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Olivia Berett
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Seems like CCP is quickly returning to the pre-Tyrannis corporate mentality of "we'll do whatever we want **** the players' opinions on the matter!"
That didn't work before, CCP... You lost a lot of face last time, and you made everyone extremely happy when you did the right thing and admitted you were wrong. You've made amends for those mistakes, but now you're about to repeat them...
How come they lost "many" and yet, eve population grew ?
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:12:00 -
[872]
Interstellar Kredits aren't supposed to be for these sorts of goods, anyway. I approve as a lore-geek as well as a backseat designer. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:13:00 -
[873]
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Seems like CCP is quickly returning to the pre-Tyrannis corporate mentality of "we'll do whatever we want **** the players' opinions on the matter!"
That didn't work before, CCP... You lost a lot of face last time, and you made everyone extremely happy when you did the right thing and admitted you were wrong. You've made amends for those mistakes, but now you're about to repeat them...
They are behaving like SOE. They put more value on the customers they don't have than the ones that they do.
If CCP wants to try something so radically new they should be doing it with one of their new MMOs, not one that has been a player driven, player crafted, player economy sandbox since 2003.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 28/05/2011 19:20:22 It's all a scam to milk more money out of paying subscribers.
Of course, you could say "if you don't want it, don't pay for it." But what if we do want it but we don't want to pay for it because we are already paying you?
PS. I don't like you removing my black Khanid ships from the game, just so that you can charge a premium for black ship paint 10 months from now.
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:21:00 -
[875]
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 28/05/2011 19:20:22 It's all a scam to milk more money out of paying subscribers.
Of course, you could say "if you don't want it, don't pay for it." But what if we do want it but we don't want to pay for it because we are already paying you?
PS. I don't like you removing my black Khanid ships from the game, just so that you can charge a premium for black ship paint 10 months from now.
It is crap like this that is going to get the MMO industry regulated by government.
Because the publishers lack the self control to not take advantage of what they believe to be a captive, addicted audience.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:22:00 -
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hmm... if you don't have any better idea to counter this "plexes piling up problem" try binding them to account after one has been sold in market with isk, traded, looted, contracted or transferred to another account by any other method.
This will limit the market manipulation for those people who actually buy the plex with real world currency and leaves the investors out from the cycle.
This would not prevent converting plexes to AUR. For this reason AUR should be made entirely separate currency and should be buyable only with real life money.
Currently the plex prices are going up and investors are thrilled. If you want some isk and plexes to vanish from the game, try the above approach instead. ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:24:00 -
[877]
Edited by: Miilla on 28/05/2011 19:25:14
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow hmm... if you don't have any better idea to counter this "plexes piling up problem" try binding them to account after one has been sold in market with isk, traded, looted, contracted or transferred to another account by any other method.
This will limit the market manipulation for those people who actually buy the plex with real world currency and leaves the investors out from the cycle.
This would not prevent converting plexes to AUR. For this reason AUR should be made entirely separate currency and should be buyable only with real life money.
Currently the plex prices are going up and investors are thrilled. If you want some isk and plexes to vanish from the game, try the above approach instead.
Why is PLEXs piling up a bad thing? I see a churn of plexs on the market in huge volumes daily.
I see a churn of 200 or more daily in Rens and that is just one region.
In the space of a couple of hours I have market flipped 30 easily.
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Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:26:00 -
[878]
Time to start a corp of naked toons who specialize in suiciding ppl with clothes bought with AUR.
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:30:00 -
[879]
Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 28/05/2011 19:33:03
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 28/05/2011 19:20:22 It's all a scam to milk more money out of paying subscribers.
Of course, you could say "if you don't want it, don't pay for it." But what if we do want it but we don't want to pay for it because we are already paying you?
Wow, I have to try this on my landlord.
Edit: And my insurance company.
Edit #2: And my favorite restaurant. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:34:00 -
[880]
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 28/05/2011 19:20:22 It's all a scam to milk more money out of paying subscribers.
Of course, you could say "if you don't want it, don't pay for it." But what if we do want it but we don't want to pay for it because we are already paying you?
Wow, I have to try this on my landlord.
You probably should since it sounds like he charges you a fee every time you want to flush the toilet.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:34:00 -
[881]
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 28/05/2011 19:31:42
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 28/05/2011 19:20:22 It's all a scam to milk more money out of paying subscribers.
Of course, you could say "if you don't want it, don't pay for it." But what if we do want it but we don't want to pay for it because we are already paying you?
Wow, I have to try this on my landlord.
Edit: And insurance company.
Edit #2: And my favorite restaurant.
And your girlfriend.
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LordElfa
Gallente Tri Corp Independent Faction
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:38:00 -
[882]
Originally by: Morar Santee Edited by: Morar Santee on 28/05/2011 04:44:56
Excuse me, please. I would have a question for you - or any CCP representative - and I'd like to beg for an honest answer.
Are you being paid by CCP for trolling people who have concerns?
This isn't the first time you're doing it. And once you started, you just don't stop. It doesn't matter whether other posters reply to you or try to ignore you, you won't go away. You keep making references to people disagreeing with design decisions that affect their gameplay as "whining" and being a vocal minority - but over the last five pages of this thread, guess who made 14 posts (by the time of writing) all by himself? And of course every single one of them boils down to being a huge, steaming pile of complete and utter bull****.
Now, if you're being paid for it, that would be understandable. But could you otherwise stop being such a random waste of oxygen and/or do your trolling on other forums? Because it isn't just that you allegedly wouldn't miss people who do have complaints - it's that every community (virtual or otherwise) would be the richer for you ****ing off.
Edit: Since we're asking questions already.. is Olivia Berett an alt of yours or.. ?
That would be a big no to both the CCP employment and having Olivia Berett as an alt. I'm just a player and one that is totally sick of the negative and over dramatic attitude of the players on here. Don't like it? Don't care. Why do I keep going? Cause I can. It's not trolling at all. I'm not interested in getting any reaction out of anyone, I'm defending my own opinion.
I'm very sorry if you don't like my point of view man, I also don't care. You have "concerns"? Ha, I haven't read a solid concern yet, just CCP bashing and end of the world crying, the same damned thing that is in ever thread where CCP releases info on a new patch or change they make in EVE.
Personally, I think EVE would be better off without you and those like you that treat every change like a game breaker, complain about every upgrade as a waste of time and generally try as hard as possible to keep CCP from making this game more than it is now.
In my eyes, you are the trolls, because you're everywhere on this forum, complaining about everything and likewise, I think every community would be better off without you dragging us down and keeping us static.
òòòòòòò CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:39:00 -
[883]
Edited by: Kavin Alavandar on 28/05/2011 19:43:15
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil
Originally by: Kavin Alavandar
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 28/05/2011 19:20:22 It's all a scam to milk more money out of paying subscribers.
Of course, you could say "if you don't want it, don't pay for it." But what if we do want it but we don't want to pay for it because we are already paying you?
Wow, I have to try this on my landlord.
You probably should since it sounds like he charges you a fee every time you want to flush the toilet.
You're right, this is as essential as plumbing.
Originally by: Miilla And your girlfriend.
Exactly. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
Magaskaweel
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Magaskaweel on 28/05/2011 19:43:01 Edited by: Magaskaweel on 28/05/2011 19:42:27 Edited by: Magaskaweel on 28/05/2011 19:41:10 Edited by: Magaskaweel on 28/05/2011 19:40:49 to the people suggesting to remove the PLEX - AUR link and just have AUR bought with real money, I say, how about no?
How can people not see where the MT road leads to?
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Olivia Berett
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:41:00 -
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If you dont want to pay, just dont. LoL
I like playing EVE and I think that this changes wont impact the virtual eve life of many people using Aur, not using it. The only thing that could be better would be CQ not being the default hangar style. This condition still affecting everyone.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:41:00 -
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Since we now have 3 (THREE) currencies in Eve. why not have one for EACH RACE?
Caldari ISK, Minmatar ISK, Amarr ISK and Galanteean ISK.
May aswell add more.
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:42:00 -
[887]
Originally by: Miilla
Since we now have 3 (THREE) currencies in Eve. why not have one for EACH RACE?
Caldari ISK, Minmatar ISK, Amarr ISK and Galanteean ISK.
May aswell add more.
The clue is in the acronym. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
kilohertz
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:43:00 -
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I spent a good solid 12 hours on Duality playing with the changes so far so this is my opinion on what I've seen so far.
I'm not going to comment on the whole AUR issue because the fact that we're seeing a test build so far along means that the decision to implement this has already been made.
1.) How does one get a job being a clothing designer for these clothes? I checked the CCP hiring page and I didn't see any job posts for this. Does having RL fashion experience help you in any way? I am asking this because I wasn't particularly interested in many of the new clothing choices and I think I'd be able to help out in this regard. Please tell me who to contact about this :)
2.) None of the new clothing options help you build a look, or have the kind of lust worthy branding that will inspire people to pay hundreds of dollars for a pair of shoes. I know that when I walk on stations in my power suit, I want to be wearing my Louboutins, and the three options so far are kind of lackluster! The design intent is a very subdued and the execution is subpar. Seriously, this needs to be worked on if you're looking at this to be a viable revenue stream.
3.) As a UI issue, the way that the clothes are presented is not going to be friendly to the sims/barbie type of crowd you're looking to bring to Eve. I already have issue w/ fighting with the UI, when I have a station hanger with 300 or 400 items in it. Even with Station Containers and other workarounds it rapidly turns into a clickfest. Separate closet for clothing option in a later iterion of CQ perhaps?
4.) I hope the current dev build is further along, because there's a huge lack of polish on this one! Without being a pessimist perhaps it's time to change the release date so that it's not rushed out.
5.) Exchange rate w/ AUR/ISK/PLEX needs to be seriously worked on considering spike in Jita prices for a build that's a month or two out.
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Jonathan Malcom
Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:43:00 -
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áThis change makes me uneasy. á Because it looks so reasonable. The items in the shop are pure fluff and the existing catalogue of clothing is perfectly sufficient for anyone who doesnÆt want to invest real money in their avatarÆs appearance but still wants to look presentable. á Aurum is kind of stupid and completely broken from a lore perspective, but I suppose utility in the current business reality trumps continuity within the existing fiction. á My concern comes from other changes surrounding this. Removing the current clothing options is a big one. That is a huge middle finger to anyone who doesnÆt want to participate in the micro-transaction system. That is a bad decision. By removing the existing clothing options, itÆs no longer a matter of fluff. YouÆre removing expected functionality to forcefully encourage people to participate in MTs. á Mixing a monthly subscription model with micro-transactions is a bad idea. Yes, Blizzard got away with it. YouÆre not Blizzard, Eve is not World of Warcraft and we (your player-base) are not their player-base. á IÆm very happy with Incarna and the direction in which it is heading. IÆm very excited about Dust 514 and how it links with Eve. These are good business decisions. á Micro-transactions, unless handled with the upmost care (assuming, of course, that you refuse to avoid them altogether), will be a bad business decision that will alienate your player-base and cheapen the rich and diverse world you as a company have worked so hard to create. á This change makes me uneasy.
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Kno Bodeesbitch
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:44:00 -
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CCP owes us nothing but access to their game for the measley 15/month we pay. It should be more in my opinion. They provide a game world like no other.
When you all enter the real world and leave behind what your sociology professor taught you about the "big bad corporations" maybe you will understand the concept behind growing your business and the benefits doing so provides for yourself AND your clientele.
The great thing here is that CCP has listened to your previous wailing and changed aurum to provide only vanity items. Yet, you still continue to whine. Its your right, I guess.
You keep whining, while hopefully CCP keeps making money so that they can provide the rest of us with better content as they grow.
If progress leaves you behind the curve don't blame the process blame yourselves for being ill-equipped to meet the future. Welcome to extinction. Hopefully one day I come across your fossilzed remains and find some good stuff.
I will name your remains the "Whinealotapus"...hopefully there will be enough of you left to stuff and put on the wall in my CQ. I may even buy a monocle to put on you....
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Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:44:00 -
[891]
Originally by: LordElfa
Originally by: Morar Santee Edited by: Morar Santee on 28/05/2011 04:44:56
Excuse me, please. I would have a question for you - or any CCP representative - and I'd like to beg for an honest answer.
Are you being paid by CCP for trolling people who have concerns?
This isn't the first time you're doing it. And once you started, you just don't stop. It doesn't matter whether other posters reply to you or try to ignore you, you won't go away. You keep making references to people disagreeing with design decisions that affect their gameplay as "whining" and being a vocal minority - but over the last five pages of this thread, guess who made 14 posts (by the time of writing) all by himself? And of course every single one of them boils down to being a huge, steaming pile of complete and utter bull****.
Now, if you're being paid for it, that would be understandable. But could you otherwise stop being such a random waste of oxygen and/or do your trolling on other forums? Because it isn't just that you allegedly wouldn't miss people who do have complaints - it's that every community (virtual or otherwise) would be the richer for you ****ing off.
Edit: Since we're asking questions already.. is Olivia Berett an alt of yours or.. ?
That would be a big no to both the CCP employment and having Olivia Berett as an alt. I'm just a player and one that is totally sick of the negative and over dramatic attitude of the players on here. Don't like it? Don't care. Why do I keep going? Cause I can. It's not trolling at all. I'm not interested in getting any reaction out of anyone, I'm defending my own opinion.
I'm very sorry if you don't like my point of view man, I also don't care. You have "concerns"? Ha, I haven't read a solid concern yet, just CCP bashing and end of the world crying, the same damned thing that is in ever thread where CCP releases info on a new patch or change they make in EVE.
Personally, I think EVE would be better off without you and those like you that treat every change like a game breaker, complain about every upgrade as a waste of time and generally try as hard as possible to keep CCP from making this game more than it is now.
In my eyes, you are the trolls, because you're everywhere on this forum, complaining about everything and likewise, I think every community would be better off without you dragging us down and keeping us static.
deal with it.... I pay for my subs just like you do and I'll say what I want to say. got it? if you don't like people speaking their concerns then *you* go away. they pay for their subs as well and have just as much right as you do
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Olivia Berett
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:47:00 -
[892]
Originally by: LordElfa
Originally by: Morar Santee Edited by: Morar Santee on 28/05/2011 04:44:56
Excuse me, please. I would have a question for you - or any CCP representative - and I'd like to beg for an honest answer.
Are you being paid by CCP for trolling people who have concerns?
This isn't the first time you're doing it. And once you started, you just don't stop. It doesn't matter whether other posters reply to you or try to ignore you, you won't go away. You keep making references to people disagreeing with design decisions that affect their gameplay as "whining" and being a vocal minority - but over the last five pages of this thread, guess who made 14 posts (by the time of writing) all by himself? And of course every single one of them boils down to being a huge, steaming pile of complete and utter bull****.
Now, if you're being paid for it, that would be understandable. But could you otherwise stop being such a random waste of oxygen and/or do your trolling on other forums? Because it isn't just that you allegedly wouldn't miss people who do have complaints - it's that every community (virtual or otherwise) would be the richer for you ****ing off.
Edit: Since we're asking questions already.. is Olivia Berett an alt of yours or.. ?
That would be a big no to both the CCP employment and having Olivia Berett as an alt. I'm just a player and one that is totally sick of the negative and over dramatic attitude of the players on here. Don't like it? Don't care. Why do I keep going? Cause I can. It's not trolling at all. I'm not interested in getting any reaction out of anyone, I'm defending my own opinion.
I'm very sorry if you don't like my point of view man, I also don't care. You have "concerns"? Ha, I haven't read a solid concern yet, just CCP bashing and end of the world crying, the same damned thing that is in ever thread where CCP releases info on a new patch or change they make in EVE.
Personally, I think EVE would be better off without you and those like you that treat every change like a game breaker, complain about every upgrade as a waste of time and generally try as hard as possible to keep CCP from making this game more than it is now.
In my eyes, you are the trolls, because you're everywhere on this forum, complaining about everything and likewise, I think every community would be better off without you dragging us down and keeping us static.
If everyone sharing somehow the same idea about things CCP does are alts, there are a whole lot of alts in this thread. Because as much as we are conveying that these changes arent for bad, and people are whining about something nor CCP nor a big chunk of eve players are, there are at lest 10 people here whining equally, by the same arguments, using the same examples and similar words.
Are you all alts of one person too ?
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:54:00 -
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On the Internet, your opponents are never real. More pseudospeciation than you get in military training. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
Olivia Berett
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Olivia Berett on 28/05/2011 19:55:46 Again the "I pay, I demand" talk.
Now we shall argue saying:
"I dont pay the same as you. I have monocles, cheek dividing pants and stripper army uniform. I paid more than you, I can demand more than you."
FYI, that is trolling.
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:57:00 -
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æYou're not a man unless you own at least three monocles.Æ ù John Oliver _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
Vandrion
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Vandrion on 28/05/2011 19:58:42
Originally by: Kno Bodees*****
You keep whining, while hopefully CCP keeps making money so that they can provide the rest of us with better content as they grow.
How about we settle for content that isn't broken or 1/2 done?????
Faction Warfare---- 1/2 done and broke Wormholes----1/2 done.... the potential here hasn't even been touched Incursions---- Do I really need to go there???? SOV Mechanics----- not enough room in this post or the next 57 to discuss this one......
Past performance is an indicator of future performance. How do you feel about 1 shoe on your space Barbie?
edit to correct grammar
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Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vandrion How about we settle for content that isn't broken or 1/2 done?????
Faction Warfare---- 1/2 done and broke Wormholes----1/2 done.... the potential here hasn't even been touched Incursions---- Do I really need to go there???? SOV Mechanics----- not enough room in this post or the next 57 to discuss this one......
I think you'd have a better case if these were æbrokenÆ due to a lack of art assets. _______________________________________________ æA planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.Æ ùKonstantin Tsiolkovsky |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena How about purchase of AUR from another player
That should not be much of a problem.
time | pla|yers | v /----> ISK <-----\ | ^ | play|ers | pla|yers | | | v pl|a- v $$$ ---> PLEX ye|rs AUR items v | ^ | | | sys|tem | sys|tem | v | \----> AUR >-----/
Looks fine to me. Maximum freedom, guaranteed PLEX-sink. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Reten Kip
Everset Dropbears Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:05:00 -
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The artists that will be churning out new clothes for the RMT store should be working on things that are, as usual, left incomple.
Ship textures, remember when you said you were going to redo all the ships to use the new engine? What do we have? The Scorpion. That's it.
Remember those effects (pretty much all of them) that you jacked up when you got your new wormhole effect? Fix them. They all look the same right now.
Ship scales, why is my Hyperion as big as my Thanatos? Fix it.
Now these things will never get addressed because the artists will be too busy making clothes to sell for real money.
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Kno Bodeesbitch
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:07:00 -
[900]
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Kno Bodees*****
You keep whining, while hopefully CCP keeps making money so that they can provide the rest of us with better content as they grow.
How about we settle for content that isn't broken or 1/2 done?????
Faction Warfare---- 1/2 done and broke Wormholes----1/2 done.... the potential here hasn't even been touched Incursions---- Do I really need to go there???? SOV Mechanics----- not enough room in this post or the next 57 to discuss this one......
Past performance is an indicator future performance. How do you feel about 1 shoe on your space Barbie?
You are exactly right and you prove my point, thank you. In my opinion CCP has tried to walk too fine a line between making a profit and keeping our less fortunate bretheren from revolting.
Here they have a chance at getting revenue from those that have extra, while letting those who can't afford it remain on a level playing field.
It is my hope that in doing this they will grow and then be able to hire enough people that they put out BETTER/COMPLETE content.
As far as shoes for my Barbie..I don't necessarly agree with the need for vanity items, but I don't dispute that CCP has a right to market what they want to in their game.
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