Now he says its good... after we been 360 no scope dunking nerds for the past week

The only experience i had with noir. Is when they brought a mixed fleet with carrier support into our (faction warfare) low sec space, and they got completely destroyed, I'm talking mud hole stomped. I'm talking if there was a reality called World's most one sided fights, this one would be ranked one. They lost 4 carriers and a myriad of support and combat ships. All I'm saying is i was not impressed with them greeting there **** pushed in by a ragtag loose group of fw low sec losers.

I'm just sayin.

The only experience i had with noir. Is when they brought a mixed fleet with carrier support into our (faction warfare) low sec space, and they got completely destroyed, I'm talking mud hole stomped. I'm talking if there was a reality called World's most one sided fights, this one would be ranked one. They lost 4 carriers and a myriad of support and combat ships. All I'm saying is i was not impressed with them greeting there **** pushed in by a ragtag loose group of fw low sec losers.

I'm just sayin.

I assume you're referring to the time when you had to join forces with your opposing militia (enemies) for the evening to counter the Noir. fleet with superior numbers, blobbing with little chance of losing without further escalations ?

Amazing how time can impede the memory and the version of events lol.

Yes i was there. Looked up a few of the KMs. I was in a typhoon.

Yes a 10 minute truce was called to defend our collective space from a self proclaimed merc group.

If it makes your ass hurt slightly less that two groups came together to oust some randoms that learned a hard lesson, I'm ok with that. Whatever you got to do to get over it.

The majority of Noir's contracts are 0.0, and we tend to fly light and fast during those jobs. Usually, we are hired for these sort of contracts with the specific intent of interdiction and in general, trying to cause as much damage as possible on the corp or corps that we were hired to harass. We are limited to a very select range of ships and fittings as outlined in our gang types. Alongside that, we tend to travel light in terms of supplies and ammo. More often than not, there is nowhere for us to dock and resupply due to being in hostile space.

Since we are not supposed to leave the contract area for the duration, we find ourselves logging out in space night after night. On top of this, our ammo supply tends to come from what we kill while on the job.

Capital ships, as you can imagine simply cannot operate all that well under the conditions mentioned above. So using them is a rarity for us on any standard contract. In the fight you are speaking of, we not only lost heavily, but we also shot ourselves in the foot before it even started due to crap fits on our carriers.

Worse yet, that engagement was actually our attempt at experimenting with new fleet types and training with triage carriers in order to determine if we would use them in the future. Obviously, that training didn't go all that well. ;) Alekseyev usually has no patience for outcomes such as the end of that fight, and is rather heavy handed with the BOOT when it happens during a contract.

Luckily for everybody involved, it was training, and not for contract.

Personally, I prefer sticking to cruiser logi and leaving the triage carriers at home. But that is just my opinion, and in no way the opinion of the corps members as a whole. And despite the fact that we SHOULDN'T forget about it as mentioned above, I still find myself wanting to forget the training fiasco that resulted in such heavy losses in the first place. It's easier for me to live in candy happy fluffy land and pretend it didn't happen while threatening to kidnap somebodies monkey.

That brawl was a bit back, and since then we have toyed around a bit more with the triage tactics. Still have LOTS of room for improvement though. We cannot however escape from the fact that we are a *VERY* small corp when compared to the other merc outfits in New Eden. This presents another problem in our ability to field capitals since we simply cannot field enough of them to counter the possibility of a much larger cap fleet dropping on our heads.

In our standard 0.0 fast gangs we could easily leave the field when and if a large cap fleet with support shows up. If we are in caps, then we would have no choice in the matter. All that we can do at that point is sit there, outnumbered, and getting picked apart. This is... Bad to say the least. The ISK loss is one factor, but more importantly we also lose the cargo of spiced wine, livestock and strippers that Noir. pilots keep in their cargo holds.

If anybody wants to get a better idea of our performance (to join us, or hire us), you can always take a look at our (API verified) KB and browse the past contracts. The ones below are just a few from that list.

Save Jita (We war dec'ed goonswarm for this one since it was in empire)
597 kills valued at 22.45 billion ISK - (And contrary to popular belief, only 7 of those API verified kills had Concord on them)
36 Losses valued at 2.20 billion ISK

Period Basis
588 kills valued at 41.02 billion ISK
30 losses valued at 3.38 billion ISK

CCRES Eviction
123 kills valued at 18.99 billion ISK
0 losses valued at 0

Impass
517 kills valued at 21.86 billion ISK
32 losses valued at 2.40 billion ISK

Pure Blind
432 kills valued at 22.89 billion ISK
51 losses valued at 2.90 billion ISK

And lets not forget the Alekseyev Karrde is ******* crazy contract. (Which really wasn't a contract and instead more of an Alek is ******* crazy celebratory mosh pit) In that we dec'ed the 25 largest alliances in EVE at once. Because.. Well.. Alek is ******* crazy! This included Goonswarm Federation, Test Alliance, Solar, White Noise, Brick, Raiden, Red Alliance, Pandemic Legion, Triple A, Fidelas, and the Northern Coalition to name a few.

I'm starting to think Alek might be like those crazy blue haired girls my mother always warned me about when growing up. The ones that can steal your souls when you are not looking. Well, minus the blue hair part... And the girl part. The crazy soul stealing part however still stands.

Many of our Russian friends simply referred to it as the day Noir. dec'ed EVE.

576 kills valued at 30.75 billion ISK
39 losses valued at 3.06 billion ISK

I'm not even in Noir. Alt posting aside I recall the story as it was during the last CSM elections. Kind of comical that I called you out and you now change your tune, and in doing so admit to blobbing with those that are normally enemies to ensure victory. You are awesome. Pro sauce leet pvp for sure.

Didn't know they made a T3 version of Damage Control Module.

btw what happened with BL?

Matari Jihad!

Same for any of you?

It's the "&" in the link that doesn't get parsed correctly by the forum re-director thingamajig.

You sound mad.

Pull your **** out of you're personality far enough for your balls to show, post on your main, and then maybe, just maybe I'll take your asinine ravings seriously enough to give a real response.

Not to put you down much but you are beneath me taking the time to post on my main.

Just saying

IT HAPPEN A YEAR AGO

Translation: Noir got booted out of BL because of alek's huge ego couldn't actually deliver anything beside an imagined sense of importance.

Havent been active in the last 6 months or so. I find it funny that I'm the only player in eve to take a break.

Are you at least continuing to train your skills?

Yes. I hit 100 million sp last month. Thanks for your concern.

Good luck to Noir. in ATXI.

Noir. and Sound should really concider merging.

(You guys could call yourselves Black Noise.)

Custom: FAILED Logistics Support

Never have iv seen a WAR target with that much logistic, Noir. deffently lived up to our WTs needs, job well done and bloody good fight. Facing that much "neutral" logistics serious supprised us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P98ZlzsjOc
Noir. at work

Other than RBWH, Noir. was the best time I had in EVE :)

Best Mercs in the game, hands down. Though I could be biassed ;)

Read before you hire : http://greedygoblin.blogspot.nl/2014/04/money-talks.html

Having two conflicting contracts running.

Breaking the confidence of one by discussing their contract with the clients enemy.

Podding their client for fun.

Trying extort money for a really **** poor job.

[...] here is some guy in Noir version of events.

Alekseyev Karrde, is that one dude still wearing his cloak?

Yes you are right Joseph

'No details of the contract were forwarded to the original contractor, nor was the name ever given. '
Wierd the goons knew all about it. I think you must have some goons spies in your organisation or you blabbed. Whatever!

'Podding their client for fun. '
'Not our fault ' - I know. However I would have thought blowing up your client would be bad for business. Oh wait you want paying for that?

'Trying extort money for a really **** poor job. '
'I look forward to the coming weeks. See you on the battlefield. Or maybe not. Up to you guys.' - So not trying to extort money from a dissatistisfied client.

'Not our fault that Goblin has an alt in Lemmings after he said he was cutting ties with them. '
So why would I be seeing you if the Lemmings have nothing to do with Gevlon?

First, you stated that you asked the first contract if this was alright with them, I'm assuming that is because you saw that it could be a conflict of interest

you would assume wrong

Our main BJ contract explicity had us attacking Goons during suicide ganks. I just did a quick courtesy check for a repeat client to make sure going after the Goons more aggressively (as Goblin wanted) wouldn't bother him. It didn't, he seemed pretty enthused about it actually.

Goblin's initial offer for an ECM jamming contract was declined (I'd never have accepted such a pointless contract because I understand suicide ganking mechanics from having fought CFC in Jita twice before). The counter offer of 2m/catalyst, 5m Brutix, 10m Talos, and 20% the value of the pods was accepted. This is clearly seen in the mails. Unless you're implying Goblin wanted us to jam pods to death?

EDIT: Gevlon Goblin has taken to blocking my responses to comment questions on that blog post. Should say it all really.

I'll accept a bounty contract on Goon suicide gankers but Scorps and BB's are a bit pedestrian for us. Much prefer to do things with EAF and be more mobile. But we do things a little differently as you know ;p

Full quote:



As in ways that work. Attempting to jam a target after it's already fired in a .9 is pointless, especially Tornados/Talos/Brutix. Using AF/Interceptor teams to hit them at their safe spots you lower their ability to get setup and their max alpha.

You're also fast enough to follow them around allowing you to trigger kill rights before they shoot further reducing their damage and ability to coordinate fire.

And finally using inties you have a much higher chance of chasing and catching their pods after the gank which adds massively to the cost of the gank (Catalysts are 2m and given out for free, pods cost 20, 30, even 40m to replace and come out of the pilots wallet)

Goons started suicide ganking our frigate fleets to keep us off them. They left Gevlon's Orca untouched throughout the whole event. Lemmings didnt try to ECM anything. So out of those three methods, the one which caused Goons to change their strategy and spend resources to stop, the one which they ignored, and the one you're talking about which even your own alliance didnt use, which one do you think works best?

Again, 1900 dead CFC. 25B worth. Pew.

http://noirmercs.com/content.php?3455-Burn-Goblin

The full story, complete with mail dumps from Goblin. You scam mercs you dont get privacy, you get the sunlight.

Also confirmed I am some guy in Noir.

Clearly the contracts were not conflicting. If you want exclusive service you put that in your contract and you pay for it.

Entity A says, shoot B for us would ya? Entity C says, shoot A pretty please.

Only entity here I see that could argue conflict would be A, which it seems in this case was OK with it. Turned out C just didn't like B getting shot and never chose to mention that part prior to dealings.

Just my take from reading both sides. Either way, BJ3 was a ton o fun.

I had to switch to an alt to ecm as some mercs were shooting lemmings so I WAS ecming quite well thank you.
Also were there three contracts because on your podcast at about the 38th minute you state the you had a contract to shoot the guys shooting goons. So doesn't that make three contracts?
1.The 'main' one shooting goons.
2.Gevlons contract
3.and the one 'shooting the guys' shooting goonswarm contract (38 min on the podcast).

Minute 38 of the podcast
Two contracts
1. Shoot Goons
2. Shoot guys shooting goons
You can't see a conflict?

When NMG is hired to do a job, whatever that job may be, there are parameters. Those parameters differ with every contract. One time it may be that we're only allowed to count any kills made within a certain area. Maybe we're only able to count kills from a certain organization, or maybe we're simply hired to make life for the occupants as difficult as possible. To even have a hope of accomplishing any of these parameters, there is a ton of planning, coordination, and effort involved. The logistics of moving an entire alliance every few weeks to accomplish drastically different goals each time is not something to be taken for granted. Once the "boots hit the ground", the work hasn't just begun - it's simply one step in the process, and one of the last step, I might add. At the end of the contract, the true test of a mercenary's worth is how pleased the employer is.

I recommend working for Goblin if you want increasingly inventive reasons why he won't pay you once you're done.

Yes. I so don't want to pay you 2B that I rather pay 20B to get your titan killed. I definitely just want to keep my money here.
Maybe you should ask your spiritual leader how to respond.

Oh wait, you can't, Ripard got him banned.

I recommend working for Goblin if you want increasingly inventive reasons why he won't pay you once you're done.

You poor thing Joseph. Reading comprehension lvl 1 is not a long train. I highly recommend it.

Has Scamming Lvl5 always been required for Noir memembership or is it just a new thing?

Has Scamming Lvl5 always been required for Noir memembership or is it just a new thing?

How do you scam someone who refused to pay you?

How do you scam someone who refused to pay you?

I mean, it's fairly obvious that at best Goblin has a "not satisfactory" complaint. It looks a lot more like "Goblin tried to scam Noir, got caught and is now kicking up a smokescreen".

The reality of this claim is irrelevant

They scammed me therefore I refused to pay them. Honestly, I thought that when I post their actions, they claim "misunderstandings", apologize and I never see them again. Instead they demanded their "payment" and issued threats. Hence: titan bounty.

I wanted to hit Goons as hard as possible during Burn Jita. I considered jamming covered by Noir. I considered small-gang PvP covered as even I could beat Goons in small gang PvP despite it was literally the first day I attacked a ship that could shoot back.

Both considerations were false because of the lies of Noir. They didn't jam any Goons and they were the small-gang PvP squad of Goons. This significantly decreased my results in Burn Jita, actually I ended up worse by hiring Noir than I would if they never existed, while formally they were my mercs.

Also, if we had scamming trained to lvl 5 we would have taken the money BEFORE "scamming" him. News flash, we didn't scam him and he's just being upset about it. Either way, no one cares. Gevlon can try to find our Titan but anyone who bothers will just be wasting their time.

Everyone who is spectating, eating their buttery popcorn, and wearing their ugly 3D glasses will enjoy the show. The best is still to come ;)

Futune, from my own point of view as someone who is not only not affiliated with NOIR, but has traded ammo with them on another character on numerous occasions...

How on earth do you think public opinion is against them? What basis do you have for that? And did you actually read the evemail transcripts that got posted?

Dunno about the public at large, but as a player entirely uninvolved in any of this and who does not care about Goons, Gevlon etc, and having read both sides of the story, I think it reflects very badly on Noir. I'd never hire mercs who are known to take on conflicting jobs and play not-screwing-you-over-was-not-in-the-contract afterwards.

Merc 101:
1) you don't work for both sides, ever.
2) see rule 1
3) reputation is everything

[quote=Kaarous Aldurald]I'd never hire mercs who are known to take on conflicting jobs

A quote from Noir's site:


I am so pleased with the honesty, straightforwardness and proficiency of Noir during our Burn Jita contract that I just placed 20B bounty (about 10x more than these fine mercenaries want from me) on their titan. EVE-O post about the bounty comes when Chribba (or other trusted third party) verifies my deposit of the 20B.

I fully recommend hiring Noir if you consider it OK to

• Disclose your contract with the target
• Ask the permission of the target to take it
• Officially allying with the target (using the in-game ally join in war feature)
• Kill your own alt trying to do the job, saving a target in deep armor
• Not doing any harm to the target, just whoring on Concord kills with 1-2% damage, just as the target approved

But maybe the quote has a honest mistype and should read "the true test of a mercenary's worth is how pleased the target is". This case they are the most awesome mercs in EVE since Powers (Goon leader in Burn Jita, Goons were the contract target) is praising and defending their conduct on every forum like he was their lawyer.


Edit: to save you the time commenting: YES, I'M MAD!!!

Don't really know whether all this happened due to poor communication or intentional misunderstandings.

In real life there are multiple occasions where the customer asks for something, but in reality wants something else.
Now if they go to court they will look at the contract and see that the customer wanted A and got A, clear case.

However an old saying is that an unhappy customer will tell about his experience to 10 people, a happy customer will tell about his experience to one person.

In real life, (eve may differ?) it's not about following or not following the contract, it's about making customers happy.
Edit: And yes, sometimes making the customer happy requires almost psychic skills....

Nor should you, but as you'll notice neither Goblin nor his supporters can articulate what the conflicting jobs were without A. Inventing a third contract which involved protecting Goonswarm during the event and for which our 25b in CFC kills was a smokescreen or B. Overlooking the fact Goblin withheld important information from us about his involvement with other groups and withheld his expectation we would work with the group we did not know he was still leading

It's important to remember when hiring Noir. or any other merc that they're often only as familiar with your cause, coalition, or plans as you make them. It's considered unreasonable to expect them to "just know" where you have alts, who your blues are, whether those blues know to work with you or if they will shoot you, and if you've got other operations or deals going on.

They scammed me therefore I refused to pay them. Honestly, I thought that when I post their actions, they claim "misunderstandings", apologize and I never see them again. Instead they demanded their "payment" and issued threats. Hence: titan bounty.

I

Noir. :
- revealed the contract too (never, ever do that, even if the customer did it first) ;
- made a shady deal with the target (allying against Lemmings, really ? there is no excuse) ;
I am too lazy (and I don't give much of a ****, too) to check the KBs, if there was good faith running the contract or not.

I'm throwing virtual poo at both of you.

[quote=Gevlon Goblin] In addition to that the were hired completely separately by goons to shoot groups that were shooting them. Prior to accepting your contract, they checked with goons if it would be OK for them to shoot goons too

The contract with that individual specified we were to shoot Goons after they went GCC for ganks. He was checked with more or less like this: "Someone's offering isk for every Goon killed during Burn Jita. You mind if we attack them before/after ganks too so we can try get some of that?"

-We didn't reveal the contract till

-We didn't make any deals with the target(s).

I would agree with you 1000% Reppy if either of those things were the case. I've been in the biz over 8 years, I know what not to do.

-We didn't reveal the contract till Goblin went off the handle declaring he would not pay and blocking (literally in game, not allowed to contact him at all) any attempt to discuss the issue. At that point he's a scammer not a customer and is being treated accordingly
-We didn't make any deals with the target(s).

I would agree with you 1000% Reppy if either of those things were the case. I've been in the biz over 8 years, I know what not to do.

You should check the kb ;) In good faith to both clients we put CFC through hell.

Nice freighter kill on your killboard
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38430399/

and funny how you include Gevlon as part of the CFC?
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38423392/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38426611/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38426617/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38437902/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38440467/

Yea great job!

This is not about the letter of the contract. That is irrelevant as we have no legal system to try it in. This is about public perception and professional courtesy. To the public, there is no doubt that you knew what the Goblin thought he was buying, and yet you did not inform him that this was not what you intended to deliver.

The reality of this claim is irrelevant, the cat is out of the bag, and the public is now worried that you might try to somehow screw them over on a technicality. "You hired us to defend the pos when it came out of reinforce, and we did defend it by destroying the attacking fleet, but you didn't include a clause saying that we couldn't also shoot the pos!" and variations.

The fact that public opinion is with the Goblin, one of the least popular people in Eve, in this matter should be a huge warning sign. You need to approach this not as a contractual disagreement but a PR disaster. The extortion attempt did not improve things, to the public this looks like an admission of guilt.

I know this is none of my business, but I like your brand, and I recently pointed a new player that wanted to become a merc towards your academy. Don't mess this up please.

During our last contract with Galvon, he was VERY, EXTREMELY, AMAZINGLY Specific on what he did and did not want us to do. Who was blue, who to fleet with, how to take the screenshots he wanted, how many POCOs to hit a day, when to attack, when not to attack. Why would we not expect the same this time around?

So if one unhinged pubbie has a problem with the services he received since NOIR. was established in 2008 does that negate all their work? I think not. It is the duty of capsuleers everywhere, high, low and null to ignore this idiot.

That Freighter went suspect looting a wreck, who would NOT shoot a suspect freighter? Additionally, notice there are no goons on that kill mail. To the best of my knowledge, there was no arrangement made to only shoot goons.

TBH we did not even know that was Gevlon's alt. Again, to my knowledge, there was no stipulation on not attacking anyone else other then the goons. What we knew was that Gevlon cut his ties from "leading" Lemmings quite a while ago and that they should be treated as any other merc group.

Every other contract we are instructed on who is friendly, who to group with, what to not do, ect. Why should this one be different? I think the problem is a lot of people see Gevlon as still being the leader of the Lemmings, we do not. We see them as just another "mercenary" group.

During our last contract with Galvon, he was VERY, EXTREMELY, AMAZINGLY Specific on what he did and did not want us to do. Who was blue, who to fleet with, how to take the screenshots he wanted, how many POCOs to hit a day, when to attack, when not to attack. Why would we not expect the same this time around?

To shoot ones employer once is a misfortune
To shoot him twice looks like carelessness
To shoot him a third time is a bit stupid
To shoot him a fourth times is .....
To shoot him five times is ......


and then to want paying for shooting him :)

Didn't know he was his association with the Lemminings????
Didn't know he didn't want you working for the cfc forces?????

Mail sent to Alekseyev Karrde
''
???
From: Gevlon Goblin
Sent: 2014.04.25 11:31
To: Alekseyev Karrde,

Hi,

War: Darwins Lemmings vs. Goonswarm Federation
War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goonswarm Federation

I see you in both of the wars as ally to the Goons.
What the hell is going on? We were negotiating a contract against Goons. I thought such double-crossing clients is bad for business. I really hope it was just an act of a rogue director.
''

Received Friday 25th, before Jita really got started. Before you repeatedly targeted his 'Goblin' character.

Also you seem pretty clear linking the his blog saying you knew he'd distanced himself from the Lemmings and yet completely ignored the 50+ posts mentioning his alt Botslayer Goblin???? Missed his post about him wanted to use ecm to thwart the cfc, but that is in the contact mails he sent.

You also seem to ignore the fact that on the podcast Alek 'lied' saying the neither client had a problem with the conflict of interest.

The important timestamp is the one where Gevlon decided to cut off communication from us. By the time I had learned that was his alt, this had already occurred. At that point, who would not shoot a valid war target, as well as, someone who is refusing to pay for his contract?

We were NOT working with CFC forces. We never grouped with them or shared intel with them. We actively hunted them, probing their safe spots, killing their pods at planets after their ganks, ect. We really worked a lot harder to kill the goons then any of the war targets. For the most part, we only attacked war targets when we ran into them, which was while we were pursuing the goons.

The important timestamp is the one where Gevlon decided to cut off communication from us.

Actually your thinking of the one he sent a day later.

But the point is even though you knew the client was very unhappy you continued on regardless even though your client expressed serious concern at pretty much the beginning of burn jita. Why did you do that?

'At that point, who would not shoot a valid war target, as well as, someone who is refusing to pay for his contract?'
So just to clarify you knew you were shooting Gevlon then dispite the earlier denials?

-We didn't reveal the contract till Goblin went off the handle declaring he would not pay and blocking (literally in game, not allowed to contact him at all) any attempt to discuss the issue. At that point he's a scammer not a customer and is being treated accordingly
-We didn't make any deals with the target(s).

I would agree with you 1000% Reppy if either of those things were the case. I've been in the biz over 8 years, I know what not to do.

You should check the kb ;) In good faith to both clients we put CFC through hell.

Because you are mercenaries you should know better than to take 2 conflicting contracts and revealing client information.

It's really about showing that you care about the service you provide. All you are saying is "we do what we do and we don't care how our clients feel."

I cared a lot about how Gevlon felt until his last words before blocking me was that he was going to scam out my alliance. At that point he's no longer an employer, he's a contract breaker.

Good faith efforts to contact Goblin even after that he has either ignored or openly mocked on his blog.

If anything Noir. has gone above and beyond the call to be patient with Goblin and try to bring him to the table to talk it out. At this point, though, I'm growing increasingly convinced he was negotiating out of bad faith to begin with.

Good faith efforts to contact Goblin even after that he has either ignored or openly mocked on his blog.

At the end of the day no ***** were given. Agree or disagree, things are being perceived differently by everyone. Both sides feel slighted and a bunch of random people stating that they won't hire us in the future won't change anything. Guess what? You guys werent going to hire use anyways so it doesnt matter. In fact, we're still fulfilling contracts even after this "incident". All involviing happy clients.

Noir has been completing contracts for years and it will continue to complete contracts.

I'll just leave this here.

At the end of the day no ***** were given. Agree or disagree, things are being perceived differently by everyone. Both sides feel slighted and a bunch of random people stating that they won't hire us in the future won't change anything. Guess what? You guys werent going to hire use anyways so it doesnt matter. In fact, we're still fulfilling contracts even after this "incident". All involviing happy clients.

Noir has been completing contracts for years and it will continue to complete contracts.

I'll just leave this here.

You made zero good faith efforts, not just in communications attempts to me, but neither you did any since it got out and even Redditors and EN24 commenters (both hate me like the plague) is on my side.

A "good faith effort" would have been "dude, we screwed it up royally, how could we make it right?". Instead you sent me mails and convos demanding payment and parroting that you completed the contract because of "look this word can be understood as X". These are either attempts to close a scam or harvesting tears.

If you wouldn't be a scammer, there would be a huge apology post on noirmercs.com instead of blaming me to scam you out of some pocket change that I'd pay 10x more if you'd done honest work to me during Burn Jita. You know, "ruin the day of the Goons", "ECM".

Hint: if the Catalyst was on 95% shields when Concord blapped it, the day of the Goonie may not have been ruined.

I am still confused how there is supposed to be a "backlash" by "the majority of players" or whatever, if it's mostly a handful of people affiliated with, or outright pets of Gevlon posting against Noir.

I'd just call that a smear campaign, speaking as an observer. And a rather half assed one at that.

I am still confused how there is supposed to be a "backlash" by "the majority of players" or whatever, if it's mostly a handful of people affiliated with, or outright pets of Gevlon posting against Noir.

I'd just call that a smear campaign, speaking as an observer. And a rather half assed one at that.

TLDR:

Gevlon hires Noir to shoot Goons.
Noir shoots Gevlon while he is shooting goons. 4 ships, 1 pod.

Noir is ok with this.

Let all future employers of Noir beware

Jokes on you Goblin. Our Titan pilot is on vacation in Micronesia for 3 months.

Your smear campaign is hilarious. Army of Alts pushing any sensible content pages back.

/bear poke

Why are you defending Noir though?

I'm not. I'm not affiliated with them, aside from intermittent hostilities on another character.

This just seems like "doth protest too much" on Goblin's part. Especially with the "20 billion isk spite bounty". Looks like a smokescreen to me.

What can I say about NOIR.

Consistent, intelligent, trustworthy.

Just a great continuation of an already solid relationship.

+1 would hire again.

Saying they are trustworthy is going a bit far isn't it when they look at their clients contract and think to themselves how can we screw our client. Just because your enemies didn't want to pay Noir to attack your allies or that you had the good foresight to include a non aggression clause in your contract for for allies (which I'm sure there grateful for btw) doesn't make Noir trustworthy.

'+1 would hire again.' - Its like playing Russian roulette isn't it :)

My post was in reference to a contract completely separate from an issue that I don't give a f*ck about.

Please continue with your tears though.

[quote=Michele Bachmann]
No your post was about butt kissing Noir.
Please 'give a f*ck about' issues that question the trustworthiness of someone when you give a recommendation. You may say Joseph your full of sh*t Noir was scammed by Gevlon and they are totally trustworthy but at least give a f*ck. Ok

'Please continue with your tears though.' - Thank for your permission although it is not required. You can borrow my hanky if you want.

No your post was about butt kissing Noir.
Please 'give a f*ck about' issues that question the trustworthiness of someone when you give a recommendation. You may say Joseph your full of sh*t Noir was scammed by Gevlon and they are totally trustworthy but at least give a f*ck. Ok

'Please continue with your tears though.' - Thank for your permission although it is not required. You can borrow my hanky if you want.

So you would follow someone who would do this?

His post was feedback on recent work that is documented on our killboard. His opinion of us is no less important than yours.

What can I say about NOIR.

Consistent, intelligent, trustworthy.

Just a great continuation of an already solid relationship.

+1 would hire again.

Considering Michele is a pleased employer from a job since Goblin's smear campaign started and Joseph is in the pet alliance of the guy that broke contract with us and started said smear to cover his bad behaviour:

I'm gonna make the bold claim and say his opinion is a *bit* more important.

Fascinating, how you try to avoid the issue, at least Fayral admitted that it could have been handled better and +1 to him for that.

Actually its irrelevant, the question is all about your relationship with certain entities in the game, when a client has a potential contract against the Goons, especially a contract touching upon Goons and their status/propaganda, they have to question the level of trust that they can expect from your alliance in carrying out the contract, especially if they are generally despised by the in-crowd. As the Obsidian Front is not CFC aligned and not one of the illuminati, or a CSM / ex-CSM, there was no chance of you being untrustworthy in any shape or form.

And that is the thought process people will have to use when judging whether you can be trusted or not, get it?

Nope, don't get it

EDIT:

Let me say it another way. You can, of course, choose to believe that our recent contract against CFC, Marmite, some 10 man corp i cant remember the name of, and Darwin's Lemmings during Burn JIta 3 was just an elaborate cover for Noir. being secret Goons. I suppose the same logic could extend to the other three contracts linked above, and probably the other 250 odd ones we've done. I can't imagine what such an elaborate 8 year long effort to establish a cover like that would hope to accomplish but I'm sure you can. Or perhaps you only doubt our trustworthiness because I've been elected to the CSM twice, which is, as we all know, a front for recruiting and training GoonWaffe sleeper agents to infiltrate the EVE community at the highest levels of power.

If such conspiracy theories are your want, it is OK to not hire us. For everyone else, there's NMG.

Also I think you dismiss FAILD and FRONT's connections to the New World Order a bit too quickly. I have this FRAPS showing a meeting between Airric and Ynot in the shadows of the Lincoln Monument. Just for a few frames, AIrrc's Megathron reveals its lizard scales before shape shifting back and after their whispered conversation is over Ynot boards a black helicopter which landed on a secret helipad behind Lincoln's head.

Check it out at EVEinfowars.com; if you can't find it, it's probably because the shadow CSM took it down.