-We didn't reveal the contract till Goblin went off the handle declaring he would not pay and blocking (literally in game, not allowed to contact him at all) any attempt to discuss the issue. At that point he's a scammer not a customer and is being treated accordingly
-We didn't make any deals with the target(s).

I would agree with you 1000% Reppy if either of those things were the case. I've been in the biz over 8 years, I know what not to do.

You should check the kb ;) In good faith to both clients we put CFC through hell.

Nice freighter kill on your killboard
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38430399/

and funny how you include Gevlon as part of the CFC?
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38423392/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38426611/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38426617/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38437902/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38440467/

Yea great job!

This is not about the letter of the contract. That is irrelevant as we have no legal system to try it in. This is about public perception and professional courtesy. To the public, there is no doubt that you knew what the Goblin thought he was buying, and yet you did not inform him that this was not what you intended to deliver.

The reality of this claim is irrelevant, the cat is out of the bag, and the public is now worried that you might try to somehow screw them over on a technicality. "You hired us to defend the pos when it came out of reinforce, and we did defend it by destroying the attacking fleet, but you didn't include a clause saying that we couldn't also shoot the pos!" and variations.

The fact that public opinion is with the Goblin, one of the least popular people in Eve, in this matter should be a huge warning sign. You need to approach this not as a contractual disagreement but a PR disaster. The extortion attempt did not improve things, to the public this looks like an admission of guilt.

I know this is none of my business, but I like your brand, and I recently pointed a new player that wanted to become a merc towards your academy. Don't mess this up please.

During our last contract with Galvon, he was VERY, EXTREMELY, AMAZINGLY Specific on what he did and did not want us to do. Who was blue, who to fleet with, how to take the screenshots he wanted, how many POCOs to hit a day, when to attack, when not to attack. Why would we not expect the same this time around?

So if one unhinged pubbie has a problem with the services he received since NOIR. was established in 2008 does that negate all their work? I think not. It is the duty of capsuleers everywhere, high, low and null to ignore this idiot.

That Freighter went suspect looting a wreck, who would NOT shoot a suspect freighter? Additionally, notice there are no goons on that kill mail. To the best of my knowledge, there was no arrangement made to only shoot goons.

TBH we did not even know that was Gevlon's alt. Again, to my knowledge, there was no stipulation on not attacking anyone else other then the goons. What we knew was that Gevlon cut his ties from "leading" Lemmings quite a while ago and that they should be treated as any other merc group.

Every other contract we are instructed on who is friendly, who to group with, what to not do, ect. Why should this one be different? I think the problem is a lot of people see Gevlon as still being the leader of the Lemmings, we do not. We see them as just another "mercenary" group.

During our last contract with Galvon, he was VERY, EXTREMELY, AMAZINGLY Specific on what he did and did not want us to do. Who was blue, who to fleet with, how to take the screenshots he wanted, how many POCOs to hit a day, when to attack, when not to attack. Why would we not expect the same this time around?

To shoot ones employer once is a misfortune
To shoot him twice looks like carelessness
To shoot him a third time is a bit stupid
To shoot him a fourth times is .....
To shoot him five times is ......


and then to want paying for shooting him :)

Didn't know he was his association with the Lemminings????
Didn't know he didn't want you working for the cfc forces?????

Mail sent to Alekseyev Karrde
''
???
From: Gevlon Goblin
Sent: 2014.04.25 11:31
To: Alekseyev Karrde,

Hi,

War: Darwins Lemmings vs. Goonswarm Federation
War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goonswarm Federation

I see you in both of the wars as ally to the Goons.
What the hell is going on? We were negotiating a contract against Goons. I thought such double-crossing clients is bad for business. I really hope it was just an act of a rogue director.
''

Received Friday 25th, before Jita really got started. Before you repeatedly targeted his 'Goblin' character.

Also you seem pretty clear linking the his blog saying you knew he'd distanced himself from the Lemmings and yet completely ignored the 50+ posts mentioning his alt Botslayer Goblin???? Missed his post about him wanted to use ecm to thwart the cfc, but that is in the contact mails he sent.

You also seem to ignore the fact that on the podcast Alek 'lied' saying the neither client had a problem with the conflict of interest.

The important timestamp is the one where Gevlon decided to cut off communication from us. By the time I had learned that was his alt, this had already occurred. At that point, who would not shoot a valid war target, as well as, someone who is refusing to pay for his contract?

We were NOT working with CFC forces. We never grouped with them or shared intel with them. We actively hunted them, probing their safe spots, killing their pods at planets after their ganks, ect. We really worked a lot harder to kill the goons then any of the war targets. For the most part, we only attacked war targets when we ran into them, which was while we were pursuing the goons.

The important timestamp is the one where Gevlon decided to cut off communication from us.

Actually your thinking of the one he sent a day later.

But the point is even though you knew the client was very unhappy you continued on regardless even though your client expressed serious concern at pretty much the beginning of burn jita. Why did you do that?

'At that point, who would not shoot a valid war target, as well as, someone who is refusing to pay for his contract?'
So just to clarify you knew you were shooting Gevlon then dispite the earlier denials?

-We didn't reveal the contract till Goblin went off the handle declaring he would not pay and blocking (literally in game, not allowed to contact him at all) any attempt to discuss the issue. At that point he's a scammer not a customer and is being treated accordingly
-We didn't make any deals with the target(s).

I would agree with you 1000% Reppy if either of those things were the case. I've been in the biz over 8 years, I know what not to do.

You should check the kb ;) In good faith to both clients we put CFC through hell.

Because you are mercenaries you should know better than to take 2 conflicting contracts and revealing client information.

It's really about showing that you care about the service you provide. All you are saying is "we do what we do and we don't care how our clients feel."

I cared a lot about how Gevlon felt until his last words before blocking me was that he was going to scam out my alliance. At that point he's no longer an employer, he's a contract breaker.

Good faith efforts to contact Goblin even after that he has either ignored or openly mocked on his blog.

If anything Noir. has gone above and beyond the call to be patient with Goblin and try to bring him to the table to talk it out. At this point, though, I'm growing increasingly convinced he was negotiating out of bad faith to begin with.

Good faith efforts to contact Goblin even after that he has either ignored or openly mocked on his blog.

At the end of the day no ***** were given. Agree or disagree, things are being perceived differently by everyone. Both sides feel slighted and a bunch of random people stating that they won't hire us in the future won't change anything. Guess what? You guys werent going to hire use anyways so it doesnt matter. In fact, we're still fulfilling contracts even after this "incident". All involviing happy clients.

Noir has been completing contracts for years and it will continue to complete contracts.

I'll just leave this here.

At the end of the day no ***** were given. Agree or disagree, things are being perceived differently by everyone. Both sides feel slighted and a bunch of random people stating that they won't hire us in the future won't change anything. Guess what? You guys werent going to hire use anyways so it doesnt matter. In fact, we're still fulfilling contracts even after this "incident". All involviing happy clients.

Noir has been completing contracts for years and it will continue to complete contracts.

I'll just leave this here.

You made zero good faith efforts, not just in communications attempts to me, but neither you did any since it got out and even Redditors and EN24 commenters (both hate me like the plague) is on my side.

A "good faith effort" would have been "dude, we screwed it up royally, how could we make it right?". Instead you sent me mails and convos demanding payment and parroting that you completed the contract because of "look this word can be understood as X". These are either attempts to close a scam or harvesting tears.

If you wouldn't be a scammer, there would be a huge apology post on noirmercs.com instead of blaming me to scam you out of some pocket change that I'd pay 10x more if you'd done honest work to me during Burn Jita. You know, "ruin the day of the Goons", "ECM".

Hint: if the Catalyst was on 95% shields when Concord blapped it, the day of the Goonie may not have been ruined.