EVE Search - [Petition] Make entry into CQ and Incarna optional and not mandatory.

Check My IP Information

All Channels

Assembly Hall

[Petition] Make entry into CQ and Incarna optional and not mandatory.

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 .. 16 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.25 20:56:00 - [1] The new and long awaited feature of incarna is finally about to drip, drip its way onto TQ, and into a PR disaster. Under the current plan, CQ, the first stage of incarna will not be optional. Every time you dock you will no-longer be in your hanger looking at your ship, you will instead load your Captains Quarters as a fully dressed and pressed avatar. There are posts and threads abounding with people detailing why this is bad. Here I simply want to get a head count for those who, for whatever reason, believe that CQ should be Optional, upon docking. This is not a referendum on if it should exist at all, or if it will be any good... ect. simply a show of hands for those who want to chose when, if at all, they use it. Hopefully if there is enough support it can be made optional before it hits TQ, not tacked on 6~18 month later. Given that those who want to use CQ will under this proposal still be able to do so, without any penalties. It seems to be a no-brainer that those who don't want to use it all the time also have that choice. Soden Rah __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Tyme Xandr Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:03:00 - [2] Check out the new dev blog. all the station buttons will still be available. If you dont hit your arrow keys u wont even have to deal with it. Im logging into my FB now to pull the dev blog for you.
Tyme Xandr Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:06:00 - [3] Incarna Dev Blog As you will notice with the imbedded video all station buttons are still available to use and make for quick item/ship swapping etc. If the duality server says anything, which I doubt it does, having all ur settings on low and unchecked the textures for CQ dont even load. I wouldnt count on this however. Are you worried about CPU reqs? My laptop cant even handle Incarna in its current state sO i doubt I will be using it either. Either way, its circumventable.
LordElfa Gallente Tri Corp Independent Faction	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:09:00 - [4] ^^This. òòòòòòò CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do.
Soden Rah EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Tyme Xandr Check out the new dev blog. all the station buttons will still be available. If you dont hit your arrow keys u wont even have to deal with it. Im logging into my FB now to pull the dev blog for you. read the blogs, been on duality, chatted to the devs on duality, read the forum posts, posted some of the forum posts. and STILL for a whole host of reasons think this should be optional... know a lot of others feel the same, so created this thread. Now please stop assuming you know more about what's going on than me and that I have reached my opinion based on incomplete or inaccurate information. I LIKE the idea of CQ, I JUST want it to be optional. if it is optional, then it hurts those who like/want it not at all. if it isn't optional then it **es off those that don't want it or don't want it all the time. Why not make it optional. __________________________________________________ Originally by:** CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Tyme Xandr Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:21:00 - [6] But im asking why bother making an option if it doesnt matter? Im not inferring I know more then you, im simply pointing out a reason of 'Who cares?'. Chill out guy, maybe you can start listing your (and the millions of other peoples) reasons for why its such a big deal to make it optional when the idea of Incarna is to make the EVE Universe more realistic. I just dont see why a step towards an immersive environment is so bad when you can still function like before. Sorry for not seeing your 'superior wisdom'. Hows that for for an ignorant post? Better?
Solo Player	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:21:00 - [7] Edited by: Solo Player on 25/05/2011 21:25:33 I got stuck within five minutes of testing on Duality last week and still am. Sure, I dared to hit the "leave station" button after my CQ view went dark and non-responsive, but still. If you add another layer to something already very complex, don't expect either to run as smooth as it would by itself. There will be problems. It is a fact that many players are unhappy and skeptical of Incarna, and even more about the apparent removal of a choice to leave your pod or not. Hell, I'm pretty awed by Incarna myself and will probably not stay outside of stations any longer than I need to, yet I am totally flabberghasted by this appartent inconsideration. There are a lot of good reasons to keep Incarna optional. There is not a single good one not to. Alternatively: make us see the light, CCP and respond to this with stunning wisdom. Edit in answer to above: Because it is not more realistic to just stand there in your clothes seconds after your ship started to dock? Because it is not more immersive to be forced to get out of your ship/pod just to convo with an agent/drop off some small cargo/refit/hide in the station, ready to undock at the first chance to get elsewhere safely?
Cyberus Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:24:00 - [8] Well there is plenty things in this game changed what lots of us do like and others not. The game evolve and will continue to evolve in the future, so you have only 2 options; a) accept it b) or leave it. There is also plenty of those guys who whine about they poor laptops cant run this/cant run that. Well did those who complain even ever read what syster requirment EVE need to run? Stop crying this game is already hold it back witt grafic's and such to try everyone be happy but CCP simply cant to not move forward with rest of the world or they simply will ruin they own business. If you want to play this game for long period of time you have to accept the changes and you have to upgrade your systems at some period of time, thats atleast what you do when you buy other games, dont you? ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use one that will display - Fallout
Tyme Xandr Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Cyberus Well there is plenty things in this game changed what lots of us do like and others not. The game evolve and will continue to evolve in the future, so you have only 2 options; a) accept it b) or leave it. There is also plenty of those guys who whine about they poor laptops cant run this/cant run that. Well did those who complain even ever read what syster requirment EVE need to run? Stop crying this game is already hold it back witt grafic's and such to try everyone be happy but CCP simply cant to not move forward with rest of the world or they simply will ruin they own business. If you want to play this game for long period of time you have to accept the changes and you have to upgrade your systems at some period of time, thats atleast what you do when you buy other games, dont you? No, I just deal with using low graphic settings. Do I win?
Solo Player	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:29:00 - [10] Edited by: Solo Player on 25/05/2011 21:29:04 @cyber: If that's your opinion, WTF are you doing in the Assembly Hall? If you believe that everything is out of our hands and rightly so, this makes no sense at all!

Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Tyme Xandr But im asking why bother making an option if it doesnt matter? Im not inferring I know more then you, im simply pointing out a reason of 'Who cares?'. Chill out guy, maybe you can start listing your (and the millions of other peoples) reasons for why its such a big deal to make it optional when the idea of Incarna is to make the EVE Universe more realistic. I just dont see why a step towards an immersive environment is so bad when you can still function like before. Sorry for not seeing your 'superior wisdom'. Hows that for for an ignorant post? Better? I am not claiming 'superior wisdom'. I was objecting to you dissing my post on the assumption I hadn't read the dev blog or tested out the feature on duality. And I am all for a more immersive environment. This won't help. Not because the feature itself is bad, but because it makes no sense that when you dock you instantly appear fully clothed and without any pod goo in your hair in your captains quarters. If you dock up for a quick ammo reload or to switch out hardeners, you wouldn't get out your pod, shower, put some clean clothes on, then switch your hardeners out, by push button now your no-longer in your pod, then undress, get back in your pod, get back in your ship and go. There are many reasons for wanting an option to enter CQ rather than it being mandatory, but I didn't create this thread to discuss them, there are a host of threads on the forums already doing that. This thread was created simply for a show of hands for those who want it to be optional, and wish the CSM and CCP to take that into consideration. If you want to debate the reasons why I can point you in the direction of several threads where it is being actively argued. but I can end with one. There are a number (I never said millions) of people who vocally don't want incarna at all, and/or want it to be optional. Given making it optional doesn't hurt those that do want it or don't care why give yourself (as CCP) the agro of annoying those who want the option. This issue has been raised in EVERY thread on the new CQ feature. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Tyme Xandr Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:44:00 - [12] This is the future. People are warping instantly all over the place. Whos to say there isnt a transportation beam that takes you out of the pod, and this beam also cleans you, the clothing is threaded over you or transported on you, all in the matter of a moment. And im not 'dissing' your thread. You made a public thread and I responded in it. My initial post had no 'disses' in it, 'yo'. I 'aint dissin yo ** bra'. However, since your a , now I am ing with you. If you are so ed about Incarna making your day so much more difficult by doing the same thing that happened before but with a different look then you got more problems then just incarna coming out. They are pandering to you guys who are mad that you have a Spaceman Doll by keeping all the functional buttons and windows intact. Just ignore the **ing guy in the middle of the screen and theres no issues. Your making it an issue by saying "I am upset that the dock screen looks different now." That's just ridiculous.
Tyme Xandr Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:47:00 - [13] Come into my thread, by clicking here, and 'diss my **** yo' if it'll make you feel better. Its obvious that you need a commotion.
boseo Azure Horizon	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:48:00 - [14] Edited by: boseo on 25/05/2011 21:50:13 Well I think that This topic Which the devs have looked at (even posted in a dev blog), showed a good way to go. I like the idea of having both the CQ, and Hangar. makes sense more in an RP way it you look at it as the following: every time you go to you CQ you have to drain your pod wash and get dressed, now would you really want to do that if you were only picking up one item? I mean in RL when I'm picking someone up in the car, I don't always pullover and park, turn off the engine, get out greet the person then get back in. so why would I in a space ship? maybe having the hangar as a quick stop, where items can be moved,ships changed, and refitting, and CQ for everything else, which would take more time. Edit: Also want cool little cut scenes, like suggested on video to add more immersion. better than a loading bar.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Cyberus Well there is plenty things in this game changed what lots of us do like and others not. The game evolve and will continue to evolve in the future, so you have only 2 options; a) accept it b) or leave it. There is also plenty of those guys who whine about they poor laptops cant run this/cant run that. Well did those who complain even ever read what syster requirment EVE need to run? Stop crying this game is already hold it back witt grafic's and such to try everyone be happy but CCP simply cant to not move forward with rest of the world or they simply will ruin they own business. If you want to play this game for long period of time you have to accept the changes and you have to upgrade your systems at some period of time, thats atleast what you do when you buy other games, dont you? My PC runs the beta version of CQ dual screen at full res, max settings, AA the works, at over 30 fps. I am not complaining because I won't be able to run eve on the new settings. CCP are actively asking for opinions of the players as to what they think of eve, and the new features under development in particular. My feedback, includes, the opinion that CQ should be optional, for a variety of reasons. I therefore totally reject the premise of your post. Those are not the only options, and those are not the reasons I am complaining about this issue. I am not about to emo-rage quit. You can't have my stuff. And I will keep expressing my opinion (that ccp has asked for) on the game I enjoy. You are right on one thing... there are plenty of features liked by some and not by others... this will be one of them... so in the interests of keeping the customer satisfied, why force people to use this one? __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Diamaht Nevain Gallente Avatar Union	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:50:00 - [16] Edited by: Diamaht Nevain on 25/05/2011 21:54:32 Can't really say supported. If all the same features are there, and everything takes the same amount of time, why have them complicate matters by having 2 sets of code just for docking. Just seems like we are asking for things to be way more complicated for CCP than they need to be. Edit: To the OP, I guess it would help if you gave a couple reasons why a change like this would be needed at all. It just sounds like extra work and more time in development for basically nothing. =============================== Two words: Internet Spaceships
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Tyme Xandr Come into my thread, by clicking here, and 'diss my ** yo' if it'll make you feel better. Its obvious that you need a commotion. I really don't. __________________________________________________ Originally by:** CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Ailyn Ischt	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:58:00 - [18] I'm just wondering if ship spinning is this important to you?
Cyberus Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Cyberus Well there is plenty things in this game changed what lots of us do like and others not. The game evolve and will continue to evolve in the future, so you have only 2 options; a) accept it b) or leave it. There is also plenty of those guys who whine about they poor laptops cant run this/cant run that. Well did those who complain even ever read what syster requirment EVE need to run? Stop crying this game is already hold it back witt grafic's and such to try everyone be happy but CCP simply cant to not move forward with rest of the world or they simply will ruin they own business. If you want to play this game for long period of time you have to accept the changes and you have to upgrade your systems at some period of time, thats atleast what you do when you buy other games, dont you? You are right on one thing... there are plenty of features liked by some and not by others... this will be one of them... so in the interests of keeping the customer satisfied, why force people to use this one? Meaby because it will become part of the game they make? As you have stated above, some do like something in game while the others do completely dislike though the others do like what the first one do not so they both have to deal with it. This case will not any difrent, while i will remain netral on this new feauture of they game there will be still lots of ppl who likes it and who not. I'm sure that there is enough some things in game that you totaly would like to be removed, so i do my things, but the true is it wont happence and we ( you/me and others) have to deal with. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use one that will display - Fallout
Cyberus Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Solo Player Edited by: Solo Player on 25/05/2011 21:29:04 @cyber: If that's your opinion, WTF are you doing in the Assembly Hall? If you believe that everything is out of our hands and rightly so, this makes no sense at all! And you beleave that you can dictate how CCP make they own game? get real. Yes they listning to desires of the customers ( atleast if they smart enough to do so) but at the end..... its them who make the FINAL desigion and FINAL content, how THEY think it should be, not the player base. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use one that will display - Fallout

Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Ailyn Ischt I'm just wondering if ship spinning is this important to you? Assuming it was me you were asking... nope, although it does apparently have quite a large following. They are planning (allegedly) to add a ship spinning feature to CQ at a later date. But that doesn't bother me one way or another... __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:12:00 - [22] It is optional. Just tell Windows not to allow the file that contains the CQ textures to load. No CQ.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Diamaht Nevain Edited by: Diamaht Nevain on 25/05/2011 21:54:32 Can't really say supported. If all the same features are there, and everything takes the same amount of time, why have them complicate matters by having 2 sets of code just for docking. Just seems like we are asking for things to be way more complicated for CCP than they need to be. Edit: To the OP, I guess it would help if you gave a couple reasons why a change like this would be needed at all. It just sounds like extra work and more time in development for basically nothing. well I usually get accused of creating walls of text (of reasoned argument, that no-one replies to). As there already seemed to be quite a large number of people already complaining about this issue I tried to make a thread simply for everyone who cared to put their had up and say yes I agree. This may have been a bit too optimistic on my part. however, the 'everything takes the same time' is not necessarily a given here. and I am not asking for two different kinds of docking, I am suggesting that you dock as normal, and then enter CQ after that IF you want by clicking a neocom button. this thread might give you a taste of the arguments and this is my first post in it. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard It is optional. Just tell Windows not to allow the file that contains the CQ textures to load. No CQ. yeah but I want to be Able to use it, just not be forced to use it all the time. plus its possible your suggestion (I have seen your thread) breaks the EULA. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Tyme Xandr Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:38:00 - [25] You DON'T have to use it each time tho dude ... im not sure what ur not getting here. Just because u can walk around you dont have to. Its like changing ur desktop background, does that fundamentally change how u use your computer?
Vaju Katru	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:47:00 - [26] Not supported.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Tyme Xandr You DON'T have to use it each time tho dude ... im not sure what ur not getting here. Just because u can walk around you dont have to. Its like changing ur desktop background, does that fundamentally change how u use your computer? So have you decided I am not a whatever the asterisked word was you called me and can now be talked to? It wont make any difference to how I play... as it stands the first iteration the 'new' 3d UI will basically be embedded buttons in the CQ environment that open the old UI windows. Which then completely cover and hide that environment. Until that changes I wont ever see CQ under all my windows. I will though waste CPU time loading it. However from an aesthetic and RP standpoint the fact that I no longer in my pod looking at my ship with camera drones jars. Plus I like the hanger view, in your analogy of a wallpaper this would be where I'm being forced to have a new wallpaper I don't like instead of one I do. Basically CCP is adding on a huge new area of the game, with lots of new coding. which can go wrong and break. If it (as originality advertised) is kept separate, and one breaks it doesn't effect the other. if CQ breaks on launch (or after) we can no longer dock. There is an issue for those on baseline hardware who currently use the 'don't load station environment' option. Who will now be forced to load a big new environment. Basically there are lots of reasons to make CQ optional. The only reason not to is 'its challenging for ccp to do' which is manifestly not true... plus I asked, the reason atm is aesthetic. As the only reason is aesthetic and aesthetics are personal... I say make it optional so we can chose which we want. And on your earlier rant, your immediate response was to assume I hadn't read the devblog, and was posting not knowing what was going on. That IS dissing my post, or however you want to put it. Your starting point was to assume I didn't know what I was talking about. That irritated me, But not to the point of shouting swearing and calling you names. I just wanted this thread to be a head count, no drama at all. If you want to continue discussing this then fine. But call me asterisks again and I'll simply ignore you. I don't need the agro. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Vhek Rikah	Posted - 2011.05.25 23:03:00 - [28] His orignal post was SUPPORTING how its not an issue DUE to the fact that you can still function the docking like normal. Its not his fault that your an idiot. If ur worried about your CPU then thats a diff issue. Keep graphic settings low. Maybe you should log back into duality and check out all the click boxes pertaining to graphic settings. U can turn most everything to low and no. Your just ***ing for the sake of ***ing, typical EVE user.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.05.25 23:12:00 - [29] I understand that not having any choice is a religious conviction with some people, however for the rest of us an option to stay in the ship when docked would make things right. Here's my post from the dev blog thread: Originally by: CCP Zulu When you dock your ship, your Captain's Quarters will replace the current hangar view Just pointing out that this is a big mistake. You guys have been pretty insistent about the immersion-inducing nature of this EVE add-on, and this kind of space -> avatar transition is anything but immersive. There is absolutely no reason for the capsuleer to always leave the pod when docked when all the current tasks can be performed remotely from the pod. It is especially sad to see this because all of the graphical assets required for the ship-spinning view are still in the CQ client, and the developer resources to keep this view in the game would be minimal. This feature does not even require any changes in the Incarna design. So why not keep it? Making it optional will make a lot of your customers happy. Those who complain about performance, immersion, gameplay focus can opt out of auto-disembarking, while those that can't wait to walk can select to forgo the ship-spin view. A complete win for everyone. And when you do actually add some content to Incarna, players will be compelled to exit their ships to experience it, even if that involves upgrading their computers. ^ ...
Ghurthe	Posted - 2011.05.25 23:24:00 - [30] In 2008's fanfest Torfi showed us a playable demo of Incarna, it had the normal station view and a button that had you leave your ship. There's no reason we can't have that with CQ.

Leocadminone	Posted - 2011.05.26 00:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Ghurthe In 2008's fanfest Torfi showed us a playable demo of Incarna, it had the normal station view and a button that had you leave your ship. There's no reason we can't have that with CQ. THAT I would be in favor of. There are a lot of us that have perfectly capable machines that do NOT have the massive bandwidth that Incarna seems to be designed for, and many MORE of us that don't have any INTEREST in this "walking around in stations" stuff at all. There is NO REASON this stuff should be crammed down our throats.
Stark Furlough	Posted - 2011.05.26 00:34:00 - [32] Personally, I have no problem with Incarna. And I happen to think all the people *****ing about it are sad, strange little people who seriously need to get out more. That said, there is no reason for the CQ not to be optional other than to pad the uptake metrics so: Supported!
Vandrion Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.05.26 00:42:00 - [33] Please for the love all things internet SPACESHIP related make CQ optional!
Ghurthe	Posted - 2011.05.26 03:18:00 - [34] Originally by: Cyberus Well there is plenty things in this game changed what lots of us do like and others not. The game evolve and will continue to evolve in the future, so you have only 2 options; a) accept it b) or leave it. There is also plenty of those guys who whine about they poor laptops cant run this/cant run that. Well did those who complain even ever read what syster requirment EVE need to run? Stop crying this game is already hold it back witt grafic's and such to try everyone be happy but CCP simply cant to not move forward with rest of the world or they simply will ruin they own business. If you want to play this game for long period of time you have to accept the changes and you have to upgrade your systems at some period of time, thats atleast what you do when you buy other games, dont you? Er... actually for all games, and MOST MMOs, system requirements generally don't change with time. And at least they don't change for effectively meaningless patches.
Ytamii Arval Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.05.26 03:52:00 - [35] +1 Simple--we were promised Incarna would be optional, and that promise needs to be kept for all aspects of it. CCP needs to establish some credibility for the good of the game; it's long overdue.
adriaans Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak	Posted - 2011.05.26 05:02:00 - [36] Supporting. Not for computer reasons but because I don't want to use Incarna, and I hate forced stuff. --signature-- F.CS boost: Here Vid: Link
Roh Voleto	Posted - 2011.05.26 06:40:00 - [37] I like what we have seen on Duality, and am looking forward to spin my character instead of my ship whenever I spend more than a few minutes docked. Most of the time I only dock to load some cargo, get the next mission, or do a quick refit, though. In those situations the CQ will be a major immersion breaker.
Ris Dnalor Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation	Posted - 2011.05.26 10:25:00 - [38] yes. optional please.
Masjheira Minmatar Cursed Inc. Not Found.	Posted - 2011.05.26 11:00:00 - [39] I support the topic. Screw you CCP if you **** us up making it non-optionnal. This was the "deal" when you first announced all this crap walking stuff. lots of players don't give a damn about having a sims in Eve, I play Eve for adrenalin, for excitation of fights, not to see my character in 3D. You were drunk once, or get a lead designer completely stupid who convinced you guys to make a Sims-like feature that would take 3 years of development? Ok, don't worry, you'll pay it in the end, but don't make it non-optionnal as there are still LOTS of people who don't wanna have anything to do with that crap. So please. For this game's sakes, make it optionnal. i don't wanna have some more lag, some more loading just because you were drunk and made the worst decision ever about game design. Make it optionnal, as it doesn't bring ANYTHING to the game.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.05.26 11:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Tyme Xandr Check out the new dev blog. all the station buttons will still be available. If you dont hit your arrow keys u wont even have to deal with it. Im logging into my FB now to pull the dev blog for you. Log into duality on a machine with less than 512MB of graphics RAM and note that even on low detail settings, it takes minutes to get to the point that you can actually click those omnipresent buttons. Over to you -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]

Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.05.26 11:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Stark Furlough Personally, I have no problem with Incarna. And I happen to think all the people ***ing about it are sad, strange little people who seriously need to get out more. What does that make the people *ing about the people ***ing about CQ? -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Azhpol Gallente Casa Del Wombat	Posted - 2011.05.26 11:45:00 - [42] signed, simply so that the dinosaurs who can't handle progress will shut up about it ----------------------------------------------- I don't post on an alt, I post on my forum main!
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.26 11:50:00 - [43] I wasn't aware they had removed the option to have it optional. No reason it shouldn't be, except to force players to use it, or make it an immersive experience for new players, by placing them in that environment first, with no option. So make it optional to not use CQ, by pushing a button that says no. Like so: Q: Enter CQ? A: No! Personally, i'm not going to use it until it has somethinbg t o back it up and give it purpose. Try it out sure, once in awhile to make sure it still works? Why not. But stand in my CQ everytime I dock, or whenever I'm docked? Not likely.
War Kitten Panda McLegion	Posted - 2011.05.26 11:54:00 - [44] Can we also make suicide ganking optional? A lot of folk don't want it. Can we make PVP optional too? I sure hate when I get pvp'd. Also, please make undocking optional. Ship spinning is great fun, and CQ seems to be messing that up. I've not seen any demos showing that ship spinning is still possible on the hologram or in the hangar. OH WAIT! It wouldn't be an equal environment for everyone if those things were optional. Same goes with Incarna. Not supported. "Here's your sign..."
Ghurthe	Posted - 2011.05.26 12:03:00 - [45] Originally by: War Kitten Can we also make suicide ganking optional? A lot of folk don't want it. Can we make PVP optional too? I sure hate when I get pvp'd. Also, please make undocking optional. Ship spinning is great fun, and CQ seems to be messing that up. I've not seen any demos showing that ship spinning is still possible on the hologram or in the hangar. OH WAIT! It wouldn't be an equal environment for everyone if those things were optional. Same goes with Incarna. Not supported. Actually, it's significantly different. This is more like being able to disable the intro video at every log in because not everyone wants to watch the pretty cutscene every time they log in.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.05.26 12:20:00 - [46] Originally by: War Kitten Can we also make suicide ganking optional? A lot of folk don't want it. Can we make PVP optional too? I sure hate when I get pvp'd. Also, please make undocking optional. Ship spinning is great fun, and CQ seems to be messing that up. I've not seen any demos showing that ship spinning is still possible on the hologram or in the hangar. OH WAIT! It wouldn't be an equal environment for everyone if those things were optional. Same goes with Incarna. Not supported. Undocking IS optional... ever heard of station trading? you have a choice of whether or not you do certain things in eve, like missioning, or mining. atm incarna has no content, if/when it gains content that people want to use, people can choose whether or not to take part in it (whether we automatically appear in CQ or not). CCP can't make people use incarna, all they can do is make people load it. Making it optional hurts no-one and does nothing to make eve unequal. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
TheLostPenguin	Posted - 2011.05.26 15:58:00 - [47] Supported for sure, there's no good reason for this NOT to be optional, those saying it makes more work for CCP seem to be ignoring that this has already been implemented in the earlier version shown, then REMOVED for whatever reason Simple checkbox for preference somewhere in esc settings, and button to load from current hangar, simple, easy, and everyones happy
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.05.26 16:41:00 - [48] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Tyme Xandr Check out the new dev blog. all the station buttons will still be available. If you dont hit your arrow keys u wont even have to deal with it. Im logging into my FB now to pull the dev blog for you. Log into duality on a machine with less than 512MB of graphics RAM and note that even on low detail settings, it takes minutes to get to the point that you can actually click those omnipresent buttons. Over to you If your system is that poor (which mine is come to think of it) then simply tell Windows not to allow access to the CQ texture file (which is not an EULA breach, you are not doing anything to any part of EVE, Windows is simply preventing part of it from graphically loading).
Ghurthe	Posted - 2011.05.26 17:05:00 - [49] For reference purposes these are my specs. I get about 5 fps on lowest settings on duality with these. Intel« CoreÖ i5-650 Processor2 3.2GHz 8192MB DDR3 Dual-Channel 1333MHz Memory NVIDIA« GeForce« G310 Graphics Card 512MB
Tyme Xandr Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.05.26 17:12:00 - [50] Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 26/05/2011 17:13:03 Originally by: Ghurthe For reference purposes these are my specs. I get about 5 fps on lowest settings on duality with these. Intel« CoreÖ i5-650 Processor2 3.2GHz 8192MB DDR3 Dual-Channel 1333MHz Memory NVIDIA« GeForce« G310 Graphics Card 512MB My tower, which I tend not to use, has lower settings then that and I get 18-24 fps. Are you running tranq at the same time? Of course it seems that most of the textures used to not load. An update must have been recent because now it even works on my laptop.

Ghurthe	Posted - 2011.05.26 17:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Tyme Xandr Edited by: Tyme Xandr on 26/05/2011 17:13:03 Originally by: Ghurthe For reference purposes these are my specs. I get about 5 fps on lowest settings on duality with these. Intel« CoreÖ i5-650 Processor2 3.2GHz 8192MB DDR3 Dual-Channel 1333MHz Memory NVIDIA« GeForce« G310 Graphics Card 512MB My tower, which I tend not to use, has lower settings then that and I get 18-24 fps. Are you running tranq at the same time? Of course it seems that most of the textures used to not load. An update must have been recent because now it even works on my laptop. Nope, nothing at all but CQ shrug runs 5 clients of TQ with no problems too. Thanks for the info tho, maybe my graphics card just doesn't like CQ.
Random Womble Emo Rangers Electric Monkey Overlords	Posted - 2011.05.26 18:30:00 - [52] TBH the only real reason that i can see why CCP have made it so currently we will be forced to leave our ships is because lets be honest after 2 minutes in CQ very few are going to bother looking at it again its not like there is really any content.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.05.26 19:38:00 - [53] i like spinning my ship.
Sragir Bushwhackers	Posted - 2011.05.26 22:07:00 - [54] I would like to have the option to load Incarna or not. When the Incursion patch came out, My pc could not load EVE anymore, because it does not support SSE2. Before the patch, it could ran 2 accounts easily. It still works with other stuff. I also read the forums and read how most people were ranting those who could not afford to upgrade their pc, which I'm one of them. ( CCP stated this SSE2 would affect only 0.03% of the playerbase) So now I was forced to use the laptop, although it has issue's when I do character creation. With EVE Online in low settings, I'm able to run 1 account only. I need to shut one account to acces the other. Now with this Incarna coming up, my laptop will not be able to load it. So after nearly 7 years playing EVE, not the 21st of may, but 21st of june will be Sragir's judgement day. And to those, who always have their smart opinions: NO, I have no ****ing magic tree in my backyard, where fallen leaves turn into shiny Ç100,00 banknotes.
Khaeros	Posted - 2011.05.27 07:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Roh Voleto Most of the time I only dock to load some cargo, get the next mission, or do a quick refit, though. In those situations the CQ will be a major immersion breaker. This really. The process of decanting a capsuleer is too time consuming for quick cargo load/unload, plus it is demeaning (that's what the crew is for) and often unnecessary.
Dirlewanger	Posted - 2011.05.27 12:42:00 - [56] Optional. If it takes more than 0.1 second to load, then I do not want it unless when I choose it. Its useless fluff, good for when you feel like fluff but shouldn't be in the way otherwise.
Odin Bannister	Posted - 2011.05.27 12:47:00 - [57] Edited by: Odin Bannister on 27/05/2011 12:47:27 Here was my post from the developer's blog... Originally by: Odin Bannister Filtering out all the crap, I think I can agree with the option to turn off the CQ aspect for those players that don't want or can't immediately use the CQ feature due to hardware constraints. Yes, they should upgrade their hardware sometime if they can't run the new features very well, but not everyone can run out to the store right away. You'll know better than us what sort of resource requirements will be needed above and beyond what we are using now. All that I ask is that you maybe put together some sort of chart or graph showing the users what immediate future expansions might require so that users that are willing to move forward with EVE can plan their own expansions in hardware accordingly (ie expected bandwidth, maybe a card benchmark or better yet, a website that allows testing user's PC to see where they fall if they aren't gearheads). EVE appears to be interested in pushing the technology envelope in regards to game play, graphics, etc. That carries with it a bit of responsibility to keep customers informed if you're going to change something that may affect them financially. After all, you take a look at R.O.I.'s and equipment costings when you plan to upgrade, why would you expect the users to do otherwise? Respectfully, - A supporter of EVE
Hennrik J-CORP Fuzzy Logec	Posted - 2011.05.27 13:58:00 - [58] Supported. Please make it optional. I am much looking forward to character animation in WoD. But please don't abuse our beloved spaceships game as a tech demo. There is a reason I am playing Eve and not THE SIMS. No need for mini games.
Che Biko Humanitarian Communists	Posted - 2011.05.27 17:55:00 - [59] Supported for immersion reasons: I can't imagine me getting out of pod, washed and clothed just because I forgot to load my mining crystals.
Gariboldi Phiron	Posted - 2011.05.27 17:59:00 - [60] I want CQ/Incarna to be optional

LeviUK Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.27 19:27:00 - [61] No thanks. Its horrifically slow, buggy and no doubt going to only become more of a ccp trainwreck over time. I'll opt out of loading the assets and prefer to spin/black screen. Waste 4 years of dev time, you could at least spend 10 min giving me an option to show my dislike for your bad direction, consider it feedback.
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.05.27 23:42:00 - [62] Crossposting a collection of good points in favor of making CQ optional: Preface: I am not afraid of change. I have been looking forward to Incarna ever since it was first mentioned, before it even became known as WIS or Ambulation. What I am afraid of is a loss of immersion, which would be tragic as an effect of an expansion meant to increase immersion, and the high likelihood (at this point) that CQ will not live up to its potential simply because CCP is being stubborn and blinded by their excitement. Originally by: Logan LaMort For once CCP, stop guessing at what people want and actually make some options available for users. Originally by: Ciar Meara The thing that disturbs me most is the big "undock" button on the gantry. What is that supposed to do? From the video's shown so far we have some sort of "unpod" chamber. That is where we should have to go to interact with ships and pod. The gantry should be eyecandy for shipspinning (and perhaps later a lookout over the stationsactivities?). Originally by: Mirabi Tiane Originally by: Fix Lag There was one thing people asked to not have with Captain's Quarters, and that was being forced to use it instead of the hangar screen. So of course it's going to replace the hangar screen. YOU WERE DOING IT RIGHT. NOW YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. I put it in nice big letters so you can't say you weren't told. Quoted for justice. A capsuleer doesn't eject their pod from their ship and get out of their pod every time they dock. Some capsuleers probably stay in their pods 99% of the time. The following options MUST be implemented: [ ] Always show hangar when docking. [ ] Always show quarters when docking. [ ] Prompt to choose between hangar and quarters. Originally by: Barakkus You don't though, you can just leave your character standing there and access the normal functions of being in station with the regular station UI. The purpose of Incarna is enhancement of immersion. As a roleplayer, I foresee it damaging immersion if it is not made optional. Capsuleers do not get out of their pods every single time they dock. There are very few aspects of EVE's game mechanics that an immersionist has to "filter out" in order to maintain their immersion; CCP should not add another thing like that, especially when doing so would be ridiculously contrary to their own stated purposes and the solution is both utterly simple and completely harmless.
Mackenzie Hawkwood Don't Run Naked	Posted - 2011.05.28 02:58:00 - [63] Supported, I want to be able to dock, grab some ammo/whatever and get back into space, not have to wait for the CQ to load, then do what I wanted. I want the ability to opt out of Incarna Bloat and lag and if I could mine ice in a WH I wouldn't even need to dock at a station. Space Barbies/Eve Fortress 2 =/=internet spaceships
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.05.28 03:41:00 - [64] The Real Space Initiative - V7
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.05.28 17:36:00 - [65] Originally by: LeviUK No thanks. Its horrifically slow, buggy and no doubt going to only become more of a ccp trainwreck over time. I'll opt out of loading the assets and prefer to spin/black screen. Waste 4 years of dev time, you could at least spend 10 min giving me an option to show my dislike for your bad direction, consider it feedback. Those who support please don't forget to check the little "Support this topic" box when you post.
Sepheir Sepheron Perkone	Posted - 2011.05.28 18:12:00 - [66] Originally by: Tyme Xandr But im asking why bother making an option if it doesnt matter? Im not inferring I know more then you, im simply pointing out a reason of 'Who cares?'. Chill out guy, maybe you can start listing your (and the millions of other peoples) reasons for why its such a big deal to make it optional when the idea of Incarna is to make the EVE Universe more realistic. I just dont see why a step towards an immersive environment is so bad when you can still function like before. Sorry for not seeing your 'superior wisdom'. Hows that for for an ignorant post? Better? You're ******ed you know how hard it's going to be to load the station compared to pre-cq? Not that it matters to me lol
Mortimer Civeri Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.05.28 20:40:00 - [67] Edited by: Mortimer Civeri on 28/05/2011 20:42:04 I admit my CPU is a cruddy POS, but it runs EVE and that is ok. I recently tried the CQ on Duality, and my CPU said, "screw you!". I don't (want to/can't) play space barbie dress-up, I want to play EVE. EDIT: Forgot to support.
Tao Zun The Roaches	Posted - 2011.05.29 08:18:00 - [68] ESC->General settings->Check/Uncheck Enter CQ when docking Add "To Captain's Quarters" Button in normal view Add "To Hangar" Button in CQ view Be able to keep them both when walking in stations comes out. Doesn't hurt you. Doesn't hurt me. And I said all that with out getting sand in my vajayjay and acting like a child.
Max Kolonko Worm Nation Ash Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.29 08:28:00 - [69] Agreed, Everytime You make Space Barbie instead of Spaceship - Gods kills a kitten :( Pls CCP, don't kill kittens :) Max Kolonko
Black Dranzer	Posted - 2011.05.29 11:43:00 - [70] Yes. Loading the station environment hurts performance. Maybe I don't want that. Maybe I don't like waiting the extra two seconds for the Pointless Bull**** interface to load. What's that? You want to encourage me to use Captain's Quarters? Then make me WANT to use Captain's Quarters.

Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2011.05.29 17:38:00 - [71] Make it optional
Culmen Vigrior The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:11:00 - [72] Yes, To bring an analogy, Chocolate is nice. Being forced to eat Chocolate every time you want to do some thing... that's not nice. and further more why do i even need a sig?
KrustyKrab Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:27:00 - [73] optional please since I have zero interest (nor does anyone else in our alliance that I have heard) in CQ. Maybe a year or three down the road there might be enough CQ content or such to actually use it, but for now, I just want my option to disable CQ since I don't want it nor plan to use it. Stuff goes here
Doc Fury	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:31:00 - [74] Edited by: Doc Fury on 29/05/2011 19:31:42 You promised us for over four years the WIS stuff would be optional CCP, make it so. edit: buggy forums The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.'
Rellik B00n Lethal Death Squad	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:42:00 - [75] optional cq supported, reasons why are detailed in this thread and many others. . -IRON MIKE IS hi sec lolwarrior-
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.05.29 19:45:00 - [76] they will never listen on this point but well
Rykuss	Posted - 2011.05.29 21:56:00 - [77] I doubt they're going to listen at this point but I'll add my support.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.30 01:44:00 - [78] NOT supported. I like Incarna and everything about it. SIMS In Space sounds cool to me. :) On a more serious note, Incarna is going to be the future of EVE. Already allowing people, in an early stage, to circumvent it will only delay/hamper/complicate its full deployment. --
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.05.30 02:21:00 - [79] Originally by: Ranka Mei NOT supported. I like Incarna and everything about it. SIMS In Space sounds cool to me. :) On a more serious note, Incarna is going to be the future of EVE. Already allowing people, in an early stage, to circumvent it will only delay/hamper/complicate its full deployment. I like Incarna too, but I believe the slight benefit of forcing the entire playerbase to test its features is outweighed by the harm that move would do to immersion, as well as faith in CCP's willingness to listen to its customers.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.05.30 02:32:00 - [80] To add insult to injury, the pod is now on a gantry hanging out there in the hangar where everyone can see you as you climb in and out while naked and dripping wet and overcoming your temporary blindness/disorientation. Awesome stuff. We don't need an "undock" button in CQ, there's a capsule we can click on to say "Board ship". Then we can undock once in control of the ship, looking at the world through a camera drone. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]

Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.30 03:11:00 - [81] Originally by: Mirabi Tiane Originally by: Ranka Mei NOT supported. I like Incarna and everything about it. SIMS In Space sounds cool to me. :) On a more serious note, Incarna is going to be the future of EVE. Already allowing people, in an early stage, to circumvent it will only delay/hamper/complicate its full deployment. I like Incarna too, but I believe the slight benefit of forcing the entire playerbase to test its features is outweighed by the harm that move would do to immersion, as well as faith in CCP's willingness to listen to its customers. What harm would come to immersion by forcing CQ? Ere the opposite, I'd say. I can see it be slightly annoying, if all you want to do is get some more missiles or some such. Otherwise, I don't see the harm; especially not to immersion. --
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.05.30 05:24:00 - [82] Originally by: Ranka Mei What harm would come to immersion by forcing CQ? Scroll up. Around the big red letters, I explained the harm to immersion. To reiterate: Capsuleers do not get out of their pods every single time they dock. Like players, they value their time and efficiency, and on top of that decanting is a very uncomfortable and embarrassing process. By portraying things as if capsuleers do get out of their pod every time they dock no matter how brief the task they docked for, and as if getting into and out of the pod is trivial, CCP is ignoring their own Prime Fiction and setting new roleplayers up with false perceptions. It has been pointed out that we can just pretend our character didn't decant whenever we don't believe they would have done so, especially since CQ is currently single-player, but why should we have to? Why should we have to when the solution is so extremely simple and harmless?
Ronald Ray Gun	Posted - 2011.05.30 11:07:00 - [83]
Potato IQ	Posted - 2011.05.30 12:34:00 - [84] Edited by: Potato IQ on 30/05/2011 12:34:20 . wrong thread
Lidia Prince Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.30 13:01:00 - [85] Edited by: Lidia Prince on 30/05/2011 13:02:14 Agree. Upon entering a station, player should be placed in old hangar menu, with an option (via button in HUD) to leave the ship and enter CQ. Because immersion is fun and all, but I don't feel like leaving ship every time I decide to drop off some cargo. I doubt any capsuleer does (even in lore) . Ideal way, in my opinion.
Nieero	Posted - 2011.05.30 13:09:00 - [86] Edited by: Nieero on 30/05/2011 13:09:05 +1
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.05.30 14:48:00 - [87] Choice. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.
Alara IonStorm	Posted - 2011.05.30 16:55:00 - [88] Supported, my Laptop runs EVE fine on high settings but the new Character creator lags horribly. I would like to use the old station interface instead of running through a potential lag storm everytime I need to do the simplest thing.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.30 17:02:00 - [89] Experiments have shown that there is quite literally no reason not to make it optional. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Morwen Lagann Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.05.30 17:55:00 - [90] Edited by: Morwen Lagann on 30/05/2011 17:57:08 To those who keep going "just lower your settings if CQ is such a resource hog", did it ever occur to you that changing settings every single time you dock/undock is going to get old? Just because CQ gobbles up resources like an over-privileged teenager with his/her parents' credit card doesn't mean that the rest of EVE does as well. Currently, everything in space runs smooth as silk with more or less maxed-out settings on my machine on both TQ and Duality, station environment's even smoother than that on TQ, and... well, bluntly, on Duality the CQ runs like **** with the same settings. Sure, I could change the graphics settings every time I go to dock or undock, but if you think that's something people are going to do regularly, you are sadly mistaken. Admittedly, the performance issues might not be a problem by the time the expansion is actually released, but given the complexity of the CQ environment, and the fact that it'll still be a fairly new engine in the grand scheme of things, I'm not going to hold my breath on that being the case. Also speaking as another member of the roleplaying community, I agree wholeheartedly with the idea that it's ridiculous for a capsuleer to decant every time they need to pick up a crate of ammo, or drop off a piece of cargo, or whatever. Capsuleers have crew and hangar staff for that. In addition, while I really do love the bit with the opened-up capsule by the stairs in the hangar (seriously good catch on not rendering a second pod when your capsule is the active ship, by the way )... it doesn't make any sense for it to be out in the open like it is - even ignoring the privacy issues of having your slimy, naked body dumped unceremoniously out of a green egg-shaped contraption out in the open, what about safety issues? Those who've read The Burning Life know that there are a lot of security measures in place to keep capsuleers nigh-invulnerable (or at least, excessively safe) from attack or assault on foot from the "baseliners" (to borrow the phrase from the Jita 4-4 chron). They're not completely safe, but they're a damn sight safer than being decanted on the edge of a light-pit. I figure that the reason for the capsule just being there instead of in its own chamber as it was in a couple previous Incarna-related videos (the teaser from 2009, and a presentation at 2008's fanfest, for example) is just that it's :effort: to make yet another room in the CQ, but I really don't think most capsuleers would be comfortable decanting in an area as open as the current iteration of the CQ would have us believe they do. So while I expect I'll probably get a fair bit of use out of CQ and Incarna once it's released, I don't like that the CQ environment appears to be mandatory. It's immersion-breaking for the reasons I and others have given above, and I find that the performance hit really isn't worth it on the occasions I'm not going to be using it.

Wendi Watson Organization Too Secret To Know	Posted - 2011.05.30 18:08:00 - [91] Agreed, just as there is a button to exit the hangar, there should be a button that for exiting your pod. To exit your pod every time you dock is stupid.
Kith Kanann Pator Tech Corp	Posted - 2011.05.30 18:12:00 - [92] I would like to see CCP give us the option to use WiS/CQ/Incarna. A simple check box on the esc menu as many others have suggested would be just fine with me, having it on the neocom would be much nicer though. Let us dock and if we wish to disembark/change ships dump us onto the balcony. .......................................... Originally by: CCP Soundwave It's going to be awesome.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.05.30 23:35:00 - [93] meh, jsut don't press w a s or d
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.05.31 01:10:00 - [94] Originally by: MotherMoon meh, jsut don't press w a s or d Reiterating: There are very few aspects of EVE's game mechanics that an immersionist has to "filter out" in order to maintain their immersion; CCP should not add another thing like that, especially when doing so would be ridiculously contrary to their own stated purposes and the solution is both utterly simple and completely harmless.
flapie 2	Posted - 2011.05.31 15:30:00 - [95] Edited by: flapie 2 on 31/05/2011 15:34:54 Ow goodie i need to haul a lot for the corp mining op, Lets get out of my pod everytime i dock ......... As much as i like the idee of being able to walk in stations, i would also like a choice to not walk in stations. I can think of a long list of reasons why i would not want to unpod each time i dock. +1 for a "switch new station features off" button. edit to flip on support
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.05.31 15:36:00 - [96] I'm now supporting this (if I haven't already...). people have made very good points on the immersion breaking of the forcible always leave pod on undock.
Bloph	Posted - 2011.05.31 22:25:00 - [97] I don't see the need to enter the CQ when docking. Supported.
Ch'ianna	Posted - 2011.06.01 17:14:00 - [98] Giving an option is always good. Means that I don't have to suspend my accounts until I have the money to afford a new PC. As it is at the moment, the load times will make PvP and ship switching etc unbearable, never mind how the poor missioners / traders are feeling. So yep, I'm Pro Choice!
TorTorden Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.01 22:05:00 - [99] SIGNED. I left the fleshy masses five years ago and see no need to be forced into the throng of smelly filthy things yet again. seriously ccp seems to be making eve into wannabe virtual fashion show, leave that crap for blizzard. ------------------------------------------------ There is no such thing as good or evil. Just an egotistic struggle for self empowerment. ------------------------------------------------
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.06.02 12:07:00 - [100] Originally by: MotherMoon meh, jsut don't press w a s or d You still have to load the CQ environment when you dock. For the duration, the UI is unresponsive. i.e.: can't click on anything, can't undock because you can't click on anything, can't use the market because you can't click on anything, can't transfer cargo to station because you can't click on anything, etc. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]

Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.06.02 12:10:00 - [101] Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard If your system is that poor (which mine is come to think of it) then simply tell Windows not to allow access to the CQ texture file (which is not an EULA breach, you are not doing anything to any part of EVE, Windows is simply preventing part of it from graphically loading). Denying read/write access to part of the game files is going to backfire on you down the track when the patcher fails. I'd prefer the game to be written properly in the first place. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
WiseMan Ari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.03 00:05:00 - [102] Supporting this. Hated CQ from the first second i logged onto SISI. I have absolutely no interest at all in stuff that hasn't got a purpose, sure it might be great in a year or three when stuff is actually added, but for now there's absolutely no reason at all, to force the players to use this unresponsive POS to do their normal instation activities. Alot of us were used to rightclick on ship when in station to access drones and other simular hangars aswell as double clicking to get the cargo hold. I very often run 3-4 clients on TQ where 3 often are docked at the same time, this i cannot do at all on SISI now, since running 2 clients with CQ apparently requires some kind of supercomputer CQ should be optional [This space for rent] Support the NSPDP National Society For the Protection of Discriminated Pirates
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.03 00:13:00 - [103] As I was just saying, I just played BiS (Barbie In Space) for the first time on Sisi, and I'm experiencing no problem with it whatso-frakkin'-ever. Runs smooth as silk. And what are the silly naysayers on about with this being resource hungry?! Bloody CQ loads (in highest quality) in less than 2 seconds, has full and correct lighting, and everything works flawlessly! Except for one tiny error when undocking: Message: 'UndockWithApparel' Args: {} I'm sure that's extremely minor, though. And speaking of undocking, you can click 'undock' at every moment when in CQ, and you will automatically undock. So what is all the bull about with people claiming they need to walk 30 seconds to get to their ship?! Nope, I'm now, more than ever, convinced that this is EVE's future, and that it should be kept a mandatory upgrade. Long live BiS! --
Gangster101 PureLove	Posted - 2011.06.03 01:18:00 - [104] Enjoy the free game time with your plex and continue to try and skew the game to your liking.... i'm sure it will definitely help EVE in the long run........ not. This expansion is a small stepping stone for players to completely walk in stations ... let me guess, you want this to become optional too once it arrives?
Mari Sinn	Posted - 2011.06.03 02:35:00 - [105] I wouldn't mind if CQ were optional at all. E&B had station walking, and I always dreaded docking because the game play slowed down badly. When I first started playing I tried to get out of my pod while in station because I had assumed that I'd have to walk around to get stuff but I later realized how much faster it was to do everything from your pod.
Azver Deroven Pitch Black. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.03 18:52:00 - [106] Edited by: Azver Deroven on 03/06/2011 18:54:50 /sign This is definately something that should be optional to load, either from esc menu or another "undock" button, 'cept this one would be unpod. Why? Because it makes no sense that you would go trough the pains of having two clients for so long, and then suddenly 'forget' everyone who plays with obsolete hardware / multilogs when its crap that doesnt even affect gameplay to the extent that new graphics did (And by this I mean; Fights became more resource-intense et cetera.). Why would someone not agree with the point? If you want CQ; Enable them from esc, or click that 1 button. Not that hard, and if you dont you still get quick station load (Via not pressing the button), or just unselecting from esc menu. I cant even imagine the pain of having to load CQ on an old laptop 3-5 times in a 5 minute period while hauling cans, or doing something other equally tedious. Not to mention some of us like to run other games on background while 20 heroic reds sit outside a station, prefenably in caps. CQ will only make eve use more resources on background and thus disable, for example, my ability to run resourcehogs like DA2 & EVE-o. So yeah, lets please have it as optional? ---------------------------------------------------- My views do not represent those of my alliance, corporation or myself. Trully, sometimes I manage to confuse even myself.
Dopesick Ice Hogz	Posted - 2011.06.03 22:55:00 - [107]
Gefgarion Askaris	Posted - 2011.06.04 01:47:00 - [108] Based on the crappy performance I have seen across numerous computers with CQ along with other issues I fully believe this should be optional. This is EvE (a spaceship game,) not World of Darkness in Space.
Gryganne Gallente Ambivalence Co-operative	Posted - 2011.06.04 06:03:00 - [109] CQ should NOT be optional. This is a feature of the game that should have been there from the start, and now CCP wants to integrate it into the game as if it had been there from the start. If we had always been exiting our ships upon docking since the game was released, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Azver Deroven Amarr Pitch Black. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.04 06:14:00 - [110] Originally by: Gryganne CQ should NOT be optional. This is a feature of the game that should have been there from the start, and now CCP wants to integrate it into the game as if it had been there from the start. If we had always been exiting our ships upon docking since the game was released, we wouldn't be having this conversation. No, we wouldnt. Because if we would, the code and computers used to play the game would go hand in hand. I dont buy that you dont understand the argument of introducing new graphical stuff to a game versus playerbase with multiple clients / not so good computer. Its the same story as moving from expansion to expansion; When the new graphics came along, something that arguably could have been in from start (Presuming your point of view, I know its not realisticly possible), they let us keep old clients long enough that only odd bunch had computers bad enough to run the old client only. Now we got computers that have been streched to max running the new client, and adding new stuff might get them on the fritz. Therefore its better to not force them to load CQ, and give them the option not to. This allows us who want CQ to have it, but allows those who do not want CQ not have it. Who loses? Now could you please give some backing to the claim that it shouldnt be optional, and how it affects your gameplay if I dont want to use my CQ on my laptop, for example. ---------------------------------------------------- My views do not represent those of my alliance, corporation or myself. Trully, sometimes I manage to confuse even myself.

Ad'Hakim Tahous	Posted - 2011.06.04 12:38:00 - [111] When P/I came out, I tried it, didn't enjoy it, and don't do it. When Incursions came out, I tried it, enjoyed fighting Sleepers more, and stopped responding to Incursions. When CQ comes out, I'll try it, and ask for the option not to use it if I don't want it. Supported.
Charmary	Posted - 2011.06.04 14:12:00 - [112] I have nvidia 8800GT. CQ with high settings - 10fps CQ with low settings - 15fps In space with high settings - 60 fps Definetly MUST be optional. Something wrong with that CQ graphical engine. Horrible fps values. Fail. If ccp force players to use it, many people will be disappointed. And what if i want to run multiple clients... its unplayable.
Salti Rei	Posted - 2011.06.04 17:33:00 - [113] pls just optional not more just pls optional
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.04 19:58:00 - [114] Edited into first post, and posting here as well.... OK so CCP have added (on the SiSi test build) an option to not load the CQ environment. This is good, But not what I was asking for, this helps those who have performance issues with the in station environment, not those who had RP/immersion issues. Please Keep supporting for having a regular hanger view on docking (ship spinning and all) with a neocom button to enable us to disembark to enter CQ when we want. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.06.05 10:59:00 - [115] The return of the option to not load a station environment at all is a very good thing and I thank CCP. :) The immersion issue remains, however, and "pretend your character didn't decant" is still not a valid workaround.
Hannibal Ord Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.05 11:37:00 - [116] I don't want it to be OPTIONAL in terms of "I don't want to use it". I want it to be optional in that "I want to choose WHEN to use it." You already have the hanger ship spin system in place. Surely it would be easy to just put an icon in the neocom that says "Leave Pod and Enter CQ" or whatever. How HARD can that be? You have CQ. You have ship spin hanger. Is there some sort of serious failure in the EVE client/Server that prevents the marriage of these two components? Surely the best of both worlds is better than forcing a choice of either CQ or a permanent loading graphic? I support CCP in bringing Incarna to life and I have faith that by the time this expansion comes, this option will exist because I like to believe CCP know what they are doing.
Morar Santee	Posted - 2011.06.05 12:16:00 - [117] Yes, CQ needs to be optional. Implementing these three choices will make everyone happy: "Always dock to CQ" "Prompt to dock to CQ/Station" "Always dock to normal Station Environment" (with a button inside that to switch to CQ) But of course this is not enough for CCP fanboi trolls, who are already all over this thread, explaining how everyone should be forced to always use CQ. Why? Because they said so.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.05 12:47:00 - [118] On SiSi now there is an option to load the station environment. Unchecked it and no Captains Quarters. Your cries were heard and CCP listened. Enjoy.
Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.06.05 12:53:00 - [119] Originally by: Marlona Sky On SiSi now there is an option to load the station environment. Unchecked it and no Captains Quarters. Your cries were heard and CCP listened. Enjoy. Yes, and if you'd read the most recent posts in this thread you'd realize that although this is a nice development it does not address the core concerns here.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.05 12:54:00 - [120] Originally by: Marlona Sky On SiSi now there is an option to load the station environment. Unchecked it and no Captains Quarters. Your cries were heard and CCP listened. Enjoy. Reading Comprehension Fail.

Mirabi Tiane	Posted - 2011.06.05 12:56:00 - [121] Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 05/06/2011 13:03:57 Originally by: Hannibal Ord Originally by: Marlona Sky On SiSi now there is an option to load the station environment. Unchecked it and no Captains Quarters. Your cries were heard and CCP listened. Enjoy. Reading Comprehension Fail. The joke is on them and every other troll who has dropped by, because their posts bump the thread and bring us closer to 5+ pages. It doesn't really worry me that so few have bothered to support this. There have already been more supporters than most Assembly Hall threads get, and the issues of immersion and optionality are almost universal regardless. As long as those issues remain visible at the corner of CCP's eye, there's a chance they'll take notice and spend the mere ten minutes it would probably take to implement the three options Morar Santee reiterated and/or return the classic hangar view to default and add a "Decant" button.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.05 13:32:00 - [122] If they keep the hanger and add CQ then it's a better EVE than just having one or the other. I don't really understand why this wasn't on the table from the beginning. If there is a specific programming issue then I understand, but I don't think there is. Like I have said in other threads I actually really want to use CQ a lot, I have been waiting for it for a long time and I know CQ is just the first step so it's limited. But I always just assumed that it wouldn't change the functionality or structure we have in place now. The fact they have noticed the issue probably means they will implement the hanger. We will see anyway. If they want the game to be better and more interesting then they will do so. My only worry really, is that CCP believe that if they don't force people into CQ then it will just end up as a dead feature because of the outcry by many people that CQ is just crap and they don't want it. If that is the case then I feel sorry that CCP has been made to think that. Because CQ will work, even if we are not made to use it all the time. It will work because it's different, new and has potential to grow. Allowing players to use the feature when they want allows EVE to continue to be played by more people and has more immersion.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.05 14:38:00 - [123] Originally by: Azver Deroven I dont buy that you dont understand the argument of introducing new graphical stuff to a game versus playerbase with multiple clients / not so good computer. Its the same story as moving from expansion to expansion; When the new graphics came along, something that arguably could have been in from start (Presuming your point of view, I know its not realisticly possible), they let us keep old clients long enough that only odd bunch had computers bad enough to run the old client only. Now we got computers that have been streched to max running the new client, and adding new stuff might get them on the fritz. Therefore its better to not force them to load CQ, and give them the option not to. This allows us who want CQ to have it, but allows those who do not want CQ not have it. Who loses? Now could you please give some backing to the claim that it shouldnt be optional, and how it affects your gameplay if I dont want to use my CQ on my laptop, for example. I don't buy that you don't understand the arguments against making CQ optional. Foremost, change is the Law Eternal. Without it, EVE will stagnate and die. So, if you don't force CQ on people, they will keep their crappy hardware. They won't upgrade to something better, because they don't have to. That hampers the graphical development of the game significantly. After all, with CQ being optional, the entire other graphical environment can't really be substantially upgraded either (for the same reason CQ was made optional). So you're back to square one. Now, to get back to your question as to who loses, the answer is simple: EVE as a whole loses. It will again continue to linger around the lower standards, inevitably slowing down the further development of Incarna, as you can't possibly make every future aspect of it optional. People are mostly rather egocentrical. As evinced on this forum, they reason like: "My system won't cut it, so I want the game to stay at my low level." See, me, I'm different. Let me give you an example. When I bought Hydrophobia: Prophecy, a few weeks ago, I realized my old GTX 285 could only pull ca. 20-40 FPS. So, what did I do? I could also have said: "Poor me, I can't run your game, boo-hoo, please lower the graphical bar for me!" Instead I simply decided it was time to upgrade my hardware and bought the GTX 580. Of course, much like here, the folks with the crappy hardware, incessantly whining about it on the forum, got their way: the devs eventually caved, and lowered the system requirements. Sigh. I would have much preferred if they had just stuck to their guns, effectively forcing people to get with the program and upgrade. Would have been better for the game. With the advent of CQ, I thought CCP had finally broken with their old ways of catering to the lowest common denominator. I applauded that. Guess I did so prematurely. --
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.06.05 15:48:00 - [124] There is no reason it cannot be made optional and I for one, shall miss ship spinning. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Cyberus Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.06.05 15:55:00 - [125] 1 thing is for sure. Incarna will be pain in the a$$ for lots of us. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use one that will display - Fallout
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.05 15:56:00 - [126] Originally by: Ranka Mei Originally by: Azver Deroven I dont buy that you dont understand the argument of introducing new graphical stuff to a game versus playerbase with multiple clients / not so good computer. Its the same story as moving from expansion to expansion; When the new graphics came along, something that arguably could have been in from start (Presuming your point of view, I know its not realisticly possible), they let us keep old clients long enough that only odd bunch had computers bad enough to run the old client only. Now we got computers that have been streched to max running the new client, and adding new stuff might get them on the fritz. Therefore its better to not force them to load CQ, and give them the option not to. This allows us who want CQ to have it, but allows those who do not want CQ not have it. Who loses? Now could you please give some backing to the claim that it shouldnt be optional, and how it affects your gameplay if I dont want to use my CQ on my laptop, for example. I don't buy that you don't understand the arguments against making CQ optional. Foremost, change is the Law Eternal. Without it, EVE will stagnate and die. So, if you don't force CQ on people, they will keep their crappy hardware. They won't upgrade to something better, because they don't have to. That hampers the graphical development of the game significantly. After all, with CQ being optional, the entire other graphical environment can't really be substantially upgraded either (for the same reason CQ was made optional). So you're back to square one. Now, to get back to your question as to who loses, the answer is simple: EVE as a whole loses. It will again continue to linger around the lower standards, inevitably slowing down the further development of Incarna, as you can't possibly make every future aspect of it optional. People are mostly rather egocentrical. As evinced on this forum, they reason like: "My system won't cut it, so I want the game to stay at my low level." See, me, I'm different. Let me give you an example. When I bought Hydrophobia: Prophecy, a few weeks ago, I realized my old GTX 285 could only pull ca. 20-40 FPS. So, what did I do? I could also have said: "Poor me, I can't run your game, boo-hoo, please lower the graphical bar for me!" Instead I simply decided it was time to upgrade my hardware and bought the GTX 580. Of course, much like here, the folks with the crappy hardware, incessantly whining about it on the forum, got their way: the devs eventually caved, and lowered the system requirements. Sigh. I would have much preferred if they had just stuck to their guns, effectively forcing people to get with the program and upgrade. Would have been better for the game. With the advent of CQ, I thought CCP had finally broken with their old ways of catering to the lowest common denominator. I applauded that. Guess I did so prematurely. The issue is not to scale back CQ graphically. The issue is that the interface is better if you keep the ship hanger + CQ. It kills two birds with 1 stone, and makes sense from a Roleplaying perspective.
Merrick Saraki	Posted - 2011.06.05 19:47:00 - [127] Originally by: Solo Player Edited by: Solo Player on 25/05/2011 21:25:33 I got stuck within five minutes of testing on Duality last week and still am. Sure, I dared to hit the "leave station" button after my CQ view went dark and non-responsive, but still. If you add another layer to something already very complex, don't expect either to run as smooth as it would by itself. There will be problems. It is a fact that many players are unhappy and skeptical of Incarna, and even more about the apparent removal of a choice to leave your pod or not. Hell, I'm pretty awed by Incarna myself and will probably not stay outside of stations any longer than I need to, yet I am totally flabberghasted by this appartent inconsideration. There are a lot of good reasons to keep Incarna optional. There is not a single good one not to. Alternatively: make us see the light, CCP and respond to this with stunning wisdom. Edit in answer to above: Because it is not more realistic to just stand there in your clothes seconds after your ship started to dock? Because it is not more immersive to be forced to get out of your ship/pod just to convo with an agent/drop off some small cargo/refit/hide in the station, ready to undock at the first chance to get elsewhere safely? My thoughts exactly. Make it an option. Why would I get out of my ship and shuttle down to my quarters, and get out of the pod, and clean myself off, and get a fresh change of clothes everytime I want to dock off to drop off 1 unit of holoreels from my battleship just to undock again 5 seconds later?
Ghurthe	Posted - 2011.06.06 13:03:00 - [128] People not upgrading their local hardware does not hold Eve Online back from a technology standpoint. Eve could be the most graphics intensive game, but some people would like to dial it back to lower settings now and then. It's not that hard to ask for it and it's not that hard to actually do. Making CQ mandatory HURTS eve online because more new players won't be able to play because of the insane specs needed. Tell me, how does forcing new players away from eve help it? It doesn't, that's right. I already have plenty of friends who tried to play eve and couldn't because they had average computers, now CCP wants to RAISE the system requirements? Good luck guys, this is just one more nail in the coffin of things to eventually kill eve online if you don't make it optional. So do yourselves a favor CCP make CQ optional or start your gradual sinking into the abyss of failed MMOs.
Shandir Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.06 15:11:00 - [129] Supported - forcing players to decant every dock is stupid. I want to use Incarna, and I will. I just won't want to do it every time. Plus I think it is immersion breaking to leave your pod every time, you are safer, and more ready to respond to circumstances. It will be more immersion breaking that inevitably you will teleport to your pod to undock from the station, probably from anywhere in the station. Using Incarna to force players to upgrade their system is quite odd, why does it matter to you if a player is using lower graphical settings than you? CCP certainly hasn't been aiming for the lowest common denominator for system req's, and the game looks fine as is. Frankly, I think they'd do better to spend more time/staff on gameplay and balancing, and less on shiny things. Incarna will (hopefully) be a good game mechanic (eventually) - but for now, it's basically pointless crap. I too, wonder if the forced-usage is simply to make it look better on some kind of stats. I will be keeping an eye out for articles stating huge usage metrics. And for a comment feature on said articles. -
Morar Santee	Posted - 2011.06.06 15:41:00 - [130] Originally by: Shandir I too, wonder if the forced-usage is simply to make it look better on some kind of stats. Recent developments in mind, I would have to say the reason for CCP wanting to force people to use CQ is as simple as: If people are forced to look at their avatar each time they dock, all the time, there's a bigger incentive to buy into cash-shop items. Make of that what you will.

Drake Orias	Posted - 2011.06.07 01:53:00 - [131] Supported there`s no reason it should not optional ,personally i think CQ will get old fast until they implement more of incarna like face to face corp meetings ,running into your enemies in a gambling den ect ,that stuff would be cool. Walking around a cell going "YAY i haz a monacle that nobody can see but me and it only cost me 10 million isk " isnt exactly what i was hoping for but to each his own i guess
Mocam	Posted - 2011.06.07 07:17:00 - [132] Edited by: Mocam on 07/06/2011 07:17:13 There are functional losses from this change as well. Small ones but they are there and will trouble some of us. Spinning a ship, I can fit guns on it and see what they look like quickly and efficiently. This makes "adapting" to the graphics changes a minor annoyance - it's a change so get new shots and memorize the new hulls/guns. Except... Having that ship floating above and behind you, in washed out lighting, makes it kind of tricky to spot what the turret changes are. That big model sits there slowly rotating with no way to control it's spin and no way to check other angles. It looks little like the ship in space beyond general shape. So right-click "view target" on a gate is going to give me a dark looking hull with guns fit that I can't see unless I fit those guns on a ship, fly out, check it then "loading please wait" style next ship. This was not necessary when I could spin the ship in the hangar. For a top quality scout, who can report back an arty fit or an AC fit hurricane... If that a domi is either neut/disco fit or what kind of guns... That kind of intel can make the difference between no lost friendlies or losing a few depending on both the scouts ability to report it and the FC's ability to direct the tacklers. I aborted trying to get the screenshots after about 20 minutes which - if I had that old interface, I'd have had at least 2 races of frigates done with. Load.. load... load... load... slower than before and only because I can't see the damned stuff fit clearly in dock. -------- Tag on the fact that most games are working damned hard at REMOVING loading messages, and masking the ones that they have... EVE is adding it to one of the most heavily used portions of the game - not just 1, walk to the end of that ramp towards the CQ and there's a second load that happens. Faster graphics or not - more loading... I recall when I left EQ for wow. 15 minute flight during it's open beta - I flew over a gang of 20 bashing on a hill giant without a stutter. 15 minutes of scenery without 1 stinking "Loading, please wait..." that I used to get every what - 150 steps or so in EQ?!? I don't like waiting for things to load and yes, I have a "nice quality" new machine on order but I'll still get those friggn loading slowdowns. This seems a tad backwards - forcing a loading screen like this when it's not needed for FUNCTIONAL portions of game play. If you like "pretty" - that's cool. I'll probably wander around a bit myself - when I feel I have the time. Forcing me to load it when I'm shifting fits and the like... Not allowing me to see the ship from views like it will be seen with a "view target"... That I don't like.
Yankunytjatjara Amarr Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.08 14:35:00 - [133] No nobrainer is nobrainerer And don't forget the tactical overview option for solo/small gangs: Ship Velocity Vectors
ScurpuleZZZ	Posted - 2011.06.08 16:30:00 - [134] I just log on Sisi and tried incarna. The CQ looked good, but it still have lots of issues: Terrible camera adjustment Tons of LAGGG, you should focused on optimization! Inflexible character movement WASD dont work fine, you will stuck in corners easily Use mouse to move just make things worse, you will even lose camera control So PLZ give us an option to disable CQ, its just a waste of computer resources for me now. To be honest, if dust514 just act like CQ, no doubt it will be an EPIC FAIL.
Manwe Todako Minmatar Disciples of Ston	Posted - 2011.06.09 03:34:00 - [135] Optional is best for role play. Her is why. We pilots are operating our ships from an egg of ectoplasm and are hooked up to our ships through a neural socket. Many of our station dockings are merely to unload cargo or to escape danger for short periods of time. In role play, you certainly would not be exiting your egg for such reasons. I think the captains quarters could enhance role play but only if done realistically from the perspective of the capsuleer pilot. Captains quarters is a sort of end of day/beginning of day thing, so to speak. It should be optional and in control of the pilot.
Kaelie Onren	Posted - 2011.06.09 04:09:00 - [136] Having it optional is fine. BUT it can't be optional 'just because of preference' in GUI. There should be things that you can do in CQ that you cannot do in the pod hanger. Interact with station people in a pub, take part in station poker games, buy vanity items for your clone. These you need to decant for. You can choose to stay in your pod if you are just waiting out a aggro timer. For instance.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.06.10 00:14:00 - [137] Supported. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Lisandra Riraille Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.06.10 03:10:00 - [138] I really like the idea of Incarna, and very much look forward to it, but I shouldn't have to decant everytime I dock just to get more ammor or some other mudane item. Supported.
Azver Deroven Amarr Pitch Black. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.10 19:45:00 - [139] Originally by: Ranka Mei Foremost, change is the Law Eternal. Without it, EVE will stagnate and die. So, if you don't force CQ on people, they will keep their crappy hardware. They won't upgrade to something better, because they don't have to. That hampers the graphical development of the game significantly. After all, with CQ being optional, the entire other graphical environment can't really be substantially upgraded either (for the same reason CQ was made optional). So you're back to square one. You sir have never even read about the spec developement of games, have you? Games develope new graphical features all the time, most of the time its in form of sequels or new titles from studios. EVE players are gamers and, as far as I've heard, never have played 'only eve'. They buy games as they come and, for most, 100+ fps isnt an requirement as your average gamer is a content tourist. They will upgrade hardware when they absolutely must to play the games that they want, in that terms eve has always been in a kind of a nice position, its been shiny enough to enjoy on more advanced hardware but you could always dial it down for your average laptop. Now lets face it, laptops these days run dualcore setups with 3-4gb of ram, and 1gb vram / shared vram for gfx card. Sure you got quadcore monsters with 2gb of vram but those are costy and most casual gamers that just want laptop to study and maybe play with wont get those. Plus they're not exactly portable in terms of weight & size. Forcing them to use CQ will make sure that those that chose profession that requires docking and undocking a lot will view it negatively. Is this what you deem good for eve? Originally by: Ranka Mei Now, to get back to your question as to who loses, the answer is simple: EVE as a whole loses. It will again continue to linger around the lower standards, inevitably slowing down the further development of Incarna, as you can't possibly make every future aspect of it optional. Because more players able to play it, I see. To be honest I dare claim that if we go down to the path of requiring hardest hardware for eve to run, we lose more than not requiring it. Originally by: Ranka Mei People are mostly rather egocentrical. As evinced on this forum, they reason like: "My system won't cut it, so I want the game to stay at my low level." See, me, I'm different. Let me give you an example. When I bought Hydrophobia: Prophecy, a few weeks ago, I realized my old GTX 285 could only pull ca. 20-40 FPS. So, what did I do? I could also have said: "Poor me, I can't run your game, boo-hoo, please lower the graphical bar for me!" Instead I simply decided it was time to upgrade my hardware and bought the GTX 580. Of course, much like here, the folks with the crappy hardware, incessantly whining about it on the forum, got their way: the devs eventually caved, and lowered the system requirements. Sigh. I would have much preferred if they had just stuck to their guns, effectively forcing people to get with the program and upgrade. Would have been better for the game. With the advent of CQ, I thought CCP had finally broken with their old ways of catering to the lowest common denominator. I applauded that. Guess I did so prematurely. Basicly you're disapointed that people who do not have your fathers creditcard / your income / your low living costs / whatever it is where you're getting the money for your hardware, want devs to better optimize their game? Obviously its not away from you, and therefore you should see increase as well. Im not on the loop with Hdyrophobia but I'd imagine better running game would be your gain as well. Oh well what do I know. ---------------------------------------------------- My views do not represent those of my alliance, corporation or myself. Trully, sometimes I manage to confuse even myself.
Isobel Mitar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.06.10 21:39:00 - [140] Supporting the idea to load the station environment and have a separate disembark button to lead to CQ.

Asuri Kinnes Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.11 23:59:00 - [141] Can't imagine why there isn't an option to keep the original hangar view. I've tried Incarna on Duality and all I can say is "meh"! My original complaint still stands. What can we do "in Eve" with Incarna. Nothing, for however long it takes CCP to "add something..." Personally, I am not looking forward to Incarna... Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist NO!
Pierced Brosmen Priory Of The Lemon	Posted - 2011.06.12 23:15:00 - [142] I have voiced my oppinion elsewhere on the forums earlier, but adds my view here as well. I fully support making CQ optional in the following way. Chose in Esc menu if you want to go to hangar view or quarters as default when you dock. If in hangar view, you can enter CQ via click of a button and vice versa. By no means do I want this from a PC performance perspective. I have no troubble using CQ on my PC (though I hardly ever use less then 2 accounts at the time, and would need to disable station environment on all but one if CQ isn't optional). I want CQ optional exclusively for the immersion that has been mentioned so many times before. First of all, you have propably all seen this video, and perhaps also this one (the getting out of pod part at 1:15 - 1:58). Now CCP have here clearly set the bar that the process of getting out of your pod is a rather uncomfortable/painfull experience... Now, why the hell would I want to go through that process every time I dock up for 1-2 minutes to get ammo or talk to my agent (you can't talk to your agent face to face from your quarters anyways)... That can easily be 10-20 times every day... First of all, if you're just going to do a quick stop-and-go, there is no point in getting out of your ship. And forcing your character into the CQ is nothing other then immersion breaking and unnatural. Second, if you're on war ops and are waiting for the order from your FC to undock... Wouldn't you want to be ready in your ship, and not sitting in your quarters??? Again, very immersion breaking. It just feels plain wrong that when FC screams "UNDOCK, UNDOCK , GOGOGO!!!", first then are you going to get into the pod, get hoocked in, fill the chamber with pod goo, get the pod over to your ship and get it "plugged in"... AND THEN undock... Third, if you absolutely have no desire to leave your pod at all, why should you be forced to. Now... I'm not against Captains Quarters or walking in stations. In fact, I've been hyped about it ever since I started playing 4 years ago (and reading about it in E-ON magazine #006). And after spending time playing around with it on Ducie and SISI for the past weeks I know that I will be spending a lot of my station time there (I never was much into ship spinning anyways)... However, there are times when you could use CQ (like if you're gonna be spending some time docked) and it would feel natural. And there are times where you should stay in your ship. Just getting the option to not load station environment if you don't want to use CQ is just wrong. I still want to see my ship and hangar and besides, if you have docked and then change your mind, you have to re-enable station environment again and then eighter undock and re-dock or relog. The fact that CCP have only given that option is basicaly them saying: <<We want to force you to use your quarters, regardless of how wrong it feels. Cause we've spent a lot of time and effort making it. And if you don't want to use it then FU, here's a static image that says "Loading" for you... Take care now, bye bye then>>. So yes.... I want an option.
Cyprus Black Perkone	Posted - 2011.06.13 00:03:00 - [143] Supported. I have serious doubts that my laptop can handle it in its current iteration. A bug free CQ will probably run fine, but really now. When was the last time CCP released anything bug free? _____________________________________
Mamba Lev BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.13 15:29:00 - [144] Pointless *******s, if i wanted to walk i would go outside. I want more spaceships and fittings not this jew crap. ---------------------------------- Bring Back Faction f.o.f.s
S'qarpium D'igil	Posted - 2011.06.13 20:59:00 - [145] I support making the CQ optional. Let us dock into the normal hanger and then go to the CQ only if when want to!!
xian2	Posted - 2011.06.14 01:30:00 - [146] Originally by: Lisandra Riraille I really like the idea of Incarna, and very much look forward to it, but I shouldn't have to decant everytime I dock just to get more ammor or some other mudane item. Supported. My thoughts exactly. +1 and supported!
LordElfa Golden Lyon Warriors	Posted - 2011.06.14 01:46:00 - [147] Agreed. I'm not against Incarna or CQ, but you should be able to dock normal as before and then choose whether or not to leave your capsule and enter CQ. òòòòòòò CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do.
Naomi Knight	Posted - 2011.06.14 11:16:00 - [148] Originally by: Isobel Mitar Supporting the idea to load the station environment and have a separate disembark button to lead to CQ. this
Erim Solfara inFluX.	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:18:00 - [149] Supported, immersion breaking and lore-bastardizing. Love Incarna, hate CQ.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.15 05:27:00 - [150] I like Incarna and looking forward to it since I heard about it (Nov 05). The prospect of finally interacting with my corpmates in a lounge or just sitting on the sofa while logged in is exciting. That said, because of usability AND immersion breaking issues, I don't support the mandatory-ness of what is currently known as Incarna/CaptainsQuarters. Make it optional until you addressed those issues. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!

I'thari	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:34:00 - [151] My guess it'll end up as "excellence" threads...
Natalie Dorgiers	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:54:00 - [152] Originally by: Kaelie Onren Having it optional is fine. BUT it can't be optional 'just because of preference' in GUI. There should be things that you can do in CQ that you cannot do in the pod hanger. Interact with station people in a pub, take part in station poker games, buy vanity items for your clone. These you need to decant for. Have you never had a cell phone? Heard of video poker? Online shopping? Suddenly we lose these technologies when we develop interstellar flight? As it stands, I can chat with people from across the star cluster, but things from anywhere in the region. WTF would I suddenly need to be there in person!? Yes, to interact using our avatars should require leaving the pod. Playing poker with physical paper cards probably should. Maybe the Aurum clothes are so ridiculously fancy (probably cost as much as a mid-size ship don't forget) that the tailor absolutely must measure me in person with absurdly high-precision instruments. But even then, one measurement should be enough. I'm a clone of a clone of a clone. I will be physically identical every time my tailor sees me, and I'm sure his futuristic computer has the space for the few dozen bytes needed to store my measurements.
Fon Revedhort Monks of War DarkSide.	Posted - 2011.06.15 19:15:00 - [153] --- Originally by: CCP Greyscale Is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?
Salomei	Posted - 2011.06.15 20:44:00 - [154] My computer won't be an issue at all. I might even walk around occasionally. But for immersion and simplicity's sake, it's best to stick to the lore and let the capsuleer decide whether what needs to be done is worth leaving the pod for. People are interested in leaving the pods because the chronicles described it as a thing we sometimes do. Alternatively, why not just go nuts with it and give us a frogger-like mini game that represent pushing our cargo around on the deck! Watch out for that sleeping janitor! Give us a Kinect extension that forces us to gesture eat virtual hamburgers before undocking so our character won't starve! (Screw you so hard if you take that seriously) +1 for hanger by default, HUD button to decant.
Kerrisone	Posted - 2011.06.16 00:06:00 - [155] Grr.
Carol June	Posted - 2011.06.16 03:46:00 - [156] Supported.
Eclorc	Posted - 2011.06.16 09:15:00 - [157] +1 for optional decanting
Sellendis The Ares project	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:18:00 - [158] I agree. Let us choose CQ or hangar view (static also if anyone wants it). Dont just cut us off CCP. CQ eats 90%+ of my CPU and GPU while in space EVE hangs at around 35-40% (both CPU & GPU). While i could live with increased req. for the game, show us you care for your customers by not kicking hangar view out. We like our hangar views, ship spinning, looking from all angles and enjoying it.
SHADOWVOX NECESSARY RESPONSE	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:24:00 - [159] Edited by: SHADOWVOX on 16/06/2011 18:24:23 I actually love ship spinning in Hangars
Mr Popeil	Posted - 2011.06.16 18:33:00 - [160] Edited by: Mr Popeil on 16/06/2011 18:32:54 +1 also stop ruining my game

Xonus Calimar CaeIum Incognitum	Posted - 2011.06.16 21:19:00 - [161] Until I hear a good reason as to why the CQ is replacing the old hanger, I support this. I don't have any trouble running it (as it presently exists on SiSi), but I can't think of a (gameplay/technical/lore) reason why the CQ would be mandatory. If CCP has one, I would love to hear it.
Aessaya Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:50:00 - [162] Support this. Also, as someone else in other thread noted, there is no point storyline/immersion-wise in deploying a capsuleer from his/her capsule (which is supposed to be a tedious process) every time he/she docks and throwning the said capsuleer back into the pod upon undocking, especially if he/she docked just to change the ship. Make it optional, with a button "enter CQ" or something like that, while retaining the hangar view we're used to while not in CQ for those who like shipspinning (or are just passing by to take some wares from the hangar and are in no way interested in renting a fully-fledged CQ because their visit qwill be _really_ short).
Vincent Mayer West Genetics	Posted - 2011.06.17 06:50:00 - [163] Supported. I want it to be an optional feature like it was in the very first preview of it at fanfest some years ago. Its pretty much impossible to run multiple clients across 2 monitors now with CQ, even if only 1 is docked and the other is in space. massive FPS hit. and i am not a fan of a static BG image with an overlayed UI.
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred	Posted - 2011.06.17 23:41:00 - [164] It SHOULD be so, but knowing ccp and past screwups, it won't be. -
Vaschel Novak	Posted - 2011.06.18 01:40:00 - [165] iirc, CCP said somewhere that, at least initially, CQ will be optional
Dante024781 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.06.18 04:15:00 - [166] Signed
Commissar Kate Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.06.18 14:22:00 - [167] Supported, please give us an disembark capsule option. It makes sense and I think is the ultimate solution to satisfy the majority of players on the issue at hand.
Sader Rykane Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.19 03:05:00 - [168] I actually like the CQ; but more options are good.
Halcyon Ingenium Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.06.19 09:43:00 - [169] I like Incarna, but I don't want it to have its way with me. /signed
Samuel Wess	Posted - 2011.06.19 10:11:00 - [170] CQ ruined my game experience, I logged on SISI to test something and i had to log off after 5 minutes. And not because of technical problems but because of anoying game experience! Out of the topic, I love this game and ive been playing for 4 years now and i dont like the way is going, making it more and more 'stupid user friendly' each day to become like one of the milion user mmorpgs on market, and that only ruins the game experience for the player base that is here for other reasons. /signed me

Chloe Ordimus	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:53:00 - [171] Supported
Wyvern Eden Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:54:00 - [172] Please CCP, make CQ OPTIONAL.
Rebel sTuFF Rebel Inc	Posted - 2011.06.19 14:58:00 - [173] Please make CQ an optional feature where u don't need to go by default after logging in. Cheers, Rebel ----- Recruiting Trading
Geksz	Posted - 2011.06.19 23:58:00 - [174] Edited by: Geksz on 19/06/2011 23:58:54 Please CCP make CQ optional, and leave the hangar view in!
von Diel The Tuskers	Posted - 2011.06.20 00:06:00 - [175] Supported. Not that they'll listen, but you know.
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.20 05:24:00 - [176] I would hate to see the hangar view lost forever, I believe CCP is making a very very BIG mistake
Omira Tan	Posted - 2011.06.20 05:48:00 - [177] Originally by: Vaschel Novak iirc, CCP said somewhere that, at least initially, CQ will be optional Far as I heard, you'll get a fixed (ironically also called 'stationary') image of a hangar, when you choose not to load CQ. No more spinning in station, boys and girls. :(
AkJon Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.20 07:10:00 - [178] No brainer. Supported.
rimpula Rehtirepen pisnes ja pilkkiseura	Posted - 2011.06.20 11:50:00 - [179]
Shandir Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.20 14:33:00 - [180] +1 to optional CQ, button to decant, OLD HANGAR VIEW remaining. -

Charlie Jacobson	Posted - 2011.06.20 15:24:00 - [181] Yes, please. If the test server is any indication, the current implementation of captain's quarters is just useless fluff.
Rui Morin	Posted - 2011.06.20 20:05:00 - [182] Originally by: Wendi Watson Agreed, just as there is a button to exit the hangar, there should be a button that for exiting your pod. To exit your pod every time you dock is stupid. This tbh. You should dock normally, as you do now into the hangar view you see now and then have a second button to exit pod and go into your CQ. Doesn't sound unreasonable and gets round two issues: 1. The foolishness of getting out of your ship every single time you dock. Oh I need to get out of my ship now cos I left hangar without my repair paste and had to go back for it. Sorry, that is daft. 2. People who do not want to or can't run the CQ or are running multiple clients are free not to unpod.
Smoking Blunts	Posted - 2011.06.20 23:24:00 - [183] Originally by: Rui Morin Originally by: Wendi Watson Agreed, just as there is a button to exit the hangar, there should be a button that for exiting your pod. To exit your pod every time you dock is stupid. This tbh. You should dock normally, as you do now into the hangar view you see now and then have a second button to exit pod and go into your CQ. Doesn't sound unreasonable and gets round two issues: 1. The foolishness of getting out of your ship every single time you dock. Oh I need to get out of my ship now cos I left hangar without my repair paste and had to go back for it. Sorry, that is daft. 2. People who do not want to or can't run the CQ or are running multiple clients are free not to unpod. this. why teh hell do i need to get out of my ship to unload it. what a stupid idea.
Kala Randar	Posted - 2011.06.21 03:00:00 - [184] I am already dreading the long waiting times I will have undocking and redocking everytime I just want to do something as simple as repair....
Nikki Sanderson	Posted - 2011.06.21 06:59:00 - [185] Strongly supported. Just give us the hangar and add a new button next to "Undock" - make it "Unpod" and upon clicking it loads CQ. I really don't get why my pilot would see the need to leave his pod and get dressed everytime he docks just to reship or load/unload cargo All RP aside, the hangar view is the most practical for your typical everyday spaceship action needs, and there is no good reason to remove it.
Della Monk Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:11:00 - [186] Right-click > Leave pod Right next to the leave ship item. It's not that hard, for ****'s sake.
Milo Caman Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.21 14:36:00 - [187] +1 to the option. I don't want to have to **** around with 30 second load times when I want to switch a ship out quickly. Why this is being forced, I don't know, because it's certainly a downgrade on what we have currently. ---
Azuse Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:38:00 - [188] Sadly you've made 2 errors. 1. The disable option is not disable, it's have a nice brown wall paper. It should have been disable, bring back old hanger (for which the models still exist) 2. Resource hog. Making my pc use more juice while afk in station than the most intense fleet fight is bad. My alt sped much of it's time afk in station, increasing my power bill by a factor of 4/5 is just not viable for me - for laptops it's simply not possible. This complete oversight will cost you subs (before plex increase is factored in). 3. Who likes brown wall paper? I mean of all the colours a designer could choose, brown? -------------------------
Zleon Leigh	Posted - 2011.06.21 23:55:00 - [189] Edited by: Zleon Leigh on 21/06/2011 23:55:52 Supported. Keep WiS optional and bring back spinning in hanger.
Ceq Lysander	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:04:00 - [190] I like it, I'll probably leave it turned on with one or two of the machines I play on, but want to keep it disabled on my laptop for performance reasons. I want the option to go ship spinning back too!

Juziri	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:19:00 - [191] Make it really optional, don't force everyone to use unfinished crap which burns out graphic cards or sit in front of an ugly wallpaper.
Ejit STD contractors	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:22:00 - [192] CQ is fail. I want to spin my ship and turn all that stuff off.
mobius nm Imperativa	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:23:00 - [193] Plus ****ing 1 There needs to be a commitment from CCP for a permanent solution to this nonsense. In its current form, a non-gameplay element in influencing gameplay (docking loading times, number of clients running). This is not acceptable.
usrevenge	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:30:00 - [194]
TheDoctorUK BSC LEGION Split Infinity.	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:32:00 - [195] Thanks CCP! Now instead of paying CCP for eve I have to buy plex and save up to buy new gfx card to play eve. Well done, and for that 4th account I was going to open, all ready thinking of liquidating the 3rd account and going back to 2. To cut my electric bill, WHEN DOCKED!
FunzzeR The Wyld Hunt Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:37:00 - [196] Yes, please make this rubbish optional PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Laoire Maguidhir	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:49:00 - [197] Edited by: Laoire Maguidhir on 22/06/2011 00:50:21 I would love to be able to opt out of CQ for the old interface. It brings nothing to the game that I can see and if I uncheck load station enviro I have to open fittings to see what ship I'm in. Disappointing at best.
heyItradestuff	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:49:00 - [198] bad cq is bad
Messy Beaver	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:51:00 - [199] -1 account because my barely 1 year old computer struggles to run 2 eve clients at the same time. I think CCP will be saving lots of players RL cash when there is no sense to most people running more than one. With one expansion CCP have turned EVE into a high end game. Some are complaining about how high the vanity items cost, imo they aren't high enough with the amount of secondary accounts you are about to lose.
MartyMorgy Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:51:00 - [200] Edited by: MartyMorgy on 22/06/2011 00:51:36 Terrible, make optional.

Wasted Skillpoints	Posted - 2011.06.22 00:55:00 - [201] Please keep your crap expansions away from the actual eve gameplay.
Lordofpanda	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:02:00 - [202] I want to ship spin again
Hemo Toxine	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:03:00 - [203] Hey CCP, I'm not living in North Alaska, I don't need something to warm my flat !!! My McBookpro will melt because of your crappy CQ !!! Useless, power-consuming, laptop killer. Want my old hangar view too !!!
DosCocacolasPorFavor	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:08:00 - [204] I'd rather have the old hangar back even if i can run it smoothly or not :/ <3 Old Hangar
William I Wolfen	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:12:00 - [205] Captains Quarters need to be optional. My computer may run it fine, but the controls are clunky as hell, and my whole computer runs so hot its ridiculous. Give me my old hangar view back, this stupid fixed image is annoying.
panterus29 Blame The Bunny The Dark Nation	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:18:00 - [206] should be an option after docking imo
Baron Holbach Ammo and Tag Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:19:00 - [207] please make CQ/Incarna optional i want back my old spin ship view and this is spaceship game mostly (walking in station is nice add, but that all)
Ava Stonlai	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:27:00 - [208] I don't know why I even have to ask for this.
Lakut Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:29:00 - [209] Originally by: panterus29 should be an option after docking imo This. Give back ship spinning. Most importantly, the issue is that this is already my signature. ---------- You get a wonderful view from the point of no return.
zergl	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:30:00 - [210] Originally by: Ava Stonlai I don't know why I even have to ask for this. Because of TEAM :AWESOME:...

Bieber Fever	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 - [211] Captains Quarters need to be optional. It negatively effects gameplay and is terrible.
Angel HUN Spricer Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:34:00 - [212] Please stop wasting our time, our money, and our patience. Originally by: CCP Oveur We. Will. Never. Leave. EVE.
Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:41:00 - [213] on top of everything else in getting rid of hangarview they've disabled drag and drop to "make active" on a ship, adding an extra unneded mouse click every time I dock. I want a de-pod button right next to undock, bring back ship spinning.
Tzeneth	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:43:00 - [214] I agree with what has been said. We should have the option to use the previous view, even if it is not the default. An unpod button would also be a decent fix but still cause a bit of annoyance for people
warchyld1	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:46:00 - [215] Edited by: warchyld1 on 22/06/2011 01:46:28 I want my station spinning back, this static picture is a half arsed solution, that you CCP implemented because you couldn't imagine why on earth people wouldn't want to use your 2008 looking 3d system that frankly needs a top end system to multi-box without burning it all to hell. MY sandbox dosn't feel too sodding sandy.
Agrikaan Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.22 01:49:00 - [216] Signed. But I dont mind the door pic, its even less resource demanding than before, multiple account heaven!
Malice Redeemer	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:09:00 - [217] Make it optional!
Stan Din	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:12:00 - [218] Supported
Malkev GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:13:00 - [219] Supported times elevendy billion.
Hal Walker	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:19:00 - [220] Originally by: Agrikaan Keep it optional, or lose at least 3 paying accounts. Possibly 4. If I cant use them at the same time, I have no need for them. That.

Anijie	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:39:00 - [221]
Jezmund Bezerker	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:50:00 - [222] signed x5 accounts ps: thought we'd gotten past fear and loathing in the mac client but I guess it's back. well played, ccp, not.
Tei Satsu	Posted - 2011.06.22 02:51:00 - [223]
Ven Dak	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:03:00 - [224] Edited by: Ven Dak on 22/06/2011 03:06:07 Supported.
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:05:00 - [225] I approve, options makes us free, not the lack of them ---Archipelago Theory---
Captain Torgo The Geedunk Expedition	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:07:00 - [226] Edited by: Captain Torgo on 22/06/2011 03:08:53 I support making CQ optional. I'm on a budget and can't afford to keep upgrading my computer every time CCP "improves" the game. If CCP makes the game unplayable, then my two accounts walk. No point in paying for a game that doesn't work.
TheTradeSlave	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:30:00 - [227] As primarily a trader I really miss being able to spin whichever little frig I decide to sit in for the day. I'm not going to burn 3x the GPU power to watch my avatar scratch the back of his neck over and over. So now I'm stuck staring at the door.
Capitals Inbound	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:32:00 - [228] Cyno Alt haet walking in closets
Kago Takeshi Poseidon Heavy Industries Co.	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:34:00 - [229] --- PoseidonHeavyIndustries.com Your one-stop capital supply shop, check out our IGB enabled website for up-to-date inventory availability.
Rho1	Posted - 2011.06.22 03:51:00 - [230] I totally agree with OP. It's not that we want a static background. It's that we want to dock, but stay in the ship. It doesn't require any new code, just one condition, an option and a button. 1. Option "do not load station environment" is fine. (if it's marked, load the static background) 2. Option "do not auto-leave the ship after docking" needs to be added. (if it is marked, load old hangar view, if not, load CQ) 3. Button "Leave ship and go to CQ" needs to be addeed to NeoCom. (if it is clicked, go to CQ) This will let us to have ship spinning, which is a part of entertainment that EvE provides, and you very well know that however silly that sounds it's true that it's fun thing to do and we like and WANT it. This will also allow us to not-auto-load CQ every time we dock. Sometimes we just want to grab ammo, drone, or the forgotten courier package and undock immedietelly. Do not force your visions down our throats, just give us choice, thank you.

Rixiu The Inuits	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:18:00 - [231] Supported. Get on it :CSM: !
Laserham Lincoln	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:25:00 - [232] I'd like to be able to turn this off, please.
Lynx Amurie Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:36:00 - [233] can i plus one higher than one? like ovah 9000? -------------------------------------------------- *Player versus asteroid: We win 99.9% of the time!* You can log off any time you like, but you can never quit.
Habaticus Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:48:00 - [234] Ninty percent of the threads in this topic are written by a bunch of whining clowns.
Domania Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:53:00 - [235] I want my old station view back. :(
BandWidthh	Posted - 2011.06.22 04:58:00 - [236] Edited by: BandWidthh on 22/06/2011 05:07:22 Edited by: BandWidthh on 22/06/2011 04:59:36 --CQ optional, supported. If it becomes mandatory, you lose another player. Simply can't play it on my laptop with the station loading requirements. No whining, a simple fact of hardware.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:36:00 - [237] Originally by: Habaticus Ninty percent of the people that think the it should be mandatory are clowns. fixed.
DeLaBu Hive Bound Technologies	Posted - 2011.06.22 05:52:00 - [238] It was interesting for about 60 seconds. Now it's just an annoying resource hog.
Daldreg	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:07:00 - [239] please make it optional
Amatheria Auglamyr	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:10:00 - [240] +1 make it optional please. I'm just here to fly spaceships. If I wanted to walk around, I would play WoW and hang around Org.

KrazyTaco Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:16:00 - [241] There isn't a good enough reason to make this mandatory. Until something substantive arrives for Incarna, this new interface is simply causing systems to utilize more resources to do the same thing as the older interface did.
Kalan Ikuru	Posted - 2011.06.22 06:28:00 - [242] Eve players aren't opposed to new content, but when the new content is mediocre and is released and integrated with all the subtlety of a sledge hammer it is not appreciated.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:14:00 - [243] Optional or bust! _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Coeus Moirae	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:33:00 - [244] CCP please make the CQ optional, let us go back to the old station view. What first drove me to the game was it's freedom it was basically a universe where you could do whatever the hell you liked, and where everything was optional. You could run your own corporation, or just sit in Jita 4-4 and scam people. But now it seems some of that choice has been taken away from us. Not to mention some features that allowed for less clicking in contextual menus, such as being able to drag your ship into the hangar and have it activate, instead of having to right click and hunt for the make active button. Not to mention "Spin-gate" as i liked to call it. Honestly I can't tell you how many times I've spun a ship in station and with each rotation grown to love it a little more. I must say this is the first time in my ever career where I seriously thinking of just cancelling my subsription and going on to something else. I honestly thought that CCP was a good company that listened to its audience but now I fear that I was wrong.
Bo Tosh	Posted - 2011.06.22 08:58:00 - [245] Make CQ optional.
Sile37	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:14:00 - [246] Make it optional
Mr Abstoss	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:15:00 - [247] yes please, make CQ optional!
Akira Samposeppa Arthashastra	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:21:00 - [248] Supported!
Zanderiene	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:22:00 - [249] Supported.
Alakazam Skid-Row	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:28:00 - [250] Supported.

Samillian	Posted - 2011.06.22 09:30:00 - [251] Needs to happen.
Mazargar	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:09:00 - [252] Supported. please give my back old spinning ship view!
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:14:00 - [253]
Greup	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:18:00 - [254] Supported
Bernard Modaff	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:30:00 - [255] Supported! I have disabled CQ on all my accounts to stop getting mad from the sound of my PC fans
Horace Imitz	Posted - 2011.06.22 10:38:00 - [256] +1 please make it optional!
Kade Jeekin Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:02:00 - [257] Agreed. Station hangar on dock, disembark to enter CQ/Incarna Quote: Kinda'Shujaa - the Ushra'Khan Faction Warfare Detachment
steejans nix Black Core Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:25:00 - [258] They broke the single biggest activity in Eve, ship spinning.
Heanna	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:40:00 - [259] Optional
Rocky Stein	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:49:00 - [260] Optional!

Sjugar	Posted - 2011.06.22 11:58:00 - [261] Optional
Master Andrew	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:43:00 - [262] Make Ambulation in general optional - i didnt buy spacesims i bought eve
Missljud Evolution The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:49:00 - [263] Tanks for the option not to load station environment! However you removed my ability to spin my ships!!! Yes my PC can run EvE with the stuff going on, just I dislike having my GPU on 90 deg C and the fans howling like mad dogs, pre Incarna did I run 3 clients at the same time and the GPU was nicely humming around 40-50 deg C. I want my ship spinning back! I play an internetzspazeshipzgame not farmville or Sim family like Master Andrew said!
Ra Vhim Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:49:00 - [264] CQ really need to be optional. Dock to hangar and either undock or move to CQ from there.
CatinSpace	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:49:00 - [265] Edited by: CatinSpace on 22/06/2011 12:49:37 +1 make it optional pls!
FellRaven Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:53:00 - [266] I want the old hanger view with drag and drop ships back as an option, I don't want dress up barbie.
Nerriana	Posted - 2011.06.22 12:58:00 - [267] Indeed. CQ should be optional. Supported. Static view is good, but we want our old ship-spinning
Cire XIII Ever Flow Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:19:00 - [268] While I don't approve of the OP's publicity posting around the forums, I do support the idea of having Incarna be optional. I don't understand why CCP thought they could proceed without doing so. ------------------------------------------------ Recruiting is Open. Please see information and join "EVF-Public" channel
Iggy Stooge	Posted - 2011.06.22 13:30:00 - [269] You have my hand.
Marcos Corleone FinFleet Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.22 14:43:00 - [270] Edited by: Marcos Corleone on 22/06/2011 14:44:03 Edited by: Marcos Corleone on 22/06/2011 14:43:17 +1

realdognose Biotronics Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:09:00 - [271] +1
Tek Handle Biotronics Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:15:00 - [272] Enable the old station environment as a choice! I wanna drag&drop to switch my ship without CQ enabled.
Oljud Zork Evolution The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:21:00 - [273] Dear CCP, Since your concern appears only to be recruiting new players to EvE instead of listening and focusing on us who already are long time subscribers do I think that it¦s time to de facto show you how disappointed I am. I have now cancelled these month upcoming renewal of 3 accounts and only keeping 2 active. The next billing date are about 6 months from this date on the two remaining accounts... Why? You are focusing on the wrong part of this game in my opinion, I did not train Dreadnoughts level V for fun, and come-on "PI" are a fancy way of doing POS reactions and seriously a new currency to play "SimSpace"? also messing with anchored bridges thou restricting 0.0 travelling are not fun! If you (CCP) want me to keep paying for your game do I want something fun when I play the game, in my book it¦s not fun to play "SimSpace" I want to fly my awesome space ship, spinning it in the station while chatting to my corpmates and having a gpu screaming like a mad dog when I am not doing anything are just a waste of memory... First off all, sort the damn lag, bring more "hamsters" or whatever needed! Almost the last thing I want to say, please let me spin my ships again in the station, the static door only shows the way this game will go! Finally, supers can¦t dock (yet), so some spinning still works...
Zirator Evoke. Ev0ke	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:30:00 - [274] I want to spin ships again. So that's why I fully support this topic.
Schanah	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:44:00 - [275] Supported
diaufop	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:49:00 - [276] Supported. There is no logical reason for CQ/WiS to be mandatory instead of optional.
IskPlease	Posted - 2011.06.22 18:55:00 - [277] +1
Skex Relbore Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:38:00 - [278] supported
Geoseph	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:39:00 - [279] I like the CQ. It loads and works fine for me. I like where CCP is going with Incarna. Even so, I do support making the CQ and everything that will eventually come behind it completely optional. Allow people to dock and only see the hanger, even if it is eventually an update hanger interface, allow people to interact with a station as they always have been able to without loading any 3D environment. From the hanger, after you dock you should have a button that says "Enter Station" if that is where you want to go. And I also support being able to adjust 3D environment graphics setting separate from the space environment graphics settings.
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.06.22 19:39:00 - [280] But really, what I think is that you should be tipping news sites about this instead of complaining on the message board. Shame is powerful. http://massively.joystiq.com/contact/tips/

Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:32:00 - [281] Originally by: Tutskii done.. i wrote to them
Ira Infernus	Posted - 2011.06.22 20:38:00 - [282] Make it optional.
Maikl Dzhordan	Posted - 2011.06.22 21:31:00 - [283]
Xenomorphea Black Rise Angels	Posted - 2011.06.22 22:32:00 - [284] station hangar / spinship standard, CQ optional (2nd step AFTER docking)
Militisto	Posted - 2011.06.22 23:24:00 - [285] I agree this ought to be optional. I'd rather have seen more new ships and modules and less paper dolls.
Tichu Tilyon Ordo Drakonis Nulli Tertius	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:03:00 - [286] Edited by: Tichu Tilyon on 23/06/2011 02:05:19 I signed up for a spaceship game I don't give a **** about the barbie online in spacestations. I want the old hangar view back and the CQ made optional as it was initialy promised by CCP.
Treelox	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:35:00 - [287] Dont want, dont need, didnt ask for, never will use WiS. Sig Zone Signature picture is inappropriate. Please change. ~Weatherman
Ryona Highwind	Posted - 2011.06.23 02:46:00 - [288] I entirely support this but do you really think ccp cares about what we as the customers think? If they did they would have listened to the test server feedback, to them we are just a bunch of idiots who dont know what we are talking about. Honestly this is the worst customer service of ANY mmo I have ever played...
Amira Kornova	Posted - 2011.06.23 05:53:00 - [289] X
Hieder Valar Morghulis. Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.23 06:13:00 - [290] Supported. This is a UI backslide. No longer can you double-click for cargohold or drag and drop for ship changing. I've never messed with the test server before so I never know much of what to expect with the upcoming expansions. I assumed that the way it would be is old station environment when you dock and you can select "leave ship" to allow you to go to your CQ. This is a major immersion problem. Captains don't leave a ship every time it's docked if you're just dropping cargo.

Marexlovox Buried-Alive C O N F L I C T	Posted - 2011.06.23 07:56:00 - [291] I like CQ, but I want to be in my ship while it is active. I think CQ should be an option when you dock with your ship in old shipview, example: you can select "Enter CQ" as a right click menu option.
Antihrist Pripravnik Scorpion Road Industry	Posted - 2011.06.23 09:48:00 - [292] YES PLEASE!!!
Laxyr Chamsin Freight Logistics	Posted - 2011.06.23 10:00:00 - [293] It has to be optional, period. Most of the players are old enough to choose what they do and do not want. Regards, Lax
HK 47 TEMPLAR. Snatch Victory	Posted - 2011.06.23 10:11:00 - [294] Please change it that we can decide whether we want cq or the old hangar.
lady cilia Caldari Advanced Laboratory	Posted - 2011.06.23 10:16:00 - [295] +1
Sverre Haakonson	Posted - 2011.06.23 10:18:00 - [296]
Thargan Thegol	Posted - 2011.06.23 10:57:00 - [297] Supported. Button/Switch ? Its not the same to have a flat Screen with the same claustrophobic Picture/sight as CQ himself. Make the Screen changeable or the Old Station Scene...please. And bring back -> Shipspinning.
Thenginar Kharnid	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:06:00 - [298] +1
Baron vonDoom	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:10:00 - [299] Support
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:38:00 - [300] supported (biggest thumb) Ignore me Drone Guide EON 21 & 22

Sam Striker	Posted - 2011.06.23 11:55:00 - [301] I support this because since the Patch its no longer possible to use two clients at the same time pls. solve this Bug (ahh feature)
Maul555 Amarr Reliables Inc BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:32:00 - [302] I signed the other larger thread, just hitting this one to cover my bases... SHIP SPINNING FOREVER!!!! The EVE Personality Test
Foxlike	Posted - 2011.06.23 12:34:00 - [303] /signed
Ric Darn	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:15:00 - [304] supported
Padre Slaviczek The dark fourth Dimension	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:21:00 - [305] Originally by: Kade Jeekin Agreed. Station hangar on dock, disembark to enter CQ/Incarna Yes, please!
glepp	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:23:00 - [306] Supported. CQ ruins my immersion and gameplay in general.
Thora Milies Minmatar Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:42:00 - [307] /signed give us a button to change between the old Hangar (Shipspinning 4ever) an CQ
Si'Andregal Grungolash	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:44:00 - [308] /signed, all that could be said has been
JamesCLK Red Mist Ltd	Posted - 2011.06.23 15:56:00 - [309] Seriously- Design and Gameplay Team Devs, what the ****? I hope this extended period of silence with no PR means CCP is going to make it up to us with a speech Jean d'Arc would be proud of- Oh wait... I forgot, she TOO was burnt at the stake. /signed
okcerg	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:21:00 - [310] well at least don't remove the ability to not load station env

E man Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:45:00 - [311] Not a CQ hater but as someone who runs 2 clients this is needed. ______ Hello WoW players. Look at your toon, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me, but if it wasn't simplistic pre scripted linear mono dimensional game you could look like me. I'm in a Paladin
Hra Neuvosto The 8th Order Mean Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.23 16:55:00 - [312] +1
Karia Sur	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:10:00 - [313] Edited by: Karia Sur on 23/06/2011 17:09:44 Has to be optional, at least until they code it properly to stop it frying a large percentage of the userbase's PC's. The idea is good, but yet again its a Beta version thrown onto TQ due to deadlines. Screw deadlines, get it right or dont bother. +1
Terrante	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:17:00 - [314] +1
Amber Tristan Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:18:00 - [315] I like CQ, looks very nice, but it has to be optional. give us our old hangar view back. "old hangar mode" -> "leave pod" -> "avatar mode". supported.
Jannx	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:22:00 - [316] +1
Adrian Dixon	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:24:00 - [317] +1
Killmeded	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:28:00 - [318] I run multiple accounts and mandatory CQ is inherently flawed and just creates extra problems with no net gain. With the current setup my comp has to load CQ for EVERY toon I have OR I have to stare at that stupid pic (I have heard that this "stupid pic" option is only temporary). The hanger view was removed which is annoying in and of itself and we were FORCED into the CQ with all toons. Even if I want to use CQ and walking in stations I should be able to choose which toon gets out of thier ship and let the others stay docked up and save my system resources. Does CCP think that I am going to move around station with all my toons like some POP star and his posse?? The old hanger screen was useful or interacting with your ship and removing it is just detrimental. There is NO NEED to have to load CQ if I have to dock for ammo or to grab a mission! There is NO NEED to have to load CQ on ALL MY toons if I am only EVER going to walk around with one account at a time ! Forced CQ is a HORRIBLE IDEA ! Give back the hanger view ! Give a button to go to CQ ! !
Vixxen Dawn	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:29:00 - [319] /signed
Cajun Style	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:32:00 - [320] signed. what a trash direction they are taking eve. at least they aren't breaking the part of eve that is in space...

Bibi Andersson	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:32:00 - [321] Since my gpu is overheating using the CQ, and the option disabling it didn¦t allow to us the old hangar view (ship spin) I support this, thumbs up.
An Cabar	Posted - 2011.06.23 17:36:00 - [322] +1 - make it optional
Toovhon	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:10:00 - [323] Get rid of CQs or at least give me the option to unpod, which I still doubt I'll want to unless I'm spending hours in station. Otherwise leave me in my ship inside the old docking bay, so I can tell at a glance WTF I'm flying, please. Incarna's CQs run far, far worse than even five year old 3D games, and what's even more appalling is those five year old games look much better than CQs!!! Incarna isn't even beta quality yet, and CCP is forcing it down our throats, and punishing us with a bare metal wall if we don't want to load it. What fantasyland are CCP living in that they think this is acceptable behaviour? -- Frog blast the vent core!
Cyntharima Minmatar Redimio Veritas	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:18:00 - [324] + 1 Forced decant to grab some ammo or switch a module is beyond stupid. Optional decant makes in-game sense and would make many players very much more happy, especially those running multiple clients. And it will not upset anybody who is excited about the Incarna aspects of the game. Win-Win. If CCP are too stubborn or blind to understand the elegance of this solution and do not implement it, then I will no longer have faith that my investment in this game is a good long-term entertainment strategy.
Pasadenasman	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:33:00 - [325]
McRuder The Pit Crew	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:36:00 - [326] I prefer the hangar view.
Fred Munro Gallente Silicis Luguolo	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:45:00 - [327] For now, i see CQ as pointless, and have disabled it, but now I miss seeing my ship... I agree CQ needs a Hanger View first (Like pre incarna) then a "De-Pod" button to enter the CQ. In other words... /Signed
Eshnala	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:46:00 - [328]
bp920091 Killer Koalas R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:50:00 - [329] So many of the problems that people have with CQ is the MANDATORY walking in stations. Switch it to optional and about 90% of the winers/complainers are happy (other problems are that strip miners look tiny now and you cant really hear them and the fact that ALL turrets look similar (all the same color scheme)). Seriously CCP, fix those THREE things and you have an expansion that i can support. Just to reiterate, here are the three things 1. make the old station/CQ view OPTIONAL (ie. you can switch between them, seriously, the software is ALREADY WRITTEN for the old station view) 2. Make mining lasers have sound throughout the process/make the effects similar to the old ones 3. Make the turrets a little different. Please, dont give them all a dark grey color scheme, give them different colors, say projectile gets a brown color, lasers get a golden color, and hybrids get a grey color (Hint, you can use the same models, those look great, just change the color scheme). Just to make this seem like it matters, about 95% of my corporation have turned incarna off after viewing it for 5-10 minutes. the other 5% turned it off after a half hour.
daint666 WEPRA CORP	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:55:00 - [330] +1 for changing ****ty icons, having the option to disembark, trashing the crappy noble exchange, and at least making the weapons look decent.(frig weaps more impressive than 1400mm howitzers) If you were reading your own tripe ccp you would've realised that the 800mm Repeating artillery had 4 barrels, like the old picture, instead of 2 and they didnt look crappier than smaller sized weapons. just give the game what it needs/people want and have wanted for ages like MISSILE TURRETS :OOO FACTION BATTLECRUISERS. and RE-BALANCE GALLENTE A TINY BIT

Kersh Marelor	Posted - 2011.06.23 18:58:00 - [331] /signed Want my ship spinning days back, CQ totally sux - also most useless expansion ever.
Iriia Nuamzzar	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:13:00 - [332] Although I have 50-60 fps with both clients on, turned off the CQ after 10 minutes. Please, make it optional.
Hajime Nakamura	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:30:00 - [333] /signed give us a button to change between the old Hangar (Shipspinning 4ever) an CQ
Landerin's Secretary T.E.R.R.A	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:31:00 - [334] /signed give us a button to change between the old Hangar (Shipspinning 4ever) an CQ
Darth Khasei	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:34:00 - [335] X As a pod pilot I would like to stay in my pod TVYM!
Antracor	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:35:00 - [336] /signed give us a button to change between the old Hangar (Shipspinning 4ever) an CQ
Mendrik Crest Freelancer Limited Beer and Smoke Federation	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:36:00 - [337] I wish for more options instead of restrictions. Since the current form of Incarna makes my poor machine sound like it's about to die, even on low settings. The door wallpaper is currently the best form of Incarna for me.
Toovhon	Posted - 2011.06.23 19:56:00 - [338] Edited by: Toovhon on 23/06/2011 19:56:34 /signed Current CQ or blank wall are both awful options. Return the old ship hanger! Make CQ optional. Not optional as in CQ or useless stupid giant FU of a blank wall. But optional in that we still have access to a decent ship hanger where we can see at a glance what we're flying, and right click on the displayed ship to do stuff with it. -- Frog blast the vent core!
Rui Morin	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:34:00 - [339] Check these options out for 5 suggestions
Catheressia	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:39:00 - [340] Supported for gameplay and immersion reasons. I like having CQ but there has to be a reason to leave your pod. Enter CQ button from hangar view is needed.

Imuran Zentor Industries	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:40:00 - [341] Original station hanger with option to leave and enter Captains Quarters or option to automatically go to Captains Quarters.
Ebisu Kami	Posted - 2011.06.23 20:57:00 - [342] Albeit it doesn't matter anymore, since the Incarna-dismissers already get quite literally shown the door (I'd still like to know, if this is the most epic freudian slip ever or pure and cheap and totally nonsublime trolling). /Support.
Benito Arias Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.06.23 21:50:00 - [343] Forced CQ breaks immersion. Supported.
thoth rothschild Method of Destruction Snatch Victory	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:08:00 - [344] i want my hangar :(
Skylar Gray	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:35:00 - [345] /Signed. Incarna is a sad excuse for an expansion, especially one so hyped up. What could have been.
Smeedly	Posted - 2011.06.23 22:45:00 - [346] signed. Give me my ship spinning. And to anyone complaining about RP or immersion, stop being a whiny man-child.
Alec Freeman Deadspace Knights Matari Visionary Coalition	Posted - 2011.06.24 00:18:00 - [347] Originally by: Ghurthe In 2008's fanfest Torfi showed us a playable demo of Incarna, it had the normal station view and a button that had you leave your ship. There's no reason we can't have that with CQ. Oh god yes this so much ^^
Delfain	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:00:00 - [348] /signed give me my hangar and ship spinning back, please.
Jack Viresi Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:16:00 - [349] +1
NFrann Phoenix Enterprises Ltd. Hyperion Titans Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:33:00 - [350] I agree it wouldn't be hard to add an option to undock from ship into station would use alot less resources that way. Don't hate the playa baby, hate the game....

Ealric Sorden	Posted - 2011.06.24 01:45:00 - [351] /signed Option to use old hangar or CQ.
I Love Bananas	Posted - 2011.06.24 04:40:00 - [352]
Y0UR FC	Posted - 2011.06.24 05:00:00 - [353] Want to spin right round
Toovhon	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:51:00 - [354] Originally by: Y0UR FC Want to spin right round You spin me right round, baby Right round like a record, baby Right round, round , round... -- Frog blast the vent core!
PVDNS77 Anti-Tax Corp	Posted - 2011.06.24 06:52:00 - [355] Edited by: PVDNS77 on 24/06/2011 06:53:13 Edited by: PVDNS77 on 24/06/2011 06:52:52 Edited by: PVDNS77 on 24/06/2011 06:52:41 /signed i agree to this. i disabled CQ and i dont wanna see just a wall. pls give the option to use the old station feature (ship spin screen).
Aylla Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 08:09:00 - [356] signed!
Tia Xoth Amarr pyROmaniacs	Posted - 2011.06.24 08:10:00 - [357] Woot? I'm totaly for that! Make it optional. Either old station view or CQ.!
Leto'2	Posted - 2011.06.24 08:12:00 - [358] Originally by: Tia Xoth Woot? I'm totaly for that! Make it optional. Either old station view or CQ.! This should have been from the beginning that way! So i'm totaly for this!
Mad Ilya hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.06.24 08:37:00 - [359] Make it optional and change the static view (no station environment) to show the ship and the same UI as we had earlier. i.e. CQ, hangar or static.
Kaelie Onren	Posted - 2011.06.24 08:45:00 - [360] Originally by: I Love Bananas I love your pic!

Decon Ko	Posted - 2011.06.24 09:00:00 - [361] Needs even more support -- This: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1248088
Kenpachi Viktor Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.06.24 10:15:00 - [362] Originally by: Decon Ko Needs even more support
Svante Arrhenius	Posted - 2011.06.24 10:22:00 - [363] pls, ccp, give us back our beloved ship hangar and the option entering cq or not.
Skylar Gray	Posted - 2011.06.24 10:29:00 - [364] Originally by: Kenpachi Viktor Originally by: Decon Ko Needs even more support
WolfSchwarzMond Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.06.24 10:43:00 - [365] Please resize your signature, as per the Forum Rules. Maximum height 120 pixels, maximum width 400 pixels, maximum file size 24,000 bytes. Shadow.
Jess Ica Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.24 10:49:00 - [366] /signed
Mr R4nd0m	Posted - 2011.06.24 10:56:00 - [367] Hmm there is an option in esc menu to not load the CQ environment - Whats up with you people?
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.06.24 11:16:00 - [368] Originally by: Mr R4nd0m Hmm there is an option in esc menu to not load the CQ environment - Whats up with you people? This is a petition thread. Why don't you take your bald head and cut it off with your thin man member.
Lemming Lass Minmatar Lemmings Online	Posted - 2011.06.24 16:50:00 - [369] Edited by: Lemming Lass on 24/06/2011 16:50:16 Originally by: Mr R4nd0m Hmm there is an option in esc menu to not load the CQ environment - Whats up with you people? Wow, I didn't even know there was an Embarrassing Cluelessness skillbook. Congrats for training it to level 5. +1 on petition
whatzmyname again	Posted - 2011.06.24 17:03:00 - [370] Edited by: whatzmyname again on 24/06/2011 17:04:23 CCP: make incarna optional. I don't care for the silly image of the doorway to the corridor either. Want my ship spinning hangar back.

SidneyB	Posted - 2011.06.24 18:39:00 - [371] /signed Also, find out what's causing the graphics card / CPU to overheat .... I can't dual-box anymore without fearing that my freaking laptop will melt down.
FawKa Gallente x13 Raiden.	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:03:00 - [372] +1 Make it optional at least untill it\s walking in stations and not walking in a tin can. Everyone in my corp seems to have turned of CQ - there\s a reason CCP.
Negentig Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:12:00 - [373] /signed Why would i get out of my ship while it is BEING rearmed. PLus, I can't run multiple accounts anymore so unsubbed the alts....
Rin Ji Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:27:00 - [374] Edited by: Rin Ji on 24/06/2011 19:31:23 Edited by: Rin Ji on 24/06/2011 19:31:05 Making non-essential visual enhancements optional should be a case of good reasoning, thus: seconded. the d'Oh edit Let us -simple as it is- toggle between CQ and the hangar view pre-Incarna. CCP should then collect the stats on who actually USES CQ. That percentage will be very small, promised.
Phoebe Halliwel	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:33:00 - [375] Edited by: Phoebe Halliwel on 24/06/2011 19:34:04 Originally by: Soden Rah The new and long awaited feature of incarna is finally about to drip, drip its way onto TQ, and into a PR disaster. "PR disaster" is starting to look like an understatement
Allah Gold	Posted - 2011.06.24 19:36:00 - [376] Edited by: Allah Gold on 24/06/2011 19:41:39 Give us back ship spinning and the old hangar, with the OPTION to enter the captain's quarters and the rest of the station enviroment. Do away with this s**tty wallpaper business.
Pinco Pez UK Corp -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.24 20:48:00 - [377] +1 for ship spinning
Virtania	Posted - 2011.06.24 21:54:00 - [378] /signed for optional disembark. CQ is a tremendous letdown on every possible level. Please, please fix this crap. I want my shortcuts and my graphics card horsepower back.
Malice Redeemer	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:40:00 - [379] I'm unsubed over this, two accounts
Gul Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:46:00 - [380] Edited by: Gul Amarr on 24/06/2011 22:46:23 Support. I don't necessarily need Shipspinning back, but removing an already built-in feature to diable CQ for no reason other than CCPs vanity is a slap in the face of paying customers. Cancelled my account over the fact the announcement to force CQ on us wasn't taken back in todays devblog and will discontinue another paid for with Plex.

Jani Torman	Posted - 2011.06.24 22:49:00 - [381] Originally by: McRuder I prefer the hangar view.
Goldhopper	Posted - 2011.06.25 00:39:00 - [382] X for option to get ship hangar back, even if its only for static view.
Xanthanan Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.06.25 02:23:00 - [383] Support Pay TWICE for a game? I dont think so
Mattio11 Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.25 03:58:00 - [384] OPTIONAL, CQ needs to become optional and players should then choose to leave their ship and enter the CQ (and for future expansions other areas within the station). Originally by: Kade Jeekin Agreed. Station hangar on dock, disembark to enter CQ/Incarna ^^ This Many times a player will dock and then almost instantly undock (for many reasons). In such a case, when considering immersion, the captain/pilot/capsuleer wouldn't have time to get out of his ship and go to his quarters just to get back straight on to his ship again. but immersion and RP aside.. CCP must understand that many of their subscribers have multiple accounts - if these players are no longer able to have multiple accounts running at the same time, then there will be a decline in active subscriptions and as thus a loss of income for ccp. _____________________________________ "NO! TRY NOT!... Do. Or do not. ...There is no try!"
Sajad	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:22:00 - [385] +1 Support
Zenophos	Posted - 2011.06.25 04:59:00 - [386] Edited by: Zenophos on 25/06/2011 05:02:13 Originally by: whatzmyname again Edited by: whatzmyname again on 24/06/2011 17:04:23 CCP: make incarna optional. I don't care for the silly image of the doorway to the corridor either. Want my ship spinning hangar back. ^this Also, find out what's causing the graphics card / CPU to overheat .... I can't dual-box anymore without fearing that my freaking laptop will melt down. ^and this And, it may just be me, but there is something just wrong about undocking while your character is starring up at his ship.
Ranka Mei	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:15:00 - [387] Not that I think anyone really cares, or should care, for that matter, but I've reconsidered my heretofore resistence against making this optional. Some excellent ideas have been mentioned in one of the latest threadnoughts, and I now support the proposal. -- "All your monies AUR belong to us." -- CCP
Danatious	Posted - 2011.06.25 11:26:00 - [388] should be able to dock, view ship as old times, click button to climb out. I dont want to stare at a metallic door or a poorly rendered version of my char. That being said, I am waiting for my account to expire and will be back in a few months/next year to test the water. I'm keeping my stuff, so NO, you can't have my stuff. Been fun CCP, until now.
Tyria Sharken Minmatar Forging Industries Silent Infinity	Posted - 2011.06.25 12:06:00 - [389] not sure if anyone has noticed this yet. but you can infact dissable the CQ if you want. the option to do so is in the options menu in-game. --------------------------------------------- "Only two great species on this planet take part in massive, organized warfare. Men, and ants."
Rikanin Gallente The Azerick Corporation	Posted - 2011.06.25 13:17:00 - [390] /signed

buck herrick	Posted - 2011.06.25 13:37:00 - [391]
Van Muchbetterer	Posted - 2011.06.25 14:56:00 - [392] I'm in. Disembark option would be nice.
Dariush Amilupar	Posted - 2011.06.25 14:59:00 - [393] I agree.
Arimius	Posted - 2011.06.25 15:23:00 - [394] Originally by: Ghurthe In 2008's fanfest Torfi showed us a playable demo of Incarna, it had the normal station view and a button that had you leave your ship. There's no reason we can't have that with CQ. What Ghurthe said says it all. CCP displayed a model where you had the option to stay in the Pod OR to go clean up and walk around. The option is what we support. The option is what we want.
Jagga Spikes Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.06.25 15:58:00 - [395] there are people that don't mine. there are people that don't build. there are even people that don't ever undock. why should anyone be forced to walk in stations? Incarna-as-choice ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Dr Screamm Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.25 16:18:00 - [396] I ll be brief as on cell reading all that is goin on far from home. I have SEVEN FULL ACCOUNTS and believe me CCP if you don t bring the dream back the dream that EVE has been until now, you will loose me AND my SEVEN FULL ACCOUNTS, by d way I have a super gaming computer 8gig memory super graphic card and I cannot login all my toons and play and mine and give support with my fleet any longer since incarna, what d hell have u done!
Dr Screamm Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.25 16:24:00 - [397] I ll be brief as on cell reading all that is goin on far from home. I have SEVEN FULL ACCOUNTS and believe me CCP if you don t bring the dream back the dream that EVE has been until now, you will loose me AND my SEVEN FULL ACCOUNTS, by d way I have a super gaming computer 8gig memory super graphic card and I cannot login all my toons and play and mine and give support with my fleet any longer since incarna, what d hell have u done!
Max Hurte	Posted - 2011.06.26 07:28:00 - [398] Needs to be optional. I miss spinning my ship. CQ was interesting for about 2 mintues, now it's annoying enough that I already find myself playing less. I'll unsub 2 of my 3 accounts if they don't sort it soon. I think "being shown the door" was a hint for those who turn off the station environment - like it or leave.
ion Utama	Posted - 2011.06.26 07:54:00 - [399] Edited by: ion Utama on 26/06/2011 07:55:19 good luck make work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e88Z2yRBJ88
Ruihi RUUKKI	Posted - 2011.06.26 09:29:00 - [400] I support a option to turn CQ off.

Mag Theron Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.27 08:51:00 - [401] Yes, this makes sense to me from both a performance perspective and an RP/immersion perspective too. The NPE could still start in the CQ then move on to either the hangar view/in space. Undocking directly from the CQ should be an option, as should switching back and forth between the CQ and hangar view (e.g. via a 'Leave Pod'/'Enter Pod' button). You could even make the pod on the CQ balcony interactive so it's possible to enter it from there... o7 Mag
Elrica bloodbane	Posted - 2011.06.27 09:47:00 - [402]
Echo Mande	Posted - 2011.06.27 09:50:00 - [403] +1 I could even live with a variant of the old 'do not load station environment' mode, where a static pic of the current ship was shown, as the non-CQ setting. Maybe something akin to the Incarna splash screen. I typically run 3-4 clients. Running CQ on all of them is IMO not an option.
Psihius Caldari Anarchist Dawn U N K N O W N	Posted - 2011.06.27 10:47:00 - [404] Personally I have nothing against the Captain Quarters and their loading all the time globally, but i'm certainly against it been not optimized. Right now on my 2GB RAM, Q6600 and nVidia 560 GTX it takes 25-30 seconds to load - that's just bull**. And the bad part is not that it loads 25-30 seconds, it's how it affects the performance of the PC itself during that time. Even the EVE window freezes and thinks a while to execute my commands. So practically I can't do anything during that time. I have 2 windows usually and if I load 2 of them in space - I get 100-110 FPS at MAX quality settings (including 8x AA) for the 1280x1200 windows. Load captain quarters and ups - we have 2 windows at 15 FPS tops staring at the wall. Look at the interactive displays and it goes down to 10 FPS. On 560 GXT... y'r kidding me, right? It's absolutely apparent that it is not optimized. At all. Totally, absolutely, 100% not optimized. It would be good to hear if the work is being done and what is the progress on that. Right now I just have disabled the CQ, because despite my readiness for the Incarna - it just interferes with the game (even if I play 1 window - it's just hard to do anything while CQ are loading). And to say the least - why even bother to load CQ when I just dock, swap the ship and undock in 15-20 seconds? Just that my video card spins it's wheels up to 100%, cranks up it's cooling system and my power supply unit becomes hot as an oven (650W) and cranks it's cooling from 30% to 100% speed (do you know how loud a 120mm fan is at 3000 rpm?)? And I will not start with graphical bugs - 10 minutes in CQ and I get a few bugs and glitches witch just make it unplayable (like avatar stuck at one place and not moving). -------------------------------------------------- Originally by:** Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.27 11:34:00 - [405] It's always been promised that Incarna would be completely optional. This promise has been broken, this needs to be rectified. "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
Miss Primium	Posted - 2011.06.27 12:07:00 - [406] Edited by: Miss Primium on 27/06/2011 12:16:44 Yes I want the old hanger back ! I donÆt know why but I like to sit in station and just look at my ship in all its glory. Sometimes I buy new en expensive ships just to look at them, and spin them around. Even fitting them out makes me happy, that way I can check out the guns and stuff. Why I donÆt like the current inside of the station: 1.My PC cant handle the character creation engine and station environment 2.I donÆt like looking at a rusty wall in the station. When I am in the station it feels like I am not really in the station. I even feel disconnected from the game and my precious ships. PS: I play this game on a Geforce 6200, if I would upgrade my PC to run EVE properly, then I would stop playing EVE and go back to RPGÆs and play other DX11 games. LOL, and NO ONE would get my stuff so donÆt ask for it, I keep it until the game gets a proper hanger, If I even return.
Princess Luyuan Gallente Os Terriveis	Posted - 2011.06.27 12:48:00 - [407] Originally by: Ghurthe In 2008's fanfest Torfi showed us a playable demo of Incarna, it had the normal station view and a button that had you leave your ship. There's no reason we can't have that with CQ. Exactly! Make no mistake, I love the whole CQ/Walking-in-Station thing, but the "Leave Your Ship" button (i.e. optional) would've been a much better way to do things I think. And hats off to CCP for making this game, it's what PC's were made for! Bliksem! Powered By Castle Lager! And Biltong, Drodwors, Boerewors, BigKorn Bites, Pronutro, Braaivleis and Potjiekos ...
Phazefiend	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:42:00 - [408] CQ Off should return to spinning ship. Not "here is the door..."
Natalie Cerulean Arekin Piggy Bank Arekin Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.27 13:44:00 - [409] Yes. Space>ship spin>cq
Thoraxe Rig	Posted - 2011.06.27 14:14:00 - [410] Edited by: Thoraxe Rig on 27/06/2011 14:14:58 Originally by: Natalie Cerulean Yes. Space>ship spin>cq Absolutely this. I actually have no software/hardware problems with incarna, I actually like it somewhat (aside from EvE being a memory hog for some reason and the cough elephant in the room but that's not what this thread is about.), but a disembark button to actually leave the ship is a must.

Eoghan Gorthaur Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.27 14:48:00 - [411] Absolutly YES. In fact, i dont use it because its mandatory. If i could get in the hangar and press a button to see my CQ i would do it from time to time. Now i only see a wall with a door and never get to CQ.
Your Stuff	Posted - 2011.06.27 15:27:00 - [412] Give us our docked spaceship view back. Insert a button that says "leave hanger" to enter into CQ WIS Incarna.
Attaia	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:01:00 - [413] Originally by: Natalie Cerulean Yes. Space>ship spin>cq Damn straight. I kinda like cq, but I don't always want it, not to mention the time it takes.
Dracoth Simertet Red Federation RvB - RED Federation	Posted - 2011.06.27 16:26:00 - [414] Edited by: Dracoth Simertet on 27/06/2011 16:26:35 Please bring back the hangar and add a button for walking in stations
Banedon Runestar Gravity Mining and Manufacturing Inc The Company LLC	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:04:00 - [415] +1 ______________________
Evolutionairy	Posted - 2011.06.27 17:25:00 - [416] Edited by: Evolutionairy on 27/06/2011 17:26:25 I would love the hangar back with a disembark option, as I do miss the functionality and the fun of it. It also seems more logical not to unpod for every little thing or quick hangar visit.
CyberGh0st Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:35:00 - [417] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 27/06/2011 18:35:16 supported http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Pre-Incarna
David Vanthor	Posted - 2011.06.27 18:40:00 - [418] Returning the normal ship spinning view with an option for disembarking would be a win-win situation for everyone.
Psihius Caldari Anarchist Dawn U N K N O W N	Posted - 2011.06.28 08:15:00 - [419] Originally by: David Vanthor Returning the normal ship spinning view with an option for disembarking would be a win-win situation for everyone. I should point out, that I agree on return of static background only if they rework it in a far better quality. A screenshot of a Tengu in high res and high quality in old dock looks bad, because background has poor quality. -------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
ColdCutz Pwny Nation	Posted - 2011.06.28 08:48:00 - [420] Edited by: ColdCutz on 28/06/2011 08:48:48 Incredibly eager to see this done. Space --> Hangar --> CQ --> WIS

Lavayar Russian SOBR	Posted - 2011.06.28 10:05:00 - [421] /supported
Lexxxii	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:11:00 - [422] The CSM has been invited to Iceland in a few days time to address the outrage over the MT issue. It vital that MTÆs for game advancing items should never be brought in, but the issue over CQ being mandatory and not having the old hanger with the option to disembark should not be forgotten and swept under the carpet by CCP. At the very least, confirmation is needed that the option not to load station environments will not be removed.
Gogenchu	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:14:00 - [423] I would love to see the SAME OPTION THE DEV HAD WHEN HE FIRST SHOWED IT! Make it optional.
Sobaan Tali	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:28:00 - [424] Edited by: Sobaan Tali on 28/06/2011 11:28:50 When the Devs showed us this, they had the option as a button in the traditional hanger view. I said, "Well, I'll go along with it so long as that system comes with it." What's the one thing they left out? That ****ing button. TRADITIONAL HANGER...right now. Oh and, say no MT as well. (sorry, had to say it, sorry)
Sascha Naskingar	Posted - 2011.06.28 11:45:00 - [425] Support this
Captain Bevier Danneskjold Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:00:00 - [426] Supported
Cletus Graeme North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:03:00 - [427] Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 28/06/2011 14:03:29 Originally by: Soden Rah I LIKE the idea of CQ, I JUST want it to be optional. This. Docking is optional. Undocking is optional. Entering lowsec is optional. Entering 0.0 is optional. Entering Wormholes is optional. Running missions is optional. Belt ratting is optional. Doing plexes is optional. Doing sanctums is optional. Exploration is optional. Factional Warfare is optional. Holding space is optional. Planetary Interaction is optional. Doing Incursions is optional. Heck, even entering Jita is optional :D. I think you see the pattern. Please stop messing with my sandbox CCP.
Rrama Ratamnim	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:07:00 - [428] /signed
Pedro Carnicero Hartes Beton	Posted - 2011.06.28 14:12:00 - [429] I support
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:30:00 - [430] ____________ Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!

Shaira Skatan Serenity Prime Cascade Probable	Posted - 2011.06.29 00:33:00 - [431] Originally by: Soden Rah a neocom button to enable us to disembark to enter CQ when we want. Here here, I second this motion. This makes far more sense from a lore/immersion point of view than un-podding and taking a shower every single time you dock up, when usually all you want to do is drop some cargo, transfer your pod to another ship, re-fit, repair, collect your purchased goods, drop off a delivery... yada yada yada! _____________________ "we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous"... insert-double-face-palm-here
Henry Dorset Case	Posted - 2011.06.29 02:43:00 - [432] Fully support the notion of making disembarking optional. Like many people who support this I like CQ and eagerly anticipate where it is going, but frankly making it optional fits better with the lore, fits better for performance, and lastly and potentially most importantly fits better with what all the people in this thread and likely many many more want.
namelessclone01 blackbox ops	Posted - 2011.06.29 03:09:00 - [433] /signed bring the old hangar functionality back. showing us the door is simply insulting. ps: i think it's time to buy me a supercap and never be subjected to CQ again.
ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS	Posted - 2011.06.29 03:57:00 - [434] Edited by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS on 29/06/2011 03:59:18 I just found this thread today. CCP you make me very very angry. People told you time and time again to leave it alone. I've even read threads that say they saw it running via a dev, before it was released to the public, the way it should be...SPACE>HANGAR>WIS. You intentionally did not change it to sell monocles and it backfired on you. The eve community is not like WoW or whatever other MMO. The majority of your player base is intelligent. So now the choice is up to you. Are you going to sell enough monocles and trinckets to cover the unsubs or not? We will see. Don't look too good. I've already unsubbed all my accounts. If I can't opt out of INCARNA im done in AUG when my subscriptions run out. Will resub once i can opt out of the dollhouse.
Oedepus	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:06:00 - [435] /Supported Just because something is optional doesn't mean we won't use it. SPECIALLY! if you make something worth doing with intresting and productive game play. But, However, Also, it should be my choice if I wish to quickly dock up and deal with my ship or if I want to dock up and exit my pod to venture into the station. And as a developer you can't tell me that that code is already gone, you never completely delete code!!! It could be a simple preference setting as to which docking environment I want to default to and a button to switch between the environments in station. I think it's pretty sorry that we have lost direct ship interaction with Incarna and now have to work through buttons windows and menus for stuff we used to be able to handle direclty by clicking or right clicking on our ship. The goal of any software UI enhancement is to provide a better user experiance! Not to take away efficient and regularly used features which makes client interaction easier. Don't complicate things that don't need to be complicated. CCP please use KISS! I'm sure someone at CCP knows what that means. Even if they don't use it!
Ilandrin Yona Allied Harvesting	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:21:00 - [436] I agree. We should have options. Variety makes the game better. ------------------------------------- Ilandrin Yona - Intaki Industrialist
Gevlin Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.06.29 04:25:00 - [437] After the explanation of the intregration of the incarna into the eve's make up it is like saying no you can't go the the left hand of the map. As the way as it sits, you can just stand at your belcony. So I guess that can be optional but in the flavor of this thread I disagree. here we go again!
Cloora APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2011.06.29 05:20:00 - [438] Edited by: Cloora on 29/06/2011 05:22:47 i have to fully support this as a multiboxer. CCP you want me to run my 5 accounts on my 3 computers right? That's a lot fo money for you guys. I have spent $3200 on 4 accounts over 5 years. Well my super duper main computer can run 2 clients at full tilt but FPS falls to about 20. 20FPS looks bad. My second computer can only run one client docked in medium graphics. My laptop can only run CQ in the lowest possible settings. I turn it off to make it easier. And its a Dell XPS M1730 laptop. I can't adjust the graphics everytime I dock, I need to run multiple clients per computer. I can disable CQ right now but for how long? I hear it is only time before you disable that and I ALWAYS have to disembark from the pod. As an RPer I wanted Incarna, but you guys did the wrong thing and didn't even keep to the RP of it. You dock your ship and THEN disembark from the pod. It makes RP sense, it makes game mechanic sense, it makes PR and marketing sense, so WHY IN BLOODY HELL ARE YOU NOT REINSTATING THE STATION VIEW?! ------------------------------------------ CEO and Major Shareholder of the APEX Conglomerate Producer of Starsi brand softdrinks and Torped-Os! brand cereal as well as many other fine products
Final Seraph	Posted - 2011.06.29 08:58:00 - [439] /supported a quick dock, collect and undock or just the idea of a pod pilot should, well, be in a pod
Darius Mordecai	Posted - 2011.06.29 10:55:00 - [440] Supported. It's only logical that leaving your ship and/or pod while in a station should be optional. Darius Mordecai

Hekira Soikutsu	Posted - 2011.06.29 18:48:00 - [441] I love Incarna and CQ but to undergo that unpleasant process of leaving the capsule just to dump cargo in station is somewhat immersion breaking. It is NOT something most people would do because of the extra discomfort for no gain. Also being the Empyrean being that I am I feel insecure without the insurance of the brainscanner. If you read the Burning Life you'd understand.
Uther Tepes Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.30 14:41:00 - [442] Supported
Portmanteau CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.06.30 14:44:00 - [443] /support
Dav Varan	Posted - 2011.06.30 15:47:00 - [444] Supported. I want to see the ship I am in before I undock. I dont wanna use CQ all the time as it ****s my video card. Disable station environment is the only viable option for me atm if using dual clients to maintain the inspace fr If I have an alt docked. Just because I dock to change ships does no mean I wannna disembark my pod. Space > Docked > CQ is the logical anwser. Give us a disembark option in Traditional Spin Ship view to enter CQ, and give it us NOW.
ninjaholic	Posted - 2011.06.30 16:05:00 - [445] Streamlined & optional CQ supported! + Support EVE's own IN-GAME fight record tool!
tojon	Posted - 2011.06.30 21:00:00 - [446] \ support
CyberGh0st Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.07.03 18:54:00 - [447] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 03/07/2011 18:57:34 This is what the devblog after the CSM meeting had to say : Quote: The CSM raised concerns with performance running multiple clients after the Incarna launch where the minimum hardware spec will only support one client logged in when in a station environment. CCP will work on creating a minimum hardware spec that supports multiple clients, but wants it to be clear that the current minimum specification aims at single client with low settings. The CSM helped CCP understand the emotional connection players had with äship spinning". They vehemently demanded the return of the feature, which CCP committed to introduce in some form at a future date. Until that functionality is added back in, the option to load station environments will remain in the Settings menu. Hmm why does CCP have to make it so difficult? Just add the old station hangar back and replace the "customize avater" button with a "disembark to CQ" button. I am hopefull after this CCP statement, but still ... Now the CSM statement made me doubt again : Quote: Captain's Quarters: We discussed the hardware and lighting issues within the CQ and we were satisfied that they were being addressed. We were pleased when Torfi announced that the current "Disabled Incarna Door" will be replaced with an environment that will provide similar functionality and performance to the pre-Incarna Hangar, and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance. While the final details and timelines have not been worked out, ships will once again spin all over New Eden. uhm, so we will get ship spinning back, but only for a while? altho last bolded and underlined part suggest it will stay again ... hrm ... we need some definitive answers on this ! http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Pre-Incarna
CyberGh0st Minmatar Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.07.03 19:00:00 - [448] Originally by: Ghurthe In 2008's fanfest Torfi showed us a playable demo of Incarna, it had the normal station view and a button that had you leave your ship. There's no reason we can't have that with CQ. Exactly this ! http://www.mmodata.net Favorite MMO's : DAoC Pre-TOA-NF / SWG Pre-CU-NGE / EVE Pre-Incarna
Kaelie Onren	Posted - 2011.07.04 04:32:00 - [449] I think they announced that they are adding this back, so I think this topic can be closed. Guess the CSM works afterall :)
Zeronic Zero Core Labs	Posted - 2011.07.04 05:13:00 - [450] Edited by: Zeronic on 04/07/2011 05:16:43 Ok I think I have an idea on how you can have both the Hanger and Captain's Quarters. It a simple system, Where in the client settings you have a "Default Station View", It both a "Check Mark" and a "Drop Down". Allowing for neither or your choice of loading by default either the "Captain's Quarters" or "Hanger". Also another button that allow a player to jump between the two without undocking.

Lowkey Asgaurd Fluffy Carebears	Posted - 2011.07.04 10:25:00 - [451] I don't wanna play space sims or spaceship Barbie
G0rF The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.07.05 22:16:00 - [452] Edited by: G0rF on 05/07/2011 22:18:35 Dock to original pre-Incarna hangar, "disembark" button just above the "Undock" button. Simple. [Edit: Just worked out how to do the "thumbs up" thing] CLICK FOR RECRUITMENT INFO
Black Bonnie	Posted - 2011.07.07 16:17:00 - [453] It's not that I'd never want to go into CQ or station, but not everytime I dock my ship for every little thing. It takes longer to load and it just seems illogical. Just add a disembark button. I bet more people will enter the CQ instead of outright disabling this feature.
Alair H A V O C Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.07.09 22:58:00 - [454] Too much load with >1 client; makes market operations (more) tedious.
Marcinb2	Posted - 2011.07.10 23:27:00 - [455] I'm having serious doubts about CCP actualy using this forum. I got a feeling they have very special one - their own - very internal. One where only CCP can post and praise and reasure themselves. This one was made for us Capsulers to allow us to blow off some steam and live on thinking CCP actualy responds to our opinions. Steam gone... For the sake of this post let's assume half of your Customers likes CQ and the other half don't. I realise it is impossible to please everyone, but doesn't it make sense to at least aim in 100% customers being satisfied? In this case it's very simple - add an "OLD HANGAR" option for the half that doesn't like CQ and not some crappy looking "DOOR". Why don't you say : HEY we have made a mistake treating you in this manner. Let us fix it for you Capsulers. Instead you are trying to convince CQ good for us. That's just insulting. How would you feel if half of your customers cancelled their subscriptions? Steam gone again... Lastly - I fully support the idea of CHOICE in the game. CHOICE is THE thing which makes EVE a special game. CHOICE makes EVE a very personal experience to each one of us. Limiting CHOICE will eventualy make it linear. Sidescrollers are linear Please bring OLD HANGARS BACK - as a default or an option. Do not try to improve what doesn't need any improvements. Best regards to ALL EVE PLAYERS
Alephus Skeppa eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred	Posted - 2011.07.12 00:36:00 - [456] Supported ! Make CQ optional...
Dav Varan	Posted - 2011.08.16 16:30:00 - [457] Any movement on this one yet or are ccp moving at glacial speed yet again like with the promised return of decent cap jump effects ? sigh 3 years later.
Kaelie Onren Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.17 13:45:00 - [458] Originally by: Marcinb2 I'm having serious doubts about CCP actualy using this forum. I got a feeling they have very special one - their own - very internal. One where only CCP can post and praise and reasure themselves. This one was made for us Capsulers to allow us to blow off some steam and live on thinking CCP actualy responds to our opinions. Um.... so hate in barge in on your steam, but if you read banner on the wall, it clearly says that this forum is for CSM petitions, NOT CCP. If CCP reads this forum at all, is a blessing at best. Sorry to waste all that precious steam you vented. Try venting it on the Features and Discussions forum. --Vherokior Arms Dealer Extraordinaire
Dirk Decibel	Posted - 2011.08.18 08:35:00 - [459]
Jhestre	Posted - 2011.08.23 00:03:00 - [460] I agree! Bring back the old station view.

Grojar Flesp SQS Group	Posted - 2011.08.23 09:21:00 - [461] Signed, idea with the disembark button is a good one too. ------------------------- This is so much fun to watch, it's like a kick in the crotch I can't watch this W.A. Yankovic -------------------------


Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 .. 16 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.