. Also officers can spawn in stain in every system. These can net you a few billions. Ow and also later destroyed a convoy spawn worth more than 100 mil. So that's 200 mil in 2 hours not including the bounties. ( Think i made about 200 mil. (bounties + smart bomb) )
On average the income is slightly better than highsec LVL 4 missions i think.
Also renting not needed in NPC 0.0. Space is owned by the local rats and nobody else.
Greetz,
Brutal.
Originally by: Frozean So like, you guys need a few hours to earn a hundred million?
Man. ima sticking to high sec. This 0.0, renting or not sounds not worth it at all.
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Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.05 12:54:00 -
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Well... dont think im bought.
If its not way above 90m isk/hour, then i dont think its worth it even if its .1 risk.
So yeah. Dont think i will take the ma(sochistic)nly road yet. Guess ill stay in high sec. do missions, while having daytrading to the gold mine (jita market) and the contractings.
o well.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.08.05 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Roosterton on 05/08/2010 16:16:17
Originally by: Frozean Well... dont think im bought.
If its not way above 90m isk/hour, then i dont think its worth it even if its .1 risk.
So yeah. Dont think i will take the ma(sochistic)nly road yet. Guess ill stay in high sec. do missions, while having daytrading to the gold mine (jita market) and the contractings.
o well.
The point of 0.0 isn't to be easy. Similarly, the point of this game isn't to be easy. If all people cared about was making maximum isk/hr, people would never leave Jita.
That said, it is possible to make 90mil/hr in 0.0. Okay, not regularly, since ratting will make about 30mil/hr at most. But it's possible to solo a deadspace complex which doles out around 200mil+ for an hour's work. If you can't solo it, splitting with a friend will still get you about 100mil.
I highly encourage you to check it out. Even if you haven't had very much PVP experience or have never set foot out of highsec, it can open all kinds of possibilities which you otherwise wouldn't have tried.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:22:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 05/08/2010 16:16:17
Originally by: Frozean Well... dont think im bought.
If its not way above 90m isk/hour, then i dont think its worth it even if its .1 risk.
So yeah. Dont think i will take the ma(sochistic)nly road yet. Guess ill stay in high sec. do missions, while having daytrading to the gold mine (jita market) and the contractings.
o well.
The point of 0.0 isn't to be easy. Similarly, the point of this game isn't to be easy. If all people cared about was making maximum isk/hr, people would never leave Jita.
That said, it is possible to make 90mil/hr in 0.0. Okay, not regularly, since ratting will make about 30mil/hr at most. But it's possible to solo a deadspace complex which doles out around 200mil+ for an hour's work. If you can't solo it, splitting with a friend will still get you about 100mil.
I highly encourage you to check it out. Even if you haven't had very much PVP experience or have never set foot out of highsec, it can open all kinds of possibilities which you otherwise wouldn't have tried.
You touch on an interesting point there rooster, you're absolutely correct this game isnt just about isk per hour, what about adventure?
Being a sci-fi nut has open my mind and ive watched films and read books of amazing stories. This is my chance to be in one of those stories :)
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Gertrude Himmelfarb
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Posted - 2010.08.06 14:56:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Roosterton
The point of 0.0 isn't to be easy. Similarly, the point of this game isn't to be easy. If all people cared about was making maximum isk/hr, people would never leave Jita..
You touch on an interesting point there rooster, you're absolutely correct this game isnt just about isk per hour, what about adventure?
Being a sci-fi nut has open my mind and ive watched films and read books of amazing stories. This is my chance to be in one of those stories :)
I totally agree with this. In my view, it really helps to have a role playing streak in order to really enjoy Eve. Too many people think in terms of maximizing ISK/hour. Now, I am the first to admit that there is nothing wrong with that, and it in part stems from the competitive urge to be the best/have the highest score, etc. in any game.
But there are many other reasons why someone might want to spend time in the Eve world. For example, let's pretend you knew someone with a stressful day job doing statistical programming and data management. (hint: this could be a true scenario!) It might just be that for that person, the last thing they want to do is come home at night and pour over a spreadsheet managing buy and sell orders. Maybe, just maybe, they get a lot more satisfaction from slipping through gate camps in a covert ops ship, heading out to some remote and desolate system to do some scanning or heaven forbid even some mining! Sure, they could make more running level 4s or station trading, but is that the whole point?
By the same token, hardcore PvPers are very frank about the fact that they don't make much money in PvP and often need a trading or missioning alt to support their habit. Isn't PvP just another form of role playing?
All I am saying is, it is very possible to have a rich and rewarding game experience in Eve without approaching it as a profit maximization exercise.
[now can I have your stuff?]
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.08 14:05:00 -
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The preparation of this venture is going very well and weve managed to meet a few cool people.
weve had a couple of incidents involving reds which resulted in a ship loss for one of the guys that came down. His attitude about the loss was great and I think hes well on the path to learning how it goes in npc 0.0 we will help him build another ship and he will continue.
Were working hard to get The Garden website up and running.
Please feel free to check out channel "e-a public", come and be part of this wonderful venture.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.09 13:33:00 -
[243]
Hey Guys,
I'm a little bit baffled.
I calculate there are more than 15,000 pilots in hi-sec that will never set foot into NPC 0.0. Weve had a good response so far a few people have gotten involved and they can clearly see there really isnt much to be worried about. I'm wondering why more people havent taken the time to have a look at NPC 0.0.
I've got to have some respect for these super alliances and NBSI corps because they have been very successful in making the hi-sec population believe that they do not stand a chance in NPC 0.0.
Hi-sec guys, I feel it is my duty to once again tell you that you've been conned. Please do not believe the hype. The only way for the hostiles to stop you comming here is if they completly give up making isk. This will be impractical for the hostiles.
I can help you to setup here and once thats done there will be no stopping you. You'll have to accept that I am a mature man (33 years old) and I've been playing since the begining (over 7 years) so I do know what I'm talking about.
All we have to do is come together, work together, and stay together. Have a think about it. "e-a public" will always be open.
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Otto TheRed
Gallente Scions of Ithaca
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Posted - 2010.08.09 16:25:00 -
[244]
I can attest to what Aaron says.
1) I spent several weeks listening in on "E-A public" and reading through all the threadnaughts related to "hub zero" and the various neutral 0.0 hub projects. So I was very familiar with the extreme drama that had occurred over the past year or so (this didn't bother me).
2) Last week I flew down in my covops, crossing through 20-25 0.0 gates and barely saw a sole.
3) After arriving in Stain I set up safes, 200 km lookouts at stations and gates, and insta undocks.
4) Aaron and the others down here have been very helpful advising who to set red, and helping bring additional ships down by carrier.
5) I've already done a some belt ratting and including taking down a 1.8 million bounty Blood Tyrant with a Myrmidon and 5 hammerheads.
6) I am fully expecting to lose some ships to hostile players.
I am still splitting my time between 0.0, lowsec, and highsec, but 0.0 is certainly livable so long as you take the standard precautions. Oh and yes, logistics are tough, so plan well what you need to bring down.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.10 20:09:00 -
[245]
Ok, not long until we unveil The Garden website, I'd like to give a big massive uber thank you to Cat O Ninetails for all her hard work on it, we really could not have done this without you.
Anyone interested in The Garden can register there, already theres lots of content. It will be cool when it goes live.
Let's do this, Mannnnnnn!
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.08.10 23:36:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Otto TheRed
5) I've already done a some belt ratting and including taking down a 1.8 million bounty Blood Tyrant with a Myrmidon and 5 hammerheads.
Aaron moved the venture to Blood Raider space?
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.11 01:38:00 -
[247]
Despite all that has been said...
Aaron is a good leader because he has the only quality a good leader needs:
a strong will!
we had a little skirmish today.
He did not really win... but his will remains just as strong i am sure.
Here is what happened:
i ganked his vaga with my celestis. cos i'm that awesome yes i know.
then i gank his sleipnir and his buddy's deimos in front of his carrier with my tempest.
then i gank his zealot.. this time he didn't consider necessary to bring the carrier.
then i gank his drake in front of his falcon .. again with my tempest.
then i came here to brag about my victory.
I shall call it "Strong will hunting"
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.08.11 01:45:00 -
[248]
Edited by: Roosterton on 11/08/2010 01:54:19 Edited by: Roosterton on 11/08/2010 01:50:53
Originally by: Demolishar
Originally by: Otto TheRed
5) I've already done a some belt ratting and including taking down a 1.8 million bounty Blood Tyrant with a Myrmidon and 5 hammerheads.
Aaron moved the venture to Blood Raider space?
Not a bad idea, considering that Dalv always flies overly expensive active shield tanks which would be neuted to death when ratting...
Though really, I'm pretty sure the 1.8m blood BS isn't Tyrant.
EDIT: Actually, there isn't even a 1.8m Blood battleship. The closest thing is a 1.7m Blood Patriach or the 1.85m Blood Pope. So yeah, that was a typo and they must still be in Sansha space.
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
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Posted - 2010.08.11 02:06:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo
Here is what happened:
i ganked his vaga with my celestis. cos i'm that awesome yes i know.
then i gank his sleipnir and his buddy's deimos in front of his carrier with my tempest.
then i gank his zealot.. this time he didn't consider necessary to bring the carrier.
then i gank his drake in front of his falcon .. again with my tempest.
then i came here to brag about my victory.
If tree falls in Stain and no one hears it get podded, does it make a squish?
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Otto TheRed
Gallente Scions of Ithaca
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Posted - 2010.08.11 02:17:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Demolishar
Originally by: Otto TheRed
5) I've already done a some belt ratting and including taking down a 1.8 million bounty Blood Tyrant with a Myrmidon and 5 hammerheads.
Aaron moved the venture to Blood Raider space?
For the record: Sansha's Tyrant x1.
[just curious: "Demolishar" Couldn't find it in the OED - is it an actual word?]
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.11 03:23:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Aaron on 11/08/2010 03:25:25
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Despite all that has been said...
Aaron is a good leader because he has the only quality a good leader needs:
a strong will!
we had a little skirmish today.
He did not really win... but his will remains just as strong i am sure.
Here is what happened:
i ganked his vaga with my celestis. cos i'm that awesome yes i know.
then i gank his sleipnir and his buddy's deimos in front of his carrier with my tempest.
then i gank his zealot.. this time he didn't consider necessary to bring the carrier.
then i gank his drake in front of his falcon .. again with my tempest.
then i came here to brag about my victory.
I shall call it "Strong will hunting"
You are a good pvp'er and I made some mistakes,With the Vaga I forgot to turn on my invulner, lol. Me and my buddy were 1km out of my carrier repping range when I fought you with my sleipnir. Yeah it sucks for me but its only a game Dalv and I dont take it too seriously. And with the falcon I was 100km away the ECM failed.
Ultimatley dalv your tractics have lots of flaws. You cant beat my Domi and you never engage when I im in it.
I know you spend every moment of your life playing this game which is quite sad really, Your only focus is PVP and yes you are quite good at it. I only really log on to wind you up and I stay afk for most of the day as I have stuff to do.
As you can notice I have grown dalv, Im beyond arguing so intensely over a video game. This will be the last time I respond to anything you say.
You're out of order for insulting my mother over a video game, and you seem like a deppressed maniac for not letting go of this dispute you and your friends have had with me for almost a year. To be totally honest with you I feel quite sorry for you, seems Eve is all you have in life.
N.B. Dont worry about my ship loss dalv. I got billions that will comfortably cover it. but feel free to harrass me 24/7 it wont get you anywhere. :)
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.11 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 11/08/2010 05:20:51 Aaron...
probably the biggest R3tard ever to set foot in a spaceship.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.11 05:26:00 -
[253]
Ok I'd like to get the show on the road. So im going to do a promotion that will End on the 11th of september 2010.
I hereby pledge to offer pilots that come down a half price Battlecruiser (half of hi-sec price).
The terms of this are you must register on the garden website (when it goes live) and have an voice chat with myself or Dracvlad.
I'm very confident we can make a success of this, plus we got quite alot of resources just sitting in my corp hanger.
It might be a good idea to hang in "e-a public" and monitor this thread for announcements.
I'm a good kind guy, and have no problem doing this :)
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.11 05:36:00 -
[254]
Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 11/08/2010 05:38:20 Take Aaron's Battlecruiser.. Kill Aaron with it.
Tell him something nice about his mother. [ Warning: Irony! ]
And you get 2 free cruisers.
that's just how generous i am!
Aaron offers half a batllecruiser.
I offer half a battlecruiser and 2 cruisers!.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.11 11:50:00 -
[255]
As you can see for yourself dalv has a very nasty attitude. Try not to worry too much about him when you come down as hes very easy to avoid. I'd strongly advise putting him on block as he is clearly not well and has no idea how to interact socially.
We will be moving to a place where he can't follow and he will stay in my current location as he thinks thats what this fight is about.
Dont worry about the ships I have lost to dalv I can comfortably afford to take risks and indulge, we actually have very close fights everyday that normally end with him somehow managing to warp out in structure. He has lots of luck on his side.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.11 19:55:00 -
[256]
I had a good convo with one of the Local-Spike enemies today, hes a pretty cool dude I must say. I think he just needs to chill out a little bit.
This Local-Spike guy thinks this is all about me being a dictator and me getting my own way, this is not the case, Im going to try one more time to appeal to the likes of AOV/Local Spike and the rest of the hi-sec population. Im not bothering with dalv as he is too far gone. The other super alliances such as AAA/SE/BrickSquard are actually pretty cool and I think theyll be happy to go along with the role play.
ok, In clear english these are the goals I'd achieve.
- Open up a part of NPC 0.0 so that a loosley associated group of pilots/corps or alliances can set eachother blue and work a set of systems so that we can all benefit. I'd like for us to be open to having more corps/pilots join us and be blue.
Thats about it acctually lol.
I think its time AOV and Local-Spike helped out with this.
Gabriel, lets sit at a table and simply have a beer and talk. This thing is bigger than the both of us, Im happy to admit i was hard to deal with before. I know you can accept no one is perfect and everyone has their way of doing things i believe its a simple case of us finding some common ground and building on it. we both think eachother have made bad calls this will never change. whats important is that we are able to reason with eachother and move forward. I'll admit you've got skills, I got skills too. lets try to combine them and completly change the way this game is percieved forever. There has to be more to eve than gate camping and roaming, what about adventure?
Logicfx, Were quite similar in certain ways. I can understand were your comming from with the reason why you fell out with me in the first place. what ive come to learn is that people argue and fight, and they learn from their experiences. It just happened man, what can I say. One of your guys went and did somthing I had asked lots of times not to be done.
Tbh, It doesnt really matter what you decide, I can say that I do care to a small extent what you decide :) The fate of eve online depends on it.
If you decide to have nothing to do with it I guess Id only ask if you can tone down the obsession with killing me so relentlessly please dont give me your "im a target of oppertunity speech". forget the 24/7 hanging around me, forget the smak, go have some fun with all of your friends and forget about me.
All in the name of populating NPC 0.0.
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
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Posted - 2010.08.11 21:31:00 -
[257]
@ Logicfx -- I recognize that name.
Hmmm... when CVA eventually reclaims a little pocket again (because eventually they will) is AOV going to come running back to them and nuzzle up against their warm, role playing bosom . . . once again trumpeting NRDS policy?
I mention this because, well, plenty of corporations and alliances maintained their NRDS precedent after the entire SC rocked CVA's world. You guys however seem to be doing pretty much as you please. The speed in which so many of the "Provi Pets" chucked their "Moral Ideals" proves that they were just there to ride CVA's coattails and gain access to the Citadel Channel JUST so they could Cearbear ISK . . . just like everyone said they were.
So when Aralis is away, the kids will play?
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2010.08.11 21:54:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian @ Logicfx -- I recognize that name.
Hmmm... when CVA eventually reclaims a little pocket again (because eventually they will) is AOV going to come running back to them and nuzzle up against their warm, role playing bosom . . . once again trumpeting NRDS policy?
I mention this because, well, plenty of corporations and alliances maintained their NRDS precedent after the entire SC rocked CVA's world. You guys however seem to be doing pretty much as you please. The speed in which so many of the "Provi Pets" chucked their "Moral Ideals" proves that they were just there to ride CVA's coattails and gain access to the Citadel Channel JUST so they could Cearbear ISK . . . just like everyone said they were.
So when Aralis is away, the kids will play?
I don't speak on behalf of my alliance, but from what I've known AoV has always remained NRDS in Providence; however, we obey the rules of the space that we fly through to avoid obvious bad situations. That fact is highlighted on our own forums. Also, we're mostly in Providence because it's a nice place to PvP without the 400 man blobs. On another note, I also have an annoying sig. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.11 23:10:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian @ Logicfx -- I recognize that name.
Hmmm... when CVA eventually reclaims a little pocket again (because eventually they will) is AOV going to come running back to them and nuzzle up against their warm, role playing bosom . . . once again trumpeting NRDS policy?
I mention this because, well, plenty of corporations and alliances maintained their NRDS precedent after the entire SC rocked CVA's world. You guys however seem to be doing pretty much as you please. The speed in which so many of the "Provi Pets" chucked their "Moral Ideals" proves that they were just there to ride CVA's coattails and gain access to the Citadel Channel JUST so they could Cearbear ISK . . . just like everyone said they were.
So when Aralis is away, the kids will play?
Ok, so "Were NRDS" is just somthing one says to get into CVA Sov space, you dont have to have those ideals at your core?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.12 01:05:00 -
[260]
The Garden Website: Linkage Well done Cat. this really is amazing.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.12 10:44:00 -
[261]
hehe ty
its a work in progress lol :)
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Demolishar
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.08.12 10:46:00 -
[262]
Edited by: Demolishar on 12/08/2010 10:47:14
Originally by: Aaron The Garden Website: Linkage Well done Cat. this really is amazing.
ROFL I got "Suspicious Site Detected" from Zonealarm when I clicked that lol fail.
Yes i know what that really means but still rofl
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:11:00 -
[263]
Edited by: Roosterton on 12/08/2010 14:11:51 Cat is an evil hacker trying to kill all of our computers and take Stain for herself!
Though really, Demo got suspicious site detected on Youtube... |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.08.12 16:03:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Otto TheRed
Last week I flew down in my covops, crossing through 20-25 0.0 gates and barely saw a sole.
I hope not. A sole is a fish...
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.13 10:21:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 12/08/2010 14:11:51 Cat is an evil hacker trying to kill all of our computers and take Stain for herself!
Though really, Demo got suspicious site detected on Youtube...
nah i just trying to steal ur cookies to go with mah milk lol anyway i have put up eight tutorials on the forum for copy editing before i put them on the main page \o/ also i need to sort a theme out, blargh
all going well a friend of mine should be coming to visit us in stain soon so i hope everyone makes him feel welcome
xx
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.13 18:45:00 -
[266]
Edited by: Aaron on 13/08/2010 18:47:14 Edited by: Aaron on 13/08/2010 18:45:19
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 12/08/2010 14:11:51 Cat is an evil hacker trying to kill all of our computers and take Stain for herself!
Though really, Demo got suspicious site detected on Youtube...
nah i just trying to steal ur cookies to go with mah milk lol anyway i have put up eight tutorials on the forum for copy editing before i put them on the main page \o/ also i need to sort a theme out, blargh
all going well a friend of mine should be coming to visit us in stain soon so i hope everyone makes him feel welcome
xx
I've just had a good read of all the tutorials and I must say theres a wealth of information there that lots of the hi-sec guys would benefit from reading. Some of the greatest minds in eve have contributed to this and it would be quite a shame to miss out.
Get registered and have a look guys :) Eve Garden Website
The Garden Consortium strives to be the leaders in populating NPC 0.0.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.13 23:14:00 -
[267]
would these be interesting?
Global Flags etc General Knowledge Guide Fleet command, how can I help? Situational Awareness How to decloak covert ops or cloakers Tackler Basics PVP Basics Gate camp running
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Nykitah
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Posted - 2010.08.14 05:37:00 -
[268]
Edited by: Nykitah on 14/08/2010 05:39:16 No offense but there needs to be less forum posting and more action if you ever hope to achieve anything serious.
Not to mention, you need some serious combat pilots in your Alliance in order to do that, a rating below 50% isn't going to help at al.
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Deltronious
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.14 11:36:00 -
[269]
Aaron, I just think there are too many people who play eve to fight and kill each other for your corp to ever survive long. Anyone joining your corp would automatically be targeted as an easy kill to any passer by because you're always able to be jumped. The kind of world you're after does exist but its called project entropia or second life. You talk about adventure but what adventure are you talking about if its not fighting someone?
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NEMESIS SIN
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Posted - 2010.08.14 12:42:00 -
[270]
It is not like Stain would be hard to settle into. No one is even there...
The issue is the nature of the "scared carebear" It's sad how hard it is just to get them to mobilize your basic Drake army with any kind of reliability.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.14 19:22:00 -
[271]
Originally by: NEMESIS SIN It is not like Stain would be hard to settle into. No one is even there...
The issue is the nature of the "scared carebear" It's sad how hard it is just to get them to mobilize your basic Drake army with any kind of reliability.
This more than anything.
Tbh, i think im talked out lol.
It is a fact that thers no more than 11 guys on my case at the moment most of the time even less. If the guys in hi-sec cant understand that this is the only real obsticale that stands in our way then it will be difficult to populate npc 0.0.
The situation is compltely ridiculous, weve got hundreds of systems out here with no one in them. It aint nuthin but a couple of guys in battleships defending it .
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.14 19:28:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: NEMESIS SIN It is not like Stain would be hard to settle into. No one is even there...
The issue is the nature of the "scared carebear" It's sad how hard it is just to get them to mobilize your basic Drake army with any kind of reliability.
This more than anything.
Tbh, i think im talked out lol.
It is a fact that thers no more than 11 guys on my case at the moment most of the time even less. If the guys in hi-sec cant understand that this is the only real obsticale that stands in our way then it will be difficult to populate npc 0.0.
The situation is compltely ridiculous, weve got hundreds of systems out here with no one in them. It aint nuthin but a couple of guys in battleships defending it .
But but...
my brothers sisters cousins roommate said that the moment you leave high sec, your ship explodes instantly and your loss mail gets sent too all potential girl friends and CCP sends a dev to kick your sister and impregnate the dog.
It must be true because I was told it.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.14 21:03:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: NEMESIS SIN It is not like Stain would be hard to settle into. No one is even there...
The issue is the nature of the "scared carebear" It's sad how hard it is just to get them to mobilize your basic Drake army with any kind of reliability.
This more than anything.
Tbh, i think im talked out lol.
It is a fact that thers no more than 11 guys on my case at the moment most of the time even less. If the guys in hi-sec cant understand that this is the only real obsticale that stands in our way then it will be difficult to populate npc 0.0.
The situation is compltely ridiculous, weve got hundreds of systems out here with no one in them. It aint nuthin but a couple of guys in battleships defending it .
But but...
my brothers sisters cousins roommate said that the moment you leave high sec, your ship explodes instantly and your loss mail gets sent too all potential girl friends and CCP sends a dev to kick your sister and impregnate the dog.
It must be true because I was told it.
My uncles sons workmates sisters brother heard the minute you settle into an npc 0.0 system, you immiedietly get camped by a 3000 man hostile fleet.
AND THEN, your killmail gets forwarded to all prospective girlfriends and CCP sends a dev to kick your sister and impregnate the dog.
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.08.14 22:17:00 -
[274]
Aaron good to see you have lightened up a bit, it's a refreshing change from introducing yourself to potential recruits like this:
"Invitation to 0.0
Hi, u responded to the forum, heres the reply
The location of the system is UF-KKH, u can attempt to jump there if u wish, U WILL COME UP AGAINST GATE CAMPS AND DIE. "
Heh.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.14 23:43:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Deltronious Aaron, I just think there are too many people who play eve to fight and kill each other for your corp to ever survive long. Anyone joining your corp would automatically be targeted as an easy kill to any passer by because you're always able to be jumped. The kind of world you're after does exist but its called project entropia or second life. You talk about adventure but what adventure are you talking about if its not fighting someone?
Hey buddy hows it goin?
I think you may have missed the point there , the point of this venture is to simply have a group of guys who are blue to eachother regardless of corp/alliance and we are to achive the goal of populating 0.0 and building an economy.
The adventure comes from being able to overcome differences and work together and benefit from the success however, the more of us that choose to fight the safer we will be.
This is a game Deltron, and games can be manipulated in your favour if your ready to hook up with us and help us.
Eve can be so exciting when you're involved in a venture like this, in the past when i've helped other guys come down we had alot of fun taking on stain empire. A couple of them would engage us and we would retalliate, we got some good kills and so did the enemy. Shiploss was taken very well and we would rat/loot together to build ships for our friends.
All you've really got to do is come down in a destroyer, i can sell you a fitted one for cheap then working as a team we will make isk, youll see the potential then youll want to invest in a battlecruiser and gain the ability to earn on your own.
Theres a really cool set of guys in "e-a public" channel who will advise and assist you. Theres really nothing more I can say that'll help more people into 0.0, youve got all the info you need to make an informed decision. good luck and I hope to see you out here soon.
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2010.08.15 14:18:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Deltronious Aaron, I just think there are too many people who play eve to fight and kill each other for your corp to ever survive long. Anyone joining your corp would automatically be targeted as an easy kill to any passer by because you're always able to be jumped. The kind of world you're after does exist but its called project entropia or second life. You talk about adventure but what adventure are you talking about if its not fighting someone?
Hey buddy hows it goin?
I think you may have missed the point there , the point of this venture is to simply have a group of guys who are blue to eachother regardless of corp/alliance and we are to achive the goal of populating 0.0 and building an economy.
The adventure comes from being able to overcome differences and work together and benefit from the success however, the more of us that choose to fight the safer we will be.
This is a game Deltron, and games can be manipulated in your favour if your ready to hook up with us and help us.
Eve can be so exciting when you're involved in a venture like this, in the past when i've helped other guys come down we had alot of fun taking on stain empire. A couple of them would engage us and we would retalliate, we got some good kills and so did the enemy. Shiploss was taken very well and we would rat/loot together to build ships for our friends.
All you've really got to do is come down in a destroyer, i can sell you a fitted one for cheap then working as a team we will make isk, youll see the potential then youll want to invest in a battlecruiser and gain the ability to earn on your own.
Theres a really cool set of guys in "e-a public" channel who will advise and assist you. Theres really nothing more I can say that'll help more people into 0.0, youve got all the info you need to make an informed decision. good luck and I hope to see you out here soon.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.15 17:08:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Agent Known Psst, all destroyers are probably 5-10mil...
Jita prices actually
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.15 22:07:00 -
[278]
Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 15/08/2010 22:07:32 [22:03:00] Aaron > youll be trying for years to get me out of here lol
you don't know how wrong you are.
Please stay more, we are enjoying your company.
Few people have the opportunity to have theyr very own special r3tard living in theyr system.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.15 23:00:00 -
[279]
Edited by: Aaron on 15/08/2010 23:01:48
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 15/08/2010 22:07:32 [22:03:00] Aaron > youll be trying for years to get me out of here lol
you don't know how wrong you are.
Please stay more, we are enjoying your company.
Few people have the opportunity to have theyr very own special r3tard living in theyr system.
You seriously think you and the "i hate aaron" crew will make me leave here? Please continue your plans to harrass me but consider this, eve wont be fun for you anymore, youll have to give up a very large portion of your isk making time to defeat me. And because your only ambition is to ruin me you will become very bitter and take the game to seriously.
Not sure why I'm even bothering to reply to you dalv.
Goodbye Dalv o/
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.15 23:19:00 -
[280]
all snide snippets of conversations aside, i have had a pretty nice time here so far
i am hoping to arrange a bake sale soon lol \o/
x
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.08.16 01:02:00 -
[281]
I thought you were leaving to make a garden? No?
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.16 01:09:00 -
[282]
Well whatever happens, a bake sale would still be nice
I'm rather happy about how things are turning out :)
Unfortunately I did break a few hearts when I went on voice... sorry...
x
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Borntorule
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Posted - 2010.08.16 01:14:00 -
[283]
just lol
@Aaron: Great project mate, just don't give up on it.
@the "I hate Aaron" bffs: First of all, thx for the drama in all of Aarons threads here, very amusing but seriously grow up
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.16 01:25:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Well whatever happens, a bake sale would still be nice
Will upsidedown pineapple cake be involved in this?
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.16 01:27:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Well whatever happens, a bake sale would still be nice
Will upsidedown pineapple cake be involved in this?
Unlikely. Screw pineapple lol
x
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.16 01:32:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Well whatever happens, a bake sale would still be nice
Will upsidedown pineapple cake be involved in this?
Unlikely. Screw pineapple lol
x
Not much of a bake sale without upsidedown pinapple cake. Ok, please tell me ur gonna have apple and blackcurrent strudel?
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.16 01:35:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Well whatever happens, a bake sale would still be nice
Will upsidedown pineapple cake be involved in this?
Unlikely. Screw pineapple lol
x
Not much of a bake sale without upsidedown pinapple cake. Ok, please tell me ur gonna have apple and blackcurrent strudel?
gotta ask here: what do you want? stain defended, or delicious pastries?
starting to wonder why your brought me here now lol
x
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.16 03:37:00 -
[288]
We get free cake for coming out to 0.0? COOL!!!!
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.16 07:17:00 -
[289]
We have enough fruitcakes griefing Aaron...
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Mandrain
Amarr Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.08.16 13:50:00 -
[290]
Daschi u deadman:) if u 1 more time shoot in my drone... u know what happ if u do it 1 more time :)
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.08.16 13:56:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Mandrain Daschi u deadman:) if u 1 more time shoot in my drone... u know what happ if u do it 1 more time :)
he is was shot drones? :(((((
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BrutalButUnfair
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Posted - 2010.08.16 15:16:00 -
[292]
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Originally by: Mandrain Daschi u deadman:) if u 1 more time shoot in my drone... u know what happ if u do it 1 more time :)
he is was shot drones? :(((((
In A.D. 2101 War was beginning. Captain: What happen? Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb. Operator: We get signal. Captain: What! Operator: Main screen turn on. Captain: It's You!! Cats: How are you gentlemen!! Cats: All your base are belong to us. Cats: You are on the way to destruction. Captain: What you say!! Cats: You have no chance to survive make your time. Cats: Ha Ha Ha Ha .... Operator: Captain!! Captain: Take off every 'Zig'!! Captain: You know what you doing. Captain: Move 'Zig'. Captain: For great justice.
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JC Anderson
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.08.16 16:18:00 -
[293]
Originally by: BrutalButUnfair
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Originally by: Mandrain Daschi u deadman:) if u 1 more time shoot in my drone... u know what happ if u do it 1 more time :)
he is was shot drones? :(((((
In A.D. 2101 War was beginning. Captain: What happen? Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb. Operator: We get signal. Captain: What! Operator: Main screen turn on. Captain: It's You!! Cats: How are you gentlemen!! Cats: All your base are belong to us. Cats: You are on the way to destruction. Captain: What you say!! Cats: You have no chance to survive make your time. Cats: Ha Ha Ha Ha .... Operator: Captain!! Captain: Take off every 'Zig'!! Captain: You know what you doing. Captain: Move 'Zig'. Captain: For great justice.
*Snickers*
Actually I think drones should be renamed to Zigs.
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Sajad
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Posted - 2010.08.17 02:12:00 -
[294]
This can't possibly go wrong.
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BrutalButUnfair
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Posted - 2010.08.17 10:57:00 -
[295]
Originally by: JC Anderson
*Snickers*
Actually I think drones should be renamed to Zigs.
Exactly. Esp warrior II's they 'Zig' very fast
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Plocsk
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Posted - 2010.08.17 12:37:00 -
[296]
Edited by: Plocsk on 17/08/2010 12:38:19
"This is the Garden of Hub Zero. For thirteen generations we have protected it from NBSI. The Local-Spikes who came before you refused to join and were punished for this trespass. Like theirs, your ship has already defiled this holy place. If you have come to join we welcome you and will spare your ship until all have disembarked. If you have come to attack the Garden you will be removed at once. What are your intentions?"
heh just remembered this, very fitting...
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JC Anderson
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.08.17 13:14:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Plocsk Edited by: Plocsk on 17/08/2010 12:38:19
"This is the Garden of Hub Zero. For thirteen generations we have protected it from NBSI. The Local-Spikes who came before you refused to join and were punished for this trespass. Like theirs, your ship has already defiled this holy place. If you have come to join we welcome you and will spare your ship until all have disembarked. If you have come to attack the Garden you will be removed at once. What are your intentions?"
heh just remembered this, very fitting...
For some reason that reminded me of one of the old choose your own adventure books.... Or maybe Hunt The Wumpus.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.08.17 14:40:00 -
[298]
How in the world did I miss this thread.
Aaron, you are a persistent bugger, but you have vision and I respect that. I believe that you have now the experience from the first time through this to make a good go of it this time.
And you have Cat on board.
I put five votes for Cat for CSM. The queen of all that is righteous in EVE and notorious pirate killer :P
Alas, it is summer in my part of the world and I'm not ready to commit to anything like hub zero at this time. But come September, I will look over this thread again with great interest and see if I can't send a character or two to join you in your project.
Good luck with this, Aaron.
Mr Epeen
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.17 15:04:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Mr Epeen How in the world did I miss this thread.
Aaron, you are a persistent bugger, but you have vision and I respect that. I believe that you have now the experience from the first time through this to make a good go of it this time.
And you have Cat on board.
I put five votes for Cat for CSM. The queen of all that is righteous in EVE and notorious pirate killer :P
Alas, it is summer in my part of the world and I'm not ready to commit to anything like hub zero at this time. But come September, I will look over this thread again with great interest and see if I can't send a character or two to join you in your project.
Good luck with this, Aaron.
Mr Epeen
Thanks for your interest Mr Epeen, were looking at a few things at the moment and the people involved all understand that ventures like this take alot of time people just dont have.
Yes, I've learned a great deal from my first attempts which will help myself and those around me become sucessful.
Thanks again mate o/
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:08:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Few people have the opportunity to have theyr very own special r3tard living in theyr system.
I've noticed that since you moved in. Give it a rest already, people are laughing at you...
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JC Anderson
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.08.17 18:09:00 -
[301]
Edited by: JC Anderson on 17/08/2010 18:11:32
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Few people have the opportunity to have theyr very own special r3tard living in theyr system.
I've noticed that since you moved in. Give it a rest already, people are laughing at you...
Nah cant be...
In his next *I killed this and that post* I'm sure coolness factor will shoot through the roof. :/
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Krecian
Gallente Essence of Decay Black Cartel.
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:26:00 -
[302]
Edited by: Krecian on 17/08/2010 19:26:02
Originally by: Plocsk Edited by: Plocsk on 17/08/2010 12:38:19
"This is the Garden of Hub Zero. For thirteen generations we have protected it from NBSI. The Local-Spikes who came before you refused to join and were punished for this trespass. Like theirs, your ship has already defiled this holy place. If you have come to join we welcome you and will spare your ship until all have disembarked. If you have come to attack the Garden you will be removed at once. What are your intentions?"
heh just remembered this, very fitting...
Crap, that just made me want to reinstall Homeworld again. I'd forgotten about that game until now. --------- "The first rock thrown again, welcome to hell little saint. Mother Gia in slaughter, welcome to paradise soldier." -Nightwish, Planet Hell |
JC Anderson
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:47:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Krecian Edited by: Krecian on 17/08/2010 19:26:02
Originally by: Plocsk Edited by: Plocsk on 17/08/2010 12:38:19
"This is the Garden of Hub Zero. For thirteen generations we have protected it from NBSI. The Local-Spikes who came before you refused to join and were punished for this trespass. Like theirs, your ship has already defiled this holy place. If you have come to join we welcome you and will spare your ship until all have disembarked. If you have come to attack the Garden you will be removed at once. What are your intentions?"
heh just remembered this, very fitting...
Crap, that just made me want to reinstall Homeworld again. I'd forgotten about that game until now.
Ahh I had completely missed where that quote was from.
What was the name of that race that protected the garden?
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Intigo
Amarr Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.17 20:23:00 -
[304]
Lifetime kills 154 Lifetime losses 285
Pretty sure everyone loves the fact that you are there and no one wants you to leave, Aaron. It would appear you are a flying pi±ata for the locals. ___________________
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.08.17 20:34:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Intigo Lifetime kills 154 Lifetime losses 285
Pretty sure everyone loves the fact that you are there and no one wants you to leave, Aaron. It would appear you are a flying pi±ata for the locals.
I love people who pass judgement upon one glance at the killboard...
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.18 01:23:00 -
[306]
Aaron... killing your ships is a welcome break from all the boring ratting.
I love Mandrain.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.19 12:40:00 -
[307]
I've had alot of losses recently, things have changed alot and I have to accept that the people I used to fly with have moved on.
Recent experiences have shown me that folks like Last Rites, Rooster, Specctor, Lloyd, were doing an amazing job supporting me with PVP, we really got some good kills working together as a team. I really miss having them on my wing.
This isnt the end for me, I'm going to form new freindships with the guys that have come to help out with the garden. We will put our heads together and come up with new statagies and tactics that will help us to overcome the current threat.
With carful planning and intelligence we can be sucessful.
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deathkiller95
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Posted - 2010.08.19 13:31:00 -
[308]
Edited by: deathkiller95 on 19/08/2010 13:32:21 Edited by: deathkiller95 on 19/08/2010 13:32:11
Originally by: Aaron
freindships
I before E except after C.
Originally by: Aaron
statagies
Statagies to improve your stats?
Originally by: Aaron
carful
Full of cars? Can I have a Ferrari then pls?
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Featherhead
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Posted - 2010.08.19 13:46:00 -
[309]
wow some weird English teacher type person :o all we need now is godwins law and we're there! :D
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.19 14:11:00 -
[310]
Edited by: Aaron on 19/08/2010 14:14:24
Originally by: deathkiller95 Edited by: deathkiller95 on 19/08/2010 13:32:21 Edited by: deathkiller95 on 19/08/2010 13:32:11
Originally by: Aaron
freindships
I before E except after C.
Originally by: Aaron
statagies
Statagies to improve your stats?
Originally by: Aaron
carful
Full of cars? Can I have a Ferrari then pls?
LOL, yes i did spell friendship wrong. can you not see the other 2 are not spelling mistakes? I type very fast and sometimes dont fully press the keys.
EDIT: ooops, missed a C in successful also.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.20 00:39:00 -
[311]
Edited by: Aaron on 20/08/2010 00:39:36 The eve garden site looks really cool thanks to all the hard work Cat has done. We've had lots of talks about implementing the garden, and have ironed out a few policies.
We'd very much like lots of feedback from the community and as many registrations as possible.
Hope to see you down here soon, enjoy http://www.eve-garden.net/
EDIT: Spelling, Grammer.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.21 20:32:00 -
[312]
OK, It appears that Dalv and a large chunk of the "I hate Aaron" coalition have moved on and are no longer bothered to hassle me 23/7. Griefing is a difficult thing as there is allot of waiting around and you have to be prepared to give up lots of your precious little earning time.
It appears that I've come through another round of griefing, yes my losses were costly this has taken a small chunk of my assets however, im still in a very good position to earn back what I've lost.
I'm looking forward to assisting hi-sec guys and showing them the vast riches that exist out here, my initial method will be showing them how to earn lots while taking hardly any risk.
Good luck guys and I hope to see you all soon. :)
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.21 20:55:00 -
[313]
i like it out here in a way it is certainly a long way from defending rancer lol i am making new friends all the time and if nothing else the conversations are usually fun
drac added a couple of very good tutorials to our forum, certainly worth a read :)
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Culmen
Caldari Blood Phage Syndicate Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.08.22 01:16:00 -
[314]
You know you have a website now Aaron. You can post your updates there rather then on this thread. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.22 03:00:00 -
[315]
Doing stuff like this takes a long time, i'm a patient man and i'm happy to take my time and do this right. Odds are there's alot of you thinking about NPC 0.0 and how it goes here, I'll just have to keep bugging you till you come down
Try not to worry about the people that stalk me 23/7, people like me will always attract attention, good and bad. It is unfortunate because I have so much to offer and im not all about greed.
We may have found a way to get a clone out here for you without stress or any travelling, were trying hard to make it as easy as possible for ordinary people to get a foothold in NPC 0.0.
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Dreldor
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.08.22 04:41:00 -
[316]
There is no discussion here.
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JC Anderson
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.08.22 05:39:00 -
[317]
Don't mind seeing it here as its interesting to read what is currently happening.
If the thread wasn't around then any new players to the forums may not even see it to know there is a website with further info in the first place.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.22 06:03:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Dreldor There is no discussion here.
I disagree.
NPC 0.0 is bare. NPC 0.0 has vast resources and isk. Hi-Sec is full of people wanting to goto NPC 0.0. I am here to help people into NPC 0.0.
Get used to it Dreldor. you will not be able to stop us.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.08.22 08:52:00 -
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I think Dreldor is disappointed that this thread hasn't yet degenerated into a total flame war...
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.22 14:03:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
drac added a couple of very good tutorials to our forum, certainly worth a read :)
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Indeed, Drac came down here knowing absolutly nothing about surviving in NPC 0.0, he is very skilled and has listened to advice. He is now in a position to make billions down here and wishes to pass on this infomation so other cool dudes can can do it as well.
You've done very well Drac, thanks fo your unwavering support and advice. I dont know what I'd do if you wasnt working with me buddy.
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Liquldsteel
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Liquldsteel on 22/08/2010 17:39:43 A wee bit of advice Aaron , Do what you said earlier and simply ignore the troll\moron\ret@rd responces. dont even sink to the child mentality of them. pretty soon there mommies will make them do there chores. mmm who would have guessed ret@rd was a cuss word.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dreldor There is no discussion here.
What are you doing with local spike Dreldor?
Tbh I like you. my argument is not directed at you and the fact you still post here means somthing. You had a constructive attitude when you came on voice that time and I respected that. You've been very quick to assist the likes of Pathogen, Gabriel and Dalv however, this is something im prepared to forgive.
The mistake lots of people make is underestimating me, I lose ships yes. I've learnt how to get up, dust myself off and keep going when i've been knocked down and i'm a professional at it.
Please try to look at the bigger picture Dreldor and think about hooking up with us, As i've said i'm happy to wipe the slate clean and try again with you.
The problem is that the people you fight are pro's, and you must understand you will not win against such people as they will wear you down and eventually ruin you.
These people I speak of are also red to me and I will not hesitate to destroy them, however, I do respect them and will greet them and say good fight whatever the outcome.
Have a think about it Dreldor. you know it is possible for people to change.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:58:00 -
[323]
btw i have to download the eve client again and it is taking long
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron You've been very quick to assist the likes of Pathogen, Gabriel and Dalv however, this is something im prepared to forgive.
if you want your venture to be successful, you should seriously reconsider your attitude.
There are many ways to express the emphasized part without sounding like a demeaning jerk, yet you choose the one that makes any reasonable subsequent discussion impossible.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 22/08/2010 18:48:57
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Originally by: Aaron You've been very quick to assist the likes of Pathogen, Gabriel and Dalv however, this is something im prepared to forgive.
if you want your venture to be successful, you should seriously reconsider your attitude.
There are many ways to express the emphasized part without sounding like a demeaning jerk, yet you choose the one that makes any reasonable subsequent discussion impossible.
Having Dreldor involved in killing 2 billion or more of my ships is also demeaning. both dreldor and I have had to HTFU to live around here. neither of us are afraid to tell it how it is to each other, granted, I would not talk to a person I did'nt know in this manner.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.08.22 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Pompous on 22/08/2010 19:01:43
Originally by: Aaron Having Dreldor involved in killing 2 billion or more of my ships is also demeaning. both dreldor and I have had to HTFU to live around here. neither of us are afraid to tell it how it is to each other, granted, I would not talk to a person I did'nt know in this manner.
Unfortunately, to my mind, killing ships and being killed in return is an integral part of this game, and therefore can't really see how it's demeaning.
e: also;
Quote: EDIT: Spelling, Grammer.
You can't make this stuff up! ---
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.22 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous Edited by: Captain Pompous on 22/08/2010 19:01:43
Originally by: Aaron Having Dreldor involved in killing 2 billion or more of my ships is also demeaning. both dreldor and I have had to HTFU to live around here. neither of us are afraid to tell it how it is to each other, granted, I would not talk to a person I did'nt know in this manner.
Unfortunately, to my mind, killing ships and being killed in return is an integral part of this game, and therefore can't really see how it's demeaning.
e: also;
Quote: EDIT: Spelling, Grammer.
You can't make this stuff up!
:) , you make it sound so simple. its a bit different when its someone you quite like and never had any real reason to fall out with them in the first place.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.22 21:24:00 -
[328]
Hmmm, your giving advice on attitude, wow!!!!
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Originally by: Aaron You've been very quick to assist the likes of Pathogen, Gabriel and Dalv however, this is something im prepared to forgive.
if you want your venture to be successful, you should seriously reconsider your attitude.
There are many ways to express the emphasized part without sounding like a demeaning jerk, yet you choose the one that makes any reasonable subsequent discussion impossible.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.26 14:29:00 -
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It's very interesting down here in Stain at the moment, my crew and I have been able to turn it around somewhat and have gotten a couple of kills on our enemies. A few old friends of mine have returned to the area and have offered us assistance.
We have successfully carried out 2 hotdrops on our enemies with the help of our friends and will continue attacking until our enemies leave the system. We have informed our enemies that if they simply stop hanging around our system we will have no reason to engage them however, these are very stubborn enemies were dealing with and I can see that it will take a couple more losses to get them to leave the system.
For now they are not risking any ship above battlecrusier so the enemies fly around in cov-ops, frigs, and cruisers.
For those of you that are still interested in building something here it is important that you understand that the hostiles cannot do anything to us at this stage, a little bit of communication will ensure we dont lose any ships. Please be aware that it is couple of 2009 players that try to camp 23/7, they are not very powerful and are inexperienced.
I know seeing reds in local is somewhat daunting, the way we deal with them is teamwork, we simply need to work as a team, communicate and have fun.
The people in e-a public channel, and the people still interested in joining, do not let a couple of inexperienced 2009 guys stand in the way of you earning billions here.
I got an officer spawn yesterday, it was Selynne and the contents added up to about 1.1 billion, I was only in the belts ratting for 45 minutes. This is the exact reason why I fight so hard to stay here, If I can find a couple of hours to rat today I'll probably get another officer. In the past 2 weeks I have earned approx 6 billion just from officer spawns. Theres no way in hell a couple of 2009 players are gonna stop me from getting these goodies.
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Wolfcheck
Pack o' Wolves
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Posted - 2010.08.26 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton There are many ways to express the emphasized part without sounding like a demeaning jerk, yet you choose the one that makes any reasonable subsequent discussion impossible.
Having Dreldor involved in killing 2 billion or more of my ships is also demeaning. both dreldor and I have had to HTFU to live around here. neither of us are afraid to tell it how it is to each other, granted, I would not talk to a person I did'nt know in this manner.
Dunno about Dreldor, but I'm far too old to have people patronize me. And patronizing is what your sentence was, I agree with pinkerton. Dreldor might like it this way, dunno.
Destroying 2 billions or 200 billions of ships is not "demeaning". It's just the game we're all playing. Or you believed 0.0 involved only consensual PVP?
Also, between all the people who said "you underestimate me" that I spoke with, about 99% were deluded fools. To be honest, I left the 1% just because I can't remember a single instance when it wasn't that way. And I'm not speakig of eve only. Yet maybe Aaron is god's gift to us high-seccers. I dunno and probably won't ever. I'd rather try my luck by myself before settling with one with such an attitude, though. My opinion.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:23:00 -
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I do have an attitude at times, I feel it is for good reason.
Dreldor and a few others like him did not have any dispute with me directly. It is my opinion that he could have stayed neutral from all arguments I had with friends of his.
The key thing is that I was betrayed by dreldor and a few others, some of them were very cool and said they would join the other side but would not aggro me, i respected this.
Its funny, even though ive been betrayed im still trying to bury the hatchet with dreldor, for my troubles I get told I have an attitude.
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Plocsk
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
Dreldor and a few others like him did not have any dispute with me directly.
I thought you once used his ship for target practice?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:37:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Plocsk
Originally by: Aaron
Dreldor and a few others like him did not have any dispute with me directly.
I thought you once used his ship for target practice?
No, this is incorrect.
me firing at dreldor was an accident, I came on voice explained this and apologised.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.26 21:43:00 -
[334]
lol @ hi-sec pilots waiting for CCP to do something about 0.0 population.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.08.27 00:23:00 -
[335]
I said GF to you earlier but you did not respond. Needless to say i was offended. Good day.
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Daschi
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Posted - 2010.08.27 02:30:00 -
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reading some of this here is my constructive critics:
if u care to help ppl as u say all the time , just give up on uf-kkh and move on. u keep attention whooring by stubornly staying at uf-
and for thouse who dont know im one of thouse non skilled expirienced 2009 toons, if u look from aarons point of view, however i leave the decission to u, check killboards and decide urself.
and 4 the trillionst time : im not here becouse of u !
Ps: the hotdrops were done my IMM all u had part in may at most be relaying intell thats it. PS to Aaron: spare explaining this 4 i wount reply to this anymore
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.27 04:26:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Daschi reading some of this here is my constructive critics:
if u care to help ppl as u say all the time , just give up on uf-kkh and move on. u keep attention whooring by stubornly staying at uf-
and for thouse who dont know im one of thouse non skilled expirienced 2009 toons, if u look from aarons point of view, however i leave the decission to u, check killboards and decide urself.
and 4 the trillionst time : im not here becouse of u !
Ps: the hotdrops were done my IMM all u had part in may at most be relaying intell thats it. PS to Aaron: spare explaining this 4 i wount reply to this anymore
It seems you've moved on. good luck.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.27 05:30:00 -
[338]
Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 27/08/2010 05:32:17
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Daschi reading some of this here is my constructive critics:
if u care to help ppl as u say all the time , just give up on uf-kkh and move on. u keep attention whooring by stubornly staying at uf-
and for thouse who dont know im one of thouse non skilled expirienced 2009 toons, if u look from aarons point of view, however i leave the decission to u, check killboards and decide urself.
and 4 the trillionst time : im not here becouse of u !
Ps: the hotdrops were done my IMM all u had part in may at most be relaying intell thats it. PS to Aaron: spare explaining this 4 i wount reply to this anymore
It seems you've moved on. good luck.
That's the sort of thing I predict.
They will be angry at first, for their ISK cow is disrupted. Then they attack, and they they realize it's better to move on and make ISK.
Kind of like politics. You can be productive all your life, or be a politician trying to change the way people do things, without realizing that people would do what they want anyway - in the end that is.
People come out to 0.0 to do what they want, it's the end of any alliances in control of NPC space. It would be cheaper for them to fight for and maintain SOV in another system at a certain point because trying to get rid of people is ISK not made, and that's ISK lost. It's the reverse application of an old adage that a penny saved is a penny earned. It works both ways.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.27 08:24:00 -
[339]
Your forgetting your recent loss of a ratting Geddon, that was just us...
Originally by: Daschi reading some of this here is my constructive critics:
if u care to help ppl as u say all the time , just give up on uf-kkh and move on. u keep attention whooring by stubornly staying at uf-
and for thouse who dont know im one of thouse non skilled expirienced 2009 toons, if u look from aarons point of view, however i leave the decission to u, check killboards and decide urself.
and 4 the trillionst time : im not here becouse of u !
Ps: the hotdrops were done my IMM all u had part in may at most be relaying intell thats it. PS to Aaron: spare explaining this 4 i wount reply to this anymore
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Wolfcheck
Pack o' Wolves
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Posted - 2010.08.27 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Dreldor and a few others like him did not have any dispute with me directly. It is my opinion that he could have stayed neutral from all arguments I had with friends of his.
His opinion apparently differs.
Quote: The key thing is that I was betrayed by dreldor and a few others, some of them were very cool and said they would join the other side but would not aggro me, i respected this.
It's kind of ridicolous that I have to tell you this... but you have to understand that aggro and fights and even ship destroyed in EVE are not personal - unless specifically stated. If someone left you to join me and we're enemies, in an hypothetical situation, I'd expect him to take you down. Also, I'm not sure what this "betrayal" was - not really important, but again... it's business. It's always business. Never personal.
If I was living in your area and you came in with a bunch of people planning to stay, I'd do my best to force you out. There are two main strategies: one is catch targets of opportunity and gank them clean and fast, repeat continuosly. In the end the destruction of operations and the sheer isk loss will just demoralize them. The other is get the leader and gank him hard and fast and as often as you can, whether he's got support or not. The whole point in this is, again, showing force.
The isk lost or not gained during this is irrelevant, just like a trader undercutting another, this is an investment in future gains. It's all about protecting "your" assets. As much as they or you claim it's personal, I seriously doubt any serious alliance would spend most of their assets in a vain manhunt. Spare some pilots for fun, yes. Go all out for a simple vendetta? I can't see that as a smart move. Unless it's related to the above: protecting one's turf. Turf is everything.
Quote: Its funny, even though ive been betrayed im still trying to bury the hatchet with dreldor, for my troubles I get told I have an attitude.
That sounded patronizing and an offer from a superior to an inferior. If you want to bury hatchets you should talk from peer to peer. But of course, that's just my opinion - maybe your dealings with Dreldor are always been like that.
Again, all this is just in my opinion.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.08.27 09:06:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Dracvlad Hmmm, you're giving advice on attitude, wow!!!!
I also give advice on spelling
Might drop by some time these days, iirc I still have a jumpclone (and some mineral stashes) down there.
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Billy Colorado
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.08.27 09:47:00 -
[342]
Edited by: Billy Colorado on 27/08/2010 09:48:28 Just read the OP.
I'm a very new player... and this is a very interesting idea. I'm based in Hek, and local is awash in constant smack and players goading one another. I don't mind. But it seems like a boring endeavor, more or less - can flipping and the like.
If portions of 0.0 were controlled by corps that have a not red don't shoot policy, I think it would open the game up enormously to pirates. In a good way.
Those station gamers with itchy fingers would probably see opportunity to start fights, and quickly lose sec status. Thus becoming pirates.
I guess, ultimately, it would make being a pirate more meaningful. When I go through low sec, I assume everyone wants to kill me. It seems like it would be more interesting if this wasn't how it was happening in null...
I don't know, it's late...
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.08.27 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 27/08/2010 10:44:29
Originally by: Billy Colorado
Just read the OP.
Other players will see such an area as a target rich enviroment. Oh and most people dont mine in Stain 1. Its boring as hell 2. Ore is equal to Amarr highsec unless you probe a mining site.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.27 11:43:00 -
[344]
And my spelling needs it,
Well you are quite welcome to come down as you want, I for one will not bother you and of course you are the sort of person who adds to the economy, good luck.
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Originally by: Dracvlad Hmmm, you're giving advice on attitude, wow!!!!
I also give advice on spelling
Might drop by some time these days, iirc I still have a jumpclone (and some mineral stashes) down there.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.27 12:24:00 -
[345]
I wrote out three replies to this and each time the website asked me for my login details and lost what I typed. There is enough evidence in this thread that it is more than just real estate.
And my opinion is that this is a pack animal attitude about getting someone who is different, confident and mature people do not get upset over someone coming over as slightly pompus, people looking for any reason do. But you need to understand the previous events to understand the conflict, I did.
Originally by: Wolfcheck
Originally by: Aaron Dreldor and a few others like him did not have any dispute with me directly. It is my opinion that he could have stayed neutral from all arguments I had with friends of his.
His opinion apparently differs.
Quote: The key thing is that I was betrayed by dreldor and a few others, some of them were very cool and said they would join the other side but would not aggro me, i respected this.
It's kind of ridicolous that I have to tell you this... but you have to understand that aggro and fights and even ship destroyed in EVE are not personal - unless specifically stated. If someone left you to join me and we're enemies, in an hypothetical situation, I'd expect him to take you down. Also, I'm not sure what this "betrayal" was - not really important, but again... it's business. It's always business. Never personal.
If I was living in your area and you came in with a bunch of people planning to stay, I'd do my best to force you out. There are two main strategies: one is catch targets of opportunity and gank them clean and fast, repeat continuosly. In the end the destruction of operations and the sheer isk loss will just demoralize them. The other is get the leader and gank him hard and fast and as often as you can, whether he's got support or not. The whole point in this is, again, showing force.
The isk lost or not gained during this is irrelevant, just like a trader undercutting another, this is an investment in future gains. It's all about protecting "your" assets. As much as they or you claim it's personal, I seriously doubt any serious alliance would spend most of their assets in a vain manhunt. Spare some pilots for fun, yes. Go all out for a simple vendetta? I can't see that as a smart move. Unless it's related to the above: protecting one's turf. Turf is everything.
Quote: Its funny, even though ive been betrayed im still trying to bury the hatchet with dreldor, for my troubles I get told I have an attitude.
That sounded patronizing and an offer from a superior to an inferior. If you want to bury hatchets you should talk from peer to peer. But of course, that's just my opinion - maybe your dealings with Dreldor are always been like that.
Again, all this is just in my opinion.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.08.27 12:29:00 -
[346]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 27/08/2010 12:29:17
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace 2. Ore is equal to Amarr highsec unless you probe a mining site.
Named Arknor in Amarr Highsec... NICE!!!
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.27 12:41:00 -
[347]
Come down and I will help you.
Originally by: Billy Colorado Edited by: Billy Colorado on 27/08/2010 10:12:28 Edited by: Billy Colorado on 27/08/2010 10:05:58 Edited by: Billy Colorado on 27/08/2010 09:48:28 Just read the OP.
I'm a very new player. Having said that, I've quickly picked up on a few of the dynamics of EvE. Pirates resort to gate-camping because not a lot of people visit low sec or null if they're comfortable in high sec. The risks seem to outweigh the rewards. Everyone in local is presumably a hostile.
If portions of null were controlled or heavily populated by corps that had NRDS policies, more people might come through. A player might stop assuming, given the region, that everyone is there for a fight. This would open up a few things, to my eye, that would improve EvE. I'll try to elaborate, but it's late, and this is already being re-edited for coherency.
I'm based in Hek, and local is awash in constant smack. Players kill huge amounts of time goading one another. I don't mind. But it seems like a boring endeavor - can flipping and the like.
What these people need is incentive. Reasons to go visit null, and blow up a few hapless miners, etc... They'd lose sec status, and become pirates. Reds.
And pirating might be revitalized by this. As would it's counterpart, bounty hunting. Well, if there was a well thought out mechanic for player bounty hunting.
I guess, ultimately, it would make being a pirate more meaningful. When I go through low sec, I assume everyone wants to kill me. It seems like it would be more interesting if this wasn't how it was happening in null.
How often do people mine low sec or null sec, unless they have an enormous cadre of escorts? Like I said earlier, I'm a new player. Seems like player policed regions could strike this balance, giving opportune hunting grounds for pirates, and a reasonably defensible region for non affiliated players who are there to do whatever it may be.
Ultimately, I think figuring out ways to increase the population of the more lawless regions of EvE would improve the game enormously, and I find Aaron's approach very interesting.
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Otto TheRed
Gallente Scions of Ithaca
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Posted - 2010.08.27 16:30:00 -
[348]
Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Otto TheRed
Last week I flew down in my covops, crossing through 20-25 0.0 gates and barely saw a sole.
I hope not. A sole is a fish...
Thanks, this definitely clarifies things. Was using my Nat Pagle's Extreme Angler fishing pole and my fishing skill didn't increase AT ALL!
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.27 16:38:00 -
[349]
Ah, so it appears Daschi and his friend havent moved on...
Theres a few problems I can see here, Daschi says that hes not in the system because of me when infact the only reason he is there is because me and my buddies.
What Daschi now has to accept is that there are a bunch of guys who are pretty good at deconstruction itching to hotdrop his frigate. Daschi now has to decide if its worth being constantly killed in this manner, He will not know when I am baiting him, this will make it almost impossible for him to attack us.
Daschi's only real options are to either move, or stay and lose ships. I must say I'm very suprised that he has chosen to stay when there are lots of systems around here that are totally bare, he could go to one of them and make billions.
Also it seems local-spike are not in a position to help you as much as you would like daschi, their numbers are dwindling and their attacks are predictable.
Know this Daschi, I will move from here when I am ready, and there is nothing you can do to stop me. Most of your time will be spent docked up and if you attempt to use this system as your base I will ensure all your ratting ships are destroyed with extreme predjudice.
You have entered the realm of personal disputes, My friends like guys like you because you never know when to quit and move on and we are sure to get some very good kills on you.
I'm done debating with the likes of you Daschi you are out of your league here.
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Billy Colorado
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.08.27 19:05:00 -
[350]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 27/08/2010 10:44:29 Other players will see such an area as a target rich enviroment. Oh and most people dont mine in Stain 1. Its boring as hell 2. Ore is equal to Amarr highsec unless you probe a mining site.
I'm not suggesting that everyone moves to EvE garden. Just, that if more corps had that sort of policy, it would change the dynamic of EvE. It would create a target rich environment, but most of the pirates I've run into have extremely low sec status. For instance, Negative Ten. And people would be watching local.
I've been reading a LOT about low sec and null being broken, and it does seem to look that way. I'm suggesting that maybe it's because of the way the players treat these regions.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.08.27 23:23:00 -
[351]
Originally by: Billy Colorado
XXX
I cant think of anyone who moved back to highsec after living in Lowsec/0.0, its all about taking the leap. To me this is not about who you join, just get the frack out of highsec Regarding null/lowsec beeing broken, i wish they made more of the 0.0 regions bordering to empire NPC held. Sov. 0.0 is full of meanies
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:08:00 -
[352]
I agree, once you have gone to 0.0 you never want to spend all your time in High Sec. People really should try 0.0 and I can suggest that NPC 0.0 is the easiest step.
In terms of the idea of making the boders NPC 0.0 that would help a let, one negative aspect that will occur is that the pirate low sec people will also start operating to a much greater degree in NPC 0.0. Stain, Blood Raiders and Venal require passing through Sov space which is doable, but puts off a lot of people, it also has the advantage that people cannot just roam into these areas. In fact that would make NPC 0.0 as difficult as low sec, perhaps not...
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Originally by: Billy Colorado
XXX
I cant think of anyone who moved back to highsec after living in Lowsec/0.0, its all about taking the leap. To me this is not about who you join, just get the frack out of highsec Regarding null/lowsec beeing broken, i wish they made more of the 0.0 regions bordering to empire NPC held. Sov. 0.0 is full of meanies
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.28 12:15:00 -
[353]
Just you wait hehehe
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Plocsk
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Posted - 2010.08.28 14:09:00 -
[354]
Originally by: Dracvlad I agree, once you have gone to 0.0 you never want to spend all your time in High Sec.
I dunno about that, being able to train faster due to expensive implants has a lot going for it...
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:14:00 -
[355]
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Just you wait hehehe
We will be waiting and we will have alot of fun with you. I understand your tactics now, you consistantly insult my mother to get me angry and then pvp with me. It wont work this time, I will outclass you and outlast you.
We will never submit to your ways and will battle with you till the end of time itself.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Just you wait hehehe
We are waiting, by the way we have been waiting since AAA said they would hotdrop you in a rifter, you took down your POS and did not log on for a week, I guess they are waiting... hehehe as you say!
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.08.28 21:14:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Just you wait hehehe
Responding to a pointless Dalv post.
From the UK!
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.28 21:45:00 -
[358]
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Just you wait hehehe
Responding to a pointless Dalv post.
From the UK!
ROOSTER!!!, hey, hope ur having a great time over here
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.28 21:49:00 -
[359]
Under no circumstance, at any time, can a "superior force" defeat a stateless irregular one. If 0.0 flooded with this concept that Aaron is proposing, it would be opened up fully. Yes there will be more risk than high sec, but no amount of forum trolls posting tales of instadeath upon leaving high sec will work at that point.
It will be so much and so good that there will be endless trolling posts asking CCP to get rid of NPC space in 0.0 and drone regions. The milk cow is going to be pulled out of many barns.
And to fight it at all is to lose. Through the chagrin of many, I can make RL comparisons like Afghanistan Iraq.
More on 4GW
Fourth Generation Warfare is defined as conflicts which involve the following elements:
* Are complex and long term * Terrorism (tactic) * A non-national or transnational base--highly decentralized * A direct attack on the enemy's culture * Highly sophisticated psychological warfare, especially through media manipulation and lawfare * All available pressures are used - political, economic, social and military * Occurs in low intensity conflict, involving actors from all networks * Non-combatants are tactical dilemmas * Lack of hierarchy * Small in size, spread out network of communication and financial support * Use of Insurgency and Guerilla tactics
(Hey how did the term "lawfare" get into a Wikipedia entry? That's not even a year old. Lawfare can be something comparable to declaring something an exploit when it's not, and trying to troll up enough support to change the perception of game mechanics. A RL example of that is how television changes the masses perception of a law or right so much that even the police wrongly handle cases).
Once more, I must remind people, that you can get to 0.0 without having to deal with the gank pipelines. WH bridging is the way to go. It might take some time - so inject some skills and enjoy the ride.
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.28 22:09:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Under no circumstance, at any time, can a "superior force" defeat a stateless irregular one.
I beg your pardon, but this is just not true. Not in real life, and doubly definitely not in EVE.
In fact stateless irregular forces can almost never defeat "superior forces". The idea that they can is popular with comic-book readers and film-makers who glorify the individualist maverick hero, but offhand I can't think of a single instance of irregulars defeating regulars superior state forces unless those irregulars were also assisted by another regular force, whereas examples of irregulars losing to regulars are very common.
Now irregulars can increase the cost of occupation, and they can inflict damage out of proportion to their resources - but only to a certain extent. Signed, Pheusia |
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.28 23:16:00 -
[361]
Edited by: Aaron on 28/08/2010 23:23:58 Edited by: Aaron on 28/08/2010 23:16:07
Originally by: Pheusia
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Under no circumstance, at any time, can a "superior force" defeat a stateless irregular one.
In fact stateless irregular forces can almost never defeat "superior forces". The idea that they can is popular with comic-book readers and film-makers who glorify the individualist maverick hero,
This is dependent on how you define the word defeat. This is a fantasy role playing game and it can be somewhat manipulated by the players. My enemies can never defeat me however, they can cost me and delay me.
I am using some elements of 4GW, people like me endeavor to be in a "regular force" fighting for good ideals.
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deathkiller95
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Posted - 2010.08.28 23:43:00 -
[362]
Originally by: Aaron This is a fantasy role playing game
Oooh, bad word choice...
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.29 07:41:00 -
[363]
Originally by: Pheusia
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Under no circumstance, at any time, can a "superior force" defeat a stateless irregular one.
I beg your pardon, but this is just not true. Not in real life, and doubly definitely not in EVE.
In fact stateless irregular forces can almost never defeat "superior forces". The idea that they can is popular with comic-book readers and film-makers who glorify the individualist maverick hero, but offhand I can't think of a single instance of irregulars defeating regulars superior state forces unless those irregulars were also assisted by another regular force, whereas examples of irregulars losing to regulars are very common.
Now irregulars can increase the cost of occupation, and they can inflict damage out of proportion to their resources - but only to a certain extent.
People who love the old ways always say that.
Yes, an insurgent or counter-insurgent force does not defeat a superior force.
Instead the superior force will bleed to death trying to destroy the irregulars.
They don't call the Pakistan-Afghanistan region the Graveyard of Empires for nothing.
Look at it this way: when you field a 40 million dollar main battle tank to blow up guys in old pickup trucks, and considering the cost of fielding and maintaining that hardware, plus crew training, replacement parts, and logistics of getting it there and keeping it fueled, the force with the tank already lost.
Thus if you take that battleship or T2 BC out to go hunt down noobs in 0.0 in their frigates and T1 C/BC that cost a mere fraction, you already lost. They are still going to replace that ship easier, and the amount of ISK lost in the endeavor is minus one replacement, bringing us back to the "penny saved is a penny earned" approach, where ISK not earned is ISK spent. Even if the present residents instapwn the noobs, they are not making ISK.
If they lose a ship in the endeavor, their cost is astronomical. The noobs need only occasionally take one down and the cost of the fighting is still in their favor.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:15:00 -
[364]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 29/08/2010 12:15:29
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Stuff
Because your post is surprisingly well thought out and intelligent, I will return the favor
The only reason why you might think that an Irregular Force can stand a chance VS a Regular force is because modern warfare is applying Human Morality. Without the concept of laws of war or moral context, any weaker force can be obliterated easily, quickly and with total impunity.
In EVE Online there are no morals of war, and this is the golden age of Titan and Supercarrier hotdrops. So unless you expect people to band together in tech I frigate swarms with goonswarm-like organization (which they won't) your reference does not apply. Even if it did, it is untimely incorrect, for it requires moral action on part of the Regular Force to give the Irregular Force a fighting chance. As I said there are no morals in EVE.
That being said, if every scared carebear in empire hopped into a Drake and fleeted up, they could have Delve all to themselves. They do not because they are scared carebears...
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.29 12:48:00 -
[365]
I agree with this totally.
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 29/08/2010 12:15:29
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Stuff
Because your post is surprisingly well thought out and intelligent, I will return the favor
The only reason why you might think that an Irregular Force can stand a chance VS a Regular force is because modern warfare is applying Human Morality. Without the concept of laws of war or moral context, any weaker force can be obliterated easily, quickly and with total impunity.
In EVE Online there are no morals of war, and this is the golden age of Titan and Supercarrier hotdrops. So unless you expect people to band together in tech I frigate swarms with goonswarm-like organization (which they won't) your reference does not apply. Even if it did, it is untimely incorrect, for it requires moral action on part of the Regular Force to give the Irregular Force a fighting chance. As I said there are no morals in EVE.
That being said, if every scared carebear in empire hopped into a Drake and fleeted up, they could have Delve all to themselves. They do not because they are scared carebears...
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.29 14:31:00 -
[366]
Indeed Drac, Eternum.
Fear plays an important part in this venture, the idea is to feel the fear and do it anyway. This venture was specificly designed to make people work together and understand each others strengths and weaknesses.
Fear will stop you from achieving anything and will most likley make you stay within your comfort zone. I've done similar ventures in the past and I know a complete carebear can become an integral part of a pvp fleet, I've seen it with my own eyes.
Its a great atmosphere around here as a few of the guys that came down are starting to come out of their comfort zone and contribute to the cause. Its great to see them advising eachother, and fleeting up to rat or plex.
I'm very enthusiastic about more people comming down and getting involved, I will do my very best to support you.
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.29 16:44:00 -
[367]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Pheusia
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Under no circumstance, at any time, can a "superior force" defeat a stateless irregular one.
I beg your pardon, but this is just not true. Not in real life, and doubly definitely not in EVE.
In fact stateless irregular forces can almost never defeat "superior forces". The idea that they can is popular with comic-book readers and film-makers who glorify the individualist maverick hero, but offhand I can't think of a single instance of irregulars defeating regulars superior state forces unless those irregulars were also assisted by another regular force, whereas examples of irregulars losing to regulars are very common.
Now irregulars can increase the cost of occupation, and they can inflict damage out of proportion to their resources - but only to a certain extent.
People who love the old ways always say that.
Yes, an insurgent or counter-insurgent force does not defeat a superior force.
Instead the superior force will bleed to death trying to destroy the irregulars.
They don't call the Pakistan-Afghanistan region the Graveyard of Empires for nothing.
Look at it this way: when you field a 40 million dollar main battle tank to blow up guys in old pickup trucks, and considering the cost of fielding and maintaining that hardware, plus crew training, replacement parts, and logistics of getting it there and keeping it fueled, the force with the tank already lost.
Thus if you take that battleship or T2 BC out to go hunt down noobs in 0.0 in their frigates and T1 C/BC that cost a mere fraction, you already lost. They are still going to replace that ship easier, and the amount of ISK lost in the endeavor is minus one replacement, bringing us back to the "penny saved is a penny earned" approach, where ISK not earned is ISK spent. Even if the present residents instapwn the noobs, they are not making ISK.
If they lose a ship in the endeavor, their cost is astronomical. The noobs need only occasionally take one down and the cost of the fighting is still in their favor.
How many examples of unsupported irregulars beating superior regular forces can you provide? Signed, Pheusia |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.29 17:26:00 -
[368]
Edited by: Aaron on 29/08/2010 17:28:00
Originally by: Pheusia
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Pheusia
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Under no circumstance, at any time, can a "superior force" defeat a stateless irregular one.
I beg your pardon, but this is just not true. Not in real life, and doubly definitely not in EVE.
In fact stateless irregular forces can almost never defeat "superior forces". The idea that they can is popular with comic-book readers and film-makers who glorify the individualist maverick hero, but offhand I can't think of a single instance of irregulars defeating regulars superior state forces unless those irregulars were also assisted by another regular force, whereas examples of irregulars losing to regulars are very common.
Now irregulars can increase the cost of occupation, and they can inflict damage out of proportion to their resources - but only to a certain extent.
People who love the old ways always say that.
Yes, an insurgent or counter-insurgent force does not defeat a superior force.
Instead the superior force will bleed to death trying to destroy the irregulars.
They don't call the Pakistan-Afghanistan region the Graveyard of Empires for nothing.
Look at it this way: when you field a 40 million dollar main battle tank to blow up guys in old pickup trucks, and considering the cost of fielding and maintaining that hardware, plus crew training, replacement parts, and logistics of getting it there and keeping it fueled, the force with the tank already lost.
Thus if you take that battleship or T2 BC out to go hunt down noobs in 0.0 in their frigates and T1 C/BC that cost a mere fraction, you already lost. They are still going to replace that ship easier, and the amount of ISK lost in the endeavor is minus one replacement, bringing us back to the "penny saved is a penny earned" approach, where ISK not earned is ISK spent. Even if the present residents instapwn the noobs, they are not making ISK.
If they lose a ship in the endeavor, their cost is astronomical. The noobs need only occasionally take one down and the cost of the fighting is still in their favor.
How many examples of unsupported irregulars beating superior regular forces can you provide?
Herzorg is saying that war is costly.
The Afgan and Iraq wars are costing US and British economies lots of money Im sure there are some very hefty bills involved in mobilising forces in another country.
The real question is how long can the US and Allies stay in these countries. In one sense you could say that the irregular force have won a handful of victories.
Going back to eve, It is difficult for my enemies to defeat me as it is costing them alot in their attemps to subdue me.
We've managed to gain a little bit of momentum down here and were starting to work together in achieving our common goal. Theres lots of oppertunity here and there is a good buzz in the channels with friendly banter and intelligence.
The most important aspect of this is working as a team regardless of if you are in the same corp/alliance. This is still your venture and its success does depend on what you the hisec guy can put into it. I know the power a set of organised people can wield, to all the people in hisec I have every faith in your abillity to assist us.
EDIT: Snipes
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.29 18:04:00 -
[369]
Actually Herzog said something quite different. He said that they will always defeat regular forces. I was the one who said that they can merely cause disproportionate economic damage. Signed, Pheusia |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.29 18:13:00 -
[370]
Edited by: Aaron on 29/08/2010 18:14:35
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Instead the superior force will bleed to death trying to destroy the irregulars.
This is the sad fact of the Afgan/Iraq wars, US and Allies will lose lives and their economies back home will suffer. Herzog has told it as it is.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.29 18:26:00 -
[371]
Edited by: Aaron on 29/08/2010 18:28:40 Edited by: Aaron on 29/08/2010 18:28:07
Originally by: Pheusia I [/i]was the one who said that they can merely cause disproportionate economic damage.
I like you.
I disagee with you here, your use of the word "merely" is understating the achievment where the irregular force has managed to disrupt a superior forces economy.
Going back to real life, Its really not fun paying lots of taxes on fuel, food, and living expenses. US and british economies do not have enough jobs to support the population. I believe this is somewhat due to the long drawn out conflicts in Iraq/Afganistan, everyone is cutting back.
War is never about having bigger guns than your oponent, It is fought on many levels.
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.29 18:42:00 -
[372]
A competent and determined insurgency can certainly make the occupiers lives far more difficult. I'm just saying that it's extremely rare for an insurgency to defeat a regular force in response to Herzog's rather impetuous statement that regulars can "never defeat" insurgents. The native American nations are >this< close to kicking out the European settlers, right Herzog? The Tamil Tigers have the Sri Lankan government forces on the run? The Peruvian legislature is being airlifted out of Lima right now to escape the Shining Path, yes? Franco's defeat by the International brigade lives down the ages! Yes, Herzog, the tide of history is just one inevitable defeat after another inflicted by all-conquering guerrillas!
However I agree with you, war isn't just fought with guns; economics, morale, public support, etc are also key elements. And with EVE's hypercapitalist economy, morale is probably the most important. But Eternum was also correct; RL insurgencies often rely heavily on the regulars unwillingness to commit atrocities on the civilian population. But killing "civilians" has no particular moral cost in EVE. Signed, Pheusia |
Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.29 19:00:00 -
[373]
lol this is getting too political
lets just say:
whatever side i am on is good. whatever side everyone else is on is probably pirates or something lol that may be a little subjective but i think if read from the right perspective it will always be correct :D
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.29 19:20:00 -
[374]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 29/08/2010 12:15:29
In EVE Online there are no morals of war, and this is the golden age of Titan and Supercarrier hotdrops. So unless you expect people to band together in tech I frigate swarms with goonswarm-like organization (which they won't) your reference does not apply. Even if it did, it is untimely incorrect, for it requires moral action on part of the Regular Force to give the Irregular Force a fighting chance. As I said there are no morals in EVE.
You make this point that proves mine. Titan and supercarrier fleets are for Second generation warfare (though small gang detachments, if the CEO is not a control freak, can work well with Third Generation warfare, as the Germans developed late in the first world war, and perfected in the second).
If someone of going to deploy such force against noobs with T1 ships in 0.0. they are sending a lot of expensive hardware against a cheap force, and taking a lot of time to do it.
What else would the people in this fleet be doing if they were not out to hot drop the noobs?
If it was making ISK, they already lost. And if that ISK is necessary to the maintenance of such fleets, they lost two-fold. If that fleet is necessary to hold the region or SOV perhaps in a nearby region, they lost again. So now, the money to maintain it is not coming in, the fleet is not where it really needs to be, and if they are successful in that endeavor, that problem is not entirely gone. To maintain control it could be necessary to have a carrier in every system, or Titans with support fleets on patrol. How long could that last? And then all the irregulars have to do it send out a Thorax to get ganked at a station from time to time to make the enemy think they have to maintain that force.
And I have used worm hole bridges into 0.0 SOV space and ratted/explored without so much as seeing anybody else in system, because I can research the system and who "owns" it, find out what conflict they are having or trouble they are in, and get a reasonable expectation of how much company I will have. What does this mean? It means that once an alliance sends that fleet of titans and carriers into 0.0 NPC space, their resources are spread thin and others looking to get at the resources in their own system will have an easier time at it. This does not account for the alliance being at war with another one at the same time.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.08.29 19:26:00 -
[375]
I don't think you have PVP'ed much with the big boys. Everyone and their mama are sitting there waiting to hot drop Supercarrier gangs onto lesser equipped fleets.
It is what PVP in this game as degraded too. Now if you live in empire... you may not realize this fact. I have not "Proven Your Point" at all. You simply do not understand.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.29 19:41:00 -
[376]
Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 29/08/2010 19:45:25
Originally by: Pheusia A competent and determined insurgency can certainly make the occupiers lives far more difficult. I'm just saying that it's extremely rare for an insurgency to defeat a regular force in response to Herzog's rather impetuous statement that regulars can "never defeat" insurgents. The native American nations are >this< close to kicking out the European settlers, right Herzog? The Tamil Tigers have the Sri Lankan government forces on the run? The Peruvian legislature is being airlifted out of Lima right now to escape the Shining Path, yes? Franco's defeat by the International brigade lives down the ages! Yes, Herzog, the tide of history is just one inevitable defeat after another inflicted by all-conquering guerrillas!
However I agree with you, war isn't just fought with guns; economics, morale, public support, etc are also key elements. And with EVE's hypercapitalist economy, morale is probably the most important. But Eternum was also correct; RL insurgencies often rely heavily on the regulars unwillingness to commit atrocities on the civilian population. But killing "civilians" has no particular moral cost in EVE.
I can understand that it's hard to accept that people who likely wear civilian clothes and carry a cheap rifle can be an effective front against men with the best equipment, who march in straight lines, and have spit-shined boots. The nerve of the rabble, the unshaven, and undisciplined!!!
Yet you define victory as "kicking out" or some kind of defeat that has existing power structures on the run.
In the US, we don't look down on native Americans as dogs or see them as weak. In fact, many counties, cities, rivers, forests, etc, have native names. Military equipment is even named after them.
To what ends, if the settlers were not driven back to Europe? Well keep in mind that the natives were not all on the same page with respect to the white man. Some aligned with them, sold or traded land with them, etc. The French and Indian War is an example of that, and how the Crown used this for leverage. (Why is the whole NC SC thing entering my head now?)
Fact is, the natives put up one hell of a fight, and earned respect. So much respect that in the US now, the natives live on their own land and can do things with that land that Americans cannot do with their own land. They actually have MORE freedom than most Americans. So they didn't kick out the white man and plant a flag on the corpses. But in the long run, they won.
Meanwhile, the other conflicts you cite, are insurgencies. Yes they are not regulars, but insurgencies or small scale rebellions do not represent a force of irregulars against a superior force. It's folly to think that what goes on in Central America in a small country is anything like invading old world Afghanistan with the best of NATO. You also need to consider if those insurgencies are wholly interested in complete control or taking over. If I was a rebel in my own country, to what level do I wage war against it when I have relatives in the established military? The goal of small scale insurrection is not a complete takeover and restructuring. Do they destroy all of the bridges, dams, and power stations too? It's just as much theirs as it belongs to the state or the people. Again, that contrasts poorly with the invasion that I refer to where much of the infrastructure was destroyed by an OUTSIDE force coming in.
To understand the benefits of 4GW, you have to have a better view of the goals; which are not total victory. Aaron will not take over and control 0.0 NPC space, but his goals will be achieved in the long term as the enemies will have to impale themselves on their own costs to stop him.
Eternum, I am the guy who gets past those fleets. If they want to sit around all day hoping I screw up, they already lost. Every time I get back to empire space, my hull is full of goodies. Sitting around all day in camps drives people from the game too.
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Captian00Harlock
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Posted - 2010.08.29 19:43:00 -
[377]
You know... oddly enough my only problem I ever had with your idea/statement. Was the absolute rubbish and ignorant claim that its a project for the mature, so 30s. Age has nothing to do with intelligence, wisdom, or ability. >.> Maybe its time to grow up and look outside. lol
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.29 19:59:00 -
[378]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Theorycrafted assertions unsupported by real world events
Maybe you're right; let's agree to disagree for now, and let the proof of the pudding be in the eating. With respect to the application of your ideas in EVE, we have a golden opportunity to see how they work out in Angel space. Signed, Pheusia |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.08.29 20:07:00 -
[379]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 29/08/2010 20:17:29
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Stuff...allot of stuff.
I am going to put an end to this political crap before the thread gets closed.
To put an end to a army of Irregulars, follow these simple instructions [Human morality does not apply]
Step 1.) You lay waste to food stores, farms and salt the fields so nothing will grow. Step 2.) You decimate all shrines, holy places and places of learning to kill off moral, faith and education. Step 3.) You introduce toxins into the environment in abundance, radiation, plague, all of the above (anything will do)
You have now won. What you are stating is merely a result of human morality being applied to war (an immoral act) without it, your "theory" holds no water.
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Regarding EVE
Super capitals are essentially free to the pilot. They sit there all day waiting for a chance to use them, low sec is best because they are totally immune to counter attack.
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Otto TheRed
Gallente Scions of Ithaca
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Posted - 2010.08.29 20:29:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
lets just say:
whatever side i am on is good.
Guess I am going to have to side with Cat on this one...
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.29 21:23:00 -
[381]
If I replied to the recent posts I would get the thread locked, using proportionate force means never ending war...
In terms of the current conflict in Eve, we have already decided when the current conflict will end, it is when we move to the Garden area. At that point the griefers will have to decide whether it is worth following us or not. We will not have lost, we will have moved on to other things. So in fact we have already decided that we at some point will leave UF-KKH as it will no longer meet our needs, we will not have been driven out by the griefers, they have not won and we will not have lost, so Dalv and co, does that satisfy you? And I know the answer, Cata Slate already said you want to drive us to High Sec, so I guess you will be seeing us in the Garden...
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.29 21:50:00 -
[382]
by the way chaps
feel free to take the discussion elsewhere if it getting too hot lol
forgive the api thing on the reg page, it not required unless you go into trusted member groups blah blah blah lol
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EVE Garden |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.30 07:17:00 -
[383]
Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 30/08/2010 07:20:57
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 29/08/2010 20:18:29
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Stuff...allot of stuff.
I am going to put an end to this political crap before the thread gets closed.
To put an end to a army of Irregulars, follow these simple instructions [Human morality does not apply]
Step 1.) You lay waste to food stores, farms and salt the fields so nothing will grow. Step 2.) You decimate all shrines, holy places and places of learning to kill off moral, faith and education. Step 3.) You introduce toxins into the environment in abundance, radiation, plague, fire, all of the above (anything will do)
You have now won. What you are stating is merely a result of human morality being applied to war (an immoral act) without it, your "theory" holds no water.
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Regarding EVE
Super capitals are essentially free to the pilot. They sit there all day waiting for a chance to use them, low sec is best because they are totally immune to counter attack.
This is a game of warfare, and a discussion of the types of warfare theory is not "political crap". I seriously hope you are not in any senior command staff in any military branch. The only way this thread gets closed is if CCP is as small minded and incapable of perception of these matters as you are.
With your three points you cut yourself off at the knees:
Step 1.) You lay waste to food stores, farms and salt the fields so nothing will grow. ** I don't recall any modules in this game like "salt launcher". Step 2.) You decimate all shrines, holy places and places of learning to kill off moral, faith and education. ** That would only work in Amarr space and for like 10 minutes. Step 3.) You introduce toxins into the environment in abundance, radiation, plague, fire, all of the above (anything will do) ** That's only done in the real world - it's called flouride. It lowers IQ and it makes people rather adverse to in-depth debate.
I noted that in a previous post you regarded PVP as having "degraded" to hot dropping with capital fleets. Are you angry about something? If it's at me, I can assure you it's misdirected.
Did I bug you? I didn't mean to bug ya. I can call it a good time anyway.
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Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.30 08:13:00 -
[384]
This thread is why a couple weeks of ratting 0.0 solo is way more appealing than joining some gaggle of drama queens all squealing NO YOU when things go sideways at high speed. Morbid emotional midgets burping STEP OFF! I'M IN TEH MASSIVEST GANG! aren't as fun or interesting as you might think. It's good to know that if i ever need people who know everything about everything, i'll be able to find them. Avoiding them has always been a task though.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.30 12:19:00 -
[385]
I gotta admit, Herzog makes some very good points.
There is a limited amount of tactics the enemies can use to hinder us. There are also tactics we can use that will drain the enemies resources and time that will result in a loss of isk for the enemy.
We've got to change the way we think and try to implement these tactics. I must say that I'm very happy a few people out there are drilling down on the issues that make most people stay in hisec, and I believe this is the start of the revolution.
Herzog, we very much need your input on this, you seem to know alot about this type of war and are in a good position to advise us on tactics. You have the attitude of a realist which makes the game very interesting.
One of the dudes down here with us had to go back to hisec for some shopping and chose to fly there. He informed us that his journey from hisec was the most fun hes had in this game for years and hes happy that he linked up with us.
We've got a great concept for an epic adventure here and I believe it boils down to the eve community accepting that we can do this. After all this time I am still very excited about the possibilities and I'm also excited about meeting interesting folk like Herzog.
We dont have to be a regular force, or have a heiracial structure to what we are doing. We've simply got to be mature, and have respect for others and implement the best ideas no matter who suggests them.
LETS DO THIS... MANNNNN!!!
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.08.30 13:21:00 -
[386]
2010.07.20.
Ok so it's has been over a month now. Just how many people have taken up this invitation anyway? That website forum seems awfully underpopulated and under used.
And I agree bunch of random strangers will be no match against any organized or even semi organized force. Considering these same random strangers will primarily be looking out for #1 themselves.
All of this is mute anyway so many pages, so few statistics. Let's hear what the actual situation is right now.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.08.30 13:50:00 -
[387]
Originally by: Lillith Starfire 2010.07.20. Ok so it's has been over a month now. Just how many people have taken up this invitation anyway? That website forum seems awfully underpopulated and under used. All of this is mute anyway so many pages, so few statistics. Let's hear what the actual situation is right now.
It seems Aaron has less followers than ever, but that might just be the illusion he wants us to believe!
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Kephael
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.30 14:30:00 -
[388]
How to enter in to 0.0 Step 1: Go to the recruitment section Step 2: Find a thread with 0.0 in the title Step 3: See if you meet said requirements Step 4: Contact Recruiter Step 5: Apply
NPC 0.0 is terrible.
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Space Concubine
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:07:00 -
[389]
Edited by: Space Concubine on 30/08/2010 15:07:40 Edited by: Space Concubine on 30/08/2010 15:07:08 Hmm, let's see about this locking-the-thread business...
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer (though small gang detachments, if the CEO is not a control freak, can work well with Third Generation warfare, as the Germans developed late in the first world war, and perfected in the second).
Yup, some worship of a certain anti-semitic totalitarian regime whose name gets censored on these forums ought to do it!
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:21:00 -
[390]
That is rather silly to be honest...
Originally by: Space Concubine Edited by: Space Concubine on 30/08/2010 15:07:40 Edited by: Space Concubine on 30/08/2010 15:07:08 Hmm, let's see about this locking-the-thread business...
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer (though small gang detachments, if the CEO is not a control freak, can work well with Third Generation warfare, as the Germans developed late in the first world war, and perfected in the second).
Yup, some worship of a certain anti-semitic totalitarian regime whose name gets censored on these forums ought to do it!
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.08.30 15:40:00 -
[391]
When we are good and ready..., its going within expectations.
We have a core group working together often, we expect that we will work with additions to that core group and many are very experienced, it really depends...
Originally by: Lillith Starfire 2010.07.20.
Ok so it's has been over a month now. Just how many people have taken up this invitation anyway? That website forum seems awfully underpopulated and under used.
And I agree bunch of random strangers will be no match against any organized or even semi organized force. Considering these same random strangers will primarily be looking out for #1 themselves.
All of this is mute anyway so many pages, so few statistics. Let's hear what the actual situation is right now.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.08.30 16:18:00 -
[392]
Edited by: BrundleMeth on 30/08/2010 16:23:05
Originally by: Billy Colorado How often do people mine low sec or null sec, unless they have an enormous cadre of escorts?
I mine daily in null-sec. Alone, always alone. Parts of 0.0 are truely quite empty...
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer The nerve of the rabble, the unshaven, and undisciplined!!!
And in my case, the unwashed and unclothed...
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.08.30 17:43:00 -
[393]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Allot more stuff...and a change of stance to maintain "Rightness"
Yes, people that have that very special "I am always right on the internet complex" bug me. Are you now going to pretending that you were speaking only in terms of EVE, when you were in fact debating Irregulars VS Regulars in a real world setting and comparing them to EVE warfare? You were most certainly not speaking of EVE exclusively, though now it suits your interests to take such a stance. Shutting down the political dribble you were stirring up probably saved this thread.
Evidently maintaining face in the eyes of your peers (AKA the E-Online forum troll minigame)is very important to you for some reason.
PVP in EVE is much simpler the in real life, and yes, Supercarriers and Titan deathrays have made low sec even worse then it was before. I do not like it, why should I? Plenty of people don't like how the new expansions to EVE ended up buffing massive NAP trains and Epic blob style warfare. They don't like the lag Dominion brought either.
You have not actually addressed anything that I said, you have merely diverted the direction of the original conversation with all of the verbal skill of a defense attorney. Are you a Lawyer? If you are I think you would make a very good one. My 3 points about Irregulars VS Regulars in a real world setting stand as is, you have addressed nothing, you have only claimed that I cut myself off at the knees, as if that instantly makes it fact.
. . .
Regarding EVE PVP:
You are right, there are no modules to salt the earth. There are instead blobs of very rich and very bored children, who spend hours in game just waiting for something to amuse them. When they lose ships they don't care, it is merely internet spaceships money and they have ALLOT of it. You are not going to somehow "Hurt them in their wallet" when they can plex all day long. IT don't work that way my friend.
So in EVE your theories in actuality, hold even less water in game then your RL theories about RL warfare do. And if it seems like you bug me, it is most likely because I am bugging you Do people usually just read what you type, see that is looks intelligent, and digress?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.31 00:07:00 -
[394]
Herzog and Eternum have raised some very interesting issues.
Herzog has hit the nail on the head, he has described exactly how I have managed to survive in such a hostile place for all these years. So to an extent he is correct.
Eternum raises issues about it being difficult for hisec guys to come out of their comfort zone and change the way they percieve the game by comming and getting involved in this venture. In some senses Eternum is correct as well.
Eternum, Part of the job is being able to relate to the hisec guys and changing their perception of living in 0.0. I know this is a difficult task. Based on my experience the enemies do not have the resource or time to camp me 23/7, it just doesnt happen that way.
I can see this is starting to get quite serious now, there are some very intelligent eve players out there who can help us and the Garden concept become a success.
Herzog, I'd like to extend an invatation to you, you seem to understand exactly what is going on here and I believe it would be a pleasure working with you. It is people like you that will be crucial to this venture getting somewhere. If you're not doing somthing similar to this venture already then it'd be really great if you came down and helped us out. 15 Exotic dancers will be assigned to you upon your arrival.
Hisec guys, please try to have a look at this I think its really great that so many people have come together to help out. Firstly theres Cat, whose website/forum design has given us an excellent communication medium. theres Dracvlad, whose unwavering support has been a beacon of hope for this venture. There are too many people to mention that have had some involvement in this and helped us get where we are today and I'd like to thank you all.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.31 00:17:00 -
[395]
Edited by: Aaron on 31/08/2010 00:19:39 Edited by: Aaron on 31/08/2010 00:17:54
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
You are right, there are no modules to salt the earth. There are instead blobs of very rich and very bored children, who spend hours in game just waiting for something to amuse them. When they lose ships they don't care, it is merely internet spaceships money and they have ALLOT of it. You are not going to somehow "Hurt them in their wallet" when they can plex all day long. It don't work that way my friend.
So in EVE, your theories in actuality hold even less water in game then your RL theories about RL warfare do. And if it seems like you bug me, it is most likely because I am bugging you Do people usually just read what you type, see that is looks intelligent, and then digress?
Hey Eternum,
This is Fouth Generation Warfare man.
You're not considering the intelligence/Spying/Subterfuge aspect of war. *winks*
EDIT: anything is possible when you put your mind to it.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.31 01:19:00 -
[396]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 30/08/2010 19:57:27
derp derp derp
Look, I am not here for a forum fight. Winning in a forum is like getting the gold in the special olympics. Sure you are in first place, but you still ride the same short bus home with your competition.
So, I hereby give you the gold medal. You win. I lose.
I hereby declare that Eternum is King of the Forums. All hail. Do it his way.
The rest of you can go on and practice 4th Generation Warfare and still win. Don't tell Eternum about it.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.08.31 18:48:00 -
[397]
I do not recall stating a ôMy Wayö to do things in this thread. I only offered information directly contradicting your claims, your theories and your stance on the subject. Evidently your side of the argument did not stand against scrutiny very well did it?
Regarding My Stance:
You still. Have. Addressed. Nothing...
And so as I wear my short bus hat with pride and prance around gleefully, I will add this. In all reality I do think that Stain is extremely inhabitable ATM, whether or not it ever comes to pass on the large scale remains to be seen. It is so inhabitable in fact, people are living there right now.
Signed As,
"Your beloved short bus forum troll extraordinaire, and happy master of theoretical-internet-warfare...Eternum Praetorian."
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.31 20:39:00 -
[398]
Edited by: Aaron on 31/08/2010 20:39:16 We've had a good couple of days, We managed to take out a persistant enemy a couple of times and morale is getting higher, theres a good atmosphere in our channels and the guys are working together wery well.
We're gonna continue to ride this momentum and get things done.
EDIT: Snipes
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.01 05:18:00 -
[399]
Originally by: Aaron Herzog and Eternum have raised some very interesting issues.
Herzog has hit the nail on the head, he has described exactly how I have managed to survive in such a hostile place for all these years. So to an extent he is correct.
Eternum raises issues about it being difficult for hisec guys to come out of their comfort zone and change the way they percieve the game by comming and getting involved in this venture. In some senses Eternum is correct as well.
Eternum, Part of the job is being able to relate to the hisec guys and changing their perception of living in 0.0. I know this is a difficult task. Based on my experience the enemies do not have the resource or time to camp me 23/7, it just doesnt happen that way.
I can see this is starting to get quite serious now, there are some very intelligent eve players out there who can help us and the Garden concept become a success.
Herzog, I'd like to extend an invatation to you, you seem to understand exactly what is going on here and I believe it would be a pleasure working with you. It is people like you that will be crucial to this venture getting somewhere. If you're not doing somthing similar to this venture already then it'd be really great if you came down and helped us out. 15 Exotic dancers will be assigned to you upon your arrival.
Hisec guys, please try to have a look at this I think its really great that so many people have come together to help out. Firstly theres Cat, whose website/forum design has given us an excellent communication medium. theres Dracvlad, whose unwavering support has been a beacon of hope for this venture. There are too many people to mention that have had some involvement in this and helped us get where we are today and I'd like to thank you all.
I thought about coming out but this Sansha business and looking for Mouse Nell got me tied up in Wormhole space. I will give a shout out next time a WH spits me out in the region.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:06:00 -
[400]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Aaron Herzog and Eternum have raised some very interesting issues.
Herzog has hit the nail on the head, he has described exactly how I have managed to survive in such a hostile place for all these years. So to an extent he is correct.
Eternum raises issues about it being difficult for hisec guys to come out of their comfort zone and change the way they percieve the game by comming and getting involved in this venture. In some senses Eternum is correct as well.
Eternum, Part of the job is being able to relate to the hisec guys and changing their perception of living in 0.0. I know this is a difficult task. Based on my experience the enemies do not have the resource or time to camp me 23/7, it just doesnt happen that way.
I can see this is starting to get quite serious now, there are some very intelligent eve players out there who can help us and the Garden concept become a success.
Herzog, I'd like to extend an invatation to you, you seem to understand exactly what is going on here and I believe it would be a pleasure working with you. It is people like you that will be crucial to this venture getting somewhere. If you're not doing somthing similar to this venture already then it'd be really great if you came down and helped us out. 15 Exotic dancers will be assigned to you upon your arrival.
Hisec guys, please try to have a look at this I think its really great that so many people have come together to help out. Firstly theres Cat, whose website/forum design has given us an excellent communication medium. theres Dracvlad, whose unwavering support has been a beacon of hope for this venture. There are too many people to mention that have had some involvement in this and helped us get where we are today and I'd like to thank you all.
I thought about coming out but this Sansha business and looking for Mouse Nell got me tied up in Wormhole space. I will give a shout out next time a WH spits me out in the region.
Thats great, with your input we could make some solid offence and defence tactics, look forward to seeing you soon o/
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.02 11:04:00 -
[401]
Aaron i hate it when you avoid answering the good critical questions, but you reply to the 1-2 pages long off-topic bull****. Get to the point will you.
Originally by: Lillith Starfire 2010.07.20.
Ok so it's has been over a month now. Just how many people have taken up this invitation anyway? That website forum seems awfully underpopulated and under used.
And I agree bunch of random strangers will be no match against any organized or even semi organized force. Considering these same random strangers will primarily be looking out for #1 themselves.
All of this is mute anyway so many pages, so few statistics. Let's hear what the actual situation is right now.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.02 14:37:00 -
[402]
BjornarGoesToSpace (nice name that, always makes me smile...)
Well first off, b0ing followed Aaron to 0gn among others of your corp and your actions speak louder than words, also some of your corp members exposed themselves on this very thread... Cata Slate told me in local that they would drive us back to High Sec and Dalv said it here. I note you are trying to recruit people in Battleclinic and being defined as griefers does you no good. You note that we did not post on your recruitment thread... Finally I noticed that you had the caveat that you spoke only for youself, so as such I do not count you individually as a griefer.
In terms of moving I replied with the truth, when we are good and ready.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.02 14:54:00 -
[403]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 02/09/2010 11:44:02 (lots of edits)
Originally by: Lillith Starfire 2010.07.20.
Ok so it's has been over a month now. Just how many people have taken up this invitation anyway? That website forum seems awfully underpopulated and under used.
And I agree bunch of random strangers will be no match against any organized or even semi organized force. Considering these same random strangers will primarily be looking out for #1 themselves.
All of this is mute anyway so many pages, so few statistics. Let's hear what the actual situation is right now.
Originally by: Dravclad
When we are good and ready..., its going within expectations. We have a core group working together often, we expect that we will work with additions to that core group and many are very experienced, it really depends...
You should become a politician, he/she asked for statistics, not sweettalk.
Im also quite curious why you (Dravclad) and Aaron have not yet moved from UF-KKH to your garden-system. Everyone i'v talked to have made it clear they do not wish to follow you as their supposed hatred towards you is simply an act. You guys have been told severall times that you are targets just like everyone else, you are not special to us and we will not follow you more than we would follow anyone else. With that said i can only speak for myself Good luck
BJ, It suprises me alot local-spike are still pestering myself and guests. This is what makes diplomacy completly impossible with you guys.
Our cause is a good one and theres nothing you can do or say to stop us anymore. It is unfotunate that you have chosen your path to ally with my enemy as nothing was done by myself to provoke you.
I understand very much that this message will fall upon deaf ears and it is time for you to accept your position in a griefing corp.
Why do you worship Gabriel Angelus? you seem very happy to carry out his objectives to the letter, can you not see he is using you?
FYI, our corp and alliance is commited to helping populate NPC 0.0, its a good cause and one we enjoy doing. Whats your opinion on 0.0 population BJ?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.02 15:32:00 -
[404]
A bit of progress has been made recently around our staging point uf-kkh. At the moment we are preparing for the move to the garden and we would like more people to come down.
There are a few nice and mature guys here who are happy to assist you any way they can so please do not be concerned that you are not skilled enough. The most important thing to consider here is that we are working as a team and hope to go forward as a team.
Hisec guys, its time to forget about all the shocking stories you've heard about 0.0 and come see for yourself, alot of it is propaganda.
please visit our public channel e-a public or register on our forum http://www.eve-garden.net/
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Kephael
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.02 15:41:00 -
[405]
Originally by: Aaron A bit of progress has been made recently around our staging point uf-kkh. At the moment we are preparing for the move to the garden and we would like more people to come down.
There are a few nice and mature guys here who are happy to assist you any way they can so please do not be concerned that you are not skilled enough. The most important thing to consider here is that we are working as a team and hope to go forward as a team.
Hisec guys, its time to forget about all the shocking stories you've heard about 0.0 and come see for yourself, alot of it is propaganda.
please visit our public channel e-a public or register on our forum http://www.eve-garden.net/
Yeah high sec guys, all those stories you heard about isk pouring into your wallet the moment you get there will turn out to be false as npc 0.0 is worthless.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.02 15:55:00 -
[406]
Edited by: Dracvlad on 02/09/2010 16:01:08 It is all relative, if you join a big alliance with properly managed sov space then more ISK, if you have uber skills at day trading in Jita then away you go, if you started the game from the start and have T2 BPO's then away you go.
For the majority of people making ISK in NPC 0.0 is easier than High Sec and a lot more fun. And if you have a brain and use it the risk is not that great..
And if NPC 0.0 is so worthless why do I see Goons here at times, could it be the officer spawns perhaps, the True Sansha spawns maybe..., I understand why you don't want people to make a move to NPC 0.0...
Edit: Spelling
Originally by: Kephael
Originally by: Aaron A bit of progress has been made recently around our staging point uf-kkh. At the moment we are preparing for the move to the garden and we would like more people to come down.
There are a few nice and mature guys here who are happy to assist you any way they can so please do not be concerned that you are not skilled enough. The most important thing to consider here is that we are working as a team and hope to go forward as a team.
Hisec guys, its time to forget about all the shocking stories you've heard about 0.0 and come see for yourself, alot of it is propaganda.
please visit our public channel e-a public or register on our forum http://www.eve-garden.net/
Yeah high sec guys, all those stories you heard about isk pouring into your wallet the moment you get there will turn out to be false as npc 0.0 is worthless.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.02 15:59:00 -
[407]
bounties are alright too really
quite often there are 3 big red crosses worth like 1.9 millions of isk on the gate but they are too big and bad and red for my trusty defencemobile to handle
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.02 16:39:00 -
[408]
Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 02/09/2010 16:40:50
Originally by: Dracvlad For the majority of people making ISK in NPC 0.0 is easier than High Sec and a lot more fun. And if you have a brain and use it the risk is not that great.
I don't know what amount of SP the "majority of people" has (maybe the distribution is in some old QEN?), but in the interest of providing some "neutral" information here are my observations:
Making ISK by ratting in belts is pretty efficient in terms of equipment used and skillpoints required. When I did ratting for prolonged periods of time (in parts of Providence which should be roughly comparable with UF), I would average in a battlecruiser around 15-20m ISK/hour from bounties, if the chains were properly set up rather on the higher than on the lower end.
For me this was significantly more than I made with lvl3s but is a lot less than I can earn doing lvl4s (in a moderately pimped faction bs, taking into account LP rewards).
High quality plexes can surpass lvl4s in rewards by a fair degree but you won't find these often in the area of Hub Zero.
Officer & faction loot is rare, worthwhile faction loot is even more rare but getting a good officer spawn has the potential to skew your income statistics significantly.
However, you can run missions in empire whenever you want to as opposed to earning ISK in NPC 0.0 where you have to expect being prevented from efficient income making for a significant portion of your time. I guess that once you take the time you spend sitting in stations, inside POS shields or camping gates/stations in pvp ships into account (especially when playing during euro or us prime time) the additional income from faction/officer drops should be dwarfed in the long term. Also you have to take the cost of living in 0.0 (ship losses) into account to arrive at your net income.
At least at the beginning earning money in "unsafe" 0.0 by plexing/ratting is more fun than running high-sec missions, however the novelty wears of considerably after a few weeks.
conclusion for me: lvl3 < NPC 0.0 < lvl4; for a low SP character (e.g. s/o who can barely run lvl4s in his Drake), killing NPCs in 0.0 might very well be the most profitable method of income generation available. If you have regular access to 9/10 & 10/10 plexes and the means to do them by yourself, 0.0 becomes really attractive in terms of income but in Hub Zero you won't.
There are a lot of good reasons to get into NPC 0.0 but getting rich is imo not among them.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.02 18:31:00 -
[409]
Edited by: Aaron on 02/09/2010 18:35:18
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
There are a lot of good reasons to get into NPC 0.0 but getting rich is imo not among them.
I strongly disagree with you on this point.
In my experience ratting normal belts in NPC 0.0 is a very good way of earning isk for these reasons;
- An unlimited amount of varied rats ranging from 95k to 1.9m in bounty - A guaranteed convoy spawn if belts are cleared well (typical drop 50m tritanium) - officer spawns could be worth up to 5 billion in isk if you kill all rats in all belts (this actually works, the more people you have ratting in a system the better) - meta 4 items in loot can be sold - t1 loot can be refined to make ships - Salvage is great, can be sold or used to make rigs
You are wrong on other points, WH always pop up around this area and its easy to find a mining site or combat site. There is also a suprising amount of plexs around here.
The issue is enemies comming into the systems we dwell in and making us feel uncomfortable which would somewhat disrupt us from doing all this isk making. For this reason it is important we work as a team, even a dude flying around in a covert ops reporting red movement in our channels would be very helpful.
EDIT: Even with True Sansha frigate/Cruiser spawns you still make good money, Ive been getting a few of those and got a TS warp scram, TS webber, and a few TS armor mods, in total about 150m worth of gear just by ratting belts for about an hour.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.02 21:02:00 -
[410]
I think Aaron gave a good reply to Mme Pinkerton of the value of NPC 0.0 being more than just the bounty on rats, but includes the officer and TS spawns in our case, but I can see where Mme Pinkerton is coming from and I don't disagree with the base assumptions. People who go the route of level 4's and compare that to 0.0 ratting are not going to go to NPC 0.0 if ISK per hour is the only calculation. Though I have to say that people with pimped out ships and multiple accounts really do make a lot of ISK, but is that the majority of people, certainly not the people I met in most corps in High Sec...
However just as you have people stopping you ratting in 0.0, you have people doing ninja salvaging / griefing of the mission runners, you have war dec's against the corps of the missions runners. I would suggest that 0.0 NPC should be seen as another way to gather ISK and part of your operations in Eve. For example if you get an officer spawn, you have saved perhaps billions on your pimped fit. The value of getting far away from a war dec cannot be ignored either.
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Kephael
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.09.02 22:41:00 -
[411]
Originally by: Dracvlad Edited by: Dracvlad on 02/09/2010 16:01:08 It is all relative, if you join a big alliance with properly managed sov space then more ISK, if you have uber skills at day trading in Jita then away you go, if you started the game from the start and have T2 BPO's then away you go.
For the majority of people making ISK in NPC 0.0 is easier than High Sec and a lot more fun. And if you have a brain and use it the risk is not that great..
And if NPC 0.0 is so worthless why do I see Goons here at times, could it be the officer spawns perhaps, the True Sansha spawns maybe..., I understand why you don't want people to make a move to NPC 0.0...
Edit: Spelling
Originally by: Kephael
Originally by: Aaron A bit of progress has been made recently around our staging point uf-kkh. At the moment we are preparing for the move to the garden and we would like more people to come down.
There are a few nice and mature guys here who are happy to assist you any way they can so please do not be concerned that you are not skilled enough. The most important thing to consider here is that we are working as a team and hope to go forward as a team.
Hisec guys, its time to forget about all the shocking stories you've heard about 0.0 and come see for yourself, alot of it is propaganda.
please visit our public channel e-a public or register on our forum http://www.eve-garden.net/
Yeah high sec guys, all those stories you heard about isk pouring into your wallet the moment you get there will turn out to be false as npc 0.0 is worthless.
Goons go to stain to kill people, we have gurista's home region right next to our home in deklein. For the most part, no one bothers with it as sanctums are better isk.
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2010.09.02 23:38:00 -
[412]
Best thing about NPC 0.0: It's mostly empty and not prone to the drama of player-controlled space.
The worst thing: People think they can "own" NPC space. You don't, the local faction does.
On that note, even though I don't play nearly as often I'm still in the area...but have little interest in this whole thing. That's just me, though. On another note, I also have an annoying sig. |
Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.03 06:28:00 -
[413]
I have seen a couple of Goons in the area, but very few and not that often, one of them was ratting which is way I mentioned it. Sov NPC is of course more lucrative, but you have to defend it against others and the cost and administration can be a pain. I know some people who were renters of Atlas and they lost everything...
NPC 0.0 is a stepping stone to 0.0, you can make good ISK here and get a good introduction to 0.0 and it is not that risky. With the posts by Aaron and Mme Pinkerton people should have a good idea of the earning potential. o/ Agent Known, I hope all is well with you.
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Matt DeLaCruz
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Posted - 2010.09.03 11:12:00 -
[414]
I came down to 0.0 after playing for about 3 days.. ive been down in 0.0 for about 5ish months, have made roughly 800m and have only lost 2 ships so far.
Last check i have about 3.6m skill points, so would be doing lvl 2-3 missions.. big difference in isk there ;)
Id recommend 0.0 to anyone really, doesnt take much tyo stay safe, just pay attention and stay aligned :)
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.09.03 11:25:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Matt DeLaCruz
Last check i have about 3.6m skill points, so would be doing lvl 2-3 missions.. big difference in isk there ;)
I was doing level 4's before my training bonus was gone, FYI.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.03 11:47:00 -
[416]
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Originally by: Matt DeLaCruz
Last check i have about 3.6m skill points, so would be doing lvl 2-3 missions.. big difference in isk there ;)
I was doing level 4's before my training bonus was gone, FYI.
5 months ago he did not have 3.6m skill points. Anyway I expect that you are an experienced player setting up a specific alt, not a new player, which is rather different. I have seen you posting on C&P and you are putting forward an extreme example which normal new players will never do, it is rather If this and a Goon of all people does not open up people eyes to the attempts by various people to stop people coming to 0.0 NPC, nothing will, doesn't this say something, they the older experienced players want you lot in High Sec, simple as that, you can be a load of sheep in High Sec or you can break out and get some of the action.....
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.03 14:00:00 -
[417]
Dude be real Goons have probably helped more people into 0.0 than any other, maybe only other Goons but still. We all like our little pipe in Stain but lets be honest it's an acquired taste and it's not for everyone. Isk alone probably not the best motivator. Peace and quiet, lots of empty space, adventure, being surrounded by some really good PVP'rs (Brick Squad, Stain Empire, AAA, Local Spike :) ) are things I would be pushing.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.03 14:47:00 -
[418]
Originally by: Triethylene ... are things I would be pushing.
You just did!!!
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Mr Huggle
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Posted - 2010.09.03 15:44:00 -
[419]
Well after reading this thread. I decided to come down. After making this new character I had been lurking in the public channel, to get some more info and see what is happening in general.
To be honest, this idea Aaron has seems the most fun for me. Staying in high sec and missioning away (to me) is a hellish boredom trip. Griefing or any sort of high sec PvP seems to be another yawnfest and not something I am interested in anyway.
Ever since starting Eve a couple of weeks ago I wanted to go into 0.0 but they only other way that I could find a decent way in was to join a Corp with an Alliance, the only problem with that is I don't have alot of spare time, due to work and most of the "better" 0.0 corps want active pilots, so I struck that off my list and pondered on what Aaron is doing.
On my last character (now deleted) I spoke to Aaron and he gave me hints and tips on what to train and offered me assistance when I got down here. It was possibly his friendliness and enthusiasm that made me more encouraged to come down.
After I "ruined" one of my other characters, I made this new character, joined the E-A Public channel and done the tutorials, SOE arc, some salvaging, made me a small amount of ISK, moved to the closest high-sec system and ratted for a couple of days while I trained some skills up.
Well after a few days of that I was getting pretty bored, Aaron offered to use some ship thing he was bringing to Empire to clone my clone or whatever, I didn't really understand but he wouldn't be near me for 19 days. At first I was going to wait. I guess like alot of new players I had heard the same old horror stories of low and null sec, so I was apphrensive about travelling down there.
The next day though, just after downtime. I plotted my destination deep into 0.0, checked the map for activity and poddings. Sold my stuff, undocked and started the 40 jump journey.
I've just arrived.
After being shot by some huge (to me) ship that nearly blew me apart with one shot. I managed just in time to warp off. A few jumps later I stupidly warped gate to gate with some people in local, got caught in a bubble 50km off the gate and *pop* goes my ship. I'm spamming warp to planet as my armour and structure were going down fast. Thankfully I got away, two seconds later I'm warping back into the gate at a different angle and wave cheerio to the locals :)
The rest of the journey went well, a few heart stopping moments though.
With alot of help from the E-A Public guys, I managed to travel all the way down with only losing a punisher and not getting podded (which I was expecting). While that in itself is good news, by far the best thing was the actual journey down, it was the most nervous, exciting and fun experience I have had in Eve so far. And probably any online game for that matter.
So, if anyone who is reading this and was thinking like me i.e being an independant in 0.0, just get your stuff together, travel down and see what it is like. I can't wait to see what happens next.
Sorry for the length of post, got carried away.
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Infested Stukov
Infested U.E.D.
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Posted - 2010.09.03 19:58:00 -
[420]
Prepare the cloaky fleets!!!!!1!!!11one jmgray > Shut up u broke hobos Dog legs > i accidently a drake |
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.03 21:14:00 -
[421]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 03/09/2010 21:18:31
Originally by: Dracvlad
I note you are trying to recruit people in Battleclinic and being defined as griefers does you no good. You note that we did not post on your recruitment thread... So you admit this is a recruitment thread and should therefore be in Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center like the rest of us?
Originally by: Aaron
BJ, It suprises me alot local-spike are still pestering myself and guests. This is what makes diplomacy completly impossible with you guys. Attempts at diplomacy have been made, our side were not the one to break it! Our cause is a good one and theres nothing you can do or say to stop us anymore. It is unfotunate that you have chosen your path to ally with my enemy as nothing was done by myself to provoke you. I was met with suspicion when returning to UF-KKH a few weeks after leaving because of inavtivity on EVE. I was told i was not to be trusted, and i got no reason for this behaviour. But this is a long time ago and i see no point in talking about it further.
I understand very much that this message will fall upon deaf ears and it is time for you to accept your position in a griefing corp. I do not see Local-Spike as a griefing corp, and my opinion is the only one i care about. I would call us a corp with freedom for its members, not restrictions.
Why do you worship Gabriel Angelus? you seem very happy to carry out his objectives to the letter, can you not see he is using you? Details and not hilarious accusations with no root in reality is needed here.
FYI, our corp and alliance is commited to helping populate NPC 0.0, its a good cause and one we enjoy doing. Whats your opinion on 0.0 population BJ? As i have said before it is a good cause, and one i support. IÆm glad you guys enjoy it. My opinion and experience is that highsec take too much of the playerbase, they should get down to 0.0 ASAP. Newer players in highsec should join 0.0 Alliances holding Sov. When they get tired of big blobfests and people not in fleets because they donÆt give a **** about their alliance and just want to farm isk - Then they should move to NPC 0.0 or Lowsec.
Originally by: Kephael
Yeah high sec guys, all those stories you heard about isk pouring into your wallet the moment you get there will turn out to be false as npc 0.0 is worthless. If you are serious, get a clue. if you are trolling go somewhere else.
Edit: Oh and iv said it before: Please do not call me BJ
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Mandrain
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2010.09.03 22:28:00 -
[422]
Edited by: Mandrain on 03/09/2010 22:29:30 i'm killing officer every day
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Doriann Gray
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:01:00 -
[423]
Yup The trip down is a real blood pressure raising experience! Maybe I will actually make it some day...
D Gray
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:25:00 -
[424]
Edited by: Roosterton on 04/09/2010 00:28:02 This thread and the other Invitation to 0.0's has to be the only threads where we get Russians complaining about people shooting their drones, trolls insulting people's moms, new players posting long stories about 0.0, people bragging about killmails, people being called BJ, and Aaron's shenanigans, all in the same topics.
Why would anyone want this to stop? Moving it to the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center would be so boring.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.04 02:51:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Mr Huggle Well after reading this thread. I decided to come down. After making this new character I had been lurking in the public channel, to get some more info and see what is happening in general.
To be honest, this idea Aaron has seems the most fun for me. Staying in high sec and missioning away (to me) is a hellish boredom trip. Griefing or any sort of high sec PvP seems to be another yawnfest and not something I am interested in anyway.
Ever since starting Eve a couple of weeks ago I wanted to go into 0.0 but they only other way that I could find a decent way in was to join a Corp with an Alliance, the only problem with that is I don't have alot of spare time, due to work and most of the "better" 0.0 corps want active pilots, so I struck that off my list and pondered on what Aaron is doing.
On my last character (now deleted) I spoke to Aaron and he gave me hints and tips on what to train and offered me assistance when I got down here. It was possibly his friendliness and enthusiasm that made me more encouraged to come down.
After I "ruined" one of my other characters, I made this new character, joined the E-A Public channel and done the tutorials, SOE arc, some salvaging, made me a small amount of ISK, moved to the closest high-sec system and ratted for a couple of days while I trained some skills up.
Well after a few days of that I was getting pretty bored, Aaron offered to use some ship thing he was bringing to Empire to clone my clone or whatever, I didn't really understand but he wouldn't be near me for 19 days. At first I was going to wait. I guess like alot of new players I had heard the same old horror stories of low and null sec, so I was apphrensive about travelling down there.
The next day though, just after downtime. I plotted my destination deep into 0.0, checked the map for activity and poddings. Sold my stuff, undocked and started the 40 jump journey.
I've just arrived.
After being shot by some huge (to me) ship that nearly blew me apart with one shot. I managed just in time to warp off. A few jumps later I stupidly warped gate to gate with some people in local, got caught in a bubble 50km off the gate and *pop* goes my ship. I'm spamming warp to planet as my armour and structure were going down fast. Thankfully I got away, two seconds later I'm warping back into the gate at a different angle and wave cheerio to the locals :)
The rest of the journey went well, a few heart stopping moments though.
With alot of help from the E-A Public guys, I managed to travel all the way down with only losing a punisher and not getting podded (which I was expecting). While that in itself is good news, by far the best thing was the actual journey down, it was the most nervous, exciting and fun experience I have had in Eve so far. And probably any online game for that matter.
So, if anyone who is reading this and was thinking like me i.e being an independant in 0.0, just get your stuff together, travel down and see what it is like. I can't wait to see what happens next.
Sorry for the length of post, got carried away.
This is a good story here and it is the start of an amazing adventure for Mr Huggle. It's great that he managed to get here and set a clone.
The vibe in the channels was very good today and it's great to see all of you helping one another, with careful planning and teamwork we can make this happen.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.04 09:05:00 -
[426]
BJ, lets put this stupid attack to bed, we have a recruitment thread in the correct place for our corp which certain people did troll, you will notice that a GM removed them. That is what I was referring too, I do not admit to words that you seek to put in my mouth, by doing so you have gone down greatly in my estimation.
In terms of this thread, it is not asking people to join our corp or even our alliance, it is to come down and try 0.0 NPC and we help them, the majority do not want to get involved in the conflict here and we respect that, we do not push them to fight, but we try to help them if they are attacked, but your side is often too foolish to realise this and start trying to kill them to get them to go back to High Sec, which does you no favours, if you attack people they fight back.
I should also point out that your corp was created from many people who came down to try it out with Aaron. Don't you realise that your actions are so counter productive, now come on start thinking out of the box, I know you can do it...
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 03/09/2010 21:18:31
Originally by: Dracvlad
I note you are trying to recruit people in Battleclinic and being defined as griefers does you no good. You note that we did not post on your recruitment thread... So you admit this is a recruitment thread and should therefore be in Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center like the rest of us?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.04 13:25:00 -
[427]
Edited by: Aaron on 04/09/2010 13:27:26
Originally by: BJ
Stuff.
I'm not even gonna bother replying to BJ anymore he really is full of it. A few of the guys say that BJ is always trying to talk to them and tell them bad stuff about me, what BJ doesnt realise is he is dealing with grown adults who have seen this behaviour before and got the t-shirt for it.
I cant help feeling BJ is a bit envious because he made the wrong call when joining Gabriel and Local-Spike who are going through hard times at the moment. I remember quite liking the young man, he would have fitted in well with our crowd of friends as we are mainly GMT.
I really dont know what his problem is, I didnt do anything to him and infact helped him alot and asked him to not to choose any side and stay neutral.
If he wants to go round in circles bringing up old disputes that he wasnt even involved in thats up to him.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:05:00 -
[428]
Mr. BJ has actually eve mailed me in game about what kind of asteroids there are in Stain
The very few, and very select dealings I have had with this individual makes me imagine him blowing up Stain local like a scared little carebear when he doesn't get his way.
BTW Mr BJ there is in fact named Arknor in Stain.
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LeelaGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:16:00 -
[429]
Edited by: LeelaGoesToSpace on 04/09/2010 17:26:13
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Mr. BJ has actually eve mailed me in game about what kind of asteroids there are in Stain The very few, and very select dealings I have had with this individual makes me imagine him blowing up Stain local like a scared little carebear when he doesn't get his way. BTW Mr BJ there is in fact named Arknor in Stain.
I do not make assumptions about other people i do not know in any way. And no there is no Arkonor in Stain astroid belts like iv said before. Regarding me Evemailing you allthough i dont see why it is relevant, i dont want you spreading misinformation. But i did not think it was important enough to make a post about it, clearly you did.
And to your dear aaron: I did not bring up anything, or start anything with you. My previous post was to present another side of your story full of lies. You are so full of bull**** it makes me sad to think of the people in your care. Man i laughed so ****ing hard when i saw your post about me beeing Gabriel Angelus's puppet. Keep it up!
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:25:00 -
[430]
There. Is. Named. Arknor. In. Stain...
Been there, seen it...you have not looked good enough.
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LeelaGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:27:00 -
[431]
Edited by: LeelaGoesToSpace on 04/09/2010 17:29:37 Edited by: LeelaGoesToSpace on 04/09/2010 17:28:46
Linkage
Edit: What would a normal person say when talking about "blowing up local" ? Edit2: Nice talking to you, also what is "named arknor"?
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:30:00 -
[432]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/09/2010 17:30:59 Eternum: Posted - 2010.09.04 17:25:00 BJ: Posted - 2010.09.04 17:27:00
Are you like sitting there in front of the computer waiting for people to post ROFLLMAO Epically classic... truly epic.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:43:00 -
[433]
No, some times i have to check the camerafeeds from Aarons house. Did you know Aaron hates syrup on his pancakes ?
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:52:00 -
[434]
Originally by: LeelaGoesToSpace Edit2: Nice talking to you, also what is "named arknor"?
(a) There being no Arkonor in the regular belts does not imply there being no Arkonor in Stain.
(b) named Arkonor = Crimson/Primed Arkonor, if that was a serious question
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:58:00 -
[435]
Originally by: LeelaGoesToSpace
And to your dear aaron: I did not bring up anything, or start anything with you. My previous post was to present another side of your story full of lies. You are so full of bull**** it makes me sad to think of the people in your care. Man i laughed so ****ing hard when i saw your post about me beeing Gabriel Angelus's puppet. Keep it up!
Hey Buddy, tbh myself and local-spike have have been through this over and over and im not about to go over it again. The fact still remains we were once friends and I did abosolutly nothing to aggro you. I tried hard to simply get you to stay neutral from it all.
You'll have to accept the people allied with me at the moment can see that you are attempting to come between us. Attempting to annoy me by posting here wont bother me either, you've taken Gabs argument as far as you can buddy and my advice is you should move on as theres epic fun to be had out there if you can get in with the right crowd.
Remember Bjornar, theres lots of people reading this and they are not stupid. It's really not difficult to see exactly what you are up to.
I would have been happy to invite you back to join us Bjornar however, its gone way too far now Gab/Pathogen/Logic/Dalv have drained alot of fun from this venture so honestly I dont really want anything to do with you guys.
One thing i've learnt from all this is that the russian guys (SE and AAA) are actually pretty cool, I'll still kill them if I get the chance but I will respect them and say good fight in our engagements. These guys never smack talk.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.04 21:05:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Originally by: LeelaGoesToSpace Edit2: Nice talking to you, also what is "named arknor"?
(a) There being no Arkonor in the regular belts does not imply there being no Arkonor in Stain.
(b) named Arkonor = Crimson/Primed Arkonor, if that was a serious question
Exactly, my point from the beginning was that you do not find ABCM ore in the regular Stain astroid belts. Gravimetric sites do ofc have a chance of spawning them, but in my 3? months of living here now i have seen 2 gravimetric sites. So not really a reliable income. When he said named arknor i figured arknor was something else and that he was trolling me. Because its spelled Arkonor. Anyways lets not discuss this further its getting wierd :p
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.04 21:19:00 -
[437]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Exactly, my point from the beginning was that you do not find ABCM ore in the regular Stain astroid belts. Gravimetric sites do ofc have a chance of spawning them, but in my 3? months of living here now i have seen 2 gravimetric sites. So not really a reliable income.
For the sake of providing some potentially useful information - if you relax your restriction to Stain and are willing to make 1-2 jumps into w-space you have more gravimetric sites than you probably can mine at a day.
(and the probability of finding a wh somewhere within the UF pipe should be pretty high)
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.04 21:55:00 -
[438]
Very true. We get alot of wormholes, one time there was even 2 wormholes connecting to the same K-space system :o
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:17:00 -
[439]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/09/2010 23:19:11 There are plenty of wormholes, that is why I was in stain.. probing.
There are one or two systems there, very deep in, with named Arknor in the belts. If I cared about mining, perhaps I would keep this to myself, since people don't seem to know it is there.
But, I assure you it is there. Until now I didn't know this was not common knowledge.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.06 16:24:00 -
[440]
We're almost at the stage where I will be able to create a clone here in Stain for you so that you wont even need to fly the journey here.
The journey here is always hard, lots of the guys who have done the journey say it was one of the best experiences they've ever had in Eve.
The cost involved in going to 0.0 is quite cheap, I want to set the price for ship, items, and clone transfer to around 16m -20m per person and all of the profit will be used to ensure this service is maintained and always available.
contact us for a great adventure in Eve Online.
chat channel: e-a public website: http://www.eve-garden.net/
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.06 16:39:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian But, I assure you it is there. Until now I didn't know this was not common knowledge.
Until now common knowledge did claim that all Arkonor was removed from the belts in Stain with the release of Castor (weakening Stain Empire economically).
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.08 21:00:00 -
[442]
I like kestrels.
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.08 21:14:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Sirref Naes I like kestrels.
Aaron sells those for about 5 million.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.09 06:09:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Erick Odin
Originally by: Sirref Naes I like kestrels.
Aaron sells those for about 5 million.
To you and anyone in your Corp, AOV or Dalv's corp 20m.
Those that come down to try 0.0 have found us selling ships to them at a discount on Jita prices, as always you just open your mouth and rubbish which is devoid of facts comes out.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.09 15:06:00 -
[445]
Edited by: Roosterton on 09/09/2010 15:06:29
Quote: Complete edit as I was being too aggresive
No, Erick Odin has been an and idiotic forum troll since the end of the first hub zero thread. Please, be as aggressive as you want.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.09 15:35:00 -
[446]
Just want to say thanks to the people currently down here, its a pleasure working with you and I'm looking forward to some great operations.
Please try to get on voice with us when you can and we will plan and execute this well.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:20:00 -
[447]
Edited by: Aaron on 09/09/2010 22:25:43 A guy whose working with us has put a load of t2 items on the market which is great, its great that hes invested his isk down here and I'd like to assist him by getting more guys down here to consume it. This is how an economy works and its pretty cool to see it happening from the beginning.
I've even noticed a dude has put loads of moon mining materials on the market, this means i might possibly be able to start some small scale t2 manufacture myself.
This venture is about having a group of people that your cool with who specialise in certain aspects of the game.
Although PvP is a large part of eve it doesnt have to be the main focus down here. I would also add that a basic knowledge of pvp is a good tool to have. I've got a few friends on the test server, they would be happy to show you a thing or two.
Everything looks like its comming together OK.
Regarding our stance on NRDS/NBSI, well, its hard to say. One thing i will tell you is that we've got good instincts down here and it really does'nt take us long to see a neutrals bad intetions. the entire community will be informed quickly and they will get safe avoiding loss. We may also attempt deconstruction of the hostile neutral.
Again I want to thank the guys that came here, after all the mud thats been thrown at me you still came down and gave me a chance, your a cool set of guys and i'll look forward to having many adventures with you.
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Mr Huggle
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:40:00 -
[448]
I just wanted to but in and clear a few things up. I've been in this 0.0 system for about a week or so now, give or take, and with my limited play time I've already made over 150 million ISK. I know that doesn't seem alot to most people but for me it is more than I thought I would have at this time.
The main source of income so far has been True Sansha module drops. The first one, I noticed the TS in a belt, at the time I was flying a Punisher and couldn't take it down, so I mentioned on the E-A channel, incase anyone else wanted it and Aaron flew in killed it and said to help myself to the loot. The module I got I sold to Drac for 37 million and I didn't even do anything. I also know I got a good price for it because 1= Drac is a cool and very helpful person and 2= I checked up contracts on the item in Jita. Sure I could of got more if I contracted it and moved it myself (only a couple million more though) to Jita or wherever but being a noob hungry ISK *****, I wanted the cash there and then...to buy...
...my new Prophecy Battlecruiser which Drac sold to me for a massively discounted rate.
I really don't get why some people are so against this. It is a great little community down here. I've had lots of good fun and everyone is really helpful and welcoming. From helping me rat, to advice on fits, staying alive and anything that I normally pester the public channel with :D
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Plocsk
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:45:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Mr Huggle
I really don't get why some people are so against this. It is a great little community down here. I've had lots of good fun and everyone is really helpful and welcoming. From helping me rat, to advice on fits, staying alive and anything that I normally pester the public channel with :D
That's all very well. But have you tried insulting people in the channel and getting into heated arguments yet? You will quickly find it's not acceptable, and this is a pretty terrible state of affairs. You should be allowed to insult people whenever you like, especially Aaron, and they shouldn't be allowed to do anything back. In fact, it's so awful it's a completely legitimate reason to declare your ever-lasting hatred of Eternal Ascension and swear to never rest until they are nothing but ash.
/sarcasm
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:48:00 -
[450]
the people involved in the garden project are generally very nice
even just being in the chat room surreptitiously has shown me that they are all helpful guys mainly :D ♥
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:53:00 -
[451]
Originally by: Plocsk
Originally by: Mr Huggle
I really don't get why some people are so against this. It is a great little community down here. I've had lots of good fun and everyone is really helpful and welcoming. From helping me rat, to advice on fits, staying alive and anything that I normally pester the public channel with :D
That's all very well. But have you tried insulting people in the channel and getting into heated arguments yet? You will quickly find it's not acceptable, and this is a pretty terrible state of affairs. You should be allowed to insult people whenever you like, especially Aaron, and they shouldn't be allowed to do anything back. In fact, it's so awful it's a completely legitimate reason to declare your ever-lasting hatred of Eternal Ascension and swear to never rest until they are nothing but ash.
/sarcasm
/me tries to resist urge and fails, LMAO, had to respond to this, 10/10
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.10 13:27:00 -
[452]
Originally by: Mr Huggle
I really don't get why some people are so against this. It is a great little community down here. I've had lots of good fun and everyone is really helpful and welcoming.
Who is against it?
As a matter of fact, I am also starting a venture, very close to Hub-Zero. Please contact me in game and we will see how we can get you down here. We have lots of logistics to Stain. We have many man-years experience in Stain, we will help you get setup. If the carebear aspect of this venture doesn't appeal to you, and you want to hook up with a group of guys that doesn't worry so much about NRDS/NBSI/NTDS consider my venture!
I will also update this thread (since it is the only real thread about populating NPC 0.0). Maybe some of our guys can give some testimonials too.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.10 14:21:00 -
[453]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 10/09/2010 14:22:13
Originally by: Erick Odin Fail Attempt To Sabotage Thread
Ahemà
I have a testimonial to share. I have actually been down there to Stain, and I have seen how Local-Spike operate first hand. I think I know why you decided to live in A** end of the universe, if you were THAT disorganized in a Low Sec region closer to Empire you would be a laughing stock of easy Killmails.
The only reason why your people get away with antagonizing the locals, is because 1.) there is so few of them 2.) AaronÆs people are fresh from Empire and 3.) most have very low SP.
But you are right about one thing, there is more then one group making plans for the region. I am looking forward to farming your corporation for easy kills in the near future.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.10 17:26:00 -
[454]
Originally by: Mr Huggle
I really don't get why some people are so against this. It is a great little community down here. I've had lots of good fun and everyone is really helpful and welcoming. From helping me rat, to advice on fits, staying alive and anything that I normally pester the public channel with :D
If you use Eve-Search you can find the drama that resulted in the current relations with E-A. However, I personally think that it's all in the past. For the past couple months I haven't been on any killmail relating to a E-A person unless I was fired on first. Heck, I don't even go to Stain nearly as much anymore except to make ISK when missions get too mind-numbing.
Obviously I don't speak on behalf of my alliance (obviously this character isn't IN one, but those reading know who I am). I forgot to mention that you are in fact reading something that is called a signature. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.10 18:00:00 -
[455]
Originally by: Agent Unknown
Originally by: Mr Huggle
I really don't get why some people are so against this. It is a great little community down here. I've had lots of good fun and everyone is really helpful and welcoming. From helping me rat, to advice on fits, staying alive and anything that I normally pester the public channel with :D
If you use Eve-Search you can find the drama that resulted in the current relations with E-A. However, I personally think that it's all in the past. For the past couple months I haven't been on any killmail relating to a E-A person unless I was fired on first. Heck, I don't even go to Stain nearly as much anymore except to make ISK when missions get too mind-numbing.
Obviously I don't speak on behalf of my alliance (obviously this character isn't IN one, but those reading know who I am).
You're pretty cool Agent, vendetta is really a waste of time. Your attitude is good and I would most likley choose not firing on you if I ever saw you again.
There are still a few people here from the "I hate Aaron coallition" that I would hope choose to move on. For the moment it seems the guns are silent.
Take care Agent, and maybe I see you around o/
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.10 18:51:00 -
[456]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 10/09/2010 14:22:13
Originally by: Erick Odin Fail Attempt To Sabotage Thread
Ahemà
I have a testimonial to share. I have actually been down there to Stain, and I have seen how Local-Spike operate first hand. I think I know why you decided to live in A** end of the universe, if you were THAT disorganized in a Low Sec region closer to Empire you would be a laughing stock of easy Killmails.
The only reason why your people get away with antagonizing the locals, is because 1.) there is so few of them 2.) AaronÆs people are fresh from Empire and 3.) most have very low SP.
But you are right about one thing, there is more then one group making plans for the region. I am looking forward to farming your corporation for easy kills in the near future.
There have literally been dozens of people that claim they are coming, they are always in empire, some even come, most (all?) leave. Say what you will about our corp, at least we actually live there.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.10 19:06:00 -
[457]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 10/09/2010 19:08:14 Why do you feel he was attempting to sabotage the thread ?
We have been doing the exact same thing as aaron for a few months now. We recruit anyone who is willing to join our little corporation as long as they are 18 years or older.
Our views on NRDS and what is beeing referred to as "griefing" might be different, but we still accomplish the same thing - Get people to 0.0. We are Hub Zero with less rules and less self-promotion. How we recruit is also different.. hrm..
The battle between Local-Spike and Hub Zero happens for the most part on the forums. Stop playing victim for once, im asking you nicely.
Anyways, good luck when you decide to move. You refused to tell me where so i guess i will wait in excitement like everyone else P_p
Edit: Hi tri o/ Oh and i dont mean to be rude, just stating a fact. We manage to keep most of our new recruits.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.10 19:39:00 -
[458]
Edited by: Aaron on 10/09/2010 19:39:22
Originally by: Triethylene
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 10/09/2010 14:22:13
Originally by: Erick Odin Fail Attempt To Sabotage Thread
Ahemà
I have a testimonial to share. I have actually been down there to Stain, and I have seen how Local-Spike operate first hand. I think I know why you decided to live in A** end of the universe, if you were THAT disorganized in a Low Sec region closer to Empire you would be a laughing stock of easy Killmails.
The only reason why your people get away with antagonizing the locals, is because 1.) there is so few of them 2.) AaronÆs people are fresh from Empire and 3.) most have very low SP.
But you are right about one thing, there is more then one group making plans for the region. I am looking forward to farming your corporation for easy kills in the near future.
There have literally been dozens of people that claim they are coming, they are always in empire, some even come, most (all?) leave. Say what you will about our corp, at least we actually live there.
Well, the coallition you are involved in (Dalv, Logic, Gabriel) have made it their top priority to ensure that they keep a few of their members in our current location 23/7. This of course has had an affect on the number of people wanting to stay as the nature of this venture is bringing people down here that have had no experience of 0.0.
You seem to be bragging about your numbers as if this is some kind of rat race as if to say "we can do this better than you".
Level with me for a moment please Tri, What did I actually do to you directly? we both know the answer and that is nothing. I can understand others disliking me but not you.
Most of you say that I am of absolutley no interest to you guys whatsoever, if this is true why post here? why compare us guys to you guys?
Tri, forget the silly and childish vendetta and have a more relaxed attitude about it, I for one would be happy to fight you guys in organised fights where we have even numbers just to see who really is the best. If you think you are the best then I propose a 10vs10 battlecruiser fight to be held on a weekend at some point in the future.
Were all grown adults here, lets act like it.
EDIT: Snipe
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.10 20:12:00 -
[459]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 10/09/2010 19:08:14
Edit: Hi tri o/ Oh and i dont mean to be rude, just stating a fact. We manage to keep most of our new recruits.
Hey Bjornar, oh I was not talking about our recruits, I was talking about the loads of people that threaten us but never actually show up, or show up stay a few days/weeks and leave.
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frdbrlw1988
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Posted - 2010.09.10 20:13:00 -
[460]
Do u even have 10 pilots that are willing to risk there ships?
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frdbrlw1988
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Posted - 2010.09.10 20:17:00 -
[461]
So Aaron what do u say Pistol's at dawn, will you pick up the guantlet?
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Dagny Bronstein
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Posted - 2010.09.10 20:37:00 -
[462]
Originally by: frdbrlw1988 So Aaron what do u say Pistol's at dawn, will you pick up the guantlet?
lol, how come you think you're capable of giving satisfaction?
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frdbrlw1988
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.10 20:44:00 -
[463]
Dont u know? Aaron has a hard on for Local-Spike
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.10 20:49:00 -
[464]
Aaron doesnt like guns, he preferres to duel with Crazy taxi. But who doesnt?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.10 20:54:00 -
[465]
/me has a deja vu moment
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.10 21:11:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Aaron /me has a deja vu moment
Do you accept my challenge ? I got 57 000 points
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.10 21:39:00 -
[467]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 10/09/2010 21:40:02
Originally by: Triethylene
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 10/09/2010 19:08:14
Edit: Hi tri o/ Oh and i dont mean to be rude, just stating a fact. We manage to keep most of our new recruits.
Hey Bjornar, oh I was not talking about our recruits, I was talking about the loads of people that threaten us but never actually show up, or show up stay a few days/weeks and leave.
Ahem again...
Living is Stain is stupidly easy, you are bragging about it like it is some kind of right of passage. You putz around empty systems and cyno crap between NPC stations, this is not difficult. On top of that, you seem to have a mini-NAP train of other fail corp/alliances that inhabit the region, which serves to make life ever more simple for you.
It's kind of like, dare I say... living in Empire?
The only people you might impress are the ones that don't know any better. Kind of like Aaron's rookies who make their way out to Stain, without Jumpclones, inside of frigates and shuttles. I can at least respect them for having the balls to do that.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.10 22:00:00 -
[468]
Edited by: Aaron on 10/09/2010 22:01:10 Edited by: Aaron on 10/09/2010 22:00:50 Edited by: Aaron on 10/09/2010 22:00:30
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian The only people you might impress are the ones that don't know any better. Kind of like Aaron's rookies who make their way out to Stain, without Jumpclones, inside of frigates and shuttles. I can at least respect them for having the balls to do that.
Prepare yourself for the smooth talking Gabriel Angelus will try and get blue standing with you.
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.10 22:34:00 -
[469]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
I see a hell of allot of haulers and rookie ships on your killboard
We can confirm nor deny that some industrial ships on AAA jump bridge may have been bombed.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.10 22:40:00 -
[470]
Edited by: Roosterton on 10/09/2010 22:41:40 Edited by: Roosterton on 10/09/2010 22:41:04
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Originally by: Aaron /me has a deja vu moment
Do you accept my challenge ? I got 57 000 points
58,494 over here. Let's see if Aaron can de-throne me
Quote: We can confirm nor deny
So you can confirm but not deny? Great. So you DID bomb them?
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.09.10 22:41:00 -
[471]
Originally by: Erick Odin
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
I see a hell of allot of haulers and rookie ships on your killboard
We can confirm nor deny that some industrial ships on AAA jump bridge may have been bombed.
That probably sounded better in your head.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.10 22:42:00 -
[472]
Well that's one perk of the Sovereignty special Olympics, you don't get to mass drop bombs onto haulers in Empire.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.10 23:58:00 -
[473]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 11/09/2010 00:01:15 Fixing link
Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 10/09/2010 22:41:40 Edited by: Roosterton on 10/09/2010 22:41:04
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Originally by: Aaron /me has a deja vu moment
Do you accept my challenge ? I got 57 000 points
58,494 over here. Let's see if Aaron can de-throne me
LOCAL-SPAIKS ANNUAL CRAZY TAXI TOURNAMENT Lady or gentleman with highest score at the end of today wins a secret special prize!
http://bildr.no/image/718651.jpeg
This thread is now about Crazy Taxi. Discuss.
Im just joking you are allways allowed roostyboy<3
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.11 00:30:00 -
[474]
Quote: Im just joking you are allways allowed roostyboy<3
<3
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.11 01:50:00 -
[475]
It looks like summer is over.
I hope you kids are at least getting your homework done.
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.11 02:01:00 -
[476]
Pancakes!
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.11 10:18:00 -
[477]
I must report a huge victory for Local Spike yesterday, the brave BJ in his covert ops managed to plant a container in a safe spot close to the station with the words "Long Live LOCAL SPIKE" on it... All us Hubbites are in awe at this act and have left it alone to celebrate his brave act.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.11 10:23:00 -
[478]
My trusty old magnate allways gets the job done
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Meridith Akesia
Men of Questionable Moral Fibre The Worst Alliance in Eve
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Posted - 2010.09.11 11:24:00 -
[479]
Nice to see this is well on its way towards threadnaught status.
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.11 12:36:00 -
[480]
FYI... Any cans that are off grid near the station are used for bomb storage.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.11 12:51:00 -
[481]
Originally by: Sirref Naes FYI... Any cans that are off grid near the station are used for bomb storage.
interesting.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.11 13:24:00 -
[482]
I never got that memo
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.11 16:14:00 -
[483]
Originally by: Meridith Akesia Nice to see this is well on its way towards threadnaught status.
I thought to qualify for threadnaught status there actually had to be content in the thread?
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.11 16:16:00 -
[484]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 11/09/2010 10:27:02 My trusty old magnate allways gets the job done Edit: I do not use a covops, my magnate has avoided gatecamps so far.
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Quote: ...bomb storage.
I never got that memo
I'm starting to see a correlation...
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Featherhead
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Posted - 2010.09.11 19:06:00 -
[485]
Well i have certainly found plenty of content in this thread it has encouraged me to move to 0.0 where i have met plenty of very nice people, made lots of iskys and had a great deal more fun than i was having in Empire. I am sorry that some people seem to have issues with Aaron and his selfless interesting mission. I suggest you get over it or you might start coming across as a bit obsessed over a computer game
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Mr Huggle
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Posted - 2010.09.11 19:27:00 -
[486]
Originally by: Featherhead Well i have certainly found plenty of content in this thread it has encouraged me to move to 0.0 where i have met plenty of very nice people, made lots of iskys and had a great deal more fun than i was having in Empire. I am sorry that some people seem to have issues with Aaron and his selfless interesting mission. I suggest you get over it or you might start coming across as a bit obsessed over a computer game
QFT
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.11 20:52:00 -
[487]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 11/09/2010 20:55:29 Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 11/09/2010 20:53:44
Originally by: Featherhead Well i have certainly found plenty of content in this thread it has encouraged me to move to 0.0 where i have met plenty of very nice people, made lots of iskys and had a great deal more fun than i was having in Empire. I am sorry that some people seem to have issues with Aaron and his selfless interesting mission. I suggest you get over it or you might start coming across as a bit obsessed over a computer game
If you invest in a buisness opportinity in "Market Discussions" and later find out that everyone knew it was a scam but they could not be bothered to post about it. How would you feel?
While its not the same this has some similarities, we are offering you our side of the story. If you look back at older posts you will notice there is more than anger and frustration. There is also posts encouraging NRDS, posts confronting lies, sharing the dark side of this venture..etc..
I will use my history with Aaron as it is the only truth i know. I came down, everything was great and i kept a neutral attitude to Aaron and these awful dissidents. Unlike you who have oppinions after a few days down here it sounds like from your post.
Dissidents (Soon to be, or were i dont remmeber - LocalSpike) told me that after a while i would learn for my self and leave. I said i would have to experience that for my self as i dont know who to believe, after a month or so i did. I do not remember the spesifics but i remember Aaron breaking the truce with Local-Spike after a week? I realised Aaron cared more about his vengeance/Honor than how his followers felt. I was not alone in leaving at that time as up to 2-3 others felt the same way. I will not name them, they can come fourth with their own story. I left without doing any harm to Aaron and i felt that all was okay. I jump cloned back from empire a month later, then i was told i was not to be trusted. And that Aaron did not want me there. Oh well he truly is looney toones back to highsec i guess :(((
I joined Local-Spike, did not get the princess yet but i did live happily ever after. The end.
PS: Please avoid flaming, trolling and other such activities. Lets be serious for a few posts. I also dont care that this has been repeated. I told this story not to make you leave Aaron, but to realise you might get suprised and therefore its not worth it to say Aaron is nice man. Localspike mean. before experiencing abit more.
TL;DR: Joined Aaron, was told; Yo he crazy Left due to bad descisionmaking imo, but as friends i thought. Came back, Aaron was mean. Realised New Eden, like the real world, is not Black/White. Joined the outcasts.
Edit for bad spelling
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.11 22:03:00 -
[488]
Edited by: Aaron on 11/09/2010 22:03:43 BJ, You were not involved in this truce at the time so im having a difficult time understanding where your comming from as ive done nothing directly to you.
When u left what was hub zero you seemed to leave because everyone else was leaving (my perception okay), it was at this point i had asked you to stay neutral. you went back to hi sec for a few weeks then returned flying the Local-Spike banner as your corp.
Why dont you just tell it like it is BJ, u think Gab and Co are cooler than me and u simply want to do whatever they are doing.
Edit: we should leave this in the past man.
Edit: 4th Snipe in this thread.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.11 22:46:00 -
[489]
Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 11/09/2010 22:47:26
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace If you invest in a buisness opportinity in "Market Discussions" and later find out that everyone knew it was a scam but they could not be bothered to post about it. How would you feel?
Hopefully he would feel stupid
Due diligence is always your very own duty whether in MD or rgd this initiative makes no difference. (and in MD we have a very, very hard time trying to get this thought into people's heads )
Investing a lot of time/effort in this venture without having read the previous thread is imo just plain stupid.
That being said, judging this venture just based on the previous thread without taking into account the (imo very positive) developments since (and during the course of that thread!) is equally narrow-minded.
Here's my story: I left Hub Zero in conflict with Aaron & Dracvlad. I have come back half a year later and the first thing I smashed into their face was that I don't intend to apologize for anything. In return they have helped me out with logistics, gave me access to their intel channel and show great respect for the fact that there are some aspects in which I wish to collaborate with them and others in which I value my independence.
my 2c of advice: Don't come down to UF- to "join Aaron", come down to join "Hub Zero/The Garden" and to collaborate with Aaron in making this project a success. There is more than just black and white and there's a lot of room between believing in Aaron being infallible on the one side and setting him (and everyone remotely associated with the Hub Zero Project) to "shoot on sight" on the other side.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.09.11 23:12:00 -
[490]
Why do this guys threads persist? Seriously someone kill this **** with fire already.
I haven't read a single page of this thread and I absolutely 100% certain it is full of nothing but garbage.
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Featherhead
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Posted - 2010.09.12 00:16:00 -
[491]
ty for your reply Bjornar
Of course you are right not everything is black & white and admittedly i have only been down here for about 2 weeks so my experience is not that great. I can only base my opinions on how i have been treated by people and the ideals of the mission i have signed up for, the posts in these threads and the conversations i have seen in local.
There is no 'evil' side and it is frustrating that some people seem to want to continue some sort of vendetta against Aaron and what he is trying to build (though i am hoping we leave this area sooner rather than later as it seems to be more drama than it's worth). All i know is that this seems like an interesting venture, the people have been very kind to me and are all sound. It is not really possible for me to remain neutral due to being killed by members of your clan (tbf he seemed like a nice chap) and chased by all sorts of people. I am not saying these people are bad people, in fact i don't think i have met a single poophead so far.
I don't mean to flame or anything i am just saying my opinion from what i have experienced so far. It has been fun and i have made some isk and if more people from Empire came down to join the Garden (or yourselves) i think they would have fun as well. If Aaron goes dolally or something then we'll just do one and find somewhere else to play. I got to take things how i find them.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.12 00:19:00 -
[492]
im here for the concept not any one person lol
x
EVE Garden |
BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.12 01:23:00 -
[493]
To Aaron: I was not interested in bringing up old news. Its all water under the bridge, i only used it as an example for the point i was making. And you remember incorrectly, i was there when the negotiations for blue standings begun. I don't know if it was the first time, or the last time, but i was certainly there when blue standings were being negotiated.
I have nothing against you personally, i enjoyed beeing in your corp the short while i was there. Teamspeak and corpchat was allways friendly until things didnÆt go your way as much as you would like it to... And you are beeing offensive if you are suggesting im in Local-Spike because gabriel is cool.. This isnÆt high school!
Stop attacking me instead of my posts.
To cat and pinkerton: I agree with you, its just a lot easier to say Aaron than Hub zero or Aaron and his allies. Plus i have grown accustomed to it :)
Wow getting late now, stop keeping me up
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.12 01:29:00 -
[494]
Ok Bjorn, im still a bit puzzeled about why your posting here.
Do you want to turn the folk that come here against me? do you want to make peace with us? spell it out for me please bjorn.
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Yavanna Akallabeth
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Posted - 2010.09.12 01:30:00 -
[495]
Just wondering if forming an Hub Zero Alliance would make it easier to maintain control over the troops and be able to weed out the scum.
Just asking Cheers Yavanna
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.12 01:43:00 -
[496]
Edited by: Aaron on 12/09/2010 01:44:51 We cant talk about forming alliances here as it is not the correct forum.
I feel this venture is about overcomming the barriers of corp/alliance and simply working with someone because they are in the same community as you.
so i think its still possible to ask neutrals to observe certain protocols which will enable them to fleet up with other corps and pvp or mine.
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.12 05:07:00 -
[497]
Originally by: Sader Rykane Why do this guys threads persist? Seriously someone kill this **** with fire already.
I haven't read a single page of this thread and I absolutely 100% certain it is full of nothing but garbage.
I'm clearly here just to troll... But that's pretty much what 99% of this game is (the other 1% is veldspar.)
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.12 11:37:00 -
[498]
If you had read my last posts a bit more carefully you would know. I am not trying to turn people against you even though it might seem that way. I also think that would be impossible without proof of something crappy that you have done before, which i dont have nor plan to try and find. Also this is where i stop by when im bored and i'v allready read the seemingly interesting threads in the forums i patrol
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.09.12 12:48:00 -
[499]
Tbh all issues in Hub Zero were caused by a clash of Aaron and someone else with a massive ego. If you weren't so full of yourselves things would have gone fine.
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Daisuke Aoki
Gallente Independent Coalition OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.12 12:57:00 -
[500]
Why the hell do these posts things always turn into threadnaughts?
I'm curious. Someone explain wtf happened so I don't need to read 17 pages?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.12 15:12:00 -
[501]
This venture is what it is. Ive noticed recently that quite a few guys are stepping up within the community and taking a few guys under their wing and showing them the ropes. People are making it their business to ensure this venture succeeds.
Ive always said this venture is about the guys from hi-sec and this proves to be correct.
I dont think Gab, Logic, Dalv will ever let go of the feud, the time for diplomacy has long past and I will always have to defend myself from them.
My advice to the hi-sec guys is to ignore what Gab's crew say and do your thing, network yourself well with the group of guys here already and youll have limited problems. Don't let a few guys with sour grapes stop you from having epic fun down here.
Again, thank you to all who are involved in this, it's not possible without you.
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Typherian
Minmatar Legio Invicta Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.09.12 17:08:00 -
[502]
Targets are targets. If i'm in the area sure I'll kill you and yours but if I'm not I definately won't go out there just to camp you. I do have other things to do with my time you know. Same with the rest of AOV. Some of us may spend time out there but they go there to make isk before returning to the main AO. You aren't even on our alliance "To do" list. With all honesty I can say Good luck Aaron. Sure I hope local spike kicks you around a bit but that has nothing to do with you and everything do to the fact that I like local spike. If they were trying to kick the crap outa someone else my opinion would be the same. Good luck Aaron Good luck Hub zero MK OVER9000. See you in space.
PS. HI BJORNAR!
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.12 18:47:00 -
[503]
So why was your alliance leader LogiCFX here hassling one of our new guys recently?
Originally by: Typherian Targets are targets. If i'm in the area sure I'll kill you and yours but if I'm not I definately won't go out there just to camp you. I do have other things to do with my time you know. Same with the rest of AOV. Some of us may spend time out there but they go there to make isk before returning to the main AO. You aren't even on our alliance "To do" list. With all honesty I can say Good luck Aaron. Sure I hope local spike kicks you around a bit but that has nothing to do with you and everything do to the fact that I like local spike. If they were trying to kick the crap outa someone else my opinion would be the same. Good luck Aaron Good luck Hub zero MK OVER9000. See you in space.
PS. HI BJORNAR!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.12 19:18:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Dracvlad So why was your alliance leader LogiCFX here hassling one of our new guys recently?
Originally by: Typherian Targets are targets. If i'm in the area sure I'll kill you and yours but if I'm not I definately won't go out there just to camp you. I do have other things to do with my time you know. Same with the rest of AOV. Some of us may spend time out there but they go there to make isk before returning to the main AO. You aren't even on our alliance "To do" list. With all honesty I can say Good luck Aaron. Sure I hope local spike kicks you around a bit but that has nothing to do with you and everything do to the fact that I like local spike. If they were trying to kick the crap outa someone else my opinion would be the same. Good luck Aaron Good luck Hub zero MK OVER9000. See you in space.
PS. HI BJORNAR!
That's an American tactic to tell people they are not under attack while attacking them.
What's funny is that the more people working out of the Garden, the more indirect pressure will be on AOV to protect their claims. They lost already given Typherian's comments. There is no need to fight them directly, but instead let them use tens of millions of ISK worth of tech to seek out targets that cost a fraction (if they get a kill) or are not presented at all, and time spent not earning ISK.
And since this is a PVP game I think a good time will be had by all no matter how poorly some people handle the emotional aspects of it.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.12 21:36:00 -
[505]
Luckily there are a lot of things more important ingame than isk. If someone only cares about the figure in their wallet Stain is not the place for them...
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.13 00:55:00 -
[506]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Luckily there are a lot of things more important ingame than isk. If someone only cares about the figure in their wallet Stain is not the place for them...
We're not stupid we can see what you're doing. We will come together and defend ourselves from the likes of you bullies and those like you.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.13 08:35:00 -
[507]
Herzog Wolfhammer its gets even more interesting Typerian and his corp have left AOV who are now down to 98 members and 4 corps. So I wonder just who he was speaking for? And I now have the pleasure of LogiCFX in UF-KKH in the Shipyard while Dalv and Cata spend their time undocking and docking. There are now 4 members of the Night Thiefs in UF-KKH, no interest, Dracvlad gets a fit of the giggles...
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.13 12:19:00 -
[508]
Originally by: Aaron Ok Bjorn, im still a bit puzzeled about why your posting here.
Do you want to turn the folk that come here against me? do you want to make peace with us? spell it out for me please bjorn.
I can answer that.
Because you are responding
The question I cannot answer is, why are you responding?
Child makes sandcastle, Child says to Bully, "hey, I just made a sandcastle" Bully destroys sandcastle. Child makes another sandcastle, Child says to Bully, "hey, I just made another sandcastle, I'ts bigger and better than the last one" Bully destroys sandcastle...
Can you see where this is going?
All the rest of the children who are not ENCOURAGING the Bully get to build there sandcastles in peace.
This is your downfall, the sole reason, hundreds of people have looked at this thread and thought, "yes, yes, YES... Oh wait no, NO, maybe not" In that order...
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.13 15:33:00 -
[509]
Originally by: Dracvlad
It gets even better, LogiCFX joined with Dalv and one of his minions killing a blue (to Dalv) in UF.
This was a strange incident, the victim allied themselves with Dalv, Gab, and AOV and even helped them take a few of my ships.
Here's the killmail "killmail"
I believe it started over the victim choosing to rat in a system where Dalv rats. He was told by Dalv to move along and did'nt comply so they destroyed his ship.
I was a bit suprised at logicfx joining in on the kill.
To anyone who wants to join Dalv, Gab, and AOV, good luck to you.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:35:00 -
[510]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 16:37:38
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Luckily there are a lot of things more important ingame than isk. If someone only cares about the figure in their wallet Stain is not the place for them...
Once again living in Stain is not hard
Living in the a** end of space where no one else bothers to go does not make you a pilot of exceptional caliber.
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.13 16:57:00 -
[511]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 16:37:38
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Luckily there are a lot of things more important ingame than isk. If someone only cares about the figure in their wallet Stain is not the place for them...
Once again living in Stain is not hard
Living in the a** end of space where no one else bothers to go does not make you a pilot of exceptional caliber.
I can't tell if you're a**-chewing SPKE or Eternal since they're both on the same "a**-end" pipe that you're talking about.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.13 17:00:00 -
[512]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 17:02:19 Aaron's people are making no claim of awesomeness for their endeavors, in fact, as far as I have read, Aaron has repeated time and time again that "It is easier then you think"
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.13 17:13:00 -
[513]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 16:37:38
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Luckily there are a lot of things more important ingame than isk. If someone only cares about the figure in their wallet Stain is not the place for them...
Once again living in Stain is not hard
Living in the a** end of space where no one else bothers to go does not make you a pilot of exceptional caliber.
You missed the point of my post, and your attitude is pretty crappy.. You can save the rudeness and sarcasm for someone who actually cares what you post.
Nobody should live in Stain purely to make isk unless they macrorat, or deal with POS buisness which could be done lots of other places. If ISK is their only priority then they should live in Jita and do trading. In the beginning the above activities will ofc net more isk, but in the end trading will get you richer.
Stain is no harder or easier than other NPC 0.0. It all depends which constallation/system you settle down in and how ****ed you get your neighbors... Like any other region Stain has crowded systems and empty systems. When you look at game mechanics and not the amount of players Stain is harder to live in than alliance 0.0 (for the attackers) since your enemies can dock as much as your allies.
In alliance 0.0 you will get the home defence fleets but they will get bored or you can just move on to another system. In Stain we get roaming fleets and people who camp us. We can also wait it out or go somewhere else. Or fight them obviously, but that is irrelevant as it wont do much good except provide fun.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.13 18:07:00 -
[514]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 18:11:11
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Stain is no harder or easier than other NPC 0.0.
Nope it is much easier, because it is so remote and that is why you are your corp live there.
Also, welcome to the Troll the Trolls minigame
Edit:
I went back and read your rant again... I don't recall mentioning ISK.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.13 18:37:00 -
[515]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 13/09/2010 18:20:10
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Stain is no harder or easier than other NPC 0.0.
Nope it is much easier, because it is so remote and that is why you and your corp live there.
Also, welcome to the Troll the Trolls minigame
Edit:
I went back and read your rant again... I don't recall mentioning ISK.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, so leave it.
If you are going to respond to and quote my posts i ask you to actually have an idea what we are discussing and save some space in that mind of yours for previous posts. 1. You guys were discussing isk efficiency in PvP (Not killboard isk efficiency, but "time spent pvp'ing is time lost pve'ing" isk efficiency. As in when you pvp you loose isk you could have made). 2. I said that its not all about isk, and if its all about isk then Stain is not the place for you. (Jita is :O ) 3. You misunderstand and think im saying that Stain is a hard place to live and therefore this discussion. You post a arrogant and crappy post stating Stain is easy with no arguments why.
"Nope it is much easier, because it is so remote" Some would say the logistics make it hard, and for medium sized Pvp gangs its very easy to break through AAA's gatecamps from highsec "and that is why you and your corp live there." Wrong as usual
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.13 19:06:00 -
[516]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Wrong as usual <----[Oh yea he's mad ]
Now you see I didn't read any of that, I only skipped to the end
I shall now insert a classic "UMAD?" with some ROLF Waffles on top for good measure. This thread is beginning to stink up the forums, and as far as I can tell both Aaron and Aaron's people have only asked for more visitors. They have all been respectful despite people like you sabotaging their thread, and they have continued to conduct themselves well in spite of it.
IMO that says allot about them...it also says allot about the people who keep trying to derail it. It is what now? 17 Pages in? Give it a rest already. I am only here because people like you are here, and counter Trolling amuses me greatly. So by all means continue young man, I am enjoying myself.
And In case You Missed It Before
Stain is an EXTREMELY easy place to live in. Far easier then low sec or other NPC regions. It is almost completely empty, it has decent plexes, and now that there are wormholes it is literally a cakewalk to exist there. The only people who don't want you to know about this are the fail Corporations and Alliances that are NAP'd down there because they don't want any competition.
This bud's for you BJ \0/
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.13 20:26:00 -
[517]
I can't speak for my whole corporation, but I can say personally that I, Erick Odin, loyal follower of the the Great Leader Gabriel Angelus, am elite for living in Stain.
And if you don't like it kiss my big fat Amarrian Helmet.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.13 20:41:00 -
[518]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 13/09/2010 20:42:06 I try to be serious and not troll. You troll and thats fine. Was getting too serious anyways :)
Edit: You can speak for me too <3
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.13 22:57:00 -
[519]
Dalv,
The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.13 23:26:00 -
[520]
Im just curious, isnt it ages since Dalv has posted or does he have an forumposting alt?
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.09.13 23:39:00 -
[521]
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11293470 I guess
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.14 01:10:00 -
[522]
Counter Troll Extraordinare
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.14 03:29:00 -
[523]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Counter Troll Extraordinare
I wouldn't say "Extraordinare"... maybe novice
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.14 07:10:00 -
[524]
Well I think you are trolling, you are creating your own argument points, classic troll behaviour...
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 13/09/2010 20:42:06 I try to be serious and not troll. You troll and thats fine. Was getting too serious anyways :)
Edit: You can speak for me too <3
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.14 10:02:00 -
[525]
oh no... i lost a ship... i think i will go back to highsec now.
or maybe i will go mad and throw all my ships at the enemy like the ******ed person that i am ?
Or will i desperately go to the forums trying to get some imaginary huge support, threatening my enemies that this is theyr last chance for redemption ?
NO!
i shall remind you all that:
Aaron's mother is fat.
[ i am only talking about the in-game mother of Aaron, no reference to his RL persona is being made and that sentence is there for RP purposes ]
Now report me :)
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.14 10:34:00 -
[526]
Originally by: Dracvlad Well I think you are trolling, you are creating your own argument points, classic troll behaviour...
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 13/09/2010 20:42:06 I try to be serious and not troll. You troll and thats fine. Was getting too serious anyways :)
Edit: You can speak for me too <3
You have to excuse me if i misunderstood, becayse english is my second language. Of course i make up my own arguments, we dont get cheatsheets handed to us.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.14 12:04:00 -
[527]
BjornarGoesToSpace,
First of all I would not belittle your English and I do not like it when people do it, but you should not hide behind it. A Troll is someone who twists what others have said to create a different argument to make a point which changes the whole thread, so that they hijack it and people respond to the Troll rather than the original thread. The discussion on ISK was in the value of Stain as compared to level 4's, there was no relationship to ISK and PvP and how you managed to decide to make a point on that and how it does not relate to making a living/surviving in Stain is classic troll behaviour. Does that explain it?
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Originally by: Dracvlad Well I think you are trolling, you are creating your own argument points, classic troll behaviour...
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 13/09/2010 20:42:06 I try to be serious and not troll. You troll and thats fine. Was getting too serious anyways :)
Edit: You can speak for me too <3
You have to excuse me if i misunderstood, becayse english is my second language. Of course i make up my own arguments, we dont get cheatsheets handed to us.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.14 16:16:00 -
[528]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 14/09/2010 16:22:35 What i said about my english was just to let you know that i might have misunderstood your post when i replied. As a way to make it easier for you if i misunderstood. I am not hiding behind it in any way. The way i understood your post is that you are saying that i am a troll because i make up my own arguments. Of course i make up my own arguments, its not like Gabriel Angelus gives everyone a list of forumposts and we throw them out there when we feel its our turn. But he damn sure needs to get started on that because im running out of crap to post. Cheers o/
Edit:
My only point was that some sentences have hidden meanings or they can mean severall things. That creates misunderstandings between people which is unesecearyscaercry. Like in Norway its rude to not eat all your food, while in the middle-east you should leave some food left on the plate or else they will keep stuffing your face :)
Like "argument points" is to me just like saying arguments. And i cant understand why anyone would not come up with their own arguments, so i came to the conclusion that i misunderstood due to the language barrier. Nothing more complex than that :)))
I also dont think you are the person to make fun of someones english-skills, and if you did i would have no problem with that. If someone gets hurt on the internet they sure as hell wont last long
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.14 17:41:00 -
[529]
Edited by: Aaron on 14/09/2010 17:41:40
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Also a friendly reminder we need to do 10 vs 10 battlecruiser or whatever fight soon. Send a mail to gabriel angelus and challenge him so we can get our big boy pants on and do some fighting! Because no matter who loses its going to be damn fun!
Tbh, I'm going to retract that offer of a 10 vs 10, If I take an unbiased view of the whole affair I'd say that u guys have drained all of the fun from this.
Yes I have made mistakes and learned from them, but u guys have gone way too far. If your Idea of fun is to hassle someone forever after you've fallen out with them I want nothing to do with it as this has gone on for over a year now.
It appears I have somewhat adapted to the way Dalv attacks me and I'm now in a position to properly defend myself against him. He is no longer a massive threat to me and ive observed lots of his Fc'ing.
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Weight What
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.14 19:54:00 -
[530]
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 14/09/2010 17:41:40
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Also a friendly reminder we need to do 10 vs 10 battlecruiser or whatever fight soon. Send a mail to gabriel angelus and challenge him so we can get our big boy pants on and do some fighting! Because no matter who loses its going to be damn fun!
Tbh, I'm going to retract that offer of a 10 vs 10, If I take an unbiased view of the whole affair I'd say that u guys have drained all of the fun from this.
Yes I have made mistakes and learned from them, but u guys have gone way too far. If your Idea of fun is to hassle someone forever after you've fallen out with them I want nothing to do with it as this has gone on for over a year now.
It appears I have somewhat adapted to the way Dalv attacks me and I'm now in a position to properly defend myself against him. He is no longer a massive threat to me and ive observed lots of his Fc'ing.
It's been a while but I thought I should dig the old Oracle out...
Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball A young child at the seaside, the cruel wind has blown his candyfloss onto a crab. The boy weeps; a mandolin plays. Nothing persists; sorrow endures.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:03:00 -
[531]
A fight is just what we need and you are coming up with a poor excuse. Are you going to keep your word or not ? dont blame us if you dont intend to..
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:18:00 -
[532]
Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 14/09/2010 21:23:56
Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball A young child at the seaside, the cruel wind has blown his candyfloss onto a crab. The boy weeps; a mandolin plays. Nothing persists; sorrow endures.
/end of this silly epeen waving
BjornarGoesToSpace was trying to be reasonable, had some misunderstandings with Dracvlad (mainly due to the difference between "making an argument" and "making up an argument") and somehow the whole flaming/trolling got out of control once again.
I would really appreciate if this thread could mature towards trying to provide potential newcomers a multi-faceted and realistic description of the life in UF. I believe that the idea of providing newcomers a lose NRDS/NTDS-based support group for their life in NPC 0.0 can work well. I don't think we will get there by following the approach taken in the last few pages of this thread.
IMO communicating that any sort of pvp is always about flaming, trolling and endless personal conflicts between the opposing parties is not only unrealistic but also detrimental to encouraging people to actually give this venture a try.
Some guys around UF- practice NBSI and/or have everyone aligned with the Hub Zero/Garden project on their red-list. Some of these were former allies of Aaron and would maybe like to see this venture fail. That's all perfectly normal in EVE (remember it's a pvp game after all) and nothing to make a fuzz about.
You go out and fight for your convictions and for your "right" to live undisturbed in UF, they go out and fight because of whatever happens to motivate them and at the end of the day it's all supposed to be part of an enjoyable game. (inb4 both parties assuring that they enjoy the mutual trolling)
In my opinion the situation in UF- currently suffers a lot from people (on the EA side of things) taking the small skirmishes that do happen way too seriously and personal - it's illusory to believe you can live in NPC 0.0 without being surrounded by a lot of reds; and whether it's Local Spike, AoV, Dalv or Stain Empire you end up fighting (or hiding/running from - both are legitimate options depending on the nature of the situation at hand) doesn't really matter because even if it were possible to drive one of them away another one would show up soon enough to fill that gap.
To repeat myself: that state of affairs is perfectly normal and nothing substantial about that will ever change (unless you choose to live in an even more remote corner of 0.0 without any resources at all) - new arrivals will have to learn to deal with it and it is part of our responsibility to help them into a mindset that makes dealing with reds/pvp part of the challenge & fun that is EVE and not some spiteful struggle.
(dunno why Weight What had to put DragonRiderTao in a stupid ball though^^)
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Plocsk
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:31:00 -
[533]
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton enjoyable game
LOL You should enjoy the pain you inflict on people, not the game itself. The game is just a tool to attain the REAL enjoyment.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.14 21:43:00 -
[534]
Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 14/09/2010 21:44:21
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Im just curious, isnt it ages since Dalv has posted or does he have an forumposting alt?
Dalv was not online/on holidays? for some time, he only returned on Sunday.
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Also a friendly reminder we need to do 10 vs 10 battlecruiser or whatever fight soon. Send a mail to gabriel angelus and challenge him so we can get our big boy pants on and do some fighting! Because no matter who loses its going to be damn fun!
I agree that it would be damn fun to actually get a gf once in a while.
The first problem with the 10vs10 proposal is that Aaron simply doesn't have 10 reasonably well-skilled bc pilots under his command. And (I guess) because he is on the one hand too proud to admit this fact and does on the other hand try to avoid giving any semblance of weakness so not to deter potential newcomers you insisting on that duel makes him having to come up with excuses and/or lose face. That's not so fun anymore
The other problem is that in the current atmosphere the side winning this kind of engagement would try to make a big deal of the win no matter what has been said before the fighting takes place; that makes everybody go crazy about the potential fallout from this sort of fight and takes a lot of the fun out of it as well.
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Liquldsteel
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Posted - 2010.09.14 22:32:00 -
[535]
$hit it hurt my brain just trying to pronounce this "unesecearyscaercry""
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.14 22:35:00 -
[536]
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
I agree that it would be damn fun to actually get a gf once in a while.
Yeah we should definitly get a arranged x vs x fight in cheap ships. I think it would be no problem to get that arranged without one side breaking the rules or getting pist afterwards, i think both sides are mature enough and cool about it.
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
The first problem with the 10vs10 proposal is that Aaron simply doesn't have 10 reasonably well-skilled bc pilots under his command. And (I guess) because he is on the one hand too proud to admit this fact and does on the other hand try to avoid giving any semblance of weakness so not to deter potential newcomers you insisting on that duel makes him having to come up with excuses and/or lose face. That's not so fun anymore
The number or who wins should not matter and i know you agree with this. If someone were to brag on the forums about it they would be the loser in my eyes. But it will probably happen at some point, we are all weak to temptations :p
Local-Spike will bring the exotic dancers if the carebears with teeth bring the quafe :)
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
The other problem is that in the current atmosphere the side winning this kind of engagement would try to make a big deal of the win no matter what has been said before the fighting takes place; that makes everybody go crazy about the potential fallout from this sort of fight and takes a lot of the fun out of it as well.
We will just have to make an agreement that the first side to brag is a bunch of f*#ñ ***gots
Lets put ships were our mouth is and die in a fire! Dear ladies and gents of high security space, come to Stain and have some fun :) YAY
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.14 22:39:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Liquldsteel $hit it hurt my brain just trying to pronounce this "unesecearyscaercry""
I am flabbergasted by your comments :) <- its a word, englishmen are crazy!
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Liquldsteel
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Posted - 2010.09.14 22:48:00 -
[538]
Your search - unesecearyscaercry - did not match any documents.
Suggestions:
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.15 02:08:00 -
[539]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw Like this but without cowboyhats :S
I'm so confused... which one is gab and which one is aaron? And my final quesiton, can I be the biker?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.15 04:59:00 -
[540]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Wrong as usual <----[Oh yea he's mad ]
Now you see I didn't read any of that, I only skipped to the end
I shall now insert a classic "UMAD?" with some ROLF Waffles on top for good measure. This thread is beginning to stink up the forums, and as far as I can tell both Aaron and Aaron's people have only asked for more visitors. They have all been respectful despite people like you sabotaging their thread, and they have continued to conduct themselves well in spite of it.
IMO that says allot about them...it also says allot about the people who keep trying to derail it. It is what now? 17 Pages in? Give it a rest already. I am only here because people like you are here, and counter Trolling amuses me greatly. So by all means continue young man, I am enjoying myself.
And In case You Missed It Before
Stain is an EXTREMELY easy place to live in. Far easier then low sec or other NPC regions. It is almost completely empty, it has decent plexes, and now that there are wormholes it is literally a cakewalk to exist there. The only people who don't want you to know about this are the fail Corporations and Alliances that are NAP'd down there because they don't want any competition.
This bud's for you BJ \0/
Oh great. Eternum posted something I agree with. I think perhaps my health is failing.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:22:00 -
[541]
Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 15/09/2010 12:26:07
Due to the recent events surrounding the attack on -A- we advise everybody who is interested in coming to UF- to avoid traveling through Catch if possible.
In Stain it is wise to avoid the areas immediately surrounding DSS- and LGK- and extra caution has to be exercised whenever traveling more than a few jumps away from UF.
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Weight What
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.15 13:42:00 -
[542]
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
(dunno why Weight What had to put DragonRiderTao in a stupid ball though^^)
Because I'm not quoting him; this is a unique reading from my Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball. :) -----------------------------------------------
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.15 14:50:00 -
[543]
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
(dunno why Weight What had to put DragonRiderTao in a stupid ball though^^)
Because I'm not quoting him; this is a unique reading from my Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball. :)
omg i thought you had vanished into some mystical mists lol!
i like your magic dragon rider ball z thingmy
\o/
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Otto TheRed
Gallente Scions of Ithaca
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:23:00 -
[544]
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
I would really appreciate if this thread could mature towards trying to provide potential newcomers a multi-faceted and realistic description of the life in UF.
I moved down to Stain about 1 month ago, prompted in large part by reading through two gigantic Hub-zero threadnaughts from about a year ago and being damn curious about what was actually going on down there. (A little background: I moved to lowsec about 6 weeks after starting Eve and I have had no problem building a moderately profitable scanning & trading career in lowsec. My medical clone is in lowsec)
If it is any help to empire pilots contemplating the move to Stain, here is what I have encountered to date:
1) Aaron and company have been very helpful. He has brought ships and mods down for me in his carrier. Of course he charges for that service, but it would have been extremely difficult for me to get my feet under me logistically otherwise, so I consider that a fair bargain.
2) The E-A folks and other new arrivals have been likewise helpful in chat, advising on a range of topics and providing moral support if nothing else.
3) Exploration has been a big disappointment. I had imagined pristine systems packed with Radar & soloable combat sites. In fact I haven't scanned a single radar site even though I've gone 8-10 systems up and down the UF-KHH pipeline.
4) Ratting, on the other hand, has been surprisingly lucrative, and I have no problems soloing multiple BS spawns in nothing more than a plan vanilla Myrmidon. Its easy clear a few belts and make 10-12 million in a short time. This is actually enough income to keep me in business in 0.0
5) Of course, there are other pilots in the region and I definitely spend a lot of time dodging them and hiding. This can be a bit of a drag, but in all honesty, it is exactly what I expected to encounter in 0.0. If things get too uncomfortable, I just jumpclone back to the peace and quiet of lowsec for a day or two.
6) As I said above, Aaron & the E-A folks have been very helpful, which I appreciate, although I am in no way formally aligned with them.
7) By the same token, the anti-Hub pilots have done nothing to me that was unexpected or out of line (other than chase me around which as I said above was totally understandable.)
Bottom line: As someone who played WoW (sorry!) since its inception, I find the constant danger of Eve and 0.0 specifically very refreshing. I don't see any reason why I won't be able to carve out a part time career in Stain just like I have in lowsec. I plan on sticking around for quite some time time.
I'd encourage any hisec dwellers who are willing to rise to challenges and put up with some hardship and hassle to give it a try.
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Weight What
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:48:00 -
[545]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
(dunno why Weight What had to put DragonRiderTao in a stupid ball though^^)
Because I'm not quoting him; this is a unique reading from my Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball. :)
omg i thought you had vanished into some mystical mists lol!
i like your magic dragon rider ball z thingmy
\o/
x
Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball Madien waits for returning prince; the plums are very ripe this year. A slight breeze ruffles the trees. Expectant, hope increases.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.15 20:32:00 -
[546]
Edited by: Aaron on 15/09/2010 20:36:04 Ok, I have news.
Due to events elsewhere in the Eve universe the AAA are comming back to live in Stain and it looks 100% certain.
The effect this will have on uf is good and bad as neutrals to AAA will be targeted and killed, a positive aspect of this is that Dalv, Local-Spike, and AOV will be the AAA primary targets. My corp will be assisting the AAA until Dalv, AOV, and Local-Spike are completly removed from the area. I going to get gangster on their asses and exploit, con, and trick my way onto AAA killmails that result in the destruction of Dalv and his followers.
With regard to the garden were going to need to really change the way we percieve and play the game. There are lots of systems near uf that we can setup secure containers in and rat and loot, My corp will assist you by doing ammo runs for you and help co-ordinate loot collections from cans.
The transition from hi sec to null sec isnt too dificult because you can learn basic survival techniques and build upon them. Theres a good few guys helping us with this so you will be supported.
Well, good luck and I hope to see you soon.
.klat ot erus eb .raeppa yeht sa ton era sgniht .B.N
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.15 21:09:00 -
[547]
You just called AAA "the AAA", two times.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.15 22:23:00 -
[548]
!looc won si sdrawkcab gnikalt ,ni tsuj sihT
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.15 23:55:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 15/09/2010 20:36:04 Ok, I have news.
Due to events elsewhere in the Eve universe the AAA are comming back to live in Stain and it looks 100% certain.
The effect this will have on uf is good and bad as neutrals to AAA will be targeted and killed, a positive aspect of this is that Dalv, Local-Spike, and AOV will be the AAA primary targets. My corp will be assisting the AAA until Dalv, AOV, and Local-Spike are completly removed from the area. I going to get gangster on their asses and exploit, con, and trick my way onto AAA killmails that result in the destruction of Dalv and his followers.
With regard to the garden were going to need to really change the way we percieve and play the game. There are lots of systems near uf that we can setup secure containers in and rat and loot, My corp will assist you by doing ammo runs for you and help co-ordinate loot collections from cans.
The transition from hi sec to null sec isnt too dificult because you can learn basic survival techniques and build upon them. Theres a good few guys helping us with this so you will be supported.
Well, good luck and I hope to see you soon.
.klat ot erus eb .raeppa yeht sa ton era sgniht .B.N
Can I have whatever you're on... I seriously want to be THIS delusional about things.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.16 00:54:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Sirref Naes
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 15/09/2010 20:36:04 Ok, I have news.
Due to events elsewhere in the Eve universe the AAA are comming back to live in Stain and it looks 100% certain.
The effect this will have on uf is good and bad as neutrals to AAA will be targeted and killed, a positive aspect of this is that Dalv, Local-Spike, and AOV will be the AAA primary targets. My corp will be assisting the AAA until Dalv, AOV, and Local-Spike are completly removed from the area. I going to get gangster on their asses and exploit, con, and trick my way onto AAA killmails that result in the destruction of Dalv and his followers.
With regard to the garden were going to need to really change the way we percieve and play the game. There are lots of systems near uf that we can setup secure containers in and rat and loot, My corp will assist you by doing ammo runs for you and help co-ordinate loot collections from cans.
The transition from hi sec to null sec isnt too dificult because you can learn basic survival techniques and build upon them. Theres a good few guys helping us with this so you will be supported.
Well, good luck and I hope to see you soon.
.klat ot erus eb .raeppa yeht sa ton era sgniht .B.N
Can I have whatever you're on... I seriously want to be THIS delusional about things.
How is this delusional? AoV/L-Spike/Dalv typically fly much more caps and expensive ships than E-A. AAA would probably much prefer to kill those, rather than a few battlecruisers.
As for killmail whoring.... Why not
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.16 01:30:00 -
[551]
Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Sirref Naes
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 15/09/2010 20:36:04 Ok, I have news.
Due to events elsewhere in the Eve universe the AAA are comming back to live in Stain and it looks 100% certain.
The effect this will have on uf is good and bad as neutrals to AAA will be targeted and killed, a positive aspect of this is that Dalv, Local-Spike, and AOV will be the AAA primary targets. My corp will be assisting the AAA until Dalv, AOV, and Local-Spike are completly removed from the area. I going to get gangster on their asses and exploit, con, and trick my way onto AAA killmails that result in the destruction of Dalv and his followers.
With regard to the garden were going to need to really change the way we percieve and play the game. There are lots of systems near uf that we can setup secure containers in and rat and loot, My corp will assist you by doing ammo runs for you and help co-ordinate loot collections from cans.
The transition from hi sec to null sec isnt too dificult because you can learn basic survival techniques and build upon them. Theres a good few guys helping us with this so you will be supported.
Well, good luck and I hope to see you soon.
.klat ot erus eb .raeppa yeht sa ton era sgniht .B.N
Can I have whatever you're on... I seriously want to be THIS delusional about things.
How is this delusional? AoV/L-Spike/Dalv typically fly much more caps and expensive ships than E-A. AAA would probably much prefer to kill those, rather than a few battlecruisers.
As for killmail whoring.... Why not
I think Aaron's carrier would be a nice target....
Seriously though, by saying that Aaron basically said he supports -A- and will help them kill "us"...yes...the handful of pilots doing as they wish in deep 0.0. I'm sure they have much more to worry about than <30 pilots hanging out in the ass-end of space. I forgot to mention that you are in fact reading something that is called a signature. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 03:03:00 -
[552]
Edited by: Aaron on 16/09/2010 03:05:10 Indeed Agent, doing as you wish was about you and your people stopping me bringing hisec folk here so dont try to act like u guys are the innocent victims, it wont work. I even went to the extent of completly ignoring all of you for 4 months and saying nothing in local but you still persisted as ferociously as ever.
You can be sure Im in uf to see your ships explode. Your ignorant aggression has brought you here and now you will be eradicated by the AAA.
anyway, How u doing agent buddy o/
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.16 12:08:00 -
[553]
Well I am in UF and have seen AAA setting up in the area, AAA has already engaged Dalv and his allies.
Instead of a silly simplistic sentence which forum warriors use like below, explain in detail you're point, fact AAA have set up in LGK as their main base, fact they have moved in on systems near there which have factories such as UF, point out the delusion otherwise you're just another person making noise with no content and no knowledge, in other words you're delusional.
Originally by: Sirref Naes
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 15/09/2010 20:36:04 Aaron's post...
Can I have whatever you're on... I seriously want to be THIS delusional about things.
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.16 14:54:00 -
[554]
Silly Aaron, living in Stain is easy.
We will not be moved.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.16 16:26:00 -
[555]
Living in Stain is easy, I was still able to make billions while being harrassed by the anti-Aaron coalition. Glad to hear that you will not be moved, good luck with such large numbers of AAA in your area, though as you're mainly a US corp that sould be ok for the majority of your players.
Originally by: Triethylene Silly Aaron, living in Stain is easy.
We will not be moved.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 17:32:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Triethylene Silly Aaron, living in Stain is easy.
We will not be moved.
I'm in agreement with Drac, It is quite sad that the get Aaron coalition held onto this dispute for over a year. And yeah yeah I know I know, you were not around there to harrass me like you all seem to say. At least I am a cool person and people like me alot :)
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.16 17:42:00 -
[557]
@Liquidsteel- You're a funny guy. My brain hurt as well.
@Aaron- Why am i referenced in almost every other post of yours? I haven't been on this forum thread for weeks. Local-Spike hasn't initiated any combat operations against you or yours. Do you need a "boogeyman" to set yourself up against?
Does this situation really warrant all this drama? One corp/alliance doesn't like the other, for whatever reason, and set each other red. Red status has been given for more and far less. So why are we harping on the reasons? Local-Spike and E-A are red to each other, everything else from a corp member's perspective is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it's a NBSI v NRDS issue or bad history or even if it's ego driven, it's a moot point. So just get a PvP ship and enjoy some fights.
Yes -A- is relocating deeper into Stain, of course they are, Stain is easy to live in , historically that's where many alliances go to rest, rearm and reorganize. Local-Spike and it's allies have been getting into some good fights and hope to continue to. We acknowledge that now E-A will be allied with -A-, hope to you see on the battlefield.
Good luck & good hunting all
P.S.- I'm ok with a 10v10 fight. Let me know when works for you. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.16 19:13:00 -
[558]
Originally by: Dracvlad Edited by: Dracvlad on 16/09/2010 17:25:39 Edited by: Dracvlad on 16/09/2010 17:25:23 I don't know why your calling Aaron names again, anyway living in Stain is easy, I was still able to make billions while being harrassed by the anti-Aaron coalition.
Glad to hear that you will not be moved, though some of your people seemed to have moved to o5y, I will wish you good luck with such large numbers of AAA in your area, though as you're mainly a US corp that sould be ok for the majority of your players. I do not call you silly or your corp, really don't understand your need to be insulting, bit sad really.
Originally by: Triethylene Silly Aaron, living in Stain is easy.
We will not be moved.
Ok, I guess your not around long enough to get that. Aarons thing for the longest was calling people silly, over and over and over again, almost every time he posted. Re-read the old thread and you will see what Im talking about.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.16 19:17:00 -
[559]
Aaron was replying to Bjorn, and if you do not want this drama, stop your people from embarrasing themselves on this thread, also no ops, well you don't know what your corp is doing do you, two days ago when I was ratting one of your new recruits was in his curse in the IV belts in UF when I was ratting, I suppose he was delivering flowers...
I have no interest in being part of a 10 v 10 with your corp.
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus @Liquidsteel- You're a funny guy. My brain hurt as well.
@Aaron- Why am i referenced in almost every other post of yours? I haven't been on this forum thread for weeks. Local-Spike hasn't initiated any combat operations against you or yours. Do you need a "boogeyman" to set yourself up against?
Does this situation really warrant all this drama? One corp/alliance doesn't like the other, for whatever reason, and set each other red. Red status has been given for more and far less. So why are we harping on the reasons? Local-Spike and E-A are red to each other, everything else from a corp member's perspective is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it's a NBSI v NRDS issue or bad history or even if it's ego driven, it's a moot point. So just get a PvP ship and enjoy some fights.
Yes -A- is relocating deeper into Stain, of course they are, Stain is easy to live in , historically that's where many alliances go to rest, rearm and reorganize. Local-Spike and it's allies have been getting into some good fights and hope to continue to. We acknowledge that now E-A will be allied with -A-, hope to you see on the battlefield.
Good luck & good hunting all
P.S.- I'm ok with a 10v10 fight. Let me know when works for you.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 19:19:00 -
[560]
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus @Liquidsteel- You're a funny guy. My brain hurt as well.
@Aaron- Why am i referenced in almost every other post of yours? I haven't been on this forum thread for weeks. Local-Spike hasn't initiated any combat operations against you or yours. Do you need a "boogeyman" to set yourself up against?
Does this situation really warrant all this drama? One corp/alliance doesn't like the other, for whatever reason, and set each other red. Red status has been given for more and far less. So why are we harping on the reasons? Local-Spike and E-A are red to each other, everything else from a corp member's perspective is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it's a NBSI v NRDS issue or bad history or even if it's ego driven, it's a moot point. So just get a PvP ship and enjoy some fights.
Yes -A- is relocating deeper into Stain, of course they are, Stain is easy to live in , historically that's where many alliances go to rest, rearm and reorganize. Local-Spike and it's allies have been getting into some good fights and hope to continue to. We acknowledge that now E-A will be allied with -A-, hope to you see on the battlefield.
Good luck & good hunting all
P.S.- I'm ok with a 10v10 fight. Let me know when works for you.
Whatever Gab, The venture involved me helping guys to get to 0.0 and you and your coallition did everything to stop that happening.
It is in fact you that is obbsessed with me and my associates, On both threads you and your people have done all they could to stop people making contact with me, when they come here your guys hang around them all day (no joke) and you were heavilly involved in spreading propaganda about me.
People are not stupid they can see what you've done, and now your here saying you dont know what all the fuss is about.
Theres absolutly nothing wrong with me, your problem is that you cant get over the past and move on and I know it burned you when I turned out to be 100% correct about Pathogen's silly ways. You got too much pride to admit I was right and you were wrong, that is the only reason why you've continued this dispute.
I advise you to get used to the fact the dispute is over, I'm no longer interested in talking to you and most of the people in your coallition. Ive got no doubt i'll be seeing you very soon, people like you are envious of people like me and I can see you continuing this dispute forever so i'm gonna man up and end it.
Your next post will be "We can do this better than Aaron" weve got more numbers, Im not in any rat race with you Gab and I really couldnt care less if you had 1000 members,
Have a good life Gab.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.16 19:21:00 -
[561]
Is he calling you silly now? So you are calling him silly because he said that in the old thread, around a year ago, doh! OK, well, hmmmm...
Originally by: Triethylene
Originally by: Dracvlad Edited by: Dracvlad on 16/09/2010 17:25:39 Edited by: Dracvlad on 16/09/2010 17:25:23 I don't know why your calling Aaron names again, anyway living in Stain is easy, I was still able to make billions while being harrassed by the anti-Aaron coalition.
Glad to hear that you will not be moved, though some of your people seemed to have moved to o5y, I will wish you good luck with such large numbers of AAA in your area, though as you're mainly a US corp that sould be ok for the majority of your players. I do not call you silly or your corp, really don't understand your need to be insulting, bit sad really.
Originally by: Triethylene Silly Aaron, living in Stain is easy.
We will not be moved.
Ok, I guess your not around long enough to get that. Aarons thing for the longest was calling people silly, over and over and over again, almost every time he posted. Re-read the old thread and you will see what Im talking about.
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Plocsk
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Posted - 2010.09.16 19:21:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Dracvlad also no ops, well you don't know what your corp is doing do you, two days ago when I was ratting one of your new recruits was in his curse in the IV belts in UF when I was ratting, I suppose he was delivering flowers...
InB4: "That's not an op, if we were doing serious pvp ops against you you'd be a smoking crater right now."
You kinda walked into that one.
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.16 19:29:00 -
[563]
Um yea... he just called one of ours silly again.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.16 20:01:00 -
[564]
No, not a smoking crater . But good point, apparently one new pilot in a Curse equals a Combat Op.
I would disagree. E-A, a red alliance to us, is actively recruiting people to come and establish themselves close to our area. To shoot at our Combat Ops ::high five's the one new Curse pilot::. Would any pilot/corp/alliance abide that? Even with this though, Local-Spike has not initiate Ops against E-A in weeks.
I will though correct you when you, exaggerate what the situation is in this area of space and bring my name into your recruitment drives.
Even though neither you or your pilots wish to have a 10v10 (as you yourself suggested in the first place), I hope to see you on the battlefield. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 20:38:00 -
[565]
LOL GAB, i'll humour you with a couple more replies.
Again Gab, the people reading this thread and seen all of your childish, bitter, vendetta filled posts and the posts by your followers over both large threads and other smaller threads. Everyone can see exactly what you're about because you yourself wrote it.
For you to now try and make us believe you have no idea why things are the way they are is downright insulting.
Oh and we would absolutly love to have a 10 vs 10...........Just not with you.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 21:14:00 -
[566]
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus
Even though neither you or your pilots wish to have a 10v10 (as you yourself suggested in the first place), I hope to see you on the battlefield.
OMG Aaron changed his mind in wanting pvp with Gab, Big deal.
Feel free to try and fight us, we will just cloak up until you're gone, I have no doubt you and your crew will be happy to camp us 23/7 for the rest of your lives.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.16 22:21:00 -
[567]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 16/09/2010 22:22:56 Well you don't have to be a ***** about it. Edit: You forfeiting the challenge means we win right Harr harr harr
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 22:24:00 -
[568]
anyways can i start organising this bake sale yet lol
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EVE Garden |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.09.16 22:35:00 -
[569]
After watching this thread grow, Im surprised it is yet to be shipped off to caod.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.16 22:57:00 -
[570]
Originally by: Jita Alt666 After watching this thread grow, Im surprised it is yet to be shipped off to caod.
That would be amusing since no one in it can post there
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 23:07:00 -
[571]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 16/09/2010 22:22:56 Well you don't have to be a ***** about it. Edit: You forfeiting the challenge means we win right Harr harr harr
Well done mate, /me gives Bjorn a trophy
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.16 23:22:00 -
[572]
pineapple upside down cakes all around \o/
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EVE Garden |
Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.17 00:16:00 -
[573]
Mmmmm, pineapple upside down cake. Put me down for one. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.17 00:42:00 -
[574]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Originally by: Jita Alt666 After watching this thread grow, Im surprised it is yet to be shipped off to caod.
That would be amusing since no one in it can post there
At times, that's exactly what the invitation to 0.0 threads need
This one isn't doing too badly, though.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.17 01:17:00 -
[575]
I suspect there is more PVP in this thread than there is in The Garden.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 01:19:00 -
[576]
i would quite like a group hug tbh
i think one where we cheer pointlessly and slap each other on the back twice would be quite a good comprimise lol
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 01:24:00 -
[577]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
i would quite like a group hug tbh
I would like Gabriel to move on tbh
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.17 02:09:00 -
[578]
I wish aaron could stay true to his word.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.17 03:15:00 -
[579]
Originally by: Sirref Naes I wish aaron could stay true to his word.
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Tornado Bait
Minmatar Dissident Resident
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Posted - 2010.09.17 04:08:00 -
[580]
Local-spike did and will do far more to make a home for new/old players in 0.0 then Aaron and friends ever will.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.17 06:35:00 -
[581]
I guess you're use of a Dreadnaught to kill Aaron's carrier was not an op then, but you were on an op then were you not. Various members of your corp have been operating with Dalv and AOV, if you are going to split hairs about the difference between "on operation" or "doing an operation" I do not care, I do care that you are trying to paint your corp as not being involved in the campaign against Aaron and those that came down which is not the case.
If the strategy was to stop EA members from ratting was he on an op, or was that a campaign, or does your definition works only with more than one pilot. I am just about to go off on an op on my own for the corp, but I guess that is not an op.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 08:40:00 -
[582]
Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 08:42:04
Originally by: Tornado Bait Local-spike did and will do far more to make a home for new/old players in 0.0 then Aaron and friends ever will.
Good post Tornado I was actually waiting for one of you to say that and I have a response already prepared.
Of course your going to be able to do this better than me if you're activley doing operations that involve camping anyone remotley allied with me 23/7 for the past year and a half.
Of course you will do this better than me If you've made it your business to sabotage my threads with lies and propaganda.
Alas, this is part of character assasination huh.
Are we ready to move on yet Gab?, I'm seriously not interested.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.17 09:53:00 -
[583]
"Well done mate, /me gives Bjorn a trophy" Do i get that trophy soon or are you going to break that promise too :) RAWR
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 10:00:00 -
[584]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 17/09/2010 09:57:29 "Well done mate, /me gives Bjorn a trophy" Do i get that trophy soon or are you going to break that promise too :) RAWR
Edit: Gabriel's point was that we have not done a corporation/group operation in UF for weeks, at least not that i have been online for. Afaik not since the carrier incident.
Cool, let me know when you're ready to move on buddy.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.17 11:39:00 -
[585]
Move on? Are you serious? Local-Spike LIVES in this area. We are NOT moving on.
You have two choices to resolve your miserable diplomatic situation. You either HTFU and force a military resolution or STFU and accept E-A's strategic place in the military hierarchy of Stain (which at BEST is negligible).
Although it doesn't seem you're looking for a realistic, amicable resolution. You've decided to pursue the idea of creating this thread, painting a picture to entice high sec pilots to come down to Stain. To hopefully garner enough support to upset the already established status quo, but that hasn't worked.
Who knows though, with the recent changes with the major alliances relocating to Stain, the status quo will undoubtedly be changed. Do you think E-A will be a contender to jockey for a better strategic position? I don't believe so but hey, I could be wrong. I hope to see you & your crew on the battlefield fighting for yours. So HTFU or STFU.
Good luck & good hunting.
------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 11:48:00 -
[586]
Due to events over the past year we've had to regroup and change our strategy which will hopefully result in more people living in npc 0.0.
I myself have learned alot from experiences and im prepared to make a change for the better which will help me to better advise on this long running mission.
At this stage I'd like to confirm that I am no longer in uf 23/7 and have been busy building multiple locations around Stain that are very quite. Currently we are busy building our haulage network and I am very impressed with the progress and it seems we can literally deploy anywhere in stain in an instant.
I've had a look at my attitude and decided that I'm simply not going to bother trying to reason with any hostiles or respond to nonsense on forums or local chat. It would be great if the community could come and judge me for themselves. Please try to accept that I was silly in some of my past actions and I had walked right into a cleverly set-up plan that has resulted in my good reputation being damaged. I feel I've let down alot of hi-sec guys that would like to be involved in this venture and for this I am sorry.
I'm ready to do this.
Come into the "e-a public" channel and have a chat with us, you wont be dissapointed.
N.B. Gab, when I say "move on" I dont mean clear out of the area, I mean stop going out of your way to respond here and dont talk to us in local as we are not interested in having any kind of relationship with you whatsoever.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 12:18:00 -
[587]
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 11:59:51 Due to events over the past year we've had to regroup and change our strategy which will hopefully result in more people living in npc 0.0.
I myself have learned alot from experiences and im prepared to make a change for the better which will help me to better advise on this long running mission.
At this stage I'd like to confirm that I am no longer in uf 23/7 and have been busy building multiple locations around Stain that are very quiet. Currently we are busy building our haulage network and I am very impressed with the progress and it seems we can literally deploy anywhere in stain in an instant.
I've had a look at my attitude and decided that I'm simply not going to bother trying to reason with any hostiles or respond to nonsense on forums or local chat. It would be great if the community could come and judge me for themselves. Please try to accept that I was silly in some of my past actions and I had walked right into a cleverly set-up plan that has resulted in my good reputation being damaged. I feel I've let down alot of hi-sec guys that would like to be involved in this venture and for this I am sorry.
I'm ready to do this.
Come into the "e-a public" channel and have a chat with us, you wont be dissapointed.
N.B. Gab, when I say "move on" I dont mean clear out of the area, I mean stop going out of your way to respond here and dont talk to us in local as we are not interested in having any kind of relationship with you whatsoever.
was good, all the way up to the N.B. wherein you may as well of said: "Please respond Local-spike pretty please."
I find it curious you have kept this going for so long Aaron, you have repeatedly created drama and tension where none exist, and basically proven that even in the event that you get 100 pilots following your every whim, it would take only 1 to unravel it all.
You seem to have no leadership experience, and constantly make elementary mistakes in that regard. You instill no confidence by your posts, you constantly change your mind and contradict yourself, making empty threats and pandering to the opposition just to keep this thread above water. I can only speak for myself but if you cannot keep this thread in order, I cannot see how you can keep any control over pilots in 0.0.
I would say that this idea is now irrevocably tainted, and cannot succeed, but I hope you can prove me wrong.
Don't misunderstand me, I want to see this idea of yours work as much as the next person, I would like nothing more than to hail you as the unique visionary you claim to be, but so far it has been like watching a train crash in slow motion. |
Surianor
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Posted - 2010.09.17 12:21:00 -
[588]
/clap
this is what u should have done long time ago aaron , in the intrest of ur venture. gl, we sure will visit u once ina while o/
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 13:11:00 -
[589]
Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 13:11:45
Originally by: Buck Marui
I cannot see how you can keep any control over pilots in 0.0.
Hey buddy o/
My goal was never to control people, but for them to control themselves. I think its alot to do with respect and being mature about the goals of this venture.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 13:40:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 13:11:45
Originally by: Buck Marui
I cannot see how you can keep any control over pilots in 0.0.
Hey buddy o/
My goal was never to control people, but for them to control themselves. I think its alot to do with respect and being mature about the goals of this venture.
Your goal should be to control people without there knowledge, making them feel like they are in control, organization comes from control, without organization people will start believing they can do better, or more fun can be had working against you, hence Local-spike was born.
"Without control what is a leader of men? He is infact just a man, and not a leader at all."
You have to understand that the end-game, or the goal of this venture as you put it, is truly visible only to yourself, and the people with you will only follow you until you fail or something better comes along.
If your intention truly is to not control these people and thus not lead them, then you have already failed. It is tantamount to a weight on a line of string, with a constant force working against the string, it is innevitable that it will break, maybe not today or even next week, but it will break and the weight will fall. |
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Erick Odin
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.17 13:46:00 -
[591]
This is my problem with Aaron and it's why I post here. Simply put, he is a liar. He hides behind phrases like "observe certain protocols" and he even has a standings list at his website that he expects everybody to observe. Basically he want to be the police. And I don't think I'm alone here guys, this is 0.0:
**** Tha Police
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 13:52:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Buck Marui
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 13:11:45
Originally by: Buck Marui
I cannot see how you can keep any control over pilots in 0.0.
Hey buddy o/
My goal was never to control people, but for them to control themselves. I think its alot to do with respect and being mature about the goals of this venture.
Your goal should be to control people without there knowledge, making them feel like they are in control, organization comes from control, without organization people will start believing they can do better, or more fun can be had working against you, hence Local-spike was born.
"Without control what is a leader of men? He is infact just a man, and not a leader at all."
You have to understand that the end-game, or the goal of this venture as you put it, is truly visible only to yourself, and the people with you will only follow you until you fail or something better comes along.
If your intention truly is to not control these people and thus not lead them, then you have already failed. It is tantamount to a weight on a line of string, with a constant force working against the string, it is innevitable that it will break, maybe not today or even next week, but it will break and the weight will fall.
You make very interesting points.
I'd like to see it more as a partnership and I feel you are somewhat over complicating it.
I have it in my mind as this;
- Groups of people come together as a community regardless of corp/alliance - We set up a counsel - We set eachother blue and share intel - we build up the market and grow - We use good fleet commanders to defend and members of the community can join in if they want. - We have an open blue policy - communicate out of game via a forum.
I feel this is the most straight forward way to populate npc 0.0.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 14:04:00 -
[593]
Originally by: Erick Odin This is my problem with Aaron and it's why I post here. Simply put, he is a liar. He hides behind phrases like "observe certain protocols" and he even has a standings list at his website that he expects everybody to observe. Basically he want to be the police. And I don't think I'm alone here guys, this is 0.0:
**** Tha Police
I'm responding only to the community at this time.
I look at the standings list as a guide. The people I have set red operate an nbsi policy which means any hisec guy that comes into their targets will be shot at and most likley destroyed.
If you choose to follow my redlist then you will be better prepared to live out here and avoid ship loss.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 14:06:00 -
[594]
Originally by: Aaron
You make very interesting points.
I'd like to see it more as a partnership and I feel you are somewhat over complicating it.
I have it in my mind as this;
- Groups of people come together as a community regardless of corp/alliance - We set up a counsel - We set eachother blue and share intel - we build up the market and grow - We use good fleet commanders to defend and members of the community can join in if they want. - We have an open blue policy - communicate out of game via a forum.
I feel this is the most straight forward way to populate npc 0.0.
Yet you have no Council, you have no Logistics and you have no "good fleet commanders"
Why do you not have these things? Because they require control and organization, where you see me as overcomplicating things, I see you as over simplifying things, unfortunately as its stands we only see your way not working.
Communities require a leader and careful, constant organization to be a community.
You expect these things to come to you, because you put up a message on the forums, but you offer no incentive for loyalty or rewards.
I can cite you hundreds of examples of how my ways work in the everday things we all see, can you do the same? Are you truly expecting to defy all odds by self righteousness alone?
You are not some kind of Messiah or Prophet, people will not follow you blindly because they believe in what you are doing, people will follow you only if you lead them, and you cannot lead by inaction and guidance, only by swift action and control.
Furthermore, there is no straight forward way to populate 0.0 space, that you feel there is, is rather concerning. |
Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:01:00 -
[595]
OK lets put it this way, I am helping Aaron and there are others to, and we are working as a team, so while your knowledge of Aaron and his past attempts is what you are getting at, this is where it is different.
We have defined our strategy and we are now implementing, I don't care about the past, only here and now and the future. What I like about Aaron is that he was able to admit his mistakes, and face up to them, he is helpful and honest and will listen, something I respect in a leader, because so many so called leaders do not have those core values.
You really do sound like a Local Spike alt...
Originally by: Buck Marui
Originally by: Aaron
You make very interesting points.
I'd like to see it more as a partnership and I feel you are somewhat over complicating it.
I have it in my mind as this;
- Groups of people come together as a community regardless of corp/alliance - We set up a counsel - We set eachother blue and share intel - we build up the market and grow - We use good fleet commanders to defend and members of the community can join in if they want. - We have an open blue policy - communicate out of game via a forum.
I feel this is the most straight forward way to populate npc 0.0.
Yet you have no Council, you have no Logistics and you have no "good fleet commanders"
Why do you not have these things? Because they require control and organization, where you see me as overcomplicating things, I see you as over simplifying things, unfortunately as its stands we only see your way not working.
Communities require a leader and careful, constant organization to be a community.
You expect these things to come to you, because you put up a message on the forums, but you offer no incentive for loyalty or rewards.
I can cite you hundreds of examples of how my ways work in the everday things we all see, can you do the same? Are you truly expecting to defy all odds by self righteousness alone?
You are not some kind of Messiah or Prophet, people will not follow you blindly because they believe in what you are doing, people will follow you only if you lead them, and you cannot lead by inaction and guidance, only by swift action and control.
Furthermore, there is no straight forward way to populate 0.0 space, that you feel there is, is rather concerning.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:07:00 -
[596]
Edited by: Buck Marui on 17/09/2010 15:14:38
Originally by: Dracvlad You really do sound like a Local Spike alt...
Well you are of course entitled to your oppinion however biased it is, of course the most logical response to this would be to say you are Aarons alt but I don't have the inclination to explain to you how this is irrelevant, who I am in no way makes what I said any different, or any less relevant.
I am also not "getting at anything" I do not know Aaron beyond his posts here, I do not like nor dislike him, I happen to think his idea is good and hoped simply to help him with it. You have made it clear my help or presence is clearly not wanted however, so I will leave you alone.
Good luck.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:16:00 -
[597]
Quote: Why do you not have these things? Because they require control and organization, where you see me as overcomplicating things, I see you as over simplifying things, unfortunately as its stands we only see your way not working.
I find this stuff hilarious. When Aaron tries to be orderly (Asking L-Spike to be NRDS, bargaining with AoV to get part of 2,000,000 missiles back (or even asking why they were bought,)) He gets called a control freak and an egotistical maniac and set red.
Now that he's learned from those incidents and has stopped being as orderly, people like you who have Self-admittedly never met him in game come and criticize him here.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:51:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Roosterton
I find this stuff hilarious. When Aaron tries to be orderly (Asking L-Spike to be NRDS, bargaining with AoV to get part of 2,000,000 missiles back (or even asking why they were bought,)) He gets called a control freak and an egotistical maniac and set red.
Now that he's learned from those incidents and has stopped being as orderly, people like you who have Self-admittedly never met him in game come and criticize him here.
He learned what exactly? That you can't tell other people to do things? I could have told him that, I am only suggesting he keep his own house in order not other peoples, and quite frankly if Aarons ego is bruised by a little bit of hardship like this then hes in for a big shock when he gets the attention of some of the bigger Alliances. Surely you know that there are peope who are willing to set you red without provocation, regardless of your actions.
Also, I critized his actions not his person, just as I may critisize a film without knowing the actors, or a game without knowing the developers, that I do not know him or anyone from Local-spike simply makes me less biased. |
BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.17 15:54:00 -
[599]
Originally by: Roosterton
Quote: Why do you not have these things? Because they require control and organization, where you see me as overcomplicating things, I see you as over simplifying things, unfortunately as its stands we only see your way not working.
I find this stuff hilarious. When Aaron tries to be orderly (Asking L-Spike to be NRDS, bargaining with AoV to get part of 2,000,000 missiles back (or even asking why they were bought,)) He gets called a control freak and an egotistical maniac and set red.
Now that he's learned from those incidents and has stopped being as orderly, people like you who have Self-admittedly never met him in game come and criticize him here.
Buck marui said: "I am also not "getting at anything" I do not know Aaron beyond his posts here, I do not like nor dislike him, I happen to think his idea is good and hoped simply to help him with it. You have made it clear my help or presence is clearly not wanted however, so I will leave you alone."
I have never heard of Buck Marui before and i dont think he is a Local-Spike forum-alt, but i might be wrong. I also think that his post were right on the money and they were well written, i think your critisism is misplaced roost.
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deathkiller95
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Posted - 2010.09.17 16:02:00 -
[600]
Originally by: Tornado Bait Local-spike did and will do far more to make a home for new/old players in 0.0 then Aaron and friends ever will.
So why indiscriminately kill any new members of Aaron's alliance rather than encouraging them to switch sides? I see a lot of "DONT JOIN AARONS ALLIANCE" in this thread, but I see no "JOIN LOCAL SPIKE INSTEAD". It certainly looks to me as if you're more interested in hindering Aaron than helping your own corp.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.17 16:20:00 -
[601]
I am not an alt newly created, your post was slanted to attack Aaron, and then you act all hurt. Your personal attacks are not wanted. Advice is accepted.
Originally by: Buck Marui Edited by: Buck Marui on 17/09/2010 15:14:38
Originally by: Dracvlad You really do sound like a Local Spike alt...
Well you are of course entitled to your oppinion however biased it is, of course the most logical response to this would be to say you are Aarons alt but I don't have the inclination to explain to you how this is irrelevant, who I am in no way makes what I said any different, or any less relevant.
I am also not "getting at anything" I do not know Aaron beyond his posts here, I do not like nor dislike him, I happen to think his idea is good and hoped simply to help him with it. You have made it clear my help or presence is clearly not wanted however, so I will leave you alone.
Good luck.
Edited for spelling and clarification.
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.17 16:29:00 -
[602]
.lla si tahT ... tsop siht gnikam si tac ym dna hciwdnas a edam I ,ni tsuj sihT
Also, TB is the sexiest PVP player of all time.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.17 16:32:00 -
[603]
Edited by: Buck Marui on 17/09/2010 16:33:34
Originally by: Dracvlad I am not an alt newly created, your post was slanted to attack Aaron, and then you act all hurt. Your personal attacks are not wanted. Advice is accepted.
Nor am I an alt, although I am newly created.
I do not see where I "attacked" anyone but please feel free to enlighten me.
I am also not acting nor feeling "all hurt" it seems that you do not fully understand any of my posts. |
Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.17 16:47:00 -
[604]
Edited by: Agent Unknown on 17/09/2010 16:48:18 It seems to me that Aaron is trying to attract people to Stain and operated like CVA did (only without the RP side).
Think about the concept of NRDS for a second. If a corporation or alliance that has never been seen by you before starts shooting your pilots, they could in no way defend themselves until after the engagement has started. The neutral parties have the advantage of "scoping out" their potential targets without being seen. In 0.0, the concept of feeling "safe" or being able to defend yourself from unknown entities is important. This is why most alliances adopt the NBSI policy. If they haven't come forward and said "hey, I don't want to shoot you" then assume they will do everything they can to destroy your assets.
Aaron's plans to adopt the NRDS idea is not new, but certainly is full of holes. I've long since forgotten the initial conflicts between us, and now I simply shoot because they're not friendly to me.
This whole threadnaught of bashing ideals is not what should come from this. This is not a thread about the drama that occurred because it occurs between alliances on a daily basis. People have been hostile to each other for far more and far less.
Again, I speak for myself and not on behalf of my alliance (which is why I don't post with him).
Edit: I suck at grammar. I forgot to mention that you are in fact reading something that is called a signature. |
Tornado Bait
Minmatar Dissident Resident
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Posted - 2010.09.17 17:14:00 -
[605]
Originally by: Sirref Naes
Also, TB is the sexiest PVP player of all time.
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batloard
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.09.17 17:43:00 -
[606]
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 11:59:51 Due to events over the past year we've had to regroup and change our strategy which will hopefully result in more people living in npc 0.0.
I myself have learned alot from experiences and im prepared to make a change for the better which will help me to better advise on this long running mission.
At this stage I'd like to confirm that I am no longer in uf 23/7 and have been busy building multiple locations around Stain that are very quiet. Currently we are busy building our haulage network and I am very impressed with the progress and it seems we can literally deploy anywhere in stain in an instant.
I've had a look at my attitude and decided that I'm simply not going to bother trying to reason with any hostiles or respond to nonsense on forums or local chat. It would be great if the community could come and judge me for themselves. Please try to accept that I was silly in some of my past actions and I had walked right into a cleverly set-up plan that has resulted in my good reputation being damaged. I feel I've let down alot of hi-sec guys that would like to be involved in this venture and for this I am sorry.
I'm ready to do this.
Come into the "e-a public" channel and have a chat with us, you wont be dissapointed.
N.B. Gab, when I say "move on" I dont mean clear out of the area, I mean stop going out of your way to respond here and dont talk to us in local as we are not interested in having any kind of relationship with you whatsoever.
Moving your merry band of ******s into Brick space is funny. If you thought these hisec people were griefing you, it is about to get a hell of a lot worse.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:28:00 -
[607]
I liked your post except the part where you use highsec-people as an insult. There are awesome PvP'ers in highsec too. Their skill doesnt change, its the game mechanics that do.
Also as far as i can tell Tornado Bait has got it correct:)
And Aaron your sarcasm-detector is broken..
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:37:00 -
[608]
Originally by: batloard
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 17/09/2010 11:59:51 Due to events over the past year we've had to regroup and change our strategy which will hopefully result in more people living in npc 0.0.
I myself have learned alot from experiences and im prepared to make a change for the better which will help me to better advise on this long running mission.
At this stage I'd like to confirm that I am no longer in uf 23/7 and have been busy building multiple locations around Stain that are very quiet. Currently we are busy building our haulage network and I am very impressed with the progress and it seems we can literally deploy anywhere in stain in an instant.
I've had a look at my attitude and decided that I'm simply not going to bother trying to reason with any hostiles or respond to nonsense on forums or local chat. It would be great if the community could come and judge me for themselves. Please try to accept that I was silly in some of my past actions and I had walked right into a cleverly set-up plan that has resulted in my good reputation being damaged. I feel I've let down alot of hi-sec guys that would like to be involved in this venture and for this I am sorry.
I'm ready to do this.
Come into the "e-a public" channel and have a chat with us, you wont be dissapointed.
N.B. Gab, when I say "move on" I dont mean clear out of the area, I mean stop going out of your way to respond here and dont talk to us in local as we are not interested in having any kind of relationship with you whatsoever.
Moving your merry band of ******s into Brick space is funny. If you thought these hisec people were griefing you, it is about to get a hell of a lot worse.
I was planning to contact Brick Squad as part of our relocation and apologise for just turning up here unannounced. Were preparing to move from w-q when the bubbles are gone.
Could I politley ask that we take future convos into a private convo? Thanks.
Regards.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:42:00 -
[609]
Originally by: batloard
Moving your merry band of ******s into Brick space is funny. If you thought these hisec people were griefing you, it is about to get a hell of a lot worse.
Seems like Aaron has made some new friends in his new location. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.17 18:45:00 -
[610]
Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 17/09/2010 18:47:23
Originally by: Agent Unknown Think about the concept of NRDS for a second.
Your points are valid in principle but don't really come into play given the specific situation in Stain.
Basically every (NBSI) alliance that has corporations in Stain (and has no positive diplomatic relations with EA) is set to red by everyone affiliated with the Hub Zero/Garden project.
There are extremely few hostile pilots that happen to pass through the systems we operate in who are not already red. Take Providence for example where you often had roaming gangs of hostiles during prime time and compare to Stain - Providence could be easily entered through Derelik whereas to roam in Stain you have first to come through Delve or Catch (and if you are blue to IT or -A- you are most likely already red to us).
There simply are not many hostile non-reds around despite having a relatively short red list.
The only point at which there exists a practical difference between NRDS and NBSI is the treatment of newcomers to the project (or other "lone wolf"-type pilots) - they don't have to join any corporations/alliances or talk to Aaron about standings before coming here because they know we won't shoot a lone pilot in his Drake.
(also EA does not operate NRDS in a strict sense but "no threat, don't shoot" NTDS)
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.17 19:11:00 -
[611]
after spending 5 hours bubbling these little "munchkins go camping" school children they now seem to have packed up and moved a few doors down to the worst system in the pocket.
You can politely ask for private convos but since moving your little bunch of cloak fitted gimps down here without so much as attempting to have a "private" convo with any of us, I think we would rather just shoot you in the face.
DMNA holds the pocket along with brick, and before that those of us from TSDS and the short bus squad have held it for many years... dont think your just going to waltz in like happy little campers.
Hugs and kisses
Merkin Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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YanniMorePlz
Caldari Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.09.17 19:15:00 -
[612]
NRDS? I'm sure we will be happy to oblige with that.
NRDS is like putting yourself on radar and getting shot by missiles... yea have fun with that, getting pushed around and shoved into l-a already is a good step forward.
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batloard
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.09.17 19:22:00 -
[613]
Originally by: Captain Merkin after spending 5 hours bubbling these little "munchkins go camping" school children they now seem to have packed up and moved a few doors down to the worst system in the pocket.
You can politely ask for private convos but since moving your little bunch of cloak fitted gimps down here without so much as attempting to have a "private" convo with any of us, I think we would rather just shoot you in the face.
DMNA holds the pocket along with brick, and before that those of us from TSDS and the short bus squad have held it for many years... dont think your just going to waltz in like happy little campers.
Hugs and kisses
Merkin
Diplomatic Conversation lol. Here is my diplomacy: My foot + You know You know = Dead Gypsy Squatters (IG)
Don't worry L-A is much safer to hide in then w-q.
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.17 19:40:00 -
[614]
Oh my days... SCATMAN will hear about this!
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Steph26
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Posted - 2010.09.17 19:49:00 -
[615]
Cant belive I read the whole 21 page of this topic, but I think that I am the kind of pilot your looking for Aaron. Convo me ingame id like to talk to you.
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Daigh Mcardle
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Posted - 2010.09.17 20:42:00 -
[616]
hows the station look? yawn.
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YanniMorePlz
Caldari Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:53:00 -
[617]
It's amazing that you would try and start up an NRDS coalition in a section of space owned by a much larger organization that clearly would love nothing better to do than to kill all of you.
Have fun trying to protect the carbears b.b.k. cuz normally the people you get who want NRDS space don't fight to hold onto it.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:54:00 -
[618]
Originally by: Captain Merkin Actual 0.0 PVP
Well, its good to see actual 0.0 dwellers finally visit this thread and post some sense. How's life with AAA breathing down your neck Local Spike? Is it more like real NPC space now?
[/CAOD mod off]
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.17 21:59:00 -
[619]
Originally by: Aaron
I was planning to contact Brick Squad as part of our relocation and apologise for just turning up here unannounced. Were preparing to move from w-q when the bubbles are gone.
Could I politley ask that we take future convos into a private convo? Thanks.
Regards.
Hey how come they get private convos and we get our **** discussed on the forums for a year.
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.17 22:13:00 -
[620]
Edited by: Roosterton on 17/09/2010 22:14:19
Originally by: Triethylene
Originally by: Aaron
I was planning to contact Brick Squad as part of our relocation and apologise for just turning up here unannounced. Were preparing to move from w-q when the bubbles are gone.
Could I politley ask that we take future convos into a private convo? Thanks.
Regards.
Hey how come they get private convos and we get our **** discussed on the forums for a year.
Because you've been posting your **** on the forums for a year (And we all know how Aaron loves to respond. )
But anyway, the point of my previous post was quite simply, let him build his Garden however he sees fit. His current method of governance hasn't caused any issues since this thread was started, so something must be working.
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.17 22:54:00 -
[621]
Rooster, when I post, I'm interested in reading responses from everyone but you.
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liquidsteal
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:06:00 -
[622]
AARON ive been following these threads this one and the previous one . One thing I really think could help you accomplish your goals [please pardon the screaming] STOP RESPONDING TO NEGATIVE REPLIES. PERIOD I for one would like to see this little endeavor succeed, but if you cant even do what you have said you would do in several posts how can I believe what you say. just ignore those you know are against you,that goes for anyone else in this thread that would like to try out 00 space. just ignore the evil negative people they will get bored and leave, if theres one thing I have learned in my over half century of living is that idiots and morons cant stand to be ignored. JUST DO IT. God bless you all [even the evil people.] <-----you know who you are
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Weight What
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:36:00 -
[623]
/me puts down Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball for a second
Aaron, now is the time to stop. Your megalomania and delusions of grandeur have got you nowhere, except being backed into a crappy little pocket of a pretty poor part of space.
Your ideas at becoming the ringmaster of a little huddling of carebears imported from highsec were initially cute, but really, no one likes to be told what to do. They especially don't like making the bastard 30 jump trip (or whatever it was, I can't remember), only to find that the only crap on the market was ****ty T1 stuff at vastly inflated prices that you yourself had put up there.
So now what do you have? You basically look like a bit of a **** for bringing your little troop of nooblets and Dracvlad into a section of space where they clearly can't operate except to spin their ships, let alone thrive and prosper.
Everyone's laughing at you now.
It's time to pack it in, call it a day.
PS. I hope if I come down again one day and have a fancy for buying millions of missiles, you won't start to blubber and weep into your manchild-sized portion of Weetabix.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.17 23:58:00 -
[624]
weight what i am disappoint lol
sorry i need to take off the cat ears for this lol...
Aaron has had his share of detractors, but it means little to be honest. I have had a bit of stick over the past couple of years myself, did I stop? No. Why? Because actually a larger number of people have fun with it than the few vocal folk that protest for whatever reason.
I regard Aaron as the leader in this situation, because well, he is the leader by definition. We have plenty of good folk here, and we should not let outside influences detract from our goals. Lots of people are being negative in this thread, and it need not be so.
Aaron is the coordinator for this project, and I hope I'm helping him the best I can. He stands for most of the issues that I've stood for, and that's why I support him and I guess why he wanted to attract my attention in the first place. I'm not concerned too much with politics. I want to be nice, and be nice to though.
It is very easy to spread bad words about somebody, but the kind words don't seem to have the same velocity. This thread has attracted some negative opinions, but as is the case with real-world news, how often do you hear the good stuff? Mainly we hear about terrible things, and that is what the populace is interested in mostly.
Here is a case of near altruism, the Garden project is encouraging chaps and chappettes to make the break and join us in 0.0. And we're the bad guys? It's the situation where people complain about it being rainy sometimes, but never really appreciate the sunny days.
I'm here, Aaron is here, Dracvlad is here. We're all very friendly and approchable people, so I don't think that the 'problem' if there is one lies with us. I would like to believe that we treat others as we wish to be treated.
Come to Stain, it's fun
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Roosterton
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Posted - 2010.09.18 00:01:00 -
[625]
Edited by: Roosterton on 18/09/2010 00:03:46
Originally by: Triethylene Rooster, when I post, I'm interested in reading responses from everyone but you.
I <3 you too
Or maybe the reason you don't like me is because I enjoy responding?
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.18 00:01:00 -
[626]
how do i get in on this love fest lol ♥
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EVE Garden |
Forever Drifting
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:14:00 -
[627]
Sounds like a very promising project to me. I'm currently establishing my entrepreneurial and privateering dominance within the nullsec region known as Curse. I plan on being the most powerful week old char within the region in the days to come (I know a feat many of you envy - lol). However after having a brief chat with Cat o'Ninetails, a trip to the Stain region has been added to my agenda. While I claim Curse as my current base of operation, logistics and simple common sense deem that allies within surrounding regions are always beneficial. I hope that you and your mates look forward to the revelries of this Drifter and that it will add quite a tale to my growing collection of memoirs.
Fair winds and safe seas (as the old aquatic navies of humanity used to say),
-Forever Drifting
My story can be read at: http://evedrifter.blogspot.com/ |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.18 01:38:00 -
[628]
just a couple of thoughts...
WTF OMG RAOFLMFAO, this is gonna be EPIC. theres so many possibilities its just unreal. This has suddenly become a very interesting venture with recent events and I gotta admit it feels good.
Theres only so much I can say on this forum out of respect for Brick Squad generally being a very cool alliance for some of their past campaigns.
Hisec guys dont worry too much I'm pretty sure 0.0 population will work out ok.
Theres so much to tell you and the garden forums are gonna be buzzing with lots of interesting posts. I can tell you this is building up to be one of the coolest things to happen in eve. I feel a bit silly getting up at this hour just to type this to you so im gonna head off back to bed. o/
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Weight What
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.18 08:36:00 -
[629]
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails weight what i am disappoint lol
sorry i need to take off the cat ears for this lol...
You are sweet lol
For the sake of harmonious relations with you Cat, I offer you an e-rose
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Pompous, currently trading as "Weight What". |
Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.18 09:24:00 -
[630]
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Originally by: Weight What /me puts down Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball for a second
Aaron, now is the time to stop. Your megalomania and delusions of grandeur have got you nowhere, except being backed into a crappy little pocket of a pretty poor part of space.
Your ideas at becoming the ringmaster of a little huddling of carebears imported from highsec were initially cute, but really, no one likes to be told what to do. They especially don't like making the bastard 30 jump trip (or whatever it was, I can't remember), only to find that the only crap on the market was ****ty T1 stuff at vastly inflated prices that you yourself had put up there.
So now what do you have? You basically look like a bit of a **** for bringing your little troop of nooblets and Dracvlad into a section of space where they clearly can't operate except to spin their ships, let alone thrive and prosper.
Everyone's laughing at you now.
It's time to pack it in, call it a day.
PS. I hope if I come down again one day and have a fancy for buying millions of missiles, you won't start to blubber and weep into your manchild-sized portion of Weetabix.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.18 09:32:00 -
[631]
Agree 100% with Roosterton...
Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 17/09/2010 22:14:19
Originally by: Triethylene
Originally by: Aaron
I was planning to contact Brick Squad as part of our relocation and apologise for just turning up here unannounced. Were preparing to move from w-q when the bubbles are gone.
Could I politley ask that we take future convos into a private convo? Thanks.
Regards.
Hey how come they get private convos and we get our **** discussed on the forums for a year.
Because you've been posting your **** on the forums for a year (And we all know how Aaron loves to respond. )
But anyway, the point of my previous post was quite simply, let him build his Garden however he sees fit. His current method of governance hasn't caused any issues since this thread was started, so something must be working.
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Weight What
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.18 09:58:00 -
[632]
Originally by: Dracvlad zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Originally by: Weight What /me puts down Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball for a second
Aaron, now is the time to stop. Your megalomania and delusions of grandeur have got you nowhere, except being backed into a crappy little pocket of a pretty poor part of space.
Your ideas at becoming the ringmaster of a little huddling of carebears imported from highsec were initially cute, but really, no one likes to be told what to do. They especially don't like making the bastard 30 jump trip (or whatever it was, I can't remember), only to find that the only crap on the market was ****ty T1 stuff at vastly inflated prices that you yourself had put up there.
So now what do you have? You basically look like a bit of a **** for bringing your little troop of nooblets and Dracvlad into a section of space where they clearly can't operate except to spin their ships, let alone thrive and prosper.
Everyone's laughing at you now.
It's time to pack it in, call it a day.
PS. I hope if I come down again one day and have a fancy for buying millions of missiles, you won't start to blubber and weep into your manchild-sized portion of Weetabix.
Be quiet, whipping boy -----------------------------------------------
Pompous, currently trading as "Weight What". |
Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.18 10:33:00 -
[633]
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: Dracvlad zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Originally by: Weight What /me puts down Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball for a second
Aaron, now is the time to stop. Your megalomania and delusions of grandeur have got you nowhere, except being backed into a crappy little pocket of a pretty poor part of space.
Your ideas at becoming the ringmaster of a little huddling of carebears imported from highsec were initially cute, but really, no one likes to be told what to do. They especially don't like making the bastard 30 jump trip (or whatever it was, I can't remember), only to find that the only crap on the market was ****ty T1 stuff at vastly inflated prices that you yourself had put up there.
So now what do you have? You basically look like a bit of a **** for bringing your little troop of nooblets and Dracvlad into a section of space where they clearly can't operate except to spin their ships, let alone thrive and prosper.
Everyone's laughing at you now.
It's time to pack it in, call it a day.
PS. I hope if I come down again one day and have a fancy for buying millions of missiles, you won't start to blubber and weep into your manchild-sized portion of Weetabix.
Be quiet, whipping boy
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.18 13:55:00 -
[634]
Is your keyboard brokennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Cata Slate
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Posted - 2010.09.18 22:21:00 -
[635]
Hi guys,
I'm one of the bad guys I guess, anyway I like living in uf- and I will really regret to see Aaron leaving. So Aaron stay and please bring some more of your friends/discipols here.
hoping that all of you have as much fun as I do in this game I wish you all a nice day.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.18 22:45:00 -
[636]
Quote: Here is a case of near altruism, the Garden project is encouraging chaps and chappettes to make the break and join us in 0.0. And we're the bad guys? It's the situation where people complain about it being rainy sometimes, but never really appreciate the sunny days.
I used wormholes to get in and out of Stain enough times to know the politics there.
Again, there is much pleasure in making their bots dock up. Stain, like much of NPC space, is botter heaven. These are the RMT operations. You go to Stain, you make bots dock up. That's someone else income. So they are not playing a game any more.
Still they are easy to disrupt.
Aaron, basing out of multiple locations is a good idea. NEVER centralize your supply lines and storage, but try to make it look like you are centralized in some places or give the appearance of key operating points. If they want to blob and camp you, you can have them doing it in the wrong spot.
I would also suggest some macro-ratter hunting. Puts a stick in their eye.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.09.19 04:15:00 -
[637]
Originally by: EVE-O Forums Damn carebears ............ doing lvl 4s...... leave high sec noobs........... grow a pair noobs
Next day its...
Originally by: EVE-O Forums lololololololol aaron is a big bag of ****s..... tryin to get carebears to 0.0 wtf is he thinking?............ lolololrofffle leaving lvl 4s behind?..... we will go out of our way to camp them for all eternity :rawr: etc etc
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Sirref Naes
Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange
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Posted - 2010.09.19 04:45:00 -
[638]
Originally by: Lady Skank
Originally by: EVE-O Forums Damn carebears ............ doing lvl 4s...... leave high sec noobs........... grow a pair noobs
Next day its...
Originally by: EVE-O Forums lololololololol aaron is a big bag of ****s..... tryin to get carebears to 0.0 wtf is he thinking?............ lolololrofffle leaving lvl 4s behind?..... we will go out of our way to camp them for all eternity :rawr: etc etc
LOL at anyone that thinks anything in EVE stays consistent! Hell, Even the game itself changes every 6 months through expansions.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.19 10:01:00 -
[639]
LMFAO..., +10
Originally by: Lady Skank
Originally by: EVE-O Forums Damn carebears ............ doing lvl 4s...... leave high sec noobs........... grow a pair noobs
Next day its...
Originally by: EVE-O Forums lololololololol aaron is a big bag of ****s..... tryin to get carebears to 0.0 wtf is he thinking?............ lolololrofffle leaving lvl 4s behind?..... we will go out of our way to camp them for all eternity :rawr: etc etc
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.19 10:14:00 -
[640]
Cata Slate, you are not a bad guy, personally I rather like you, you gave me two priceless moments of real fun, I even like your CEO, certainly respect his PvP ability which had me on my toes a lot of times, had some fun battles together, but that is over, I won't say we won't meet up again at some point as I am sure our paths will cross, but wishing you all the best, except when you meet some of us of course .
By the way I am still keeping tabs on your battles to remind me what we were facing, that was a bad one in 9U6 and 0GN with Stain Empire by the way, but you seem to be keeping the AAA corp under control.
Originally by: Cata Slate Hi guys,
I'm one of the bad guys I guess, anyway I like living in uf- and I will really regret to see Aaron leaving. So Aaron stay and please bring some more of your friends/discipols here.
hoping that all of you have as much fun as I do in this game I wish you all a nice day.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.19 14:47:00 -
[641]
Originally by: Lady Skank
Originally by: EVE-O Forums Damn carebears ............ doing lvl 4s...... leave high sec noobs........... grow a pair noobs
Next day its...
Originally by: EVE-O Forums lololololololol aaron is a big bag of ****s..... tryin to get carebears to 0.0 wtf is he thinking?............ lolololrofffle leaving lvl 4s behind?..... we will go out of our way to camp them for all eternity :rawr: etc etc
Yes, this is whats happened.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.19 17:17:00 -
[642]
Edited by: Aaron on 19/09/2010 17:17:28
Originally by: Cat o ninetails Here is a case of near altruism, the Garden project is encouraging chaps and chappettes to make the break and join us in 0.0. And we're the bad guys? It's the situation where people complain about it being rainy sometimes, but never really appreciate the sunny days.
It is a shame that I was the target of a long running campaign that which ruined the Hub Zero project and could have ruined the garden project.
We have to accept that this is what happens when you fight against conventions. Of cause im going to get bad press lots of the time, whats important is how I respond to it. I'd say ive made some progress in that area which is definatley a step in the right direction.
As it stands we have a very good chance to make something out of the Garden area and other possible sites. It is our plan to mobilize ourselves in lots of areas around Stain so it will be impossible for our oppressors to lock us down to one place.
We seek the help of hisec dwellers to make this a reality, There are a group of cool guys that had already moved out to the Garden and they will be our allies and support us because both our goals are the same. The situation is very different from uf-kkh, the Garden is fertile.
For the moment our main points of contact are Dracvlad, Cat O Nine, and myself, I very sure we will have a few more points of contact very soon and I will pass the names onto you ASAP, for now feel free to come to "e-a public" channel or come to the Garden website: http://www.eve-garden.net/
Thanks to everyone involved for helping to bring the fun back into this.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.19 17:48:00 -
[643]
I guess we can say that we are now doing crop rotation in the Garden, lol...
We have a great group of people and the team is developing well, we have a number of allies, some that are with us now and others that will soon show their face.
Those that seek to hinder Aaron are now just a load of hot air on this thread, I am sure that you have seen it from their posts, they no longer have any means to stop us developing now we have made a strategic leap away from their influence.
Now it begins...
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 19/09/2010 17:29:33 Edited by: Aaron on 19/09/2010 17:17:28
Originally by: Cat o ninetails Here is a case of near altruism, the Garden project is encouraging chaps and chappettes to make the break and join us in 0.0. And we're the bad guys? It's the situation where people complain about it being rainy sometimes, but never really appreciate the sunny days.
It is a shame that I was the target of a long running campaign that ruined the Hub Zero project and could have ruined the garden project.
We have to accept that this is what happens when you fight against conventions. Of cause im going to get bad press lots of the time, whats important is how I respond to it. I'd say ive made some progress in that area which is definatley a step in the right direction.
As it stands we have a very good chance to make something out of the Garden area and other possible sites. It is our plan to mobilize ourselves in lots of areas around Stain so it will be impossible for our oppressors to lock us down to one place.
We seek the help of hisec dwellers to make this a reality, There are a group of cool guys that had already moved out to the Garden and they will be our allies and support us because both our goals are the same. The situation is very different from uf-kkh, the Garden is fertile.
For the moment our main points of contact are Dracvlad, Cat O Nine, and myself, I very sure we will have a few more points of contact very soon and I will pass the names onto you ASAP, for now feel free to come to "e-a public" channel or come to the Garden website: http://www.eve-garden.net/
Thanks to everyone involved for helping to bring the fun back into this.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.19 19:46:00 -
[644]
WE NEVER WANTED YOU HERE ANYWAYS!!!!!
come back?
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.20 08:14:00 -
[645]
Edited by: Dracvlad on 20/09/2010 08:15:22 I can't resist this, but:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1386942
First of all what a strange place to post it, but more importantly when are Local Spike and Dalv's corp joining AOV?
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Ruhige Schmerz
Valhalla Naval Corp IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2010.09.20 10:59:00 -
[646]
When I get bored of the 0.0 I'm in now, I will join you. Too much fun to pass up, so don't let me down by giving up.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.20 11:51:00 -
[647]
Originally by: Dracvlad
I can't resist this, but: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1386942
AOV shrunk, and are nearly dead. They don't have enough people to post in the appropriate thread section [COAD] and so he was forced to post it there.
AOV has been NBSI for a while now, that "Official Notification" is just a load of crap for the forums. At this time AOV's level of importance is a few floors below non-existent, so unless he was politely telling CVA and friends that they were throwing in the towel, LogiCFX has developed some kind of strange, and very misplaced, internet-self-importance complex.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.20 14:58:00 -
[648]
I would suggest you post what you would do different, and not just what you feel he did wrong. If an alliance or corp wants to reset their standings they have to get the message out, right.. Better to tell people than to be an ******* and just start shooting. Also, AOV is bigger than EF and im guessing they are bigger than Eternum-guy's corp (yes/no?) so chill with the trash-talk.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:00:00 -
[649]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 20/09/2010 15:01:27
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace I would suggest you post what you would do different, and not just what you feel he did wrong. If an alliance or corp wants to reset their standings they have to get the message out, right.. Better to tell people than to be an ******* and just start shooting. Also, AOV is bigger than EF and im guessing they are bigger than Eternum-guy's corp (yes/no?) so chill with the trash-talk.
You basically have no idea what the X-Provi pets have done, are doing now or are planning to do in the not to distant future. Why do I need to respond to you?
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:34:00 -
[650]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 20/09/2010 15:36:05 I dont give a **** what they HAVE done, i care what they DO. I also dont like it when you talk crap about them, its nice of him to let people know they have been reset.. I would hope you give your friends the same curtesy if you are in management.
Edit: You can say someone is a coward if they leave when **** hits the fan, or you can give them credit for thinking about their own members instead of their e-honour.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:41:00 -
[651]
If AOV and Local-Spike choose to stay around Uf-kkh they will get owned, simple. So Logicfx, Gab, please be as stubborn as you have been for the past year and put everything you've got into Uf and the surrounding area.
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LogiCFX
Caldari Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:41:00 -
[652]
bjornar states a good point. I wont get into the details of our decision, but it is the rigth thing to do to let those who have you blue know what you will be doing. As for our numbers, lol. I dont think you understand the concept of skilled pilots. Also may i remind you that your 3 man corporation doesnt even have the ******* attached to it to be speaking like that about others in the forums. Clearly you are an aaron alt, i also bet you posted not realizing what character you where posting with... so lol. You sir once again show your fail diplomacy skills in a different way.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 20/09/2010 15:45:09
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace You can say someone is a coward if they leave when **** hits the fan, or you can give them credit for thinking about their own members instead of their e-honour.
Me, I prefer people who stick to their convictions to the end. There are still Provi pets (right now) killing reds in low sec just like they did in Providence. That is conviction. Everyone else who left, didn't fight for provide and/or basically just disappeared and went NBSI were ultimately just talking the talk, and not walking the walk.
AKA... there were just there to carebear ISK in free sov, like all of CVA's enemies always said they were.
So yea, BJ, your the kind who like to cut and run to save your a**, not everyone is like you
At Logi:
Your people were terrorizing noobs, rookies and carebears without consent way before you made that post.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:44:00 -
[654]
OH SNAP
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:48:00 -
[655]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 20/09/2010 15:56:54
Originally by: LogiCFX bjornar states a good point. I wont get into the details of our decision, but it is the rigth thing to do to let those who have you blue know what you will be doing. As for our numbers, lol. I dont think you understand the concept of skilled pilots. Also may i remind you that your 3 man corporation doesnt even have the ******* attached to it to be speaking like that about others in the forums. Clearly you are an aaron alt, i also bet you posted not realizing what character you where posting with... so lol. You sir once again show your fail diplomacy skills in a different way.
Here Is Your Fail
Linkage
Do more research next time, this is the graduate level Corporation. And if you don't like me calling you out, we are looking for a good wardec, by all means show me how "Skillful" your pilots are. So far as I can tell they can't even warp onto a primary at similar ranges when fleeted.
I would put my X-carebears in training, against your so called "L33T" pilots in Stain any day of the week.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.20 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron If AOV and Local-Spike choose to stay around Uf-kkh they will get owned, simple. So Logicfx, Gab, please be as stubborn as you have been for the past year and put everything you've got into Uf and the surrounding area.
I am the only one who see the INSANE irony in this post?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 20/09/2010 16:02:43 I'll level with you for a moment logic.
The year long battle we had with you was quite interesting and it taught me a few things. Weve done a comparison on battleclinic for E-A vs AOV and our findings are very encouraging.
Generally myself and 5 other guys were able to get alot of kills on your alliance, yes your guys got more kills but we did very well for 6 guys fighting against an alliance such as AOV.
You will fail if you stay in Uf, your enemies are now Session Changes, Dead Terrorists, -A-, Stain Empire, and a few other smaller alliances that are remarkably good at pvp.
The problem with you and Gabriel Angelus is you dont understand the concept of respect, Allot of the alliances I mentioned have had alot of involvement in Stain history which reaches back 5/6 years and theres no way they are going to blue up with you. Looking at the bigger picture you guys are new commers to Stain and you will be made to leave first.
Also you and Gabriel feel that you are in some kind of competition with me, based on alot of you guys previous posts here it appears your trying to say "we can do this better than you can Aaron".
Well Gab, logic, this is it, we will see what you're made of. we will see if you can stand up to all these powerful alliances making it their priority to remove you.
Edit: Eternum is not my alt, he is an associate with an interest in populating 0.0.
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LogiCFX
Caldari Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:03:00 -
[658]
lol.... dec away save me the cost =)
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:07:00 -
[659]
Originally by: LogiCFX lol.... dec away save me the cost =)
Quoting the executor of a win alliance.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:11:00 -
[660]
At least he is the executor of an alliance, and he has fun doing it. Now i have not done my research (sorry eternum), but atm you can find this quote in the executor corp of AOV: "Corp goals are PEW PEW, Funtimes, and to make all members wealthy." Does it say anywhere in that text that their goal is to defend providence at all cost? Does it say that the status of providence is more important than their members fun? NO SIR I DONT THINK SO
Good day
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:11:00 -
[661]
I've refrained from posting here on a regular basis until now...but...
This thread isn't about our reset. This thread is about E-A and should remain so. No need to derail the thread when you have a CAOD topic to post in...that is, if you can post there. On another note, I also have an annoying sig. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:21:00 -
[662]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 20/09/2010 16:24:26
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Has No Clue
When you are an alliance exec dealing with the cluster that was CVA's diplo channel, then you can comment. Been there, done that and btw being an alliance exec is far from an enviable position. I found that out the hard way...
Originally by: Agent Known This thread is about E-A and should remain so. No need
No it seems to be about this:
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia TO: ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS THIS GUY
ME AND ALL MY INTERNET FRIENDS WILL COME AND GRIEF YOU.
WE WILL FIND YOUR STATIONS AND WAIT AT YOUR UNDOCKS AND KILL YOU AND TAKE ALL YOUR INTERNET SPACESHIP LOOT FOR OURSELVES
GOOD LUCK AARON, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I THANK YOU FOR GETTING ALL THE GULLIBLE NAIVE PEOPLE OF EVE AND HERDING THEM TO ONE NICE KILL SPOT FOR ME
I AWAIT YOUR SUCCESS SO THAT I MAY USHER IN YOUR FAILURE
So who cares where it goes from here? TBH The thread needs to be locked.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:36:00 -
[663]
I dont think this thead should be locked Eternum
The haters and trolls have said all they can say to sully my name and Im still here doing what I do, Its been a long journey and TBH the venture is just starting.
This thread is a very important part of eve as 0.0 population is one of the hottest topics.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 20/09/2010 16:44:30 Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 20/09/2010 16:42:18
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Has No Clue
When you are an alliance exec dealing with the cluster that was CVA's diplo channel, then you can comment. Been there, done that and btw being an alliance exec is far from an enviable position. I found that out the hard way...
So you didnt like beeing an alliance executor (which alliance? legitimate questions, not a troll remark), what does that have to do with anything? Having alot of responsibility is not for everyone, if you didnt like it doesnt mean its not something other people want.
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
So who cares where it goes from here? TBH The thread needs to be locked.
History says that Aaron will just make a new thread if this one gets locked, so no point in locking it. Do any of you have any reason to believe otherwise?
Also i have lots of clues :(
Edit: to be serious though and pick your accusation apart im gonna do like this. You said i have no clue because of this post:
At least he is the executor of an alliance, and he has fun doing it. 1. he is the CEO of the executor corp 2. He has fun doing it or else he wouldnt be doing it. this is after all a game:) Now i have not done my research (sorry eternum), but atm you can find this quote in the executor corp of AOV: "Corp goals are PEW PEW, Funtimes, and to make all members wealthy." Does it say anywhere in that text that their goal is to defend providence at all cost? Does it say that the status of providence is more important than their members fun? NO SIR I DONT THINK SO CoolCoolCool That chunk of text is correct as well :O
Good day This might be wrong for you, but im gonna pass this part too.
By now you have probably noticed i hate stupid posts with no root in reality, and im forced to write long posts with lots of text to counter your arguments. You have bravely said you do not wish to read my long posts earlier in this wonderful thread, so this might be a lost cause for me:(
Good evening
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:51:00 -
[665]
I still dont get why you post here so often BJ, afterall, you manufactured a dispute between us when none existed and you try so desperatly to turn people away from this thread by spreading propaganda.
Please accept you are absolutly nothing to do with this project and you cannot hinder our progress any longer.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.20 16:57:00 -
[666]
BJ I am starting to think your an amusing little fellow lol
Now, your last post has indeed lost me. But truth be told, not everyone becomes an Alliance exec for the those reasons. Most do it because 1.) They have a substantial ego or 2.) They will benefit from the corporations within their alliance (usually in their wallet) In all my years of playing eve, I have never heard anyone say "Its so much fun being an alliance executive"
I did it because, at the time, we thought Dominion would bring a massive change to the Sov mechanic. It did not (CCP chickened out) and then we simply disbanded a few days before the expansion went live.
What being at the head of a 1200 man alliance did teach me however, was that people at the top get very rich, and they love to screw over the little guy. That was not my speed, and TBH wealth, to me, was not worth the hassle and so I restarted my old PVP Training corp instead.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.20 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron I still dont get why you post here so often BJ, afterall, you manufactured a dispute between us when none existed and you try so desperatly to turn people away from this thread by spreading propaganda.
Please accept you are absolutly nothing to do with this project and you cannot hinder our progress any longer.
Last few posts have not been about you, therefore you felt you had to make an appearance by posting that old lecture. Oh and what dispute did i manufacture?
(For Aaron's eyes only: Hey buddy i did what we discussed on Evemail, i responded to your obvious cry for attention. NOW GIVE ME MY QUAFE!) |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:12:00 -
[668]
Edited by: Aaron on 20/09/2010 22:12:24 We have now mobilised the Rorqual and will be bringing it to Sagain to accept jump clones.
For the first week we will be doing a promotion where we will create a clone in the rorq for you at a cost of 5 million isk, the clone will be taken to Stain and created next to a logistics station where you can set your medical clone immiedietly.
I'm happy to deal with people who simply want jump clones and don't neccesarily want to partake in the garden venture.
Be lucky o/
Edit: 5th snipe
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.20 22:20:00 -
[669]
Edited by: Aaron on 20/09/2010 22:22:52
Originally by: Sirref Naes
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
(For Aaron's eyes only: Hey buddy i did what we discussed on Evemail, i responded to your obvious cry for attention. NOW GIVE ME MY QUAFE!)
I sent aaron an evemail once... It contained this:
Quote: Check Seals - You have a leak "[01:00:54] Gabriel Angelus > if we can have Aaron use our inbedded cyno pilot we're rekilling his carrier"
and he still jumped in with his carrier! I'm not sure if it was because of his huge ego (that nothing wrong could happened to him) or that he just unable to recognize help when its given to him.
Heh, so it was you who sent that, cool :)
Thank you for attempting to help me out, it was most appreciated.
That mail was sent directly to Aaron who was logged off at the time, I was using that account to do the midway cyno for my carrier account. I was completly gutted when I saw your mail the carrier had already gone down lol.
Cheers for that mate.
N.B. If you still have an alt in local-spike theres top isk prices paid for info :)
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 20/09/2010 23:05:31 How much isk are we talking? omfg wrong account :(
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frdbrlw1988
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:29:00 -
[671]
I have some intel for u Aaron, it will cost u 10bill
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frdbrlw1988
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.20 23:33:00 -
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O and pro tip IGRAVEN if u get pisted of when u lose a BC u shouldnt be in a pvp corp, also pretty fail on your part to take your frustration out on your corp. U did us a favor by leaving. Your new corp must have not liked u either because they killed your dread, looks like u got what u deserved.
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igRaVeN
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: frdbrlw1988 O and pro tip IGRAVEN if u get pisted of when u lose a BC u shouldnt be in a pvp corp, also pretty fail on your part to take your frustration out on your corp. U did us a favor by leaving. Your new corp must have not liked u either because they killed your dread, looks like u got what u deserved.
BLAST killed my dread because they're all a bunch of killmail *****s and I wasn't part of any of the BLAST corps at the time. EoG did offer me a spot back in but I refused due to my lack of enjoyment within the BLAST alliance. Plus, I would of had to redo the whole interview again and I didn't want to go through all the hassle to just leave the corp again once I had my stuff out. Plus, I wouldn't lie to them like that when they hadn't harmed or cheated me in the past. It would of saved me alot money/isk if I would of gone through the process but I'm not that type of player.
The reason I hated losing my BC's and BS's was the fact that Local-Spike had no organization skills / skilled FC's which lead to my BC/BS destruction. I believe my last BC lost with SPKE was because of a known hot-dropper coming through the gate and someone's grand idea to camp the gate. Once the hot-dropper got through he lit his cyno and tackled me. At that point everyone scattered. Leaving me, once again, by myself on the gate with the known hot-dropper which I knew would happen.. So my question to you, If SPKE is this "PVP" corp that you believe it is... Why would they leave on first contact of PVP? [My answer :: they left because it wasn't a noobship flying through]
So... My recommendation to you fred would be to join a few other PVP corps before you say local-spike is one. At most everyone in local-spike is a griefer of noobships due to the medical station nearby and nothing else. The only possible PVP player within the corp (when I was there) was b0ing.
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And my final thought... The reason I left local-spike was due to the lack of income and a statement made by a certain director within the corp. I have never stated this comment to anyone in the corp before but it was one of the main reasons I left SPKE on such short notice.
This gives me great sorrow knowing that even though I was hosting the website, killboards, voice comms, and running a POS for the corp in STAIN that my departure gave you such happiness. The only fulfillment I can get now is to know that anyone that I could of considered a friend from SPKE is a complete lie.
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Very Very Final Note :: I was removed from EoG due to my unannounced vacation/departure from EVE. Reason I left was because of the website that I was still hosting for my old corp (local-spike) was hacked a few days after I left the corp. Which lead to my further frustration with EVE and subscription termination. So I am very disappointed to know that my site getting hacked, which lead to my departure from EVE, which lead to my Corp Eviction, which lead to my Dread lost gives you such joy.
Put simply - Butterfly affect of dealing with trolling ****tards.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.21 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 21/09/2010 10:32:39 Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 21/09/2010 10:30:52 The reason I hated losing my BC's and BS's was the fact that Local-Spike had no organization skills / skilled FC's which lead to my BC/BS destruction. I believe my last BC lost with SPKE was because of a known hot-dropper coming through the gate and someone's grand idea to camp the gate. Once the hot-dropper got through he lit his cyno and tackled me. At that point everyone scattered. Leaving me, once again, by myself on the gate with the known hot-dropper which I knew would happen.. So my question to you, If SPKE is this "PVP" corp that you believe it is... Why would they leave on first contact of PVP? [My answer :: they left because it wasn't a noobship flying through
You are correct when you say local-spike need the managment to step up and fix someone who has the responsbility of FC'ing, but not in your case. When we fly so few its enough to communicate with eachother because the plan was given on teamspeak, we were to be on that gate at our optimals and then shoot what came through. primary target was given.. and cyno lit. Then severall of us basically said GTFO and i was the last to get out afaik, but i do remember that you came in WAY late. That fault is entirely your own!
And my final thought... The reason I left local-spike was due to the lack of income Isk is everywhere if you know how to find it, apparantly you didnt. DO local-spike need to hold your hand ? I have nothing against you besides the fact that you did whatever you could to sabotage when you left. Keeping the killboard up after leaving would have been nice of you, but its your website = your choice. What i dont like is the way you did things.
and a statement made by a certain director within the corp. I have never stated this comment to anyone in the corp before but it was one of the main reasons I left SPKE on such short notice. I am 100% curious all the time :/, send me an EVEmail?
This gives me great sorrow knowing that even though I was hosting the website, killboards, voice comms, and running a POS for the corp in STAIN that my departure gave you such happiness. The only fulfillment I can get now is to know that anyone that I could of considered a friend from SPKE is a complete lie. You ran a POS to do moonmining, afaik the POS was never used for much else because we have lots of NPC stations to use.
I also ran a POS to do moonmining for a while until AAA first dropped in severall SC and then a titan (i had a good time admiring it :D), and then later stopped baiting and finished it off with dreads. The difference is im not deillusional enough to think i did that for the corp, it was never used by the corp anyways. I did it for the isk.
I agree you did a lot for the corp in comparison to others, but that doesnt justify how you acted. Erick Odin had a POS up to use as a base in a system with no station, and he didnt moon mine. THAT is how you put up a POS from your own pocket for the benefit of the corp.
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So I am very disappointed to know that my site getting hacked, which lead to my departure from EVE. If someone in the corp could hack do you think they would hack their own killboard? I would rather hack the garden website ololololol. Did someone write anything on your website about Local-Spike? If not chances that it was an automated program made to exploit some outdated script you had on your website. For example a CMS. Put simply - Butterfly affect of dealing with trolling ****tards.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: igRaVeN The reason I hated losing my BC's and BS's was the fact that Local-Spike had no organization skills / skilled FC's [/quot]
Quote: At most everyone in local-spike is a griefer of noobships due to the medical station nearby and nothing else
Well then, Myth Confrimed
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:44:00 -
[676]
0/10
Those that actually was present when it happened will confirm my story.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.21 11:50:00 -
[677]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Taking the website down i can understand, but giving intel to Aaron which would have lost us a carrier kill is low
Bjorn, I still dont understand why you are so against me i've done nothing to you and infact simply tried to help you. All i've ever done is help guys come to 0.0.
When the Hub fell apart I had only known you for about a week, you decided to go back to hi-sec and to remain neutral from the argument I had with Gab, then about another week later you return under the local spike corp name. What could I have possibly done to you in such a short space of time to make you despise me? asking you to stay neutral from the argument was a reasonable request. for whatever reason you felt it was necessary to fight me. this is why I say you seemed to manufacture a beef with me when none existed.
When igRaven tried to help me that was an hounorable thing he did and I can respect him for it. He was able to see exactly what Gabriel had done and I dont think he liked it.
What Gab never understood at the time is that there was a reason that I was able to do the Hub Venture, this reason was respect and knowledge. The enemies had a certain level of respect for me as I had Manned up and stood up to them and I never gave up the fight. I always knew Gab would have a very hard time managing a corp down here because he is not as knowledgable as myself and he did'nt have a network of associates.
I'll admit SPKE lasted in stain for longer than I expected and its only now they are starting to fall. My old friends have come back to live in the uf corridor and SPKE or AOV does not have the skill or numbers to beat them.
I call this poetic justice.
igRaven felt that you didnt appreciate him and found it difficult to earn, he seemed to do alot for you guys and I can understand him feeling annoyed cos some of you were happy he left.
Please do not think I am gloating about SPKE falling cos im not. Gab has alot of potential and I felt he needed to continue working with me, We would have made an explosive team. It seemed Gab just wanted the glory of being in command but didnt understand exactly what it took to be a CEO of a corp in a place such as stain.
At the moment SPKE are being camped in by an allied fleet of about 70 guys and I cant see any way out of this for them. Gab, it is now time for you to learn your lesson from all of this.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:07:00 -
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I don't know too much about Local Spike, but I did notice that b0ing was a cut above the rest, I have also been looking at the KB and noted like Eternum Praetorian that they killed a lot of noob ships and industrials. So looking at igRaVeN's comments it pretty much confirms what we were thinking.
The op on the gate is very interesting and Bjorn's recollection is even more of an eye openner, experienced fleet comannders and people who understand how to command in Eve or any other game for that matter will see from what Bjorn said just how fail that was, and that from a corp that said that they were ace PvP'rs in this very thread.
I was wondering if Local Spike would join AOV, well I now wonder if AOV (even as a failing alliance) would want Local Spike? Perhaps only b0ing...
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Triethylene
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:20:00 -
[679]
Edited by: Triethylene on 21/09/2010 13:21:23 Your old friends are back Aaron? An allied fleet?
That's not the impression I got from the way they talked to you.
Please explain.
Thanks.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.21 13:35:00 -
[680]
Edited by: Aaron on 21/09/2010 13:44:05 Edited by: Aaron on 21/09/2010 13:36:54
Originally by: Triethylene Edited by: Triethylene on 21/09/2010 13:21:23 Your old friends are back Aaron? An allied fleet?
That's not the impression I got from the way they talked to you.
Please explain.
Thanks.
Firstly They were talking to my alt and did not know who my main is, secondly if you take a few minutes to look at my employment history and compare it to some of their employment history u will see
I dont know all of them guys i'll admit that, i'm just friends with some of the corps in those alliances.
When I say allied fleet, I mean, Session Changes and Dead Terrorists are allied.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:11:00 -
[681]
Originally by: Aaron
Bjorn, I still dont understand why you are so against me i've done nothing to you and infact simply tried to help you. All i've ever done is help guys come to 0.0.
When the Hub fell apart I had only known you for about a week, you decided to go back to hi-sec and to remain neutral from the argument I had with Gab, then about another week later you return under the local spike corp name. What could I have possibly done to you in such a short space of time to make you despise me? asking you to stay neutral from the argument was a reasonable request. for whatever reason you felt it was necessary to fight me. this is why I say you seemed to manufacture a beef with me when none existed.
Thank you for clarifying but i will have to disagree. I was in UF for a while, about a month maybe even longer.
- After a while i believe it was rooster who did diplomatic-magic and got you in negotiations with local-spike to become blue. If i remember correctly it was a few days before that agreement broke down. - That is why me and severall others left at the time. i was not alone in leaving. I do not remember the reason that the blue standings didnt work out, but in my experience Gabriel Angelus and his directors are reasonable. I joined Local-Spike because it would give me a chance to be in an 0.0 sov alliance which would be a new experience for me, and because i percieved them to be better PvP'ers than you so it would be beneficial to me. (im not trying to offend you)
Originally by: Aaron
When igRaven tried to help me that was an hounorable thing he did and I can respect him for it. He was able to see exactly what Gabriel had done and I dont think he liked it.
Nothing honourable in betraying your corporation. It might be fun and profitable for some, but no e-honour:)
Originally by: Aaron
What Gab never understood at the time is that there was a reason that I was able to do the Hub Venture, this reason was respect and knowledge. The enemies had a certain level of respect for me as I had Manned up and stood up to them and I never gave up the fight. I always knew Gab would have a very hard time managing a corp down here because he is not as knowledgable as myself and he did'nt have a network of associates.
I'll admit SPKE lasted in stain for longer than I expected and its only now they are starting to fall. My old friends have come back to live in the uf corridor and SPKE or AOV does not have the skill or numbers to beat them.
I call this poetic justice.
Climbing high up is dangerous, it hurts when you fall.
Originally by: Aaron
igRaven felt that you didnt appreciate him and found it difficult to earn, he seemed to do alot for you guys and I can understand him feeling annoyed cos some of you were happy he left.
From my point of view Igraven was not treated any different than the other members. I have also said why people acted like they did but you do not want to listen. I cant say i talked much to you igraven but you seemed like a normal dude just like everyone else. What i didnt like is when you rage over something that was your fault. I dont like raging in general, unless its in italian:) Or funny:)
Originally by: Aaron
Please do not think I am gloating about SPKE falling cos im not. Gab has alot of potential and I felt he needed to continue working with me, We would have made an explosive team. It seemed Gab just wanted the glory of being in command but didnt understand exactly what it took to be a CEO of a corp in a place such as stain.
What have you done differently? What does it take..
Originally by: Aaron
At the moment SPKE are being camped in by an allied fleet of about 70 guys and I cant see any way out of this for them. Gab, it is now time for you to learn your lesson from all of this.
They are not here for Local-spike They will get bored and leave anyways Its not like Local-Spike cant move.. SPKE is not chained to one system.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:24:00 -
[682]
Originally by: Dracvlad I don't know too much about Local Spike, but I did notice that b0ing was a cut above the rest, I have also been looking at the KB and noted like Eternum Praetorian that they killed a lot of noob ships and industrials. So looking at igRaVeN's comments it pretty much confirms what we were thinking.
The op on the gate is very interesting and Bjorn's recollection is even more of an eye openner, experienced fleet comannders and people who understand how to command in Eve or any other game for that matter will see from what Bjorn said just how fail that was, and that from a corp that said that they were ace PvP'rs in this very thread.
I was wondering if Local Spike would join AOV, well I now wonder if AOV (even as a failing alliance) would want Local Spike? Perhaps only b0ing...
Pathetic posting dravclad, you are not normally like this. 1.NBSI, i dont give a **** if the neutral/red is flying an Apoc or a bestower. Im still gonna shoot. 2. Oh boy you have not been paying attention in class today. My point was that the incident which made igraven ragequit Local-Spike was his fault. You dont NEED a FC to sit on a gate and F1 the people that come throuh.
In Local-spike a brain is required to join, you wont allways have someone to think for you :O
Link me the post that said Local-SPike is "Ace PvP'ers". I will bet you 2 excotic dancer's it was said by a single person with no authority (like me woot), or it was obvous trolling that you missed because you are a *****
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Edited by: Aaron on 21/09/2010 14:42:57 Edited by: Aaron on 21/09/2010 14:40:34 Well actually BJorn, it was honourable what igRaven did simply because he can see the bigger picture and he understood that all I was trying to do was help people get to 0.0.
Local-Spike made me one of their top priorities to attack me in game and on the forums, It is impossible for you to deny this as reading posts from you and your corp has made it evident.
Yes you've stated a reason for Gab to pursue me, I didnt accept his offer for blue standings and was going to fight him when my backup arrived. but my point is you yourself dont really have much grounds for trolling this forum like you do because there was absolutley no bitterness between us. You are a soldier for SPKE Bjorn, you should really act like it and try harder to stop trolling.
The main point im trying to make is this would have been a great venture and Gab thought he was doing a good thing when he tried to fill my role in this. based on some facts and igRavens post it appears Gab doesnt know what hes doing.
Originally by: igRaven
This gives me great sorrow knowing that even though I was hosting the website, killboards, voice comms, and running a POS for the corp in STAIN that my departure gave you such happiness. The only fulfillment I can get now is to know that anyone that I could of considered a friend from SPKE is a complete lie.
These are important words that igRaven has said here and you'd do well to listen to him. it appears he did alot for SPKE and wasnt appreciated. If igRaven had done all of this for my corp he would have been invited into leadership and respected by listening to his suggestions and concerns.
(I now understand why you posted stuff here igRaven, you wanted to show us the bad conditions in SPKE)
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frdbrlw1988
Minmatar Local-Spike
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Edited by: frdbrlw1988 on 21/09/2010 14:52:49 Raven we are not disputting the fact that u did a lot for the corp when u where in it ( website ts3 server etc ) that **** doesnt matter in the end if u backstab your corp, not only that u where also shootin blues. And as far as us killing noob ships and industrials the reason being is that is what the majority of ships people are flying when they come through the pipe. also as far as isk generation i have more in stain than i ever did when we where in sys k. Also they ran because the guy popped a cyno, which was the smart thing to do, and they said over TS to gtfo and u warped in after the fact.
Also u are *****ing about how we suck at pvp yet the corp and its allies managed to talckle and kill Aarons Carrier twice, and the second time u had even warned him and they still killed it. And regards to your website u got buthurt over someone hacking it and started accusing the corp of doing WTF would we hack our own site and put a picture of a pile of **** on it for?
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:10:00 -
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^What he said^ Aaron you are talking out of your ass.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:12:00 -
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It could of been so cool Gab, now i gotta work 10 times as hard to get back to where the venture was.
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Amanda V
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:15:00 -
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the industrials were killed on a jump bridge in retaliation for the supercap drops on bc's.
anwyay, the only thing everybody here can agree on is the same thing our great Local-Spike founders discovered almost a year ago. Aaron is a dweeb who is best ignored here and in local. It's hard work ignoring him, because he is such a SPKE stalker, but we shall persist.
Aaron, you great leadership skills have shown through on this thread and I'm sure you'll get lots of new recruits. Keep up the good work.
Oh, and get an Eve life for christs sake.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:22:00 -
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And the Noob ships? Amanda V and Bjorn gave a different answer, what is it chaps?
Step back and think that op through, if you cannot see what I am getting at then you are making it a lot worse..., no amount of bluster and insults can change it. In terms of the great PvP'r thing go and look, it was comparing local Spike to Stain Empire among others, perhaps it was said in jest?
The carrier losses, you make it sound if Local Spike did it with the support of others, I think you were the junior party in both cases.
So when are you joining AOV then? If you do not you will be red to them, have fun...
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 21/09/2010 15:44:39
Originally by: Dracvlad <3__<3
And the Noob ships? Amanda V and Bjorn gave a different answer, what is it chaps? A player is neutral/red even if he is in a noobship, pod or shuttle. That was my answer before as well. The industrials were killed by activating a [insert harmful module using highslot].
Step back and think that op through, if you cannot see what I am getting at then you are making it a lot worse..., no amount of bluster and insults can change it. In terms of the great PvP'r thing go and look, it was comparing local Spike to Stain Empire among others, perhaps it was said in jest?
Find that post i want to read it. As you are making the statements its your burden to find proof. What i said earlier about exotic dancer bet is still on :-)
The carrier losses, you make it sound if Local Spike did it with the support of others, I think you were the junior party in both cases. This part of your post is the only part that makes sense. wp :)
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Minmatar Local-Spike
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Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Find that post i want to read it. As you are making the statements its your burden to find proof. What i said earlier about exotic dancer bet is still on :-)
He's talking about when I included our corp in the list of great PVP'rs in the area, and yes, it was said in jest. Well honestly I don't know exactly what jest means, but yes I was being funny.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Amanda V the industrials were killed on a jump bridge in retaliation for the supercap drops on bc's.
anwyay, the only thing everybody here can agree on is the same thing our great Local-Spike founders discovered almost a year ago. Aaron is a dweeb who is best ignored here and in local. It's hard work ignoring him, because he is such a SPKE stalker, but we shall persist.
Aaron, you great leadership skills have shown through on this thread and I'm sure you'll get lots of new recruits. Keep up the good work.
Oh, and get an Eve life for christs sake.
Oh sorry buddy, i didnt realise this was a SPKE thread.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:13:00 -
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Your blustering again Bjorn..., we do see rather a lot of noob ships, pods, shuttles and industrials on your killboard, but I say that in relation to your corp mates comments comparing your corp to Stain Empire among others, Eternum Praetorian reacted to that post too and no I am not going to tell you where it was in this thread, why should I have to prove what one of your corpies said here? Posting all the time does not give you ownership does it...
In terms of AOV, read what LogiCFX said.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.21 16:37:00 -
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I enjoy watching things burn...
...And this thread is burning real good
I think this thread should be stickied as a perfect example of why pilots should not go to 0.0.
Well done Aaron
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Aaron
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Originally by: Buck Marui I enjoy watching things burn...
...And this thread is burning real good
I think this thread should be stickied as a perfect example of why pilots should not go to 0.0.
Well done Aaron
It's very Aa-ronic.
Ha ha nice one buddy, Aa-ronic, i loled. :)
I agree with you mate its difficult in 0.0, AOV and SPKE are gonna have an extremley difficult time if they choose to remain on the uf pipe.
I did actually consider contacting Gabriel to see if anything could be worked out however, I think it will be too difficult to go back to what it was.
I may consider going back to uf once Aov and local spike have moved, I think my old employers are moving back into uf so that might be a little difficult. Im happy to admit my old corp has more right to uf than even myself as they were there a long time before I was.
Hopfully AOV and SPKE will let go of the problems they've had with me and I can continue to assist helping people down to 0.0 without a bitter vendetta chasing me.
Even though the ventures havent quite worked out as I thought they would I still feel I had an interesting experience it was great to be involved with lots of people and do ops together.
I'd like to thank Dracvlad for inspiring me to continue, he is a great guy and has stood with us through thick and thin, I am hounered to fly and work with him.
Maybe one day NPC 0.0 will be different and hisec dwellers can happily go out there and make a living as independents. Maybe the time is not right for 0.0 population because we are not ready, who knows, One thing I do know is that I will always be helping people to NPC 0.0.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Edited by: Buck Marui on 21/09/2010 17:33:40
Originally by: Aaron Ha ha nice one buddy, Aa-ronic, i loled. :)
I agree with you mate its difficult in 0.0, AOV and SPKE are gonna have an extremley difficult time if they choose to remain on the uf pipe.
I did actually consider contacting Gabriel to see if anything could be worked out however, I think it will be too difficult to go back to what it was.
I may consider going back to uf once Aov and local spike have moved, I think my old employers are moving back into uf so that might be a little difficult. Im happy to admit my old corp has more right to uf than even myself as they were there a long time before I was.
Hopfully AOV and SPKE will let go of the problems they've had with me and I can continue to assist helping people down to 0.0 without a bitter vendetta chasing me.
Even though the ventures havent quite worked out as I thought they would I still feel I had an interesting experience it was great to be involved with lots of people and do ops together.
I'd like to thank Dracvlad for inspiring me to continue, he is a great guy and has stood with us through thick and thin, I am hounered to fly and work with him.
Maybe one day NPC 0.0 will be different and hisec dwellers can happily go out there and make a living as independents. Maybe the time is not right for 0.0 population because we are not ready, who knows, One thing I do know is that I will always be helping people to NPC 0.0.
It is a shame...
Despite some obvious flaws in your approach to this idea, I still think you should be commended for the effort, time and commitment you put into seeing your vision come to life.
Well done, and good luck in any future endeavours.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.21 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Buck Marui Edited by: Buck Marui on 21/09/2010 17:33:40
Originally by: Aaron Ha ha nice one buddy, Aa-ronic, i loled. :)
I agree with you mate its difficult in 0.0, AOV and SPKE are gonna have an extremley difficult time if they choose to remain on the uf pipe.
I did actually consider contacting Gabriel to see if anything could be worked out however, I think it will be too difficult to go back to what it was.
I may consider going back to uf once Aov and local spike have moved, I think my old employers are moving back into uf so that might be a little difficult. Im happy to admit my old corp has more right to uf than even myself as they were there a long time before I was.
Hopfully AOV and SPKE will let go of the problems they've had with me and I can continue to assist helping people down to 0.0 without a bitter vendetta chasing me.
Even though the ventures havent quite worked out as I thought they would I still feel I had an interesting experience it was great to be involved with lots of people and do ops together.
I'd like to thank Dracvlad for inspiring me to continue, he is a great guy and has stood with us through thick and thin, I am hounered to fly and work with him.
Maybe one day NPC 0.0 will be different and hisec dwellers can happily go out there and make a living as independents. Maybe the time is not right for 0.0 population because we are not ready, who knows, One thing I do know is that I will always be helping people to NPC 0.0.
It is a shame...
Despite some obvious flaws in your approach to this idea, I still think you should be commended for the effort, time and commitment you put into seeing your vision come to life.
Well done, and good luck in any future endeavours.
Edit: for quote formatting.
Thanks very much buddy, and yes I can accept I had some flaws in my approach.
The reason being is that I'm just a guy trying to do something. I would have appreciated people comming forward to help me with these flaws and trying to bear with me a bit. I guess this only happens in an ideal world. :)
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.21 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Thanks very much buddy, and yes I can accept I had some flaws in my approach.
The reason being is that I'm just a guy trying to do something. I would have appreciated people comming forward to help me with these flaws and trying to bear with me a bit. I guess this only happens in an ideal world. :)
While I may be overstepping bounds here, and I don't mean to alienate anyone, but Dracvlad was painted as your right hand man in this thread, he was overly loyal to the point of apparent gulibility, prospective people willing to help will have seen this and not bothered, I backed down after he woefully misinterpreted the meaning behind my words in the previous posts, this should give you a visual impression of how many silent others saw the relationship between the two of you.
Loyalty is commendable, blind obedience is not.
Of course this is my own opinion, and it is not necessarily shared by anyone else
I'm sure maybe the two of you toghever would be able to get this idea off the ground, as long as people see you as partners and not... master and servant.
I'm sure this will make Dracvlad very unhappy as he won't fully understand the meaning behind what I've written here, but I simply hope you do, and will leave it at that.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.21 17:59:00 -
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Well thank you for the good luck and your comments, and I am not insulted, I speak to Aaron in private and tell him what I think, put forward my ideas and strategies, however I respect the chain of command, Aaron is the leader. Too many problems were caused by people not accepting decisions, there is an art to leadership, there is also an art to being a team member. Of course this is my opinion and not necessarily shared by others.
Originally by: Buck Marui
Originally by: Aaron Thanks very much buddy, and yes I can accept I had some flaws in my approach.
The reason being is that I'm just a guy trying to do something. I would have appreciated people comming forward to help me with these flaws and trying to bear with me a bit. I guess this only happens in an ideal world. :)
While I may be overstepping bounds here, and I don't mean to alienate anyone, but Dracvlad was painted as your right hand man in this thread, he was overly loyal to the point of apparent gulibility, prospective people willing to help will have seen this and not bothered, I backed down after he woefully misinterpreted the meaning behind my words in the previous posts, this should give you a visual impression of how many silent others saw the relationship between the two of you.
Loyalty is commendable, blind obedience is not.
Of course this is my own opinion, and it is not necessarily shared by anyone else
I'm sure maybe the two of you toghever would be able to get this idea off the ground, as long as people see you as partners and not... master and servant.
I'm sure this will make Dracvlad very unhappy as he won't fully understand the meaning behind what I've written here, but I simply hope you do, and will leave it at that.
Good luck to the both of you, I hope we cross paths in game under mutually prosperous circumstances
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Buck Marui
Originally by: Aaron Thanks very much buddy, and yes I can accept I had some flaws in my approach.
The reason being is that I'm just a guy trying to do something. I would have appreciated people comming forward to help me with these flaws and trying to bear with me a bit. I guess this only happens in an ideal world. :)
While I may be overstepping bounds here, and I don't mean to alienate anyone, but Dracvlad was painted as your right hand man in this thread, he was overly loyal to the point of apparent gulibility, prospective people willing to help will have seen this and not bothered, I backed down after he woefully misinterpreted the meaning behind my words in the previous posts, this should give you a visual impression of how many silent others saw the relationship between the two of you.
Loyalty is commendable, blind obedience is not.
Of course this is my own opinion, and it is not necessarily shared by anyone else
I'm sure maybe the two of you toghever would be able to get this idea off the ground, as long as people see you as partners and not... master and servant.
I'm sure this will make Dracvlad very unhappy as he won't fully understand the meaning behind what I've written here, but I simply hope you do, and will leave it at that.
Good luck to the both of you, I hope we cross paths in game under mutually prosperous circumstances
No No and No, this is 100% INCORRECT.
Dracvlad is by NO means a humble servant, He is an integral part of E-A and the garden project.
To be totally honest with you I see Drac as more of a friend and mentor as opposed to someone I play a game with. Drac is never afraid to tell me when I go wrong and knows what he is talking about. In real life terms I look up to the guy.
I'm quite suprised you've come to these conclutions, may this be a reminder to us all to take some time and investigate somthing before forming an opinion or commiting to a decision.
N.B. Drac has also earned alot of isk down here despite managing aspects of E-A and the Garden, he is very clever and he can see that us working together will ensure both of us prosper.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.21 18:20:00 -
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Gab, buddy.
You'll have to accept now this is not just all about me as you may have thought in the first place. This is about Eve Online it always has been.
Look man, epic adventures are in short supply and we need your expertese to make this happen and take it to a new level. If you can forgive the wrongs I have then we can achieve some great things.
Theres alot of guys involved in this and the truth is this is far too important to be about ego.
I know the Pathogen ordeal happened a long time ago, he was successful in pulling the wool over both our eyes and this is somthing we have in common. He was in uf not so long ago bragging that hes the master at manipulation, I was like "yeah whatever" I say we try and workout somthing as the end result will be Pathogen winning.
Whaddya say Gab?
/me offers hand to Gab
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igRaVeN
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Posted - 2010.09.22 01:40:00 -
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Sorry I've been working all day
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... Then severall of us basically said GTFO and i was the last to get out afaik, but i do remember that you came in WAY late. That fault is entirely your own!
As far as I know the game mechanics doesn't allow you to stop mid-warp. The "GTFO" order was given to me at that point. And if you do remember, TG is quite a big system! So warping from place to place and giving an order mid warp doesn't help me much.
Isk is everywhere if you know how to find it, apparantly you didnt. DO local-spike need to hold your hand ? I have nothing against you besides the fact that you did whatever you could to sabotage when you left. Keeping the killboard up after leaving would have been nice of you, but its your website = your choice. What i dont like is the way you did things.
"My lack of income" was due to the sudden change from making 15 to 20mil a pop doing sanctums in CZ to maybe making 4-6mil a pop ratting belts in TG. It was quite a game changer for me.
Maybe you can't read (I know its your 2nd language) but the site was hacked. And maybe not to your knowledge but I did put the killboards back up a week after the hacking incident occurred.
I am 100% curious all the time :/, send me an EVEmail
LOL... Why would I evemail someone that's belittling me on the forums.
You ran a POS to do moonmining, afaik the POS was never used for much else because we have lots of NPC stations to use. I also ran a POS to do moonmining for a while until AAA first dropped in severall SC and then a titan (i had a good time admiring it :D), and then later stopped baiting and finished it off with dreads. The difference is im not deillusional enough to think i did that for the corp, it was never used by the corp anyways. I did it for the isk.
Umm... Gab was bringing down POS mods to put on the Tower with his JF. I never ordered them or paid for them. But I guess that's just a corp donation and not essential mods for a corp POS. Or did you never get that memo?
I agree you did a lot for the corp in comparison to others, but that doesnt justify how you acted. Erick Odin had a POS up to use as a base in a system with no station, and he didnt moon mine. THAT is how you put up a POS from your own pocket for the benefit of the corp.
Moon mining = Less Fuel Cost (simply put.) I never made a single drop of isk off those moons. And, If I didn't want the corp to use the POS I would of put a pass on the POS and restricted corp use.
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If someone in the corp could hack do you think they would hack their own killboard? I would rather hack the garden website ololololol. Did someone write anything on your website about Local-Spike? If not chances that it was an automated program made to exploit some outdated script you had on your website. For example a CMS.
That's amazing... Cause that's exactly how it happened. Do you have something to confess BJ? *Also, The garden's site is using a different CMS. **And to add to the killboard being deleted comment. The killboard was on a directory inside the local-spike folder - That's why the killboard was down. The automated script deleted everything inside the local-spike folder and left a virus where everything was.
Late edit: SO Tl;dr Local-Spike didnt hold your hand, you made a mistake. Some guys even contracted a fitted harbinger to you.. Taking the website down i can understand, but giving intel to Aaron which would have lost us a carrier kill is low
I believe I refused the harbinger contract. As I knew the loses were my own and I didn't want a donation for my own personal ships lost.
Killmail ***** much? It was a carrier lost to someone that just lost a carrier two days before that. It was starting to get pathetic, such as killing noobships and metagaming is. |
igRaVeN
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More Drama Lama
Originally by: frdbrlw1988 Edited by: frdbrlw1988 on 21/09/2010 14:52:49 Raven we are not disputting the fact that u did a lot for the corp when u where in it ( website ts3 server etc ) that **** doesnt matter in the end if u backstab your corp, not only that u where also shootin blues. And as far as us killing noob ships and industrials the reason being is that is what the majority of ships people are flying when they come through the pipe. also as far as isk generation i have more in stain than i ever did when we where in sys k. Also they ran because the guy popped a cyno, which was the smart thing to do, and they said over TS to gtfo and u warped in after the fact.
Also u are *****ing about how we suck at pvp yet the corp and its allies managed to talckle and kill Aarons Carrier twice, and the second time u had even warned him and they still killed it. And regards to your website u got buthurt over someone hacking it and started accusing the corp of doing WTF would we hack our own site and put a picture of a pile of **** on it for?
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First, Blues - whom weren't ever set blue by our corp. They were only stated in a mail not to be shot by us in a very long evemail from our diplo. And these "blues" but not shown as blue stayed well passed their extended welcome period in TG. Second, They/AOV shot my alt first. And if you shoot me - all status deals are off and I will drop my redeemer on your ships. Third, I could of done something more massively unjust to the corp then just evemailing someone. Aaron has been nothing more than an annoyance to SPKE. If I remember, we said we weren't even going to bother with him when we moved into TG. As you can tell that statement didn't last long.
Quote: And as far as us killing noob ships and industrials the reason being is that is what the majority of ships people are flying when they come through the pipe.
I believe SYS-K has a phrase for PVP'ers like SPKE - Lazy PVPers. When one of SE's market hubs, 4GQ, is 8 jumps away. I find it hilarious that you would try to use this excuse. Just try to jump in there and goto a station.. Just see what you find... I'm sure it wont be a noobship. (maybe an industrial but it wont be there for long.)
Quote: also as far as isk generation i have more in stain than i ever did when we where in sys k. Also they ran because the guy popped a cyno, which was the smart thing to do, and they said over TS to gtfo and u warped in after the fact.
Stated in earlier post.
Quote: Also u are *****ing about how we suck at pvp yet the corp and its allies managed to talckle and kill Aarons Carrier twice, and the second time u had even warned him and they still killed it.
Keyword... Allies... Local Spike did nothing besides ***** out on a killmail. Once again... This kill was brought to us by metagaming. Which I entirely hate within this game. Yes, I sent a message to Aaron but only sent it when I knew this kill was because of metagaming.
Quote: And regards to your website u got buthurt over someone hacking it and started accusing the corp of doing WTF would we hack our own site and put a picture of a pile of **** on it for?
Trully... I'm lost for words on this ... I don't know. I don't know what goes through the minds of trolls.
And final edit for my first post... Tri or Erick (whoever killed a ceptor with a bomber in BY-) could be considered a PVPer in my eyes. Cause that was the most epically funny **** I had ever seen.
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Miagi Sans
Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance
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this thread is wonderfully amusing!
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BjornarGoesToSpace
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Originally by: igRaVeN Sorry I've been working all day
As far as I know the game mechanics doesn't allow you to stop mid-warp. The "GTFO" order was given to me at that point. And if you do remember, TG is quite a big system! So warping from place to place and giving an order mid warp doesn't help me much.
Dont be so late next time then. You cant blame this on anyone that were there but yourself, if you understand that i will stop nagging about it. Its not like i enjoy telling you that you made a mistake.
Originally by: igraven "My lack of income" was due to the sudden change from making 15 to 20mil a pop doing sanctums in CZ to maybe making 4-6mil a pop ratting belts in TG. It was quite a game changer for me.
I think you are tired after that long day of work. When you get some sleep notice that the time to do a sactum solo takes a bit more time than a belt. If you are effective sanctums are a better income. But in belts you can easily do 30m/hour, plus the chance of extra goodies spawning ofc. So i call bull****.
Originally by: igraven
Maybe you can't read (I know its your 2nd language) but the site was hacked. And maybe not to your knowledge but I did put the killboards back up a week after the hacking incident occurred.[/b]
So from what i know your site was hacked and the only evidence left behind was an image containing poop yes? I dont know how you could come to the conclusion that it was anyone in Local-Spike who did it, lol.
Originally by: igraven LOL... Why would I evemail someone that's belittling me on the forums.
Doesnt hurt to ask.
Originally by: igraven Umm... Gab was bringing down POS mods to put on the Tower with his JF. I never ordered them or paid for them. But I guess that's just a corp donation and not essential mods for a corp POS. Or did you never get that memo?
Moon mining = Less Fuel Cost (simply put.) I never made a single drop of isk off those moons. And, If I didn't want the corp to use the POS I would of put a pass on the POS and restricted corp use.
My point was that the POS never had any real use by the corp and you should have seen that.
Originally by: igraven
That's amazing... Cause that's exactly how it happened. Do you have something to confess BJ? *Also, The garden's site is using a different CMS. **And to add to the killboard being deleted comment. The killboard was on a directory inside the local-spike folder - That's why the killboard was down. The automated script deleted everything inside the local-spike folder and left a virus where everything was.
No no no no no
Originally by: igraven
Killmail ***** much? It was a carrier lost to someone that just lost a carrier two days before that. It was starting to get pathetic, such as killing noobships and metagaming is.
What kind of reasoning is that? Someone had allready been on a carrier killmail a few days/weeks before so now they are satisfied with their killmails for a little while? Doesnt work like that.. You should know that, with beeing so willingly to shoot blues and all
They can do whatever the **** they want, you get them red before shooting them. Its sad how bitter you are.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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[705]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
So from what i know your site was hacked and the only evidence left behind was an image containing poop yes?
LOL!
P.S.
It would appear that Bj's corp has changed, have you decided to cut and run?
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.09.22 15:50:00 -
[706]
This thread is going places. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.22 16:24:00 -
[707]
Did you lot **** off out of our pocket yet?
been too busy to get online Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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BjornarGoesToSpace
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.22 16:36:00 -
[708]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 22/09/2010 16:37:27 Minmatar FW needed cannonfodder, i simply could not resist :) I did not cut and run, i still have stuff in Stain.
edit: Captain Merkin enable corp/alliance to show.
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.22 16:39:00 -
[709]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 22/09/2010 16:37:27 Minmatar FW needed cannonfodder, i simply could not resist :) I did not cut and run, i still have stuff in Stain.
edit: Captain Merkin enable corp/alliance to show.
erm how? what eh? Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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ChinChinneyChin
Caldari Eternal Ascension Holdings
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Posted - 2010.09.22 16:43:00 -
[710]
Originally by: Captain Merkin Did you lot **** off out of our pocket yet?
been too busy to get online
Well it seem seh we cyan be fren an reason, me wi come find yuh an we will siddown an bun 2 space weed and mek joke.
It seem you is not bombaclarts after all, and I is very excited fi work wid uno.
God Bless, God is de almighty king of kings and lord of lords, hail de king Sellasie his majesty.
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Rastaman Stan
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.22 16:46:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Captain Merkin Did you lot **** off out of our pocket yet?
been too busy to get online
Well it seem seh we cyan be fren an reason, me wi come find yuh an we will siddown an bun 2 space weed and mek joke.
It seem you is not bombaclarts after all, and I is very excited fi work wid uno.
God Bless, God is de almighty king of kings and lord of lords, hail de king Sellasie his majesty.
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ChinChinneyChin
Caldari Eternal Ascension Holdings
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Posted - 2010.09.22 16:52:00 -
[712]
Edited by: ChinChinneyChin on 22/09/2010 16:53:08 edit
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BjornarGoesToSpace
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.22 16:58:00 -
[713]
merkin: Left sidebar -> EVE Forums -> Settings -> Choose your normal forum-character and then tick "Show corporation" and "Show alliance".
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Rastaman Stan
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:00:00 -
[714]
Originally by: Rastaman Stan
Originally by: Captain Merkin Did you lot **** off out of our pocket yet?
been too busy to get online
Well it seem seh we cyan be fren an reason, me wi come find yuh an we will siddown an bun 2 space weed and mek joke.
It seem you is not bombaclarts after all, and I is very excited fi work wid uno.
God Bless, God is de almighty king of kings and lord of lords, hail de king Sellasie his majesty.
Me not long did ave a reasonin wid Ehhh-raannn, an him seh dat him is comfetebble wid uno terms an condishan.
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Captain Merkin
Minmatar Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:04:00 -
[715]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 22/09/2010 16:37:27 Minmatar FW needed cannonfodder, i simply could not resist :) I did not cut and run, i still have stuff in Stain.
edit: Captain Merkin enable corp/alliance to show.
Done, thanks... what am I supposed to be seeing here? Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981.
The Kamikaze pilot
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.22 17:19:00 -
[716]
Originally by: Captain Merkin Did you lot **** off out of our pocket yet?
been too busy to get online
Then you should get online and you will find out.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.22 22:04:00 -
[717]
Merkin: Now people can see that you are a bricksquad when you post. Makes it easier to identify who you are and where you are coming from:) "As for BJ he is not one of us." BUT WE HAD SUCH A NICE TALK :(
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.23 19:24:00 -
[718]
This venture has changed alot recently as it seems most of the Local-Spike guys will leave us alone. For a long time now myself and anyone allied with me was a target of a carfully planned campaign to ruin us.
We stayed strong and the situation has changed. AOV and dalv are no longer in a position to harrass us 23/7 and the same goes for local-spike. we have worked tirelessly over the past few days and have completed our logistics network we can now provide a Jumpclone and Haulage service from Sagain to the heart of Stain.
Jump Clones can be a difficult subject for any player as they either have to be in a corp that has an 8.0 standing with an NPC corp or find someone with a rorqual prepared to create a clone. Using our jump clone service will enable you to get a clone for 5 million, you can either come along to the Garden venture or fly the clone anywhere in the universe.
Setting a jumpclone in a rorqual is easy and risk free, all you will need to do is come to sagain and wait outside the station, I will then invite you to create a clone on the rorq and the process takes a few seconds. When all the clones are in the Rorq I will bring it back to Stain and generate them in a safe manner, you will appear in space in a system with a cloning station.
It really is time to move on from the Local-Spike and AOV ordeal and make this project a success as they are in no postion to hinder us in anyway. At this point I am very happy to completley ignore their attempts at trolling and push this venture forward in a calm and logical manner.
We have had alot of interest in our garden website http://www.eve-garden.net/ , some 400 different IP address hits which is very encouraging.
Thanks for your patience with all of this its taken us a long time to get in this position and I'm glad to be here. Lets make this alot of fun and have an epic adventure.
The "e-a public" channel is always open.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.23 23:50:00 -
[719]
Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 23/09/2010 23:52:35 Edited by: BjornarGoesToSpace on 23/09/2010 23:52:18 Is there enough jump clones for everyone :D ? Edit: Im so forum-bored, will pay for e-drama Edit 2: I lost 2 ships today
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.24 13:33:00 -
[720]
If, as you state, you have relocated your garden outside of our sphere of influence then your group has nothing to worry about from Local-Spike.
We do not, nor have we any inclination to camp or grief you 23/7. If you operate with our area and if you present yourself as a target of opportunity, considering you are red to Local-Spike we will engage. This has been S.O.P. since we arrived back in Stain.
We have noticed that you enjoy running up and down the pipe talking smack in local, then once you're caught and destroyed you post about Local-Spike camping & griefing.
To reiterate, if you have moved outside of our area, then your garden should be relatively fine, from Local-Spike at least. It would seem though that you have stepped on some more toes already though. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.24 16:25:00 -
[721]
Edited by: Aaron on 24/09/2010 16:39:45 Edited by: Aaron on 24/09/2010 16:39:32
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus
We have noticed that you enjoy running up and down the pipe talking smack in local, then once you're caught and destroyed you post about Local-Spike camping & griefing.
Incorrect, your obsessed griefing is evident on all of the threads. It is ONE OF your highest priorities to grief this thread and ensure our numbers stay low. Because of the nature of this venture you have been successful.
When there are a few of us located in uf local-spike and AOV make it a point to stay in uf 23/7 until the new guys I have brought down get annoyed and leave.
You disrespect me by reffering to the area as "our" area. So what does this mean? All the work i've put in counts for nothing?
Time will tell Gab.
When you joining AOV Gab?
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.24 19:25:00 -
[722]
Why are you deliberating choosing to instigate conflict? Is it a false sense of entitlement? Egomania? Do you still need a "Boogeyman" to rally against? Perhaps just being plain stubborn?
As i have stated multiple times previously. One or two combat pilots in allied fleets do not make a Combat Op against you.
Unfortunately you were operating squarely within AoV's area of Operations, which also overlaps Local-Spike's periphery. This is why you do not see us there in any great numbers. Our goal was not, and still is not to go out of our way to engage you.
As I've stated, we have monitored you running up an down the pipe, talking smack in local. If, as you've stated on this thread you've relocated to another area, why persist within our area? I've already stated we will not be chasing you all over New Eden. So stay in your new pocket. Be prosperous. Tend your garden. Have fun.
As for all this speculation about Local-Spike joining AoV, I can categorically state that Local-Spike will NOT be joining AoV. Local-Spike does consider AoV to be friends of ours as our long term strategic goals coincide. They are a excellent group of pilots and our tactics mesh quite effectively during any joint Operations. Again, to be absolutely clear, Local-Spike will remain a sovereign corp for the foreseeable future. Thank you for all the interest though. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.24 19:33:00 -
[723]
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus Why are you deliberating choosing to instigate conflict? Is it a false sense of entitlement? Egomania? Do you still need a "Boogeyman" to rally against? Perhaps just being plain stubborn?
As i have stated multiple times previously. One or two combat pilots in allied fleets do not make a Combat Op against you.
Unfortunately you were operating squarely within AoV's area of Operations, which also overlaps Local-Spike's periphery. This is why you do not see us there in any great numbers. Our goal was not, and still is not to go out of our way to engage you.
As I've stated, we have monitored you running up an down the pipe, talking smack in local. If, as you've stated on this thread you've relocated to another area, why persist within our area? I've already stated we will not be chasing you all over New Eden. So stay in your new pocket. Be prosperous. Tend your garden. Have fun.
As for all this speculation about Local-Spike joining AoV, I can categorically state that Local-Spike will NOT be joining AoV. Local-Spike does consider AoV to be friends of ours as our long term strategic goals coincide. They are a excellent group of pilots and our tactics mesh quite effectively during any joint Operations. Again, to be absolutely clear, Local-Spike will remain a sovereign corp for the foreseeable future. Thank you for all the interest though.
I'll be seeing you soon Gab.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.24 21:01:00 -
[724]
Originally by: Aaron
I'll be seeing you soon Gab.
I will ask you politely to take this test:
http://www.cylive.com/content/14623/Psychology_Test_to_Determine_Homicidal_Tendencies
Thank you, and good luck with your condition
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.09.24 21:38:00 -
[725]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace
Originally by: Aaron
I'll be seeing you soon Gab.
I will ask you politely to take this test:
http://www.cylive.com/content/14623/Psychology_Test_to_Determine_Homicidal_Tendencies
Thank you, and good luck with your condition
I lol'd -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
Typherian
Minmatar Legio Invicta
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Posted - 2010.09.25 00:11:00 -
[726]
Lawlerskates.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.25 13:08:00 -
[727]
igRaVeN said it as it is, you said that you would not be bothering with Aaron but you did. You know full well that making a number of pilots available at teh right time turned a losing position for AOV into a winning one. So what does that count as?
The conflict is instigated by your Corp, if you had stayed to your area and ignored us we would have ignored you, but you sent people to join in against us, you did go out of your way to engage us, simple as that...
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus Why are you deliberating choosing to instigate conflict? Is it a false sense of entitlement? Egomania? Do you still need a "Boogeyman" to rally against? Perhaps just being plain stubborn?
As i have stated multiple times previously. One or two combat pilots in allied fleets do not make a Combat Op against you.
Unfortunately you were operating squarely within AoV's area of Operations, which also overlaps Local-Spike's periphery. This is why you do not see us there in any great numbers. Our goal was not, and still is not to go out of our way to engage you.
As I've stated, we have monitored you running up an down the pipe, talking smack in local. If, as you've stated on this thread you've relocated to another area, why persist within our area? I've already stated we will not be chasing you all over New Eden. So stay in your new pocket. Be prosperous. Tend your garden. Have fun.
As for all this speculation about Local-Spike joining AoV, I can categorically state that Local-Spike will NOT be joining AoV. Local-Spike does consider AoV to be friends of ours as our long term strategic goals coincide. They are a excellent group of pilots and our tactics mesh quite effectively during any joint Operations. Again, to be absolutely clear, Local-Spike will remain a sovereign corp for the foreseeable future. Thank you for all the interest though.
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BjornarGoesToSpace
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.09.25 17:22:00 -
[728]
Did i dream posting about Aaron beeing a raging lunatic or did it get deleted :S
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Roosterton
Internet Spaceship Raiders
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Posted - 2010.09.25 18:02:00 -
[729]
Originally by: BjornarGoesToSpace Did i dream posting about Aaron beeing a raging lunatic or did it get deleted :S
Posting about something which got deleted is a great way to not get a second something deleted! -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
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CCP Jericho
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Posted - 2010.09.26 03:57:00 -
[730]
Posts discussing moderation have been removed. If any question regarding the moderation, please kindly file a petition to us.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.09.26 12:02:00 -
[731]
Originally by: CCP Jericho Posts discussing moderation have been removed. If any question regarding the moderation, please kindly file a petition to us.
You should have really locked the thread for discussing moderation ---
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Dagny Bronstein
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Posted - 2010.09.26 14:14:00 -
[732]
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Originally by: CCP Jericho Posts discussing moderation have been removed. If any question regarding the moderation, please kindly file a petition to us.
You should have really locked the thread for discussing moderation
I see what you did there^^
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.26 14:19:00 -
[733]
Right, I feel its time to change things up a little bit Ive been talking to a few guys and the result of the conversation was this, If we are to populate NPC 0.0 then we will have to know how to fight fire with fire.
Its difficult for us to come here in small numbers and survive, I myself can live around here and have no problem cloaking up all day and waiting for a window so I can rat or gank enemies. I feel this has alot to do with my real life for the past few years I've been fixing computers so I'm at my desk alot of the time. Not everybody lives this way so they can only devote a certan amount of time to play eve.
Ok, lets talk about the solution to this 0.0 population problem.
My proposal is this, we get on the Test server and practice tactics unil we have more than 30 numbers and are very confident with our defence and offence. I think we stand a good chance of being effective once we deploy in stain as our numbers will be comparable if not greater than the enemies who oppress us.
I feel this is a good oppertunity because you will learn all aspects of pvp without spending or losing a single isk. For those of you that dont know the Test server is cool place where every item/ship is 10 isk and you have all the skills in the game so you can fit any ship any module. There are a few places on the test server where we can go and have epic battles.
I've got a buddy on the test server that is more than happy to show you a very high standard of pvp, he has been playing for years and has megatons of battle experience. Im also going to be on there attempting to analyse lots of my enemies tactics and create some counter-actions.
I'm very excited about this new direction because we cant lose.
Because this is Invitation to 0.0 we will do this as we have always done it, feel free to come along regardless of corp/alliance I will accept you into our group. we will talk you through installing the test server on your pc and get you deployed on the Test server. We will show you some of the best fleet tactics eve online has ever seen and when we reach the numbers of 50 we will deploy at a location in Stain.
I think this is the way 0.0 population will happen I really cant see any other way of doing it.
I'd like to hear from the average level 4/5 mission runner and get your thoughts on this, all you will need to start off is an understanding of aggression mechanics and a change of scenario you will generally be doing the same thing in pvp that you do on your missions. Newer players will also be welcome.
So, lets just be patient and get on the test server. How does that sound?
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batloard
Amarr Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2010.09.26 14:49:00 -
[734]
Originally by: Aaron Right, I feel its time to change things up a little bit Ive been talking to a few guys and the result of the conversation was this, If we are to populate NPC 0.0 then we will have to know how to fight fire with fire.
Its difficult for us to come here in small numbers and survive, I myself can live around here and have no problem cloaking up all day and waiting for a window so I can rat or gank enemies. I feel this has alot to do with my real life for the past few years I've been fixing computers so I'm at my desk alot of the time. Not everybody lives this way so they can only devote a certan amount of time to play eve.
Ok, lets talk about the solution to this 0.0 population problem.
My proposal is this, we get on the Test server and practice tactics unil we have more than 30 numbers and are very confident with our defence and offence. I think we stand a good chance of being effective once we deploy in stain as our numbers will be comparable if not greater than the enemies who oppress us.
I feel this is a good oppertunity because you will learn all aspects of pvp without spending or losing a single isk. For those of you that dont know the Test server is cool place where every item/ship is 10 isk and you have all the skills in the game so you can fit any ship any module. There are a few places on the test server where we can go and have epic battles.
I've got a buddy on the test server that is more than happy to show you a very high standard of pvp, he has been playing for years and has megatons of battle experience. Im also going to be on there attempting to analyse lots of my enemies tactics and create some counter-actions.
I'm very excited about this new direction because we cant lose.
Because this is Invitation to 0.0 we will do this as we have always done it, feel free to come along regardless of corp/alliance I will accept you into our group. we will talk you through installing the test server on your pc and get you deployed on the Test server. We will show you some of the best fleet tactics eve online has ever seen and when we reach the numbers of 50 we will deploy at a location in Stain.
I think this is the way 0.0 population will happen I really cant see any other way of doing it.
I'd like to hear from the average level 4/5 mission runner and get your thoughts on this, all you will need to start off is an understanding of aggression mechanics and a change of scenario you will generally be doing the same thing in pvp that you do on your missions. Newer players will also be welcome.
So, lets just be patient and get on the test server. How does that sound?
10...20...30...whatever you field we will run over. You say tactics, yet you neglect to mention the fact that your hostiles field caps and supercaps with impunity. Your tactics are irrelevant when it comes to competing with any stain powerbloc.
Tactics/counters are for gang level engagements, whereas a regional level conquest requires the application of time, numbers, and assets. It is, if you havn't figured out yet, the assets that you are missing.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:08:00 -
[735]
Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 26/09/2010 15:10:10
Originally by: Aaron For those of you that dont know the Test server is cool place where every item/ship is 10 isk and you have all the skills in the game so you can fit any ship any module.
lol, looks like Aaron doesn't spend much time on sisi.
On the test server you have the skills your character had when the last mirror was made (usually a few weeks ago). You can train skills as usual and recently attendance on mass testing events have been rewarded with 2m SP which might allow you to try out some new stuff.
But you can by no means fit or fly any ship.
edit: batloard has a good point.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:32:00 -
[736]
Ah ok, I haven't been on the test server for a few years and I think I may have misheard what I was told sbout SiSi. I feel it is still an excellent place to practice pvp.
Batlord, yes you have a great point, and tbh I would not go out of my way to fight Brick Squad i'd rather be blue to you. Brick has done me some favours in the past that i wont forget.
Regarding your point of fighting against cap enemies, it is possible for a well organised fleet to escape a cap battle with minimum loss and perhaps do alot of damage while your escaping, such a high standard of gamplay can only be gained through practice which will be done on the Test server.
Also Batlord it's about making a start in NPC 0.0, a fleet of 30/50 level 4 mission runners that have trained well will be pretty hardass, a fleet of that standard shouldnt have too much problem holding down a system or two.
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Doriann Gray
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:44:00 -
[737]
Fly on the wall comment\question
Isn't the idea of inviting new players to 0.0 a common theme of low sec\0.0 corps to populate the ranks? After monitoring this concept since day one I would say that Aaron's marketing skills at bringing new pods to 0.0 are better then most I have seen over the last few years. If the concept is that Aaron's invitation to 0.0 brings potential future corps members down which makes Aaron's group a feeder corps, Why is that not being recognized or tapped into by the uber 0.0 corps? If Aaron's idea grows in 0.0 then I suggest all corps in that 0.0 region will grow membership equally. Seems like a win\win on the surface. I don't let emotion dictate business policy and Corporation future growth potential so whatever the petty bickering going on due to the Invitation to 0.0 doesn't really rate high on the overall scope.
If it were my corp in the region I would reach a private handshake out and reach a business agreement.
Nickle worth of BS DG
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:49:00 -
[738]
Edited by: Aaron on 26/09/2010 15:55:29
Originally by: Doriann Gray Fly on the wall comment\question
Isn't the idea of inviting new players to 0.0 a common theme of low sec\0.0 corps to populate the ranks? After monitoring this concept since day one I would say that Aaron's marketing skills at bringing new pods to 0.0 are better then most I have seen over the last few years. If the concept is that Aaron's invitation to 0.0 brings potential future corps members down which makes Aaron's group a feeder corps, Why is that not being recognized or tapped into by the uber 0.0 corps? If Aaron's idea grows in 0.0 then I suggest all corps in that 0.0 region will grow membership equally. Seems like a win\win on the surface. I don't let emotion dictate business policy and Corporation future growth potential so whatever the petty bickering going on due to the Invitation to 0.0 doesn't really rate high on the overall scope.
If it were my corp in the region I would reach a private handshake out and reach a business agreement.
Nickle worth of BS DG
/me nods head evenly
post delivers.
Edit: I think a few Uber alliances are watching this. I guess they just waiting for us to get our **** together and show them what we're made of.
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2010.09.26 15:53:00 -
[739]
30-50 pilots, even if they're the best PvPers in EVE, will still fall if your enemy drops a supercap or three on your heads. What will you do if they come knocking at your door and you know this will happen? Will you not fight because of it? Also, they can titan bridge 300 people on you if they wanted. 50 pilots would not stand up to that.
If you want to call a place your own in 0.0, you need numbers and assets to defend that space. Period. On another note, I also have an annoying sig. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:02:00 -
[740]
Originally by: Agent Known 30-50 pilots, even if they're the best PvPers in EVE, will still fall if your enemy drops a supercap or three on your heads. What will you do if they come knocking at your door and you know this will happen? Will you not fight because of it? Also, they can titan bridge 300 people on you if they wanted. 50 pilots would not stand up to that.
If you want to call a place your own in 0.0, you need numbers and assets to defend that space. Period.
Yes you have a very good point. that would be hard to defend against, but not impossible.
Oh, and you guys going blue with -A- , you do realise that they are all fast asleep when you are active right? and that I already know who their cap pilots are?
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Yarisk
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:15:00 -
[741]
Edited by: Yarisk on 26/09/2010 16:19:29
Originally by: Doriann Gray After monitoring this concept since day one I would say that Aaron's marketing skills at bringing new pods to 0.0 are better then most I have seen over the last few years.
rofl
Aaron's marketing skills come down to two factors: him having a permanent recruitment advert on the frontpage of GD and some people not realizing that what Aaron and Dracvlad describe has the quality of a daydream and not much relation to reality. If you go by this thread you would expect a couple dozen of experienced pilots who struggle on a daily basis against old enemies and the evil overlords of Stain. What you get in a reality is a couple of displaced pilots and a lot of empty promises.
edit - take away this thread and the surrounding drama and Aaron's marketing talent will suddenly be gone. Even with this thread he has barealy been able to keep his membership on a constant level (for how long is this Hub zero thing going on? but now everything will of course change and he will have 30-50 pilots in the same timezone practising advanced tactics on the test server really soon)
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dracvlad on 26/09/2010 16:24:20 Who are you, never heard of you before, never seen you in Stain, never talked to you... More hot air from someone who has is either on the side of our enemies or has never been here and wants to troll this thread.
Edit: One of our enemies...
Originally by: Yarisk Edited by: Yarisk on 26/09/2010 16:16:24
Originally by: Doriann Gray After monitoring this concept since day one I would say that Aaron's marketing skills at bringing new pods to 0.0 are better then most I have seen over the last few years.
rofl
Aaron's marketing skills come down to two factors: him having a permanent recruitment advert on the frontpage of GD and some people not realizing that what Aaron and Dracvlad describe has the quality of a daydream and not much relation to reality. If you go by this thread you would expect a couple dozen of experienced pilots who struggle on a daily basis against old enemies and the evil overlords of Stain. What you get in a reality is a couple of displaced pilots and a lot of empty promises.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Yarisk Edited by: Yarisk on 26/09/2010 16:16:24
Originally by: Doriann Gray After monitoring this concept since day one I would say that Aaron's marketing skills at bringing new pods to 0.0 are better then most I have seen over the last few years.
rofl
Aaron's marketing skills come down to two factors: him having a permanent recruitment advert on the frontpage of GD and some people not realizing that what Aaron and Dracvlad describe has the quality of a daydream and not much relation to reality. If you go by this thread you would expect a couple dozen of experienced pilots who struggle on a daily basis against old enemies and the evil overlords of Stain. What you get in a reality is a couple of displaced pilots and a lot of empty promises.
I'm happy to admit this has not gone as we would have liked, this is why im putting most of my focus on the test server which will result in prospective gardeners actually seeing pvp without losing a bean of isk. Once this is achieved we will be alot more confident in achieving a higher and more comfortable level of 0.0 population.
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.09.26 16:59:00 -
[744]
Hihi, yeah go rat in uf-kkh on the testserver.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.26 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Hihi, yeah go rat in uf-kkh on the testserver.
If that is what you want to believe then continue to do so...
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Doriann Gray
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Posted - 2010.09.26 17:46:00 -
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I disagree, the message wrapped in the invitation to 0.0 was very good marketing from the start, much more interesting then a majority of the BS recruitment dribble that I see everyday. But apparently the inhabs of Stain missed IMO an opportunity to benefit from the marketing campaign, I presume this is a "Can't see the forest because of the tree's in the way" failure. Aaron represents the little guy in this saga, fighting the corporate bully's of 0.0, and every time someone disparages the invitation to 0.0 project, new players relate to what Aaron and his group are up against, the Evil Corporations of Stain region who spend countless hours a day beating up on the new guys who just want to be apart of 0.0 and have fun. That is the marketing message I recognize beyond the initial Inv to 0.0.
Now it could be that one or several of the pods whom survive the flight to Stain could be your next corp mate.
All publicity is good publicity, disparaging comments on the forum feed the storyline. Its all good!
Enjoy the game. DG
Originally by: Yarisk Edited by: Yarisk on 26/09/2010 16:19:29
Originally by: Doriann Gray After monitoring this concept since day one I would say that Aaron's marketing skills at bringing new pods to 0.0 are better then most I have seen over the last few years.
rofl
Aaron's marketing skills come down to two factors: him having a permanent recruitment advert on the frontpage of GD and some people not realizing that what Aaron and Dracvlad describe has the quality of a daydream and not much relation to reality. If you go by this thread you would expect a couple dozen of experienced pilots who struggle on a daily basis against old enemies and the evil overlords of Stain. What you get in a reality is a couple of displaced pilots and a lot of empty promises.
edit - take away this thread and the surrounding drama and Aaron's marketing talent will suddenly be gone. Even with this thread he has barealy been able to keep his membership on a constant level (for how long is this Hub zero thing going on? but now everything will of course change and he will have 30-50 pilots in the same timezone practising advanced tactics on the test server really soon)
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.09.26 17:53:00 -
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So as there's no RMT mafia on the Test Server, it proves a good training ground.
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2010.09.26 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Doriann Gray I disagree, the message wrapped in the invitation to 0.0 was very good marketing from the start, much more interesting then a majority of the BS recruitment dribble that I see everyday. But apparently the inhabs of Stain missed IMO an opportunity to benefit from the marketing campaign, I presume this is a "Can't see the forest because of the tree's in the way" failure. Aaron represents the little guy in this saga, fighting the corporate bully's of 0.0, and every time someone disparages the invitation to 0.0 project, new players relate to what Aaron and his group are up against, the Evil Corporations of Stain region who spend countless hours a day beating up on the new guys who just want to be apart of 0.0 and have fun. That is the marketing message I recognize beyond the initial Inv to 0.0.
Now it could be that one or several of the pods whom survive the flight to Stain could be your next corp mate.
All publicity is good publicity, disparaging comments on the forum feed the storyline. Its all good!
Enjoy the game. DG
Originally by: Yarisk Edited by: Yarisk on 26/09/2010 16:19:29
Originally by: Doriann Gray After monitoring this concept since day one I would say that Aaron's marketing skills at bringing new pods to 0.0 are better then most I have seen over the last few years.
rofl
Aaron's marketing skills come down to two factors: him having a permanent recruitment advert on the frontpage of GD and some people not realizing that what Aaron and Dracvlad describe has the quality of a daydream and not much relation to reality. If you go by this thread you would expect a couple dozen of experienced pilots who struggle on a daily basis against old enemies and the evil overlords of Stain. What you get in a reality is a couple of displaced pilots and a lot of empty promises.
edit - take away this thread and the surrounding drama and Aaron's marketing talent will suddenly be gone. Even with this thread he has barealy been able to keep his membership on a constant level (for how long is this Hub zero thing going on? but now everything will of course change and he will have 30-50 pilots in the same timezone practising advanced tactics on the test server really soon)
Just out of interest, are you Dracvlad's alt? I ask only because you and he share the fairly unusual habit of quotin' text underneath your main point -----------------------------------------------
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Doriann Gray
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Posted - 2010.09.26 22:40:00 -
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No... Not sure who or what Dracvlad represents or why it is important? Leaving the quote below is just lazy posting "Path of least resistance" I am not a member of the Garden, just a follower of the thread with way to much free time apparently! Those guys probably are sick of my replies by now! "Apology"
Enjoy! DG
Just out of interest, are you Dracvlad's alt? I ask only because you and he share the fairly unusual habit of quotin' text underneath your main point
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.27 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gorki Andropov Just out of interest, are you Dracvlad's alt? I ask only because you and he share the fairly unusual habit of quotin' text underneath your main point
No he is not my alt, the reason I do that is that after a certain amount of text my Message box no longer shows what I type as it keeps jumping up, so I tend to reply above the text of others if there is a large amount, in this case I reduced the text so I could reply underneath.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.27 17:45:00 -
[751]
I've setup my testserver installation and am eagarly waiting for it to come online, it will be great to get some pvp in and practice tactics.
The process for creating the test server installation takes about 20 minutes, information on how to install the test server can be found here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Test_server
For those of you that felt the thread was tl:dr;
- We plan to populate npc 0.0 with guys from hisec and make it reasonably safe for people to come down and dwell
- Build an economy in npc 0.0
- Build a superior pvp force using the test server as our training camp. when we have numbers of 30/50 we deploy at a location in stain 0.0.
So, if theres any cool guys out there looking for an adventure i'd really appreciate your attendance on the test server, I think you will really like my tactics and you will see that pvp really isnt hard.
Depending on how many guys join up I estimate it will be a month before we train up and initially deploy in Stain. We have the use of a Rorqual, Jump Frieghter, and Carriers so moving your clone and stuff will not be a problem. If you would like to get your clone out there now come into "e-a public" and arrange it.
Lets do this guys and make it an epic fun filled adventure.
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Weight What
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dracvlad No he is not my alt
Exactly what an alt would say!
joking, carry on -----------------------------------------------
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:28:00 -
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Hey, there is a system on the test server where everyone goes to pvp, its FD-MLJ. we will base ourselves around there. Look forward to seeing you.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.09.27 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron So, if theres any cool guys out there
HOLD UP
I, too, am a "neat guy". Can I join? ---
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.28 12:32:00 -
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Empire Hisec Guys,
Hey, could we get a little feedback from you guys? I know there are lots of you who would like to take part in this venture. If you stay silent It will be difficult for us to break into 0.0.
We're going to have to forget all the bad seeds Local-Spike and AOV have sewn and have a fresh clean start. I've accepted Local-Spike/AOV do not like me and they never want to see this be a success, It's definatley time to completley ignore these guys and get on with the venture.
By comming on the test server you will be able to hone your pvp skills without losing any isk. This will increase your confidence and help you to become a good pvp'er.
So hisec guys if you could let us know what u need to make you more comfortable, or if you have any concerns or questions dont hesitate to ask them here or in e-a public channel.
We cannot do this without you.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.28 13:09:00 -
[756]
Just thought I'd drop this in here considering its relevance:
The Jita project |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.28 13:27:00 -
[757]
Originally by: Buck Marui Just thought I'd drop this in here considering its relevance:
The Jita project
An interesting read.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.28 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 28/09/2010 16:23:11 Ok, i've set up base in ORVOLLE which is a couple of jumps from FD-MLJ.
I'm planning to test all of my tactics to destruction and will see how successful we are against the guys dwelling here . Man this is really cool, all my buddies are excited about doing pvp without having to worry about anything
Once on the testserver please join my corp and pod kill yourselvs to the ORVOLLE office.
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Pesky LaRue
The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.09.28 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 28/09/2010 12:49:10 Empire Hisec Guys,
Hey, could we get a little feedback from you guys? I know there are lots of you who would like to take part in this venture. If you stay silent It will be difficult for us to break into 0.0.
for what it's worth, I think this is a commendable idea and have been reading this thread for a while now hoping it works out for you. However, if you think many high-sec empire runners are going to be reading this flamefest at page 25, let alone respond, you might be disappointed.
best of luck. .
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.09.28 17:25:00 -
[760]
I would love to join, but I have a feeling you're just going to get camped into oblivion for lulz.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.09.28 19:47:00 -
[761]
Edited by: Gabriel Angelus on 28/09/2010 19:51:02 Considering the op has stated he has relocated his garden outside of Local-Spike's area of operation. Local-Spike will not be running any combat ops to camp his new location.
p.s.- Local-Spike still does not respect your "gangsta" though. edit for the P.S. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.28 19:57:00 -
[762]
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus Edited by: Gabriel Angelus on 28/09/2010 19:51:02 Considering the op has stated he has relocated his garden outside of Local-Spike's area of operation. Local-Spike will not be running any combat ops to camp his new location.
p.s.- Local-Spike still does not respect your "gangsta" though. edit for the P.S.
To be honest with you everything has been put on hold and the test server is our highest priority. we're not concerned with where we are going to dwell at the moment. It's all going to be about building our confidence and pvp tactics.
It's been a hard slog and I believe this is where things change.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
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Posted - 2010.09.28 23:25:00 -
[763]
I welcome Errin's epiphany that he and his followers belong exclusively on the test server. All hail Emperor Errin, lord and commander of the test server.
Really this thread has been the most boring of the 3. Maybe there will be more intrigue on SiSi.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.28 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson I welcome Errin's epiphany that he and his followers belong exclusively on the test server. All hail Emperor Errin, lord and commander of the test server.
Really this thread has been the most boring of the 3. Maybe there will be more intrigue on SiSi.
lol, hey man how u doin
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Esyavore Lando
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Posted - 2010.09.29 10:56:00 -
[765]
/me sits at Aarons table buying him a barrel of rum ;)
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.29 13:47:00 -
[766]
Quote: I'm planning to test all of my tactics to destruction and will see how successful we are against the guys dwelling here .
I hope you have the consent of "the guys dwelling here" You can't just hop on to the test server and blow people up y'know. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.29 14:14:00 -
[767]
Originally by: Buck Marui
Quote: I'm planning to test all of my tactics to destruction and will see how successful we are against the guys dwelling here .
I hope you have the consent of "the guys dwelling here" You can't just hop on to the test server and blow people up y'know.
Yes so ive heard. If we cant find many targets we will split our group into 2 fleets and play out some scenarios.
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.29 14:45:00 -
[768]
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Buck Marui
Quote: I'm planning to test all of my tactics to destruction and will see how successful we are against the guys dwelling here .
I hope you have the consent of "the guys dwelling here" You can't just hop on to the test server and blow people up y'know.
Yes so ive heard. If we cant find many targets we will split our group into 2 fleets and play out some scenarios.
That would be the most logical way to do this considering any targets you do find will most likely be also testing and therefore far from an accurate representation of the *horrors you will face on Tranquility.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.29 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Buck Marui
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Buck Marui
Quote: I'm planning to test all of my tactics to destruction and will see how successful we are against the guys dwelling here .
I hope you have the consent of "the guys dwelling here" You can't just hop on to the test server and blow people up y'know.
Yes so ive heard. If we cant find many targets we will split our group into 2 fleets and play out some scenarios.
That would be the most logical way to do this considering any targets you do find will most likely be also testing and therefore far from an accurate representation of the *horrors you will face on Tranquility.
*possible overdramatisation
If theres a group of guys out there that want to practice pvp were happy to be testserver compettitors for you. If anyone wants to become a good pvper I think this is the way to do it.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.29 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 29/09/2010 17:33:20 Since this thread is still not dieingà And since it seems to be gathering so much attention...
Allow Me To Shed Some Light (And Sanity) To This Cluster Thread-- And Do Some Shameless Recruiting While I'm At It
PWNED Factor (and our many Allies) are beginning a long term, multi-stage process that will eventually lead to a significant presence in Stain in a time of our choosing. We do not want to ôTake Stainö nor do we want Blue Standings with anyone. Were not going there to Carebear ***** ISK eitherà
We are a dedicated PVP Training establishment, we take people with no PVP experience and we spend ample amounts of time with each and every pilot in our organization ( Genuine 1 on 1 Training and Attention) until they are competent and capable PVP pilots who can function on their own.
And our one and only specialization is solo and small gang warfare and tactics. [/shameless recruiting mode off]
That Being Said:
Stain will become our new training ground for 0.0 PVP and Black Ops Tactics. The big boys in the region (who I respect) like Brick and AAA will not give TWO damns about our presence thereà But to you want-to-be Corporations/Alliances stinking up this thread with fail banter, in due course, life is going to change for you quite a bit.
We will be out there practicing 15-30 man Drake Army / NanoÆd gang tactics, with Logi and ECM Support, in order to prepare our people for 0.0 raids into Sovereign space. We will be loging in right after downtime in Cloaky ships, and hunting all your ISK *****s looking for officers spawns. And if you manage to undock more capital ships then we feel like bothering with (I'd have to see this to believe it), we will simply JC back to Low Sec until there are less of you active because blob warfare sucks and I canÆt be arsed to deal with it.
SC hot drops do not concern me, you get that in Low Sec. POS warfare does not concern me, we will have none to speak of. Corporate Theft does not concern me, ATM we have 2K cap 800's in our corp hanger. Have fun.
And if given the choice between befriending someone like Aaron, with his respectful (though somewhat delusional) grand vision for the little guy living inside of Empire, and the fail banter of you fat and lazy PVPÆers with your own, equally delusions fantasies of ôSelf-important Internet Awesomenessö à well, I think we will just shoot AaronÆs enemies in the face and see where the chips fall.
Personally, I am looking forward to seeing how well you do VS X-Carebears who roam low sec daily and run Training fleets twice a week, instead of just solo noobs ratting by themselves . And yea, I know this looks like your typical "We will be there soon (TM)" threat post, but I am certain that at least some of you saw me setting up offices there yesterday.
From Low Sec With Love,
--Eternum
Now Thread Die Already...
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.30 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 30/09/2010 00:21:24 I feel I need to explain a few things. I'd like to make clear that building a military school on the testserver is not a sign of weakness. It is in fact a sign of intelligence and the fact that I am announcing it here is just part of the venture. I've always seen any venture I do like a reality show.
Eve is a very technical game and theres alot of micro management going on. I am a fleet commander and ive developed the ability to see the bigger picture in any engagement.
The testserver is really the best place for us to teach other inexperienced guys. We will do general exersises such as threat awareness, ship capabillity, and fleet composure. The test server really is a great place to hone skills.
Think of it like this, In the film Matrix Morpheus opened neo's mind by using a "testserver" that could duplicate actual conditions in the Matrix. It wasnt about just telling Neo to go into the Matrix and fight the oppressors without doing any training. Some thought had to be put into it.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.30 11:24:00 -
[772]
The way you worded it indicates that you were running ops to camp his previous location, you denied running ops earlier in this thread, words can often come back and bite you in the rear...
Originally by: Gabriel Angelus Edited by: Gabriel Angelus on 28/09/2010 19:51:02 Considering the op has stated he has relocated his garden outside of Local-Spike's area of operation. Local-Spike will not be running any combat ops to camp his new location.
p.s.- Local-Spike still does not respect your "gangsta" though. edit for the P.S.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.30 11:43:00 -
[773]
In regards to this...
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Really this thread has been the most boring of the 3. Maybe there will be more intrigue on SiSi.
Progress can often be a boring and silent thing...
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Dalv Fliteo
Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2010.09.30 14:09:00 -
[774]
Hahahahaaaa Eternum.
what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger!
Look at Aaron how strong he has become!
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.30 16:04:00 -
[775]
Edited by: Aaron on 30/09/2010 16:05:30 Edited by: Aaron on 30/09/2010 16:05:11
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Really this thread has been the most boring of the 3. Maybe there will be more intrigue on SiSi.
Ok, i'll report some intrigue. Don't shoot the messenger.
Aov created a character called "Aarons mom" and started saying some pretty horrible stuff in local, they have used this tactic on numerous occasions. An argument occured in local and I pettitioned claiming that the character "aarons mom" was only created to get me to respond so they can pettition me. this is exactly how it played out.
Logicfx, Dalv, you gotta come better than this coz your momma jokes was somthing we all did 17 years ago most guys parents are most likley elderly and this can be quite a sensitive subject for some. So it is very important that you tread carfully.
Direct your insults at the actual eve player and not their family as this is how grown adults do things.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite
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Posted - 2010.09.30 17:50:00 -
[776]
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 30/09/2010 17:51:59
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Hahahahaaaa Eternum.
what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger!
Look at Aaron how strong he has become!
Well TBH Honest Dalv, I have a bit more cooking atm then the amusing show in UF
Its simple really, AOV are the ones in the area who will actually fight and Aaron wants to help with logistics. Since we will be using Stain as a training ground for BC/Hac gangs and 0.0 tactics, the logical choice is accept Aaron's logistical support (and offer a little bit of guidance while I'm at it) and Pew Pew with the locals that have a desire to "Hold the pocket"
If all goes well, we will be chatting in Stain local sooner rather then later. Also, AOV's supercapital is invited to the party, assuming that you guys havn't sold it yet.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.09.30 17:52:00 -
[777]
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 30/09/2010 17:51:59
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Hahahahaaaa Eternum.
what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger!
Look at Aaron how strong he has become!
Well TBH Honest Dalv, I have a bit more cooking atm then the amusing show in UF
Its simple really, AOV are the ones in the area who will actually fight and Aaron wants to help with logistics. Since we will be using Stain as a training ground for BC/Hac gangs and 0.0 tactics, the logical choice is accept Aaron's logistical support (and offer a little bit of guidance while I'm at it) and Pew Pew with the locals that have a desire to "Hold the pocket"
If all goes well, we will be chatting in Stain local sooner rather then later. Also, AOV's supercapital is invited to the party, assuming that you guys havn't sold it yet.
Let the fun begin.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.09.30 17:53:00 -
[778]
I think you will find that the Corp with the Super Capital has left AOV...
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 30/09/2010 17:51:59
Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Hahahahaaaa Eternum.
what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger!
Look at Aaron how strong he has become!
Well TBH Honest Dalv, I have a bit more cooking atm then the amusing show in UF
Its simple really, AOV are the ones in the area who will actually fight and Aaron wants to help with logistics. Since we will be using Stain as a training ground for BC/Hac gangs and 0.0 tactics, the logical choice is accept Aaron's logistical support (and offer a little bit of guidance while I'm at it) and Pew Pew with the locals that have a desire to "Hold the pocket"
If all goes well, we will be chatting in Stain local sooner rather then later. Also, AOV's supercapital is invited to the party, assuming that you guys havn't sold it yet.
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Mustafa Ataturk
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:19:00 -
[779]
Originally by: Aaron Direct your insults at the actual eve player and not their family as this is how grown adults do things.
No offense intended against Aaron, but this is one of the funniest "eve culture" statements I have ever read!
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.10.01 17:46:00 -
[780]
Aaron, if you are serious about getting mission runners and others to assist/train on Sisi you should just go from there. Start a new thread about the 'end goal' but keep the primary focus on the PVP training whatever you want to call it for 'carebears' non PVP pilots to do on Sisi, put up a schedule like CCP did/does for Mass testing. Have planned dates either with the time or a window of times then update the time/date as it draws closer. Maybe I'm wrong and you are getting evemail and convos from people interested in getting involved but for more casual people it might prove useful to know when something is happening to see if they can get involved, especially if they aren't sure if the plan is something they want to do. Even if all of those who participate on Sisi don't end up taking the invitation on Tranquility, the goal should be to expose people to PVP and assist them in developing the skills needed to be successful in 0.0 from there either people are going to be with you or not. Updating this thread continually when AFAIK the plan is in a 'holding pattern' doesn't do much IMO for the 'cause'. -------------------------------------------------------------- Fanboys would make great cult members. |
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.02 01:26:00 -
[781]
Originally by: Bhattran Aaron, if you are serious about getting mission runners and others to assist/train on Sisi you should just go from there. Start a new thread about the 'end goal' but keep the primary focus on the PVP training whatever you want to call it for 'carebears' non PVP pilots to do on Sisi, put up a schedule like CCP did/does for Mass testing. Have planned dates either with the time or a window of times then update the time/date as it draws closer. Maybe I'm wrong and you are getting evemail and convos from people interested in getting involved but for more casual people it might prove useful to know when something is happening to see if they can get involved, especially if they aren't sure if the plan is something they want to do. Even if all of those who participate on Sisi don't end up taking the invitation on Tranquility, the goal should be to expose people to PVP and assist them in developing the skills needed to be successful in 0.0 from there either people are going to be with you or not. Updating this thread continually when AFAIK the plan is in a 'holding pattern' doesn't do much IMO for the 'cause'.
Yes great suggestion buddy, we've got to organise and market this venture well in order for it to be a success. Im not sure if CCP will allow me to start a new thread, but it wouldnt hurt to enquire about it.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.02 01:33:00 -
[782]
All that wanders is not lost...
I am docked in FD-MLJ on SISI.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.02 19:40:00 -
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Dalv, Logicfx, and AOV, your a sad bunch of bastards, your obbsessed with me and your a bunch of loosers with nothing going on in your real lives.
It appears my earlier post fell upon deaf ears. your all a bunch of ******s that take the game far too seriously,
Go **** yourselves and I hope you have some very bad luck in your real lives.
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 30/09/2010 16:05:30 Edited by: Aaron on 30/09/2010 16:05:11
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Really this thread has been the most boring of the 3. Maybe there will be more intrigue on SiSi.
Ok, i'll report some intrigue. Don't shoot the messenger.
Aov created a character called "Aarons mom" and started saying some pretty horrible stuff in local, they have used this tactic on numerous occasions. An argument occured in local and I pettitioned claiming that the character "aarons mom" was only created to get me to respond so they can pettition me. this is exactly how it played out.
Logicfx, Dalv, you gotta come better than this coz your momma jokes was somthing we all did 17 years ago most guys parents are most likley elderly and this can be quite a sensitive subject for some. So it is very important that you tread carfully.
Direct your insults at the actual eve player and not their family as this is how grown adults do things.
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Dreldor
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.10.02 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Dalv, Logicfx, and AOV, your a sad bunch of bastards, your obbsessed with me and your a bunch of loosers with nothing going on in your real lives.
It appears my earlier post fell upon deaf ears. your all a bunch of ******s that take the game far too seriously,
Go **** yourselves and I hope you have some very bad luck in your real lives.
Aaron, you made this thread about you, and not about getting pilots from High-Sec to NPC 0.0. This is why so much negativity has been aimed your way.
Throwing insults at your detractors will not stop this project from failing.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:01:00 -
[785]
Originally by: Aaron Direct your insults at the actual eve player and not their family as this is how grown adults do things.
Originally by: Aaron Go **** yourselves and I hope you have some very bad luck in your real lives.
------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:19:00 -
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Gabriel and Dreldor. your not very smart and you're bitter people which is reflected in game.
At least I can say that I have limits. There comes a point when I let go of disputes in real life and with people I've met in online. Remember it was you guys that made the concious decision to stay over a year and feed your desire for vendetta, not me. I have never pursued you to the extent you have.
Gab, the truth is no one cares for your opinion anymore and the same goes for you dreldor. I offered you both my hand plenty of times and you left me hanging.
I do not care for your jealous feelings you have of me.
If you really cant see that harrassing and stalking someone in an online gameworld is pretty ****ing sad gab and dreldor then god help you.
Now be the people you say you are completley ignore me and anything im involved in and get a ****ing life.
I've made myself very clear here so take a hint and move the hell on.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 02/10/2010 22:30:52 a year and half later and your still on the same **** here Gab, thats sad man, real sad. go away you're starting to creep me out.
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Dreldor
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:43:00 -
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I have tried to make my posts constructive Aaron, but you have your head so far up your arse that you can't see that.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.02 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dreldor I have tried to make my posts constructive Aaron, but you have your head so far up your arse that you can't see that.
Those that know me well and have good judgement know this to be false. Nice try though Dreldor. Still doesn't change the fact Local-Spike, Aov, are stalkers who are obbsessed with me. Its been confirmed by your own god damn posts in all my threads and the fact you're still here talking ****.
I've got no problem with people insulting me or my playstyle im happy to ignore that. but to use info youve gained through knowing me as a friend to insult my mother is wrong.
Your as ignorant as they come anyway dreldor.
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Dreldor
Local-Spike
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Posted - 2010.10.02 23:12:00 -
[790]
Originally by: Aaron Remember it was you guys that made the concious decision to stay over a year and feed your desire for vendetta, not me. I have never pursued you to the extent you have.
We have no interest in you. We have not been pursuing you, and we don't camp you. We are doing our own thing in our own system. You mean nothing to us. Get over yourself.
We mostly post here when you say something to insult us or our friends, but some of us post in this silly thread just for giggles.
Originally by: Aaron I do not care for your jealous feelings you have of me.
What drugs are you on man? We have done exactly what your project has been failing to do for years. You are a nutjob of epic proportions - why would we be jealous of you?
Originally by: Aaron If you really cant see that harrassing and stalking someone in an online gameworld is pretty ****ing sad gab and dreldor then god help you.
Your ego is so huge that you see a reply to your thread as someone stalking you. This thread is *supposed* to be a discussion on the pros and cons of setting up in NPC 0.0 but you make everything personal.
TL;DR suck my plums Aaron.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.02 23:22:00 -
[791]
Edited by: Aaron on 02/10/2010 23:23:22
Originally by: Dreldor
Originally by: Aaron Remember it was you guys that made the concious decision to stay over a year and feed your desire for vendetta, not me. I have never pursued you to the extent you have.
We have no interest in you. We have not been pursuing you, and we don't camp you. We are doing our own thing in our own system. You mean nothing to us. Get over yourself.
We mostly post here when you say something to insult us or our friends, but some of us post in this silly thread just for giggles.
Originally by: Aaron I do not care for your jealous feelings you have of me.
What drugs are you on man? We have done exactly what your project has been failing to do for years. You are a nutjob of epic proportions - why would we be jealous of you?
Originally by: Aaron If you really cant see that harrassing and stalking someone in an online gameworld is pretty ****ing sad gab and dreldor then god help you.
Your ego is so huge that you see a reply to your thread as someone stalking you. This thread is *supposed* to be a discussion on the pros and cons of setting up in NPC 0.0 but you make everything personal.
TL;DR suck my plums Aaron.
Yeah yeah yeah, heard it all before dreldor, no one gives a damn mate thats what you fail to see.
Even when one of your very own ex corp mates takes the time out of his busy schedule to type 3 longass pages of texts that blatently show local-spike were out to harrass me along with AOV, you still even dare to insult our inteligence and tell us otherwise????
Admit it man you guys are obbsessed stalkers.
I'm more annoyed that you guys have taken this so far than this venture not working out. Wake up dreldor this is a game where people have fun and healthy competition, not bitter vendettas that carry on 23/7 and last your whole life.
chill the **** out man.
edit: snipe
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Erin Eraser
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Posted - 2010.10.02 23:46:00 -
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Does someone have a clip of one of these people talking on vent. I have a feeling one of them has a really gay voice. Something has to be funny in one of their voices I can sense this sort of thing and I'll pay 10m to hear a good clip.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.02 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Erin Eraser Does someone have a clip of one of these people talking on vent. I have a feeling one of them has a really gay voice. Something has to be funny in one of their voices I can sense this sort of thing and I'll pay 10m to hear a good clip.
Dreldor sounds Gay lol
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.10.03 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 03/10/2010 02:08:21
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Erin Eraser Does someone have a clip of one of these people talking on vent. I have a feeling one of them has a really gay voice. Something has to be funny in one of their voices I can sense this sort of thing and I'll pay 10m to hear a good clip.
Dreldor sounds Gay lol
Like this?
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Tarmac Jack
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Posted - 2010.10.03 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Erin Eraser Does someone have a clip of one of these people talking on vent. I have a feeling one of them has a really gay voice. Something has to be funny in one of their voices I can sense this sort of thing and I'll pay 10m to hear a good clip.
haha yea actually, this is a good one where me and some corpies caught this guy logicfx at a gate camp. heres the recording of what we made him do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COsV-okJX5w
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.10.03 12:33:00 -
[796]
The venture cannot continue its a shame, a real shame.
Again it has been AOV and Local Spike standing in my way. The truth is they went out of their way stop me.
I went into the local-spike public channel and had it out with them. I got the impression that they still wanted my input on something. pride wouldn't let me accept their proposal.
I think they wanted to move onto the next level where we would have had hundreds if not over a thousand guys working with us and they needed my input to achieve this.
Maybe if I hadn't spent most of my time responding to them, and maybe if they hadnt spent most of their time harrassing me somthing could have worked.
It's all down to ego I think, when I was in their channel on voice there was alot of swearing and cursing, I felt they were on a crusade to prove a point and they wernt prepared to move on. I dont think we can ever settle our differences it's gone too far.
I'm not leaving eve, but I am going to take a step back. I'm planning to work with a few other guys on something which I think will be very cool. Hopfully we will get to build something for the hi-sec guys to get involved in and someday we will get this venture to work. It might be that I have to do somthing else for a long while then come back to this when local-spike and AOV have moved on.
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