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El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:24:00 - [631] I think Miilla is a CCP employee being paid to troll this thread instead of doing real work like perhaps checking code for the new forums..... It is now well into the afternoon CCP, we would like that update we were promised. Yes I'm expecting some heads to roll, you've been to lax for far to long with your employees. Just remember as SOE trashed their own community with the NGE rollout of SWG and have never had a successful launch since, you could do that to your own name with the way things are going.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:25:00 - [632] Originally by: El'Niaga I think Miilla is a CCP employee being paid to troll this thread instead of doing real work like perhaps checking code for the new forums..... It is now well into the afternoon CCP, we would like that update we were promised. Yes I'm expecting some heads to roll, you've been to lax for far to long with your employees. Just remember as SOE trashed their own community with the NGE rollout of SWG and have never had a successful launch since, you could do that to your own name with the way things are going. Wow, its true, all those 3 letters really do make you look like you know what you are talking about.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:27:00 - [633] Originally by: El'Niaga It is now well into the afternoon CCP, we would like that update we were promised. Hey it's several hours left of Monday. If we pretend devs work US TZ they got half a day or so to conjure up that devblog. -
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:29:00 - [634] Originally by: Miilla Wow, its true, all those 3 letters really do make you look like you know what you are talking about. Anyone who follows MMOs should be aware of those acronyms. It's a well known story. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:30:00 - [635] Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: Miilla Wow, its true, all those 3 letters really do make you look like you know what you are talking about. Anyone who follows MMOs should be aware of those acronyms. It's a well known story. What's an MMO?
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:33:00 - [636] Edited by: Yuki Kulotsuki on 11/04/2011 15:32:44 Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: Miilla Wow, its true, all those 3 letters really do make you look like you know what you are talking about. Anyone who follows MMOs should be aware of those acronyms. It's a well known story. What's an MMO? I-i-it's not l-like I want to tell you or anything. I just happened to have a link lying around. Jeez! -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link?
Niraia Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:35:00 - [637] Originally by: El'Niaga I think Miilla is a CCP employee I was thinking one of Sreegs' HBGary friends! Or maybe Ankhesentapemkah. - shipsofeve.com eohpoker.com sanshasnation.net
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:35:00 - [638] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: El'Niaga I think Miilla is a CCP employee being paid to troll this thread instead of doing real work like perhaps checking code for the new forums..... It is now well into the afternoon CCP, we would like that update we were promised. Yes I'm expecting some heads to roll, you've been to lax for far to long with your employees. Just remember as SOE trashed their own community with the NGE rollout of SWG and have never had a successful launch since, you could do that to your own name with the way things are going. Wow, its true, all those 3 letters really do make you look like you know what you are talking about. Like many events in life, this is a pivot point. It's already on 3rd party sites, many of the same sites that led to the decline of SWG over the NGE. CCP can hone up to what's been done, smooth over community relations or decide not to learn from SOE and have their reputation damaged. That's what's at stake, it isn't just EVE, this would spill over to all their projects just like it did for SOE. That would greatly hurt a successful launch of DUST and of World of Darkness. There CEO should have come in over the weekend and made a statement etc. Stonewalling will not help them and will only lead to further problems down the road for them. People though can be fantastically forgiving if you're honest with them, it's when they feel you are hiding something or withholding from them that quickly love turns to hate, and all the energy they used previously to build up something they use to destroy that same thing.
William Henry McGregor	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:36:00 - [639] Originally by: Niraia Originally by: El'Niaga I think Miilla is a CCP employee I was thinking one of Sreegs' HBGary friends! This! HBGary was offering such services...
Jaik7	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:37:00 - [640] i actually liked() a few of the features in the new forums. for instance, addign some topics to favorites lets me find them easily, so when my favorite topic ends up on page three i don't have to read each title in order to find it. i also enjoyed participating in Cal's thread of twenty thousand likes. that has got to have been the most fun i've ever had on a forum. in these forums, making a hyperlink is not very straightforward, i still havent gotten it right. in the new ones all i had to do was copy/paste a URL. i don't get the whole "bleeding eyes" drama about the font. i hardly noticed the change. the thing i hated most about them was the way my did not lol

Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:38:00 - [641] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Miilla It probalby was evaluated for security. Saying it was not just naieve. Most processes have a threat model. àand yet the most common thread imaginable was not found. So either the process was deeply flawed (and shouldn't exist in its current incarnation) or it already didn't exist. The effect is much the same. Or perhaps it wasn't reported correctly which resulted in a breakdown of communication, that seems one factor here. I would love to see his report on this but I didn't all I saw was him exploiting it. Bad news. You are avoiding the fact that it was not only Catari who reported and petitioned bugs. I know of at least three others who did as well. Helicity, who posted earlier on in this thread is one of them. It would be most helpful if you stopped trying to put all the focus on Catari and instead stick to the issue of how the forums got released in the state they did.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:39:00 - [642] Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: Miilla Originally by: El'Niaga I think Miilla is a CCP employee being paid to troll this thread instead of doing real work like perhaps checking code for the new forums..... It is now well into the afternoon CCP, we would like that update we were promised. Yes I'm expecting some heads to roll, you've been to lax for far to long with your employees. Just remember as SOE trashed their own community with the NGE rollout of SWG and have never had a successful launch since, you could do that to your own name with the way things are going. Wow, its true, all those 3 letters really do make you look like you know what you are talking about. Like many events in life, this is a pivot point. It's already on 3rd party sites, many of the same sites that led to the decline of SWG over the NGE. CCP can hone up to what's been done, smooth over community relations or decide not to learn from SOE and have their reputation damaged. That's what's at stake, it isn't just EVE, this would spill over to all their projects just like it did for SOE. That would greatly hurt a successful launch of DUST and of World of Darkness. There CEO should have come in over the weekend and made a statement etc. Stonewalling will not help them and will only lead to further problems down the road for them. People though can be fantastically forgiving if you're honest with them, it's when they feel you are hiding something or withholding from them that quickly love turns to hate, and all the energy they used previously to build up something they use to destroy that same thing. Yes a forum can kill Dust which is on consoles because console users care about a keyboard which is required to type into a forum.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:40:00 - [643] Originally by: Miilla Yes a forum can kill Dust which is on consoles because console users care about a keyboard which is required to type into a forum. Pro forum *****s use on-screen keyboards and joypads. 20WPM FTW! -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:41:00 - [644] Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Miilla It probalby was evaluated for security. Saying it was not just naieve. Most processes have a threat model. àand yet the most common thread imaginable was not found. So either the process was deeply flawed (and shouldn't exist in its current incarnation) or it already didn't exist. The effect is much the same. Or perhaps it wasn't reported correctly which resulted in a breakdown of communication, that seems one factor here. I would love to see his report on this but I didn't all I saw was him exploiting it. Bad news. You are avoiding the fact that it was not only Catari who reported and petitioned bugs. I know of at least three others who did as well. Helicity, who posted earlier on in this thread is one of them. It would be most helpful if you stopped trying to put all the focus on Catari and instead stick to the issue of how the forums got released in the state they did. You are avoiding the fact that it was Catari who EXPLOITED this for his own ego gain. He even bragged about it.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:41:00 - [645] Edited by: Tippia on 11/04/2011 15:43:16 Originally by: Jaik7 in these forums, making a hyperlink is not very straightforward, i still havent gotten it right. in the new ones all i had to do was copy/paste a URL. Funnily enough, the old new forums use the same linking button as the new new (old) forumsà àunless you're talking about the auto-discovery and translation of link-like text strings pasted straight into the text flow, which is somewhat nifty, but which tends to cause quite a lot of funny issues if you want to discuss more technical things. Originally by: Miilla You are avoiding the fact that it was Catari who EXPLOITED this for his own ego gain. He even bragged about it. And you have yet to specify the damage he supposedly did. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Zey Nadar Gallente Unknown Soldiers Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:43:00 - [646] Edited by: Zey Nadar on 11/04/2011 15:46:45 Originally by: El'Niaga Like many events in life, this is a pivot point. It's already on 3rd party sites, many of the same sites that led to the decline of SWG over the NGE. CCP can hone up to what's been done, smooth over community relations or decide not to learn from SOE and have their reputation damaged. That's what's at stake, it isn't just EVE, this would spill over to all their projects just like it did for SOE. That would greatly hurt a successful launch of DUST and of World of Darkness. There CEO should have come in over the weekend and made a statement etc. Stonewalling will not help them and will only lead to further problems down the road for them. People though can be fantastically forgiving if you're honest with them, it's when they feel you are hiding something or withholding from them that quickly love turns to hate, and all the energy they used previously to build up something they use to destroy that same thing. The basic damage-control of politics: Admit as soon as possible that there has been an error, its being worked on, and all the niceties like forum will be back better after that. And not post blatant lies like that we werent at risk because we were. Stonewalling is very poor idea at this time and age, the grumblings will only grow exponentially. Im sure you US people know such examples from your politics (Or for example, whats going on at Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan etc). Best method is to soothe the people who are aware of the issue at first, before they start telling other people. If people don't know, they start expecting the worst, and the problems escalate.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:47:00 - [647] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: Miilla Originally by: El'Niaga I think Miilla is a CCP employee being paid to troll this thread instead of doing real work like perhaps checking code for the new forums..... It is now well into the afternoon CCP, we would like that update we were promised. Yes I'm expecting some heads to roll, you've been to lax for far to long with your employees. Just remember as SOE trashed their own community with the NGE rollout of SWG and have never had a successful launch since, you could do that to your own name with the way things are going. Wow, its true, all those 3 letters really do make you look like you know what you are talking about. Like many events in life, this is a pivot point. It's already on 3rd party sites, many of the same sites that led to the decline of SWG over the NGE. CCP can hone up to what's been done, smooth over community relations or decide not to learn from SOE and have their reputation damaged. That's what's at stake, it isn't just EVE, this would spill over to all their projects just like it did for SOE. That would greatly hurt a successful launch of DUST and of World of Darkness. There CEO should have come in over the weekend and made a statement etc. Stonewalling will not help them and will only lead to further problems down the road for them. People though can be fantastically forgiving if you're honest with them, it's when they feel you are hiding something or withholding from them that quickly love turns to hate, and all the energy they used previously to build up something they use to destroy that same thing. Yes a forum can kill Dust which is on consoles because console users care about a keyboard which is required to type into a forum. I'm beginning to wonder at your intelligence. Has nothing to do with the error was on a forum etc. It is a series of events that shows incompetence on CCPs part going back years. Over time that erodes customer support and confidence. As customers who were once stalwart supporters feel slighted they can turn into some of the greatest critics. That's what happened with SOE and SWG. They made changes, they made unpopular changes, they decried their customers. Much like yourself challenging their intelligence etc. In the end those customers who had loved the game prior became its most vocal critics. SWG lost over half its population in 90 days (EVE on the other hand doubled population in that time....to give you a hint where they went). Due to the events of those days, SOE has not had a successful launch of any MMO since. It has now been over 6 years and they have not recovered, and it will probably be many more before they do.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:50:00 - [648] Edited by: Miilla on 11/04/2011 15:51:10 Originally by: El'Niaga I'm beginning to wonder at your intelligence. Has nothing to do with the error was on a forum etc. It is a series of events that shows incompetence on CCPs part going back years. Over time that erodes customer support and confidence. As customers who were once stalwart supporters feel slighted they can turn into some of the greatest critics. That's what happened with SOE and SWG. They made changes, they made unpopular changes, they decried their customers. Much like yourself challenging their intelligence etc. In the end those customers who had loved the game prior became its most vocal critics. SWG lost over half its population in 90 days (EVE on the other hand doubled population in that time....to give you a hint where they went). Due to the events of those days, SOE has not had a successful launch of any MMO since. It has now been over 6 years and they have not recovered, and it will probably be many more before they do. And yet you still are here using their service and probably paying them in some form or other. If you don't like their service, quit using it.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:51:00 - [649] Just because someone is a hypocrite doesn't mean they aren't telling the truth. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link?
Zey Nadar Gallente Unknown Soldiers Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:51:00 - [650] Originally by: El'Niaga I'm beginning to wonder at your intelligence. Don't you see Miilla is a professional troll? Youve been trolled! Above post proves it.

Steve Thomas Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:20:00 - [651] Edited by: Steve Thomas on 11/04/2011 16:22:16 ok reguarding this exploit We did a mockup of a forum (not eves just a dummy) useing a modified version of YAF.net to permit the exploits bascialy if you were running IE 8 or 9, crome, on nonuptated Vista or newer none of the redirect scripts worked without you specificaly allowing redirect scripts in settings. the best I could get was to have IE 8 throw up a yes-no box on instaling anything, Firefox 3.5 I could somehow install active X controls and Java applets, aparently because it was a trusted sight. this was not a problem with Firefox 4.0 Crome I was promptly told that it had detected and blocked suspected attacks BEFORE THE PAGE LOADED ok I may need to replace Firefox. IE 7, well if your stubborn enough to be still useing THAT antique POC then you probably already know just how badly that went. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html Crumplecorn's DesuSigs
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:21:00 - [652] Originally by: Zey Nadar Don't you see Miilla is a professional troll? Youve been trolled! Above post proves it. ZOMG!1 you are so off topic, you must be one of the trolls in cohorts with Miilla, i see right through your trolling disguised as counter trolling.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:27:00 - [653] Stable and Secure YAF has been vetted. YAF has been around since 2003. During that time, the application has been throughly tested. Since the code has been freely available for 7 years, there is nothing to hide and no stone has been left unturned.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:30:00 - [654] Originally by: Miilla Stable and Secure YAF has been vetted. YAF has been around since 2003. During that time, the application has been throughly tested. Since the code has been freely available for 7 years, there is nothing to hide and no stone has been left unturned. You are correct. There's nothing inherently wrong with YAF. The blame for this shameful debacle lies squarely with CCP and their incompetent gutting of a working bit of software. I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about all this.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:31:00 - [655] Originally by: Helicity Boson I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about all this. Conflicted? Ambivalent? Of two minds? -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link?
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:32:00 - [656] Originally by: Steve Thomas Crome I was promptly told that it had detected and blocked suspected attacks BEFORE THE PAGE LOADED ok I may need to replace Firefox. ^^ This is good advice.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:34:00 - [657] Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: Steve Thomas Crome I was promptly told that it had detected and blocked suspected attacks BEFORE THE PAGE LOADED ok I may need to replace Firefox. ^^ This is good advice. Or reconfigure it and install NoScript etc. I don't think noscript allows finegrained script blocking, just at the CDN level. Pitty, correct me if I am wrong. It would be awesome to allow just some scripts on a CDN.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:44:00 - [658] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Bomberlocks ....You are avoiding the fact that it was not only Catari who reported and petitioned bugs. I know of at least three others who did as well. Helicity, who posted earlier on in this thread is one of them. It would be most helpful if you stopped trying to put all the focus on Catari and instead stick to the issue of how the forums got released in the state they did. You are avoiding the fact that it was Catari who EXPLOITED this for his own ego gain. He even bragged about it. No, I am not. He did brag about it on SHC. Why he did that is something you'll have to ask him. Now that we've got that out of the way, do you think we could go back to the problem of the forums, or would that be asking too much?
Daedalus II Helios Research	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:46:00 - [659] I came to think of: How safe are these forums? I assume people have tried to crack them before, but if the new forums had holes like that, what is to say there aren't some unknown holes in this one as well? How is the logon information stored in cookies here? ___________ Interested in incursions? Join Helios Research!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:53:00 - [660] Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Bomberlocks ....You are avoiding the fact that it was not only Catari who reported and petitioned bugs. I know of at least three others who did as well. Helicity, who posted earlier on in this thread is one of them. It would be most helpful if you stopped trying to put all the focus on Catari and instead stick to the issue of how the forums got released in the state they did. You are avoiding the fact that it was Catari who EXPLOITED this for his own ego gain. He even bragged about it. No, I am not. He did brag about it on SHC. Why he did that is something you'll have to ask him. Now that we've got that out of the way, do you think we could go back to the problem of the forums, or would that be asking too much? He not only bragged about it, he EXPLOITED the issue. Stop avoiding the fact he EXPLOITED a forum bug.



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