Our contract required us to fight CFC and the people shooting them at the same time. Goblin's contract was a per kill reward for each CFC ganking ship and pod we could nab. As you say, clients expect us to do the best we can. We DID kill Goons better with taking the time to shoot the handful of Lemmings that wandered into JIta after their alliance stood down because fighting GSF in tidi was "too hard." We did better vs Goons this year than last year. Our best just happened to be awesome :)

I appreciate your trolling Seraph but I think you can stop trying to float the "Gevlon hired Noir. to jam Goons after they suicide ganked" and "Noir. hired by Goons to protect them" canards. I know you're still worked up about Noir. Academy kicking you out and mad at me for having to remove you from Merc Contracts channel for various shady behaviors. I know you're a perennial embarrassment to the mercenary community, but you're not illiterate (and neither are most people as it turns out, considering the support and buisiness we've been getting since this started).

I didn't ask you to insult Lemmings for their participation in Jita. I asked if you felt that you could do either job individually better rather than both contracts together. Can you answer that question?



*tinfoil* Now we were having a nice discussion about a topic. Nobody cares about what personal laundry you wish to air out. PM me if you really need to tell me how you really feel. Spare these people.

I didn't ask you to insult Lemmings for their participation in Jita. I asked if you felt that you could do either job individually better rather than both contracts together. Can you answer that question?



*tinfoil* Now we were having a nice discussion about a topic. Nobody cares about what personal laundry you wish to air out. PM me if you really need to tell me how you really feel. Spare these people.

Wall of sperg

TLDR?

HURFDY BLURFDY BLERFDY BLERF

Woah, a touch upset. So many personal feelings don't have place in such a discussion be it Goblin calling Alek a goon pet (did he?) or other childish name calling. IMHO one cannot do 2 jobs as well as they can do 1. If i'm respectfully asking a question I don't see why people need to get personal.

You have lost all expectation of respect or civility in your dealings with Noir. a long time ago. Your question is nonsensical considering he took the contract in the first place. The question was answered way before you even asked it. If you're asking for him to give you a wrap up of the contract then I'd imagine tuning into DoW will take care of that. I know you're a syndicated journalist for the award winning website EN24 but simply asking a question does not entitle you to an answer.

I really don't think you have the slightest clue about anything concerning me and Noir, nor am I a "journalist." And continual comments regarding me personally further shows that you do not know very much. Anyway...

My point was that if someone cares, I mean truly cares about providing a quality service, they will focus on said task 100 percent. I've been in situations both long ago and very recently where I simply told a client that I wouldn't take their money for a specific request they had because it would not benefit them. Like GL said, they should of just focused
on one contract or the other. It's more about the principle of the matter than any personal feelings some individuals here may have for one another.

What a funny thing to say but its on the internet so it must be true. Are you really that stupid?




If I were CCP I'd probably being looking for a player/group of players who were actually in Iceland at fanfest 2014 and who had a grudge against Gevlon. Don't you agree Alek?

If I were CCP I'd probably being looking for a player/group of players who were actually in Iceland at fanfest 2014 and who had a grudge against Gevlon. Don't you agree Alek?

If I were CCP I'd probably being looking for a player/group of players who were actually in Iceland at fanfest 2014 and who had a grudge against Gevlon. Don't you agree Alek?

It's like you're trying to be a hypocrite, but alas I've always said just because someone is a hypocrite doesn't mean their point is automatically invalid. "Truly cares" are you selling handcrafted organic non-gmo carbon nuetral coffee and vegan pastries baked in your solar oven or are you talking about the marketplace you actually exist in? If you have chosen to base your contract models on 100% attention then bravo, you should advertise in such in your own thread. But your history has proven time and time again that you are a selfish dumbass and the more you respond the more I'm convinced you didn't learn your lesson when you were attempting to poach NA. students into your little misadventure of a corp and are simply attempting to advertise your services here.

I nearly lost it when you tried to talk about the principle of anything having to do with Gevlon. The man doesn't know what he's typing most of the time anyway so trying to derive any sort of principle from anything having to do with him is a terrible waste of time.

"I'm not a journalist" ........... I know, I ******* know.

TLDR; Advertise in your own thread Seraph

so basically everyone who attends fanfest who has two braincells and realises how much of a complete numpty gevlon is? you're not exactly shortlisting here.

Are you actually trying to excuses for the perpetrators. Shame on you Dave!

Like many others I have followed this thread for mere entertainment purposes. From what I have read in this thread I can understand the view of both sides and though I must say that I think the little Goblins might have been going a bit overboard with their reactions. But so far the disussion was (for eve standards) extremely civilised and actually brought forth valid points from both sides.
And so far as someone who has had nothing to do with either side I did not see any need to put my opinion in the ring.

However:



Defacing the eve monument in the way that happened is not only a criminal act but also a **** in the face of the eve community as a whole. Insinuating that Noir. had anything to do with it to frame gevlon without any evidence in that direction is, in my opinion, the lowest blow on the eve forums I have seen so far.
I mean, seriously? Are real life crime accusations really in order here? In a discussion of "who shot whom and was that ok?"
Giving false leads and wrongful (and wild) accusations slows down the process of actually finding the guy who did this to the monument.
If anybody knows anything that could help CCP in that matter, contact them and do not throw crime accusations around the forums please.

Its funny how when someone made a direct accusation (most definitely false) that Gevlon had something to do with it you were perfectly ok with that weren't you. No post about that. You didn't need evidence for that did you. You may wish to add something about that in your original post might you.

However I didn't insinuate Noir had anything to do with it. I pointed out the Gevlon wasn't at fanfest so couldn't have defaced the momument and the 'twitter account that looks kind of fake' is most definitely fake. Stop reading stuff like a Noir contract making stuff up that isn't there please.

You have lost all expectation of respect or civility in your dealings with Noir. a long time ago. Your question is nonsensical considering he took the contract in the first place. The question was answered way before you even asked it. If you're asking for him to give you a wrap up of the contract then I'd imagine tuning into DoW will take care of that. I know you're a syndicated journalist for the award winning website EN24 but simply asking a question does not entitle you to an answer.

If I were CCP I'd probably being looking for a player/group of players who were actually in Iceland at fanfest 2014 and who had a grudge against Gevlon. Don't you agree Alek?

However I didn't insinuate Noir had anything to do with it.

Hey Pepizaur, I read all your comments. I get your point of view I really do, and I understand you dont like gevlon. Heres a question for you though, if you were mercing and I agreed to pay you oh say lets say 10 billion isk? and for that kill I want a "carebear menace" super killed, I'll give you the co-ord and drop the cyno on it. Or maybe its a c3 wormhole, I need you to clear it. Or maybe its the plan custom offices around rens. I want rens and all the systems within 5 jumps cleaned out, I pay war decced fees plus handsome bounty and I want you to kill those pocos. I want enemy pocos dead for a 6 week period, war decs are on me. Now assume you accept that contract.

would you AT THE SAME TIME accept a contract from my enemies to repeatly pod me. to kill me and my implants. Do you think thats ok? This is a genuine question, Im not trying to be sarcastic or troll you or alex (though he keeps ignoring my question). Alex took gevlons contract then went and killed him repeatly. Alex is on those gevlon kill mails. Is this normal for mercs? do you pod yr clients if its unrelated or casually related to your contracts?


What is pandemic legions policy on this? If I floated 200 bill by grath in return for a null sec system does that only get me ratting rats but snigwaffe fleets are still cool to come and welp my carrier?

Oh and alex, Im deadly serious here, can I ask you for a contract in the future? feel free to charge me extra for the clause that says noir wont pod me. I need my +1 charisma implant of it will take forever for me to get mining connections V

I didn't get a free POCO. *tears in the eyes*

would you AT THE SAME TIME accept a contract from my enemies to repeatly pod me. to kill me and my implants. Do you think thats ok? This is a genuine question, Im not trying to be sarcastic or troll you or alex (though he keeps ignoring my question). Alex took gevlons contract then went and killed him repeatly. Alex is on those gevlon kill mails. Is this normal for mercs? do you pod yr clients if its unrelated or casually related to your contracts?


What is pandemic legions policy on this? If I floated 200 bill by grath in return for a null sec system does that only get me ratting rats but snigwaffe fleets are still cool to come and welp my carrier?

Oh and alex, Im deadly serious here, can I ask you for a contract in the future? feel free to charge me extra for the clause that says noir wont pod me. I need my +1 charisma implant of it will take forever for me to get mining connections V

:puts on the flame suit:

If you dont mind my saying it's a very academic point because Goblin did not hand us 10 billion ISK. He set out criteria within which we would earn an amount of ISK based on how much of those criteria we filled. We filled 2b ISK worth and he didn't pay that either ;p

It also assumes we know all Gevlon's alts. We didn't and probably still don't. We certainly didn't know he would be trying to PVP against Goons himself in the event. Probably something he should have mentioned so his mercs could blue the characters he would be using, have him on comms, etc.

It assumes Noir. pilots were told our employer. They never are unless that person has disclosed themselves or allowed me to disclose them. Or Door #3 which is they have broken contract with us and need to be exposed.

If you are worried about hiring Noir. and then us podding your secret alt, it is easily solved by informing us who we need to blue for your contract. Simple as that.

Also you might want to refrain from looking to Sniggwaffe for moral guidance...

Re Seraph: If you'd like to have a further discussion about the virtues of exclusively taking one contract at a time, I think Marmite Collective, Darwin's Lemmings, The Devil's Warriors, and nearly every empire merc in the Merc Contracts channel would love to talk to you about it.

EDIT: We should have had a betting pool going on how long it would take GG or one of his young boys to try to blame us for the monument thing. That the account is fake looks pretty obv to me, but GG was at FanFest according to a post in this thread. It's pointless to speculate, CCP is on it and I hope they find whoever did that and punish them to the fullest extent possible in game and out, if applicable. I'm not a big fan of Xenuria either but that's a monument to the community and people need to separate the game from RL a little bit

WOW LOL HERE IT COMES, GRATS DUDE YOU'VE CONTINUED TO ADVANCE THE PROSPECTS FOR ****** OF THE YEAR QUITE NICELY.

Yeah dude, you're just freaking dumb.