With link nerf - I somewhat agree that links were overpowered. The idea of only being ongrid, however, is going to kill those small gang pvpers. When enemies have better T2 battlecruiser link in their fleet with enough dps, tankle, logi, ecm while small gang likely have only dps without link because you simply don't have enough people to let them fly a link ship for compensate a dps - you are only encouraging a pvp of numbers.

How is that T3 in safespot going to contribute to dps?

Would that be better to have that T3 on grid if you don't have enough ships to begin with?

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/63002-1K-DPS-Tengu.html wtf? new cheat? I play as the Caldari but I can not understand this marasmus . God, give mind to them!

Also, why does everyone always make those arguments like the other side isn't going to have their own booster with them? It's just a straw man argument to keep boosting overpowered.

Nerf off grid boosting and make people risk their booster alts and their ships. Unbalanced is hiding your booster in a safe spot while you sit in your gate camp and reap the benefits.

if boosters are to be nerfed so that they will only take effect while on grid then its should work like a pooling system, ie the smaller the gang the better the effects, this at least makes it more even

Base off 20 to 30 man gang effects stay the same

In terms of the massive skill point increase for people who have all 4 cruiser and all 4 frigs at 5... Have you considered those of us who intentionally stopped just short of the next expensive ass clone? This is going to put us well over the cap. Or are the clone cost reduction changes going ahead with this patch.

If not, I'm going to be pretty pissed that I have to pay way more for every clone in the future and possibly forget to upgrade my clone (speaking for others here).

And just to give it a seperate line, how will clone upgrades be affected by this change. How many people do you think will go over their current clone limit, only to lose it pretty early w/o noticing and then lose some 80 day lvl 5 skill?

This sounds like a nightmare in the making.

Odd thought on some of this that just hit me...

What if... What if CCP were able to give the skills but no SP?

Just stuffs the new skills in if you have the prerequisites but without any skill point changes at all -- just 4-8 new skills at the appropriate levels.

So, Destroyers 5 -> 4x Racial Destroyer 4 and Battlecruisers 5 -> 4x Racial Battlecruiser 4? No thanks.

No - it would be the same system they have. If you qualify by having the skills, you get the new ones.

The difference being how many players are going "you get up to almost 7 million SP from this." - no SP adjustment (as the person I replied to is concerned about). Instead, all you would get are the replacement skills - with no SP adjustment (example: I have both at 5 -- 4 new skills each = 8 "replacement" skills for the 2 being removed.

With some suggested opinions on this, I'd go from my 67 mill SP to 74 mill. Instead, my SP doesn't change, just the number of skills I have goes up: From 242 to 248 -- minus 2, + 8 = 6 increase). -- no "free SP" from this.

BC5 is 1536000 SP
1536000 / 4 = 384000
BC4 is 271000 SP
So I would get all racial battlecruisers at level 4.
But instead they would remove:
384000 - 271000 = 113000 SP
113000 * 4
= 452000 SP

The problem here is that BC5 is kinda needed if you want to put skill Command Ships to your skill queue.

I (now) get what he means.

You just set the skill levels. You don't set the SP level higher. So you still have all the BCs at 5, but there's a disparity between how many skillpoints you have, and how many you /should/ have, if you add everything up.

Not sure it's a good idea, as it makes the dba in me cringe. But I guess it might work.

But no no, you just keep wasting time on skill trees that have little to no impact on the game in positive manner... that really makes players pay you salaries.

Training for command ships and interdictors gets faster (a lot faster for command ships).

You'll get exactly the same level of bonus to your ships after the skill change as you did before it, and since you only need the cruiser skills to 3 to fly those BCs and getting cruiser higher doesn't give bonuses to the BCs, any cruiser skill levels beyond 3 don't matter.

Is there a particular reason that the Drake is listed as having a shield tanking "problem" while the myrm is stated to be "mainly fine"?

I know most people *don't*, but you *can* fit a myrm nearly identically to a drake, with an insane shield recharge tank -- with all the drawbacks such a fit brings. The root of the drakes problem isn't the shield recharge, it's the cap recharge. The only real difference between the myrm and drake when recharge tanking is that the drake can run its tank a lot longer.

Very nice to hear :) Domi is more than fairly good, it is amazing. From highest dps (ok Vindi still beats it) brawler to ECM-immune pos basher to PVE, it Dominates. It only needs a visual facelift!

Command and Tech3 ships providing that much of an advantage should commit to an engagement instead of being safely parked inside a POS bubble.

As for the gang link nerf discussion. It's extremely clear that the addition of the 5% bonused T3s combined with the T2 gang link modules created a perfect storm with gang boosts. These have become far too powerful and it has become almost impossible to compete without a booster alt. We're not switching command ship and T3 bonuses straight up because 5% links are overpowered, so everyone should probably start getting used to that idea.

i read and heard that the claymore is being turned into a missile boat, why? ...i trained caldari command ships up to use missiles...and the claymore in its place with 5 t2 425 ac and 3 ham is perfect for up close use...
so your nerfing this the same way you did the macherial ..cant you just leave the top slots open so we can decide which damn weapons we put in.....in changing the claymore to missiles only it will be pointless....just fly a caldari ship at that point...which why i trained caldari so i could use caldari command ships if needed

for minmatar ships have always been a mix of all types...now your trying to specify which ships do what.. the Sleipnir has always been a long range slow gun boat. the claymore has always been the closer range ac boat..with a few missiles as added extra...and im sure in the process of removing turrents from the claymore it will lose a weapon top slot like the macherial, so 7 missile launchers = a night hawk...don't we have one of those already.

i never understand why you just don't let us decide which weapons mods we put on a ship...