People with killrights against them have by definition committed an attack on someone else to have; they're not in the same position as Freddy The Freighter Alt here.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

I'm sorry Pipa, but you really are arguing the wrong corner here.

If gankers and pirates are worried about being attacked in hi-sec due to transferrable killrights then they should follow the same advice that is offered to potential suicide gank victims: fly cheap ships, situational awareness, bring friends, avoid danger spots, don't go AFK.

Another idea for improving upcoming bounty system:

1. Link experience loss to the amount of bounty currently in your head. What this means is that for example if you had 1mil isk in bounty on your head, you will loose 1000 exp point the moment you are killed or podded regardless of your clone limit. So let say you had 10mil in bounty, and player A poded you, player A will receive your bounty and you will lost 10000exp. Of course the Exp/ISK ratio can be adjust to suit the need.

2. Wanted player with bounty can also buy Insurance with Concord with the equal amount of ISk in their bounty to ensure they do not lost exp when poded.

With this changes, it will close the loop hole of using an alt to collect your own bounty because the cost of that bounty is going to be too high. It will also increase realism and extra thrill that came with your notoriety. I believe it will also bring new fevor and zeal back to all those PVPer to pod their prey back to Lvl1.

Not to mention this will be a very good ISK sink.

How so? It's not like criminal organisations don't put prices on people's heads all the time, especially if they're annoying do-gooders who interfere with their businessGǪ

Are corp thieves criminals?

What if you happen to use the word "loose" in place of "lose" all the time in your posts? Should I not have the right to exact retribution upon you?

Yes, criminal organizations put out bounties all the time. And the ones who collect on them are wanted criminals. Even if they weren't before. So unless they are going to implement something along that line also, no thx.



My favorite kind.

Yes, criminal organizations put out bounties all the time. And the ones who collect on them are wanted criminals. Even if they weren't before. So unless they are going to implement something along that line also, no thx.

If they're not alerted to the sale of their killright, what amount of situational awareness will help? As CONCORD won't be getting involved, there's no set of ships that would be commonly used. What can friends do? Unlike the victims of suicide ganks, their friends can't do anything without being CONCORDed. What danger spots? Locator agents, mean that that's anywhere.

What risk does the miner take in selling their killright? They don't have to put any effort or money into it. What risk does the buyer take? They're not going to lose their ship, so they have no need to worry about profitability, and they can back out up until the instant they point their target.

If they're not alerted to the sale of their killright, what amount of situational awareness will help? As CONCORD won't be getting involved, there's no set of ships that would be commonly used. What can friends do? Unlike the victims of suicide ganks, their friends can't do anything without being CONCORDed. What danger spots? Locator agents, mean that that's anywhere..

What risk does the miner take in selling their killright? They don't have to put any effort or money into it. What risk does the buyer take? They're not going to lose their ship, so they have no need to worry about profitability, and they can back out up until the instant they point their target.

I do agree that everyone needs to know who owns your kill right. The game should notify you when a kill right is transfered to a new owner.

All I have to say is this.

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Should "the game" notify you when there are 12 guys in gank-fit tornados on the other side of a gate, or 4 dudes in catalysts warping to your belt?

the same situational awareness that Freighter pilots have to us when they're not alerted to a planned gank?

The miner has already subsumed their risk into a ship loss that has already happened. In other words, he takes exactly the same risk as a suicide ganker; parlaying a definite ship loss into a possible kill.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If you're too scared of reprisal to suicide gank, then don't do it.

hth

I'm saying that people who inflict random violence on others in hi-sec for fun and profit should scarcely complain when the possibility now applies to them. And it's not like pirates are flying about in unarmed industrials, either. They're being faced with the prospect of a single opponent in a pvP ship just like them. Why so serious?

oddly enough it sounds exactly like the bounty system i suggested they use years ago O_o

Why do people have this notion that kill rights have anything to do with the revamp to the bounty system?

Because transferable killrights are what make bounty-hunting a viable profession.

Why? Set your bounty high enough to make a suicide gank worthwhile. Why should bounty-hunting be cost and risk free (as your version of transferable kill rights makes it)?

"Risk free"? Are suicide gankers all such nugatory PvPers that attacking them is a zero risk activity?