72% of your total posts are about Noir. Glad we are at the center of your world. <3

I second the motion of summoning the Thought Police.

as much as goblin is...well goblin, noir shooting goons and taking a contract to shoot goblin as well is pretty crappy

Funny you can't even remember what terms were set for the contract. Jamming Goons was suggested but not agreed upon. What was agreed upon was a per kill bounty. I believe the links are still in the thread if you would like to go back and fact check your own conversation.

Also, your job was to jam Goons which you didn't even attempted.

How about 5m/kill, 10m for pods? GSF only or all participating CFC forces?

-Aleks

All the CFC worth bounties.

Hi, 5M/kill is great,

Where is the proof? Here Is proof that Noir. On Tuesday said that Gevlon scammed them, after attempts to contact him had been blocked at each attempt. If you can prove that on "Saturday" or before Tuesday Noir. was calling Gevlon a scammer please provide it.

And believe me or not I did not know that it was Gevlons alt, we killed that character so many times because it was a wartarget and on grid with us.

Terminus, why arn't you following me on Twitter? #Questfor700

Yes Joseph as you can see from the mails posted from the very beginning Goblin said he would not be paying what he owed and blocking us as we tried to talk to him. This went on till Tues where we made the call this was no misunderstanding he was just breaking contract. Welcome to like a week ago...

If Gobs had a legit concern he'd have talked to me about it. If he wasnt comfortable doing that for whaetever reason he would have tried to involve the Merc Contracts Channel mods to arbitrate (which I tried to do on our end, obviously they didnt have much success bringing Goblin to the table either). That he didn't pretty much tells you all you need to know.

Terminus, why arn't you following me on Twitter? #Questfor700

Yes Joseph as you can see from the mails posted from the very beginning Goblin said he would not be paying what he owed and blocking us as we tried to talk to him. This went on till Tues where we made the call this was no misunderstanding he was just breaking contract. Welcome to like a week ago...

If Gobs had a legit concern or there was a simple misunderstanding he'd have talked to me about it. If he wasnt comfortable doing that for whaetever reason he would have tried to involve the Merc Contracts Channel mods to arbitrate (which I tried to do on our end, obviously they didnt have much success bringing Goblin to the table either). That he didn't pretty much tells you all you need to know.

I've read the entirety of the contract discussion. Several times in fact. Maybe I'm just a little slow but would you mind linking the part where Aleks explicitly says "Actually, we're not going to play ECM games, but we can kill CFC ships that have gone GCC"? I've tried to look for it or anything that might approximate to it, but its completely absent.

"Scorps and BB's are a bit pedestrian for us. Much prefer to do things with EAF and be more mobile." - http://noirmercs.com/content.php?3455-Burn-Goblin

no, their job was just to kill the CFC. as per your link.

No, their job was to ECM them, as per the link. Specifically the phrase "The plan would be to NOT be at war with Goons, forming up in Scorpions and Blackbirds and jamming out Goon Taloses and Brutixes when they go GCC, spoiling their ganks." requests the use of ECM.

Here's the bit that seems to be tripping people up: ===>THIS REQUEST WAS NEVER REJECTED <===

If I could add more emphasis, I would, possible flashing text, ideally with sirens. Aleks never rejected ECM, in fact he stated he would use EAFs instead. He never said he wouldn't exploit GCC and instead use killrights to sabotage fleets before they were even on grid with their targets.

When you fail to explicitly say "no" to such a specific request, you're inviting trouble. There isn't even an interpretation where Aleks even implied "no". So, unless there's an entirely different conversation of which I'm unaware, Aleks goofed the contract, period.

Props to at least finding the correct mail a counter offer was given. If you would be so kind as to continue reading you would see the following also;

"But we do things a little differently as you know ;p

How about 5m/kill, 10m for pods? GSF only or all participating CFC forces?

This whole debacle was fun to read about the first few days and so, but now just about everyone sounds like a broken record so could we just stop and move on to some more engaging activity.

are you sure you're reading the conversation in chronological order?

If you read the mails backwards, you might be a little confused how the conversation starts with an agreement on "kills" only to have the client babble on about ECM ships, with no resolution.

FYI: Start reading from the bottom message, it'll make much more sense.

i know which way they're meant to be read, that's why i intentionally included the timestamps in m quotes.

OK, we've established the order they're read in.

So, where did Aleks reject the plan to ECM the ships? Also, given that no ECM requires a different strategy and metric for payment, where were these etails discussed? I can't help but feel a chunk of the conversation is missing.

please, carry on and ignore your own evidence proving you wrong.

Could you at least point out why I'm wrong?

scroll up.

I think I've spotted where everything's going wrong.

"How about 5m/kill"

It seems you're interpreting this as "Pay us 5m for each Goon ship we kill". Unfortunately, the context of the conversation makes this particular interpretation pretty meaningless as I've laid out in this post.

A better interpretation is "Pay us 5m for each killmail that we ECM a GCC'd Goon" as this lines up with the context of the rest of the conversation, including the quote two sentences earlier: "Much prefer to do things with EAF and be more mobile." which, beyond any shadow of a doubt means that ECM is still in play.

When an explicit "no, we won't do it the way you requested, here's an alternative" isn't present, then all we have is an implicit message. This is a poor contract negiotation practice at the best of times. The fact that "How about 5m/kill" as an implicit "no" makes no sense in the context of the conversation means that no rejection of Gevlon's proposal is present, explicitly or otherwise.

if you've got to resort to literally making things up with "context" to justify your position, it should be obvious that you're wrong.

if he was in any doubt about the service he was purchasing then he should have clarified the terms and conditions before the event. noir. aren't mind readers, they weren't to know he was asking, and paying for service X but was instead expecting service Y.

the fact Aleks confirmed Gevlon's request

by "confirmed gevlon's request" you mean, propose a totally different deal that gevlon agreed to?