Arbitrator:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
7.5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness
10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield
Slot layout: 4 H, 4 M, 5 L (+1), 2 turrets, 1 launcher
Fittings: 575 PWG, 325 CPU (+25)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1100(+84) / 1500(+132) / 1600(+232)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1375(+313) / 490s(+108.75s) / 2.8 (+0.02)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 200(+41) / 0.56(-0.05) / 11200000 / 5.9s (-0.5)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 150
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 285(+3) / 7(+1)
Sensor strength: 15 Radar (+3)
Signature radius: 130
Cargo capacity: 345

4 dev replies and 0 answers later, still waiting to hear how the pure DPS Belicose is somehow a disruptor cruiser that out dps's both Amarr Cruisers maxed out on dps even if the Maller gets a 5% damage bonus

Exactly what about painters disrupts anything?

Wow, with these new 7.5% bonuses we're getting back to pretty much old Arazu dampening you by -75% by each RSD. Apply 3 and nobody can lock anything even at 10 km. Heck, even 2 will do it for most cases.

Do you, Fozzie, really believe it's good for the game to have an option of rendering any given ship (bar supercaps, for sure - they are what real man fly and thus can not be touched) totally useless by such overwhelming EW modules?

Isn't this precisely the reason why ECM causes so much hate? Being able to establish lock is god damn CRUCIAL for basically anything you might want to perform. If you have no intentions of introducing a hard limit to what ships can be damped to (say, they always retain 30% of their base lock range), then you're pretty much failing at not making the game even harder for soloers - the concern you named recently.

It looks like the new bellicose will be going around 2k/s without any mods. I also studied the HAM version, but I believe HML version will be more widely used as it has WAY better damage projection.

The question is can Valkyries or heavy missiles reliably hit a frig when it is painted by bonused painters?? If not, bellicose will die horribly to frigs if it doesn't field warriors.

The Bellicose is going to be a Frigate shredding machine.

so if BC's are allowed to be faster than a cruiser than what is the point of a cruiser?
might as-well remove them from the game as useless pieces of junk :P
And btw at the moment the tier 3 bc's have better tank then cruisers too

They also cost 10 times as much and are more skill intensive. What's your point?

Looks good at a glance, the only thing that caught my eye is the Belli getting 4 bonused launchers and a full flight of meds, isnt that a bit much? 1 turret short of being the same layout as our current 'gank' cruiser the thorax

They also cost 10 times as much and are more skill intensive. What's your point?

B/C when it explicitly states "small gang combat" you naturally move away from bonuses huh?


I really wish you guys would quit trying to judge ships by their unbonused, un buffed neutered to hell fits and realize that your terribad style of gameplay is not how this game get's balanced properly.

Looks good at a glance, the only thing that caught my eye is the Belli getting 4 bonused launchers and a full flight of meds, isnt that a bit much? 1 turret short of being the same layout as our current 'gank' cruiser the thorax

In exactly what way is a 542 dps Belicose with 0 disrupting effects a disruption cruiser?
It now does around 80 more dps than a 5% per leve damagel maller would do with 3 HS based on those proposed changes and about 31 more dps than the current 5 pulse 3 HS omen does. When does thinking ever come in to the picture at CCP

still waiting to hear how the belicose proposal makes sense.

4 dev replies and 0 answers later, still waiting to hear how the pure DPS Belicose is somehow a disruptor cruiser that out dps's both Amarr Cruisers maxed out on dps even if the Maller gets a 5% damage bonus

In exactly what way is a 542 dps Belicose with 0 disrupting effects a disruption cruiser?

Until you tell us what's up with the ECM mechanics, there's no way to comment on this ship.

Not sure how I feel about the bellicose having a full drone bay. Two ewar ships, okay, but three reeks of too much homogenization. Bring the bellicose down, at least one medium drone. The balance team also added tons of drones to frigate hulls, it feels like gallente's specialization is being entirely eclipsed. The vexor, with only 75 bw (which most people only use a flight of mediums anyway) loses its advantage in the cruiser realm. A similar thing is true with the thorax.

seriously what happened to more mobility isn't that supposed to be the point of cruisers over bc's?

seriously what happened to more mobility isn't that supposed to be the point of cruisers over bc's?

We increased the speeds on all the ewar cruisers as part of an overall speed increase for cruisers, including giving the Arbitrator a very significant 20% bump. But the ewar cruisers are intentionally one of the slower sets of T1 cruisers and we're not going to give the class so much speed that it becomes overpowered.

That being said, building strawman fits optimized for EFT numbers is the oldest trick in the book for "winning" theorycrafting arguments and you shouldn't count on me not knowing the difference between the paper dps of a 4 damage mod rage ham setup and the actual value of that ship in space.

If you're going to be messing with damps, you should probably look at the lock ranges of recon ships. They all have absurd range, making them mostly immune to range dampening.

...we'll see as we go forward...

It's quite possible that we may need to bump the Belli dronebay back to the 40m3 it has currently to balance it, we'll see as we go forward. As for the expansion of drones into more ships, it's a side effect of our desire to make drones a more mainstream weapon system instead of leaving Gallente pilots alone in the cold. The creation of the drone damage mod was another step in that direction and there's more we want to do. We balance ships based on their capabilities, not on making certain races specialized just for the sake of specialization.

Good morning everyone. Gonna go over some of the key questions and comments I'm seeing in the thread so far.



It's quite possible that we may need to bump the Belli dronebay back to the 40m3 it has currently to balance it, we'll see as we go forward. As for the expansion of drones into more ships, it's a side effect of our desire to make drones a more mainstream weapon system instead of leaving Gallente pilots alone in the cold. The creation of the drone damage mod was another step in that direction and there's more we want to do. We balance ships based on their capabilities, not on making certain races specialized just for the sake of specialization.

7.5% bonus per level? Did you realize that this is dramatically better than what the T2 ships have? So even if T2 cruisers are planned to be brought in line with this later on, we will have a period of at least several months, or maybe even a year, where cheap t1 cruisers will be better at the jobs their T2 versions are supposed to be specialized in? This is ridiculous and completely unacceptable.

First you change FW so that 2-day-old alts can earn 100+ million ISK/hour in T1 frigates worth 3 million, now this. Please realize that you just can't make some changes without changing something else... at the same time, not many months later.