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Drahcir Sirrap LK Venture Group 0	Posted - 2012.11.13 09:32:00 - [871] - Quote Overall I think that the balancing changes look very promising, and as a Gallente pilot I can't wait for drones to be viable outside of hisec and PvE. May I also suggest an aesthetic change to the command ship models in order to bring them more in line with other T2 ships like HACs? The demios/ishtar use the thorax/vexor hulls as they are gunship/droneship respectively. Therefor would it not make sense that the Eos would use the Myrmidon hull as opposed to the Brutix? Surely it would be easier (in terms of lore) to imagine that a Myrm was upgraded with the Warfare Links rather than trying to cram a larger dronebay/control.systems and the warfare links onto a Brutix hull? The same concept could also be applied to the Caldari and Amarr CS, although I am unsure how the Minie CS would work with this idea. Guess I've always figured that the hulls should align with the primary weapons' systems of the craft in question. Thoughts, criticism and ideas?
Herbitarah Huge Logistical Network 0	Posted - 2012.11.13 09:40:00 - [872] - Quote If someone is training the bc skill to level 5, but is not quite there on launch day, then what happens? Do they get all 4 racial bc skills at the same SP level as the original bc skill, or do you get them all at level 4 and lose SP?
Harvey James Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 112	Posted - 2012.11.13 09:44:00 - [873] - Quote Harvey James wrote: Sgt Napalm wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: [quote=Sgt Napalm] No. I like the ability to fit gang links on T1 battle cruisers. Gang bonus should not be privy to the rich while the younger and not as wealthy players are shut out of options. I agree. I've parked my CS hulls many months ago in favor of gang fit BC's. Oh the flip side I do find it removes some of the uniqueness around the CS hull. It is a tough sell to fly a CS when a proper (currently) fit leadership BC covers 80%+ of the gang link role. Perhaps the CS should have the 5% bonus to links and they could reduce some of the bonus out of the skills like 100% per lv after lv2 on skirmish link skill etc. So more the bonus comes from the CS which would also increase their effectiveness over T3 hulls. So many skills do look a little outdated and need to be looked at including some of the missile skills and leadership skills. mm.. after further thinking perhaps a ship bonusing only 15% for what is meant to be its specialist role is still a bit low as you could still use a T1 bc to do much of the same thing for a lot cheaper i think if you want to make these the go to ship for links for a major strength bonus over a little more versatility.. T3.. perhaps a 10% a lv might the the right area.... and just redo the link skills as they are a little complicated really to understand perhaps a simpler system of adds 2 to link strength.
Maximus Andendare Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 7	Posted - 2012.11.13 10:07:00 - [874] - Quote Herbitarah wrote: If someone is training the bc skill to level 5, but is not quite there on launch day, then what happens? Do they get all 4 racial bc skills at the same SP level as the original bc skill, or do you get them all at level 4 and lose SP? Fozzie has stated it's only the whole number levels that you get. So you'd need to have it at V to receive any skills past IV.
Aesil Maril Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.11.13 14:39:00 - [875] - Quote Since I'm in the process of training for a carrier, I would appreciate an answer with regards to when the new capital skill rebalance (lvl4 BS skill for racial capital ship) is going o take place. With Retribution on 4th of december? In the next summer expansion? At the end of next year? It would be really nice to know also which will be the new prerequisites for racial capital skills, if they've been decided of course.
Roldanis Repercussus RAZOR Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:14:00 - [876] - Quote Not sure if this has already been posted here but.... Please please PLEASE give the Rokh an extra 25m of drone bay space. It is the only BS that has a 50m drone bay. I don' tneed extra bandwidth, I just want to be able to carry more than just one flight of mediums or two flights of smalls.
Ristlin Wakefield Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance 136	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:22:00 - [877] - Quote As long as they don't make beautiful Legion useless I'll be happy. I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Harvey James Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 113	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:46:00 - [878] - Quote Ristlin Wakefield wrote: As long as they don't make beautiful Legion useless I'll be happy. it can't get much worse than now Drone improvements/ideas for improvement https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133767 Electronic Attack Frigate ideas for improvement https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1986048#post1986048
Nemesis Bosseret Dysfunctional Nocturnal Rejects Insane Asylum 4	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:47:00 - [879] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Milton Middleson wrote: Start at page one. Take a drink every time some illiterate asks what is going to happen to their battlecruisers skill. Take a shot every time Fozzie repeats himself with regard to how the skill changeover is going to work. I'm not sure I'd survive that. Im irish and i might, but my horrible grammer and spelling would be even worse than it already is. Personally i dont give two S$%$s about the skill change over considering in a few days ill be able to fly every sub cap in the game, but i can hear the mice squeaking about this slight difficulty ... but whatever ill hear the $$$$$ and complaints in corp chat and the tears pouring from new players but again not too concerned, Newer players should learn how to fly one race well first anyways before even thinking of going multi racial and this skill change reinforces this idea which makes my life so much easier because i wont have to explain to noobs why u dont fit hybrids to laser boat, or lasers to a projectile boat (freak fits excluded from this odviously cuz some work very well but way too advanced for newer players) so thank god and thank you CCP for that... but again ill add this revamp rebalance stuff.... there going way to overboard on. Tech 3 crusers, sure nerf there ability to give fleet boosts so command ships actually have purpose, is the drake over tanked... yes i think it should be a tough SOB but maybe not as much as it currently is, Noobs should not be able to run lvl 4s 3 months after they start the game in a battlecruser... thats just not right. Prophacy as drone boat.... some one should really go look in a mirror and smack the crap outta themself for even thinking about putting that on paper when they are going to re do the AI in missions so they are like sleepers and drones are usless and making the one good mission ship battlecruser for amarr completely friken useless.... Myrm.. whatever.. hurricane.. meh whatever id say dont touch it but id be asking too much because someone will complain cuz they fly amarr and getting double neuted is sooooo unfair... .(fyi i fly amarr) all the other stuff... whatever.. i cant B$$$$ and rant all day cuz ill pass out at the key board again and lose something shinny again to belt rats Lastly 17 slots WTF... CCP again.... NO TOUCHY NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HORRIFIC IDEA! DONT GO SCREWING WITH WHATS NOT BROKEN...... Ok going to go pass out in a ditch now for a few days and maybe ill check the status of the random continues rants about repeats of the begining of this post..... Nite all
wolftin21 2	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:51:00 - [880] - Quote Tbh, I think skipping t2 battle ships to get into capitals is a little lame. I believe that getting into a t2 bs its better for thos that dont want get into capitals but, want into t2 bs. Or make it to where needing lvl 4 racial bs to get into a racial t2 bs with a little extra skills set for t2 bs's. P.S BUFF UP BLACK OPS!!! that is all.

Loki Vice Hedion University Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2012.11.13 19:33:00 - [881] - Quote Love the changes, and i would LOVE THE HELL out of the dominix if it was a flying space potato =(
Ristlin Wakefield Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance 137	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:04:00 - [882] - Quote Loki Vice wrote: Love the changes, and i would LOVE THE HELL out of the dominix if it was a flying space potato =( You mean if it wasn't? I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Ubiquitous Presence Luporum Praetorian Presidium Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera 0	Posted - 2012.11.14 00:10:00 - [883] - Quote Now that we are getting racial BC's and Destroyers does this mean we will eventually get factional versions of these ships?
DeltaWav The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est 2	Posted - 2012.11.14 00:45:00 - [884] - Quote Aesil Maril wrote: Since I'm in the process of training for a carrier, I would appreciate an answer with regards to when the new capital skill rebalance (lvl4 BS skill for racial capital ship) is going o take place. With Retribution on 4th of december? In the next summer expansion? At the end of next year? It would be really nice to know also which will be the new prerequisites for racial capital skills, if they've been decided of course. The only for sure thing is that it will not be December 4. Quote: "Want to make this clear to everyone, the stuff in this blog is not coming on the 4th with Retribution. This blog covers some of what we are going to be working on in the beginning of next year."
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 88	Posted - 2012.11.14 01:01:00 - [885] - Quote Quote: the Talos keeps a kiting advantage Are we really ok with the current state of tracking enhancers and T2 ammo?
Harvey James Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 113	Posted - 2012.11.14 01:35:00 - [886] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: Quote: the Talos keeps a kiting advantage Are we really ok with the current state of tracking enhancers and T2 ammo? TE's are too good particularly to the benefit of minmatar. but also they are better than TC's in a less valuable slot. on T2 ammo well they all have the same bonus and i think its down to the guns rather than the ammo. in particular lasers are OP for range when scorch is put in the omen is the only attack cruiser that isn't bonused for range ot tracking guess why..... its odd because it allows the harbinger to have the same range and tracking which won't be the case for the rest of the attack cruisers. I think blasters should have a higher base falloff and missiles are certainly OP for range and this is before TE/TC's will improve their range further. Drone improvements/ideas for improvement https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133767 Electronic Attack Frigate ideas for improvement https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1986048#post1986048
Qaidan Alenko State War Academy Caldari State 625	Posted - 2012.11.14 06:55:00 - [887] - Quote Loki Vice wrote: Love the changes, and i would LOVE THE HELL out of the dominix if it wasn't a flying space potato =( Perhaps model it after a woman's stilleto heeled shoe... Go ahead,,,, Get your Wham on!!!
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire Tribal Band 4	Posted - 2012.11.14 11:11:00 - [888] - Quote Milton Middleson wrote: Start at page one. Take a drink every time some illiterate asks what is going to happen to their battlecruisers skill. Take a shot every time Fozzie repeats himself with regard to how the skill changeover is going to work. I'm drunk cause of a dev...
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire Tribal Band 4	Posted - 2012.11.14 11:28:00 - [889] - Quote Nemesis Bosseret wrote: much ranting.... I actually read through it and must say, that I'm partially agreeing. It's awesome to expect changes to the most common boosting ships. I personally feel like the bossting modules will receive a slight revamp, cause I can't see how anyone would ever field a multilink booster on grid given that even a damnation now needs command processors. To the prophecy: wtf droneboat you crazy? actually, I love the idea of a neutprophecy. With resistboni yumyum. Poor man's ashimmu. Also regarding the progression from Battlecruisers to Battleships, as it is going from mediums sized to large hulls, are there any changes to the cargo space considered? Atm Battleships run out of booster charges way quicker than battlecruisers do, just because they consume them three times as fast while only having around 20-30% more cargo capacity. Also, large ammunition takes up good chunks of space. Please don't change the mass for each ship in a way that a battlecruiser with a 1600 plate is above 20kt, please keep this in mind for armorcanes/harbingers/prophecys/absolutions/damnations and c1-wormholes.
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 32	Posted - 2012.11.14 11:30:00 - [890] - Quote I like the cmd ship and tech 3 changes. Pritty please with super sweet molasses on top can you give them both the damn cpu to actually fit t2 links without 500 Estamels co-procs? If your making the field cmd ships into combat vessels, does this mean they'll lose a lot of tank? or just have less dps than what are now the fleet cmd ships? Cause the former would suck. Perhaps changing tech 3's warefare sub to the electronics slot would be a good idea, since your going to make them come on grid, they certainly can't compete with having their defensive sub nerfed to fit links as they are now. However then you lose the probing versatility which is so nice. Personally don't think tier 3 bc's mobility needs nerfing, they should be as fast as a cruiser, because they have the same tank. Megathron is PERFECT atm, just leave it alone thanks.

Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 223	Posted - 2012.11.14 11:43:00 - [891] - Quote Akturous wrote: I like the cmd ship and tech 3 changes. Pritty please with super sweet molasses on top can you give them both the damn cpu to actually fit t2 links without 500 Estamels co-procs? If your making the field cmd ships into combat vessels, does this mean they'll lose a lot of tank? or just have less dps than what are now the fleet cmd ships? Cause the former would suck. You got field and fleet command mixed there. Currently Field: more damage, less tank, no bonus to warfare links Fleet: less damage, more tank, bonus to warfare links What I understand is that they are removing this and making both ships viable for both roles: - If you choose to fit for boosts, you will lose on damage output (much like currentl fleet command ships) - If you choose to fit for damage output, you will be limited on boosting capabilities (much like current field command ships)
Syri Taneka Dopehead Industries Republic Alliance 9	Posted - 2012.11.14 16:12:00 - [892] - Quote The only thing I really want to comment on with this is in regards to the command ships and t3s. 1) Please don't take away our 5% per level bonuses altogether. Things are just a little more awesome with that extra 10% multiplicative-stacking bonus. Some of us spent much time training hard to be Warfare Link Gods. Possibly make CS' 4% or 5% per level bonus? (To further distance them from the versatile t3s.) 2) In regards to t3s, I highly approve of making their bonus weaker than CS' (again, some of us dumped a lot of time into getting CS 5 and all the other requisite skills to fly the things!). I'd also like to suggest/request a major skill change to t3 ships, specifically with regards to "specialized" sections, IE Warfare Links, Cloaking, EW, etc. Please consider making a skill requirement for these specific sections be the relevant t2 skill to at least 4, IE CS 4, Recon Ships 4, Recon Ships 4, etc.
Conjaq The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 5	Posted - 2012.11.14 17:39:00 - [893] - Quote Quote: Hyperion: the hull could be improved, but again most of the issues come from passive versus active tanking problems I would LOVE to know what changes you have going for active tanking vs passive tanking! info info!
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 32	Posted - 2012.11.14 22:16:00 - [894] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Akturous wrote: I like the cmd ship and tech 3 changes. Pritty please with super sweet molasses on top can you give them both the damn cpu to actually fit t2 links without 500 Estamels co-procs? If your making the field cmd ships into combat vessels, does this mean they'll lose a lot of tank? or just have less dps than what are now the fleet cmd ships? Cause the former would suck. You got field and fleet command mixed there. Currently Field: more damage, less tank, no bonus to warfare links Fleet: less damage, more tank, bonus to warfare links What I understand is that they are removing this and making both ships viable for both roles: - If you choose to fit for boosts, you will lose on damage output (much like currentl fleet command ships) - If you choose to fit for damage output, you will be limited on boosting capabilities (much like current field command ships) Yeah my bad, got them mixed up.
Kmcpilot ASMODEUS INFINITE Get Off My Lawn 0	Posted - 2012.11.15 13:36:00 - [895] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: So about mindlinks.. The fact that they are such a huge portion of the effectiveness of a booster isn't something we like The fact that people are forced to use multiple jump clones or pop a new expensive implant every time they want to switch link types isn't something we like The fact that they make the use of multiple gang link types at once so much worse isn't something we like The exact way to deal with these problems isn't something we have hammered out yet, but we'll keep you updated And since questions keep coming up I'll clarify some skill stuff again: Assuming you have the (insert race here) Cruiser skill to 3, the level of (insert race here) Battlecruiser you get after the change will be the same as your Battlecruiser level before the change, not your Cruiser level. And we don't have a date to give you on the skill changes but here's what I can say: It won't happen in Retribution It won't happen until we release the BC and BS changes We can't commit to exactly when those changes will release yet But I have an internal estimate about when we'll get it done, and that estimate makes me smug out So if you're choosing between training those skills either sooner or later, choose sooner Fozzie, Thanks for this clarification... As do most people, we don't like change... However, that is a fact of life. With the evolution of Eve in the coming months, is it reasonable to have the expectation with the perceived inconveniences of having to remap, that CCP will provide "Bonus Remaps" in the coming months? Perception is reality, I know that I've been annoyed at having to remap several toons and burn those changes. It does take me completely off training plans. Thanks for your indulgence! Regards, Kmcpilot
Nouvelle Rouvenor Hero Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.11.15 14:07:00 - [896] - Quote Aesil Maril wrote: Since I'm in the process of training for a carrier, I would appreciate an answer with regards to when the new capital skill rebalance (lvl4 BS skill for racial capital ship) is going o take place. With Retribution on 4th of december? In the next summer expansion? At the end of next year? It would be really nice to know also which will be the new prerequisites for racial capital skills, if they've been decided of course. This would be good to know for anyone training to get into caps but have no intention of actually flying Battleships. Can we have a rough estimate of when the change so you don't need BS5 will take place or will BS5 skill points be refunded? Without some guidance, players will be left in limbo... If the change is some way in the future, it might be worth wasting a month of skillpoints on BS5, but if it's not far off then it would make sense to hold at BS4 and train something else...
Ribikoka Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 318	Posted - 2012.11.15 14:13:00 - [897] - Quote Micro Jump Drive. It's another mistake. Tried on test. Bubbles and disruptor already has no effects on it. CCP pls dont do it this fail.
Johnson Oramara Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2012.11.15 14:40:00 - [898] - Quote Since frigs, cruisers and likely soon bc's too are getting more deadlier & sturdier i just hope the battleships are getting buffed in the same way to avoid bringing them too close of each other tank&dps wise. And the battleship line doesn't look too happy news to caldari players, since raven is on the combat category i'm predicting it will be the same long range cruise missile boat... The race with the most missile boats and they don't have a working hull for one of their missile systems, this should have been addressed long time ago but it's still getting delayed until we get the new battleship line. With battlecuisers none of the medium long range guns are usable because they are completely outperformed by the tier 3 bc's with large guns. Maybe they should have a tracking penalty or something similar to open at least some usability for the medium long range guns...
Harvey James Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 116	Posted - 2012.11.15 16:04:00 - [899] - Quote Johnson Oramara wrote: Since frigs, cruisers and likely soon bc's too are getting more deadlier & sturdier i just hope the battleships are getting buffed in the same way to avoid bringing them too close of each other tank&dps wise. And the battleship line doesn't look too happy news to caldari players, since raven is on the combat category i'm predicting it will be the same long range cruise missile boat... The race with the most missile boats and they don't have a working hull for one of their missile systems, this should have been addressed long time ago but it's still getting delayed until we get the new battleship line. With battlecuisers none of the medium long range guns are usable because they are completely outperformed by the tier 3 bc's with large guns. Maybe they should have a tracking penalty or something similar to open at least some usability for the medium long range guns... I'm hoping the battleships will get a much needed mobility buff the attack battleship should at lest get some mass reduction to improve agility and speed and yes i think they should switch the phoon with raven for attack role to get the same treatment as the caracal is getting. I'm also dissapointed that there is no mention of the amarr getting a droneboat in battleship line. Drone improvements/ideas for improvement https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133767 Electronic Attack Frigate ideas for improvement https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1986048#post1986048
Alec Freeman The Dark Space Initiative 143	Posted - 2012.11.15 17:51:00 - [900] - Quote I really hope that they dont go ahead with the BS4 capitals. Even if they put other skills in to increase the training time it means ******* everyone will be flying archon's. Gone are the days where people fly the less OP carriers just because they cba training the BS5. Your effectivly removing nidhoggurs from the field and a lot of wyvren / thanny pilots are gonna switch now just because it will be a short train.



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