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Double slammer!

Two devblogs on the same day. This shows how much content is coming with EVE Online: Retribution at December 4 - and the month is not over yet.

The maller will still mostly be bait

The cap makes it to gimpy for anything else really except for niche fleet roles.

Easily takes the "longest dev blog of Retribution" crown from Masterplan.

It does require a small cap booster, but it is still an excellent heavy cruiser. Omen fills the role of the lighter, quicker ship while Maller is very viable for something like a BS/BC fleet with remote repairs. It probably still wont be used all that much by older players (maller/augoror fleet is pretty cool though), but I do think it is an important stepping stone ship for newer players.

Keep up the good work Fozzie!

The Micro Jump Drive is a new propulsion module that allows a ship to teleport forward 100km. This module can be used in bubbles or while disrupted but not while warp scrambled, basically following the same rules as the existing Microwarpdrive. The MJD also has a spool up time and cooldown that must be waited between uses.

Look here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168820&find=unread

I'm not sure why this wasn't included in the DevBlog

Dat blog

This is pretty important. Fozzie, update teh blog dude.

I am still trying to figure out how you 'buffed' torpedoes. Besides eluding to the fact that GMP now affects all missiles, and a single tweak to Rage damage - (but nerfed explosion radius).

Am I not seeing all of the correct info in the Features forum missile thread?

Makes my really sad that CCP spent the time and money on a new Stabber model and no one will see it as it is now the worst of all the cruisers.

Ah well the devs giveth and taketh away.

Yes, because having 290 base speed on a cruiser makes it a horrible, useless ship...

Makes my really sad that CCP spent the time and money on a new Stabber model and no one will see it as it is now the worst of all the cruisers.

Easily takes the "longest dev blog of Retribution" crown from Masterplan.

If the Micro Jump Drive (MJD?) works in bubbles, how will gate camps ever catch anyone? With no need to align, and nothing able to point with a Scram at 100km from gate (or even 85km from a gate), it's just jump gate, MJD, align, warp away. You just made an invulnerable blockade runner.

[Maller, armor heavy pulse]
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Medium Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x3

7 minutes without MWD, still 10k more tank than other cruisers, you could also switch to focused mediums with 1600mm plate giving you 15k (!) extra ehp and cap stability for slightly decreased damage.

Stop whining about the Maller

If the Micro Jump Drive (MJD?) works in bubbles, how will gate camps ever catch anyone? With no need to align, and nothing able to point with a Scram at 100km from gate (or even 85km from a gate), it's just jump gate, MJD, align, warp away. You just made an invulnerable blockade runner.

If you have GMP to level 4 that's a 20% buff to Torp explosion radius. And on top of that the explosion radius implants and rigs also affect it now. That's a very significant buff and the T2 ammo changes are just icing on the cake (and a great way to kill supercaps).

I am the undisputed king of TLDR at CCP. I'm going to write a devblog just to unseat you!

Hmm... it looks like ship speed got significantly buffed across the board (except for the existing T1 dessies).

Isn't this the beginning of undoing the speed balancing work done a few years back? Playing the devil's advocate, I'm just wondering if we're going to eventually end up with ridiculous game-mechanic-breaking nano-fits again.

Hint: when you are balancing stats, you are allowed to tweak numbers down, not just up.

BTW - I think the existing T1 dessies are going to have a bit of a problem catching the upgraded frigs. Which is one of the reasons why the old dessies weren't so popular.

And, just FYI, the upgraded attack cruisers are nearly as fast as the dessies (except for the Stab, which will now be faster than all of the existing dessies).

If we can't bubble them then every ship will use it to get out of trouble. for capital ship can't jump will being buble or disrupted.
Why should you now be able to jump inside a bubble? It should follow the principles of jump or warp not the MWD.

(some would say too harshly, but I have seen what a nano gang using apprporiate tactics can accomplish with little more damage available than what the Stabber will have).

If the Micro Jump Drive (MJD?) works in bubbles, how will gate camps ever catch anyone? With no need to align, and nothing able to point with a Scram at 100km from gate (or even 85km from a gate), it's just jump gate, MJD, align, warp away. You just made an invulnerable blockade runner.

If the Micro Jump Drive (MJD?) works in bubbles, how will gate camps ever catch anyone? With no need to align, and nothing able to point with a Scram at 100km from gate (or even 85km from a gate), it's just jump gate, MJD, align, warp away. You just made an invulnerable blockade runner.

While I would not object to a larger emphasis being placed on speed for destroyers, I also understand that in most cases their way of dealing with kiting frigates is the ability to inflict large amounts of damage at considerable range.

Cruisers as a whole needed a speed increase.... They are a far cry from entering the realm of speed that required the nano nerfs...

Cruisers as a whole needed a speed increase, as they are too thin usually to rely on tanking ability alone to survive. They are a far cry from entering the realm of speed that required the nano nerfs... with the possible exception of the Stabber, but it has been restricted in other ways (some would say too harshly, but I have seen what a nano gang using apprporiate tactics can accomplish with little more damage available than what the Stabber will have).

Makes my really sad that CCP spent the time and money on a new Stabber model and no one will see it as it is now the worst of all the cruisers.

Ah well the devs giveth and taketh away.

We're going to be changing the hurricane at the same time but I wanted that thread to stay dedicated to the specific cruiser balance instead of getting derailed so we're moving that here.

Since we planning to reduce the powergrid needs of all medium artillery by 10% across the board, we are also planning to subtract 225 PG from the Hurricane, leaving it with a base powergrid of 1125. Note from Ludiah: Please note that this is 16.7% of the Hurricane's total PG while they are only reducing the Arty PG usage by 10%

The upshot is that fitting a full rack of 720s with a MWD and LSE and full mids and lows will require a RCUII and either an ACR or PG implant. Also fitting a standard shield autocane with neuts and LSE will require dropping a few guns down to 220mm.
The hurricane will likely receive significantly more changes when we get to battlecruisers in the balance pass, but this is designed as a compensation for the drop in Arty PG and to help alleviate the problem of Arty ships having so much free PG when they use autocannons.Note from Ludiah: Please note the rational here, the Hurricane, a NON-ARTY focused ship is being nerfed by an amount GREATER than the Arty PG reduction because this will 'alleviate the problem of Arty ships having so much free PG when they use autocannons'.

The powerful Ancillary Shield Booster revolutionized small gang combat when it was released with Inferno, and dominated the 10th Alliance Tournament. It is receiving a slight reduction on effectiveness with Retribution, consisting of a smaller capacity to hold fewer cap boosters, increased cap need when running without boosters, and an increase in duration for the X-large variant.

I noticed that you didn't cover the un-needed nerf to the Hurricane in this 'balance' post. Might want to mention that you are removing 16.7% of the Hurricane's powergrid

Alongside the change to Artillery Cannons we are removing 225 PWG from the Hurricane Battlecruiser

I fly it with AC's (and max out, or close to max out the PG)

lots of crap.

OK, I just saw the list of officer drone modules and there is a huge problem with them.

Huge. Gigantic. Overwhelming.

Take for example "Unit D-34343's Modified drone damage amplifier".

The issue is Obvious. The number is decimal. Not binary. Not Hex. Decimal.

AAARRRGGGGG!!!!!

Also, any deadspace drone mods, for mission and high sec to low sec exploration?

So Cruise Missiles are left behind for further expansions/patches?

I don't think they need to be touched at all anymore. I mean they just buffed Fury Accuracy and Dmg / Precision are getting the same Dmg as T1 / T2 Penalties are gone and all the Missiles move a bit quicker.

The only ship that uses Cruise Missiles is the Raven so IMO they should finish there.

That's not enough to justify flying Battleships over convenient tech1/tech2 stuff in medium-sized class. Damage difference is not high enough.

No.

I personally used them to PvP with Typhoon (+fleet issue), Navy Scorpion, Golem. They are pretty different from regular Raven. Rattlesnake can be fitted with them as well. So it's quite a bunch of ships.

That is because the Raven is short a Launcher and the Typhoon is short 2 Launchers. They should focus there.


* Typhoon is being made a full line Missile Ship so that fix's that. But current try fitting LR Weapons to any other ships with a split weapons system, see many Artillery Cyclones around lately?
* Navy Scorp could also get a 7th launcher.
* Golem is a Marauder with an 8 unbonused launcher equiv. You want to use it for long ranger weapons? How many Artillery Vargurs, Rail Kronos and Beam Pally's do you see wandering around? LR weapons barely if at all work in PvP on the ones with Dmg bonuses, this one does not have one.
* Rattlesnake is a Drone Boat Primarily so how many PvP Rail Domi's do you see? Maybe they could change all Guristas to a Dmg Role Bonus, 4 unbonused weapons, no Battleship pulls off effective range weapons with that, that isn't Cruise Missiles Fault.

The Missiles are fine, the number of Launchers are short.

Come on, everyone knows missiles don't fit into this close-range/long-range sheme. I see LR drakes and tengues on a daily basis LOL. So let's compare apples to apples, that is - missiles to missiles. Atm cruise battleships don't provide substancial damage increase over HML drakes, NHs and Tengues and the incoming patch will not be enough to change that.

Suggesting to add launchers will just make Torp setups really devastating and I doubt that's something anyone wants.

I noticed that you didn't cover the un-needed nerf to the Hurricane in this 'balance' post.

The PG nerf on the Hurricane is much needed. It is can fit anything without having to sacrifice a single module/rig to boost its power grid like the rest of the battle cruisers.

...The Coercer is a supremely effective laser platform with both tracking and optimal range bonuses, but it was afflicted with only one mid. WeGÇÖre moving a low to a mid, so you can choose to fit a point or keep the dedicated DPS role by fitting a tracking computer. The Coercer also benefits significantly from a reduction in small laser fitting requirements....

So Cruise Missiles are left behind for further expansions/patches?

This is pretty important. Fozzie, update teh blog dude.

The Corax will have a kinetic misile dmg bonus, now unlike all other Caldari missile boats? Odd.

Otherwise, happy happy, joy joy! The proof is in the pudding, but these seem good. (What do I know?)

I saw MJD and the only thing that popped into my head is "Michael Jackson Dance"

"Yeah, my Apoc moonwalked out of that bubble." Come to think of it, the MJD really should jump directly backwards.

Did you guys consider removing warping on grid as a means of enhancing the use of Micro Jump Drives (MJD)

Did you guys remember to make them unusable to capital ships?

With that aside, you (CCP dev blog writers) have DIRECTLY stated that there will be no changes or rebalancing to a number of battleships, as you think they are perfect, and then in this post, you have said ALL ships in eve will be rebalanced.

Also, how do you plan to rebalance freighters and jumpfreighters? Will we ever finally see any module fitting ability on freighters?

So Cruise Missiles are left behind for further expansions/patches?

Everything will be getting close looks. There's some stuff we know we want to change with freighters and that list may get added to, although I can't promise module fitting.

CCP Fozzie, i notice on the Devblog you mention it is your birthday on the 15, amazing! so is mine! cheers to you sir!

Five bucks says this means you plan to nerf freighter ganking.

Five bucks says this means you plan to nerf freighter ganking.

Five bucks says this means you plan to nerf freighter ganking.

Armor Resistance Phasing should be -10% cap usage (instead of 5%), -10% cycle time per level.

The cap usage is way out of line even with the current -5% cap usage per level. Here are some numbers:

Reactive Armor Hardener: -6.3 cap/sec
T2 armor hardener: -1.5 cap/sec
T2 shield hardener: -2 cap/sec
T2 Invulnerability Field: -3.2 cap/sec

Most armor tanking ships are much more cap dependant than shield tanked ones also.

Too small a niche with too high a skill barrier for a ship that will be the starting point for the youngest players IMO.

Here is the way they should have handled it.

Stabber:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret firing speed
7.5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff
Slot layout: 5 H (-1), 4 M (+1), 5 L (+2), 4 Turrets, 0 Launchers (-2)
Fittings: 715 PWG (+15), 340 CPU (+40)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1500(+15) / 1400(+150) / 1300(+11)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1200(+137.5) / 427.5s(+46.25s) / 2.8(+0.01)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 260(+39) / 0.5(+0.02) / 11400000 / 5.3s (+0.2)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 25
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 47.5km(+7.5) / 320(+15) / 5
Sensor strength: 13 Ladar (+3)
Signature radius: 100 (-5)
Cargo capacity: 420

They should have drones replace the launchers, the speed lowered and an extra low added. That way you can choose whether you want more DPS (Gyro) or Speed (Nano / OD) Most important it opens the option to reasonably kite without Barrage with 2 TE's allowing newer players to use it before T2.

All and all they dropped the ball on the Stabber restricting it so much.

This was the original design (which is why the class came with a range bonus), but it didn't work in practice. Frigs were able to easily stay out of range of the bonused guns. Dessies need to be able to catch their targets - via a speed advantage or, more preferably, via a web/scram range bonus.


Speed is relative. Decrease long gun/missile ranges, increase hit penalties vs. moving targets, nerf TEs, reducing tracking speeds, etc. and you don't need those speed buffs.

I'm just pointing out that increasing values across the board usually leads to problems. You increase speed - now the guns and missiles don't hit as well. So, you tweak up the missiles and guns to improve their ability to hit fast targets. Then, the guns and missiles are hitting too well, so you buff the ship speed again. Eventually, you end up with Stabs moving at 20+km/s. This is how the original speed problems occurred. Not in a single patch, but a series of upwardly biased balancing tweaks.

Ideally, after each round of balancing changes, your average delta over all changes (measured in percentage change, not absolute values) should be zero, or nearly so. If it is consistently positive, say +5% each round of tweaking, then you are going to run into power/speed creep problems, which will eventually break the game mechanics.

I've got an idea how they should do it.

sure, you could fit a DCII and bulkheads, but that'll slow you down more, and need you to be ATK.

How many people would just fit 2 EC2's (to get the current capacity with how I'd do it). Or 2 nanos/istabs to get into warp faster?

You don't balance things around what stupid people will do. They'll need to seriously rebalance the shield/armor/hull hitpoints amounts, if they plan to add module slots. With the current values just the T2 DC would double their tank.

Five bucks says this means you plan to nerf freighter ganking.

Okay since I want a Dev reply, I'm rephrasing my post earlier in this thread; Why have you not consider scaling back the shield repair amount for Ancillary Shield boosters? You are essentially getting the equivalent of TWO normal shield boosters for same fitting of a normal shield booster with no drawback whatsoever.

I mean basically if you need two *normal* shield boosters on a tank setup, you only need to get an ancillary shield booster of the same size and all you are paying for is...having two normal shield booster in one slot with the same fittings of a normal shield booster for a slighter better performance. And that's NOT taking in account the fact it can feed off booster charges.

So again, cannot the solution be a tweaking down amount of shield HP it heal instead of tweaking the cap booster aspect of it?

I think they would rather not remove or dampen the characteristics/strengths that make the module unique in how it functions and encourages different fits and tactics.

Instead they would rather make the distinct vulnerabilities the module has more prominent. In other words emphasize the short duration of this repping ability, and make it more difficult to set up continuous repping by using two of them. Also make it even more painful to use it without charges.

This sounds like a reasonable step, and will not neccessarily be the last tweak made.

I am the undisputed king of TLDR at CCP. I'm going to write a devblog just to unseat you!

Actually, in practice the frigate usually dies long before it has a chance to pull range unless their are enough to overwhelm the destroyers.

The reason people don't use cruisers any more is due to problems created when their speed potential was OVER nerfed across the board. Yes, originally too many things stacked that were speed boost related (although frankly the main issue was that most people simply didn't know how to defend against typical nano gang tactics... it's not actually that hard to do). However things went a bit too far and the cruiser class as a whole fell into widespread disuse. There is nothing what so ever wrong with bringing their ability to speed tank up to a respectable level.

The Micro Jump Drive is a new propulsion module that allows a ship to teleport forward 100km. This module can be used in bubbles or while disrupted but not while warp scrambled, basically following the same rules as the existing Microwarpdrive. The MJD also has a spool up time and cooldown that must be waited between uses.

But, none of this matters, assuming he can align to a safe, activate MJD and then press warp when he lands (ie, he can press 3 buttons in order), you cant kill him. He could burn out all his launchers, accidentally smartbomb his drones and mwd 100km off gate before burning out his mwd, and you still cant kill him, because you are in a kiting ship.

He can align to the safe, and he can activate the MJD. The MJD will then go through twenty seconds of painfully obvious spooling up before it activates, after which it's useless for 5 minutes.

Is twenty seconds not enough time to react? Is the long spoolup plus the longer cooldown worth it in the general case vs. a Microwarp Drive? Is its vulnerability to the cheapest and easiest warp-canceler to fit not a tradeoff? I'm not being snarky; I don't know. I'm asking.

He can align to the safe, and he can activate the MJD. The MJD will then go through twenty seconds of painfully obvious spooling up before it activates, after which it's useless for 5 minutes.

Is twenty seconds not enough time to react? Is the long spoolup plus the longer cooldown worth it in the general case vs. a Microwarp Drive? Is its vulnerability to the cheapest and easiest warp-canceler to fit not a tradeoff? I'm not being snarky; I don't know. I'm asking.

The MJD could go 1km in the direction the ship is facing (aligned to a safe), and is now totally immune to all single target warp disruptors because:
A) No longer Targetted
B) Already Aligned to a warpable location
C) At speed sufficient enough to warp

He cannot be stopped from warping off unless he's in a bubble at this point.

IIRC, scrams shut them down, though, so you can keep a newbro around as backup. :-)

Unfortunately, that new pilot have to get into web range, which can be quite painful. They would probably end up large smartbombed too.

It's looking like quite a break with the current paradigm where if pointed, you're staying put unless you've got warp core stabs that nerf a combat ship.

Can the MJD be cancelled during the spool up by the pilot?

Sure, assuming that a dessie can actually get in range in the first place. This is how it works currently, after the series of dessie buffs.

Prior to the dessie buffs, however, dessies were rarely used (except as mission salvagers, pre-Noctis) because they could never get in range of the frigs, to lay down their damage.


Perhaps, but over-buffing the speed isn't necessarily the right answer. As I stated, the problem can be equally solved by adjusting other OP and unbalanced features in the game.

Also, at the height of the speed mess, defending against nano gangs wasn't actually possible, except with another nano gang. The speeds were breaking game mechanics, incl. webbing, bubbles, gun tracking, missile hits, drones, etc. Remember that scrams did not shutdown MWDs back then, either.

In any case, my point is that all of the new speed changes are up, none of them are down (well, I think one dessie got a -1 on velocity). You don't balance weights on a scale by adding more weight to each side until the scale breaks. In the long run, this will cause a problem - and I'm raising the yellow flag now, so that we can try to avoid having to raise the red flag (again) later.

whats the deal with capitals no changes ? they are t1 hull whats the deal?

Unfortunately, that new pilot have to get into web range, which can be quite painful. They would probably end up large smartbombed too.

It's looking like quite a break with the current paradigm where if pointed, you're staying put unless you've got warp core stabs that nerf a combat ship.

Can the MJD be cancelled during the spool up by the pilot?

Nothing is changing with on grid warping in Retribution. We are investigating some ideas but they would much more likely end up changing the minimum warp distance rather than completely removing on grid warping.

This is all really good, BUT 'walking in stations' should be developed in addition to improvements with ships.

Exploring abandoned space stations and hollow asteroids would be awesome.

If this needs to be done in DUST then so be it, but it needs to be done.

......... He has made poor decisions, and you have made good decisions.

..............and you still cant kill him, because you are in a kiting ship.

A question about the salvage drone. When you say "salvage", does that mean "loot" as well? Or will this leave a collection of cargo containers strewn about the (former) battlefield?

These two statements are contradictory. If you cannot kill him because you are in a kiting ship, you are the one who made a poor decision by getting in that kiting ship.

So you think it is a good change to make kiting ships completely incapable of killing a ****** in a battleship, regardless of pilot skill? The game should be decided at the fitting window?

How to balance freighters:

Add two low slots
knock 25% off the capacity (or so).
increase the max velocity by about 20%.
Knock the structure down by 30% or so.

Give it
CPU 70
PG 2


Means people can pick between tank, align time and cargo space.

Most changes in this patch are meh.

UI changes are a waste of time. and round. i hate circles.

But the micro jump drive is going to kill small gang pvp dead.

the game needs to buff using different ship types and tactics this just removes a whole line of changes.

oh and the new vaga model is worse looking than my arse.

once again CCP does what it think s needs to be done not what actualy needs to be done.

one day the devs will listen and eve will be great again.

I think the missile change is good simply for the t2 getting their liabilities dropped. Now missioning lvl5's will be even faster.

?? With decreased damage and range, you will be missioning faster ? Really ? :D

Juding by this post and the one above, you need to try to get up to speed on what the changes involved actually are.

Missile Changes
Morning. Wake up!!!

Try reading his post again, very slowly.

Then look at the chart you linked, paying particular attention to the section on the T2 missiles (the ones that he referred to in his post).

Focus in on the damage and range column, where you will find a significant boost in damage and only a couple of very slight reductions in range.

Then consider that all missile skills and rigs will for the first time apply their affects to all missiles.

Then also consider that after this patch settles in the next step is to allow targeting computers/enhancers to also affect missiles.

Somebody else want to clue this guy in?

Okay, lets try this again.

His post was talking specifically about the T2 missiles, focus your eyes on that area.

1. +1
2. Micro Jump Drive not just going to kill small gang PVP but large too at the gates.
No more trap for enemy fleets on gate bubbles. It's a bullsh*t.
Try to catch a ship at region change gates which is 70km large and don't forget every single 0.0 entry gate is huge.
Try to catch something with scrambler when the enemy ship 70km far away from you. LOL
And more one thing Wcs+MJD+cloak=invulnerable ships.
So, MJD with this feature such a bubble and disruptor resists, it's a worst idea what CCP try to create.

Are you aware that MJD can only be fit to battleships?

Are you aware that MJD can only be fit to battleships?

Man did you you know the Fury missiles is t2 missile ?

Check the datas you idiot.

Old damage=192
New damage =182

Old Range=33750
New Range=20962.5

Old Explosion Velocity=97
New Explosion Velocity=68

This is your boost.You matematics genius,.

Someone combatprobing + suiciding a dictor to bubble a blob of battleships should be rewarded. Someone putting point on a ship (given they put more points than the ship has defence, ofc, considering stabs and +strength ships etc), should be rewarded.

He still has a point, this is making it even easier to run from combat. You know why CCP nerfed stabs back in the days? Boosted our hitpoints to begin with? Nerfed speeds etc? CCP have always, since early days, been trying to have players commit to fighting. MJD does nothing of that. It gives a tool to run, or a tool to snipe more effectively. Essentially; a way to run and/or maintain your battleships out of scramble range.

How can that possibly be good for combat in any way, whatsoever?

If you want to avoid gatecamps, there's plenty of means. Scouts, bring more numbers, titanbridge past (or on top of) them, or hell why not try this radical idea - fight them?
MJD is a joke. It might have served a purpose back in sniping battleship days, but that died out more than five years ago for a reason.

blabla

I know which shiptype will be use MJD, but i think you never saw trapped 0.0 battleship fleets on gate bubbles.
After MJD this will be gone.

If a fleet equiped with MJD jumps through a gate and appears in a bubble camp, yes they will likely activate their MJD's and attempt to leave. However this allows ample time for scram equiped frigates to point whatever they like while the drives are spooling up.

So the rest of the fleet jumps 100km and then likely jumps to another point in the system, possibly a safe... leaving behind a portion of their fleet to die in a fire.

Perhaps they cloak, perhaps the warp madly around the system, waiting for their MJD drives to become usable again. Quite a bit later, while the defenders have plenty of time to get ahead of them and set up, they finally get to go through the next gate and repeat the process of losing ships.

This module would be used as a get out of bubble free card by fleets if it didn't have the spool up and cool down timers. However their presense effectively prevents easy and frequent use of this tactic.

Again an idiotic answer, what i excepted from you.
Do you know MWD+Cloak trick when ship almost instantly reach jump speed ?
The bubble was just the only one thing, which is interfere this trick in 0.0.
Another thing, do you know what happening when a BS fleet use smartbombs against scrambler frigs ? Come and i will show you. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlZ0EcsneSg

And try to read slowly my post. :P You tried to catch with your scrambler, an enemy ship at the huge region change gates where sometimes you are 70km far away from enemy ? So you need to move to 60km with 4-5k speed you math genius. :P

"Quite a bit later, while the defenders have plenty of time to get ahead of them and set up, they finally get to go through the next gate and repeat the process of losing ships."

Hahaha. Man maybe you need to playing with Eve. The best point was for PVP the gates or static spots in solar system. When a fleet can escape from gate, they have million time to escape again. They just log off at safe and just wait some time and they will avoid the fight. With MJD this chance to catch a fight on gates will be reduce.

Repeat just for you. ""It gives a tool to run"" Fully avoid from PvP. It's a fail concept with bubble and disruptor immunity.

Just had 5 accounts expire, another one will in two days, can't really see myself reactiving them either. Will just keep a few combat pilots running for skill training.. so why do I post that as a reply to this dev blog?

Well this is about the winter expansion and ship balancing, right? Ok, let's talk about balancing:
* CCP have done a great job boosting afterburners and letting scramblers shut off mwd, while nerfing overall speed. Credit to those involved in this.
* CCP also did a good job ages ago when they fixed the overpowered dampeners, nosferatu etc, i.e. the ewar balancing. I see the changes that are being done for this expansion as an 'extention' to that. The added skills doesn't make much sense, other than to give us something to train, which is nice for us approaching 150mil SP (getting dull getting all rig skills, and useless t2 ships lv5), but - for younger pilots that is just a nuisance. And I can't really see any sense and logic in it, we had skills adding lock speed and range already, the +strength skills for the offense ewar is for offensive ewar. If that is too strong, nerf it, don't add in skills to counter it. That's just a poorly disguised time-/isk-sink.

The real issues tho, comes here:
* No considerations has been taken for the proper balancing of the "issues" with HML. Which, namely, was two folded: a) blobs. Drakes or Tengus was never too strong in small numbers, while in blobs they were, that's an issue with blobs and not the weapon type or ship itself. The Tengu got a bit too high damage with combined engineering/offensive subsystem, which still leaves all other setups (cloaky, for example) at extremely low damage output. Closer or lower than the other t3's. You going to nerf those too? At the same time, other HML ships (way more of those than the two nerfed) is getting shafted beyond belief. The Nighthawk was already bad, the Caldari cruiser and HACs was already suffering badly, and the Sacrilege etc suffers too. This is a great example of poor game balancing, not addressing the issue at hand but instead doing a blatant nerf over certain over-used shiptypes.
-> The nerf should have been to scale down the RoF bonus on Tengu's offensive subsystem (or removing the +1 launcher on engineering sub), and Drake should have had less buffer potential as that is what makes it so strong in blobs. HML should've been left the way it was.
* The ship balancing has been done on frigs and destroyers and cruisers. Only the third of those types really needed a major overhaul, the other two had it recently. What badly needs love a look at right now is t2 cruisers. HACs in particular, Recons have been quite alot weaker for years now with the increased damage/tank of players in general, solo killing a ratting Raven/Tengu/Drake in any Recon used to be common, but now it's damn hard. They all suffer from weak tank and horrible damage output, and the short warp range makes (even with max skills, obviously) a 2-300 au system a five to eight (yes, 5-8) jumps just to cross ONE system. Command Ships have needed massive love for years now, and it got worse with t3 introduction, as now the CS can barely be a fleet booster even.
* Blobs in general is a major focus for CCP, which at least for me personally (but this is obviously a personal comment, unlike the factual ones above) is massively offputting. EVE always catered everyone, and finding your own fortune and fights was always possible. Having people gather up to be stronger in numbers was always a strategy. But that was completely different when fleet sizes barely escalated past 20, or hell even past 200. But now that they easily go past 2000, and people live in upgraded sov-hubs (no belt ratting, no belt mining, jumpbridge access, titan bridges everywhere, etc) this is completely redudant. I spent hours and hours on a daily basis just to find someone to kill, getting few ones here and there. I regulary (yes, regulary) had people run from me when they were "only" 10-20 vs me and max +1 corpmate. FW is also blob hubs (and making FW emulate the nullsec behaviour is really the worst thing you can/could do, it should and could have a unique role as a smallscale part time easy-access PvP zone).

The day CCP starts to balance ships based on all kind of useage, not just blobs, and the days CCP starts to cater all players and not just the nullsec blobs and highsec carebears (let's face it CCP, the only reasonable semi-small and midscale PvP you still have in this game is in wormholes, which has it's own limitations - mainly massive time comumption compared to null- and lowsec), then perhaps you will have small- and midscale PvP players like me want to play your game again. It's been some great near-decade, and thank you but I'll keep my stuff. Who knows, maybe someone at CCP actually cares about PvP. And maybe, just maybe, I could dream, they will read this and actually think about what they're doing with the game.

+thanks to all the guys at the floor CCP, you had great staff helping me with petitions through the years, they deserve a future, give them some love.. i.e. incentitives for us PvP-interested players to reactivate our dying and dead accounts.

"Properly boosted ships don't neccessarily need to get within smart bomb range to scram."

Just something to note. logging off at a safe isn't a great idea when you have people skilled at probing.

Especially as you'll be hanging in space for 15 minutes

* No considerations has been taken for the proper balancing of the "issues" with HML. Which, namely, was two folded: a) blobs. Drakes or Tengus was never too strong in small numbers, while in blobs they were, that's an issue with blobs and not the weapon type or ship itself. The Tengu got a bit too high damage with combined engineering/offensive subsystem, which still leaves all other setups (cloaky, for example) at extremely low damage output. Closer or lower than the other t3's. You going to nerf those too? At the same time, other HML ships (way more of those than the two nerfed) is getting shafted beyond belief. The Nighthawk was already bad, the Caldari cruiser and HACs was already suffering badly, and the Sacrilege etc suffers too. This is a great example of poor game balancing, not addressing the issue at hand but instead doing a blatant nerf over certain over-used shiptypes.

Just a note for you. Not need to wait 15 minutes without global flag. Obvious thing when need to wait 15 minutes to log off.
Jump safe to safe check scanner and probers wont be catch any ship and when global flag is end, you can log off.
And you wont be hanging in space 15 minute time long, just 1 minute.

This would be after you jump into a gate camp, get shot/warp disrupted while running up your MJD (It's several seconds to go live), and pick up a 15 minute PvP flag.

Sure, you can bounce round safes till it expires, but it's somewhat more involved than just mjd, warp, log off.

Man if you got scram you cant warp out. Every pro know when can log off without give a chance to scanner.

It occurs to me that there is a new role for a long-range turret boat like the Rokh: flagger. Boost its lock time and range, separate all its guns, and hit as many targets as possible exactly once. The ships shot at pick up 15 minute PVP timers, making any logoffski trickery a minimum 15-minute commitment as the flagged ships warp around to avoid being scanned down.

Oracles or Nagas would probably do the trick, too.

That wouldn't be a direct response to the MJD, but it would answer the MJD/warp to safe/log off tactic, or any tactic that relied on logoffski to escape.

another blabla from a lame

Uhm... What!?

You really think HML nerf would be bad for Sac? Go figure.

I see you didn't read all that I posted. I can respect that, the lack of proper structuring of the post made it quite a wall of text.

FYI I havn't flown Sac with anything but HAM since the nano changes, but yeah back then it was a pure HML boat. I included it because of two reasons: a) the mentioning of ships that should and need love, i.e. HACs, and b) point out that there is more ships than Drake/Tengu that can and could use those HML's. I actually even considered mentioning Curse here too, since alot of people (me included) on and off uses HML's on those too. But I figured that'd be pulling it too far. Sac, however, have been a potential HML boat (altho **** at it lately) since the change of Khanid ships to go -> missiles (I still miss my laser Purifier, damnit!).

TL;DR read between the lines. I know it's hard. I didn't make it easier. Etc. But you should see the point now.

All missile skills, rigs and implants will now affect all subcapital missiles across the board.

OK, I just saw the list of officer drone modules and there is a huge problem with them.

Huge. Gigantic. Overwhelming.

Take for example "Unit D-34343's Modified drone damage amplifier".

The issue is Obvious. The number is decimal. Not binary. Not Hex. Decimal.

AAARRRGGGGG!!!!!

Also, any deadspace drone mods, for mission and high sec to low sec exploration?

Well we named those mods, (humans) not the drones, so of course they aren't in Hex or binary. On their side of the fence, perhaps they are named with that or something.