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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.11.17 00:33:00 - [361] Originally by: Jack' Sparrow Edited by: Jack'' Sparrow on 16/11/2010 22:52:08 Originally by: Damion Rayne Originally by: Jack' Sparrow Edited by: Jack'' Sparrow on 15/11/2010 23:31:28 From reading the reply I got to my last post I have to say I am not very happy that you cant keep your original portrait. We pay good money to play Eve and should have the right to keep our own original character portraits and have a walking in stations character as well but so it doesn't affect the portrait. So simple yet they didn't think of it. I hope CCP read this reply as well. Baffled but cheers I guess Jack Seriously, "I pay good money" so does everyone else mate, get over yourself. I'm really very sick of all the moaning here, you're not gona get to keep your original photo people..defeats the whole damn purpose of a new char-gen. Stop asking for sliders, that defeats the purpose of "Sculpting". Seriously if you can't handle this, you need to take a good solid look at other MMO's. Now onward and upward to "feedback" instead of "***/moan/whine". Still having distinct issues with female characters showing up at all, I've tried changing all gfx settings but nothing seems to work at the moment. Damion you obviously can't read very well my friend. you state I put 'I Pay Good Money' Try reading again and read twice in future before replying. I'm not going to go on about this thing of portraits as CCP will do what they want anyway and I'm just asking for a one way ticket to forum ban to, but seriously Damion, try reading better please. Apart from that, and yes, this is my last post. What are the Sensible** views of the general public on the new character thing? Do you really want to lose your original portraits. If you were a real life space pilot you can't just change what you look like. it's stupid in my opinion. Look forward to the replies to this one, but I know what to expect Jack well even though you said you know what to expect I'll bite. I've had my avatar for 5 years. And I will not be sad to see her go, in fact with the charatcer creator and walkig I welcome even being able to change my gender. The new creator is not based on the old one, as such it has 100s more options. If everyone didn't change then everyone would still look the same like we do now. This is a painful, but necessary change for the game to move forward. If you know anything about normal maps and zbrush, then you know this character creator is future proof up until we need more than 2 million polys per model.
Saju Somtaaw Gallente Department of Defence Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.11.17 00:57:00 - [362] Any ETA on when we'll be able to select weight, musularity(sp), freckles, agings, scaring, hair and eye color ourseleves instead of having to hid randomize until we get what we want? ---- --- ---
JilliDK	Posted - 2010.11.17 03:14:00 - [363] I am not able to view the model at all in the Incusion test that is currently on singularity (the one with incursion flash n login page and all) anything wrong with my graphics settings? win7 64bit 8800 gts pretty recent nvidia drivers
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.11.17 03:47:00 - [364] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 17/11/2010 03:52:55 Edited by: Tres Farmer on 17/11/2010 03:49:29 Originally by: Jack' Sparrow snip Apart from that, and yes, this is my last post. What are the Sensible views of the general public on the new character thing? Do you really want to lose your original portraits. If you were a real life space pilot you can't just change what you look like. it's stupid in my opinion. Look forward to the replies to this one, but I know what to expect Put them old portraits into some kind of personal file that goes aloing with your char and lists all those kind of changes we can't get a hold of yet: char changes account char changes portrait char changes name char gets the name of a formerly deleted char As for your sentimental wish to keep the old char protraits forever.. grow a brain. CCP hasn't enough manpower to write a conversion tool that satisfies your need/their aspiration for lossless transformation into the new char engine. CCP also hasn't enough manpower to keep the old char engine besides the new one.. The new char engine is corifiedm, as they'll use it in WoD too and there is no way back from that road. As I said.. make a proposal for some kind of personal char file with above mentioned features and I will sign it. I can see it right now.. when CCP finally manages to rework the current POS models/mechanic (one can dream, no?) there will be people that ***** and whine against those changes too.. facepalm New Eden needs a Public Feature/Idea/Bug-Tracker
Asruv'ynn GeoCorp. -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.11.17 09:09:00 - [365] Also would like to add about the last portions of character creation: I would kill to have my name changed, especially now since we can get a surname portion and the beginning school to be what you wish. Heck, I would pay good money to have it changed if I could.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.11.17 10:01:00 - [366] Originally by: Asruv'ynn Also would like to add about the last portions of character creation: I would kill to have my name changed, especially now since we can get a surname portion and the beginning school to be what you wish. Heck, I would pay good money to have it changed if I could. Why didn't you add a surname when you created your char? Or do you just want a way to get a new name that doesn't start on A?
Caia Amantial	Posted - 2010.11.17 14:16:00 - [367] New patch data this morning, but still no female characters.
Bone HeadXVII	Posted - 2010.11.17 16:41:00 - [368] Originally by: Asruv'ynn Also would like to add about the last portions of character creation: I would kill to have my name changed, especially now since we can get a surname portion and the beginning school to be what you wish. Heck, I would pay good money to have it changed if I could. I too would pay for it to be possible to change my character's name.
Yaz Mynne Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.11.17 17:30:00 - [369] Originally by: Bone HeadXVII Originally by: Asruv'ynn Also would like to add about the last portions of character creation: I would kill to have my name changed, especially now since we can get a surname portion and the beginning school to be what you wish. Heck, I would pay good money to have it changed if I could. I too would pay for it to be possible to change my character's name. Lol same here. Since I started playing, they created a birth control pill with dangerous side-effects with the same name as my main We can't stop here! It's BAT country!!!
Asruv'ynn GeoCorp. -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:13:00 - [370] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Asruv'ynn Also would like to add about the last portions of character creation: I would kill to have my name changed, especially now since we can get a surname portion and the beginning school to be what you wish. Heck, I would pay good money to have it changed if I could. Why didn't you add a surname when you created your char? Or do you just want a way to get a new name that doesn't start on A? Eh, more so that I just don't like the name and I really didn't figure in having a surname at the time of this character's creation. Due to the ships that I fly, I'm almost never seen so the A-name I can deal with. With this new character creation it makes me wish I had chosen a more conservative name and done some other things with ships, missions and skillpoints.
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:13:00 - [371] When are we going to be able to update our female avatars again? Hello CCP?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2010.11.17 18:29:00 - [372] Originally by: Bone HeadXVII Originally by: Asruv'ynn Also would like to add about the last portions of character creation: I would kill to have my name changed, especially now since we can get a surname portion and the beginning school to be what you wish. Heck, I would pay good money to have it changed if I could. I too would pay for it to be possible to change my character's name. I don't see why it would be so hard to have a real name which everyone can see in your profile, and a nickname/AKA name. Something you can't change more than once. that way you can't run from your history, but you can change your name.
KurotsuchiMayuri	Posted - 2010.11.17 19:29:00 - [373] Originally by: JilliDK I am not able to view the model at all in the Incusion test that is currently on singularity (the one with incursion flash n login page and all) anything wrong with my graphics settings? win7 64bit 8800 gts pretty recent nvidia drivers I'm having the same issue on 64-bit win7 on my Dell Studio laptop. The UI for the char creator appears, but there's no 3D model of my character showing. No amount of clicking on any of the UI makes the model appear.
KurotsuchiMayuri	Posted - 2010.11.17 19:31:00 - [374] Originally by: KurotsuchiMayuri Originally by: JilliDK I am not able to view the model at all in the Incusion test that is currently on singularity (the one with incursion flash n login page and all) anything wrong with my graphics settings? win7 64bit 8800 gts pretty recent nvidia drivers I'm having the same issue on 64-bit win7 on my Dell Studio laptop. The UI for the char creator appears, but there's no 3D model of my character showing. No amount of clicking on any of the UI makes the model appear. Huh... works for my main but not my alt. Damn -- it's the female alt I.. erm... I've said to much... ^^
Anastasiya Cyzarine Caldari Galaxy Punks Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.11.17 20:45:00 - [375] Hm any character model simply fails to load. Can choose the body shape, and all the other options but no customization nor any loading of a character. At the first screens there is the options and thats it.
Soden Rah Gallente Rapier Industry and Technology Second Sun Rising	Posted - 2010.11.17 22:11:00 - [376] Edited by: Soden Rah on 17/11/2010 22:13:21 Build Version: 6.40.203631 Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 @ 2.13 Ghz 4MB Ram Windows Vista 64 bit latest patches/updates NVIDEA GeForce 210 (yes I know, will get around to buying something less crappy at some point SoonTM) 1600x1200, interval default. Shadows/Resource cache/HDR, all on. Anti Aliasing Off. Bloom Low. Shader/texture/LOD all High. Physically Simulated cloth & Hair Texture ~ Extreme Right well as we have a completely new setup here from the one when this threadnaught started a new thread with a known issues/wish list on the front would be nice. However as it doesnÆt exist yet, here goes. Bugs: Lots of options donÆt work, Female chars wonÆt appear, char vanished when I attempted to put on outer jacket and wouldnÆt reappear when I took it off. (must have been stealth jacket) Char/background picture disappears if you go to esc menu, and wonÆt come back. General WIPÆness which you know about already and i wonÆt waste any more time on. UI Design Thoughts. 1) The Back/Accept buttons should be Back/Forward options until last screen when it would be acceptable to have Back and Accept to indicate that your now accepting a complete char rather than continuing to the next stage of the creator. 2) It should be possible to browse the various options (hair/clothing/eye type ect.) without actually applying them to the char. This makes life much easier if you want to scroll back and forward to compare different options as you donÆt have to wait while it tries to apply each option as you go back and forth, this also makes for less chance of freezing if someone scrolls through options faster than it can apply them. Which brings me to... 3) Back and forward buttons for scrolling through options. 4) Options need to have descriptive names as well as thumbnail pics. 5) It should be possible to see all the available options and pick one (based on name/description) without scrolling through all the options one by one. My ideal design for this would be to have a drop down menu for, say, Hairstyles. The thumbnail for the current selection shows underneath with various customisations, colour for example, underneath. Then when you want to try it out on the main char image you click an apply button. For convenience options like colour changes might auto-apply themselves so you only have to select the apply option when changeing the whole style. 6) The randomization buttons are too easy to click accidentally and undo all the careful changes you have just spent ages making, they need to be put somewhere safer. Preferably actually inside the menu for the thing you want to alter, with a master randomize button somewhere totally different nowhere near the other options. Done properly they shouldnÆt need a ædo you really want to do thisÆ check but as they are they are far too close to things you click all the time. Which leads me onto.... 7) Undo/Redo Buttons 8) A Save current progress option, combined with an auto save feature so that if you spend 2~3 hrs making your char, nearly finish then have to rush off/power cut/internet crash/you forgot the time and daily DT starts.... then you donÆt lose all your work 9) Clothing on/off (or make clothing invisible button, if you prefer) so that if you cloth your char up then decide that actually what looked good nude looks terrible in clothes you can quickly alter it without taking all the clothes off and then having to reselect them all to put them back on. 10) Char still moves whilst trying to sculpt/pose, needs to freeze whilst sculpting/poseing and preferably also needs an option to turn on/off char movement (for those with lower power computers and those just irritated by it) Cont........
Soden Rah Gallente Rapier Industry and Technology Second Sun Rising	Posted - 2010.11.17 22:13:00 - [377] cont..... 11) The sculpting areas are still hard to find, and it is still unclear what they do and what mouse movements have what results. Also as you move the mouse around it is all too easy to accidentally select the wrong area (particularly if itÆs a small one) so the ability to click on to select an area and then be able to sculpt that without worrying about altering neighbouring options. Ideally for this I would like to have visual indicators for sculpting options. For example, if you were trying to sculpt your characters breasts (and why wouldnÆt you want to do this ;-p ) you should be able to click on the breasts, thus selecting them, and causing the sculpting controls to appear (or you could make them all visible and have all bar the one selected faint and transparent, but that might be too cluttered). In this incidence the options you want are, size, separation, angle/droop/height (whatever you want to call it) and shape. So a rod coming out of each breast through the nipple, with a slider on each rod. Moving the rods up and down or side to side changes the separation/height of the breasts, and moving the slider up and down the rod alters the size (with markers to denote actual cup size/measurements). Then at the side there are options for shape. This way each breast can be individually moved or moved together (either by having a toggle switch or by using right and left click to denote moving together or separately). Something along these lines for this and all the other sculpting points would make the system much more intuitive and make it easier to have multiple levels of control without having to make overly complicated and vague mouse movements. 12) Need option to change char height (and have actual height in feet and inches displayed, along with general waist/leg/chest measurements so we can get an idea of how big/sensible the char is without having to guess by looking at a 6 inch high computer image.) Ok that should be enough to be getting on with ;-) I will look forward to Character creation thread 3 coming to a forum near us (SoonTM).
MechaMouse	Posted - 2010.11.17 22:15:00 - [378] I cannot use any of the sliders (muscularity, Weight, Scarring, etc) Randomize works, but I can't seem to change them any other way.
Soden Rah Gallente Rapier Industry and Technology Second Sun Rising	Posted - 2010.11.17 23:38:00 - [379] Oh and I should have said.... Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou for taking away the horrible dials. I can now stop having nightmares about them. Thankyou Soden Rah ps: Did I say thankyou?
Scarlet Charlotte Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.18 00:30:00 - [380] Edited by: Scarlet Charlotte on 18/11/2010 00:34:30 How to make the women work (kinda) Originally I thought there were no female assets included, but by sheer accident I discovered how to make them appear. You won't be able to sculpt them though, you can only randomize till you get something you like. Simply follow this guide I made: Guide Any hairstyles other than 2, 3, 4, 7, 9, 20, 27, 30, 31, 34, 36 will make the model disappear, but you can make it reappear simply by picking a working hairstyle again. You can pick clothing items, but it may cause the model to disappear (not specific clothing items, it seems to happen at random). If this happens, you have to restart the client to make the model reappear. Zooming out and random events can also make the model disappear. Some wummins I dun made
Iam Widdershins Project Nemesis	Posted - 2010.11.18 00:33:00 - [381] My main issue: I cannot seem to use half of the controls. There are bars for muscularity, weight, and opacity of skin features; there are color wheels for hair styles, eyes, and skin features: none of these controls actually do anything for me. I can click in, on, and around them all I want but nothing happens. The only way I can change them is to click on randomize (where available) and hope for the best. Some unusable bars and wheels, circled (pic) Some more (pic)
Math'ra Hiede Amarr Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition	Posted - 2010.11.18 02:55:00 - [382] My current major frustration is the lighting when trying to do the sculpting - especially for Khanid males. With the dark skin the flat blue background I have to squint really hard to make them out, and even when taking the portrait pictures its just as bad, the hard lighting from side only makes it impossible to see anything other than a sliver on one side of the face. That and with sculpting for Khanids (males is all I tested) its very VERY limiting and still sticky and clunky, its a major frustration to try and get anything to look halfway decent. I would still love to see a long hair option for men, like the Khanids have allready - as well as the good old space-helmet that made the Khanid's trademark Vader-like appearance so distinctive. Overall I am liking the changes, but it need so much more polishing and finishing - with the current usability level actuall causing frustration and annoyance more than enjoyment and "Oh wow!" factor. Recruitment Open
Cetida Chiya Coma Vault Systems	Posted - 2010.11.18 03:55:00 - [383] Originally by: Scarlet Charlotte Edited by: Scarlet Charlotte on 18/11/2010 00:34:30 ... Originally I thought there were no female assets included, but by sheer accident I discovered how to make them appear. You won't be able to sculpt them though, you can only randomize till you get something you like. ... If you go to the next step and then come back you'll be able to sculpt. Something I tried: Jin-Mei female Gallente female
Khyna Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.18 04:19:00 - [384] Originally by: Scarlet Charlotte Edited by: Scarlet Charlotte on 18/11/2010 00:34:30 How to make the women work (kinda) Originally I thought there were no female assets included, but by sheer accident I discovered how to make them appear. You won't be able to sculpt them though, you can only randomize till you get something you like. Simply follow this guide I made: Guide Any hairstyles other than 2, 3, 4, 7, 9, 20, 27, 30, 31, 34, 36 will make the model disappear, but you can make it reappear simply by picking a working hairstyle again. You can pick clothing items, but it may cause the model to disappear (not specific clothing items, it seems to happen at random). If this happens, you have to restart the client to make the model reappear. Zooming out and random events can also make the model disappear. Some wummins I dun made Yeah... that does not work at all. I have tried it multiple times, I restarted it each time too. All I get is a flicker and nothing. I press everything random, then go to each section and hit random, i resize it, I press the back button, I did basically everything I could to try to make the females appear... I am assuming it will work with random machines? I know its still WIP but kind of wish I could play around with the females. Oh well, Btw are they going to release this still on the 21st of November? or is it being pushed back cuz of these issues they are running to? or did I just read the wrong info on the date?
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2010.11.18 04:37:00 - [385] Females are still not working for me, no matter what "tweaks" I try.
Mina O'Bane Caldari Valkyries of Bosiu	Posted - 2010.11.18 04:40:00 - [386] couldn't get the body to load, tried restarting the client several times, even tried making a new character, never got it to load. kinda difficult to mold a body that doesn't exist I can't hear you over how big my guns are
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.11.18 05:08:00 - [387] Originally by: Khyna snip Btw are they going to release this still on the 21st of November? or is it being pushed back cuz of these issues they are running to? or did I just read the wrong info on the date? It will be January for the Incursion and Incarna parts of the expansion.. New Eden needs a Public Feature/Idea/Bug-Tracker
Loni Elahhez	Posted - 2010.11.18 05:08:00 - [388] ok, seems i did not do a good enough scan of this thread, the male models works fine, its only the female ones not showing as pointed out already. fixy please :p
Scarlet Charlotte Amarr	Posted - 2010.11.18 06:50:00 - [389] Originally by: Cetida Chiya Originally by: Scarlet Charlotte Edited by: Scarlet Charlotte on 18/11/2010 00:34:30 ... Originally I thought there were no female assets included, but by sheer accident I discovered how to make them appear. You won't be able to sculpt them though, you can only randomize till you get something you like. ... If you go to the next step and then come back you'll be able to sculpt. Something I tried: Jin-Mei female Gallente female Awesome! Works as good as the men now :) Moar ladies Originally by: Khyna Originally by: Scarlet Charlotte Edited by: Scarlet Charlotte on 18/11/2010 00:34:30 How to make the women work (kinda) Originally I thought there were no female assets included, but by sheer accident I discovered how to make them appear. You won't be able to sculpt them though, you can only randomize till you get something you like. Simply follow this guide I made: Guide Any hairstyles other than 2, 3, 4, 7, 9, 20, 27, 30, 31, 34, 36 will make the model disappear, but you can make it reappear simply by picking a working hairstyle again. You can pick clothing items, but it may cause the model to disappear (not specific clothing items, it seems to happen at random). If this happens, you have to restart the client to make the model reappear. Zooming out and random events can also make the model disappear. Some wummins I dun made Yeah... that does not work at all. I have tried it multiple times, I restarted it each time too. All I get is a flicker and nothing. I press everything random, then go to each section and hit random, i resize it, I press the back button, I did basically everything I could to try to make the females appear... I am assuming it will work with random machines? I know its still WIP but kind of wish I could play around with the females. Oh well, Btw are they going to release this still on the 21st of November? or is it being pushed back cuz of these issues they are running to? or did I just read the wrong info on the date? Damn... Must only work on certain systems then.
Facepalm Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.11.18 07:42:00 - [390] Is it me or do all the races look the same? ------------

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