OK, let's try this way. Here is my new post. The most relevant part:

the Noir-me contract failure and its community response becomes free of malice (and full of dumbness instead). Noir are PvP-ers. As soon as I became a partner, I became a "prank mark". They negotiated with the goal of outsmarting me, expecting "kudos" and not tears like Erotica 1 and the real scammers do. If I was a fellow PvP-er, I would have realized that they were smarter than me and deserve respect for being able to do two opposing contracts, not breaching the letter of either. Instead, I called them various lowly things and denied them rewards, strike that, forced their prized titan to not log in for 3 months. In their opinion, this was a very bad sport and I betrayed our connection by not taking defeat "as a man", but going after them.

When I became their partner, I viewed them as teammates working for a common goal, for mutual benefit. I negotiated casually, expecting them to work for me, just like I work for them by being generous with payments (Marmites+Lemmings get from me the price of a supercarrier every month). If they were fellow PvE-ers, they would have done the best possible job for the "kudos" and rewards. When they did not do it, I saw them as traitors. Their unexpected community disaster came from the fact that most people - and all prospective clients - are PvE players, seeing the things as I did. It hit them by surprise, because in their PvP-er echo chamber everyone saw things the same way they did.

But equally you need to specify exactly what you want done so you protect yourself from this sort of thing. Had you specified, Alek could not have done what he did without a boot from the merc contracts channel. Like this he can always say "you didn't specify" even if common sense to most people involved.

So the Marmite Collective has an active war against Northern Coalition dot which is pretty much public enemy #1 for GOON. According to your reasoning you are currently being scammed by Marmite since they are actively helping GOON by shooting Ncdot.

So again, this boils down to your failure to understand mercenaries. You offered them a payment per kill, and nothing more. It's ludicrous to think that means they are joining "your side", they have a job to do and that's all. Mercs do not take sides.

I know you have a paplink to click, but this isn't helping them. All clients expect the mercs to be on their side during the contract. A merc who does not, is a merc without clients.

My problem is that I couldn't imagine the need of speciflying such things.

Alek, Own up to your mistake, show you can be proffessional and stop waving arround your handbag.

You never publicise private conversations with your clients. If something is the least bit unclear; clear it up before charging in arse first. And keep your dirty laundry indoors.

Lucas, stop being purposely obtuse, you are smarter than this. Anyhow, I don't think you get pap for trolling forums but you aren't interested in pap. Why your interest for HISEC mercs and their dealings? Don't have to reply here since this is Noir's thread about getting contracts (be they conflicts of interests or not)

Mercs are Mercs and don't take sides you say? In the last bit of bloodshed in the middle east, the US employed quite a lot of mercs. Are you saying it would have been perfectly fine for those hired guns to attack US Soldiers or obstruct US military ops if some goatherder paid the for the pleasure?

As long as Gob continues to pretend we/I was "out to get him from the beginning" there's really no point in continuing to talk about any of it tbh.

Gob scammed, Gob got caught. Gob tried to smear his victim to get away with it, Gob got caught. Gob thought it wouldn't have consequences, Noir. took away 4 months of his life.

We've been transparent throughout the entire process, defending against Goblin's accusations with raw info including his own words. His own blogging admits that he owes us money but he refuses to pay it because of an increasingly elaborate set of excuses ranging from "they were protecting Goons" to "Alek is Erotica 1." We have tried contacting him multiple times to negotiate with him including involving the Merc Contract channel mods to arbitrate and inviting Gevlon on Declarations of War (as well as Legacy of a Capsuleer or EVE Radio to be released shortly) all of which he has ignored or declined.

From our POV it's over. Nothing will change Goblin's mind, we've already inflicted an appropriate penalty for his actions, and he doesn't seem to care about repairing his reputation. I doubt anyone will kill our titan any time soon and if they did, I strongly doubt it will be because of Goblin's "bounty" since the whole incident spawned out of him refusing to pay bounties in the first place. He and his readers/pets can continue to bleat but the story is pretty much played out and I expect anyone who cares about it has made up their mind one way or the other how to interpret events.

As we've said, if you think and behave like Goblin did/does we are as uninterested in having you as a client as you are hiring us.

They say confession is good for the soul.

i find this highly amusing since your character's avatar is a soulless ginger.

That's one of the worst apologies I have ever seen.
They say confession is good for the soul. Give it a go

I am a mittani alt!

It was probably the worst apology because it wasn't one.

Found video of Goblin and Joe. EXPECT THEM

EDIT: Also, Ginger Martin Luther King

Mate, gingers have souls OK?!!111

The short answer is we would not take that contract against you. We don't accept concurrent contracts from current targets nor contracts against our current employer, nor do contracts for so little isk.

You clearly missed the part where Gevlon publicly announced that he was no longer tied to Lemmings. Then again, I wouldn't expect anything less from someone afraid to post with their main.

the fact that alek cant figure out lemmings and goblin are tied shows how far the incompetence runs

so noir DOES see an issue with what they did, they are just playing the ignorance card

Pray tell, Lucas; How do you know a private contract between Gevlon and a merc group in so much detail?

D.

Well you see, after Gevlon's refusal to pay, the details of the contract were made public. Gevlon then confirmed that it was genuine. So like that really.

By the way, you seem to brown nose Gevlon and his pets quite a bit for a member of a group that he's targeting. Spai!

Haha, see and that is EXACTLY where Noir lost all credibility.
By the way, for a member of our coalition, you do seem to meddle a lot in hisec scrublord's affairs.

To be honest though it's a waste of my time back and forthing with you. It's not like anything will change, and it's clear that you must be the smartest, greatest, bestest guy in all the world, and nothing anyone else says means a damn thing because you are always right, yeah? I think I'll just be the bigger man, walk away and leave you to to your hisec merc white knighting.

Oh and just FYI, healthy arguments and debates usually involve both sides learning from each other You'll figure that out when you start to grow up. When you so fixed on your position that every apsect of what you say must be more correct than anyone else then you learn nothing.

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